Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Good idea. Hahah. Anyway, there's not so many ashrams left. Let's see, Muktananda, rip, Yogananda, rip, Maharishi, might as well be rip, Prahupada, rip, Rajaneesh (who I respect BTW-I always assumed that everyone thought the rolls royces were a joke, as in, when is enough enough. I still can't believe that people thought he was serious. That's really dense.) rip. Those whould be my audience, that is, the people who felt ripped and disenchanted. They would get the irony of worshipping a human as god only to have god ask them to trim their Bush. - Original Message - From: vashtirama To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Have you ever considered traveling around to ashrams doing stand-up comedy?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> You can still feel> tremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, and> forgive his shortcomings if that's what they are.> > > ---Not to mention that his name will be erased from your mind by next reincarnation anyway.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Have you ever considered traveling around to ashrams doing stand-up comedy? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can still feel > tremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, and > forgive his shortcomings if that's what they are. > > > ---Not to mention that his name will be erased from your mind by next reincarnation anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax > > > returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the > > final > > > pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > The "loss" you are referring to was not a loss except on paper. > > Hartnett gave stock in the privately-held Globalink to Maharishi > > Global Development, and assigned an arbitrary and absurdly large > > value to that stock (since it was not a publicly-traded stock, he > > could assign any value to it). When Globalink went out of business > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html , MGD could no longer list > > the stock, and so the paper showed a minus figure for that year, but > > it was not a real loss any more than it was a real gain at any time, > > and since non-profits don't pay federal tax, it had no impact one way > > or the other. > > Thanks for that info, Bob - clears that up. > Could MDG use the paper value of that stock as some kind of collateral > for borrowing other money? > > JohnY *** It would be hard to imagine any lender falling for a ploy like that, so I doubt it. Banks usually want real collateral or other guarantees, and neither inflated stock nor raams are going to cut it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax > > returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the > final > > pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) > > > > JohnY > > > > The "loss" you are referring to was not a loss except on paper. > Hartnett gave stock in the privately-held Globalink to Maharishi > Global Development, and assigned an arbitrary and absurdly large > value to that stock (since it was not a publicly-traded stock, he > could assign any value to it). When Globalink went out of business > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html , MGD could no longer list > the stock, and so the paper showed a minus figure for that year, but > it was not a real loss any more than it was a real gain at any time, > and since non-profits don't pay federal tax, it had no impact one way > or the other. Thanks for that info, Bob - clears that up. Could MDG use the paper value of that stock as some kind of collateral for borrowing other money? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax > returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final > pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) > > JohnY The "loss" you are referring to was not a loss except on paper. Hartnett gave stock in the privately-held Globalink to Maharishi Global Development, and assigned an arbitrary and absurdly large value to that stock (since it was not a publicly-traded stock, he could assign any value to it). When Globalink went out of business http://geocities.com/bbrigante/big.html , MGD could no longer list the stock, and so the paper showed a minus figure for that year, but it was not a real loss any more than it was a real gain at any time, and since non-profits don't pay federal tax, it had no impact one way or the other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, I thought you were in Scotland. Just about to leave. gonna install myself as raja. no wimpy beige robes, fake gold crowns and pathetic new age mall stores -- I'm plan on being in full braveheart get up with plans to reenliven natural law via "soma pubs" featuring sexy wenches serving only the finest single malts. hoping rudrajoe will come over and handle the grub. > on 5/2/05 1:55 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax > >> returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final > >> pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) > >> > >> JohnY > > > > where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Hey, I thought you were in Scotland. on 5/2/05 1:55 PM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax >> returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final >> pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) >> >> JohnY > > where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? http://www.guidestar.org/ Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax > returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final > pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) > > JohnY where are the tax returns posted? which entity is it?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Yeah, got it. This is just what I personally went through and observed when considering whether to become a TM teacher or not. I chose not to, seeing early on that I couldn't exist comfortably in the TMO for very long. For those apparently understanding Maharishi and divining his thinking on a cosmic level, perhaps it all looks different. I must admit I have never completely understood him. Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 2, 2005, at 2:12 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > > > So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an > > encouragement to evolve maximally. > > Time for a TMO 12-step group guys (if one hasn't already been > created). > > I gotta tell you, that last post scared me. > > Don't drink the cool aid! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On May 2, 2005, at 2:12 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an > encouragement to evolve maximally. Time for a TMO 12-step group guys (if one hasn't already been created). I gotta tell you, that last post scared me. Don't drink the cool aid! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I recall Maharishi saying at some point that he could enlighten one > person very quickly or the entire world with some time, more slowly. > > Given that the conventional arrangement on Earth is to have space- > time locality with one's Master in order to evolve quickly, and > given that Maharishi can only meet with a finite group at any one > time, and given that he has a lot to do, his time with any one > follower will be limited. So... > > It appears from my semi-rediculous perspective that Maharishi has > set the bar very, very high for his followers, given the time he has > with each of them (according to the above convention). > > Imagine if you will being in a car, traveling along. Suddenly the > car stops, for exactly one minute. You get out. At the same time > another car stops. Out pops Maharishi, for exactly one minute. > > You say, "What can I do Master to gain my Enlightenment?". He > provides you with the most concentrated directions he can give you > in 60 seconds to achieve that. > > You immediately think, "That's impossible! But he is my Guru so I > will try to achieve this task..." > > Given your and the world's state of consciousness you will probably > fail this immediate task. "MMY, that [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!! blankety-blank!", > you > think. However eventually after failing once or several times, you > are actually accomplishing the following: > > 1. Burning up karma, by following the Master, > 2. Bringing Light into the darkeness, personally and globally, > 3. Becoming acutely aware of your weaknesses, > 4. Practicing spiritual integration; evaluating Maharishi's way in > terms of your own, and > 5. Learning what true devotion to one's Master is. > > So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an > encouragement to evolve maximally. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > (which reminds me of a great joke which was performed by a Governor > immediately following TM, or Siddhis, I forget which...Anyway, we > would be silently concluding program and this fellow would sometimes > say, as we anticipated the devotional and pious "Jai Guru > Dev", "Jai...Edgar Hoover...". Please excuse me, but it was > hilarious!) > > Jim > I don't know, Jim. It sounds like a very complicated way to excuse bad behavior to me. Could be true but is certainly in the 'unfathomable' catagory. JohnY > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing > > that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the > > innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. I > > thought that it was important not to use other peoples ignorance or > > lack of knowledge against them. > > > > JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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To your point Alex, I recall Maharishi discussing how impressions on the nervous system (and subsequent attachment) are made as consciousness grows more refined: initially rock scratching rock, leaving a deep hard impression taking some time to erode, gives way to stick through sand, leaving a deep impression that is more easily eroded, gives way to stick through water, transient impression, almost instant 'erosion'. Gotta love it. Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We just have a lot of concepts regarding > > who can and who can not be awake. > > Rigidly defined dogmas of non-duality, wielded relentlessly on FFL in > order to create neat'n'tidy divisions. Gotta love it. > > Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
I consider myself a tantric. That to me means that I take no prisoners of my ignorance. It's kill or be killed. I consider myself a 'stream enterer' which is to say that having had the glimpse of the direction I feel I know the way. I need noone to tell me anything more. That doesn't mean I'm 'enlightened' per se, but just that I know beyond doubt what 'it' is. That's fairly useless info for you. But very useful for me, as I have seen all my goals change. It also means that my words are compelling if often senseless. Because I say the same thing over and over and over, but just in different ways. Simply, it's all God, it's all divine, there's no yesterday was this, and tomorrow is that. It all simply is, perfect. Of course, not being fully awake this comes and goes. But being a tantric I can make out the light even in the dark, the perfect even in the imperfect, I can find the Goddess literally within my mate during sex, and also within myself. It means I am Shiva even when I take a shit. It means I can say I am Mahakali and not feel wrong about it, because you are Shiva and Mahakali too. I see no contradictions anywhere, because real contradictions destroy each other and cease. I also see that this wont change tomorrow or the next day, because my mind has been permanently ruined beyond repair, and neither jail, nor torture nor the psyche ward could change that reality for me. Because I burned all my bridges to there and then and there's no return to some other place of 'normality.' There's nowhere to go for me but more here. As awakening grows I find it more incredible that people still run around pursuing the most nefarious ends. If it would stop war I would offer my head in a second. In fact I would relish the chance to make such a change. It's not humility but understanding. The understanding that no matter where you are there you are. If one had to wait to be divine then in the present human state such a reality could never come about because people like to pick their noses, they like to eat meat, they like to fondle little kids weenies. People are fucked up. Luckily no such things really matter for the divine, because it's all divine. No. Such things only matter for the lords of karma. One hopes that when the mirror of god is face to face with one then they won't be squeezing little kids weenies. Because awakening while in the midst of negativity can be very hellish. Yes, the more awareness brought to hellish conditions the more hellish they feel. Best to clear out the hells first. But if they can't be cleared then intention to do so is very important. Lack intention to help and you sink. That's really bad if you're awakened. The worst thing imaginable would be to be fully realized and then sink to the bottom. That can only happen through lack of intention to benefit. The only chance to make things better comes from realization that we are here because we are on the level. Waiting for someone someday to come and save one is foolish, or so said Buddha, who I respect and admire. He died because he didn't want to hurt the feelings of the man who had only rotten pork stew to give him. He ate it, and buried the rest so others wouldn't, and a week later he died. In other lives he gave his arm to a starving tiger, and once killed some robbers to save them from killing a boat load of people, thus saving them from their own evil nature and saving the others from that evil nature. The intention to benefit is what there is. Chagdud Tulku said, that Atisha said, that of the Buddha's 84,000 methods for acheiving the transition from ordinary to extraordinary mind that they come down to the essential point of good heartedness. Now some people just don't have that - the Jeffrey Dahmers of the world. But that neededn't change our hearts. Before desiring liberation one should desire a good heart. If that's there then all else will follow, because the divine is already. Now grab a mirror and do your beard or hair, because there is nothing to fear, and you're already here. If this is a style then let it be called a tantric style. I thank whoever coined that phrase. I dedicate it all to better days. - Original Message ----- From: anonymousff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi oh ok, I see now.for the records the other day someone noted that you write in a tantric style, but I guess it was just a tease on his part. anyway I thought that such style really exists and that I'm not familiar with it, I believed it to be some non-linear writing and it was interesting to someone who is spiritually challenged as I am.anyway this is where my comment came from
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
I recall Maharishi saying at some point that he could enlighten one person very quickly or the entire world with some time, more slowly. Given that the conventional arrangement on Earth is to have space- time locality with one's Master in order to evolve quickly, and given that Maharishi can only meet with a finite group at any one time, and given that he has a lot to do, his time with any one follower will be limited. So... It appears from my semi-rediculous perspective that Maharishi has set the bar very, very high for his followers, given the time he has with each of them (according to the above convention). Imagine if you will being in a car, traveling along. Suddenly the car stops, for exactly one minute. You get out. At the same time another car stops. Out pops Maharishi, for exactly one minute. You say, "What can I do Master to gain my Enlightenment?". He provides you with the most concentrated directions he can give you in 60 seconds to achieve that. You immediately think, "That's impossible! But he is my Guru so I will try to achieve this task..." Given your and the world's state of consciousness you will probably fail this immediate task. "MMY, that [EMAIL PROTECTED]&!! blankety-blank!", you think. However eventually after failing once or several times, you are actually accomplishing the following: 1. Burning up karma, by following the Master, 2. Bringing Light into the darkeness, personally and globally, 3. Becoming acutely aware of your weaknesses, 4. Practicing spiritual integration; evaluating Maharishi's way in terms of your own, and 5. Learning what true devotion to one's Master is. So what appears as Maharishi abusing the devotee is actually an encouragement to evolve maximally. Jai Guru Dev, (which reminds me of a great joke which was performed by a Governor immediately following TM, or Siddhis, I forget which...Anyway, we would be silently concluding program and this fellow would sometimes say, as we anticipated the devotional and pious "Jai Guru Dev", "Jai...Edgar Hoover...". Please excuse me, but it was hilarious!) Jim --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing > that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the > innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. I > thought that it was important not to use other peoples ignorance or > lack of knowledge against them. > > JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JohnY wrote: > > > > I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing > > that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the > > innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. > > Please elaborate; I don't see how devotional impulses > in TM teachers have been used against them. > > Thanks. Sure - On the surface: The Recert Courses (last squeeze for $$ among the only folks that will still give...) Rick's recounting of the Spanish judge and the suitcase of cash. All the property schemes - rev 'em up to buy property, buying based on promise of support, let 'em sink, take over property - sell - profit! All the fundraising: Zimmerman, Kaplan et al. $$ for world peace in whatever flavor, plan flops, money goes elsewhere Pundits, yagyas, vibration, NRI remote pandits - gee it all falls under using one's ignorance against them. (not to mention the women...) I'm beginning to wonder if the $336 million loss (see posted tax returns) is motivating this last extraction of funds before the final pullout to India and points east (naw, that's too conspiratorial) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We just have a lot of concepts regarding > who can and who can not be awake. Rigidly defined dogmas of non-duality, wielded relentlessly on FFL in order to create neat'n'tidy divisions. Gotta love it. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
JohnY wrote: > > I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing > that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the > innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. Please elaborate; I don't see how devotional impulses in TM teachers have been used against them. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a key point. Whatever mistakes M may have made in his personal or > managerial life don't invalidate the benefits of TM. Conversely, the > effectiveness of TM doesn't necessarily imply that M is faultless. > > ---I think we could all forgive Maharishi any sort of wrong except that what we really don't much like is the hubris. If he was humble in the slightest that weakness would be near and dear. How often do gurus apologize for their shortcomings? Same as for American presidents. Tthat tact was taken however by the most cherished of all presidents - Kennedy - and it earned him great kudos in popularity. But only the truely great are so sure of themselves that they can afford to be seen as human without losing self respect. Or so humble as to take the chance on the people that they are supposedly serving. To be trusted one must trust. Otherwise who is one fooling really? I've always thought that the most disturbing or hope crushing thing that Maharishi has done it to take the devotional impulse (and the innocent desire to help) of teachers and use it against them. I thought that it was important not to use other peoples ignorance or lack of knowledge against them. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
oh ok, I see now. for the records the other day someone noted that you write in a tantric style, but I guess it was just a tease on his part. anyway I thought that such style really exists and that I'm not familiar with it, I believed it to be some non-linear writing and it was interesting to someone who is spiritually challenged as I am. anyway this is where my comment came from, and Thanks for clearing it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using. > did you make it up or such thing exist? > > > ---Not sure I get your meaning. I write. Because it feels good and as most of the arts they come out of the poor trying to lift up the mud and give it shape. Emulating Promethius I guess. Thanks. I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <> > The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. Never thought about the "crushing of hope" - very interesting angle. And the notion of 'control' points out the high strangeness that is felt when the witness is clear and all else seems to go on just as it did before - zits and all. (But there isn't so much anger at the car!) (VBG) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using.did you make it up or such thing exist?---Not sure I get your meaning. I write. Because it feels good and as most of the arts they come out of the poor trying to lift up the mud and give it shape. Emulating Promethius I guess. Thanks. I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. Heheh No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride for us all. Couldnt figure out what the hell you were talking about. ---Really? Is the post still there? I would be curious to reread it. Thanks for noting the difference. I feel better finally. The first days had cravings but as of today I'm ok. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/2/05 11:22 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are > > just not coming anymore. Heheh > > No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember > about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride > for us all. Couldn¹t figure out what the hell you were talking about. RJ, could you elaborate on the tantric writing style you were/sre using. did you make it up or such thing exist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/2/05 11:22 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. Heheh No, they are. I mean it. I think abstinence is good for you. I remember about a year ago you were on mushrooms one day and it was a pretty wild ride for us all. Couldn’t figure out what the hell you were talking about. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now what would a dope smoking, alcohol swilling, > onion > munching chef from New Orleans know about > enlightenment? ;-) > -Peter > > ---I know that I can make you savour the six tastes > more than your average movement syncophanticook. But > you're right, I would probably just add to your > vasanas. Oh, I don't think so RJ.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Oh, ok. Yeah, haven't smoked in a week. Guess the real deep connections are just not coming anymore. heheh. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/2/05 7:49 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand it's said that the guru is a mold for the mind and so it's very important to choose the right mold because if not then the mind becomes imprinted and one starts making that type of karma, which will have far reaching consequences. The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. Kirk, are you still abstaining from grass? I think your posts have been much more clear and insightful lately. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
This is a key point. Whatever mistakes M may have made in his personal ormanagerial life don't invalidate the benefits of TM. Conversely, theeffectiveness of TM doesn't necessarily imply that M is faultless.---I think we could all forgive Maharishi any sort of wrong except that what we really don't much like is the hubris. If he was humble in the slightest that weakness would be near and dear. How often do gurus apologize for their shortcomings? Same as for American presidents. Tthat tact was taken however by the most cherished of all presidents - Kennedy - and it earned him great kudos in popularity. But only the truely great are so sure of themselves that they can afford to be seen as human without losing self respect. Or so humble as to take the chance on the people that they are supposedly serving. To be trusted one must trust. Otherwise who is one fooling really? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Now what would a dope smoking, alcohol swilling, onionmunching chef from New Orleans know aboutenlightenment? ;-)-Peter---I know that I can make you savour the six tastes more than your average movement syncophanticook. But you're right, I would probably just add to your vasanas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Bob Brigante wrote: > > > This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my > lifetime is not "disillusioning" -- because the cycle of epochs of > high and low consciousness are natural phenomena, just like the sun > being seen in various positions in the sky and not at all -- and > there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am > completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that > he has restated, and because I understand the difficulty of promoting > enlightenment in a world that is in the grip of darkness. Sooner or > later, everybody gets tired of the suffering attendant on not living > one's natural state of bliss consciousness, and seeks enlightenment, > so there is no reason to get disillusioned with anything -- people > have complete freedom of action, and they choose at what level of > life they want to live. When they get tired of the low-life, and they > will, they will seek that which is of real value, bliss > consciousness, maybe now or maybe 1000 centuries from now. > Very well said! Don To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/2/05 10:46 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Yeah me neither, I am not paid to think; only to not know :-) > > Hey, who's paying you? Can I get in on that gig? *lol* You just did. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/2/05 10:46 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 5/2/05 10:32 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> Do you think he saw a difference between himself and Jennifer, or > Judith? >> Maybe not. I really don't know. > > Yeah me neither, I am not paid to think; only to not know :-) Hey, who's paying you? Can I get in on that gig? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/2/05 10:32 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Do you think he saw a difference between himself and Jennifer, or Judith? > Maybe not. I really don't know. Yeah me neither, I am not paid to think; only to not know :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/2/05 10:32 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 5/2/05 6:43 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> No. it just appears to be. It is more likely that he is > disillusioned with >> himself. > > Ah, you think he sees a difference? So I guess maybe you do too? > Sounds interesting; I almost wish I could :-) Do you think he saw a difference between himself and Jennifer, or Judith? Maybe not. I really don't know. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/2/05 6:43 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > No. it just appears to be. It is more likely that he is disillusioned with > himself. Ah, you think he sees a difference? So I guess maybe you do too? Sounds interesting; I almost wish I could :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/2/05 7:49 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand it's said that the guru is a mold for the mind and so it's very important to choose the right mold because if not then the mind becomes imprinted and one starts making that type of karma, which will have far reaching consequences. The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. Kirk, are you still abstaining from grass? I think your posts have been much more clear and insightful lately. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/2/05 6:43 AM, Rory Goff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Not to say that everyone has to become >> disillusioned with his guru in order to "graduate". Maharishi > certainly >> didn't. > > Do we know this to be true...? :-D No. it just appears to be. It is more likely that he is disillusioned with himself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 11:41 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > > MMY is a great saint, but even if you don't think so, you should > recall what MMY said when people complained about the behavior of TM > teachers: "Even a sick man can open a health food store." TM is a > mechanical technique that does require any particular qualities of > heart and mind on the part of the practitioner or the teacher (maybe > a TM teacher would have to have an IQ of 60 or above, that's > necessary for memorizing the checking notes, unless they were also > autistic, in which case great feats of memorization are possible). A > TM teacher memorizes a few simple instructions, and imparts them. > That is the beauty of TM, the mechanical means to enlightenment, the > only type available to people when they live at a low level of life. > Questions about personal characteristics of anybody imparting a > mechanical technique are a smoke screen for ignorant people who are > uncomfortable with values of enlightenment. This is a key point. Whatever mistakes M may have made in his personal or managerial life don't invalidate the benefits of TM. Conversely, the effectiveness of TM doesn't necessarily imply that M is faultless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > no difference other than on the level of > personality. We just have a lot of concepts > regarding > who can and who can not be awake. > -Peter > > Sure, and when one realizes this in themself > also then of what use are those others? They become > rather comedic. Now what would a dope smoking, alcohol swilling, onion munching chef from New Orleans know about enlightenment? ;-) -Peter __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
no difference other than on the level ofpersonality. We just have a lot of concepts regardingwho can and who can not be awake. -Peter Sure, and when one realizes this in themself also then of what use are those others? They become rather comedic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On the other hand it's said that the guru is a mold for the mind and so it's very important to choose the right mold because if not then the mind becomes imprinted and one starts making that type of karma, which will have far reaching consequences. The traditional reason that God has not been sold is that that prevents the poor from buying and therefore crushes hope. To develop this attitute that all that's needed is the high bid to participate further pushes people down, it also further reinforces the egoic notion of control of life. Command the laws of nature. Why, when you cannot command even your wife or kids, or get your car to turn over on a cold morning. What is there to command actually? Ones owndamnself is all. And one can't even command that. One gets zits, one feels angry, one agonizes over details, one comes out of samadhi on thoughts. - Original Message - From: Rory Goff To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> > That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your> conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions.Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the teacher/god/Self as embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly nonjudgementally embrace ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On May 2, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Peter Sutphen wrote: > Any mental story, satvic or tamasic, is just horse > shit. We hold onto stories because it gives the mind a > sense of control. What would happen if we let go of > all our stories? Probably we'd explode like those > toads I read about! Observe how (or if) nature supports a person. I think the question "Is nature supporting Mahesh and his actions?" is a good one. The aforementioned criteria on bondage are worthy of note and will not generally be found in realizers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > That's not the point which I felt you might find > > disillusioning. > > It's your > > > conception of MMY which might be in for some > > disturbing revisions. > > > > Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the > > teacher/god/Self as > > embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly > > nonjudgementally embrace > > ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-) > > Exactly. We need to let go of all these judgemental > mind traps. This doesn't mean we then ignore our > experience or distress when we hear these things about > MMY. Just let the experience burnout the mental > constructand behave accordingly in relationship to > MMY and the TMO. We need to be free of these > constructs that say how something should or should not > be. It's actually just another strategy of the mind to > remain in control. Sneaky little bastard! > -Peter Yes, exactly -- in no way am I advocating "acceptance" as a form of enablement, of ignoring or suppressing or rationalizing the feelings and thus falling into deeper denial and conformity. This would be pure tamas. :-) Nor am I advocating that one "lash out" while addicted to the anger, as this too is simply a subtler form of denying the feelings, attempting to escape them; this is remaining in the grip of rajas. Rather simply we nonjudgementally accept the feelings inside ourself, let our attention on them perform its alchemy as we are stripped of all our certainties and beliefs to stand free in the Now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Any mental story, satvic or tamasic, is just horse shit. We hold onto stories because it gives the mind a sense of control. What would happen if we let go of all our stories? Probably we'd explode like those toads I read about! -Peter --- Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there > in the Bible, Bob. > Sal > > > On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > > > What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do > with "faith." The > > facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Not to say that everyone has to become > > disillusioned with his guru in order to > "graduate". Maharishi > certainly > > didn't. > > Do we know this to be true...? :-D Who would we be without this (Rick's) thought?.. Just empty, clear and present. Is that true? I don't know. Perhaps our insistence that our spiritual teachers come in a particular "box" creates all sorts of suffering for us. They come exactly as they do. When it is time to be with them, we're with them. When it is time to leave, we leave. No biggy. It's only the mind that creates these melodramas. -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rory Goff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > That's not the point which I felt you might find > disillusioning. > It's your > > conception of MMY which might be in for some > disturbing revisions. > > Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the > teacher/god/Self as > embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly > nonjudgementally embrace > ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-) Exactly. We need to let go of all these judgemental mind traps. This doesn't mean we then ignore our experience or distress when we hear these things about MMY. Just let the experience burnout the mental constructand behave accordingly in relationship to MMY and the TMO. We need to be free of these constructs that say how something should or should not be. It's actually just another strategy of the mind to remain in control. Sneaky little bastard! -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: snip > > Is the correlation really as tight as you assume? > Could TM be as great as it > is yet MMY have a few screws loose? That's the amazing thing: MMY is actually greater than any assumption a mind could have and he has more than a few screws loose. Any point value can awaken to the infinite value. Being with MMY so long and now being with Punditji for over a decade, it has become quite clear that the only difference between MMY and Punditji is their personalities. Brahman is "the same" in both. Both are fully awake. Guru Dev, MMY, Punditjino difference other than on the level of personality. We just have a lot of concepts regarding who can and who can not be awake. -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your > conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions. Yes, beautiful point. Until we come to see the teacher/god/Self as embracing ALL of it, we truly cannot truly nonjudgementally embrace ALL of it in ourselves, or so it appeared to me :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to say that everyone has to become > disillusioned with his guru in order to "graduate". Maharishi certainly > didn't. Do we know this to be true...? :-D To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On May 1, 2005, at 11:28 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > Guru Dev sent MMY to > enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may > have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully > accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission. Where is your evidence to support this erroneous conclusion? Both as a Shankaracharya, but specifically as a leader of the dandi sannyasis and as a dandi himself, this does not ring true on several levels. The dandis and the Shankaracharyas represent a conservative movement. For one of them to break tradition, i.e. sending a non-Brahmin on a "divinely-mandated mission" is absurd in the extreme. Furthermore there is no evidence that "TM" has anything to do with Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, let alone the Shankaracharya tradition. It is also alleged that Sw. Brahamananda specifically told Mahesh NOT to teach. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
You can still feeltremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, andforgive his shortcomings if that's what they are.---Not to mention that his name will be erased from your mind by next reincarnation anyway. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi Im enjoying these comments, Kirk. We gotta save this Brigante boy. If this jelly jar is calling you sticky even in jest then he needs his lid screwed a bit tighter. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/1/05 11:09 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > * > > > > There's just no possibility that you are going to get what I am > > saying, because you are in the grip of factors that do not allow the > > blossoming of bliss consciousness, > > Then why do I experience so much bliss? Maybe you are just living up to the Kaliyuga saying "ignorance is bliss." > > > > This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my > > lifetime is not "disillusioning" > > That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your > conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions. > It's you, with your endless idiotic gossip about MMY's supposed inappropriate personal life, who is hung up on a conception of MMY. I, like millions of other meditators who have been fortunate enough to continue practicing TM, am basing my confidence in Vedic knowledge, of which TM is the core technology. There is no conception of MMY that interferes with my practice of TM and my appreciation of Vedic wisdom (and nothing MMY says contradicts what I have read in many thousands of pages of Vedic lit). > > -- and > > there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am > > completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that > > he has restated, > > Is the correlation really as tight as you assume? Could TM be as great as it > is yet MMY have a few screws loose? * MMY is a great saint, and people who are foolish enough to insult him are headed for a lower embodiment (I'll throw you a dog biscuit if you don't try to hump my leg): Vasistha: "They who...treat such holy men disrespectfully, surely invite great suffering." p. 34, http://tinyurl.com/6xndt MMY is a great saint, but even if you don't think so, you should recall what MMY said when people complained about the behavior of TM teachers: "Even a sick man can open a health food store." TM is a mechanical technique that does require any particular qualities of heart and mind on the part of the practitioner or the teacher (maybe a TM teacher would have to have an IQ of 60 or above, that's necessary for memorizing the checking notes, unless they were also autistic, in which case great feats of memorization are possible). A TM teacher memorizes a few simple instructions, and imparts them. That is the beauty of TM, the mechanical means to enlightenment, the only type available to people when they live at a low level of life. Questions about personal characteristics of anybody imparting a mechanical technique are a smoke screen for ignorant people who are uncomfortable with values of enlightenment. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 11:09 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * > > There's just no possibility that you are going to get what I am > saying, because you are in the grip of factors that do not allow the > blossoming of bliss consciousness, Then why do I experience so much bliss? > > This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my > lifetime is not "disillusioning" That's not the point which I felt you might find disillusioning. It's your conception of MMY which might be in for some disturbing revisions. > -- and > there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am > completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that > he has restated, Is the correlation really as tight as you assume? Could TM be as great as it is yet MMY have a few screws loose? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > * > > > > I've seen MMY stumble walking down stairs, and certainly stuff like > > appearances at the Beach Boys concert (to give a TM lecture in front > > of kids who were waiting to hear the Boys perform) is a mistake, but > > these are merely tactical errors. The life-supporting influence of > > MMY is always right, and the big picture, the strategy, of the TM > > movement is right. > > > > Some of MMY observations are meant to be encouraging to ignorant > > people, like one tells a child trying to learn to ride a bike, not > > intended as holy writ. Recently MMY said at a press conference that > > it could take hundreds of centuries before the pundits made India > > Vedic. Frank talk like this may be discouraging to people, so he > > usually says things that predict quick success -- being truthful > > means being life-supporting. There is the old story of a sage sitting > > at a crossroads when an obviously distressed man runs by -- in a few > > moments, some bandits who were chasing the victim appeared and asked > > which way their mark went. The sage sent them down the wrong road. > > This was not factually true, but it was true to the life- supporting > > values that wise men follow, so it was true. Guru Dev sent MMY to > > enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may > > have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully > > accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission. > > Bob, I sincerely find your faith admirable and at times, touching. I really > mean that. Sometimes you say things that take the wind out of the sails of > my on-going dialog with you. I hope that if you ever do become at all > disillusioned with Maharishi, it doesn't hurt you too much. I hope you find, > as JohnY expressed earlier, that "it removes some subtle conflict, and > lightens (your) heart." That's been my experience. Rather than bringing me > down, it has made me feel more free. Ultimately, one has to stand on one's > own two feet and not rely on another person or external source for > inspiration or upliftment. Not to say that everyone has to become > disillusioned with his guru in order to "graduate". Maharishi certainly > didn't. But if it happens, it's not the end of the world. You can still feel > tremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, and > forgive his shortcomings if that's what they are. * There's just no possibility that you are going to get what I am saying, because you are in the grip of factors that do not allow the blossoming of bliss consciousness, but for the sake of other readers who still have an interest: At one hour and 30 minutes into the 23Mar2005 press conference at mou.org, Maharishi says that it may take centuries for the pundits to restore Vedic civilization in India: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Mar/wnews_23mar2005prt1_128 (the following week MMY said it may be "hundreds of centuries.") This possibility that the TM movement will not be successful in my lifetime is not "disillusioning" -- because the cycle of epochs of high and low consciousness are natural phenomena, just like the sun being seen in various positions in the sky and not at all -- and there's no possibility of disillusionment with MMY, because I am completely satisfied with my practice of TM and the Vedic wisdom that he has restated, and because I understand the difficulty of promoting enlightenment in a world that is in the grip of darkness. Sooner or later, everybody gets tired of the suffering attendant on not living one's natural state of bliss consciousness, and seeks enlightenment, so there is no reason to get disillusioned with anything -- people have complete freedom of action, and they choose at what level of life they want to live. When they get tired of the low-life, and they will, they will seek that which is of real value, bliss consciousness, maybe now or maybe 1000 centuries from now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 10:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > * > > I've seen MMY stumble walking down stairs, and certainly stuff like > appearances at the Beach Boys concert (to give a TM lecture in front > of kids who were waiting to hear the Boys perform) is a mistake, but > these are merely tactical errors. The life-supporting influence of > MMY is always right, and the big picture, the strategy, of the TM > movement is right. > > Some of MMY observations are meant to be encouraging to ignorant > people, like one tells a child trying to learn to ride a bike, not > intended as holy writ. Recently MMY said at a press conference that > it could take hundreds of centuries before the pundits made India > Vedic. Frank talk like this may be discouraging to people, so he > usually says things that predict quick success -- being truthful > means being life-supporting. There is the old story of a sage sitting > at a crossroads when an obviously distressed man runs by -- in a few > moments, some bandits who were chasing the victim appeared and asked > which way their mark went. The sage sent them down the wrong road. > This was not factually true, but it was true to the life-supporting > values that wise men follow, so it was true. Guru Dev sent MMY to > enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may > have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully > accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission. Bob, I sincerely find your faith admirable and at times, touching. I really mean that. Sometimes you say things that take the wind out of the sails of my on-going dialog with you. I hope that if you ever do become at all disillusioned with Maharishi, it doesn't hurt you too much. I hope you find, as JohnY expressed earlier, that "it removes some subtle conflict, and lightens (your) heart." That's been my experience. Rather than bringing me down, it has made me feel more free. Ultimately, one has to stand on one's own two feet and not rely on another person or external source for inspiration or upliftment. Not to say that everyone has to become disillusioned with his guru in order to "graduate". Maharishi certainly didn't. But if it happens, it's not the end of the world. You can still feel tremendous gratitude toward him for all the blessings he brought you, and forgive his shortcomings if that's what they are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 10:31 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> There's a tautology for you. You linked me back to the message to > which I >> just responded. > > * > > No, I linked to the reply which I made to the message to which you > responded. I haven't called you an idiot for a few days, so let me > remind you what a moron you are. Thanks. That's the problem with being a moron. You're memory isn't very good so you keep slipping into the false assumption that you know something. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience of > 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the > little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop, > and I can proceed through the crosswalk. > > > > Don't be coming to New Orleans. They just put crosswalks here to get federal funds. Nobody here would think that a car would stop just because they walked between a couple lines. > * I'm talking about California, where pedestrians are actually respected and the cops are death on crosswalk violations by vehicles. In most places, it's like you describe New Orleans: a couple lines are just for scoring in a real-life Death Race 2000 http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/death_race_2000/about.php > > I push the little TM button, > and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, when > adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, can > create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call this "faith," > but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based on my > own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit. > > OK, but when you aren't transcending don't the limitations that you have self imposed on your mind just sort of get old? Nobody needs for you to believe in these things, including you. > > > When you talk about this influx of light all I hear is pain and fear from you. There is no influx of light as all is light already. The only influx is your grasping at a concept of light. Nevermind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/1/05 10:25 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but when you aren't transcending don't the limitations that you have self imposed on your mind just sort of get old? Nobody needs for you to believe in these things, including you. When you talk about this influx of light all I hear is pain and fear from you. There is no influx of light as all is light already. The only influx is your grasping at a concept of light. Nevermind. I’m enjoying these comments, Kirk. We gotta save this Brigante boy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/1/05 10:18 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>> * > >>> > >>> What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The > >>> facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." > >> > > > >> You mean anything MMY says is fact and not something to have faith > > in, or > >> doubt? > > > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/50022 > > There's a tautology for you. You linked me back to the message to which I > just responded. * No, I linked to the reply which I made to the message to which you responded. I haven't called you an idiot for a few days, so let me remind you what a moron you are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/1/05 10:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there in the Bible, > > Bob. > >> Sal > >> > >> > >> On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > >> > > > >>> What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The > >>> facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." > > > > ** > > > > My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience of > > 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the > > little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop, > > and I can proceed through the crosswalk. I push the little TM button, > > and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, when > > adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, can > > create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call this "faith," > > but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based on my > > own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit. > > I agree with everything you say above, but since facts clearly demonstrate > that many things M says are not true (not only predictions, but contemporary > observations) one has to come to terms somehow with the discrepancy. That's > what a lot of us are trying to do here. * I've seen MMY stumble walking down stairs, and certainly stuff like appearances at the Beach Boys concert (to give a TM lecture in front of kids who were waiting to hear the Boys perform) is a mistake, but these are merely tactical errors. The life-supporting influence of MMY is always right, and the big picture, the strategy, of the TM movement is right. Some of MMY observations are meant to be encouraging to ignorant people, like one tells a child trying to learn to ride a bike, not intended as holy writ. Recently MMY said at a press conference that it could take hundreds of centuries before the pundits made India Vedic. Frank talk like this may be discouraging to people, so he usually says things that predict quick success -- being truthful means being life-supporting. There is the old story of a sage sitting at a crossroads when an obviously distressed man runs by -- in a few moments, some bandits who were chasing the victim appeared and asked which way their mark went. The sage sent them down the wrong road. This was not factually true, but it was true to the life-supporting values that wise men follow, so it was true. Guru Dev sent MMY to enlighten a very very ignorant world, and in that process, MMY may have to not stick to the facts at every turn in order to successfully accomplish his important and divinely-mandated mission. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
Give the man his weight in gold, in Raams. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi on 5/1/05 10:18 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>>> *>>> >>> What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The>>> facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan.">> > >> You mean anything MMY says is fact and not something to have faith> in, or>> doubt?> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/50022There's a tautology for you. You linked me back to the message to which Ijust responded. Hey look! We passed the 50,000 mark! MDixon posted message#50,000: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/5To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience of 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop, and I can proceed through the crosswalk. Don't be coming to New Orleans. They just put crosswalks here to get federal funds. Nobody here would think that a car would stop just because they walked between a couple lines. I push the little TM button, and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, when adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, can create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call this "faith," but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based on my own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit. OK, but when you aren't transcending don't the limitations that you have self imposed on your mind just sort of get old? Nobody needs for you to believe in these things, including you. When you talk about this influx of light all I hear is pain and fear from you. There is no influx of light as all is light already. The only influx is your grasping at a concept of light. Nevermind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 10:18 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> * >>> >>> What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The >>> facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." >> > >> You mean anything MMY says is fact and not something to have faith > in, or >> doubt? > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/50022 There's a tautology for you. You linked me back to the message to which I just responded. Hey look! We passed the 50,000 mark! MDixon posted message #50,000: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/5 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 5/1/05 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> I'm just curious why you believe this with so much faith Bob. I > > mean, why is this belief important, to you, to anyone, and what > > difference in your life would it make if you just left it behind? > > The full hand cannot grasp anything more. The empty hand is free to > > pick up anything. Oh well, nevermind. > >> > > > > * > > > > What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The > > facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." > > You mean anything MMY says is fact and not something to have faith in, or > doubt? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/50022 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 10:11 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there in the Bible, > Bob. >> Sal >> >> >> On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: >> > >>> What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The >>> facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." > > ** > > My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience of > 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the > little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop, > and I can proceed through the crosswalk. I push the little TM button, > and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, when > adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, can > create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call this "faith," > but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based on my > own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit. I agree with everything you say above, but since facts clearly demonstrate that many things M says are not true (not only predictions, but contemporary observations) one has to come to terms somehow with the discrepancy. That's what a lot of us are trying to do here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there in the Bible, Bob. > Sal > > > On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: > > > What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The > > facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." ** My confidence in what MMY says is based on my personal experience of 37 years of TM. It's similar to my confidence that when I push the little button to cross the sidewalk, the cars will come to a stop, and I can proceed through the crosswalk. I push the little TM button, and transcend the limitations of mind, and I can see how this, when adopted by many people, and supplemented with Vedic recitation, can create a friendlier environment on earth. You can call this "faith," but it is not a baseless faith, but a faith or confidence based on my own experience and considerable study of Vedic and other lit. MMY delivered on his sales pitch to me about TM, so I buy his idea about the need to unfold enlightenment gradually. In addition, of course, there are the many examples throughout history when avatars were rejected because the people were simply too lost in darkness and misery to be able to tolerate an expansion of bliss consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 5/1/05 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I'm just curious why you believe this with so much faith Bob. I > mean, why is this belief important, to you, to anyone, and what > difference in your life would it make if you just left it behind? > The full hand cannot grasp anything more. The empty hand is free to > pick up anything. Oh well, nevermind. >> > > * > > What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The > facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." You mean anything MMY says is fact and not something to have faith in, or doubt? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
That's sort of like saying the 'facts' are all there in the Bible, Bob. Sal On May 1, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Bob Brigante wrote: What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan."
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > so basically MMY knows everything" and whatever objection / > > > criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) > > > BobBrigantewrote:> > > You're doing OK, so far. I might point out that I am not saying that > > MMY is infallible in terms of tactics, but the strategy of Nature > > (which MMY elucidated in his booklet "The Divine Plan" see > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ) is correct: > > enlightenment in the Kaliyuga can only proceed slowly, or the people > > living in darkness will freak out (a response well documented in > > history, Jesus being just one example of a rejection of the light by > > an ignorant world). Now that a few people in the West are TM candles > > (enough to reduce the shock of a revived Vedic culture), the revival > > of Vedic culture in India can take off http://www.vedicpandits.org/ > > and it does not matter what happens in the West, the crowns and the > > clown suits, the doomed-to-failure mall stores, etc., because a Vedic > > India will illuminate the whole world, like it or not. > > > > Bob Brigante > > Bob, > > exactly which people do you consider to be the real "TM candles" here in the west? The > folks who went to the recert course and are "obeying" MMY's instructions and trying to > open mall stores? The people who have drifted away disenchanted with the TMO mo? You > yourself? What leads you to believe that there are enough of these "candles" at this time? > I, too, want a Vedic India that illuminates the whole world, but you seem so > absolutely certain of your beliefs. *** Any regular TMer is candling da world, dube. Are there enough candles in the West so that Vedic India will not be too shocking to the world? That's the scenario I support, may not be true, the world also may may carry on with the ignorant inertia of the Kaliyuga, which MMY also has said in his recent press conferences: (paraphrasing: it may take hundreds of centuries for the pundits to restore Vedic culture in India). But it does not matter, anybody can gain enlightenment in any age, so Kaliyuga or not, life goes on, and those who are tired of living life at an animal level can do so. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm just curious why you believe this with so much faith Bob. I mean, why is this belief important, to you, to anyone, and what difference in your life would it make if you just left it behind? The full hand cannot grasp anything more. The empty hand is free to pick up anything. Oh well, nevermind. > * What I have posted has absolutely nothing to do with "faith." The facts are there in MMY's writing "The Divine Plan." Why is it important? Well, you may have noticed that the world is a circus of homicide and brutality and stupidity, all the things that are laughably called "human life." God is always trying to persuade humans to live better, and usually getting rejected (Jesus) -- there is now another opportunity for the world to move to living life at a truly human level instead of living like mad dogs. I'm in favor of that... > > so basically MMY knows everything" and whatever objection / > > criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) > > ** > > You're doing OK, so far. I might point out that I am not saying that > MMY is infallible in terms of tactics, but the strategy of Nature > (which MMY elucidated in his booklet "The Divine Plan" see > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ) is correct: > enlightenment in the Kaliyuga can only proceed slowly, or the people > living in darkness will freak out (a response well documented in > history, Jesus being just one example of a rejection of the light by > an ignorant world). Now that a few people in the West are TM candles > (enough to reduce the shock of a revived Vedic culture), the revival > of Vedic culture in India can take off http://www.vedicpandits.org/ > and it does not matter what happens in the West, the crowns and the > clown suits, the doomed-to-failure mall stores, etc., because a Vedic > India will illuminate the whole world, like it or not. > > Bob Brigante > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > so basically MMY knows everything" and whatever objection / > > criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) > BobBrigantewrote:> > You're doing OK, so far. I might point out that I am not saying that > MMY is infallible in terms of tactics, but the strategy of Nature > (which MMY elucidated in his booklet "The Divine Plan" see > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ) is correct: > enlightenment in the Kaliyuga can only proceed slowly, or the people > living in darkness will freak out (a response well documented in > history, Jesus being just one example of a rejection of the light by > an ignorant world). Now that a few people in the West are TM candles > (enough to reduce the shock of a revived Vedic culture), the revival > of Vedic culture in India can take off http://www.vedicpandits.org/ > and it does not matter what happens in the West, the crowns and the > clown suits, the doomed-to-failure mall stores, etc., because a Vedic > India will illuminate the whole world, like it or not. > > Bob Brigante Bob, exactly which people do you consider to be the real "TM candles" here in the west? The folks who went to the recert course and are "obeying" MMY's instructions and trying to open mall stores? The people who have drifted away disenchanted with the TMO mo? You yourself? What leads you to believe that there are enough of these "candles" at this time? I, too, want a Vedic India that illuminates the whole world, but you seem so absolutely certain of your beliefs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
I'm just curious why you believe this with so much faith Bob. I mean, why is this belief important, to you, to anyone, and what difference in your life would it make if you just left it behind? The full hand cannot grasp anything more. The empty hand is free to pick up anything. Oh well, nevermind.> so basically MMY knows everything" and whatever objection / > criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :)**You're doing OK, so far. I might point out that I am not saying that MMY is infallible in terms of tactics, but the strategy of Nature (which MMY elucidated in his booklet "The Divine Plan" see http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ) is correct: enlightenment in the Kaliyuga can only proceed slowly, or the people living in darkness will freak out (a response well documented in history, Jesus being just one example of a rejection of the light by an ignorant world). Now that a few people in the West are TM candles (enough to reduce the shock of a revived Vedic culture), the revival of Vedic culture in India can take off http://www.vedicpandits.org/ and it does not matter what happens in the West, the crowns and the clown suits, the doomed-to-failure mall stores, etc., because a Vedic India will illuminate the whole world, like it or not.Bob Brigantehttp://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.htmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Both are true. MMY is obviously the victim of nasty and stupid > people > > who the cat has dragged into the TM movement. But MMY is also > cosmic > > intelligence, who as Tat Wala Baba said, "knows everything": > > > > http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap6b.html > > > > It will all come out in the wash, and if it doesn't, that's OK, > too, > > as the Kaliyuga's normal span should extend for another 4270 > > centuries, which is only a drop in the bucket of cosmic time or > even > > geologic time. > > > > > so basically MMY knows everything" and whatever objection / > criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) ** You're doing OK, so far. I might point out that I am not saying that MMY is infallible in terms of tactics, but the strategy of Nature (which MMY elucidated in his booklet "The Divine Plan" see http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light ) is correct: enlightenment in the Kaliyuga can only proceed slowly, or the people living in darkness will freak out (a response well documented in history, Jesus being just one example of a rejection of the light by an ignorant world). Now that a few people in the West are TM candles (enough to reduce the shock of a revived Vedic culture), the revival of Vedic culture in India can take off http://www.vedicpandits.org/ and it does not matter what happens in the West, the crowns and the clown suits, the doomed-to-failure mall stores, etc., because a Vedic India will illuminate the whole world, like it or not. Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
From: "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Both are true. MMY is obviously the victim of nasty and stupid people > who the cat has dragged into the TM movement. But MMY is also cosmic > intelligence, who as Tat Wala Baba said, "knows everything": > > http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap6b.html > > It will all come out in the wash, and if it doesn't, that's OK, too, > as the Kaliyuga's normal span should extend for another 4270 > centuries, which is only a drop in the bucket of cosmic time or even > geologic time. > so basically MMY knows everything" and whatever objection / criticism is kali yuga. did I get right? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On Apr 29, 2005, at 1:25 PM, at_man_and_brahman wrote: > As I said, that's just the way I heard the story. > I didn't embellish it. Yes, I understood that. I was not really referring to you specifically, but as a general trend over time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2005, at 3:53 AM, Bob Brigante wrote: > > >> > >> There's the story, like many others, of > >> Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago > >> to determine a standard for the Movement > >> to use. He drifted from the business > >> discussion when he asked to have the inner > >> mechanics the VCR explained to him, in > >> minute detail. After endless questions, he > >> pointed out ways in which the machinery > >> could be improved that delighted the > >> engineers. > >> > > > > That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY did indeed look at the > > innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical comment, "too > > complicated," which inspired some TMers to try to do a less > > complicated VCR, with zero results. > > And oh so typical of how orthodox TM'ers are great at revisionism. They > have to be since the truth of the situation will not suffice. As I said, that's just the way I heard the story. I didn't embellish it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One interesting note here. The Veda Vision crew: Eric Sandell, Flash > Pflaumer, and others spent over $1 million in their Livingston Manor > workshop trying to develop the first VCR. They did have a working model, but it was so sensitive that the shaking of the ground from a truck driving up the driveway would disrupt it's functioning. Needless to say, someone developed a better one, which the Movement ended up using. At one point, the TMO was 2nd only to the US Military as a purchaser of videotape. But it was > an old, reel-to-real Beta format, not the cassettes we now use. A few supplemental points and possible corrections: - The first cassette, home use, VCR was introduced in 1972 by Phillips. - TMO had video cassette players (could not record) in the field teaching SCI in early 1973. I bought and used one. - Livingston Manor was aquired ? As I remember it was definately not 72, maybe latter half of 73 or 74 -- or later. Who remembers? - One incarnation of VedaVision was working in the fall of 72 on a laser disk technology -- the precursor to the DVD -- pre Livingston Manor. They had a working prototype, I saw it. While mind blowing back then, it was a very weak wobbly picture. Definately not DVD like picture quality. - MMY interacted with the VV enginners quite a bit in fall of 72. Much more than a cursory look as Bob implies. - As I remember, the engineers credited MMY with some quite useful insights on the technology. (Though there was a lot of euphoria in those days, so some might have been wishful thinking.) - RCA labs created their first laser disc in Sept 1972. http://www.cedmagic.com/history/first-successful-ced.html - Veda Vison pursued the laser disc technology for a while, until it became clear that major players were quite abit aheaqd of them. The vision was that VV laser disc would be a huge market hit and its profits would fund the World Plan -- just annnounced earlier that year. (3600 centers world wide, one for each million population). And just think how things might have turned out if they were 6 months ahead of themselves -- and gained major patents in laser appliance technology. In the next several decades, consumer and office electronics were revolutionized by the laser: laser printers, CD's, DVDs, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 4/29/05 3:55 AM, at_man_and_brahman at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob > Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> There's the story, like many others, of > >>> Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago > >>> to determine a standard for the Movement > >>> to use. He drifted from the business > >>> discussion when he asked to have the inner > >>> mechanics the VCR explained to him, in > >>> minute detail. After endless questions, he > >>> pointed out ways in which the machinery > >>> could be improved that delighted the > >>> engineers. > >>> > >> > >> That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY > did indeed look at the > >> innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical > comment, "too > >> complicated," which inspired some TMers to try to > do a less > >> complicated VCR, with zero results. > >> > > > > That's the way I heard it. It's safe to say > > that the real story differs from both of > > out versions. > > One interesting note here. The Veda Vision crew: > Eric Sandell, Flash > Pflaumer, and others spent over $1 million in their > Livingston Manor > workshop trying to develop the first VCR. They did > have a working model, but > it was so sensitive that the shaking of the ground > from a truck driving up > the driveway would disrupt it's functioning. > Needless to say, someone > developed a better one, which the Movement ended up > using. At one point, the > TMO was 2nd only to the US Military as a purchaser > of videotape. But it was > an old, reel-to-real Beta format, not the cassettes > we now use. I worked for Ed Beckly in Fairfield in the video department. I was in charge of ordering video tape, both 3/4" U-matic for dupes and 1" master tapes. We went through video tape like sh_t through a goose, as they say. So Herb Prechtel told me to estimate what we would need over the next six months and to order it from Ampex. I crunched some numbers and came-up with a $250,000 order for video tape! Herb said it was fine so I called Ampex. It took awhile for Ampex to realize that it wasn't a joke. It turns out it was the largest order of video tape in the companies history. Of course Beckly collapsed before we used all the tape. Man, was it a lot of video tape! -Peter > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 4/29/05 3:55 AM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>> There's the story, like many others, of >>> Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago >>> to determine a standard for the Movement >>> to use. He drifted from the business >>> discussion when he asked to have the inner >>> mechanics the VCR explained to him, in >>> minute detail. After endless questions, he >>> pointed out ways in which the machinery >>> could be improved that delighted the >>> engineers. >>> >> >> That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY did indeed look at the >> innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical comment, "too >> complicated," which inspired some TMers to try to do a less >> complicated VCR, with zero results. >> > > That's the way I heard it. It's safe to say > that the real story differs from both of > out versions. One interesting note here. The Veda Vision crew: Eric Sandell, Flash Pflaumer, and others spent over $1 million in their Livingston Manor workshop trying to develop the first VCR. They did have a working model, but it was so sensitive that the shaking of the ground from a truck driving up the driveway would disrupt it's functioning. Needless to say, someone developed a better one, which the Movement ended up using. At one point, the TMO was 2nd only to the US Military as a purchaser of videotape. But it was an old, reel-to-real Beta format, not the cassettes we now use. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
on 4/29/05 1:32 AM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. > Check out the new quote I put in the site description: "Whatever you think, it's more than that" ~~ Incredible String Band I love that line. Remember that group? Awesome. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On Apr 29, 2005, at 3:53 AM, Bob Brigante wrote: >> >> There's the story, like many others, of >> Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago >> to determine a standard for the Movement >> to use. He drifted from the business >> discussion when he asked to have the inner >> mechanics the VCR explained to him, in >> minute detail. After endless questions, he >> pointed out ways in which the machinery >> could be improved that delighted the >> engineers. >> > > That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY did indeed look at the > innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical comment, "too > complicated," which inspired some TMers to try to do a less > complicated VCR, with zero results. And oh so typical of how orthodox TM'ers are great at revisionism. They have to be since the truth of the situation will not suffice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
On Apr 29, 2005, at 2:32 AM, at_man_and_brahman wrote: > I don't think those things interest him, but > he has developed an understanding of business > principles, particularly branding, that would be > the envy of any Harvard MBA, . > > I'm not shoulding upon him--pause for laughs-- > but rather saying that he's demonstrated a > prodigious ability to learn about subjects that > interest him, even those foreign to his background. > > Such a man would certainly pick up a decent sense > after fifty years of the way at least dominant cultures > in the world operate. Reminds me of of Hindu-colored version of The Apprentice, albeit with a Hindu celebrity instead of Donald Trump. Very little difference. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's the story, like many others, of > > Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago > > to determine a standard for the Movement > > to use. He drifted from the business > > discussion when he asked to have the inner > > mechanics the VCR explained to him, in > > minute detail. After endless questions, he > > pointed out ways in which the machinery > > could be improved that delighted the > > engineers. > > > > That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY did indeed look at the > innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical comment, "too > complicated," which inspired some TMers to try to do a less > complicated VCR, with zero results. > That's the way I heard it. It's safe to say that the real story differs from both of out versions. > > > Another story--a year or so ago, he had > > Hagelin tell him in detail what would > > happen in a nuclear explosion, wanting > > to know far more about it than you, I, or > > anyone we've ever met would be able to > > stomach. He wanted to understand exactly > > what the nuclear threat really meant and > > expected an unvarnished picture of their > > horror. > > > > Fine, then let Hagelin bring in a consultant who has some good ideas > about marketing TM and he can listen to that in detail. That won't > happen because Haglelin is only interested in making John-boy look > important. Kaplan tried just that regarding a national advertising campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > > How long can a man remain utterly naive > > > > and innocent about the ways of the world? > > > > After all, he's extremely intelligent and about > > > > the quickest study around. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe he should learn how to pronounce English by American > standards > > > too? Or play the piano, or learn how to program a computer? > > > > I don't think those things interest him, but > > he has developed an understanding of business > > principles, particularly branding, that would be > > the envy of any Harvard MBA, . > > > > That's just ludricous, TM has no market identity -- when people hear > about some TM research, it is instantly genericized into the benefits > of generic meditation. He's lousy at marketing, but superb at creating a brand identity. I just finished an MBA and can see that Maharishi's sense of branding is more sophisticated than just about anyone else in American business we were exposed to in hundreds of case studies. Walt Disney is one of the only people I can think of who comes close. Disney had the additional advantage of understanding marketing. "Brand" is a claim of distinction. Within this claim lies the promise that you make to uphold that distinction. Without distinction, price is the only measurement of value for a product or service. "Branding" describes the tactics used to communicate the brand promise through consistent use of color, graphics and messaging. Maharishi's brand and branding is extraordinarily consistent, vigorous, and sophisticated. The generalized perception of that brand among the populace is due to Maharishi's near-total failure to market his brand effectively, as you've written about extensively. > > > Let me ask this. Is your world view falsifiable? > > Is there any imaginable real-world event, > > such as an action on the part of Maharishi, > > John, Bevan, or any of the Clowns in > > Crowns, that could force you to change your > > mind about your assumptions? > > > > This is the same question I put, over and over, > > a few years back to a local perennial Libertarian > > candidate with a personality and behavior > > pattern almost exactly like yours. He refused > > to acknowledge my question. It's the only > > question I ever saw him avoid, after following > > three of his campaigns. > > > > The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. > > I would certainly welcome any actual challenge, but nothing in the > stale ruminations you present is worth more than few words of > dismissal. Pretty much the same response I got from the Libertarian, a refusal to acknowledge the question I posed. Nonetheless, I appreciate even the few words of dismissal with which you've awarded my tiresome rhetoric. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Bob-zoid, > > > > > > A point that I don't recall ever having been > > > made in rebuttal to your worldview is that > > > you keep coming back to the present tense > > > you use when mentioning that Maharishi's > > > a monk, unfamiliar with the ways of the world > > > and the West. Obviously that was true fifty > > > years ago, but don't you think that he's had > > > plenty of time to learn the basics of how > > > ordinary Western people think and behave? > > > > > > > Paul-zoid: > > You think that a yogi who is living cosmic life, who spent years in > > total bliss with an acknowledged Divinity > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#guru is going to try to > > put on a 3-piece suit and learn how to deal with schmucks? > > I'm not suggesting a concerted effort, > but rather a natural process of > learning/osmosis/assimilation. > > MMY > > attuned himself to the mind of Guru Dev, he's not going to attune > > himself to the feeble minds of householders around the world, which > > he could not do as a practical matter even if he wanted to, because > > of the variety of cultures and languages around the world. MMY > > founded the TM movement, and in that he has done all that he needs to > > do. Pitching the TM movement in all the various cultures of the world > > needs to be done by people conversant with that culture -- MMY could > > not possibly know how to function in all these different societies > > and languages. > > You're exaggerating my point. I didn't say > that he'd become an expert on pygmy > culture. He's been around people from > certain countries predominantly, including > lots of Americans. It would be pretty > unnatural not to have learned the basics > of how they think. While he likely has > little experience with certain classes of > people--he's still seen a lot. He hung out > with dope smokin', wife-swappin' rock > musicians in the '60s for Christ's sake. > > He got off an elevator once in a hotel > and ran into a man who was smoking > a big stinky cigar. The guy took a look > at him and blew a big puff of smoke in > his face and then said, "So, you're that > guru that all the kids follow, huh?" Ya > don't think he learned a little bit from that? > > There's the story, like many others, of > Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago > to determine a standard for the Movement > to use. He drifted from the business > discussion when he asked to have the inner > mechanics the VCR explained to him, in > minute detail. After endless questions, he > pointed out ways in which the machinery > could be improved that delighted the > engineers. > That's a fascinating story, just not true. MMY did indeed look at the innards of a VCR, and made the highly technical comment, "too complicated," which inspired some TMers to try to do a less complicated VCR, with zero results. > Another story--a year or so ago, he had > Hagelin tell him in detail what would > happen in a nuclear explosion, wanting > to know far more about it than you, I, or > anyone we've ever met would be able to > stomach. He wanted to understand exactly > what the nuclear threat really meant and > expected an unvarnished picture of their > horror. > Fine, then let Hagelin bring in a consultant who has some good ideas about marketing TM and he can listen to that in detail. That won't happen because Haglelin is only interested in making John-boy look important. > > > > > > > How long can a man remain utterly naive > > > and innocent about the ways of the world? > > > After all, he's extremely intelligent and about > > > the quickest study around. > > > > > > > Maybe he should learn how to pronounce English by American standards > > too? Or play the piano, or learn how to program a computer? > > I don't think those things interest him, but > he has developed an understanding of business > principles, particularly branding, that would be > the envy of any Harvard MBA, . > That's just ludricous, TM has no market identity -- when people hear about some TM research, it is instantly genericized into the benefits of generic meditation. > I'm not shoulding upon him--pause for laughs-- > but rather saying that he's demonstrated a > prodigious ability to learn about subjects that > interest him, even those foreign to his background. > > Such a man would certainly pick up a decent sense > after fifty years of the way at least dominant cultures > in the world operate. > > Remaining > > out of touch with the ugliness of so-called human life these days is > > a necessity for a yogi -- that's why they like to live in the woods, > > as Guru Dev did for many years, only coming out to find a receptive > > student who spoke English and had a Western education to make the > > bliss he lived available to
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Bob-zoid, > > > > A point that I don't recall ever having been > > made in rebuttal to your worldview is that > > you keep coming back to the present tense > > you use when mentioning that Maharishi's > > a monk, unfamiliar with the ways of the world > > and the West. Obviously that was true fifty > > years ago, but don't you think that he's had > > plenty of time to learn the basics of how > > ordinary Western people think and behave? > > > > Paul-zoid: > You think that a yogi who is living cosmic life, who spent years in > total bliss with an acknowledged Divinity > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#guru is going to try to > put on a 3-piece suit and learn how to deal with schmucks? I'm not suggesting a concerted effort, but rather a natural process of learning/osmosis/assimilation. MMY > attuned himself to the mind of Guru Dev, he's not going to attune > himself to the feeble minds of householders around the world, which > he could not do as a practical matter even if he wanted to, because > of the variety of cultures and languages around the world. MMY > founded the TM movement, and in that he has done all that he needs to > do. Pitching the TM movement in all the various cultures of the world > needs to be done by people conversant with that culture -- MMY could > not possibly know how to function in all these different societies > and languages. You're exaggerating my point. I didn't say that he'd become an expert on pygmy culture. He's been around people from certain countries predominantly, including lots of Americans. It would be pretty unnatural not to have learned the basics of how they think. While he likely has little experience with certain classes of people--he's still seen a lot. He hung out with dope smokin', wife-swappin' rock musicians in the '60s for Christ's sake. He got off an elevator once in a hotel and ran into a man who was smoking a big stinky cigar. The guy took a look at him and blew a big puff of smoke in his face and then said, "So, you're that guru that all the kids follow, huh?" Ya don't think he learned a little bit from that? There's the story, like many others, of Maharishi being shown VCRs years ago to determine a standard for the Movement to use. He drifted from the business discussion when he asked to have the inner mechanics the VCR explained to him, in minute detail. After endless questions, he pointed out ways in which the machinery could be improved that delighted the engineers. Another story--a year or so ago, he had Hagelin tell him in detail what would happen in a nuclear explosion, wanting to know far more about it than you, I, or anyone we've ever met would be able to stomach. He wanted to understand exactly what the nuclear threat really meant and expected an unvarnished picture of their horror. > > > > How long can a man remain utterly naive > > and innocent about the ways of the world? > > After all, he's extremely intelligent and about > > the quickest study around. > > > > Maybe he should learn how to pronounce English by American standards > too? Or play the piano, or learn how to program a computer? I don't think those things interest him, but he has developed an understanding of business principles, particularly branding, that would be the envy of any Harvard MBA, . I'm not shoulding upon him--pause for laughs-- but rather saying that he's demonstrated a prodigious ability to learn about subjects that interest him, even those foreign to his background. Such a man would certainly pick up a decent sense after fifty years of the way at least dominant cultures in the world operate. Remaining > out of touch with the ugliness of so-called human life these days is > a necessity for a yogi -- that's why they like to live in the woods, > as Guru Dev did for many years, only coming out to find a receptive > student who spoke English and had a Western education to make the > bliss he lived available to the world (if the householder can't go to > the cave, bring the cave to the householder). > > > > He's been on how many world tours? > > As a famous old man, and a leader of a worldwide > > organization, he's met and talked with more > > people than everyone on FFL combined. > > > > As for Booz Allen Hamilton, many people, including > > David Kaplan, have tried to convince Maharishi > > to hire this or that American consulting firm, > > particularly w/r/t branding and marketing. > > Maharishi rejects the preliminary plans each time. > > I heard from a Purusha many years back about > > a tirade he went into when talking about conducting > > the Movement according to accepted business > > principles, saying that the world is based on > > such principles and look at what a mess it > > is. He is convinced that "Maharishi Master > > Management," whatever specifically that means > > to him, is superior knowledge to anyt
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, Bob - I think your next statement will be your usual claim that actually, MMY did/ > does not want the TMO to succeed because we are not ready for such sattva. You often > state that MMY keeps these goofy people around intentionally to slow down the progress > of the TMO. So which is it- MMY the vicitm or MMY the fully in charge leader? Both are true. MMY is obviously the victim of nasty and stupid people who the cat has dragged into the TM movement. But MMY is also cosmic intelligence, who as Tat Wala Baba said, "knows everything": http://www.yogiphotos.com/chap6b.html It will all come out in the wash, and if it doesn't, that's OK, too, as the Kaliyuga's normal span should extend for another 4270 centuries, which is only a drop in the bucket of cosmic time or even geologic time. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 4/27/05 7:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >> My friend Charlie Gleuck (Dr. Gleuck's son) went to the Hartford > > > > concert. He > > > >> said it was agonizing. Maharishi opened for the Beach Boys and > > the > > > > kids > > > >> hissed and booed and talked to one another while Maharishi tried > > to > > > > lecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Typical knuckleheaded play by TM mgmt -- let's give a TM lecture > > at a > > > > rock concert, making kids wait for their tunes! And, from these > > same > > > > marketing geniuses, the mall store coming to your location soon! > > (or > > > > later, maybe, which is what "soon" means in movement-speak). > > > > > > > > > > Uh, Bob. Same old discussion we always have. The knucklehead you're > > > referring to is Maharishi. His idea to do the tour. I'm sure he > > would have > > > preferred to open for the Beatles, but the Beach Boys had to do. > > > > *** > > > > If you don't remind rehashing this, providing proper guidance for MMY > > is the job of TM management, not letting a goofy guy like Mike Love > > put him in a ridiculous situation which anybody in this culture with > > any sense (and this does include most rock musicians, whether they TM > > or not) would know could not work. As far as MMY initiating this > > idea, you can make that claim, but it's just nonsense -- this was > > Mike Love's idea, and no TM managers stepped forward to kill this > > doomed notion. > > > > MMY does let people tell him what to do if they are forceful -- an > > example of this being MMY at the Honolulu airport in 1959, when his > > driver grabbed his carpetbag out of his hand and took him home when > > MMY admitted he had made no arrangements for his trip to San > > Francisco: > > > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/letter.html#HNL > > > > I know Mike Love has been a long-time ru -- his room was down the > > hall from mine at the Humboldt TTC in August 1970 -- but before he > > attended Humboldt, he ended up in a psych ward for a while after he > > spaced out from a marathon meditation session (a scene depicted in > > the 2000 ABC movie about the Beach Boys > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=31330 ), and Mike Love and > > TM mgmt enthusiasm is no substitute for good judgement, and the bad > > judgement of letting MMY on that stage at a rock concert pretty much > > typifies the malfeasance of TM mgmt which continues to this day, and > > MMY can't be blamed for that. He's a Hindu monk who does not know how > > to operate in Western culture, and he said so when left India: > > > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 > > > > TM managers are goofy, because the TM community is goofy, and so they > > need to do reality checks with responsible and creative people > > outside the movement who like to solve problems -- these people are > > called consultants, and there many fine firms that do this type of > > work -- one of the most prominent is Booz Allen Hamilton > > http://www.boozallen.com/ , and if the TMO were to sit down with > > these consultants, they could come up a business plan that works, and > > not a fantasy based on the enthusiasm of eccentric people. > > Bob-zoid, > > A point that I don't recall ever having been > made in rebuttal to your worldview is that > you keep coming back to the present tense > you use when mentioning that Maharishi's > a monk, unfamiliar with the ways of the world > and the West. Obviously that was true fifty > years ago, but don't you think that he's had > plenty of time to learn the basics of how > ordinary Western people think and behave? > Paul-zoid: You think that a yogi who is living cosmic life, who spent years in total bliss with an acknowledged Divinity http://geocities.com/bbrigante/spiritual.html#guru is going to try to put on a 3-piece suit and learn how to deal with schmucks? MMY attuned himself to the mind of Guru Dev, he's not going to attune himself to the feeble minds of householders around the world, which he could not do as a practical matter even if he wanted to, because of the variety of cultures and languages around the world. MMY founded the TM movement, and in that he has done all that he needs to do. Pitching the TM movement in all the various cultures of the world needs to be done by people conversant with that culture -- MMY could not possibly know how to function in all these different societies and languages. > How long can a man remain utterly naive > and innocent about the ways of the world? > After all, he's extremely intelligent and about > the quickest study around. > Maybe he should learn h
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 4/27/05 7:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > >> My friend Charlie Gleuck (Dr. Gleuck's son) went to the Hartford > > > > concert. He > > > >> said it was agonizing. Maharishi opened for the Beach Boys and > > the > > > > kids > > > >> hissed and booed and talked to one another while Maharishi tried > > to > > > > lecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Typical knuckleheaded play by TM mgmt -- let's give a TM lecture > > at a > > > > rock concert, making kids wait for their tunes! And, from these > > same > > > > marketing geniuses, the mall store coming to your location soon! > > (or > > > > later, maybe, which is what "soon" means in movement-speak). > > > > > > > > > > Uh, Bob. Same old discussion we always have. The knucklehead you're > > > referring to is Maharishi. His idea to do the tour. I'm sure he > > would have > > > preferred to open for the Beatles, but the Beach Boys had to do. > > > > *** > > > > If you don't remind rehashing this, providing proper guidance for MMY > > is the job of TM management, not letting a goofy guy like Mike Love > > put him in a ridiculous situation which anybody in this culture with > > any sense (and this does include most rock musicians, whether they TM > > or not) would know could not work. As far as MMY initiating this > > idea, you can make that claim, but it's just nonsense -- this was > > Mike Love's idea, and no TM managers stepped forward to kill this > > doomed notion. > > > > MMY does let people tell him what to do if they are forceful -- an > > example of this being MMY at the Honolulu airport in 1959, when his > > driver grabbed his carpetbag out of his hand and took him home when > > MMY admitted he had made no arrangements for his trip to San > > Francisco: > > > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/letter.html#HNL > > > > I know Mike Love has been a long-time ru -- his room was down the > > hall from mine at the Humboldt TTC in August 1970 -- but before he > > attended Humboldt, he ended up in a psych ward for a while after he > > spaced out from a marathon meditation session (a scene depicted in > > the 2000 ABC movie about the Beach Boys > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=31330 ), and Mike Love and > > TM mgmt enthusiasm is no substitute for good judgement, and the bad > > judgement of letting MMY on that stage at a rock concert pretty much > > typifies the malfeasance of TM mgmt which continues to this day, and > > MMY can't be blamed for that. He's a Hindu monk who does not know how > > to operate in Western culture, and he said so when left India: > > > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 > > > > TM managers are goofy, because the TM community is goofy, and so they > > need to do reality checks with responsible and creative people > > outside the movement who like to solve problems -- these people are > > called consultants, and there many fine firms that do this type of > > work -- one of the most prominent is Booz Allen Hamilton > > http://www.boozallen.com/ , and if the TMO were to sit down with > > these consultants, they could come up a business plan that works, and > > not a fantasy based on the enthusiasm of eccentric people. > > Bob-zoid, > > A point that I don't recall ever having been > made in rebuttal to your worldview is that > you keep coming back to the present tense > you use when mentioning that Maharishi's > a monk, unfamiliar with the ways of the world > and the West. Obviously that was true fifty > years ago, but don't you think that he's had > plenty of time to learn the basics of how > ordinary Western people think and behave? > > How long can a man remain utterly naive > and innocent about the ways of the world? > After all, he's extremely intelligent and about > the quickest study around. > > He's been on how many world tours, after all? > As a famous old man, and a leader of a worldwide > organization, he's met and talked with more > people than everyone on FFL combined. > > As for Booz Allen Hamilton, many people, including > David Kaplan, have tried to convince Maharishi > to hire this or that American consulting firm, > particularly w/r/t branding and marketing. > Maharishi rejects the preliminary plans each time. > I heard from a Purusha many years back about > a tirade he went into when talking about conducting > the Movement according to accepted business > principles, saying that the world is based on > such principles and look at what a mess it > is. He is convinced that "Maharishi Master > Management," whatever specifically that means > to him, is superior knowledge to anything > these firms have say. Also, Bob - I think your next stat
[FairfieldLife] Re: still no clue about Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 4/27/05 7:28 PM, Bob Brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > >> My friend Charlie Gleuck (Dr. Gleuck's son) went to the Hartford > > > concert. He > > >> said it was agonizing. Maharishi opened for the Beach Boys and > the > > > kids > > >> hissed and booed and talked to one another while Maharishi tried > to > > > lecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Typical knuckleheaded play by TM mgmt -- let's give a TM lecture > at a > > > rock concert, making kids wait for their tunes! And, from these > same > > > marketing geniuses, the mall store coming to your location soon! > (or > > > later, maybe, which is what "soon" means in movement-speak). > > > > > > Uh, Bob. Same old discussion we always have. The knucklehead you're > > referring to is Maharishi. His idea to do the tour. I'm sure he > would have > > preferred to open for the Beatles, but the Beach Boys had to do. > > *** > > If you don't remind rehashing this, providing proper guidance for MMY > is the job of TM management, not letting a goofy guy like Mike Love > put him in a ridiculous situation which anybody in this culture with > any sense (and this does include most rock musicians, whether they TM > or not) would know could not work. As far as MMY initiating this > idea, you can make that claim, but it's just nonsense -- this was > Mike Love's idea, and no TM managers stepped forward to kill this > doomed notion. > > MMY does let people tell him what to do if they are forceful -- an > example of this being MMY at the Honolulu airport in 1959, when his > driver grabbed his carpetbag out of his hand and took him home when > MMY admitted he had made no arrangements for his trip to San > Francisco: > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/letter.html#HNL > > I know Mike Love has been a long-time ru -- his room was down the > hall from mine at the Humboldt TTC in August 1970 -- but before he > attended Humboldt, he ended up in a psych ward for a while after he > spaced out from a marathon meditation session (a scene depicted in > the 2000 ABC movie about the Beach Boys > http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=31330 ), and Mike Love and > TM mgmt enthusiasm is no substitute for good judgement, and the bad > judgement of letting MMY on that stage at a rock concert pretty much > typifies the malfeasance of TM mgmt which continues to this day, and > MMY can't be blamed for that. He's a Hindu monk who does not know how > to operate in Western culture, and he said so when left India: > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/comp.html#30 > > TM managers are goofy, because the TM community is goofy, and so they > need to do reality checks with responsible and creative people > outside the movement who like to solve problems -- these people are > called consultants, and there many fine firms that do this type of > work -- one of the most prominent is Booz Allen Hamilton > http://www.boozallen.com/ , and if the TMO were to sit down with > these consultants, they could come up a business plan that works, and > not a fantasy based on the enthusiasm of eccentric people. Bob-zoid, A point that I don't recall ever having been made in rebuttal to your worldview is that you keep coming back to the present tense you use when mentioning that Maharishi's a monk, unfamiliar with the ways of the world and the West. Obviously that was true fifty years ago, but don't you think that he's had plenty of time to learn the basics of how ordinary Western people think and behave? How long can a man remain utterly naive and innocent about the ways of the world? After all, he's extremely intelligent and about the quickest study around. He's been on how many world tours, after all? As a famous old man, and a leader of a worldwide organization, he's met and talked with more people than everyone on FFL combined. As for Booz Allen Hamilton, many people, including David Kaplan, have tried to convince Maharishi to hire this or that American consulting firm, particularly w/r/t branding and marketing. Maharishi rejects the preliminary plans each time. I heard from a Purusha many years back about a tirade he went into when talking about conducting the Movement according to accepted business principles, saying that the world is based on such principles and look at what a mess it is. He is convinced that "Maharishi Master Management," whatever specifically that means to him, is superior knowledge to anything these firms have say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your us
