[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
. Creating Heaven on Earth .. The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the altar of Godone's own Godthrough one's own religion. Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of God, Natural Law, and enjoying Heaven on Earth.' -Maharishi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Text, copied from a published 1993 color calendar produced by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, original in the collection of the State of Iowa archives. "Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with the supreme intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe and upholds all of creation. Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and it's infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life. With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the richness of its natural cultural dignity. Life will be lived spontaneously in accord with the natural law of the land. No culture will overshadow any other culture. The whole world family will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures. With the full blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect. Heaven on Earth will be characterized by a perfect civilization. With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom. With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be enjoyed by every nation. With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need to prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a natural feature of national life. No negativity will arise and no enemy will be born for any nation. Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be characterized by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace on all levels of collective life -family, community, nation, and the world. Heaven on Earth will also be characterized by perfection in all areas of the life of the individual and society. Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing environment. Considering all the innumerable values of life and living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all good everywhere and non-good nowhere beautiful sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone always and everywhere. With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything. With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is characterized by perfection, complete balance and integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all levels of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, physical, material, environment, and cosmic. Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme quality of life everywhere in this beautiful world when weakness and suffering is not found anywhere, and everyone in the world enjoys real freedom in bliss and fulfillment. This Heaven on Earth is now going to be real for everyone and every nation. Heaven on Earth has been the most laudable aspiration of the wise throughout the ages. Creation of Heaven on Earth is the most desirable project in the entire history of the human race. Everyone can now enjoy Heaven on Earth through perfect alliance with Natural Law, through the enlivenment of the total potential of Natural Law in one's own consciousness." .
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the altar of Godone's own Godthrough one's own religion. Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of God, Natural Law, and enjoying Heaven on Earth.' -Maharishi ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Text, copied from a published 1993 color calendar produced by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, original in the collection of the State of Iowa archives. "Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with the supreme intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe and upholds all of creation. Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and it's infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life. With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the richness of its natural cultural dignity. Life will be lived spontaneously in accord with the natural law of the land. No culture will overshadow any other culture. The whole world family will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures. With the full blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect. Heaven on Earth will be characterized by a perfect civilization. With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom. With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be enjoyed by every nation. With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need to prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a natural feature of national life. No negativity will arise and no enemy will be born for any nation. Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be characterized by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace on all levels of collective life -family, community, nation, and the world. Heaven on Earth will also be characterized by perfection in all areas of the life of the individual and society. Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing environment. Considering all the innumerable values of life and living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all good everywhere and non-good nowhere beautiful sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone always and everywhere. With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything. With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is characterized by perfection, complete balance and integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all levels of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, physical, material, environment, and cosmic. Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme quality of life everywhere in this beautiful world when weakness and suffering is not found anywhere, and everyone in the world enjoys real freedom in bliss and fulfillment. This Heaven on Earth is now going to be real for everyone and every nation. Heaven on Earth has been the most laudable aspiration of the wise throughout the ages. Creation of Heaven on Earth is the most desirable project in the entire history of the human race. Everyone can now enjoy Heaven on Earth through perfect alliance with Natural Law, through the enlivenment of the total potential of Natural Law in one's own consciousness." .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Humankind
But Buck, the soil is so polluted now that probably all it's good for is to grow a gasoline additive! On Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:57 PM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" wrote: And then the accelerating problem; the aggregating farm monopolies bull-dozing farmsteads that once housed livestock. .. Bull-dozing of the mixed farms, farms consolidated and dozed down, just to get a few more acres to grow more gasohol for cars. Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone. We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time. Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Humankind
And then the accelerating problem; the aggregating farm monopolies bull-dozing farmsteads that once housed livestock. .. Bull-dozing of the mixed farms, farms consolidated and dozed down, just to get a few more acres to grow more gasohol for cars. Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone. We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time. Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
On 4/28/2014 10:19 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: At least here in the Netherlands we actually *have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading in a million dollars and his mind. I wonder how long it'll be before we can pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks. :-) > If I were you, I'd keep my U.S. Passport up to date as a back-up plan. Go figure. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
On 4/28/2014 10:06 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > Wonder if there is still a Capitol there? > Navasota is the Blues Capitol of Texas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navasota,_Texas --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
On 4/28/2014 8:55 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > was that Navasota Texas? > That's the home town of Manse Lipscomb, the legendary blues musician. But, I think you're talking about Charleston, SC and his name was John C. Calhoun. Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mance_Lipscomb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Calhoun --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
Nope! The Capitol of the Age of Enlightenment in Navasota Texas burned to the ground about three years ago. Just a pile of ashes were left on slabs. However, the new Peace Palaces, next to it, were untouched. They were never finished and I think the property has been sold. If anyone is suspicious of another fire bringing down a Capitol, it was due to a forest fire that consumed thousands of acres. Nature supports! No doubt they got more from insurance than had they demolished it and sold it for scrap, which they were considering at one time. On Monday, April 28, 2014 8:19 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: From: Micha"el Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind Wonder if there is still a Capitol there? There were so many "Capitols." Who would notice one more, or less? :-) Never just a "center" or a "facility." It always had to be a "Capitol," often of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say "megalomania?" I think you can. :-) I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually *have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading in a million dollars and his mind. I wonder how long it'll be before we can pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: Micha"el Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind Wonder if there is still a Capitol there? There were so many "Capitols." Who would notice one more, or less? :-) Never just a "center" or a "facility." It always had to be a "Capitol," often of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say "megalomania?" I think you can. :-) I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually *have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading in a million dollars and his mind. I wonder how long it'll be before we can pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks. :-) Ha, ha. "Real" Kings don't exist, Bawwy. They are the product of hundreds of years of inbreeding and oppression of the masses. Your Dutch "King" is hardly worthy of three days of "fun and frolic" - what does this entail? Perhaps prostrating oneself in all seriousness before his portrait while slugging down a few pints of Dutch swill.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: Micha"el Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind Wonder if there is still a Capitol there? There were so many "Capitols." Who would notice one more, or less? :-) Never just a "center" or a "facility." It always had to be a "Capitol," often of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say "megalomania?" I think you can. :-) I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually *have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading in a million dollars and his mind. I wonder how long it'll be before we can pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks. :-) Ha, ha. "Real" Kings don't exist, Bawwy. They are the product of hundreds of years of inbreeding and oppression of the masses. Your Dutch "King" is hardly worthy of three days of "fun and frolic" - what does this entail? Perhaps prostrating oneself in all seriousness before his portrait while slugging down a few pints of Dutch swill.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
From: Micha"el Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind Wonder if there is still a Capitol there? There were so many "Capitols." Who would notice one more, or less? :-) Never just a "center" or a "facility." It always had to be a "Capitol," often of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say "megalomania?" I think you can. :-) I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually *have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading in a million dollars and his mind. I wonder how long it'll be before we can pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
Wonder if there is still a Capitol there? On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 2:05 PM You betcha! On Monday, April 28, 2014 6:58 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: was that Navasota Texas? On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 1:39 PM Well... at least they aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the Capitol in Navasota. One steer gouged the eye of another while feeding and no veterinarian was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing, damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the neighbor in compensation, I'm sure to end up in their freezer.< I had begged the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals to graze the land because I feared something of this nature would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on to a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a wrongful death lawsuit. But nooo, they would be so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if something bad happens to them... well, it's just their karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday, April 28, 2014 6:00 AM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" wrote: Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone. We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time. Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature.That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation t
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
You betcha!
On Monday, April 28, 2014 6:58 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
was that Navasota Texas?
On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 1:39 PM
Well... at least they
aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then
neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the
Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the Capitol
in Navasota. One steer
gouged the eye of another while feeding and no veterinarian
was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers
wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing,
damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the
neighbor in compensation,
I'm sure to end up in their freezer.< I had begged
the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals to
graze the land because I feared something of this nature
would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate
to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on to
a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a wrongful death
lawsuit. But nooo, they would be
so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if
something bad happens to them... well, it's just their
karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday, April 28,
2014 6:00 AM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
Yesterday I drove
by a farm north of
Fairfield, Iowa a ways
out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were
taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods
of
good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge
and
plant more gasohol. Livestock gone.
We are witnessing the end of an
epoch.
With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer
of 360
acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre
farms to
3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many
humans being
much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals
anymore.
You can see this now compared even to five and ten years
ago at
the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any
animal
projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family
farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the
landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite
stunning to
see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short
period of
time.
Care-taking
large animals has always
been an important practical and spiritual schooling in
humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards
being a good human being. It just
does not work well with animals unless you are a good
person. Taking
care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any
effective
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically
was once a
care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child,
herdsmen
with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy
horse to
drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham
Lincoln. With
equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing,
Patton, Truman,
Eisenhower, Reagan each.
...practiced
at being good at being a
good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in
nature.That has mostly come to and end.
Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship
of
humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only
incubated and
left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums,
social -science, law and
business schools, and some on-the-job or interning
experience. May
the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
I
hope always that city people will
support small farming and people who raise livestock on
their own
independent of the corporations. The opening of America to
small farms and the opportunity
for ownership was always what made America what it was. In
the last
few years with this aggregation taking place in large
corporate
agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended.
May the Unified Field
Transcendent God save the country,-Buck in the
Dome
Authfriend
writes:Those sure are some gorgeous
Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly
monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that
way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't
anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
A beautiful key
to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper
treatment of the cows
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
was that Navasota Texas?
On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 1:39 PM
Well... at least they
aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then
neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the
Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the Capitol
in Navasota. One steer
gouged the eye of another while feeding and no veterinarian
was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers
wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing,
damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the
neighbor in compensation,
I'm sure to end up in their freezer.< I had begged
the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals to
graze the land because I feared something of this nature
would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate
to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on to
a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a wrongful death
lawsuit. But nooo, they would be
so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if
something bad happens to them... well, it's just their
karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday, April 28,
2014 6:00 AM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com"
wrote:
Yesterday I drove
by a farm north of
Fairfield, Iowa a ways
out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were
taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods
of
good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge
and
plant more gasohol. Livestock gone.
We are witnessing the end of an
epoch.
With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer
of 360
acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre
farms to
3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many
humans being
much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals
anymore.
You can see this now compared even to five and ten years
ago at
the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any
animal
projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family
farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the
landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite
stunning to
see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short
period of
time.
Care-taking
large animals has always
been an important practical and spiritual schooling in
humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards
being a good human being. It just
does not work well with animals unless you are a good
person. Taking
care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any
effective
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically
was once a
care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child,
herdsmen
with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy
horse to
drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham
Lincoln. With
equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing,
Patton, Truman,
Eisenhower, Reagan each.
...practiced
at being good at being a
good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in
nature.That has mostly come to and end.
Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship
of
humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only
incubated and
left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums,
social -science, law and
business schools, and some on-the-job or interning
experience. May
the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
I
hope always that city people will
support small farming and people who raise livestock on
their own
independent of the corporations. The opening of America to
small farms and the opportunity
for ownership was always what made America what it was. In
the last
few years with this aggregation taking place in large
corporate
agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended.
May the Unified Field
Transcendent God save the country,-Buck in the
Dome
Authfriend
writes:Those sure are some gorgeous
Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly
monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that
way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't
anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
A beautiful key
to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper
treatment of the cows
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
Well... at least they aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the Capitol in Navasota. One steer gouged the eye of another while feeding and no veterinarian was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing, damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the neighbor in compensation, I'm sure to end up in their freezer.< I had begged the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals to graze the land because I feared something of this nature would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on to a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a wrongful death lawsuit. But nooo, they would be so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if something bad happens to them... well, it's just their karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday, April 28, 2014 6:00 AM, "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com" wrote: Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone. We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time. Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck in the Dome Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone. We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time. Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck in the Dome Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time. Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck in the Dome Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each. ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck in the Dome Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature. That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, social -science and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us. I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck in the Dome Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, -Buck in the Dome Authfriend writes: Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper treatment of the cows http://www.universalfields.org/index.html http://www.universalfields.org/index.html Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
> > > > > > Heaven > on Earth > > > > > > The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of > > > Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of > > > life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the > > > altar of Godone's own Godthrough one's own religion. > > > Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of GodNatural > > > Lawand enjoying Heaven on Earth.'Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > > Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the > > > > highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if > > > > Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough > > > > individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, > > > > individuals whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with > > > > the supreme intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe > > > > and upholds all of creation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and > > > > > it's infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's > > > > > functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by > > > > > > cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the > > > > > > richness of its natural cultural dignity. Life will be lived > > > > > > spontaneously in accord with the natural law of the land. No > > > > > > culture will overshadow any other culture. The whole world family > > > > > > will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures. With the full > > > > > > blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect. > > > > > > Heaven on Earth will be characterized by a perfect civilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a > > > > > > > nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family > > > > > > > of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national > > > > > > > > characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be > > > > > > > > enjoyed by every nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be > > > > > > > > > characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need > > > > > > > > > to prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will > > > > > > > > > be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in > > > > > > > > > every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a > > > > > > > > > natural feature of national life. No negativity will arise > > > > > > > > > and no enemy will be born for any nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be > > > > > > > > > > characterized by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace > > > > > > > > > > on all levels of collective life -family, community, > > > > > > > > > > nation, and the world. Heaven on Earth will also be > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfection in all areas of the life of the > > > > > > > > > > individual and society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the > > > > > > > > > > > ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live > > > > > > > > > > > always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing > > > > > > > > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering all the innumerable values of life and > > > > > > > > > > > > living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all > > > > > > > > > > > > good everywhere and non-good nowhere beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > always and everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to > > > > > > > > > > > > > know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfection, complete balance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical, material, environment, and cosmic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality of life everywhere in this beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world when weakness and suffering is not found > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > Heaven > on Earth > > > > > > The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of > > > Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of > > > life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the > > > altar of Godone's own Godthrough one's own religion. > > > Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of GodNatural > > > Lawand enjoying Heaven on Earth.'Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > > Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the > > > > highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if > > > > Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough > > > > individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, > > > > individuals whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with > > > > the supreme intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe > > > > and upholds all of creation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and > > > > > it's infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's > > > > > functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by > > > > > > cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the > > > > > > richness of its natural cultural dignity. Life will be lived > > > > > > spontaneously in accord with the natural law of the land. No > > > > > > culture will overshadow any other culture. The whole world family > > > > > > will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures. With the full > > > > > > blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect. > > > > > > Heaven on Earth will be characterized by a perfect civilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a > > > > > > > nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family > > > > > > > of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national > > > > > > > > characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be > > > > > > > > enjoyed by every nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be > > > > > > > > > characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need > > > > > > > > > to prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will > > > > > > > > > be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in > > > > > > > > > every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a > > > > > > > > > natural feature of national life. No negativity will arise > > > > > > > > > and no enemy will be born for any nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be > > > > > > > > > > characterized by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace > > > > > > > > > > on all levels of collective life -family, community, > > > > > > > > > > nation, and the world. Heaven on Earth will also be > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfection in all areas of the life of the > > > > > > > > > > individual and society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the > > > > > > > > > > > ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live > > > > > > > > > > > always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing > > > > > > > > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering all the innumerable values of life and > > > > > > > > > > > > living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all > > > > > > > > > > > > good everywhere and non-good nowhere beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > always and everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to > > > > > > > > > > > > > know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfection, complete balance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > levels of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical, material, environment, and cosmic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality of life everywhere in this beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world when w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > ¨ > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough > > to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some > > might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might > > have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are > > disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. > > > Good story. > Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these > settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked > sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to > sit. > > And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been > cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply > spiritually lazy. > > Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame. > Come, O Thou traveler unknown Whom still I hold, but cannot see; My company before is gone, And I am left alone with Thee With Thee all night I mean to stay, And wrestle till the break of day. In vain Thou strugglest to get free, I never will unloose my hold; Art Thou the Unified Field? The secret of Thy love unfold. Wrestling, I will not let Thee go, Till I Thy name, Thy nature know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks to Doc
Happy New Year to you too, Doc, and happy retirement as well. I don't remember the cinder block garage at KC CAE but it sounds ghastly. Glad you all eventually got rooms in the CAE. I remember a lot of pastel colors (-: Also thanks for tip about chanting on Maharishi Channel. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Ah yes, the KC Art Museum! One of the best in the country that I have seen! A magical place! There was a lot of wildlife and serenity at that CAE. You are the first person I have heard of who stayed there once it was completed! - I left when the building was 90% complete. If you passed a strawberry and apple juice stand coming into the property, on the left, that was my original living quarters, with six or seven other staffers. It was a cinder block garage that we put a 55 gallon drum in the center of. We also had a cold water shower. In the winter, we would throw coal into the drum until it glowed red hot, to try to keep the garage and ourselves, warm. Slept fully clothed, with down jacket and boots, inside a down sleeping bag, and it was *still* cold. During the day we worked in below freezing temperatures on the building construction site. God help you if you tore a hole in your boot, and got your foot wet. Ate a lot of sub-par vegetarian grub. It was like living in Siberia. But I was young and strong, and there was great camaraderie amongst us serfs, so it was always more adventure, than hardship. Later as the building completed, we got to move into rooms there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > 20 years ago me and my MA in SCI classmates and Ken and Wendy Cavanaugh > stayed at the Kansas City CAE. Wendy took us to the wonderful art museum in > KC and Ken took his students to some monetary place. The CAE was on a > beautiful piece of land and we decorated a Christmas tree and saw a herd of > deer running across the front lawn. There was snow on the ground. It was > quite wonderful (-: > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
ts with but a tiny > wandering monk in the corner. > > Death takes the glove off, but I'm not hankering for another. That's > the value of silence. It is so obviously real, that "love of the glove" > becomes merely an offer of a tawdry miring in delusional incarceration. > > Edg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > Mjackson740, > > > > > > I think any "intent" is devolving, but if one is going to insist on > > being "one," (an individuality) then bhakti is probably a safe way to > > spend your "identity dollar." Ramana Maharshi says that the mantra > must > > be accompanied by the devotional substrate-dynamic, so I'm going to go > > with that opinion, but note that Ramana rejects all techniques as > > secondary compared to direct realization of the Self. > > > > > > To ask "Who am I?" instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance > when > > it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it a > > ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with > > identification "in hand," so to speak, without an object of > > consciousness to assign as "hey, that there is 'me,'" there's a chance > > then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and > > that's a very good thing if you ask me. > > > > > > Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot > > gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the > > soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind. > > > > > > Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's > > "someone to love God," yes, that works, and then, if successful, one > can > > remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to > full > > Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest. > > > > > > Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were > > instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a > mush > > that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as > if, > > returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments. > > > > > > A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda > > > > > > As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic, > > h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I "work the heart" in > daily > > life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's > > lack of it. > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the > > process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last > months > > - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as > > effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM > > long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not > > everyone, but a lot do. > > > > > > > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > > > > > > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know > what > > you think of this part: > > > > > > > > > > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > > > > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual > progress > > > > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in > many > > > > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition > > of some > > > > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's > > life, and no > > > > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > > > > Haven't you ever > > > > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so > heartless, > > especially > > > > the administrators the early courses? It was because their > > mechanical > > > > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, > > not opening > > > > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a > > sort of > > > > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have > the > > same > > > > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly > > evolved, it is > > > > beca
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; being "one," (an individuality) then bhakti is probably a safe way to > spend your "identity dollar." Ramana Maharshi says that the mantra must > be accompanied by the devotional substrate-dynamic, so I'm going to go > with that opinion, but note that Ramana rejects all techniques as > secondary compared to direct realization of the Self. > > > > To ask "Who am I?" instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance when > it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it a > ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with > identification "in hand," so to speak, without an object of > consciousness to assign as "hey, that there is 'me,'" there's a chance > then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and > that's a very good thing if you ask me. > > > > Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot > gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the > soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind. > > > > Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's > "someone to love God," yes, that works, and then, if successful, one can > remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to full > Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest. > > > > Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were > instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a mush > that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as if, > returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments. > > > > A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda > > > > As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic, > h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I "work the heart" in daily > life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's > lack of it. > > > > Edg > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ > wrote: > > > > > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the > process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months > - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as > effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM > long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not > everyone, but a lot do. > > > > > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > > > > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what > you think of this part: > > > > > > > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > > > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > > > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > > > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition > of some > > > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's > life, and no > > > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > > > Haven't you ever > > > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, > especially > > > the administrators the early courses? It was because their > mechanical > > > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, > not opening > > > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a > sort of > > > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the > same > > > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly > evolved, it is > > > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > > > > > > > Â > > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of > TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a > "nothing technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the > movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my o
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > Who were these "white trash rednecks"? Did these type of people have a > > tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like > > these "would never enter the Movement again" due to the re-certification > > process? What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ > > someone "outside of the Movement" when he was clearly very much inside the > > Movement for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a > > teacher? That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. > > Or did your response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe > > containing nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical > > questions Nab. > > I want to know what you mean here. > > No you don't Ann. I've posted several answers to your questions before and > receiving only gibberish as a response, so I will not even try again. Okee dokee. >
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Hey Edg, Nice post. I especially liked part That is something I've never thought of. Now, at the risk of sounding stupid, is this sort of the encapsulated version of "Advaita". I've never really understood it before, or had the motivation to try to figure it out. But you've come up with such a concise description, that I can get my head around it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > Mjackson740, > > I think any "intent" is devolving, but if one is going to insist on being "one," (an individuality) then bhakti is probably a safe way to spend your "identity dollar." Ramana Maharshi says that the mantra must be accompanied by the devotional substrate-dynamic, so I'm going to go with that opinion, but note that Ramana rejects all techniques as secondary compared to direct realization of the Self. > > To ask "Who am I?" instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance when it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it a ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with identification "in hand," so to speak, without an object of consciousness to assign as "hey, that there is 'me,'" there's a chance then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and that's a very good thing if you ask me. > > Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind. > > Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's "someone to love God," yes, that works, and then, if successful, one can remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to full Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest. > > Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a mush that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as if, returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments. > > A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda > > As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic, h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I "work the heart" in daily life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's lack of it. > > Edg > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: > > > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. > > > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: > > > > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no > > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > > Haven't you ever > > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially > > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening > > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > > > > Â > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing technique" that it didn't even dent
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > Who were these "white trash rednecks"? Did these type of people have a > tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like these > "would never enter the Movement again" due to the re-certification process? > What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ someone > "outside of the Movement" when he was clearly very much inside the Movement > for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a teacher? > That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. Or did your > response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe containing > nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical questions Nab. I want to know what you mean here. No you don't Ann. I've posted several answers to your questions before and receiving only gibberish as a response, so I will not even try again.
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Mjackson740, I think any "intent" is devolving, but if one is going to insist on being "one," (an individuality) then bhakti is probably a safe way to spend your "identity dollar." Ramana Maharshi says that the mantra must be accompanied by the devotional substrate-dynamic, so I'm going to go with that opinion, but note that Ramana rejects all techniques as secondary compared to direct realization of the Self. To ask "Who am I?" instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance when it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it a ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with identification "in hand," so to speak, without an object of consciousness to assign as "hey, that there is 'me,'" there's a chance then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and that's a very good thing if you ask me. Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind. Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's "someone to love God," yes, that works, and then, if successful, one can remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to full Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest. Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a mush that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as if, returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments. A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic, h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I "work the heart" in daily life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's lack of it. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of > processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired > also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many > people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or > become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think > of this part: > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > Haven't you ever > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > From: Duveyoung > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 > hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so > much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > something -
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Feste37, My main bitch is that the promise was that we'd all get to be psychologically healthy, wise, deep, good, righteous, just, positive, supportive etc. etc. Jerry Seinfeld started off already accomplished -- he simply cannot be used as an example. I personally, if anything, after 30 years, was more cranky, more frustrated, less inclined to patience, mired in blaming, socially ungainly, as narcissistic as always, and on and on, my list of "things I want to get out of my personality" NEVER CHANGED. No lines drawn through any of the items on my to-do list. Flat out I tell you I know NO ONE who changed from TM in any way that "life happening" wouldn't account for. TM was sold to us on the basis of fulfilling desires in daily life. That's how we were taught to "sell TM." Then, my life crumbled in a perfect storm of THREE major disasters simultaneously, and it was obvious that TM had not prepared me for the scenario. Not. In. The. Least. From then on, I could not deny that I had not gained anything from TM except maybe I could get to a state of lesser excitation quicker than non-meditators. I quit TM within a year of that. But, it could be argued that TM got me "far enough," such that my fervor for realization was strengthened enough such that my intellect could profit from my studies of Advaita. Like that. Who knows? But, me, I took it personally. I blamed Maharishi and Girish for being frauds who took a pretty good technique and promised everything -- "step right up and see the hoochy choochy girls for one dollar you spiritual hicks from the sticks." Of all the people I taught TM, less than 10% were still doing it a year later -- the results, if any, are not obvious to the massesor to psychometrics. Emperor's new clothes and all that. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something > doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise > is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue > them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make > the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. > Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term > meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that > at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM > practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and > this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me > decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process > > of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have > > tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so > > many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses > > or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. > > > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you > > think of this part: > > > > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and > > no > > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > > Haven't you ever > > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, > > especially > > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not > > opening > > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Duveyoung > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > > > > "re-certification" which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever > made - > > Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest > of the TM-teachers at heart ! > Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of > dead-wood not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash > rednecks could never enter the Movement again. > As such the new structure proved very successful. Who were these "white trash rednecks"? Did these type of people have a tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like these "would never enter the Movement again" due to the re-certification process? What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ someone "outside of the Movement" when he was clearly very much inside the Movement for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a teacher? That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. Or did your response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe containing nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical questions Nab. I want to know what you mean here. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > Are you kidding? The schism has already taken place - there are former TM > teachers all over the place who either teach their own brand of meditation or > teach TM without the Movement and its "re-certification" which in my opinion > was one of the sleazier moves M ever made - making tried and true teachers > pay to get re-certified. I mean, Jerry Jarvis needs to get re-certified? > March-y must-a needed to get one of his nephews a new gold Bently for his > birthday. Well that is true, but I was talking about what would be considered a rival organisation. Like the Reformation. But your point is taken. Robin's group was essentially a splinter group, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar might be considered a splinter group, but he does not seem to be teaching TM but a breathing technique, he just went off on his own thing.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > > > > "re-certification" which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever > made - > > Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest > of the TM-teachers at heart ! > Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of > dead-wood not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash > rednecks could never enter the Movement again. > As such the new structure proved very successful. > Oh, and Happy New Year ! :-)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > "re-certification" which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever made - Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest of the TM-teachers at heart ! Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of dead-wood not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash rednecks could never enter the Movement again. As such the new structure proved very successful.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
> > Heaven on > > > > The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of > > Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of > > life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the > > altar of Godone's own Godthrough one's own religion. > > Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of GodNatural > > Lawand enjoying Heaven on Earth.'Maharishi > > > > > > > > Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the > > > highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if > > > Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough > > > individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals > > > whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with the supreme > > > intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe and upholds all > > > of creation. > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and it's > > > > infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's > > > > functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by > > > > > cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the richness > > > > > of its natural cultural dignity. Life will be lived spontaneously in > > > > > accord with the natural law of the land. No culture will overshadow > > > > > any other culture. The whole world family will be a beautiful mosaic > > > > > of different cultures. With the full blossoming of culture on earth, > > > > > civilization will be perfect. Heaven on Earth will be characterized > > > > > by a perfect civilization. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a > > > > > > nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family > > > > > > of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national > > > > > > > characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be > > > > > > > enjoyed by every nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be > > > > > > > > characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need to > > > > > > > > prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will be on > > > > > > > > the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in every > > > > > > > > country will be so strong that invincibility will be a natural > > > > > > > > feature of national life. No negativity will arise and no > > > > > > > > enemy will be born for any nation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be characterized > > > > > > > > > by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace on all levels > > > > > > > > > of collective life -family, community, nation, and the world. > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth will also be characterized by perfection in > > > > > > > > > all areas of the life of the individual and society. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the > > > > > > > > > > ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live > > > > > > > > > > always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing > > > > > > > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering all the innumerable values of life and > > > > > > > > > > > living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all good > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere and non-good nowhere beautiful sunshine of > > > > > > > > > > > the Age of Enlightenment for everyone always and > > > > > > > > > > > everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be > > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to > > > > > > > > > > > > know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is > > > > > > > > > > > > > characterized by perfection, complete balance and > > > > > > > > > > > > > integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all levels > > > > > > > > > > > > > of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical, material, environment, and cosmic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality of life everywhere in this beautiful world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when weakness and suffering is not found anywhere, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and everyone in the world enjoys real freedom in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bliss and fulfillment. This Heaven on Earth is now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to be rea
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Are you kidding? The schism has already taken place - there are former TM teachers all over the place who either teach their own brand of meditation or teach TM without the Movement and its "re-certification" which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever made - making tried and true teachers pay to get re-certified. I mean, Jerry Jarvis needs to get re-certified? March-y must-a needed to get one of his nephews a new gold Bently for his birthday. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > >> wrote: > >> > >>> 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra > >>> practice; so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to > >>> it. I will only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to > >>> first clarify an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are > >>> related. Because mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves > >>> or vibrations in ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a > >>> somewhat crude metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held > >>> electrical vibrators that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of > >>> holding such a vibrator in contact with the surface of a pool of water. > >>> It would impart very regular pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the > >>> water. Focusing on those patterns of ripples could easily take you into a > >>> state of relaxation. This is one facet of how mantra works. Its > >>> repetitive nature sets up rhythmic ripples throughout the meditator's > >>> whole consciousness. The meditator then focuses on the regularity of > >>> those ripples and rides them into deeper and deeper levels of relaxation, > >>> concentration and integration. > > > > > > Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt > > > from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone > > > with direct experience knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that > > > at least he tries. > > Well, this is not how TM was explained to me, but it is someone else's > attempt to understand it. This idea is nice, but I would say the part where > he says the meditator 'focuses' is not correct. Most people who have not done > TM tend to make that error of assuming there is some kind of focus. Actually > there is, coming back to the mantra, but the aim is to make any adjustment in > meditation as non focused as possible to avoid concentration, which you learn > how from checking. However the idea of regularity of the ripples riding > inward seems a plausible description, but it happens automatically, not by > focus. > > Another mindfulness advocate, Adyashanti also makes a similar error in > describing mantra meditation (he does not seem to write directly of TM), yet > interestingly when he describes meditation, it sounds nearly exactly like TM > in being non-concentrative, relaxed, and letting go, just minus a mantra, and > he does not mind if people are using a mantra, he does not seem to mind if > people are doing different kinds of meditation as long as there are results. > > There is always difficulty describing a mental process that is entirely > experiential. In 1955 MMY referred to TM as 'mind control' though of course > he did not mean control by virtue of force, but by virtue of a process that > allows the mind to naturally collect itself. On the outer level however, in > the TMO today and of yesterday, we see a lot of practices of mind control - > not meditation - but systems that attempt to force conformity to various > kinds of behaviour. Reminds me of George Orwell's novel 1984 with far more > than a passing resemblance. > > I have this idea that the 'purity of the teaching' is really just knowing how > to completely let go, something every great spiritual sage seems to know, but > strange to say, there seems to be a lot of structure surrounding getting > someone to experience how. But another factor seems to arise in spiritual > movements as a result of that necessity of some kind of structured teaching. > And that is what I call 'purity of the learning'. Somehow, spiritual > organisations deteriorate in a way that involves seeing learners as objects > which must conform to a certain view of how they understand a teaching, and > that view is the view that 'the management' collectively holds to be true. As > time goes on, if the practice is working, people become freer on the inside, > but find the environment of the spiritual philosophy becoming more and more > rigid and irrational and controlling. This is what a lot of meditators feel > about the TMO, TM is great but the TMO - yuk! > > At some point this process of increasing rigidity and control implodes into > the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" >> wrote: >> >>> 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; >>> so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will >>> only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify >>> an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because >>> mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in >>> ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude >>> metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators >>> that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in >>> contact with the surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular >>> pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those >>> patterns of ripples could easily take you into a state of relaxation. This >>> is one facet of how mantra works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic >>> ripples throughout the meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then >>> focuses on the regularity of those ripples and rides them into deeper and >>> deeper levels of relaxation, concentration and integration. > > > > Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt > > from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with > > direct experience knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that at > > least he tries. Well, this is not how TM was explained to me, but it is someone else's attempt to understand it. This idea is nice, but I would say the part where he says the meditator 'focuses' is not correct. Most people who have not done TM tend to make that error of assuming there is some kind of focus. Actually there is, coming back to the mantra, but the aim is to make any adjustment in meditation as non focused as possible to avoid concentration, which you learn how from checking. However the idea of regularity of the ripples riding inward seems a plausible description, but it happens automatically, not by focus. Another mindfulness advocate, Adyashanti also makes a similar error in describing mantra meditation (he does not seem to write directly of TM), yet interestingly when he describes meditation, it sounds nearly exactly like TM in being non-concentrative, relaxed, and letting go, just minus a mantra, and he does not mind if people are using a mantra, he does not seem to mind if people are doing different kinds of meditation as long as there are results. There is always difficulty describing a mental process that is entirely experiential. In 1955 MMY referred to TM as 'mind control' though of course he did not mean control by virtue of force, but by virtue of a process that allows the mind to naturally collect itself. On the outer level however, in the TMO today and of yesterday, we see a lot of practices of mind control - not meditation - but systems that attempt to force conformity to various kinds of behaviour. Reminds me of George Orwell's novel 1984 with far more than a passing resemblance. I have this idea that the 'purity of the teaching' is really just knowing how to completely let go, something every great spiritual sage seems to know, but strange to say, there seems to be a lot of structure surrounding getting someone to experience how. But another factor seems to arise in spiritual movements as a result of that necessity of some kind of structured teaching. And that is what I call 'purity of the learning'. Somehow, spiritual organisations deteriorate in a way that involves seeing learners as objects which must conform to a certain view of how they understand a teaching, and that view is the view that 'the management' collectively holds to be true. As time goes on, if the practice is working, people become freer on the inside, but find the environment of the spiritual philosophy becoming more and more rigid and irrational and controlling. This is what a lot of meditators feel about the TMO, TM is great but the TMO - yuk! At some point this process of increasing rigidity and control implodes into the central tenets and practices for which the organisation was created and they become corrupted. So far TM, which is so very standarised in instruction has escaped this process. The increasing focus the organisation has on the memory and person of MMY though I think is a danger sign. Look what happened to Jesus. We do not know what he taught exactly. We know how the generations that followed viewed him and his mission, and if you compare the remaining records of what he supposedly said with the organisations that exist in his name today, the discrepancy is incredible. It is said in the Bible that Jesus would baptise one into spirit, not water, as John before him. So what
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
I used to tune in sometimes, when MMY was still live, and really liked it when he got around to answering questions. However, occasionally it would be a full, excruciating hour of either Bevan or Hagelin. Like attending what you think is a concert by, say, Led Zeppelin, only to see, instead, at the last minute, a Led Zep *tribute* band.:-) On the other hand, from Maharishi TV, I somehow recorded the entire coronation of the rajas ceremony, primarily Vedic Hymns, and that is priceless to me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > There are women - Raj Rajeshwaris . 99 percent of what you read here is > > regurgitated fabrications. You can find out more in the Global Family Chat > > archives or by watching the broadcast most days if you are interested- > > channel 3 > > > > http://www.maharishichannel.in/index.php > > When asked a question from FFL, Jerry Jarvis said he got all the information > he needed from Maharishi Channel. > Wise man. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: > > There are women - Raj Rajeshwaris . 99 percent of what you read here is > regurgitated fabrications. You can find out more in the Global Family Chat > archives or by watching the broadcast most days if you are interested- > channel 3 > http://www.maharishichannel.in/index.php When asked a question from FFL, Jerry Jarvis said he got all the information he needed from Maharishi Channel. Wise man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; > > so why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will > > only discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify > > an even deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because > > mantra is a repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in > > ones consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude > > metaphor. You are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators > > that are used for massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in > > contact with the surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular > > pleasing patterns of ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those > > patterns of ripples could easily take you into a state of relaxation. This > > is one facet of how mantra works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic > > ripples throughout the meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then > > focuses on the regularity of those ripples and rides them into deeper and > > deeper levels of relaxation, concentration and integration. > > Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt from > the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with direct > experience knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that at least he > tries.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
There are women - Raj Rajeshwaris . 99 percent of what you read here is regurgitated fabrications. You can find out more in the Global Family Chat archives or by watching the broadcast most days if you are interested- channel 3 http://www.maharishichannel.in/index.php --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire > women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy > costumes and give their money away to the TMO? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, > > 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, > > so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check > > and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > > to their wives. > > > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like > > that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human > > in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to > > sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so > > who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do > > with their money and how they treat their minions. > > > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment > > in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for > > more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at > > least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their > > gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to > > approach the rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They > > smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, > > because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only > > people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. > > > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used > > to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is > > just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological > > excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. > > > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > > respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's > > machinations. > > > > Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a > > meeting that was sort of "thrown together quickly in a very small venue" > > and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only > > a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to > > Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of > > listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > 'Most people find this much harder to do than the simple mantra practice; so > why bother? The answer to that question has many sides to it. I will only > discuss one here. But before I can do that, we need to first clarify an even > deeper way in which mantra and mindfulness are related. Because mantra is a > repetitive rhythm, it sets up periodic waves or vibrations in ones > consciousness. Let me try to explain this with a somewhat crude metaphor. You > are probably familiar with hand-held electrical vibrators that are used for > massage. Imagine the effect of holding such a vibrator in contact with the > surface of a pool of water. It would impart very regular pleasing patterns of > ripples throughout the water. Focusing on those patterns of ripples could > easily take you into a state of relaxation. This is one facet of how mantra > works. Its repetitive nature sets up rhythmic ripples throughout the > meditator's whole consciousness. The meditator then focuses on the regularity > of those ripples and rides them into deeper and deeper levels of relaxation, > concentration and integration. Xeno, are you a TM-teacher ? I ask because just as laudable the attempt from the above Buddhist to explain what TM is and how it works, anyone with direct experiece knows the above is incorrect. But I applaude that he at least t
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
that was hilarious - thanks for that - I needed a laugh today From: raunchydog To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > I have to argue with you on that - first of all I said not all, but a lot. Of > course not all long term TM'ers are ineffective in life, just at not all TM > teacher turn into unpleasant people like the TMO leaders often do - I have > for example praised Jerry Jarvis with whom I had limited interaction but for > his status in the Movement at the time he was a real fine fellow - he treated > me and the other meditators at the Atlanta Center very well - he was not > aloof, arrogant or dismissive of people who were not of his "rank" within the > Movement. > > On the opposite end of the scale I also had dealings with Gene Speigel, Susan > Humphries, Chris Crowell, Greg Wilson and his wife Georgina who were all > aloof, arrogant, unpleasant and Georgina W. looked me right dead in my eyes > and told me a flat out lie. The behavior of A LOT of long time TM'ers in > leadership roles is not what one would expect of ANYONE who did TM if TM had > the effect it is advertised to have. > > As a former MIU faulty member you cannot seriously deny the sloth and > inefficiency that existed in that place and in most Movement facilites - the > stories of this are legion - I am speaking from experience. I lived and and > dealt with it on a daily basis. > > I acknowledge that there are long time TM'ers who are successful like > Seinfeld. I don't know what it is that makes the phenomenon occur of the TM > walking dead - but please don't deny it exists. There are too many people who > post here who can vouch for the TM brain dead - having said that some of them > I like and had good friendships with. > MJ: TM does not work as advertized. RD: uh-huh... MJ: I've seen walking dead people. RD: uh-hun...continue... MJ: Stories of their slothfulness are legion. RD: How so? MJ: They are brain dead. RD: I'm starting to get the picture. MJ: Earl Kaplan says they are disconnected from their hearts. RD: I've got it! MJ: Got what? RD: Zombies! You're talking about fucking Zombies! MJ: You're full of shit. RD: No, no, really. Listen, MJ we have to *do* something about this before it's too late. MJ: Too late for what? RD: The Zombie apocalypse. MJ: You're starting to scare me. RD: Don't you get it? Zombies eat brains! MJ: Yes! And TM makes you brain dead! OMG this is worse than I thought. RD: Exactly. MJ: What should we do? RD: Have dinner. MJ: What? RD: I'm thinking Fava beans and a nice Tuscan chianti. > But the point is that TM is SUPPOSED to lead to "excellence in action" it is > ADVERTISED to improve life in many respects including ones performance of > one's allotted duty so to speak and IF TM were truly the universal balm > universally appropriate for everyone with the same effect in everyone them we > should expect that everyone should do TM and become as successful as Jerry > Seinfeld and Clint Eastwood. > > TM proponents claim that TM leads to many physiological benefits like lower > blood pressure, improved heart functioning and so forth. Is it out of bounds > to assume that the mental/emotional and behavioral benefits advertised by the > TMO would also be universally seen in all populations that do TM? > > Yet the benefits are not seen universally therefore I personally have no > choice but to conclude that TM does not perform as advertised. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something > > doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise > > is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue > > them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to > > make the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term > > basis. Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many > > long-term meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not > > convinced of that at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about > > his 40-year TM practice. Thousands of other very successful people are > > long-term TMers, and this association between ineffectiveness and long-term > > TM seems to me decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: &g
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
y do > > > so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like > > > asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot > > > do. > > > > > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > > > > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you > > > think of this part: > > > > > > > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > > > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > > > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > > > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > > > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, > > > and no > > > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > > > Haven't you ever > > > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, > > > especially > > > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > > > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not > > > opening > > > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > > > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > > > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it > > > is > > > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Duveyoung > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > > > > > > > Â > > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, > > > 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a > > > "nothing technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the > > > movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, > > > then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique > > > that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > > > > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > > > > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > > > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, > > > so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > > > > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > > > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > > > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, > > > and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the > > > check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > > > > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > > > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even > > > nice to their wives. > > > > > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person > > > making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the > > > streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself > > > real. BAH! > > > > > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and > > > privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et > > > alia. > > > > > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human > > > in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to > > > sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, > > > so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what > > > they do with their money and how they treat their minions. > > > > > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > > > funneled into their personaliti
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many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Duveyoung > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > > > > Â > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, > > 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, > > so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check > > and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > > to their wives. > > > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like > > that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human > > in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to > > sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so > > who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do > > with their money and how they treat their minions. > > > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment > > in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for > > more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at > > least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their > > gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to > > approach the rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They > > smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, > > because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only > > people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. > > > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used > > to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is > > just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological > > excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. > > > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > > respect us or grant us any ri
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote [in response to Duveyoung]: > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of > processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired > also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many > people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or > become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you > think of this part: > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and > no > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > Haven't you ever > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, > especially > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not > opening > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > What do you think about this? While there are various explanations of how heart evolves (recall an earlier post by Card about some new TMO technique involving the heart), I read somewhere that Adyashanti described in general terms that enlightenment unfolds first for the mind (intellect), then the heart, and then the 'gut' (the latter being the release of an existential hold onto life), not that this happens to everybody in the same sequence or in clearly defined steps). This seems to parallel MMYs CC, GC, UC sequence. With TM we do not seem to get a lot of nitty gritty details about how this proceeds, or what kind of experiences one might go through. I mean, if one has a heart of stone, releasing that constriction might be very uncomfortable, because something perhaps very traumatic shut it down. Softening of the heart means some kind of devotion that cracks personal boundaries and fears. In the TMO this is idea seems to be forced in the direction of adulation and service to MMY, which is now impossible now that he is dead. One can be devoted to an image, an icon of MMY, a memory. But devotion is really just part of any path that one is focused on. You could be devoted to helping others, or devoted to being a more reasonable kind of person. You could be devoted to taking care of injured animals. One thing is sure compassion is not quite the same as empathy or sympathy, which basically bleed you out into some other person's difficulties. To be useful to someone who is in dire straits and suffering because of their delusions or situation (say physical pain), it does no good to get caught up in their misery, you have to be there for them, and, at the same time not appear as some callous bastard. It has been suggested that doctors with poor bedside manners take acting lessons, to avoid these problems. But people who can just 'be there' with you and make a person feel safe is perhaps best of all. As I lay here under the influence of a winter illness, I thought I would see if anybody had written some cogent comparison of the two main forms of meditation, transcendental meditation, and mindfulness. I found the following discussion on a Buddhist web site. What I find remarkable about it is it displays no antagonism toward transcendental meditation, even though this is from a teacher of mindfulness meditation. This is in stark contrast to the TMO practice of always asserting the practice of TM is superior. In fact this author here acknowledges that TM is easier to learn. I find his comparison here really instructive. 'Many people in the West get their first exposure to meditation through what is know as TM or Transcendental Meditation. TM is essentially the classic mantra practice of India presented in a contemporary format, easily accessible to Westerners. Mindfulness meditation is another practice which is growing in popularity in Europe and North America. It is also known as Insight Meditation or Vipassana. As a teacher of Vipassana meditation, I am frequently asked about the relationship between mantra practice and mindfulness. 'On the surface they would seem to be very different, perhaps even antithetical. Typically in TM one leans back against a wall, withdraws from the phenomenal world and repeats a mantra to oneself for perhaps twenty minutes. It's relatively easy and usually brings
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Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of > processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired > also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many > people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or > become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think > of this part: > > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > Haven't you ever > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > What do you think about this? > > > > > ________________ > From: Duveyoung > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 > hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so > much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and > leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > to their wives. > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, > the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human in > that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand > down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who > knows what they've evo
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote [in response to Duveyoung]: > > Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of > processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired > also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many > people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or > become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. > > I appreciate your posting these words. > > I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think > of this part: > > "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition > of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress > whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many > discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some > meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no > unfoldment of true spiritual values. > Haven't you ever > wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially > the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical > repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening > it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of > disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same > feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is > because they are disconnected from their hearts." > > What do you think about this? While there are various explanations of how heart evolves (recall an earlier post by Card about some new TMO technique involving the heart), I read somewhere that Adyashanti described in general terms that enlightenment unfolds first for the mind (intellect), then the heart, and then the 'gut' (the latter being the release of an existential hold onto life), not that this happens to everybody in the same sequence or in clearly defined steps). This seems to parallel MMYs CC, GC, UC sequence. With TM we do not seem to get a lot of nitty gritty details about how this proceeds, or what kind of experiences one might go through. I mean, if one has a heart of stone, releasing that constriction might be very uncomfortable, because something perhaps very traumatic shut it down. Softening of the heart means some kind of devotion that cracks personal boundaries and fears. In the TMO this is idea seems to be forced in the direction of adulation and service to MMY, which is now impossible now that he is dead. One can be devoted to an image, an icon of MMY, a memory. But devotion is really just part of any path that one is focused on. You could be devoted to helping others, or devoted to being a more reasonable kind of person. You could be devoted to taking care of injured animals. One thing is sure compassion is not quite the same as empathy or sympathy, which basically bleed you out into some other person's difficulties. To be useful to someone who is in dire straits and suffering because of their delusions or situation (say physical pain), it does no good to get caught up in their misery, you have to be there for them, and, at the same time not appear as some callous bastard. It has been suggested that doctors with poor bedside manners take acting lessons, to avoid these problems. But people who can just 'be there' with you and make a person feel safe is perhaps best of all. As I lay here under the influence of a winter illness, I thought I would see if anybody had written some cogent comparison of the two main forms of meditation, transcendental meditation, and mindfulness. I found the following discussion on a Buddhist web site. What I find remarkable about it is it displays no antagonism toward transcendental meditation, even though this is from a teacher of mindfulness meditation. This is in stark contrast to the TMO practice of always asserting the practice of TM is superior. In fact this author here acknowledges that TM is easier to learn. I find his comparison here really instructive. 'Many people in the West get their first exposure to meditation through what is know as TM or Transcendental Meditation. TM is essentially the classic mantra practice of India presented in a contemporary format, easily accessible to Westerners. Mindfulness meditation is another practice which is growing in popularity in Europe and North America. It is also known as Insight Meditation or Vipassana. As a teacher of Vipassana meditation, I am frequently asked about the relationship between mantra practice and mindfulness. 'On the surface they would seem to be very different, perhaps even antithetical. Typically in TM one leans back against a wall, withdraws from the phenomenal world and repeats a mantra to oneself for perhaps twenty minutes. It's relatively easy and usually brings immediate calming effects. In mindfulness pr
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Man that is gorgeous - thanks for posting it and the story - I wish Richard > was still around to tell his stories - he passed away in Texas last year - in > addition to his design skill he was a hell of a clarinet player till he lost > hearing in one ear. > > If you decide to read his obit here you will note his family said not one > word about his former affiliation with the TMO > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > ...In Santa Fe there was the Miraculous Staircase. It was located > within a small Catholic chapel, formerly a nunnery, nowadays > called the Loretto Chapel. The story goes like this. The order had > enough money to build the chapel, and even to build a choir loft > overlooking the chapel from which the more tuneful nuns could > sing. But they ran out of money before they could build an actual > way to *get to* this choir loft. So for years the nuns had to sing > from the back pews of the chapel itself. > > Then one day some long-haired, bearded guy wanders by, leading > (no shit) a donkey and carrying a box of carpenter's tools, and asks > for a handout. Noticing that the choir loft lacks a staircase leading > to it, he offers to build it for them. They take him up on his offer. > > The staircase to this day befuddles scientists. It is made from wood > not native to the area. It is constructed entirely organically, with no > nails or artificial elements keeping it together, only pegs carved from > the same wood as the stairs, and no apparent central support. And > then there's the question of what it fuckin' LOOKS LIKE, which is > this (the railing was added much later...the original staircase was > just the stairs you see in the photo): > Then, as the legend goes, the carpenter who build all of this just fuckin' > disappears, without asking for payment. Naturally, the Catholics believe > that it was either St. Joseph, or Jesus himself. Me, I think it's a better > story if it was just a wandering carpenter, someone who took pride in > doing a good job with whatever he built, such that it would bring joy > to other people. Some additional information (from snopes.com)" However it came to be built, the solution to the problem at the Loretto Chapel was a winding staircase in the shape of a helix (which both takes up less space than a conventional stairway and is much more aesthetically appealing). Although winding staircases are somewhat tricky to build because the form is not well-suited to bearing weight and generally requires additional support, the one at Loretto is not quite the miracle of architecture that subsequent legend has made it out to be. For starters, the Loretto staircase was apparently not all that fine a piece of work from a safety standpoint. It was originally built without a railing, presenting a steep descent that reportedly so frightened some of the nuns that they came down the stairway on their hands and knees. Not until several years later did another artisan (Phillip August Hesch) finally add a railing to the staircase. Moreover, the helix shape acted like what it resembles, a big spring, with many visitors reporting that the stairs moved up and down as they trod them. The structure has been closed to public access for several decades now, with various reasons (including a lack of suitable fire exits and "preservation") given for the closure at different times, leading investigator Joe Nickell to note that "There is reason to suspect that the staircase may be more unstable and, potentially, unsafe than some realize." Although the Loretto legend maintains that "engineers and scientists say that they cannot understand how this staircase can balance without any central support" and that by all rights it should have long since collapsed into a pile of rubble, none of that is the case. Wood technologist Forrest N. Easley noted (as reported by the Skeptical Inquirer) that "the staircase does have a central support," an inner wood stringer of such small radius that it "functions as an almost solid pole." As well, Nickell observed when he visited Loretto in 1993 that the structure includes an additional support, "an iron brace or bracket that stabilizes the staircase by rigidly connecting the outer stringer to one of the columns that support the loft." Nickell concluded: "It would thus appear that the Loretto staircase is subject to the laws of physics like any other." As for the wood used in the stairway's construction, it has been identified as spruce, but not a large enough sample has been made available for wood analysts to determine which of the ten spruce species found in North America (and thus precisely where) it came from. That the structure may have built without the use of glue or nails is hardly remarkable â" nails were often an unavailable or precious commodity to builders of earlier eras, who developed a number
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Man that is gorgeous - thanks for posting it and the story - I wish Richard was still around to tell his stories - he passed away in Texas last year - in addition to his design skill he was a hell of a clarinet player till he lost hearing in one ear. If you decide to read his obit here you will note his family said not one word about his former affiliation with the TMO http://www.steedtodd.com/services.asp?page=odetail&id=20328&locid=18 From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Just curious - I met him long after in Atlanta - he was a world > class architect - I saw some of the homes he designed in Atlanta - > made your jaw drop when you say them - some people used to > say his homes had a angelic presence about them. > > Richard claimed to have been the one responsible for getting the > wooden hand rail in the men's dome - he said he wanted it there > for the senior citizens ability to walk up the stairs - Bevan and > some others overruled him on the basis that a curved hand rail > was custom work and would be too expensive - so Richard said > he went behind their backs, ordered the rail without their > knowledge and raided the petty cash fund to pay for it when it > was delivered - he and a few others were installing it and the > higher ups raised hell with him and threw him off the project, > threw him off campus too I think but I am not sure about that. Lovely story. I am just an architecture nut, and get off on not only wonderfully-designed spaces, but the often equally wonder- fully-designed stories of how they got that way. In Santa Fe there was the Miraculous Staircase. It was located within a small Catholic chapel, formerly a nunnery, nowadays called the Loretto Chapel. The story goes like this. The order had enough money to build the chapel, and even to build a choir loft overlooking the chapel from which the more tuneful nuns could sing. But they ran out of money before they could build an actual way to *get to* this choir loft. So for years the nuns had to sing from the back pews of the chapel itself. Then one day some long-haired, bearded guy wanders by, leading (no shit) a donkey and carrying a box of carpenter's tools, and asks for a handout. Noticing that the choir loft lacks a staircase leading to it, he offers to build it for them. They take him up on his offer. The staircase to this day befuddles scientists. It is made from wood not native to the area. It is constructed entirely organically, with no nails or artificial elements keeping it together, only pegs carved from the same wood as the stairs, and no apparent central support. And then there's the question of what it fuckin' LOOKS LIKE, which is this (the railing was added much later...the original staircase was just the stairs you see in the photo): Then, as the legend goes, the carpenter who build all of this just fuckin' disappears, without asking for payment. Naturally, the Catholics believe that it was either St. Joseph, or Jesus himself. Me, I think it's a better story if it was just a wandering carpenter, someone who took pride in doing a good job with whatever he built, such that it would bring joy to other people. > > From: "doctordumbass@..." doctordumbass@... > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:03 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project > near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. > > Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation > for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by > an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back > then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... > > BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. > Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda > craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: > > > > When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard > > Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@" doctordumbass@ > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 31,
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Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do. I appreciate your posting these words. I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think of this part: "One other important point is that the mechanical repetition of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no unfoldment of true spiritual values. Haven't you ever wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is because they are disconnected from their hearts." What do you think about this? From: Duveyoung To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored?
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-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Just curious - I met him long after in Atlanta - he was a world > class architect - I saw some of the homes he designed in Atlanta - > made your jaw drop when you say them - some people used to > say his homes had a angelic presence about them. > > Richard claimed to have been the one responsible for getting the > wooden hand rail in the men's dome - he said he wanted it there > for the senior citizens ability to walk up the stairs - Bevan and > some others overruled him on the basis that a curved hand rail > was custom work and would be too expensive - so Richard said > he went behind their backs, ordered the rail without their > knowledge and raided the petty cash fund to pay for it when it > was delivered - he and a few others were installing it and the > higher ups raised hell with him and threw him off the project, > threw him off campus too I think but I am not sure about that. Lovely story. I am just an architecture nut, and get off on not only wonderfully-designed spaces, but the often equally wonder- fully-designed stories of how they got that way. In Santa Fe there was the Miraculous Staircase. It was located within a small Catholic chapel, formerly a nunnery, nowadays called the Loretto Chapel. The story goes like this. The order had enough money to build the chapel, and even to build a choir loft overlooking the chapel from which the more tuneful nuns could sing. But they ran out of money before they could build an actual way to *get to* this choir loft. So for years the nuns had to sing from the back pews of the chapel itself. Then one day some long-haired, bearded guy wanders by, leading (no shit) a donkey and carrying a box of carpenter's tools, and asks for a handout. Noticing that the choir loft lacks a staircase leading to it, he offers to build it for them. They take him up on his offer. The staircase to this day befuddles scientists. It is made from wood not native to the area. It is constructed entirely organically, with no nails or artificial elements keeping it together, only pegs carved from the same wood as the stairs, and no apparent central support. And then there's the question of what it fuckin' LOOKS LIKE, which is this (the railing was added much later...the original staircase was just the stairs you see in the photo): Then, as the legend goes, the carpenter who build all of this just fuckin' disappears, without asking for payment. Naturally, the Catholics believe that it was either St. Joseph, or Jesus himself. Me, I think it's a better story if it was just a wandering carpenter, someone who took pride in doing a good job with whatever he built, such that it would bring joy to other people. > > From: "doctordumbass@..." doctordumbass@... > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:03 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. > > Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... > > BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: > > > > When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > From: "doctordumbass@" doctordumbass@ > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) >
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Just curious - I met him long after in Atlanta - he was a world class architect - I saw some of the homes he designed in Atlanta - made your jaw drop when you say them - some people used to say his homes had a angelic presence about them. Richard claimed to have been the one responsible for getting the wooden hand rail in the men's dome - he said he wanted it there for the senior citizens ability to walk up the stairs - Bevan and some others overruled him on the basis that a curved hand rail was custom work and would be too expensive - so Richard said he went behind their backs, ordered the rail without their knowledge and raided the petty cash fund to pay for it when it was delivered - he and a few others were installing it and the higher ups raised hell with him and threw him off the project, threw him off campus too I think but I am not sure about that. From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard > Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of > three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost > everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going > on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - > read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with > no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on > the walls though.:-) > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the > first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the > Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad > nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant > hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except > for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't > lose money on many courses. > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS > in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself > into a normal, successful worldly life. > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot > out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when > they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb..
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Ah yes, the KC Art Museum! One of the best in the country that I have seen! A magical place! There was a lot of wildlife and serenity at that CAE. You are the first person I have heard of who stayed there once it was completed! - I left when the building was 90% complete. If you passed a strawberry and apple juice stand coming into the property, on the left, that was my original living quarters, with six or seven other staffers. It was a cinder block garage that we put a 55 gallon drum in the center of. We also had a cold water shower. In the winter, we would throw coal into the drum until it glowed red hot, to try to keep the garage and ourselves, warm. Slept fully clothed, with down jacket and boots, inside a down sleeping bag, and it was *still* cold. During the day we worked in below freezing temperatures on the building construction site. God help you if you tore a hole in your boot, and got your foot wet. Ate a lot of sub-par vegetarian grub. It was like living in Siberia. But I was young and strong, and there was great camaraderie amongst us serfs, so it was always more adventure, than hardship. Later as the building completed, we got to move into rooms there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > 20 years ago me and my MA in SCI classmates and Ken and Wendy Cavanaugh > stayed at the Kansas City CAE. Wendy took us to the wonderful art museum in > KC and Ken took his students to some monetary place. The CAE was on a > beautiful piece of land and we decorated a Christmas tree and saw a herd of > deer running across the front lawn. There was snow on the ground. It was > quite wonderful (-: > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > The naked truth is Mother Divine rules the universe already, so we guys get > to play dress up, to serve Her. No shit, and any guy that doesn't get that is > a moron. PS there's a lot of morons.:-) Love ya Doc. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are > > millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear > > those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, > > > 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a > > > "nothing technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the > > > movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, > > > then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique > > > that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > > > > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > > > > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > > > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, > > > so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > > > > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > > > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > > > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, > > > and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the > > > check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > > > > > > > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > > > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even > > > nice to their wives. > > > > > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person > > > making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the > > > streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself > > > real. BAH! > > > > > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and > > > privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et > > > alia. > > > > > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human > > > in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to > > > sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, > > > so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what > > > they do with their money and how they treat their minions. > > > > > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > > > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > > > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and > > > investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on > > > their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for > > > donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid > > > all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and > > > it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but "hey, try > > > the bean casserole." They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on > > > that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the > > > masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. > > > Vicious cycle that. > > > > > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be > > > used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other > > > techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens > > > physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain > > > that. > > > > > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > > > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > > > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > > > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > > > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > > > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > > > respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's > > > machinations. > > > > > > Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a > > > meeting that was sort of "thrown together quickly in a very small venue" > > > and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe > > > only a 100 people in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
The naked truth is Mother Divine rules the universe already, so we guys get to play dress up, to serve Her. No shit, and any guy that doesn't get that is a moron. PS there's a lot of morons.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire > women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy > costumes and give their money away to the TMO? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, > > 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, > > so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check > > and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > > to their wives. > > > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like > > that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human > > in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to > > sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so > > who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do > > with their money and how they treat their minions. > > > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment > > in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for > > more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at > > least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their > > gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to > > approach the rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They > > smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, > > because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only > > people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. > > > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used > > to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is > > just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological > > excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. > > > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > > respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's > > machinations. > > > > Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a > > meeting that was sort of "thrown together quickly in a very small venue" > > and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only > > a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to > > Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of > > listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the > > words of Maharishi. > > > > Maharishi didn't even twitch, an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
I was not going to be satisfied in this life if I did not find TM or something else just like it, to fulfill the spiritual hunger I felt from a young age. So I am *really* glad someone, anyone, made the technique available. That also goes for the Divine Gifts of the microwave oven, plumbed hot water, the 'net, the miracle of champagne, and CDs, to name a few!:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > LOL - well said - reminds me of something I heard: If you doen't want to > > see it through, don't even begin the spiritual path.:-) > > > Don't know who you replied to here Dr., but sometimes I wonder why the > Masters instructed Maharishi to throw his nets so wide. He commented on the > choise he had once saying he had two choices; staying in the Himalayas > selecting a handfull of serious students or offering the gift of Guru Dev to > the whole world. > He certainly made an interesting descision. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > ¨ > > > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky > > > > enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get > > > > why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the > > > > mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. > > > > Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. > > > > Then they lost on both counts. > > > > > > > > > Good story. > > > Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these > > > settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never > > > liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be > > > able to sit. > > > > > > And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been > > > cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply > > > spiritually lazy. > > > > > > Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
So what is the scoop with the Rajas? Only rich men? No Ranis? Are millionaire women's money not good enough or are they too smart to wear those cheesy costumes and give their money away to the TMO? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 > hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so > much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and > leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > to their wives. > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, > the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human in > that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand > down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who > knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with > their money and how they treat their minions. > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in > gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more > cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least > ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns > the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the > rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They smell your > beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are > always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them > to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to > good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just > not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I > could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's > machinations. > > Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a > meeting that was sort of "thrown together quickly in a very small venue" and > it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 > people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to > Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of > listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the > words of Maharishi. > > Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they > knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya > see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi > was Tat Walla Baba. > > If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent > home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. > > And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more de
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
20 years ago me and my MA in SCI classmates and Ken and Wendy Cavanaugh stayed at the Kansas City CAE. Wendy took us to the wonderful art museum in KC and Ken took his students to some monetary place. The CAE was on a beautiful piece of land and we decorated a Christmas tree and saw a herd of deer running across the front lawn. There was snow on the ground. It was quite wonderful (-: From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard > Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of > three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost > everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going > on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - > read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with > no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on > the walls though.:-) > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the > first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the > Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad > nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant > hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except > for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't > lose money on many courses. > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS > in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself > into a normal, successful worldly life. > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot > out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when > they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the > > most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, > > in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication > > or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of > > themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me > > natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for > > defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that > > something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of > > transgression does not override the seriousness of it. > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
> > > has led to a world wide economic crisis - where is your proof > > > > > > > > > of Gandhi clan corruption other than what you have heard and > > > > > > > > > read? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the > > > > > > > > > Mayan flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are > > > > > > > > > passing on information and judgement about the Gandhis - I > > > > > > > > > don't give damn who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't > > > > > > > > > make it alright for Maharishi and his family to do it too, > > > > > > > > > especially when they have been taking money under false > > > > > > > > > pretenses for decades and then can't even bring themselves to > > > > > > > > > handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest > > > > > > > > > show a low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of > > > > > > > > > mentality that excuses it for the Marshy family while > > > > > > > > > reviling others in India for doing the same thing reminds me > > > > > > > > > of the character of the Emperor Commodus as depicted in the > > > > > > > > > movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question > > > > > > > > > that Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off > > > > > > > > > of for nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does > > > > > > > > > not deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you > > > > > > > > > put all the stories together with public statements and > > > > > > > > > actions (like the scorpion nation episode) you see a > > > > > > > > > consistent picture of an egotistical, childishly egotistical, > > > > > > > > > horny, greedy con artist who created a movement dedicated not > > > > > > > > > to the enlightenment of the world nor the betterment of the > > > > > > > > > individual but to making himself an icon and living a high > > > > > > > > > and luxurious life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are flat out incorrect when you call these things > > > > > > > > > "baseless innuendo". Like I said, back up your words - show > > > > > > > > > us the public information showing that Maharishi was an > > > > > > > > > honest custodian of the funds he received for 57 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run > > > > > > > > > them are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or > > > > > > > > > institutional corruption and dishonesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:03 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin > > > > > > > > > Folks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like > > > > > > > > > India's has been for some time then it should come as no > > > > > > > > > surprise that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold > > > > > > > > > into the country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been > > > > > > > > > single mindedly engaged in self-enrichment and the level of > > > > > > > > > manipulation of all facets of government to their ends and > > > > > > > > > against anyone they imagine to not support those ends is not > > > > > > > > > something that I think you understand. If you were an Indian > > > > > > > > > you would especially given the recent revelations of the > > > > > > > > > miraculous enrichment of a certain person who married into > > > > > > > > > that family. Whatever you claim otherwise is actually based > > > > > > > > > on a lot of baseless innuendo and there is public information > > > > > > > > > to the contrary but you are the sort of person who repeats > > > > > > > > > lies so as to give them credibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to > > > > > > > > > > the organisation over many years, but had no more to do > > > > > > > > > > with it after I got close to an Indian working for the > > > > > > > > > > organisation at a senior level. He confided in me that the > > > > > > > > > > top people close to Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold > > > > > > > > > > during his trips from Europe and USA back to India!! When > > > > > > > > > > he refused they pressured him and made him break down, > > > > > > > > > > threatening he would have no future in the organisation if > > > > > > > > > > he didn't comply. Thus was back in the 90's when Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > was still alive. No wonder the movement in India is rich!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=366529 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
They aren't a waste of time for me, if I read them, but I wonder about their diminishing utility for those who post them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > or you could stop reading the post you think are a waste of time > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:59 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, > savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), > due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to > work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went > on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I > am a member of that club. > > I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when > does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant > trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their > central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their > necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk > to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get > out of the cycle, as you suggested. > > The larger point > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > I agree. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a > > > > total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, > > > > almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the > > > > verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my > > > > TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely > > > > sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in > > > > mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the > > > > *right* posters on the walls though.:-) > > > > > > > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key > > > > TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped > > > > build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of > > > > Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > > > > > > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described > > > > here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the > > > > Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though > > > > thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working > > > > for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. > > > > > > > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO > > > > and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > > > > > > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > > > > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at > > > > the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so > > > > that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of > > > > integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. > > > > > > > > > > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a > > > lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the > > > 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started > > > in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who > > > felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early > > > 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials > > > or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got > > > on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in > > > life. Some
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
or you could stop reading the post you think are a waste of time From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I am a member of that club. I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get out of the cycle, as you suggested. The larger point --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > I agree. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a > > > total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, > > > almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, > > > from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP > > > - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > > > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter > > > with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* > > > posters on the walls though.:-) > > > > > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > > > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build > > > the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. > > > Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > > > > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here > > > ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, > > > blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though > > > thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working > > > for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. > > > > > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > > > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > > > > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > > > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > > > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any > > > BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating > > > myself into a normal, successful worldly life. > > > > > > > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a > > lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the > > 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started > > in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who > > felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early > > 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials > > or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on > > with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. > > Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. > > I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working > > for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with > > Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that > > the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, > > and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. > > > > I feel really
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Sorry, I don't remember him - I was on a support crew from the CAE project near Kansas City, so didn't get to know many of the guys doing the design. Probably my biggest regret from those days was while digging the foundation for the CAE near KC, I found a beautiful pre-Colombian axe head (verified by an archeologist on staff). A real treasure. Unfortunately, had no sense back then and gave it away after leaving. Oh well... BTW, last time I google mapped the KC CAE, it is being torn down for scrap. Fun project while it lasted. Unfortunately, didn't survive the sthapatya veda craze, as it had a, gulp, south facing entrance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard > Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > > Â > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of > three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost > everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going > on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - > read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with > no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on > the walls though.:-) > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the > first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the > Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad > nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant > hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except > for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't > lose money on many courses. > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS > in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself > into a normal, successful worldly life. > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot > out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when > they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the > > most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, > > in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication > > or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of > > themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me > > natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for > > defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that > > something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of > > transgression does not override the seriousness of it. > > > > >
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o > > > > > > > > handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show > > > > > > > > a low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of > > > > > > > > mentality that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling > > > > > > > > others in India for doing the same thing reminds me of the > > > > > > > > character of the Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie > > > > > > > > Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does > > > > > > > > not deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put > > > > > > > > all the stories together with public statements and actions > > > > > > > > (like the scorpion nation episode) you see a consistent picture > > > > > > > > of an egotistical, childishly egotistical, horny, greedy con > > > > > > > > artist who created a movement dedicated not to the > > > > > > > > enlightenment of the world nor the betterment of the individual > > > > > > > > but to making himself an icon and living a high and luxurious > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are flat out incorrect when you call these things "baseless > > > > > > > > innuendo". Like I said, back up your words - show us the public > > > > > > > > information showing that Maharishi was an honest custodian of > > > > > > > > the funds he received for 57 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run > > > > > > > > them are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or > > > > > > > > institutional corruption and dishonesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:03 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin > > > > > > > > Folks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like > > > > > > > > India's has been for some time then it should come as no > > > > > > > > surprise that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold > > > > > > > > into the country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been > > > > > > > > single mindedly engaged in self-enrichment and the level of > > > > > > > > manipulation of all facets of government to their ends and > > > > > > > > against anyone they imagine to not support those ends is not > > > > > > > > something that I think you understand. If you were an Indian > > > > > > > > you would especially given the recent revelations of the > > > > > > > > miraculous enrichment of a certain person who married into that > > > > > > > > family. Whatever you claim otherwise is actually based on a lot > > > > > > > > of baseless innuendo and there is public information to the > > > > > > > > contrary but you are the sort of person who repeats lies so as > > > > > > > > to give them credibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to > > > > > > > > > the organisation over many years, but had no more to do with > > > > > > > > > it after I got close to an Indian working for the > > > > > > > > > organisation at a senior level. He confided in me that the > > > > > > > > > top people close to Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold > > > > > > > > > during his trips from Europe and USA back to India!! When he > > > > > > > > > refused they pressured him and made him break down, > > > > > > > > > threatening he would have no future in the organisation if he > > > > > > > > > didn't comply. Thus was back in the 90's when Maharishi was > > > > > > > > > still alive. No wonder the movement in India is rich!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=366529 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > LOL - well said - reminds me of something I heard: If you doen't want to see > it through, don't even begin the spiritual path.:-) Don't know who you replied to here Dr., but sometimes I wonder why the Masters instructed Maharishi to throw his nets so wide. He commented on the choise he had once saying he had two choices; staying in the Himalayas selecting a handfull of serious students or offering the gift of Guru Dev to the whole world. He certainly made an interesting descision. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > ¨ > > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky > > > enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get > > > why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the > > > mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. > > > Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then > > > they lost on both counts. > > > > > > Good story. > > Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these > > settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked > > sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to > > sit. > > > > And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been > > cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply > > spiritually lazy. > > > > Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
When you worked on the first Dome did you meet a guy by the name of Richard Kilmer - big fella with a big booming voice - he was an architect? From: "doctordumb...@rocketmail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 12:13 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most > bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the > Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. > This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves > into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that > there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, > what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong > because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override > the seriousness of it. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
You bring up a good point regarding the seed of resentment that was planted in you, and continues to blossom. We humans have an innate sense of equality with each other. However, some people are attracted to the idea that they can be part of a social class that is PERMANENTLY superior. As anyone can see, in this world, it is a common mental illness. And, using the examples of class systems in any part of the world, and within any organization, it always produces the same result - those who are placed in the underclass, viscerally hate those placing themselves in the upper class. The underclass is placed in a position of permanent inferiority, with not only no hope of equality or redemption, but also within a social structure that constantly reinforces the inviolable class distinction, to their disadvantage. So, I get it, and I know that it takes a lot of work to regain one's sense of equality in life, after being subjected to that environment. One thing that helps me is recognizing any class distinctions between people as superficial, and frankly, silly - those on the pedestals of their own making become the performing clowns.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 > hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so > much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and > leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > to their wives. > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, > the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human in > that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand > down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who > knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with > their money and how they treat their minions. > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in > gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more > cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least > ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns > the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the > rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They smell your > beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are > always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them > to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to > good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just > not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I > could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, > savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), > due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to > work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went > on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I > am a member of that club. > > I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when > does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant > trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their > central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their > necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk > to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get > out of the cycle, as you suggested. And I agree with you on this. I guess you are right that this leaving the TM or TMO can be a trauma for some. > > The larger point > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > I agree. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a > > > > total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, > > > > almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the > > > > verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my > > > > TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely > > > > sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in > > > > mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the > > > > *right* posters on the walls though.:-) > > > > > > > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key > > > > TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped > > > > build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of > > > > Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > > > > > > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described > > > > here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the > > > > Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though > > > > thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working > > > > for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. > > > > > > > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO > > > > and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > > > > > > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > > > > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at > > > > the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so > > > > that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of > > > > integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. > > > > > > > > > > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a > > > lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the > > > 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started > > > in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who > > > felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early > > > 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials > > > or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got > > > on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in > > > life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional > > > life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and > > > 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have > > > been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the > > > problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: > > > householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or > > > experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the > > > guru. > > > > > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky > > > enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get > > > why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the > > > mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. > > > Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then > > > they lost on both counts. > > > > > > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their T
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LOL - well said - reminds me of something I heard: If you don't want to see it through, don't even begin the spiritual path.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > ¨ > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough > > to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some > > might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might > > have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are > > disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. > > > Good story. > Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these > settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked > sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to > sit. > > And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been > cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply > spiritually lazy. > > Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > ¨ > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough > > to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some > > might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might > > have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are > > disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. > > > Good story. > Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these > settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked > sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to > sit. That was not my experience at all. In fact, I saw many overly devoted folks, who adored sitting still, feel most angry when they decided the TMO was not for them. I admired their honesty. Personally, I was devoted but did not buy into all the things 100%. I kept my own sense of right and wrong because of the way I was built, I guess. I felt less loyal and committed, but knew I could never give up my own values. I spoke up a bit, but then got sucked into making a living and all the TMO stuff seemed far away.That made it easier to stay in, but is, I feel, less honest. Just a different role to play. > > And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been > cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply > spiritually lazy. They saw and heard stuff they felt was dishonest or not true to their vision of what they were doing with their lives. > > Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I am a member of that club. I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get out of the cycle, as you suggested. The larger point --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > I agree. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a > > > total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, > > > almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, > > > from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP > > > - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > > > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter > > > with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* > > > posters on the walls though.:-) > > > > > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > > > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build > > > the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. > > > Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > > > > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here > > > ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, > > > blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though > > > thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working > > > for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. > > > > > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > > > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > > > > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > > > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > > > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any > > > BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating > > > myself into a normal, successful worldly life. > > > > > > > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a > > lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the > > 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started > > in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who > > felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early > > 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials > > or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on > > with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. > > Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. > > I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working > > for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with > > Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that > > the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, > > and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the > > real world as well as lost faith in the guru. > > > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough > > to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some > > might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might > > have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are > > disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. > > > > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and > > > trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, > > > but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > ---
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I agree. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total > > of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost > > everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from > > going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - > > read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter > > with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* > > posters on the walls though.:-) > > > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build > > the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. > > Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad > > nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant > > hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except > > for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't > > lose money on many courses. > > > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS > > in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating > > myself into a normal, successful worldly life. > > > > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot > less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they > were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, > begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in > retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the > TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the > time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and > made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and > would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons > of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation > for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or > values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a > foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without > funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in > the guru. > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough > to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some > might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have > left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed > about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. > > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and > > trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but > > when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > > > > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the > > > most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of > > > themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, > > > sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone > > > has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, > > > wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, > > > a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid > > > excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. > > > Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it. > > > > > > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? > > Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. > > And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 > hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing > technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? > If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are > leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so > they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! > > Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? > > These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, > dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so > much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. > > One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing > something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally > walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and > he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and > leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. > > I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net > worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice > to their wives. > > It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making > $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, > the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! > > And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege > to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. > > This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human in > that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand > down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who > knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with > their money and how they treat their minions. > > And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if > funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished > masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in > gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more > cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least > ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns > the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the > rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They smell your > beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are > always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them > to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. > > Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to > good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just > not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I > could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. > > I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? > Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., > right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual > clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any > discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's > money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't > respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's > machinations. > > Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a > meeting that was sort of "thrown together quickly in a very small venue" and > it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 > people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to > Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of > listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the > words of Maharishi. > > Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they > knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya > see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi > was Tat Walla Baba. > > If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent > home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. > > And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- > which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful toady asshole. > > And that's the cause of all this bitterness you see in my writings -- I did > this to me. 100%
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote: ¨ > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough > to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some > might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have > left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed > about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. Good story. Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually lazy. Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is. And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a "nothing technique" that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said: ASSHOLES! Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW. One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their wives. It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a person making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real. BAH! And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia. This was two decades ago -- who knows, I have gotten "better" as a human in that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand down a lot of their rough spots. Humility can come in an instant, so who knows what they've evolved into by now. The acid test is what they do with their money and how they treat their minions. And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo business deals. And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash EVERY. DAY. Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times a year. Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with anything but "hey, try the bean casserole." They smell your beggary from 100 feet away. So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with. Vicious cycle that. Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam. The technique probably can be used to good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just not clear. I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that. I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever honored? Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right? Ask L.B., right? The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's machinations. Here's one symbolic moment for me: on teacher training, Maharishi had a meeting that was sort of "thrown together quickly in a very small venue" and it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 people in the room. This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of Maharishi. Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya see? Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi was Tat Walla Baba. If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place. And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful toady asshole. And that's the cause of all this bitterness you see in my writings -- I did this to me. 100% on me, but if anyone here wants to defend the TMO as guilt-free because "everyone has their integrity and has to own their own karma, so we get to maraud others with fake science, lies, lies and more lies," then I'm probably going
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* "Project Runway"?!!? Makes this cat look like a boy scout... I like the Boy Scout's hat better. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the > > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > > about it !! > > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > > THIS? To me, this says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > http://youtu.be/3sqA--t9XZY Perfect and thank you Raunch. Since I am not a TV watcher I have failed to ever see "Project Runway" but one big difference between the lady with the popcorn stuck to her hip and lightbulbs and cardboard festooned all over he body is that she isn't calling herself a "Raja". I think that makes all the difference. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* "Project Runway"?!!? Makes this cat look like > > a boy scout... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the > > > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > > > about it !! > > > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > > > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > > > THIS? To me, this says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Duveyoung: > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, > knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH > -- both assholesmean assholeshaughty, rude > motherfucking assholes. > You're an asshole for posting this. What was it, the the money? LoL! > Did I make myself clear? I don't know about the others. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of > three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost > everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going > on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - > read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of > $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with > no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on > the walls though.:-) > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO > events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the > first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the > Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad > nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant > hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except > for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't > lose money on many courses. > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and > Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the > time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS > in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself > into a normal, successful worldly life. > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru. I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts. > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot > out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when > they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the > > most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, > > in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication > > or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of > > themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me > > natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for > > defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that > > something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of > > transgression does not override the seriousness of it. > > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > You are right again! Also I do barely remember the separate > bathrooms and drinking fountains - there were some places > in the South that took a while to get rid of them - where > did you grow up, if I may ask? Florida until I started school, and then Albany, Georgia until I was about 14. At that point, my father became a more normal Air Force officer, and we started moving -- first to Morocco, then to El Paso, TX, etc. I've been moving every year or two (with a couple of exceptions) ever since. It kinda gets into your blood. As for the South, I to this day feel grateful to the United States Air Force for sending my father and his family to Morocco at such a formative time in my life. I was plunged into the Third World, and loved every minute of it, getting a real edu- cation in what the rest of the world was like. If I'd grown up in the US -- especially in the South -- I might not have ever known. > > From: turquoiseb > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:13 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > > > > > So when folks like the current version of myself come along > > and say hey! Who IS that man behind the curtain the object > > referral people feel their very soul identity is being > > called into question. > > > > Some people here may find it offensive but drawing on my > > Southern heritage, the rednecks I was raised with could not > > imagine a world where white men were not superior to blacks. > > As my daddy said once, you work with 'em, you tolerate 'em > > but you don't socialize with them. > > > > Any idea of racial equality truly threatened their self > > identity that depended on belief of whites as a superior > > race and you could in some places I have been in the past > > get your ass kicked for offering any other opinion on the > > subject. > > I grew up in the South, too, so I can identify with > your metaphor. Possibly being older than you, I grew > up in an environment in which every restaurant had > two water fountains and four bathrooms, one set of > each for "white" and "colored." > > My parents -- bless them -- didn't think this way. > They thought more along the lines that your daddy > did, and I kinda caught their 'tude from them. I > was once thrown off of a city bus at age ten or so > for wanting to sit in the back row of the bus. I > liked it back there; it was spacious and one could > stretch out and enjoy oneself. But I was white. The > "back of the bus" was for "coloreds." > > The driver literally stopped the bus, got up, walked > back to the back of the bus and threw me off. The > "coloreds" I'd been having a fine time with waved > at me as the bus pulled away. None of the white > folks did. > > I think the metaphor extends to spiritual traditions. > People *get used to shit*. Whether that shit is the > caste system in India or "governors" being "better" > than "mere meditators," it's all shit. Once they > buy into defending the shit, they don't like being > told that it's shit. >
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Simply perfect, and just a teeny bit gross! LOL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > http://youtu.be/3sqA--t9XZY > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* "Project Runway"?!!? Makes this cat look like > > a boy scout... > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the > > > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > > > about it !! > > > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > > > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > > > THIS? To me, this says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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http://youtu.be/3sqA--t9XZY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* "Project Runway"?!!? Makes this cat look like a > boy scout... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the > > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > > about it !! > > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > > THIS? To me, this says it all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* "Project Runway"?!!? Makes this cat look like a boy scout... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > about it !! > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > THIS? To me, this says it all. > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on the walls though.:-) Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-) "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any > > other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the most > bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, in the > Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication or belief. > This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of themselves > into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me natural that > there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, > what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong > because it happens all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override > the seriousness of it. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew > the > > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > > about it !! > > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > > THIS? To me, this says it all. > > > > > > > Oh, that's low, Ann. It's bad enough that the man even has a penis, but > he went out of his way to disgrace our beloved TM Movement by actually > using it. Twice!!! Oh Alex, on form as always. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the > other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt > about it !! > OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that > could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like > THIS? To me, this says it all. > Oh, that's low, Ann. It's bad enough that the man even has a penis, but he went out of his way to disgrace our beloved TM Movement by actually using it. Twice!!!
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eard and > > > > > > > > read? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the > > > > > > > > Mayan flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are > > > > > > > > passing on information and judgement about the Gandhis - I > > > > > > > > don't give damn who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't > > > > > > > > make it alright for Maharishi and his family to do it too, > > > > > > > > especially when they have been taking money under false > > > > > > > > pretenses for decades and then can't even bring themselves to > > > > > > > > handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show > > > > > > > > a low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of > > > > > > > > mentality that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling > > > > > > > > others in India for doing the same thing reminds me of the > > > > > > > > character of the Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie > > > > > > > > Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does > > > > > > > > not deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put > > > > > > > > all the stories together with public statements and actions > > > > > > > > (like the scorpion nation episode) you see a consistent picture > > > > > > > > of an egotistical, childishly egotistical, horny, greedy con > > > > > > > > artist who created a movement dedicated not to the > > > > > > > > enlightenment of the world nor the betterment of the individual > > > > > > > > but to making himself an icon and living a high and luxurious > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are flat out incorrect when you call these things "baseless > > > > > > > > innuendo". Like I said, back up your words - show us the public > > > > > > > > information showing that Maharishi was an honest custodian of > > > > > > > > the funds he received for 57 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run > > > > > > > > them are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or > > > > > > > > institutional corruption and dishonesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:03 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin > > > > > > > > Folks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like > > > > > > > > India's has been for some time then it should come as no > > > > > > > > surprise that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold > > > > > > > > into the country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been > > > > > > > > single mindedly engaged in self-enrichment and the level of > > > > > > > > manipulation of all facets of government to their ends and > > > > > > > > against anyone they imagine to not support those ends is not > > > > > > > > something that I think you understand. If you were an Indian > > > > > > > > you would especially given the recent revelations of the > > > > > > > > miraculous enrichment of a certain person who married into that > > > > > > > > family. Whatever you claim otherwise is actually based on a lot > > > > > > > > of baseless innuendo and there is public information to the > > > > > > > > contrary but you are the sort of person who repeats lies so as > > > > > > > > to give them credibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to > > > > > > > > > the organisation over many years, but had no more to do with > > > > > > > > > it after I got close to an Indian working for the > > > > > > > > > organisation at a senior level. He confided in me that the > > > > > > > > > top people close to Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold > > > > > > > > > during his trips from Europe and USA back to India!! When he > > > > > > > > > refused they pressured him and made him break down, > > > > > > > > > threatening he would have no future in the organisation if he > > > > > > > > > didn't comply. Thus was back in the 90's when Maharishi was > > > > > > > > > still alive. No wonder the movement in India is rich!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=366529 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !! OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like THIS? To me, this says it all. >
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ertain that many crimes have been > > > > > committed by the TMO. > > > > > > > > LOL!! If you know very little, how can you be certain of anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a complete spectrum of silly to evil. > > > > > > > > > > On one end is: On my teacher training, some guy had a car accident > > > > > and they sneaked him out of Spain before the cops could get him. > > > > > There were many tales of cash being illegally moved to other > > > > > countries. > > > > > > > > > > On the other end: Maharishi is said to told someone to drive fast > > > > > and not care about the speed limits. Maharishi gave everyone salt > > > > > and peanuts on the courses even though it was "wrong." > > > > > > > > > > Think about the mind-set of the MUM officials when that guy stabbed > > > > > the other guy. THAT'S HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- cover the movement's > > > > > ass and save face AT ANY COST. > > > > > > > > > > They all just did what they wanted to do and figured out "words for > > > > > it" later. No morality. No righteousness. Just self-serving > > > > > movement besmirching decisions is all. > > > > > > > > > > It is all made-up on the spot. I'll bet Maharishi decided on the > > > > > first set of mantras in about 10 minutes flat. > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is NO lying cheating or stealing by the people in the > > > > > > movement you are slandering so carelessly, where is your proof? > > > > > > Likewise you defame Maharishi with absolutely no proof of any of > > > > > > the kind of wrongdoing that you parrot from others. The fault is in > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea that everyone does it so don't fuss with particular > > > > > > > people who do it is the same kind of bullshit mentality that has > > > > > > > led to the utterly corrupt practices on Wall Street that has led > > > > > > > to a world wide economic crisis - where is your proof of Gandhi > > > > > > > clan corruption other than what you have heard and read? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the Mayan > > > > > > > flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on > > > > > > > information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn > > > > > > > who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for > > > > > > > Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have > > > > > > > been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then > > > > > > > can't even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a > > > > > > > low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality > > > > > > > that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in > > > > > > > India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the > > > > > > > Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does not > > > > > &g
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LOL - well there IS the whole, 'money is the root of all evil' myth... As far as assholes at work, boss, peer, or subordinate, I just call them on their shit, immediately and professionally, if I must. Fail-proof.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other > > > via pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ > > Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it > !! >
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me all day and night for their guru. > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know very little, but I am certain that many crimes have been > > > > > committed by the TMO. > > > > > > > > LOL!! If you know very little, how can you be certain of anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a complete spectrum of silly to evil. > > > > > > > > > > On one end is: On my teacher training, some guy had a car accident > > > > > and they sneaked him out of Spain before the cops could get him. > > > > > There were many tales of cash being illegally moved to other > > > > > countries. > > > > > > > > > > On the other end: Maharishi is said to told someone to drive fast > > > > > and not care about the speed limits. Maharishi gave everyone salt > > > > > and peanuts on the courses even though it was "wrong." > > > > > > > > > > Think about the mind-set of the MUM officials when that guy stabbed > > > > > the other guy. THAT'S HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- cover the movement's > > > > > ass and save face AT ANY COST. > > > > > > > > > > They all just did what they wanted to do and figured out "words for > > > > > it" later. No morality. No righteousness. Just self-serving > > > > > movement besmirching decisions is all. > > > > > > > > > > It is all made-up on the spot. I'll bet Maharishi decided on the > > > > > first set of mantras in about 10 minutes flat. > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is NO lying cheating or stealing by the people in the > > > > > > movement you are slandering so carelessly, where is your proof? > > > > > > Likewise you defame Maharishi with absolutely no proof of any of > > > > > > the kind of wrongdoing that you parrot from others. The fault is in > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea that everyone does it so don't fuss with particular > > > > > > > people who do it is the same kind of bullshit mentality that has > > > > > > > led to the utterly corrupt practices on Wall Street that has led > > > > > > > to a world wide economic crisis - where is your proof of Gandhi > > > > > > > clan corruption other than what you have heard and read? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the Mayan > > > > > > > flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on > > > > > > > information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn > > > > > > > who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for > > > > > > > Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have > > > > > > > been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then > > > > > > > can't even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a > > > > > > > low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality > > > > > > > that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in > > > > > > > India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the > > > > > > > Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > >
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the other via > > pot-lucks. Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨ Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt about it !!
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g? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a complete spectrum of silly to evil. > > > > > > > > > > On one end is: On my teacher training, some guy had a car accident > > > > > and they sneaked him out of Spain before the cops could get him. > > > > > There were many tales of cash being illegally moved to other > > > > > countries. > > > > > > > > > > On the other end: Maharishi is said to told someone to drive fast > > > > > and not care about the speed limits. Maharishi gave everyone salt > > > > > and peanuts on the courses even though it was "wrong." > > > > > > > > > > Think about the mind-set of the MUM officials when that guy stabbed > > > > > the other guy. THAT'S HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- cover the movement's > > > > > ass and save face AT ANY COST. > > > > > > > > > > They all just did what they wanted to do and figured out "words for > > > > > it" later. No morality. No righteousness. Just self-serving > > > > > movement besmirching decisions is all. > > > > > > > > > > It is all made-up on the spot. I'll bet Maharishi decided on the > > > > > first set of mantras in about 10 minutes flat. > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is NO lying cheating or stealing by the people in the > > > > > > movement you are slandering so carelessly, where is your proof? > > > > > > Likewise you defame Maharishi with absolutely no proof of any of > > > > > > the kind of wrongdoing that you parrot from others. The fault is in > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea that everyone does it so don't fuss with particular > > > > > > > people who do it is the same kind of bullshit mentality that has > > > > > > > led to the utterly corrupt practices on Wall Street that has led > > > > > > > to a world wide economic crisis - where is your proof of Gandhi > > > > > > > clan corruption other than what you have heard and read? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the Mayan > > > > > > > flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on > > > > > > > information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn > > > > > > > who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for > > > > > > > Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have > > > > > > > been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then > > > > > > > can't even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a > > > > > > > low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality > > > > > > > that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in > > > > > > > India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the > > > > > > > Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does not > > > > > > > deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put all > > > > > > > the stories together with public statements and actions (like
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It seems to me much more "natural" that the positive should attract the negative. The old 'cosmic balance' thing and all that. Horseshit - Light chases away the shadows - the idea, often perpetrated in New Age circles, that the darkness is attracted to the Light is bullshit - and yeah, I do know that - like attracts like - if he attracted something other than light, it was his own nature. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote: > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Some of your assertions seem suspect to me. Like crazy people flocking to > > the supposedly enlightened or as you say those with an oz of charisma. If > > he were so sattvic and enlightened, no crazy people could get within a mile > > of him - they wouldn't be able to stand the purity. That's the way it works > > - > > You *know* that? How? > > It seems to me much more "natural" that the positive should > attract the negative. The old 'cosmic balance' thing and > all that. > > > so if he said they would flock sounds to me like a fraud knowing what kind > > of energy he's putting out > > > > So going by your example we are to ignore the testimony of the > > skin boys who witnessed him chasing women right and left > > Not at all. Did I say that? But it's sensible to retain > your critical faculties over all testimony, no? I have > read JB - I don't see *him chasing women right and left*. > It seemed to me to be a love story. Frankly I'm not sure > I'd care if he did anyway. > > "He has lovely skin. Poor man, no sex.' Brian Blessed on the > Dalai Lame. What a waste? > > >and also saw first hand the financial manipulations? > > If true, could that not be established in court? > > >Go ahead and keep your fantasy of who you believe he was - he's only been > >dead a few years - as time goes by more and more truth will surface until > >only the truly die hard TM fanatics will ever believe he was anything other > >than a top notch con artist. > > Could it be the world is not so starkly black and white as > you portray? Perhaps even... "relative"? > > I think I am a stranger to MMY "TB". I think you are > not. "The negation of the negation" as they say... >
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ut the mind-set of the MUM officials when that guy stabbed the > > > > other guy. THAT'S HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN -- cover the movement's ass > > > > and save face AT ANY COST. > > > > > > > > They all just did what they wanted to do and figured out "words for it" > > > > later. No morality. No righteousness. Just self-serving movement > > > > besmirching decisions is all. > > > > > > > > It is all made-up on the spot. I'll bet Maharishi decided on the first > > > > set of mantras in about 10 minutes flat. > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > there is NO lying cheating or stealing by the people in the movement > > > > > you are slandering so carelessly, where is your proof? Likewise you > > > > > defame Maharishi with absolutely no proof of any of the kind of > > > > > wrongdoing that you parrot from others. The fault is in yourself. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea that everyone does it so don't fuss with particular people > > > > > > who do it is the same kind of bullshit mentality that has led to > > > > > > the utterly corrupt practices on Wall Street that has led to a > > > > > > world wide economic crisis - where is your proof of Gandhi clan > > > > > > corruption other than what you have heard and read? > > > > > > > > > > > > I read this comment by an English person commenting on the Mayan > > > > > > flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on > > > > > > information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn who > > > > > > else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for > > > > > > Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have > > > > > > been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then can't > > > > > > even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a > > > > > > low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality > > > > > > that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in > > > > > > India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the > > > > > > Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry because > > > > > > what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does not deserve > > > > > > that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put all the stories > > > > > > together with public statements and actions (like the scorpion > > > > > > nation episode) you see a consistent picture of an egotistical, > > > > > > childishly egotistical, horny, greedy con artist who created a > > > > > > movement dedicated not to the enlightenment of the world nor the > > > > > > betterment of the individual but to making himself an icon and > > > > > > living a high and luxurious life. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are flat out incorrect when you call these things "baseless > > > > > > innuendo". Like I said, back up your words - show us the public > > > > > > information showing that Maharishi was an honest custodian of the > > > > > > funds he received for 57 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run them > > > > > > are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or institutional > > > > > > corruption and dishonesty. > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
You are right again! Also I do barely remember the separate bathrooms and drinking fountains - there were some places in the South that took a while to get rid of them - where did you grow up, if I may ask? From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > > So when folks like the current version of myself come along > and say hey! Who IS that man behind the curtain the object > referral people feel their very soul identity is being > called into question. > > Some people here may find it offensive but drawing on my > Southern heritage, the rednecks I was raised with could not > imagine a world where white men were not superior to blacks. > As my daddy said once, you work with 'em, you tolerate 'em > but you don't socialize with them. > > Any idea of racial equality truly threatened their self > identity that depended on belief of whites as a superior > race and you could in some places I have been in the past > get your ass kicked for offering any other opinion on the > subject. I grew up in the South, too, so I can identify with your metaphor. Possibly being older than you, I grew up in an environment in which every restaurant had two water fountains and four bathrooms, one set of each for "white" and "colored." My parents -- bless them -- didn't think this way. They thought more along the lines that your daddy did, and I kinda caught their 'tude from them. I was once thrown off of a city bus at age ten or so for wanting to sit in the back row of the bus. I liked it back there; it was spacious and one could stretch out and enjoy oneself. But I was white. The "back of the bus" was for "coloreds." The driver literally stopped the bus, got up, walked back to the back of the bus and threw me off. The "coloreds" I'd been having a fine time with waved at me as the bus pulled away. None of the white folks did. I think the metaphor extends to spiritual traditions. People *get used to shit*. Whether that shit is the caste system in India or "governors" being "better" than "mere meditators," it's all shit. Once they buy into defending the shit, they don't like being told that it's shit.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" wrote: > > > So when folks like the current version of myself come along > and say hey! Who IS that man behind the curtain the object > referral people feel their very soul identity is being > called into question. > > Some people here may find it offensive but drawing on my > Southern heritage, the rednecks I was raised with could not > imagine a world where white men were not superior to blacks. > As my daddy said once, you work with 'em, you tolerate 'em > but you don't socialize with them. > > Any idea of racial equality truly threatened their self > identity that depended on belief of whites as a superior > race and you could in some places I have been in the past > get your ass kicked for offering any other opinion on the > subject. I grew up in the South, too, so I can identify with your metaphor. Possibly being older than you, I grew up in an environment in which every restaurant had two water fountains and four bathrooms, one set of each for "white" and "colored." My parents -- bless them -- didn't think this way. They thought more along the lines that your daddy did, and I kinda caught their 'tude from them. I was once thrown off of a city bus at age ten or so for wanting to sit in the back row of the bus. I liked it back there; it was spacious and one could stretch out and enjoy oneself. But I was white. The "back of the bus" was for "coloreds." The driver literally stopped the bus, got up, walked back to the back of the bus and threw me off. The "coloreds" I'd been having a fine time with waved at me as the bus pulled away. None of the white folks did. I think the metaphor extends to spiritual traditions. People *get used to shit*. Whether that shit is the caste system in India or "governors" being "better" than "mere meditators," it's all shit. Once they buy into defending the shit, they don't like being told that it's shit.
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erson commenting on the Mayan > > > > > > > flyer articles and I passed it on, much like you are passing on > > > > > > > information and judgement about the Gandhis - I don't give damn > > > > > > > who else lies, cheats and steals it doesn't make it alright for > > > > > > > Maharishi and his family to do it too, especially when they have > > > > > > > been taking money under false pretenses for decades and then > > > > > > > can't even bring themselves to handle the wealth legitimately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I have said before, I believe in results and in manifest > > > > > > > behavior - the kind of behavior that these people manifest show a > > > > > > > low and selfish level of consciousness and the kind of mentality > > > > > > > that excuses it for the Marshy family while reviling others in > > > > > > > India for doing the same thing reminds me of the character of the > > > > > > > Emperor Commodus as depicted in the movie Gladiator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me the public information that shows without question that > > > > > > > Maha was an honest custodian of the funds he lived off of for > > > > > > > nearly 60 years. Back up what you say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe people like Mark Landau, Billy Clayton and Barry > > > > > > > because what they relate about Maharishi (who by the way does not > > > > > > > deserve that title) has the ring of truth AND when you put all > > > > > > > the stories together with public statements and actions (like the > > > > > > > scorpion nation episode) you see a consistent picture of an > > > > > > > egotistical, childishly egotistical, horny, greedy con artist who > > > > > > > created a movement dedicated not to the enlightenment of the > > > > > > > world nor the betterment of the individual but to making himself > > > > > > > an icon and living a high and luxurious life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are flat out incorrect when you call these things "baseless > > > > > > > innuendo". Like I said, back up your words - show us the public > > > > > > > information showing that Maharishi was an honest custodian of the > > > > > > > funds he received for 57 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All governments are corrupt - which means the people who run them > > > > > > > are corrupt and that is no excuse for personal or institutional > > > > > > > corruption and dishonesty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 10:03 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin > > > > > > > Folks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > when you are dealing with an utterly corrupt government like > > > > > > > India's has been for some time then it should come as no surprise > > > > > > > that one has to resort to things like smuggling gold into the > > > > > > > country. The Gandhi clan is the one that has been single mindedly > > > > > > > engaged in self-enrichment and the level of manipulation of all > > > > > > > facets of government to their ends and against anyone they > > > > > > > imagine to not support those ends is not something that I think > > > > > > > you understand. If you were an Indian you would especially given > > > > > > > the recent revelations of the miraculous enrichment of a certain > > > > > > > person who married into that family. Whatever you claim otherwise > > > > > > > is actually based on a lot of baseless innuendo and there is > > > > > > > public information to the contrary but you are the sort of person > > > > > > > who repeats lies so as to give them credibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A comment on the article about the 8,000 flyers in Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I too am a former TM sidha. I gave thousands of pounds to the > > > > > > > > organisation over many years, but had no more to do with it > > > > > > > > after I got close to an Indian working for the organisation at > > > > > > > > a senior level. He confided in me that the top people close to > > > > > > > > Maharishi had asked him to smuggle gold during his trips from > > > > > > > > Europe and USA back to India!! When he refused they pressured > > > > > > > > him and made him break down, threatening he would have no > > > > > > > > future in the organisation if he didn't comply. Thus was back > > > > > > > > in the 90's when Maharishi was still alive. No wonder the > > > > > > > > movement in India is rich!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=366529 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
