Re: Jersey
You're referring to Leptospirosis, a bacterial infection not only found in dogs or cats, but also contagious to humans and most mammals, I believe. Nasty stuff. Not very common in cats, though would almost surely only be found in outdoor cats (thought to be transmitted via drinking contaminated water, or eating infected prey, such as rats). Probably worth testing for if nothing else can be found wrong in cases where there is unexplained acute kidney failure. My mom actually caught this once when camping in Texas, but she got very ill, and it was caught early (because she felt so bad she went to the hospital, where they diagnosed it right away), and a round of strong antibiotics cleared it right up. I, on the other hand, drink drainage ditch water on my hikes, and have never caught anything, go figure! I guess Vermont is a bit too cold for these things maybe (or maybe just an environmentallycleaner state)? Anyways, more info below: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_canineleptospirosis.html(dogs) http://www.astdhpphe.org/infect/Lepto.html(people) http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/leptospirosis_g.htm(all species) http://www.havilandprinting.com/brightonanimalhospital/(dogs and cats) http://www.healthgene.com/vet/d351.asp(info on testing) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Lyprinol for arthritis and inflammation
Here's the link to product info about Lyprinol, of course it could very well be biased. It's too late for me to read about it tonight, but there is a button for research, so I'll look into it when my eyes aren't so squinty. http://www.lyprinol.com/home.htm Title: LYPRINOL - Miracle from the Sea frameset framespacing=0 border=false cols=180,* frameborder=0 frame name=contents target=main src=http://www.lyprinol.com/navbar.htm scrolling=no noresize frame name=main src=http://www.lyprinol.com/about.htm noframes body bgcolor=#FF topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginwidth=0 marginheight=0 pThis page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them./p /body /noframes /frameset
Re: Jersey_question
Hi Stan, He really needs more than the little potassium in baby food. Call your vet and ask her to look at his potassium number and ask her what amount he needs to bring that number to normal. You will probably have to go out and buy a potassium supplement in a pharmacy or vitamin store. But be sure and ask the vet what milligrams he needs to get his level to normal. Also his kidney numbers are not horrible so I don't understand why the vet thinks his kidneys are in such bad shape. Kidney problems can also cause his potassium to go down. He may need fluids to bring his kidney numbers up ask your vet about Sub Q's (intravenous fluids). Syringe feeding is when you get syringes from your vet (without the needle on the end, 10 and twenty were the easiest for me to use but they come in all sizes) and fill them with ground up, blended food (you will need to blend most foods in order to get them to go through the syringe), then you put the syringe in the side of Jersey's mouth and VERY SLOWLY squirt a very tiny amount into his mouth, give him a few seconds to swallow and squirt a tiny bit more in. It's a very slow and tedious process but you have to be careful NOT to squirt in too much at a time so you don't choke him or squirt it to fast and it goes into his lungs. Some people have had success by putting alittle food on a small spoon and actually putting the the food into their cats mouth with a spoon. Some kitties hate being syringe fed, and for them the spoon method works better. The main thing is he needs alot more food than he is getting. And please try to get some cat food into him, baby food is great as a rescue food for a few days, but it doesn't have the vitamins and supplements that a cat needs. The vet can give you AD (this is what the food is called), or you can buy Eubanuka cat food I think in a pet store. If you can get 20 to 30 cc's of food 6 or 7 times a day into him, it would be alot better than the baby food. When is he suppose to get his transfusion? Prayers for Jersey to get stronger and stronger. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: meet_Jersey
Beautiful. I hope he recovers and lives a long healthy life. Thank you for giving him so much Love and care. He is really worth the effort, as is all our fur babies. Sheila
Re: meet_Jersey
Try asking your vet for some. My vet gives me syringes free. After awhile, when the rubber O-rings on the plunger-thing get hard and it's difficult to push, I just ask for a few more. Bonnie in WI www.elephants.com Stan, syringe feeding is not that difficult, and no, it does not require any prescription or even a trip to the vet, because you can buy everything you need online (though it may be easier just to get the syringes from the vet). Here is a great website that tells you step by step how to go about syringe feeding: http://www.assistfeed.com/FeedingTechniques.htm And here is another webpage from that same site that talks all about cats that don't eat, and gives you all the info and details you could ever need: http://www.assistfeed.com/FelineAnorexia.htm And, here is a website where you can order syringes for feeding Jersey (he's a very cute little guy, BTW): http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393Ntt=feeding%20syringeNtk=AllNtx=mode+matchallpartialNp=1N=2002Nty=1 Jennhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
anemic cat
Our cat, although he tested postive almost two years ago, has been very healthy until a few weeks ago when he became lethargic and ate less and less. Blood tests showed his red cell count at 13% so he went in for a blood transfusion on Friday. He seems a bit better, is eating again, but certainly isn't his old self. He is also sneezing a bit. I am wondering what treatment options I can explore and what I can expect from here, what the possible outcomes are. Thanks very much.
Re: anemic cat
Robin, Unfortunately, based on my experience, this is not good news. I've lost 3 leuk positive kitties to anemia. When the hematocrit (red blood cell count) gets that low, there isn't a lot you can do medically. I tried prednisone with all of mine. Most it didn't help but with my one cat, her hematocrit returned to normal. Then I lost her to a tumor though. My vet tells me that once the bone marrow stops producing red blood cells, it is bad news. The only options at that point are to try to jump start the bone marrow or to do transfusions. A lot of people recommend liver shakes, giving iron, using epogen or epoitin. My vet told me that all of this is useless because these only work if the cat doesn't have enough iron to make red blood cells. With leukemia the bone marrow is physically unable to make red blood cells. It is not because of a lack of iron but because the virus has attacked the bone marrow and made it ineffective. A lot of people still swear by these methods, though, so I want to mention them. Transfusions are only a temporary fix because as soon as the red blood cells die (they have a short life span), the cat can't make any new ones and they will need another transfusion and another one. I was told that after one or two successful transfusions, the odds of cross-reactivity go up immensely and that in time the transfusions won't be tolerated. I guess it is really awful to watch a cat reject a transfusion so I opted not to do them. I would love to hear how things go with you. I've always been torn as to whether to proceed with the transfusions or not. My cats are all blood typed so I can match blood if I do one. I've just weighed the options of putting them through it to buy them another couple months when I know I can't save them. I've heard most of them do really well and have a good quality of life after a transfusion so I hope your kitty returns to normal and does great. I don't want to sound down here or pessimistic. I hope and pray that the outcome will be different for mine every time I get one whose hematocrit is dropping. I do blood work every 6 months to monitor this level so I know what to expect. I've had my cats survive with a hematocrit as low as 8. My vet told me once they get to the low teens, they may have trouble breathing and they may be very tired and lethargic. They may even pass out because they can't carry oxygen well. Their heart rate increases substantially. Mine never really showed any symptoms other than an increased heart rate though. They were strong and playful til the last day. Please keep me posted on how things go. I will pray for you both and I hope you learn something that I haven't and that your kitty is just fine. I just wanted you to be prepared for what could happen. --- Robin Sarafinchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our cat, although he tested postive almost two years ago, has been very healthy until a few weeks ago when he became lethargic and ate less and less. Blood tests showed his red cell count at 13% so he went in for a blood transfusion on Friday. He seems a bit better, is eating again, but certainly isn't his old self. He is also sneezing a bit. I am wondering what treatment options I can explore and what I can expect from here, what the possible outcomes are. Thanks very much. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: anemic cat
Oh, one more thing. I got ahead of myself. Make sure that the anemia is due to the bone marrow not producing any red blood cells. Did your vet do a smear on your cat's original blood? They can look and see if there are any baby red blood cells in there. The bone marrow should be pumping out new red blood cells to counter the dropping hematocrit. If the cat has fleas or is bleeding internally or has any of the other things that can cause anemia, you'd want to address those first as those things can be fixed. If the smear shows, there are no more red blood cells being produced, no new or young ones, then you are looking at compromised bone marrow. --- Robin Sarafinchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our cat, although he tested postive almost two years ago, has been very healthy until a few weeks ago when he became lethargic and ate less and less. Blood tests showed his red cell count at 13% so he went in for a blood transfusion on Friday. He seems a bit better, is eating again, but certainly isn't his old self. He is also sneezing a bit. I am wondering what treatment options I can explore and what I can expect from here, what the possible outcomes are. Thanks very much. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
outcome of anemia - for amy
Amy, Thanks for that reply - I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. I don't intend to keep doing transfusions, I just wanted to give it a shot. I had hoped it would go more good but I'm happy he's eating. Did the three you lost to anemia die on their own or did you help them to cross over? How long was it before they died after you discovered the anemia? Thanks Robin
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Effie loved her kitty heating pad and I ordered it from one of the pet supply places. It is lightly warm andshe was comfortable for hours. Do you suppose she has one at the Bridge? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed Thanks, I gave her a very small kitten litter pan, but you are right, she still hurts when she gets into it (it has 3 inch tall sides). I was thinking I needed something shallower, and you are right, I DO have a 9x11 Pyrex baking pan that would be ideal! Thanks for reminding me! She seems the most comfortable if she is on a heating pad. I have one of those microwavable ones (with the soft gel inside), but it gets cold after a couple of hours, and then I have to move her a little to get it out and re-heat it. Does anyone know ofa brand of electric heating pad that does not get too hot, but just warm? It's been my experience that most electric heating pads get too hot to lay on for extended periods, and I'm not sure she CAN get up on her own if it gets too hot. Brenda, the Sphynx rescue lady I help out even had a kitten DIE from being left on a heating pad, so I'm being very cautious. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Hi, To help her not to move very much and not to step very high you maywant to try the following: For a "Litter Pan" that is easy to use takeapart a carrier, using the bottom part put a large "Pyrex" pan filledwith litter in it. The reason for this is using the bottom of thecarrier with cut down on the litter being kicker all over the place. Andthe reason for the "Pyrex" pan is due to its weight it will not betipped over and also it is so easy to disinfect. No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
for the non-electric solution: a bag of beans or rice, heated in the microwave for 3-4 minutes (with a small container for water to add humidity) then wrapped in a towel will hold heat for hours (you have to test what you use to see how long it stays warm)--better than a towel, find an old cat bed with a zipper, and put the beans/rice between the stuffing so it's more comfortable to lay on... there are also frisbie-looking hard plastic disks (i can't remember the brand name, of course...) that you heat in the microwave and slip under a bed that do the same thing--they say they stay warm for a really long time, but the only person i know who actually had one said they lost the heat quickly however, she'd tried the first generation of them so they may have been redesigned -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
GLOW for sam to find his way home, gloria! On 5/29/05, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: meet_Jersey
He is beautiful! Does he let his tongue stay out a bit like that a lot? My Santiago does that when he is being petted. Pets to Jersey. Del - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: meet_Jersey Hi all again, I just forgot that 2 months ago I put a picture of Jersey in a photography contest online. You can see him here: http://www.usa101.com/en/usaodav/pv_photo.php?entry_id=7508 Stan
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom. Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home. His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too. Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard? Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not. Prayers to Sam. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
Re: outcome of anemia - for amy
I helped all of mine cross over. I wanted them to die with dignity. I didn't want to force them to eat and drink, etc. I know a lot of people do that but I just feel that if they aren't enjoying life, I need to let them go. There was a drastic change when I felt it was time. They were acting themselves and loving life and then they just started declining rapidly. The first one I ever lost to cancer had trouble breathing and I took him to emergency and it was awful. I swore I'd never let it go that far again. When my vet told me to keep an eye on the breathing with the anemia, that is what I watched for. When they started becoming really lethargic and laying around most of the day and not wanting to play, I knew it was time. I didn't want to let it go so far that they couldn't breathe. It is hard to say how long it took because I check bloodwork every 2-3 weeks when they are anemic. They normally had hematocrits around 40. Once they started dropping, they would get to the 30's and the 20's over the next month or so. Once they got down to the teens, it wasn't that long. For one, it was days. For the others, weeks. Each cat was very different so it is really hard to say. I had one hang on for months at a hematocrit of 15. Now that you've had the transfusion, you should have some time I would think as long as it went smoothly. --- Robin Sarafinchan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy, Thanks for that reply - I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. I don't intend to keep doing transfusions, I just wanted to give it a shot. I had hoped it would go more good but I'm happy he's eating. Did the three you lost to anemia die on their own or did you help them to cross over? How long was it before they died after you discovered the anemia? Thanks Robin Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Thanks to all. Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl. She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon. She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out. Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed. Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP! No, the lady doesn't know. I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her. She's 70, had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter. Probably doesn't need to know. A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes. People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers. SIgh. Gloria At 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote: Gloria, I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom. Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home. His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too. Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard? Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not. Prayers to Sam. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
When Buddie had her sepsis infection, I just used a regular heating pad on low wrapped around several times in a big towel. It stayed warm but not too warm. I did check it several times to make sure it didn't get too warm. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
When I was looking around for heating pads for cats, there was a warning to not use a regular heating pad for a cat that is disabled and not likely to move off the pad when/if it gets to warm. I had one heating pad that I used for kittens that never got to warm, but the kittens were able to easily move off of it anyway. The heating pad that I just purchased for myself, (I have a bad back), gets way to hot, even on it's lowest setting. I'd be careful. Belinda Sauro wrote: When Buddie had her sepsis infection, I just used a regular heating pad on low wrapped around several times in a big towel. It stayed warm but not too warm. I did check it several times to make sure it didn't get too warm.
Re: anemic cat (links to potassium and feeding supps too)
I agree. Some cases of anemia are easily fixed, and transfusions can make a world of difference, but if your cat has stopped producing red blood cells completely, I think you are at best buying time, and at worst, prolonging a slow death. Have you vet do the smear, if he is producing new cells, then I say go for the transfusions if needed, and pump the iron into him. However, if he's not producing anything on his own, I do not believe transfusions are the way to go. I did not go that route with Moogie, nor do I ever intend to do so with any terminally ill cat with a low quality of life. Sometimes, we have to make the hard call. Everyone is different, and it's a decision you have to make for yourself, and your cat. What we think really is not the main concern, what YOU think is the most important thing. Back to the supplementing topic at hand... I have a cat that has chronic anemia (not FELV+), and I have to supplement his diet with a iron supplement occasionally. He's never gotten low enough to need a transfusion, thankfully! It's called Hi-Vite Drops, but there are many different brands of liquid iron boosters out there. http://www.medi-vet.com/detail.aspx~ID~2325 http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=1106N=2002+113617 http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=235PG=Pet%20Tinic%20LiquidSP=cat http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1pf_id=11721 Oh, and while I'm at it, other members have mentioned potassium supplement too, in various cases, here is that, in case anyone needs to order any: http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=235PG=Tumil-K Jeffer's has a really good catalog, if you call them, they will send it in 3 days time. Has all kinds of supplements and supplies for force feeding and nursing, including complete liquid diets and that kind of stuff. A good one to use a reference when looking things up online. 1-800-JEFFERS (ask for the pet catalog when you call) I'm assuming your cat has been tested for Feline Infectious Anemia (Hemobartonellosis), right? And he is negative?http://www.fabcats.org/anaemia.html(info) And here's a good support group for cats with Anemia, you should join there and ask them these questions, as they have lots of experience with anemia: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~Oh, one more thing. I got ahead of myself. Make surethat the anemia is due to the bone marrow notproducing any red blood cells. Did your vet do asmear on your cat's original blood? They can look andsee if there are any baby red blood cells in there. The bone marrow should be pumping out new red bloodcells to counter the dropping hematocrit. If the cathas fleas or is bleeding internally or has any of theother things that can cause anemia, you'd want toaddress those first as those things can be fixed. Ifthe smear shows, there are no more red blood cellsbeing produced, no new or young ones, then you arelooking at compromised bone marrow. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: outcome of anemia - for amy
Robin, I'm sorry your baby is in trouble. I hate this disease. After two years with no problems, it's amazing how fast those problems can get serious. I'm not clear about what's going on with the anemia, did your vet say they thought it was non-regenerative? What is your baby's name? How old is he? Sending good thoughts and healing prayers that you figure out exactly what is going on, (there are different treatments, depending on what's causing the anemia), and that it's something that he can recover from. Hang in there and give him a pet from me. Nina Robin Sarafinchan wrote: Amy, Thanks for that reply - I'm not feeling particularly optimistic. I don't intend to keep doing transfusions, I just wanted to give it a shot. I had hoped it would go more good but I'm happy he's eating. Did the three you lost to anemia die on their own or did you help them to cross over? How long was it before they died after you discovered the anemia? Thanks Robin
Re: anemic cat
Hi Robin, Has your kitty been tested for hemobartonella? It is very hard to diagnose, many times a positive cat will test negative. The preferred treatment is doxocyline and even cats that test negative but are suspected to have it have taken it and it has saved their lives. It won't hurt your cat but may help if kitty is positive. Another thing that can be tried is epogen or procrit, it takes about 3 weeks or longer to kick in so if that is an option for you it should be started right away. Hopefully the transfusioh will kick start kitty and give you time to decide what to do. Is his anemia regenerative or non-regenerative? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: anemic cat
You can also try feeding him the liver shake which is high in iron, there is a recipe for it in the archives. I don't have it off hand, anyone else have it?? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Jersey_question
Potassium supplement: http://www.1800petmeds.com/pgroup.asp?LV=235PG=Tumil-K Jenn ~~~ He really needs more than the little potassium in baby food. Call your vet and ask her to look at his potassium number and ask her what amount he needs to bring that number to normal. You will probably have to go out and buy a potassium supplement in a pharmacy or vitamin store. But be sure and ask the vet what milligrams he needs to get his level to normal. Also his kidney numbers are not horrible so I don't understand why the vet thinks his kidneys are in such bad shape. Kidney problems can also cause his potassium to go down. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: anemic cat
Here is the liver shake recipe: 1 cup raw liver (chicken is easier to digest than beef) 1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8 1/4 cup filtered water 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp kelp or spirulina Belinda Sauro wrote: You can also try feeding him the liver shake which is high in iron, there is a recipe for it in the archives. I don't have it off hand, anyone else have it??
Re: anemic cat
I personally know of a cat with cancer that was not producing red blood cells, granted he was not positive but his bone marrow wasn't producing and he was on epogen for two years with cancer and CRF before the cancer not the anemia finally took him. It is worth a try in my opinion. Many vets will try to scare the cr*p out of you saying the cat will produce antibodies, yes this can happen but if it does and it is very rare, it usually takes months and all that means is the treatment will stop working. If it is a choice between doing nothing and my cat dying in a week or less, and trying this and getting even a few more months or as in Jean Lucs (the cat I mentioned in my pervious email), case an extra almost 2 years, I'm giving it a try!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I read about lost pets once Jersey didn't show up almost 3 days. 1. Cats are getting accustomed to their homes. I have read about cats that crossed 100- 150 km to get back to their first house. So, how far the house of the old lady is from the foster home? Cats have perfect intuition and it is possible that he might get back there. 2. If the cat had a favoutite toy take that toy and make a noise with it when searching. 3. On the flyers put a reward but do not specify the amount. 4. It is possible that somebody is feeding that pet. Ask for people in the neighbourhood that have cats, dogs or love to take care of animals. Jersey had some fans in our neighbourhod that fed him from time to time. 5. Cats might hide in all kinds of unexpected places. Search everywhere- even look beneath the cars, garbage containers (there is food there), etc. 6. Presumably, being an inside cat he is not far away from the foster home. It is very important to let me know what is the physical distance b/n the lady's house and the foster home. 7. To make sure he is alive, call the DMV or the MVB. If I cat is hit by car they take it. 8. very important: Once he is hungry he might come back by himself. Tell the people in the foster home to keep an eye at anytime. I beieve this is the most possible outcome. 2-3 days, even a week later he might get home. Ok Keep me in touch...and Good luck. He'll be safe. StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whose family we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Re: anemic cat
The Doxycycline for Hemobartinella that Belinda mentioned earlier is also worth a try. My kitty, Grace is one of the ones that it saved, even though the test for it, (it's a blood parasite), was negative. It's a broad-spectrum antibiotic so it hits a lot of different types of parasites. You really need more info about what exactly is going on here. Start bugging your vet. One thing I would ask them is, would they recommend the same things if your cat wasn't positive? Too many vets are ready to throw in the towel at the first sign of trouble when they know the cat is positive. Nina Belinda Sauro wrote: I personally know of a cat with cancer that was not producing red blood cells, granted he was not positive but his bone marrow wasn't producing and he was on epogen for two years with cancer and CRF before the cancer not the anemia finally took him. It is worth a try in my opinion. Many vets will try to scare the cr*p out of you saying the cat will produce antibodies, yes this can happen but if it does and it is very rare, it usually takes months and all that means is the treatment will stop working. If it is a choice between doing nothing and my cat dying in a week or less, and trying this and getting even a few more months or as in Jean Lucs (the cat I mentioned in my pervious email), case an extra almost 2 years, I'm giving it a try!!
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, When talking with people just say that he is 17. The breed is expensive and some people might want to make money selling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that the price will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him he might prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it. Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house ot the foster home. StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whose family we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Re: outcome of anemia - for amy
When anyone or anything is sick they don't feel well, I know when I have the flu or food poisoning or anything that makes me nausea, I don't feel well and I certainly don't want to eat. I certainly hope my family tryies to get me to eat and doesn't just decide to let me die, just my opinion. Many cats have been brought back from the brink of death because they were given nourishment which all living things need, if you don't try to feed someone or something that is sick, I feel your not doing all you can to help them get better. This is my own opinion only and everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this and everyone has to do what they feel is best for their furkids. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Thanks, Stan - that's a useful and great list. The former home is 5.7 miles north of the foster home. The former owner was an astrologer. Gloria Gloria, I read about lost pets once Jersey didn't show up almost 3 days. 1. Cats are getting accustomed to their homes. I have read about cats that crossed 100- 150 km to get back to their first house. So, how far the house of the old lady is from the foster home? Cats have perfect intuition and it is possible that he might get back there. 2. If the cat had a favoutite toy take that toy and make a noise with it when searching. 3. On the flyers put a reward but do not specify the amount. 4. It is possible that somebody is feeding that pet. Ask for people in the neighbourhood that have cats, dogs or love to take care of animals. Jersey had some fans in our neighbourhod that fed him from time to time. 5. Cats might hide in all kinds of unexpected places. Search everywhere- even look beneath the cars, garbage containers (there is food there), etc. 6. Presumably, being an inside cat he is not far away from the foster home. It is very important to let me know what is the physical distance b/n the lady's house and the foster home. 7. To make sure he is alive, call the DMV or the MVB. If I cat is hit by car they take it. 8. very important: Once he is hungry he might come back by himself. Tell the people in the foster home to keep an eye at anytime. I beieve this is the most possible outcome. 2-3 days, even a week later he might get home. Ok Keep me in touch...and Good luck. He'll be safe. Stan From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500 Thanks to all. Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl. She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon. She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out. Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed. Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP! No, the lady doesn't know. I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her. She's 70, had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter. Probably doesn't need to know. A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes. People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers. SIgh. Gloria At 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote: Gloria, I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom. Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home. His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too. Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard? Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not. Prayers to Sam. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Are you saying you think he'll be back at the foster home? Gloria Gloria, When talking with people just say that he is 17. The breed is expensive and some people might want to make money selling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that the price will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him he might prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it. Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house ot the foster home. Stan From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500 Thanks to all. Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl. She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon. She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out. Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed. Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP! No, the lady doesn't know. I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her. She's 70, had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter. Probably doesn't need to know. A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes. People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers. SIgh. Gloria At 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote: Gloria, I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom. Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home. His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too. Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard? Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not. Prayers to Sam. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
You know, I will never understand what people are thinking when they opt to separate loved ones and their pets. If they care about this old lady, and she's gone to live with a daughter, (that's what you said right?), then why couldn't they make room for her kitty? People are really frustrating sometimes. I sure hope Sam has found a goodhearted soul to help him out. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Thanks, Stan - that's a useful and great list. The former home is 5.7 miles north of the foster home. The former owner was an astrologer. Gloria Gloria, I read about lost pets once Jersey didn't show up almost 3 days. 1. Cats are getting accustomed to their homes. I have read about cats that crossed 100- 150 km to get back to their first house. So, how far the house of the old lady is from the foster home? Cats have perfect intuition and it is possible that he might get back there. 2. If the cat had a favoutite toy take that toy and make a noise with it when searching. 3. On the flyers put a reward but do not specify the amount. 4. It is possible that somebody is feeding that pet. Ask for people in the neighbourhood that have cats, dogs or love to take care of animals. Jersey had some fans in our neighbourhod that fed him from time to time. 5. Cats might hide in all kinds of unexpected places. Search everywhere- even look beneath the cars, garbage containers (there is food there), etc. 6. Presumably, being an inside cat he is not far away from the foster home. It is very important to let me know what is the physical distance b/n the lady's house and the foster home. 7. To make sure he is alive, call the DMV or the MVB. If I cat is hit by car they take it. 8. very important: Once he is hungry he might come back by himself. Tell the people in the foster home to keep an eye at anytime. I beieve this is the most possible outcome. 2-3 days, even a week later he might get home. Ok Keep me in touch...and Good luck. He'll be safe. Stan From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500 Thanks to all. Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl. She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon. She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out. Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed. Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP! No, the lady doesn't know. I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her. She's 70, had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter. Probably doesn't need to know. A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes. People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers. SIgh. Gloria At 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote: Gloria, I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom. Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home. His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too. Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard? Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not. Prayers to Sam. Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
New Member
Hi - my name is Michelle and I just recently joined this FeLV group and I'm sure it is going to be mine and my cats lifeline. I am in a bit of dilema already. My baby girl had to put to sleep at Easter after a long battle with many different ailments she was found to have FIV and was in the final stage. I have now adopted 3 cats from my local sanctuary where I do a little voluntary work too helping out with the care of the cats. I am in UK and many people still don't have anywhere near enough knowledge about FeLV or FIV. The sanctuary houses FIV and FeLV cats together which I recently found out should never be done and that FeLV should only be kept alone or with other FeLV. I was led to believe that FeLV was no more contagious than FIV but it actually is quite a lot more contagious it seems. My 3 cats are Bramble (9 year old male tabby - FIV+ with symptoms) he is currently back and forward to the vet - we are now testing for calicivirus, herpesvirus, and FeLV as a result of his symptoms - I've suggesting calicivirus since I got him (had them all 3 weeks now). Bramble was dumped 2 years ago when he was ill and spent days hiding under brambles in fear before staffmanaged to get hold of him. Buddy is a 2 year old black tortie female with FIV and Minstrel is a 2 year old black and white female with FeLV. My vet said they recommend euthansia for FeLV cats but I'm not prepared to do that yet as she is a happy healthy non-symptomatic cat and only 2 years old. She suggests I seperate my FIV from FeLV and don't let them near each other to protect the FIV cats from getting FeLV. Buddy and Minstrel have lived together with Bramble for the last 2 years at the sanctuary. In fact Buddy and Minstrel had spent their whole lives in the sanctuary - I have given them their first home, so all have been exposed for the last 2 years along with the other 6 or 7 FIV cats in the sanctuary. Has anybody had experience of owning both FIV and FeLV + cats and how was it? Having read around FeLV more now I am sgocked that sanctuary house them together - they should know better really but they consider them as being very similar virus with the same outcomes - and I have now discovered that is not totally true and the prognosis is often quite different. Michelle
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I think he is going to be back at the foster home because he has been an inside cat all his life and he will be afraid to hike around. Cats are territorial and he is not willing to enter other cat's territory. He can be in radius of half a mile around the foster home. That is suggestion N1. It is possible though to get to the lady's house. 6 miles are not so many for cats. Distrinute flyers at around both places. Talk with people. Does he have an tag ID? Even if he has, make sure you put downthe phone number clearly. Make sure you put a nice clear photo of Sam. if you see kids playing somewhere talk withthem also. They remember such kind of information and they spend a lot of time playingoutside. I am pretty sure he is safe because noone has any benefit of hurting the cat. the point is to find him. don't give up. sometimes cats return to their owners after weeks and months. Good luck and plase be very detailed in the search. Look everywhere. How long has he been missing? How long has he been iving in the foster home? Stan From: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:29:53 -0500Are you saying you think he'll be back at the foster home?GloriaGloria,When talking with people just say that he is 17.The breed is expensive and some people might want to make money selling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that the price will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him he might prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it.Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house ot the foster home.StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nicegirl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.Shedidn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and proppedthe door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for a fewdays, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she should havecalled ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but weprobably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, and somethinga bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved inwith a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.People arenice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to hisfoster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his humangetting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be soupset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or did shethink he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady know he'sdisappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, specialneeds list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whosefamily we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and hehasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over andpassing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that Iknow of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Please add my sister's cat Hamish to the Candlelight Service
Hamish was a 12 year old part Maine Coone cat with a big heart and a big appetite. Even though he loved to roam in her backyard he never killed any birds. thank you. Barbara
anemic cat and sneezing
Thanks to everyone for your advice and thoughts. I've been off and on the list before and it's always been helpful. This is my first experience with a cat with feline leukemia. His name is Norman and he's 5 years old. We got him when he was just a cute orange kitten. Since then, he's caused thousands of dollars in damage - he's a chewer, but we love him. Computers cables, blind strings, even the reverse osmosis filter line, causing a small flood. Now he's curled up in a box under the dining room table light. I read about the Snug Box in the New Natural Cat and he loves it. Now that he's had a transfusion the vet wants to try steroids. He's sneezing though, no discharge and I'm just worried the steriods might make that worse. Any thoughts on that? My prayers to all the other furkids in need. Robin
Re: anemic cat and sneezing
I would try the steroids-- I would do dexamethasone and depomedrol, or dexamethasone and prednisone, along with Immuno-regulin (see article on this group's website) and an antibiotic (preferably doxicycline in case this is hemobartonella). You might want to also rule out lymphoma. Sorry if this repeats any other advice. I have not been online much or reading many posts. Michelle
Re: outcome of anemia - for amy
i think this is one of those situations where you really need to be in contact with the cat--force-feeding and hydrating can make all the difference, yet there usually comes a time when it isn't helping, and it's preventing them from completing their journey--very hard call, but i have definitely seen people turn force-feeding and hydrating into torture for a cat that is ready to go.. i go with the better one day too soon than 5 minutes too late--i try to listen to the animal, and respect their self-knowledge (sounds simple, doesn't it? HA!) -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
AC willing to monitor list - James
Maybe this is a good time to ask this question, (what with Gloria's Sam disappearing)... James are you reading this? The animal show radio archive I posted about a little bit ago is run by an AC. I visited her website and she said she enjoys checking in with different lists from time to time to answer questions. Would you guys be interested in something like that? I haven't contacted her yet, I wanted to see what you guys thought about the idea, and if it would be okay with James. I know nothing about this woman from personal experience, but from her show and website, (she has a portion of the profit of books purchased through her website donated to rescue groups, for example), she sounds like, if nothing else, a caring friend to animals in need. Let me know what you think. Nina
Re: AC willing to monitor list - James
Oh I think it would be great! Gloria At 04:50 PM 5/30/2005, you wrote: Maybe this is a good time to ask this question, (what with Gloria's Sam disappearing)... James are you reading this? The animal show radio archive I posted about a little bit ago is run by an AC. I visited her website and she said she enjoys checking in with different lists from time to time to answer questions. Would you guys be interested in something like that? I haven't contacted her yet, I wanted to see what you guys thought about the idea, and if it would be okay with James. I know nothing about this woman from personal experience, but from her show and website, (she has a portion of the profit of books purchased through her website donated to rescue groups, for example), she sounds like, if nothing else, a caring friend to animals in need. Let me know what you think. Nina
Re: AC willing to monitor list - James
absolutely! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: AC willing to monitor list - James
Nina, I have no problem with it. I do not censor this list except in cases where someone is being a disrupter. I would suggest, however, that her posts to our list involve FeLV support. Ours is already a very busy list with a focus on FeLV, so I'd hope that the content reflects that scope. Does she have a similar list where folks could post more general questions to her? In any event, feel free to invite her to join our group. Best wishes to all on this somber holiday. James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.felineleukemia.org
Interferon
Yes I believe the Feline omega interferon is quite good so am interested to try it. But speaking of Lymphoma - has anyone heard or tried the transfer factor for animals. I found the productwhen I did asearch on FeLV - I think the website is www.petsbadbreath.com- then search for transfer factor. It is an immune system booster and I was considering trying it but am nowtrying interferon first. I believe this product has helped some animals with tumours, lymphomas etc.. and has been used for FeLV by some people- although how successfully I don't know. It is a naturally occuring product found in the collostrum or milk of cows so is not a drug and therefoe theoretically should not interact with drugs. I don't know a great deal about it but I will certainly try it when things get desperate. I only really opted for interferon first because Bramble needs treatment rapidly and I would need to import Transfer factor from USA to UK and don't know how long it would take to ship over. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has used it and what kinds of results they had. Secondly I hope that dear Sam is found again soon Michelle L
RE: New Member
Title: Message Hi Michelle Just wanted to say a particular welcome to a fellow Brit(I live in US now) -- though I'mvery sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You will find you're right---the group is indeed a lifeline. I have learned so, somuch more about FeLV (and other cat issues) from the members of this list than I could ever have done from a vet or any other source. Plus, the listmembers are just a smashing (Brit-ism, guys?), goodheartedbunch of people, period. It's wonderful that you adopted 3 sanctuary cats (as a matter of interest, which part of the country are you/the sanctuary in?) You're to be applauded for following your instinct and not your vet's recommendation in regard to Bramble. I have4 foster cats, 3 of whom are Felv pos and 1 negative. They found me about 18 months ago. Because they lived together way before they found me, I've kept them together--it seemed too cruel, as well as pointless,to separate them. So I would certainly keep your 3 furballs together. The negative cat has been tested twice, last time being a year ago. I also have 3 of my own negative cats, that I've had for many years. Unlike many people on the list, I have never mixed the 2 groups. That's not to say I never will, but I'm not comfortable yet about renewing the FeLV vaccination with my negative cats, which I would have to do, particularly as no vaccination is 100% effective. I have no experience of FIV cats, but you will find lots of other input from members who do, I'm sure. I'm so sorry you lost your FIV girl. But I can tell from everything you say that she couldn't have wanted for more love or better care in your hands. Sending lots of good wishes to you and your furballs~~ Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:40 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: New Member Hi - my name is Michelle and I just recently joined this FeLV group and I'm sure it is going to be mine and my cats lifeline. I am in a bit of dilema already. My baby girl had to put to sleep at Easter after a long battle with many different ailments she was found to have FIV and was in the final stage. I have now adopted 3 cats from my local sanctuary where I do a little voluntary work too helping out with the care of the cats. I am in UK and many people still don't have anywhere near enough knowledge about FeLV or FIV. The sanctuary houses FIV and FeLV cats together which I recently found out should never be done and that FeLV should only be kept alone or with other FeLV. I was led to believe that FeLV was no more contagious than FIV but it actually is quite a lot more contagious it seems. My 3 cats are Bramble (9 year old male tabby - FIV+ with symptoms) he is currently back and forward to the vet - we are now testing for calicivirus, herpesvirus, and FeLV as a result of his symptoms - I've suggesting calicivirus since I got him (had them all 3 weeks now). Bramble was dumped 2 years ago when he was ill and spent days hiding under brambles in fear before staffmanaged to get hold of him. Buddy is a 2 year old black tortie female with FIV and Minstrel is a 2 year old black and white female with FeLV. My vet said they recommend euthansia for FeLV cats but I'm not prepared to do that yet as she is a happy healthy non-symptomatic cat and only 2 years old. She suggests I seperate my FIV from FeLV and don't let them near each other to protect the FIV cats from getting FeLV. Buddy and Minstrel have lived together with Bramble for the last 2 years at the sanctuary. In fact Buddy and Minstrel had spent their whole lives in the sanctuary - I have given them their first home, so all have been exposed for the last 2 years along with the other 6 or 7 FIV cats in the sanctuary. Has anybody had experience of owning both FIV and FeLV + cats and how was it? Having read around FeLV more now I am sgocked that sanctuary house them together - they should know better really but they consider them as being very similar virus with the same outcomes - and I have now discovered that is not totally true and the prognosis is often quite different. Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please add my sister's cat Hamish to the Candlelight Service
My sincerest condolences to your sister. Goodnight, sweet Hamish... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Barbara Lowe To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Please add my sister's cat Hamish to the Candlelight Service Hamish was a 12 year old part Maine Coone cat with a big heart and a big appetite. Even though he loved to roam in her backyard he never killed any birds. thank you. Barbara
Re: New Member
Michelle, FELV is NOT highly contagious in normal situations where it isa FELV+ cat sharing a home with other ADULTHEALTHY cats. It's almost unheard of for healthy adult cats to catch FELV! The problem you face is that as far as immune systems go, your FIV cat IS unhealthy (even though he may not look unhealthy), and he MAY contract FELV if housed together with FELV cats. See, the cases where FELV is caught, almost always, the victims are either kittens (who have not been exposed to enough things to build an immune system yet), or cats with compromised immune systems (such as cats with FIV, like your cat). So, in normal cases, where you want to mix a negative cat with a FELV+ cat, there is NO reason to worry, but since you are housing a FIV+ cat with a FELV+ cat, the FIV cat may very well end up getting FELV. I hope that helps explain things better. FIV is actually more contagious than FELV in normal situations where the exposed cat is healthy and not immune compromised, because FIV is transmitted via saliva or blood contact, so bites and scratches can transmit FIV. This is not the case with FELV, because even if blood to blood or saliva contact takes place, most healthy adult cats will mount an effective immune response to the FELV and fight it off. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: Please add my sister's cat Hamish to the Candlelight Service
thank you.I will let her know. actually I got the age wrong. good ole Hamish was 14 1/2 yrs old. - Original Message - From: Terri Brown To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Please add my sister's cat Hamish to the Candlelight Service My sincerest condolences to your sister. Goodnight, sweet Hamish... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Barbara Lowe To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Please add my sister's cat Hamish to the Candlelight Service Hamish was a 12 year old part Maine Coone cat with a big heart and a big appetite. Even though he loved to roam in her backyard he never killed any birds. thank you. Barbara
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I don't know how your schedule is. Can you try to take someone and search together around the building of the foster house- basemet, etc. One week is not a long time but since he was not back, it means that he is getting food and waterfrom somewhere. Some people leave food in front of their houses for any wild animals they feed. Are there houses around the foster home, just go and talk with people. Good luck again and don't give up. I wish I hadyour problem instead the one I have right now with Jersey. StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:00:42 -0500Thanks, Stan - he's been missing a week.He's been in the foster home since early March.We've been over there are a few hours every day.GloriaGloria,I think he is going to be back at the foster home because he has been an inside cat all his life and he will be afraid to hike around. Cats are territorial and he is not willing to enter other cat's territory. He can be in radius of half a mile around the foster home. That is suggestion N1.It is possible though to get to the lady's house. 6 miles are not so many for cats.Distrinute flyers at around both places. Talk with people.Does he have an tag ID?Even if he has, make sure you put down the phone number clearly. Make sure you put a nice clear photo of Sam.if you see kids playing somewhere talk withthem also. They remember such kind of information and they spend a lot of time playing outside.I am pretty sure he is safe because noone has any benefit of hurting the cat. the point is to find him. don't give up. sometimes cats return to their owners after weeks and months.Good luck and plase be very detailed in the search. Look everywhere.How long has he been missing?How long has he been iving in the foster home?StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:29:53 -0500Are you saying you think he'll be back at the foster home?GloriaGloria,When talking with people just say that he is 17.The breed is expensive and some people might want to make moneyselling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that theprice will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him hemight prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it.Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house otthe foster home.StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic,nicegirl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.Shedidn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and proppedthe door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for afewdays, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she shouldhavecalled ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but weprobably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, andsomethinga bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she movedinwith a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.Peoplearenice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to hisfoster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his humangetting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be soupset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or didshethink he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady knowhe'sdisappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service,specialneeds list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whosefamily we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and hehasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over andpassing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before thatIknow of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Re: AC willing to monitor list - James
Sounds good to me. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: average lifespan
Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also,I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA,most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here tells you how old theirFELV+ furangelswere when they passed on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught it later in life, and that would skew the numbers. This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we qualify as a "study group"? Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ How long would you expect an FeLV+ cat to live on average? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: average lifespan
Yo Jenn - My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004) My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003) My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002) Gloria Well, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the average life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught it later in life, and that would skew the numbers. This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we qualify as a study group? Jenn http://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: outcome of anemia - for amy
Hi Amy, No I didn't see your post as judgemental, I was just stating a truism for me, the only time I can lose any weight is when I am sick, because food is the last thing on my mind (wish I got sick alittle more often :). And while it is OK for people to go without food for days, for cats it can be very deadly, and sometimes very quickly. I know everyone on this list loves their furkids and would do anything for them, and sometimes that does mean letting them go. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
CLS for Monday May 30, 2005
Hi All, Sorry this is so late, I was out most of the afternoon. My deepest sympathies to those who have lost a furchild, they are with you forever in your heart. My prayers for those with sick furkids, that they start to feel better and get well soon. Take care all ... FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com
Re: average lifespan
Bailey was tested positive at 5 months of age, he turned 10 years old in May. He has been healthy with no problems until last eyar when he was diagnosed with stomastisis. We pulled most of his teeth and he is eating good again and is doing very well. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: average lifespan
The three I lost back in the early 90's were age 5, 7 and 9 years old. Mikie (5) and Skeeter (7) to cancer and Frankie (9) to anemia, I wish I had known then what I know now :( -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: AC willing to monitor list - James
I'm skeptical, but more than willing to keep an open mind. It's not that I don't believe in it (I do!), it's just that a group of very desperate fur-parents is a prime location for a mean-spirited predator to prey on our desperation. I have a hard time trusting other humans, I don't play well with my own kind. :) Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Thank you Nina, I will replace it if I ever need it for the furkids again it is getting pretty old. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS for Monday May 30, 2005
For next week, can you add Bones to the Special Needs listing? She needs positive energy and prayers to recover from her spinal injuries and be free of pain. Also, Seagull, one of my last batch of rescues (two Persians), died yesterday. I sent out a separate email to the list requesting he be added to the non-positive remembrances list, but it was not approved because I included his picture, and the message size was too big. He died of heart failure due to a grade 5 murmur and cardiomyopathy despite heroic efforts to save him. R.I.P. Seagull, sorry Ifound youtoo late. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
Re: CLS for Monday May 30, 2005
Aw Jenn, that sucks. These were the two in the closet, right? Did you still have Seagull when he passed? I'm so sorry. Was the other Persian still with him? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For next week, can you add Bones to the Special Needs listing? She needs positive energy and prayers to recover from her spinal injuries and be free of pain. Also, Seagull, one of my last batch of rescues (two Persians), died yesterday. I sent out a separate email to the list requesting he be added to the non-positive remembrances list, but it was not approved because I included his picture, and the message size was too big. He died of heart failure due to a grade 5 murmur and cardiomyopathy despite heroic efforts to save him. R.I.P. Seagull, sorry I found you too late. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005
RE: New Member
Welcome Michelle, It is a bad situation finding us this way, but this group has helped me far more than words can say, I lost a FeLV+ cat January 3rd of this year, and since I have one more in my group, I do mix my + (Amber) with my negatives which are the number of 8 all together. In regards to FIV I do not know much about it, so I just wanted to say Hi and assure you with all the knowledge this group has to offer, you are in great hands Again Welcome Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle Just wanted to say a particular welcome to a fellow Brit(I live in US now) -- though I'mvery sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You will find you're right---the group is indeed a lifeline. I have learned so, somuch more about FeLV (and other cat issues) from the members of this list than I could ever have done from a vet or any other source. Plus, the listmembers are just a smashing (Brit-ism, guys?), goodheartedbunch of people, period. It's wonderful that you adopted 3 sanctuary cats (as a matter of interest, which part of the country are you/the sanctuary in?) You're to be applauded for following your instinct and not your vet's recommendation in regard to Bramble. I have4 foster cats, 3 of whom are Felv pos and 1 negative. They found me about 18 months ago. Because they lived together way before they found me, I've kept them together--it seemed too cruel, as well as pointless,to separate them. So I would certainly keep your 3 furballs together. The negative cat has been tested twice, last time being a year ago. I also have 3 of my own negative cats, that I've had for many years. Unlike many people on the list, I have never mixed the 2 groups. That's not to say I never will, but I'm not comfortable yet about renewing the FeLV vaccination with my negative cats, which I would have to do, particularly as no vaccination is 100% effective. I have no experience of FIV cats, but you will find lots of other input from members who do, I'm sure. I'm so sorry you lost your FIV girl. But I can tell from everything you say that she couldn't have wanted for more love or better care in your hands. Sending lots of good wishes to you and your furballs~~ Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 1:40 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: New Member Hi - my name is Michelle and I just recently joined this FeLV group and I'm sure it is going to be mine and my cats lifeline. I am in a bit of dilema already. My baby girl had to put to sleep at Easter after a long battle with many different ailments she was found to have FIV and was in the final stage. I have now adopted 3 cats from my local sanctuary where I do a little voluntary work too helping out with the care of the cats. I am in UK and many people still don't have anywhere near enough knowledge about FeLV or FIV. The sanctuary houses FIV and FeLV cats together which I recently found out should never be done and that FeLV should only be kept alone or with other FeLV. I was led to believe that FeLV was no more contagious than FIV but it actually is quite a lot more contagious it seems. My 3 cats are Bramble (9 year old male tabby - FIV+ with symptoms) he is currently back and forward to the vet - we are now testing for calicivirus, herpesvirus, and FeLV as a result of his symptoms - I've suggesting calicivirus since I got him (had them all 3 weeks now). Bramble was dumped 2 years ago when he was ill and spent days hiding under brambles in fear before staffmanaged to get hold of him. Buddy is a 2 year old black tortie female with FIV and Minstrel is a 2 year old black and white female with FeLV. My vet said they recommend euthansia for FeLV cats but I'm not prepared to do that yet as she is a happy healthy non-symptomatic cat and only 2 years old. She suggests I seperate my FIV from FeLV and don't let them near each other to protect the FIV cats from getting FeLV. Buddy and Minstrel have lived together with Bramble for the last 2 years at the sanctuary. In fact Buddy and Minstrel had spent their whole lives in the sanctuary - I have given them their first home, so all have been exposed for the last 2 years along with the other 6 or 7 FIV cats in the sanctuary. Has anybody had experience of owning both FIV and FeLV + cats and how was it? Having read around FeLV more now I am sgocked that sanctuary house them together - they should know better really but they consider them as being very similar virus with the same outcomes - and I have now discovered that is not totally true and the prognosis is often quite different. Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual
Re: average lifespan
My kitties lifespan was a wonderful loving fun filled 6 months old (Snowball) he had the virus for we are assuming 1 month and then when he was fixed the anesthetic actived the virus then it was only 1 more month of love. Amber on the other hand had in dorminate in her body she tested negative twice before and then retested positive in January and she is doing great no problems to speak of and she is 3 1/2, she was a stray so we think she had it from the get go, so she has lived with me for two years with no real symptoms, but she is on Interferon, just in case. Cherie"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yo Jenn -My darling Calawalla Banana Boo-boo was 3 years old. (2004)My sweet Mittens was maybe 2.5 yrs. (2003)My baby Mr. Black kitty was FIV and FELV+ - vet said he was 18. I don't believe it. Think he was a bit younger than that - 10 yrs maybe? (2002)GloriaWell, my Moogie, who was born with FELV, lived 18 months, but it varies widely, and also, I did not take drastic measures to prolong her life. Had I done everything to the extreme, she may have lived to be 2 years old. I'm not really sure what the "average" life span of FELV+ cats is, but one study has been done on the lifespan expectations for cats infected with feline leukemia virus that tested persistently viremic (continuously tested positive). In the study, reported by Dr. Susan Cotter in the November 1991 issue of the Journal of the AVMA, most cats died within two years but about 20% of the cats lived three or more years. Of course, if everyone here tells you how old their FELV+ furangels were when they passed on, then you'll get a good sampling, and be able to draw your own conclusions, but you'll have to know how long they had the virus, not just how long they lived, because some of them may have caught it later in life, and that would skew the numbers.This could potentially be a very interesting thread, I wonder if we qualify as a "study group"?Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlHave a purrfect day Cherie
