Re: Brenda (or anyone) link to forced feeding group
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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big and she shook her head vigorously, "NO." :) And he still on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! So far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly thankful for... ;)Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :(Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Hi Michelle! Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the nail-in-the-coffin, so-to- speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102! Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:46 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big and she shook her head vigorously, NO. :) And he still on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! So far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly thankful for... ;) Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :( Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!! Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Jen, I'm praying for him. I don't really understand about the white blood cell count-- if anything, chemo usually makes that go down. It seems like he has an infection now? I am really sorry if you did chemo partially because I recommended it and he is having this reaction. I was glad when you said you were doing it and he seemed to be responding so well, but now I feel terrible about recommending it. I never heard of a cat reacting this way to it. Please let us know what happens at the oncologist's. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," so-to-speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102!Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! I totally understand that. But the lymphoma is from his FeLV, so it actually has not been in check. When I am worried about triggering the FeLV virus in my cats, what I am most afraid of is triggering the formation of lymphoma. Maybe you should ask the vet about using Immuno-Regulin to try to control the fever and whatever is causing it? It helped with Ginger and Patches, though Ginger also had a reaction to it that cause her fever to spike to 106 for a half hour or so right after the shot, which was very scary. Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Oh, Michelle, No! Please don't feel guilty, you have no reason to!! At the very least, the chemo has given me 3 more wonderful months with my boy! If I had it to do all over again, I would make the same decision! I just wish I could understand what's going on...you have echoed the sentiments of my vet who is just at a loss as to why he's having such a severe reaction...perhaps the oncologist will be able to figure it out! Could the high white cell count indicate that the cancer is spreading? I will let you know what happens when I get back! All the best, Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:14 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? Jen, I'm praying for him. I don't really understand about the white blood cell count-- if anything, chemo usually makes that go down. It seems like he has an infection now? I am really sorry if you did chemo partially because I recommended it and he is having this reaction. I was glad when you said you were doing it and he seemed to be responding so well, but now I feel terrible about recommending it. I never heard of a cat reacting this way to it. Please let us know what happens at the oncologist's. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the nail-in-the-coffin, so- to- speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102! Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers! Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
You're right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I think about activating the virus! Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at home)...the oncologist thinks it could be one of two things: either a reaction to the chemo (in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at worst, a tumor has formed in his belly. Ewok is getting an ultra-sound right now, so we should know soon what we're dealing with. Personally, I'm fearing the latter...I guess it would make the most sense given what he's been going through this past week. I'm still hoping that there is, well, hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself at the same time. Please keep Ewok in your thoughts! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:16 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? In a message dated 12/16/2005 10:10:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress! I totally understand that. But the lymphoma is from his FeLV, so it actually has not been in check. When I am worried about triggering the FeLV virus in my cats, what I am most afraid of is triggering the formation of lymphoma. Maybe you should ask the vet about using Immuno-Regulin to try to control the fever and whatever is causing it? It helped with Ginger and Patches, though Ginger also had a reaction to it that cause her fever to spike to 106 for a half hour or so right after the shot, which was very scary. Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Hey Jen, I will keep Ewok in my prayers. I hope that he starts turning around soon. You are right. Michelle has no reason to feel badly for suggesting chemo for Ewok. She is a wonderful source of information, and a light to all of us and our kitties. Please keep us posted on Ewok. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Fwd: Re: FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have]
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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Wendy
Thanks, Wendy...I appreciate that! I'm hoping, too, that he can make a turn-around...but I still have an awful feeling that it's a tumor that's causing the problems. I guess I'll have to wait and see what the oncologist suggests, but we didn't have much luck with Ewok's brother's (Pips') intestinal lymphoma, so it's hard to be optimistic... :( And you're absolutely right about Michelle...I don't know what I'd do without her and her little fur-angel Simon! I'll keep you updated! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:38 am Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? Hey Jen, I will keep Ewok in my prayers. I hope that he starts turning around soon. You are right. Michelle has no reason to feel badly for suggesting chemo for Ewok. She is a wonderful source of information, and a light to all of us and our kitties. Please keep us posted on Ewok. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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That's great news, thanks Nina. Sounds like the perfect home for her. There sure are some wonderful unsung heroines in this world. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I have] Here's the latest update about the little blind girl that was on death row. Prayers for her adjustment, she sure did touch my heart. N hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Jen, If it is another tumor, ask for the combo dex/depo shot to see if it will help. Combined with chemo, it helped Simon for an extra month and made him feel really good. It also suppresses nausea and increases appetite, besides shrinking the tumor temporarily. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 12:39:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're right...I guess I think of non-regenetive anemia when I thinkabout activating the virus!Anyhoo, Ewok is still at the oncologist's (I'm at home)...the oncologistthinks it could be one of two things: either a reaction to the chemo(in which case, we keep supporting him), or, at worst, a tumor hasformed in his belly. Ewok is getting an ultra-sound right now, so weshould know soon what we're dealing with. Personally, I'm fearing thelatter...I guess it would make the most sense given what he's been goingthrough this past week. I'm still hoping that there is, well,hope...but I'm trying to prepare myself at the same time.Please keep Ewok in your thoughts!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
I'm sorry, Jen! That's horrible. Josephine did get tumors in her intestines secondary to tumors on her kidneys, and she lived a couple months with them just getting those shots, without even any chemo. The dex would visibly shrink the tumor within just a few hours. The day that the shot did not do that or make her start eating, I knew it was the end, and she went into respiratory distress a few hours later. You can also ask the oncologist about CCNU. It is a chemo drug that they use when cats come out of remission from the other chemo agents. It is synthetic, so cats get resistant to it more slowly. When the dex/depo shot got Simon to the point he could get more chemo, he got CCNU. That and the shots are what made him feel so great for the month. A few weeks after getting the CCNU, when his blood work showed him near remission again, he got Adriamycin for the first time, and a week later had a sudden auto-immune reaction and killed all his red blood cells and died. I do not know if it was a reaction to the cancer or to the Adriamycin. But I do know that the dex/depo shots and the CCNU worked wonders on the cancer together, and I wished afterwards that the oncologist had given him CCNU again rather than Adriamycin (though he insisted the auto-immune response was to the cancer and would have happened anyway). I read that about 50% of cats who have come out of remission go back into remission from CCNU, I think. I also do not think it is as harsh on the system as Adriamycin. I think that Belinda's Buddie, who had intestinal lymphoma I think (not sure), did well on CCNU also. But I think she had the small cell slow-growing kind of lymphoma, which is different than what Ewok has. Jen, I think there is little hope that Ewok is going to be cured of this. But I do think there is hope that might be able to feel well for another few weeks or months, and that there is some chance that with stronger steroids and something like CCNU he could go into remission, and a smaller chance that the remission could last a year or more as has happened in some cases. I would not expect this to happen, because I do not think it is the norm with positive cats, but I do not think you are expecting it. But I would certainly hope and pray for it at this point (and I am hoping and praying for it), because it could and has happened. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got backfrom the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass inhis intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't thinkstraight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar tosee if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours.Please continue to send out those healing vibes!Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
Hi Michelle! Thanks, again, for all of your sage advice and encouragment! My regular vet is going to call me back, I will ask her about the stronger steroids...what are their full names and how were they administered and how often? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 2:36 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor I'm sorry, Jen! That's horrible. Josephine did get tumors in her intestines secondary to tumors on her kidneys, and she lived a couple months with them just getting those shots, without even any chemo. The dex would visibly shrink the tumor within just a few hours. The day that the shot did not do that or make her start eating, I knew it was the end, and she went into respiratory distress a few hours later. You can also ask the oncologist about CCNU. It is a chemo drug that they use when cats come out of remission from the other chemo agents. It is synthetic, so cats get resistant to it more slowly. When the dex/depo shot got Simon to the point he could get more chemo, he got CCNU. That and the shots are what made him feel so great for the month. A few weeks after getting the CCNU, when his blood work showed him near remission again, he got Adriamycin for the first time, and a week later had a sudden auto-immune reaction and killed all his red blood cells and died. I do not know if it was a reaction to the cancer or to the Adriamycin. But I do know that the dex/depo shots and the CCNU worked wonders on the cancer together, and I wished afterwards that the oncologist had given him CCNU again rather than Adriamycin (though he insisted the auto-immune response was to the cancer and would have happened anyway). I read that about 50% of cats who have come out of remission go back into remission from CCNU, I think. I also do not think it is as harsh on the system as Adriamycin. I think that Belinda's Buddie, who had intestinal lymphoma I think (not sure), did well on CCNU also. But I think she had the small cell slow-growing kind of lymphoma, which is different than what Ewok has. Jen, I think there is little hope that Ewok is going to be cured of this. But I do think there is hope that might be able to feel well for another few weeks or months, and that there is some chance that with stronger steroids and something like CCNU he could go into remission, and a smaller chance that the remission could last a year or more as has happened in some cases. I would not expect this to happen, because I do not think it is the norm with positive cats, but I do not think you are expecting it. But I would certainly hope and pray for it at this point (and I am hoping and praying for it), because it could and has happened. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:15:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got back from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't thinkstraight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar to see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours.Please continue to send out those healing vibes! Jen
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
1/2 cc Dexamethasone and 1/2 cc depomedrol. Though the norm, when giving Depomedrol, is to give a whole cc at one time, and I have done that as well because some vets insist that is the right amount if you give depo at all. But the vet who taught me about doing the combo shots uses 1/2 cc of each. If it works, you wait to give the next one until the symptoms come back. It can be anywhere from weeks to days to somewhere in between. If the shot does nothing for him, he probably is in bad shape. When Simon was really bad, the oncologist gave him a dex shot and a depo shot. I do not remember if he did 1/2 cc of each or 1 cc of each. Simon did not get better that day, and I had 2 dex shots at home (from the vet who had taught me about them with my other two), and with the oncologist's knowledge I gave him a dex shot (1 cc, think, but it might have been 1/2 cc) the following day and, I think, the day after. When he did not respond, I thought it was all over. But two days later he sat up and asked for food and water and by the next day was running around. What I think happened was that, for Simon, the cancer was in his liver and bone marrow and so he was sick due to very high liver bilirubin levels and very low hematocrit. What I think happened is that the dex and depo shots did work right away in terms of shrinking the lymphoma in the liver and bone marrow, but it took him a few days to process the high bilirubin levels out of his system and make enough red blood cells to bring his hematocrit back up. So I think he may have had less cancer right after the shots, but I did not know that because it took him a few days to actually feel better, if that makes sense. With Josephine and Buddy, who had cancer in different places, the dex and depo shots always worked within 3 or 4 hours until their last days when the shots did not work at all. So I guess I would ask for a combined dex/depo shot of either 1/2 cc of each or 1 cc of each. If it works, I would expect to see a difference within 24 hours for sure. Since he does not have high liver or kidney values or as far as we know lymphoma in his bone marrow, I would assume that if the steroids are going to work they would make him feel better pretty quickly-- that the shrinking of the tumors itself would make him feel better. The one possible side effect of strong steroids, short-term, is diabetes. But it is very rare for that to happen in the short-term and usually is a long-term effect. Given Ewok's situation, I do not think there is a down-side to trying the steroids. Or to trying CCNU. If your oncologist has reservations about using dex/depo combination shots on him, you can tell him to call the oncologist who treated Simon. I have not been in touch with him for months, but he is a really nice guy and I am sure he will remember what happened and be willing to talk about it. His name is Jeff Philibert and he is at NEVOG in MA (New England Veterinary Oncology Group). He did research on heavy steroid use in cats before agreeing to do the shots. The other thing is that your oncologist would probably agree there is not much of a down-side to trying at this point, if the Elspar does not help (which hopefully it will). Lots of hopeful wishes, Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 3:53:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle!Thanks, again, for all of your sage advice and encouragment! My regularvet is going to call me back, I will ask her about the strongersteroids...what are their full names and how were they administered andhow often?
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
oh, and they can be administered subcutaneously or intramuscularly. The oncologist gave them to Simon intramuscularly, and I gave the follow-up dex shots subcutaneously. IM is faster than sub-q in terms of absorbtion rate. Michelle
Re: Chandra-- how is Buddha doing?
I would like to take a second and thank you ALL for your loving support and concern for Buddha over these past few days. Honestly, I really don't know if I would have been able to make it through this week without your advice and support. I am so touched by the fact that you really don't know me, and had never even heard of Buddha before Wednesday, yet you have generously taken time out of your life to help us get through this. I don't think I will ever be able to fully express how much it means to me and to Buddha. Yesterday evening he seemed to be doing much better. His nose was a little clearer and he was breathing easier. He seems to like taking the liquid cat food right from the syringe. He licks the syringe as I slowly push the food out, almost like a baby taking a bottle, but not quite. He took about 48-54 cc. over the course of the evening. My wonderful husband volunteered for the night shift so I could try and sleep through the night which was very nice although I still woke up every time Buddha made a noise. I am so thankful that we are both fortunate enough to have very flexible schedules right now. I feel strange saying this, but if this horrible time HAD to come, it couldn't have come at a better time in our lives. My husband runs his business from his home office and I am taking the semester off to finish my thesis, so right now one of us is always here. My husband got him to take quite a bit more food and some water throughout the night last night. Unfortunately, his cough also came back last night, which is very disappointing. He hadn't had a problem with it since the first time we took him to the new vet almost 2 weeks ago, so I was hopeful that it wouldn't be a problem again, at least for a while. We have an appointment to take him in for another fluid injection tomorrow morning so I guess I will see if there is anything else that we can do about the cough. I have thought a lot about what some of you have said, about switching to the stronger steroids, but since my vet is out of town for 2 weeks, I will either have to find another vet willing to give him the shots or see if her vet tech. can do it. Can vet techs give shots that aren't prescribed by the vet, even if I ask for it? No one is in their office today so I can't ask them, so I don't know if I should just try and call around and find another vet that would be willing to give the shots, or wait until I can ask my vet tech if she can do it tomorrow. I guess some of you have gone through, or are going through, this horrible phase of second guessing your every move. I feel so guilty about every decision I make, even if it feels like the right one. I am always worried that I am making the wrong choice and that the consequences for my wrong decisions could be fatal. Does that feeling ever go away? I just feel so lost. We don't have children yet, and Buddha has never been sick a day in his life until a month and a half ago, so I really have no past experiences to draw on. Which I guess brings me back to the first part of this email. I really don't know what I would do without your support. My friends and family are so sweet and they try to be supportive but all they can say is awww, that is so sad or oh, poor little guy. I know they are trying to help, but since they have never really gone through anything like this, they can't help me figure out if what we are doing is right, and what we can do better. grr. It is just so frustrating. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking about him all afternoon and evening. I have been through what you are going through, and it is hell. I am hoping he is feeling better, though realize he may not be. I hope that you will try the steroid shots before giving up completely, as they may make him feel a lot better (if you can find a vet to give them), but the shots are not a panacea and will not cure the cancer. I am so sorry you and he are going through this. Michelle Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: steroids and moods
My vet did say that he would SEEM to feel much better for a few days right after the steroid injection. She actually described it as a false feeling of well being. She said he would feel much better than he really was and that the feeling would wear off eventually. She was right Buddha felt better right away, even before we made it home. She also gave us herbal stress relieving drops which now make a lot more sense. I asked her at the time if it was a kind of kitty Valium to help keep him calm and she said that it was just to make him feel better because the cancer and the steroids are rough on the body and on the kitty mind. I have to keep reminding myself that he is 14 and not 3 or 5 or even 7 years old. Everything is probably affecting him even harder just because he is so old. --- Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, I have heard it IS different in cats. And for cats, I'm very glad. I would hate to wake up in the middle of the night to find my kitty glaring down at me from the nightstand with a tiny knife. (boo, hiss~I'll be here all week!) Eh-hem, anyways, I did not realize that dogs also get GI upset, but it's good info to know, since I do have dogs in my little fuzzy family as well. Often something like Zantac is prescribed to human patients along with steroids to combat this unpleasant side effect. But perhaps since steroids have been longer prescribed for humans, and is considered rather non traditional therapy for cats, I wonder if cats do experience other side effects that are unreported or more subtle. Might be something good to ask the vet, should my Cotton need to be on steroids. Sandy think it is really different in cats. They actually have a way, way higher tolerance for steroids than humans or dogs do. The amount of steroids I gave my cats with lymphoma would not be possible, proportionally, to give a human or a dog. Cats just have a phenomenally high tolerance for them for some reason. When Simon's oncologist was hesitant at first to do the kind of shots I wanted (dex and dep together), he did some research on how much steroids cats can get and told me that he was astounded at what studies have shown they can handle, like dex shots every day fairly long-term for bad skin conditions. After reading these studies he said he did not think the dex and dep shots could hurt and gave them, and Simon responded really well. The other thing that happens with humans and dogs, but not cats, from steroids is GI problems like ulcers. Cats do not tend to get GI reactions to steroids, due to their high tolerance. Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Chandra-- how is Buddha doing?
Chandra, First of all, it is great that he wants the food. What is the liquid food you are feeding him? A full day's food would be about 250 calories for an average sized cat. With most foods this amounts to about 100 cc's per day. But the food you are feeding may be more densely caloric, so the amount he is eating might be enough. It is a lot more than a lot of cats with cancer get into them, anyway. In terms of the shots, a vet would have to prescribe them. It is possible the vet tech could get hold of the vet by phone and get her ok and then give the shots, but you would have to ask her to do that. I would guess that you would not have much luck contacting a new vet with this request, as it is an unusual regimen to begin with and I doubt thata vet who does not normally use it would be willing to do it on your first visit and without having any relationship with you to talk it through. It might be worth a try, though. If you want to try that, I would talk to the vet tech at your vet's office and ask which vet is covering for your vet, as there must be someone, and try that vet. If not, ask that tech for a recommendation for another vet to see. Your vet knows Buddha has cancer and can not expect that you would not need to see a vet for two weeks at the stage he is at, so I can only assume that she left some instructions about this with the tech... In terms of the emotions you are going through, it is, unfortunately, what we all go through. I have stayed up most of the night for weeks checking on sick cats. I second guess everything while it is going on, and then worse after they pass away. What you need to realize is that this disease is going to kill Buddha at some point, hopefully later rather than sooner, but this means that you can not save him. There are things that might extend his life and make him feel better for a while, but you can not save him, in the end. That is the hardest thing to accept, when they are our babies and we provide for them and take care of them and feel like we should just be able to fix everything that is wrong. We can not protect them in the end. This does not mean that you don't have to make decisions, or that the decisions do not ever make a difference in length or quality of life. But it does mean that, whatever decisions we make, we do not have control over the outcome or the ultimate event. I wish we did, but we don't. We can only try to do things, as they come along, that seem most likely to help. The same decision, like using a certain medication, can have good results or bad results. We do not know what the result will be when we make the decision. If the outcome seems good, we applaud ourselves. If it seems bad we ask how we could ever have made that decision. But it was the same decision, whatever the outcome, made with the same level of knowledge and the same good intent. We only have control over the decisions, not their outcomes. If we could know the outcome in advance, they would not be decisions. We would just know what to do. What I am saying may not help you. I know these things, but they do not help me. Right now my Lucy, who has FeLV, seems to have gotten Irritable Bowel Disease, with diarrhea going on 2 months and some weight loss, because of a decision I made to not do surgery right away to remove a bladder stone because I thought the surgery would stress her and possibly trigger her FeLV into lymphoma, and I wanted to see if the stone could be dissolved by diet. If that had worked, I would be really happy I did not rush into surgery as the vet suggested. But because I waited, she had to be on Baytril, a really strong antibiotic, for the month we waited to keep the urinary tract infection from the bladder stone at bay, and I also had to change her diet twice. And she got persistent diarrhea from this that never has gone away, which could eventually lead to intestinal lymphoma, and she had to get the surgery anyway. So it was a terrible decision I made. But only because the stone did not turn out to be one that could dissolve. There was no way to know that. But do I feel guilty? Oh my god, I feel so guilty and question every day why i did not just do the surgery right away like the vet said. But you know what? If I had done that and it had turned out to be the kind that dissolves and she had complications or got lymphoma within months afterwards, I would feel sure I should have waited. With cancer, this catch-22 situation is much worse, because in the end, whenever that is, your baby is going to die from it. So whatever you do, even if it seems to help him in the short-term and makes you both happy now, will make you question yourself in the end at whatever point you can not save him. It is what happens. Some people are stronger emotionally and can get past this feeling quickly, are able to viscerally accept the lack of control over the final event and know that they did what they
Re: steroids and moods
What kind of shot did she give him? What she said is right in that steroids do increase feelings of well-being but do not cure cancer. But they do shrink the cancer quite a bit sometimes, and this actually causes them to feel physically better. Withmy cat Simon, the steroids even made his liver count come way down and his red blood cell count go way up, from shrinking the lymphoma in his liver and in his bone marrow and letting his body get back to normal for a while. The steroids did this when the chemo had stopped doing it. Having lower bilirubin and higher hematocrit is not a false sense of well-being, it is actually being more well from having less cancer. It just is not permanent. But nothing is at this point. If he can feel better for a few days or weeks or months before he passes, even if some part of that feeling better is "false," why not give that to him? With my cat Buddy, the steroids kept him running around and being silly even when his hematocrit was so low the vet thought he should not be able to stand. That may have been a false sense of well-being. But I am sure glad that he felt that way rather than feeling like he could not stand. Warm thoughts, Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:01:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My vet did say that he would SEEM to feel much betterfor a few days right after the steroid injection. Sheactually described it as a false feeling of wellbeing. She said he would feel much better than hereally was and that the feeling would wear offeventually. She was right Buddha felt better rightaway, even before we made it home.
Re: steroids and moods
This may be true. But someone on the lymphoma list-serve (which you might want to join, though some of the people on it can be kind of mean if you are not doing chemo, though there are some people on there who don't do chemo) had a cat who was 17, I think, when diagnosed, and I think lived to 18.5 years on chemo and steroids and did pretty well. But that cat did not have FeLV. When you are beating yourself up about your decisions, you need to keep reminding yourself that Buddha has lived longer with FeLV than almost any cat I have heard of, and that everyone on this list wants our cats to live as long and as well as Buddha. While that does not temper the pain of seeing him ill now, please remember that it is a testament to your having made some pretty damn good decisions in the past. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:01:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to keep remindingmyself that he is 14 and not 3 or 5 or even 7 yearsold. Everything is probably affecting him even harderjust because he is so old.
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
Aw Jen, I just caught up on the posts between you and Michelle about Ewok. I feel like there's a tumor in my belly :( . I'm so sorry. My thoughts, concerns and prayers are with you guys. I wish there were something else I could say or do. I hate this damn disease. I'm sending you all my love to comfort you. My arms are wrapped around you both, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that, Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got back from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't think straight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar to see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours. Please continue to send out those healing vibes!
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
Hi Michelle! Thanks so much...I'm going to be taking Ewok into his regular vet tomorrow morning for fluids and to pull the catheter that's been in his arm since Monday...I spoke with our vet just a few minutes ago and mentioned the combo shot...she hadn't heard of the two being used in combo, but she's willing to try anything for Ewok, so if the chemo doesn't do any good, we'll give the steroids a shot. Are the two administered separately (separate injections)? Or are they combined and then injected in one shot? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 3:22 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor oh, and they can be administered subcutaneously or intramuscularly. The oncologist gave them to Simon intramuscularly, and I gave the follow-up dex shots subcutaneously. IM is faster than sub-q in terms of absorbtion rate. Michelle
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
You can do it either way. I would do it in one shot just to stick him less, but other than that i do not think it matters. Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are the twoadministered separately (separate injections)? Or are they combined andthen injected in one shot?
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
Jen, I would ask the vet to teach you how to do subcutaneous fluids at home, if you don't already know how to do it, so you don't need to keep taking him in. If he is in really bad shape it is true that IV fluids get into his system faster, but longer-term it seems like sub-q fluids should be enough, to me (though I am no doctor)... Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 6:25:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...I'm going to be taking Ewok into his regular vettomorrow morning for fluids and to pull the catheter that's been in hisarm since Monday
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Nina
Hi Nina! Thanks so much for your email...it truly makes a huge difference knowing there are others out there who know exactly what you're going through! Right now, I have half a mind (which half? I don't know...it's hard to tell the sane half from the not-so-sane half right now... ;) ) to march right over to the mall, elbow my way through a line of 5 year olds, plop myself down on Santa's lap and tell him that all I want for Christmas is for my baby to get well...then, I'd tell the photographer to get several good shots of the crazy cat lady for my Christmas cards... :) Can you tell I need a little sleep and/or a stiff drink? LOL! Anyway, thanks for the hug...I needed that right about now! :) Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 4:41 pm Subject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor Aw Jen, I just caught up on the posts between you and Michelle about Ewok. I feel like there's a tumor in my belly :( . I'm so sorry. My thoughts, concerns and prayers are with you guys. I wish there were something else I could say or do. I hate this damn disease. I'm sending you all my love to comfort you. My arms are wrapped around you both, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn! I should have checked my email before I left...thanks for that,Michelle...I'm going to keep that one in mind! Ewok and I just got back from the oncologist's and it's as we all pretty much expected: a mass in his intestines (a lymph node I believe, but I'm so tired I can't thinkstraight right now...). So he was actually given a round of elspar to see if the tumor responds...I guess we'll know in the next 24-48 hours. Please continue to send out those healing vibes!
Re: [Fwd: Re: FYI: Blind Kitten at Coweta/Newnan Shelter-here is the latest I...
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Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?
Hey Jen,Thoughts and prayers coming your way for Ewok. I hope he turns the corner.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle!Our vet is *fairly* confident it's a reaction to the chemo (I think it started with the adriamycin...then the "nail-in-the-coffin," so-to-speak, was the vincristine). Fortunately, Ewok's oncologist is in town today, so my vet will be getting ahold of him to get any suggestions. Ewok is still hanging in there, but we're a little concerned that his temp this morning was just over 102!Update: The vet just called...she's concerned that his white blood cell count is rising...I'm going to go ahead and take him to the oncologist's office at 10:30. I'm just sick to my stomach, right now...Ewok has been able to keep the FeLV in check through all this so far, I feel like I'm tempting fate with the additional stress!Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers!Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief Dan George- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:46 amSubject: Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing? I am glad you are holding off on the chemo for now, but so sorry he is having this reaction. Does the vet think it is from the Adriamycin? Michelle In a message dated 12/16/2005 5:33:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle! Yes, Ewok was supposed to get another round of chemo this weekend (Cytoxen), but when I asked my vet about it, her eyes got really big and she shook her head vigorously, "NO." :) And he still on the Reglan (it's part of his daily i.v. drip)...but as for keeping his food down, we took a step backwards tonight...I'm hoping it was just the result of another drug my vet prescribed (sucralfate?), so I'm up at this ungodly hour after the poor guy, again, with a syringe! So far, so good...about 10 ccs of watered down A/D (that seems to be the one I've had the most luck with) over the course of about a 1/2 hour and no vomit! Gosh, it amazes me sometimes the things I'm profoundly thankful for... ;) Anyhoo, we'll be back at the vet's again in about 4 hours...he's still in good spirits for the little nurishment he's gotten over the past week...At this point, I'm starting to hope for a miracle... :( Take care and positive vibes out to poor Lucy!! Jen
Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list addition
Everyone,Thank you for your responses. I knew there were people here would understand. We have a girl on a list here trying to give away her 4 cats because she bought a new car! Yes, we checked it out. How selfish can people be. I guess pets are like an old pair of shoes to them. It makes me MAD as much as it makes me depressed.Also, I have over a hundred emails to go through, but hopefully I'll find out some info about the elderly lady caring for all of the cats on a fixed income.tonyaBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheila and all,Keep on writing those letters - to the newspapers too.Bonnie"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens canchange the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."-- Margaret Mead, anthropologist- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:59 amSubject: Re: Tonya- depression-bridge list additionTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Tonya,I feel exactly the same way. Ever since seeing Larry King my depression has been overwhelming. Maybe I have been wearing blinders but I knew absolutely nothing about this situation and I wish I still knew nothing about it. I know that makes me a coward but I can't help it. I can't even watch the animal shows where the lions run the poor helpless prey down and kill them for food. I can't get the look of fear on the poor babies faces out of my mind. The cruelty in this world is unbelievable. I still can't sleep for the depression. If I could wake up and it would be spring, maybe that would help. All I can do now is write letters, sign petitions and try to get my friends to do the same. Sheila in SC trying to cope. God bless you for your kindness.
Fw: Need advice on preggo FELV+ cat - abort/spay. (also needs home ASAP)
Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIRECTLY, as she is NOT a member of this group, and will NOT get the reply if you click reply! - Original Message - From: squiggle_chick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 7:39 PM Subject: [PurringPixieCatResource] Hi all...I am new to the group and am in search of some help I took in an 8 month stray two weeks ago and got her in to see the vet yesterday. She tested positive for feline leukemia and I also found out that she is pregnant. I am trying to find her a home ASAP. I can not keep her, I have a 15 year old cat that is negative. Several people have told me that I should get her fixed and basially have the kittens aborted due to them as well being positive and all the problems that go with being a kitten with it. If any one has any ideas for a home or thoughts on the kittens, please let me know. I want to do what is best for the cat and her kittens. Thanks -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005
Re: Depressing stuff- a little OT (very freakin OT)
I apologize to you, Wendy, since my post started this. We all have different views on religion, and are typically free to speak them as long as we're on topic. I did bring up the topic of my depression. I am a Christian, and I think that's what bothers me most about being so depressed. I have thought of seeking Christian counselling as opposed to 'regular' counselling, as I feel like I should be able handle this and see it a different way or something. I don't know, and don't want to start a religious conversation that's off topic here, but there are people here from many different religious backgrounds, and in general we are all pretty tolerant of others' views.tonyawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jenn,I am not talking about pot. I am talking about thedrugs that make a person feel as if they need to killto keep their high going, like heroine, crack, etc. These people can be out of their minds while on thesestrong mind-altering chemicals. And I am notslandering drug users. I am, however, stating facts. I do not believe that people doing bad things while onthese drugs to keep their high are necessarily badpeople without the drugs. And no, thank God that Idon't have much first-hand experience with drugs; butI have friends and family who work in law enforcement,welfare (my mother), and other fields that come homewith stories about the everyday lives of people whouse these drugs. Thank you for sharing your opinions with me, andalthough I agree with a lot of what you say, such ashow to raise children, I respectfully disagree withsome of it. It would have been nice had you done thesame instead of berating me for my views. We are alldifferent and that's what makes the world such aninteresting place. I am not here to start anyarguments about anything. I am not here to "convert"anyone. And I do not agree that you respect the rightof freedom of religion, as you have berated me herefor my religious views. That is part of who I am andit will come through in my writing, and I am askingthat you be respectful of that, as I will continue tobe respectful of you. If you have anything further tosay to me directly, please email me privately, as I donot enjoy being humiliated in front of people Irespect. I apologize to all of you for getting offtopic. Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Fw: Need advice on preggo FELV+ cat - abort/spay. (also needs home ASAP)
In a message dated 12/16/05 11:03:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIRECTLY, as she is NOT a member of thisgroup, and will NOT get the reply if you click "reply"! Jenn~ Squiggle_chick DID join this list... She posted about this cat, 12/14 - thread called "Cat Question". And she did get some very good advice, replies. Maybe she did not like it though, since she was "gently" being convinced to keep the poor girl (and have her spayed/aborted). I see with this post she states she CAN NOT keep her due to her elderly cat... I guess I will reply to her off-list and see if there is any way she can do something for this baby She WAS given very sound advice from our knowledgeable esteemed members, probably NOT what she wanted to hear tho'...(Or, maybe she hasn't followed the list, perhaps I'll go ahead forward the replies, IN CASE she missed them) Patti
Re: Chandra-- how is Buddha doing?
In a message dated 12/16/05 4:47:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can vet techs give shotsthat aren't prescribed by the vet, even if I ask forit? Chandra~ I am happy to hear that Buddha is feeling well enough to eat. Sorry to hear is cough came back... As far as techs doing the shots, in the office I worked at, we could do the shots, but they had to be Rx'd by the vet. Perhaps she can contact the vet (emergency #??) while she is out of office and get oral authorization from the vet Usually when vets are out of office, they leave an emergency number where they can be reached. I also feel the steroid shots would be a great help for Buddha right now. And Chandra, I am sure everyone on the list will agree, that when we go thru a crisis with our fur-kids, there is always the second guessing, the what if's. We are all afraid that we might make the "wrong" decision. And, it never gets easier.. I strongly believe that our babies actually help guide us thru these times, with their body language, "looks" from their eyes. We fight for them, and with them. Hopefully, always with their best interests in mind. We all want to do everything and anything to help them feel better. The most difficult part of all this is knowing when to let go.. The most unselfish act of love is letting our babies go peacefully, with dignity respect. Every situation is different. And, like I said, no matter how many times one goes thru it, it never does get any easier, at least not for me. Just know in your heart that you are doing all you can for your Buddha ~ I also believe that the "connection" between furbaby human at this time will help "guide" you on this journey. I wish you and Buddha all the best. (And, your husband too - He sounds so supportive, you are very fortunate.) And, as for support, the people on this list ARE the best You will not find a better group of people anywhere. It is always sad when someone finds this list due to a sad situation, Felv is just dreadful, but friendships are formed, support is given, there is always an "open ear", and although we don't always agree, we can "agree to disagree", with the deepest respect for one another. We will always be here for you. Big Hugs to Buddha!! Love, Patti
Re: Jen-- how is Ewok doing?--Another tumor
Jen~ My thoughts and prayers are with you and Ewok. I was so saddened to hear the news regarding the tumor. I pray little Ewok will get some relief with new treatments pursued... Big hugs to both of you! Love, Patti
Re: steroids and moods
In a message dated 12/16/05 5:16:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While that does not temper the pain of seeing him ill now, please remember that it is a testament to your having made some pretty damn good decisions in the past. VERY WELL STATED!!!
