date:20061110


You will find the legal contract information with all relevant details
>to constitute a legal contract for my services - the official invoice -
>  and agreement to mail the relevant check - all in x
>emails.
>Legally that is all that is required.
>
>The dates of relevant emails may help you:
>
>Same day 2.48pm, the contract with ALL necessary details, including:
>"HOMEOPATHY CONSULT FORMALITIES:
>(LEGALITIES so that I comply with WA state law:)"
>Note that fees were due THAT DAY - 9-14-06.
>
>11/1/06 PAyPal invoice sent with PayPal response:
>" This email confirms that you sent an invoice for $656.00 USD to
>
>That would have been 11-2-06. It is now 11-10-06.
>
>What's overdue including till end Oct is $625 if paid immediately by
>check; or $656 by PayPal - sent TODAY.
>After that there are overdue fees which will be billed according to how
>late the payment for the main fee is sent.
>
>On Monday - failing receipt of funds by PayPal or at least evidence of
>mailing of my check - I must notify the three credit reporting agencies
>of the breach of contract.
>>Sincerely,
>Irene de Villiers.
>--

(no subject)



The homeopath is question is now threatening to turn this client in 
to a collection agency!!!

Kelly

Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS

2006-11-10 Thread Marylyn




I'm so sorry.  Peace be to him and to you and 
his friends. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man.  
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sherry 
  DeHaan 
  To: Felvtalk 
  Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:50 
  PM
  Subject: Evander Please add him to the 
  CLS
  
  I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very 
  unique boy. :(
  Thank you for your prayers.
  Sherry
  
  
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Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS

Sherry,GLOW to light his path and ease your heart... Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Felvtalk Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:50:58 PMSubject: Evander Please add him to the CLSI am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :(  Thank you for your prayers. 
 Sherry 
	



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Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)

m I'm partial to caramels and peanut butter m&m's - but my mom makes the best caramel in the world...  oh, and if you're willing to dare to make it, I can give you her amazing 2 ingredient fudge recipe that's  inspired Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:01:53 PMSubject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT -
 migraines)

At 05:09 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
Sweet tooth...Oh yes. I get sugar cravings s bad, the other day I
asked my husband ( who makes this wonderful DIVINITY to do a batch, He
did and by the next day it was al gone,
That is serious,
Kelly

hehehe yeah, I have a natural
sweet tooth - double barrel (both sides of the family) but I didn't need
any help - I could really tell the difference though - at least
initially, because it wasn't just ' oh I want some chocolate' it was
"I MUST HAVE SWEET NOW" I gained 20 pounds in the first
2 months I was on it...
I take it at bedtime too and I am sooo glad it works!!!  
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely
living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous 

- Original Message 
From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:02:08 PM
Subject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)
Sweets cravings? I had
those BEFORE the Amitriptylin, so it would be hard for me to say! As for
dry mouth.. well, sometimes I get terribly thirsty, but I never connected
it to the medicine... I take that at night, right before I go to sleep...
I do keep a water bottle on my nightstand though. I've been known on many
occasions to wake up at 3 AM and have a bowl of cereal or ice cream... I
wake up with "carb attacks". I don't think it has anything to
do with the meds though, I've done that forever.
Phaewryn
 
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see, compared to THAT, on the pain scale, mine was minimal, but it never. went away and you get used to things that never go away - it was just a fact of life that my face always hurt, I couldn't wear my glasses for more than a few minutes at a time - that time I forgot to take my meds with me and the pain came back, I was surprised at how bad it was and that I'd become accustomed to THAT level - I'd probably put it at about a 6 because I've had worse head pain.  The worst was the aftermath of a bout of food poisoning - the emesis was so violent that I actually bruised my sinuses.  And I learned, from my ENT, that yes, you can bruise sinus tissue with pressure and usually when that happens, a hematoma will develop and usually after/during the healing of the hematoma, a sinus infection
 will come.  I had all of the above - and only because I had a hematoma in one of my sphenoid cavities can I relate, sort of, to the level of pain you describe - it was horrific - the first couple days I tried narcotics, but they did absolutely nothing - the only thing that helped, besides being unconscious, was a FULL GRAM dose of ibuprofen - REALLY pushing the max dose limit - it took about 10-12 days for the pain to finally start localizing (good sign of healing, it's not radiating to everything in its vicinity) and about 6 weeks after that the infection hit.  I've had 2 sinus surgeries and this last one has helped a LOT with the swelling from irritants - it's so nice now - if I'm stuffy in the morning, it only takes a minute or two to clear, instead of an hour or two, maybe.The thing that I think is funny, is that the doctors don't really understand how it is that these tricyclics (which are neural transmitters) actually get rid of pain - my ENT said,
 "We don't know why it works, but it frequently does; let's try this" Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous- Original Message From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:20:28 PMSubject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)

 
 


It really has given me my life back, so 
I know exactly how you feel. 
 
I was at the point of almost going to 
buy a gun to kill myself, the pain was so bad and nothing helped it. I would lay 
curled up in a ball on the bathroom floor, alternating between shivering so bad 
my teeth would chatter, and burning up so bad that I was pouring sweat and had 
to lay there naked; that between bouts of flinging myself to the toilet to vomit 
every 30 minutes. It hurt to open my eyes, it hurt to have any noise at all, it 
hurt anyways, but it hurt worse if there was noise or light. The pain is 
indescribable really. Like acid in your brain almost, just so much pain in your 
head that you couldn't cope, and all you could do was lay there crying, 
clutching your head in agony. At least mine was in waves, and I got relief 
between bouts, I can't imagine you having that ALL the time.
 
I wish someone would had euthanised ME 
then. I never thought anything could help, I had invested so much money and 
time, and years of searching for answers into it, I'd really given up (my credit 
is ruined because of the tens of thousands I owe in hospital bills). Then this 
doctor comes along, and now... I have my life back. You really can't describe it 
to someone that hasn't been there. And my prescription, it costs TEN DOLLARS for 
a MONTH supply. WHY didn't this happen sooner?! Just goes to show, all the new 
drugs are not always the answer... a drug older than I AM is what finally saved 
me. A drug so old, none of the younger, up to date doctors even KNEW about 
it!
Phaewryn
 
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BTW, MC, I did NOT pass that along to 
the FIVCATS2 list, I figured they already knew there... if you haven't seen it 
there (you stay on mail for that list, right?), please do pass it on to 
them.
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You may want to fix my typos when you 
pass it on, LOL.
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Poor Evander, I hope my thoughts of 
peace made it through to him, and sped his journey.
 
How is Gus doing? I was able to 
visualize him more clearly.
Phaewryn
 
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Re: Evander Please add him to the CLS

2006-11-10 Thread G. Lane


Sherry, I'm so sorry...

Gloria

At 08:50 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a 
very unique boy. :(

Thank you for your prayers.
Sherry


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2006-11-10 Thread Gina WN

:(  I'm very sorry to hear that.     GinaSherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :(  Thank you for your prayers.  Sherry  Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.Visit my Tigger Tales site!       See my cats' gallery at Zazzle 
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Re: DNA testing for FIV, can differentiate from vaccinated or true positive! (and it's free)

2006-11-10 Thread TenHouseCats

wow, no, i DIDN'T know about this--i know they've been trying to come up with a test that is reliable and reproducible. i'll try to get more info and pass it on
thanks!
On 11/9/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks to Marilyn Krieger from Bengal Cat Rescue fro informing me of this new test! This new, I hadn't even heard of it yet, I will have to pass this along to all the lists I'm on! I'm sure they know about it on the FIV lists, right MC? I admit I'm on no mail on FIVCATS2... This is wonderful! and it's FREE (of course, someone has to draw the blood, and buy packaging and pay the overnight shipping via Fed-Ex)

http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/Homesite%20Images/Diagnostic%20PCR%20Price%20Schedule.doc
(you have to scroll down quite some way to the section titled FIV DNA Testing Information.)
FIV DNA Testing Information
Lucy Whittier Molecular and Diagnostic Core Facility Phone: 530.752-79912108 Tupper Hall Fax: 530.754-6862University of California
Department of Medicine & EpidemiologyEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]School of Veterinary Medicine
Davis, CA 95616
Dear Clinician,
Thank you for requesting information about our FIV DNA test. At this time we require 2 mL of whole blood in an EDTA (Lavender Top) Vacutainer tube, along with information outlined below. The test is offered at no charge. The PCR assay detects the viral genome directly and therefore differentiates infected from vaccinated animals. Results will be faxed to you within 48 hours upon receipt of the sample except for Friday deliveries, which will be faxed 72 hours upon receipt.

Please include the following information with each sample:
1. Veterinarians name2. Your complete mailing address3. Your phone and fax number4. Number of samples sent5. Sample type6. Species of animal
7. Type of test requested
Shipping Instructions:
1. All Shipments must comply with the International Air Transport Association (IATA) Dangerous Goods regulations. Please consult the IATA website
http://www.iata.org or the FedEx Dangerous Goods/Hazardous Materials Hotline at 800.463.3339 (press 81) for further information.2. Send on ice in a Styrofoam container (no ice needed for fixed tissues)
3. Ship overnight (Do not ship on Friday)4. Use FedEx or other express courier5. Federal Tax Identification Number 946036494
Shipping Address:
Christian Leutenegger2108 Tupper HallVet Med: Medicine & Epid.Davis, CA 95616Tel: 530.752.7991

Phaewryn
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Evander Please add him to the CLS

2006-11-10 Thread Sherry DeHaan

I am so sad to say that we lost our sweet Evander today.He was a very unique boy. :(  Thank you for your prayers.  Sherry 
	



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Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)



At 05:09 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
Sweet tooth...Oh yes. I get sugar cravings s bad, the other day I
asked my husband ( who makes this wonderful DIVINITY to do a batch, He
did and by the next day it was al gone,
That is serious,
Kelly

hehehe yeah, I have a natural
sweet tooth - double barrel (both sides of the family) but I didn't need
any help - I could really tell the difference though - at least
initially, because it wasn't just ' oh I want some chocolate' it was
"I MUST HAVE SWEET NOW" I gained 20 pounds in the first
2 months I was on it...
I take it at bedtime too and I am sooo glad it works!!!  
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely
living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
- Anonymous 

- Original Message 
From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:02:08 PM
Subject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)
Sweets cravings? I had
those BEFORE the Amitriptylin, so it would be hard for me to say! As for
dry mouth.. well, sometimes I get terribly thirsty, but I never connected
it to the medicine... I take that at night, right before I go to sleep...
I do keep a water bottle on my nightstand though. I've been known on many
occasions to wake up at 3 AM and have a bowl of cereal or ice cream... I
wake up with "carb attacks". I don't think it has anything to
do with the meds though, I've done that forever.
Phaewryn
 
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
http://ucat.us/adopt.html 
Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial
Assistance for cat owners:

http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html
Special Needs Cat Resources:

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
The Sofa Poem:
http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html

Find us on PETFINDER!

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It really has given me my life back, so 
I know exactly how you feel. 
 
I was at the point of almost going to 
buy a gun to kill myself, the pain was so bad and nothing helped it. I would lay 
curled up in a ball on the bathroom floor, alternating between shivering so bad 
my teeth would chatter, and burning up so bad that I was pouring sweat and had 
to lay there naked; that between bouts of flinging myself to the toilet to vomit 
every 30 minutes. It hurt to open my eyes, it hurt to have any noise at all, it 
hurt anyways, but it hurt worse if there was noise or light. The pain is 
indescribable really. Like acid in your brain almost, just so much pain in your 
head that you couldn't cope, and all you could do was lay there crying, 
clutching your head in agony. At least mine was in waves, and I got relief 
between bouts, I can't imagine you having that ALL the time.
 
I wish someone would had euthanised ME 
then. I never thought anything could help, I had invested so much money and 
time, and years of searching for answers into it, I'd really given up (my credit 
is ruined because of the tens of thousands I owe in hospital bills). Then this 
doctor comes along, and now... I have my life back. You really can't describe it 
to someone that hasn't been there. And my prescription, it costs TEN DOLLARS for 
a MONTH supply. WHY didn't this happen sooner?! Just goes to show, all the new 
drugs are not always the answer... a drug older than I AM is what finally saved 
me. A drug so old, none of the younger, up to date doctors even KNEW about 
it!
Phaewryn
 
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost 
Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat 
owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial 
Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us 
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hehehe yeah, I have a natural sweet tooth - double barrel (both sides of the family) but I didn't need any help - I could really tell the difference though - at least initially, because it wasn't just ' oh I want some chocolate' it was "I MUST HAVE SWEET NOW" I gained 20 pounds in the first 2 months I was on it...
I take it at bedtime too and I am sooo glad it works!!!   Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

- Original Message From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 7:02:08 PMSubject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)


Sweets cravings? I had those BEFORE the Amitriptylin, so it would be hard for me to say! As for dry mouth.. well, sometimes I get terribly thirsty, but I never connected it to the medicine... I take that at night, right before I go to sleep... I do keep a water bottle on my nightstand though. I've been known on many occasions to wake up at 3 AM and have a bowl of cereal or ice cream... I wake up with "carb attacks". I don't think it has anything to do with the meds though, I've done that forever.
Phaewryn
 
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html
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Sweets cravings? I had those BEFORE the 
Amitriptylin, so it would be hard for me to say! As for dry mouth.. well, 
sometimes I get terribly thirsty, but I never connected it to the medicine... I 
take that at night, right before I go to sleep... I do keep a water bottle on my 
nightstand though. I've been known on many occasions to wake up at 3 AM and have 
a bowl of cereal or ice cream... I wake up with "carb attacks". I don't think it 
has anything to do with the meds though, I've done that 
forever.
Phaewryn
 
Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html Low cost 
Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat 
owners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial 
Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
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even though the atypical migraine wasn't any fun at all (24/7 pain and all that) I rarely had problems with the ones that attack, small favors Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

- Original Message From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:18:37 PMSubject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)
Oh, yeah, I take mine religiously and RIGHT before bed. If I skip a single night Ifeel "airy" the next day, like you feel right before a migraine.PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlLow cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for catowners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlThe Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version:
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Oh, yeah, I take mine religiously and RIGHT before bed. If I skip a single 
night I
feel "airy" the next day, like you feel right before a migraine.

Phaewryn

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Kelly,
with the addition of the nortriptyline to my regimen, I bought a weekly pill box - that alone has helped me be better with ALL my meds Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

- Original Message From: kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, November 10, 2006 6:01:57 PMSubject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)
At 03:53 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:Tried it. Elavil...low dose...I am bad at not using it daily, It did make me tired though.Thanks>Kelly, I suffered for years with migraines. And like you I was on >Imitrex. I went in>for CAT scans, MRI's etc, they never found a cause. I was about fed >up with not being>able to function. I went to an OLD doctor, the oldest one at the >clinic I usually go>to (I'd always seen a young and handsome DR before, and I got this >guy because he was>the only one with openings). Anyways, he took my history, asked me >for everything I'd>tried, then he asked "Ever tried Amitriptylin?" I was like "What's >that?", and he>told me it's an old style tricyclic antidepressant, when use in high >dosages (300MG>and up), but it's been shown to END chronic pain and migraines, >though no testing has>ever been done to
 study the "hows" of it. Anyways, the dosage is >25MG once a day at>bedtime. I kid you not, I went from 2 migraines a week, to NONE in a >month, and have>not had but ONE since (about 6  months ago). SO... I advise you ask >your doctor about>low dose Amitriptylin.>>Phaewryn>>Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html>Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial >Assistance for cat>owners:>http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html>Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html>The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html>Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html-->No virus found in this outgoing message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006>-->No virus found in this incoming message.>Checked by AVG Free Edition.>Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.2/528 - Release Date: 11/10/2006

Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)


I second that advice!!  I've had chronic sinus problems and severe chronic facial pain for years - sinuses swelled shut when I woke up in the morning - face puffy, couldn't wear my glasses (too heavy) and talk about cranky - pain 24/7 is exhausting.  I don't have allergies, but I have extremely sensitive sinus tissue and exposure to various irritants used to cause major swelling (I had a turbinate reduction and adenoidectomy - FABULOUS results).  That was about last Christmas, but August/Sept of '05, all my doctors were still just confused about why my face always hurt.  They just were calling it atypical migraine and ended up putting me on daily nortriptyline - another one of those old fashioned tricyclic antidepressants and with one dosage adjustment - it WORKS  And I hadn't realized how well it was working until the 4th of July weekend when I forgot my meds and visited my
 mom...  just 3 missed doses and the pain was back.  I LOVE my nortriptyline!!
 
Phaewryn, have you had amitriptyline cause the same sweets-craving and/or dry-mouth that nortriptyline gives me?   Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

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Kelly, I suffered for years with migraines. And like you I was on Imitrex. I went infor CAT scans, MRI's etc, they never found a cause. I was about fed up with not beingable to function. I went to an OLD doctor, the oldest one at the clinic I usually goto (I'd always seen a young and handsome DR before, and I got this guy because he wasthe only one with openings). Anyways, he took my history, asked me for everything I'dtried, then he asked "Ever tried Amitriptylin?" I was like "What's that?", and hetold me it's an old style tricyclic antidepressant, when use in high dosages (300MGand up), but it's been shown to END chronic pain and migraines, though no testing hasever been done to study the "hows" of it. Anyways, the dosage is 25MG once a day atbedtime. I kid you not, I went from 2 migraines a week, to NONE in a month, and havenot had but ONE since (about 6  months ago). SO... I advise you ask your doctor aboutlow
 dose Amitriptylin.PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlLow cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for catowners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlThe Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006

Re: Homoepathic SCAM??


especially seeing as you can't KNOW it is FIP until after the animal is dead
 
the only exception to that would be a kitty coming down with the same symptoms a former housemate had who had been positively diagnosed (necropsy) with it Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous

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LMAO! Heck no! I wouldn't give her the time of day, much less a single penny of myhard earned money! You can RESEARCH which homoeopathics to give for which symptomsyourself, if you choose that route, you don't need some crazy lady with an itchy handfor that! Personally, I don't think you can cure FIP with homoeopathics PERIOD, anduntil I see real scientific studies done by professional veterinarians provingotherwise, then I will continue to keep that conclusion.PhaewrynPlease adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlLow cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for catowners:http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.htmlSpecial Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlThe
 Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.htmlFind us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.1/527 - Release Date: 11/9/2006

Re: Homoepathy - Kelly

At 03:52 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

I have no problem with all kinds of alternative treatments, We try 
everything, I have a problem with someone who does make claims and 
refuses to back them up,
but then there is that on saying,,buyer beware or fool me once shame 
on you... fool me twice shame on me,
I am having wonderful luck with Alferon, the natural interferon, But 
I read the studies first,

SAM-E is a supplement that is proven to work on the liver,
Great things out there.
 and a client trying any last ditch effort is understandable, being 
financially ripped off is inexcusable, especially by someone who 
claims to love cats,

Kelly

FIP is difficult any way you look at it.  I don't know what his/her 
claims are, but I think if anything the client is agreeing (I 
assume) to try anything in an already impossible situation.

Slippery elm is really reasonable, as it's soothing to the digestive 
tract.  I've used it, love it.

Interferon is something I would have tried, and it didn't seem to be 
too expensive.

I used an Australian homeopath for a Feleuk kitty once, but again, 
think it's a shot in the dark for an impossible situation.  All that 
$$$ down the tubes.  Happens with people who are sick too :)

Sorry, I'm heading out right now or would read more detail, but 
looking at what's on the list, what's on her list seems to make 
sense.   Which doesn't mean she's necessarily nice, or skilled, just 
not unreasonable.

Oops, gotta run - out of time to meet someone for dinner.

Gloria

At 05:29 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

At 03:17 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

Would rather not say which homeopath it is,
Are those reasonable prices??Would not a reputable practitioner be 
able to substantiate their claims.?  Oh, the cat died by the way,
Would you risk your pets life to anyone making claims they can't or 
will not back up. I would love to see them work. That is true for 
any profession, Medical, legal, financial etc.
I would not hire anyone to put a roof on my house without 
references, I want to see their work and talk to their other clients,

I think that is reasonable and prudent and responsible,
Kelly Lane

I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with 
great success (never tried it with FIP though).  Her list of 
"stuff" looks reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is.

Gloria

At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in 
desperate situations, there is a " Homeopath" who also has  a 
site, Without going into  all of the details which I have records 
of this person frightens people in to following her  plan and 
charges a lot of money, she has made a claim on her site that she 
has an over 50% success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to 
give any references, If you ask you just get insulted,  she tells 
them she can only take on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky 
enough to be selected for her fee she will take you on as a client,
I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I 
have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were 
insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with 
this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis 
had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat 
to the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without 
surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy,
I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so 
please correct me if I am in error,

   This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the
> >original is sent via PayPal.
> >
> >Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06.
> >Copy here:
> >
> > > Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a
> >specific
> > > remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98
>each
> > > additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at
>the
> > > start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case
> > > progresses, if the symptoms change significantly.
> > > The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the
recommendations
> > > accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies,
>supplements,
> > > and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about
8
> > > hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a
> >consult.
> >
> >[This was not received yet.]
> >
> > > After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on
which
> > > advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as
>not
> >to
> > > charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars.
> >
> >INVOICE ITEMS:
> >9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25
> >9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25
> >9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20
> >9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25
> >9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25
> >9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zin

Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)


At 03:53 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

Tried it. Elavil...low dose...I am bad at not using it daily, It did 
make me tired though.

Thanks


Kelly, I suffered for years with migraines. And like you I was on 
Imitrex. I went in
for CAT scans, MRI's etc, they never found a cause. I was about fed 
up with not being
able to function. I went to an OLD doctor, the oldest one at the 
clinic I usually go
to (I'd always seen a young and handsome DR before, and I got this 
guy because he was
the only one with openings). Anyways, he took my history, asked me 
for everything I'd
tried, then he asked "Ever tried Amitriptylin?" I was like "What's 
that?", and he
told me it's an old style tricyclic antidepressant, when use in high 
dosages (300MG
and up), but it's been shown to END chronic pain and migraines, 
though no testing has
ever been done to study the "hows" of it. Anyways, the dosage is 
25MG once a day at
bedtime. I kid you not, I went from 2 migraines a week, to NONE in a 
month, and have
not had but ONE since (about 6  months ago). SO... I advise you ask 
your doctor about

low dose Amitriptylin.

Phaewryn

Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial 
Assistance for cat

owners:
http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html
Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html
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Re: Homoepathic SCAM?? (OT - migraines)

Kelly, I suffered for years with migraines. And like you I was on Imitrex. I 
went in
for CAT scans, MRI's etc, they never found a cause. I was about fed up with not 
being
able to function. I went to an OLD doctor, the oldest one at the clinic I 
usually go
to (I'd always seen a young and handsome DR before, and I got this guy because 
he was
the only one with openings). Anyways, he took my history, asked me for 
everything I'd
tried, then he asked "Ever tried Amitriptylin?" I was like "What's that?", and 
he
told me it's an old style tricyclic antidepressant, when use in high dosages 
(300MG
and up), but it's been shown to END chronic pain and migraines, though no 
testing has
ever been done to study the "hows" of it. Anyways, the dosage is 25MG once a 
day at
bedtime. I kid you not, I went from 2 migraines a week, to NONE in a month, and 
have
not had but ONE since (about 6  months ago). SO... I advise you ask your doctor 
about
low dose Amitriptylin.

Phaewryn

Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html
Low cost Spay&Neuter services in VT, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat
owners:
http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html
Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
The Sofa Poem: http://ucat.us/sofapoem.html
Find us on PETFINDER! http://petfinder.com/shelters/VT44.html



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Re: Homoepathy - Kelly

2006-11-10 Thread G. Lane

FIP is difficult any way you look at it.  I don't know what his/her 
claims are, but I think if anything the client is agreeing (I assume) 
to try anything in an already impossible situation.

Slippery elm is really reasonable, as it's soothing to the digestive 
tract.  I've used it, love it.

Interferon is something I would have tried, and it didn't seem to be 
too expensive.

I used an Australian homeopath for a Feleuk kitty once, but again, 
think it's a shot in the dark for an impossible situation.  All that 
$$$ down the tubes.  Happens with people who are sick too :)

Sorry, I'm heading out right now or would read more detail, but 
looking at what's on the list, what's on her list seems to make 
sense.   Which doesn't mean she's necessarily nice, or skilled, just 
not unreasonable.

Oops, gotta run - out of time to meet someone for dinner.

Gloria

At 05:29 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

At 03:17 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

Would rather not say which homeopath it is,
Are those reasonable prices??Would not a reputable practitioner be 
able to substantiate their claims.?  Oh, the cat died by the way,
Would you risk your pets life to anyone making claims they can't or 
will not back up. I would love to see them work. That is true for 
any profession, Medical, legal, financial etc.
I would not hire anyone to put a roof on my house without 
references, I want to see their work and talk to their other clients,

I think that is reasonable and prudent and responsible,
Kelly Lane

I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with 
great success (never tried it with FIP though).  Her list of 
"stuff" looks reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is.

Gloria

At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in 
desperate situations, there is a " Homeopath" who also has  a 
site, Without going into  all of the details which I have records 
of this person frightens people in to following her  plan and 
charges a lot of money, she has made a claim on her site that she 
has an over 50% success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to 
give any references, If you ask you just get insulted,  she tells 
them she can only take on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky 
enough to be selected for her fee she will take you on as a client,
I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I 
have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were 
insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with 
this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis 
had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to 
the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without 
surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy,
I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please 
correct me if I am in error,

   This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the
> >original is sent via PayPal.
> >
> >Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06.
> >Copy here:
> >
> > > Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a
> >specific
> > > remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98
>each
> > > additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at
>the
> > > start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case
> > > progresses, if the symptoms change significantly.
> > > The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the
recommendations
> > > accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies,
>supplements,
> > > and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about
8
> > > hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a
> >consult.
> >
> >[This was not received yet.]
> >
> > > After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on
which
> > > advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as
>not
> >to
> > > charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars.
> >
> >INVOICE ITEMS:
> >9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25
> >9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25
> >9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20
> >9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25
> >9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25
> >9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00
> >9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary)
> >9-21-06 Follow-up $25
> >9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25
> >9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25
> >9-28-06 Short email $5
> >10-03-06 Short email $5
> >10-03-06 Fip 30C and 200c nosode parcel $35
> >10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 200C before Dharma is fully well. $10
> >10-11-06 Instructions how to ensure the nosodes last several years.
$25
> >10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25
> >10-25-06 Follow-up emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25.
> >10-26-06 Multiple email follow-ups $25
> >10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and Pic-ac) $98
> >

Re: Homoepathic SCAM??


At 03:39 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:


  Yup the blush and hair care. I agree. I do agree with holistic 
care. I am not sure about homeopathy. But even if I were, this 
persons methods, demeanor and prices. Verbal abuse and scare tactics 
tend to give her peers a bad rep.

Just like a bad vet can make it hard on the rest.
Kelly


Cardinal t-square??  You're killing me MC!
I hadn't really noticed that the people I meet in health food stores 
look sickly, maybe it's the lack of hair care products and blush 
that make them look that way, (I fit right in btw).  It could be 
that people looking for alternative remedies have already been let 
down by the allopathic community and are searching for that last 
hope of cure for what ever ails them.  I was introduced to 
homeopathics when my husband Bruce was in a nasty car accident.  I'm 
certainly no expert on their uses, but you better believe I'll reach 
for something that does no harm, but might just help when my animals 
or other loved ones are in distress.  I still go to the medicine 
cabinet when someone is in crisis, (holistic care isn't usually a 
quick fix for something life threatening), but it made me a believer 
when, with the help of Darla, we found a remedy that helped my Gypsy 
stay off the hard stuff.

Nina

TenHouseCats wrote:
have you paid her anything yet? if so, you might want to look into 
internet fraud charges


uh, oh, i think she's talking about me--i may not be in that many 
health-food stores these days, but still act (and think) like i'm a 
refugee from a 60s peace march


MC
four planets in libra,
rising virgo,
cardinal t-square





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RE: Homoepathic SCAM??

2006-11-10 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

I have used homeopathy in my cats for the past 10 years and I have seen
so many miracles with some of them.. Often times, allopathic medicine
will treat the symptoms by suppressing them, but not necessary to cure
the underlying cause of the problems, therefore, there are lots of
limitations to what it can do -- again, I try to use homeopathic remedy
before I start using antibiotics or steroid whenever I can.

I don't want people to associate this person who kelly was referring to
the contributions of what homeopathic can bring to our lives  --
homeopathy works -- but legitimacy of how this person practices
homeopathy is a different issue - I know of this person that Kelly is
referring to as I have used her --

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 4:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Homoepathic SCAM??

Cardinal t-square??  You're killing me MC! 

I hadn't really noticed that the people I meet in health food stores 
look sickly, maybe it's the lack of hair care products and blush that 
make them look that way, (I fit right in btw).  It could be that people 
looking for alternative remedies have already been let down by the 
allopathic community and are searching for that last hope of cure for 
what ever ails them.  I was introduced to homeopathics when my husband 
Bruce was in a nasty car accident.  I'm certainly no expert on their 
uses, but you better believe I'll reach for something that does no harm,

but might just help when my animals or other loved ones are in 
distress.  I still go to the medicine cabinet when someone is in crisis,

(holistic care isn't usually a quick fix for something life 
threatening), but it made me a believer when, with the help of Darla, we

found a remedy that helped my Gypsy stay off the hard stuff.
Nina

TenHouseCats wrote:
> have you paid her anything yet? if so, you might want to look into 
> internet fraud charges
>  
> uh, oh, i think she's talking about me--i may not be in that many 
> health-food stores these days, but still act (and think) like i'm a 
> refugee from a 60s peace march
>  
> MC
> four planets in libra,
> rising virgo,
> cardinal t-square

Re: Homoepathic SCAM??

2006-11-10 Thread Nina

Cardinal t-square??  You're killing me MC! 

I hadn't really noticed that the people I meet in health food stores 
look sickly, maybe it's the lack of hair care products and blush that 
make them look that way, (I fit right in btw).  It could be that people 
looking for alternative remedies have already been let down by the 
allopathic community and are searching for that last hope of cure for 
what ever ails them.  I was introduced to homeopathics when my husband 
Bruce was in a nasty car accident.  I'm certainly no expert on their 
uses, but you better believe I'll reach for something that does no harm, 
but might just help when my animals or other loved ones are in 
distress.  I still go to the medicine cabinet when someone is in crisis, 
(holistic care isn't usually a quick fix for something life 
threatening), but it made me a believer when, with the help of Darla, we 
found a remedy that helped my Gypsy stay off the hard stuff.

Nina

TenHouseCats wrote:
have you paid her anything yet? if so, you might want to look into 
internet fraud charges
 
uh, oh, i think she's talking about me--i may not be in that many 
health-food stores these days, but still act (and think) like i'm a 
refugee from a 60s peace march
 
MC

four planets in libra,
rising virgo,
cardinal t-square

Re: Homoepathy - Kelly

At 03:17 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:

Would rather not say which homeopath it is,
Are those reasonable prices??Would not a reputable practitioner be 
able to substantiate their claims.?  Oh, the cat died by the way,
Would you risk your pets life to anyone making claims they can't or 
will not back up. I would love to see them work. That is true for any 
profession, Medical, legal, financial etc.
I would not hire anyone to put a roof on my house without references, 
I want to see their work and talk to their other clients,

I think that is reasonable and prudent and responsible,
Kelly Lane

I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with great 
success (never tried it with FIP though).  Her list of "stuff" looks 
reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is.

Gloria

At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in 
desperate situations, there is a " Homeopath" who also has  a site, 
Without going into  all of the details which I have records of this 
person frightens people in to following her  plan and charges a lot 
of money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% 
success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, 
If you ask you just get insulted,  she tells them she can only take 
on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected 
for her fee she will take you on as a client,
I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I 
have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were 
insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with 
this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis 
had I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to 
the vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without 
surgery would have died, He is now fat and happy,
I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please 
correct me if I am in error,

   This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the
> >original is sent via PayPal.
> >
> >Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06.
> >Copy here:
> >
> > > Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a
> >specific
> > > remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98
>each
> > > additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at
>the
> > > start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case
> > > progresses, if the symptoms change significantly.
> > > The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the
recommendations
> > > accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies,
>supplements,
> > > and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about
8
> > > hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a
> >consult.
> >
> >[This was not received yet.]
> >
> > > After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on
which
> > > advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as
>not
> >to
> > > charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars.
> >
> >INVOICE ITEMS:
> >9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25
> >9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25
> >9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20
> >9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25
> >9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25
> >9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00
> >9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary)
> >9-21-06 Follow-up $25
> >9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25
> >9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25
> >9-28-06 Short email $5
> >10-03-06 Short email $5
> >10-03-06 Fip 30C and 200c nosode parcel $35
> >10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 200C before Dharma is fully well. $10
> >10-11-06 Instructions how to ensure the nosodes last several years.
$25
> >10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25
> >10-25-06 Follow-up emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25.
> >10-26-06 Multiple email follow-ups $25
> >10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and Pic-ac) $98
> >10-30-06 Short email $5
> >10-31-06 Multiple follow-up emails $25
> >
> >TOTAL DUE through end OCTOBER: $625.00
> >PayPal fee if paid by credit card $31
> >TOTAL BY PAYPAL $656
> >
> >If to prefer to mail a check to avoid the PAyPal fee, that is fine,
>just
> >
> >let me know and I'll cancel the PayPal invoice.
> >
> >
> >Thank You.
> >
> >--

I am sure there are good , professional Homeopaths out there 
getting a bad reputation from what I see as scam artists. Please 
share your wise opinions here. also the price she is attempting to 
charge another friend.
I know we deal with bad VETS all the time, but there are others out 
there willing to take advantage also.

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Re: Homoepathic SCAM??

2006-11-10 Thread Nina





Thanks for mentioning Darla, Michelle.  There are many good people out
there that are experienced with "healing modalities" that share their
knowledge because they care.  Usually their demeanor and price reflect
this, (whether in person, or through email).  A former list member,
Sally, had dealings with, (I'm pretty darn sure), the woman Kelly is
referencing.  Same mo, same pricey hard to get service with little
proof of historic results.  Sally has been dealing with death after
death at her house and was quite desperate.  If she had the money, I
think she might have tried harder to be one of the selected few that
got this woman's attention.  Tsk, tsk, such a shame.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  The homeopath that Nina referred me to charged $40 once, and
emailed with me, I would guess, at least 15 or 20 times.  At one point
I offered to send her more money since I was emailing her so much, and
she said no.  And the nosodes themselves, which I bought somewhere
else, were not very expensive. So yes, she sounds like a scam.
  Michelle

Re: Homoepathy - Kelly

2006-11-10 Thread G. Lane

I'm a big fan of homeopathy, and use it regularly myself, with great 
success (never tried it with FIP though).  Her list of "stuff" looks 
reasonable. But I'd be interested in knowing who this is.

Gloria

At 02:28 PM 11/10/2006, you wrote:
Serious question, all of us love our cats and are often in desperate 
situations, there is a " Homeopath" who also has  a site, Without 
going into  all of the details which I have records of this person 
frightens people in to following her  plan and charges a lot of 
money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% 
success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, 
If you ask you just get insulted,  she tells them she can only take 
on 2 FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected for 
her fee she will take you on as a client,
I have the invoice she charged one person I will Paste on here. I 
have emails she sent another friend with an FIP cat that were 
insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience with 
this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis had 
I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to the 
vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without surgery 
would have died, He is now fat and happy,
I could be totally wrong and this is what homeopaths do, so please 
correct me if I am in error,

   This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the detail, and the
> >original is sent via PayPal.
> >
> >Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 9-14-06.
> >Copy here:
> >
> > > Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a
> >specific
> > > remedy to an individual. It has a fee of $117 first time and $98
>each
> > > additional time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at
>the
> > > start of a consultation, and may be needed again as a complex case
> > > progresses, if the symptoms change significantly.
> > > The initial Consult has a $30 fee for writing up the
recommendations
> > > accompanying the repertorizing, including diet, remedies,
>supplements,
> > > and answering questions you may have about it. This involves about
8
> > > hours work on my part and the fee is $147 due at the start of a
> >consult.
> >
> >[This was not received yet.]
> >
> > > After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day on
which
> > > advice emails are needed. For quick one-liners it's $5 each so as
>not
> >to
> > > charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars.
> >
> >INVOICE ITEMS:
> >9-14-06 Intereferon and multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25
> >9-15-05 FIP-related multiple emails of advice $25
> >9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 30C $20
> >9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25
> >9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats $25
> >9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up $147.00
> >9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, (complimentary)
> >9-21-06 Follow-up $25
> >9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25
> >9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25
> >9-28-06 Short email $5
> >10-03-06 Short email $5
> >10-03-06 Fip 30C and 200c nosode parcel $35
> >10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 200C before Dharma is fully well. $10
> >10-11-06 Instructions how to ensure the nosodes last several years.
$25
> >10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25
> >10-25-06 Follow-up emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25.
> >10-26-06 Multiple email follow-ups $25
> >10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and Pic-ac) $98
> >10-30-06 Short email $5
> >10-31-06 Multiple follow-up emails $25
> >
> >TOTAL DUE through end OCTOBER: $625.00
> >PayPal fee if paid by credit card $31
> >TOTAL BY PAYPAL $656
> >
> >If to prefer to mail a check to avoid the PAyPal fee, that is fine,
>just
> >
> >let me know and I'll cancel the PayPal invoice.
> >
> >
> >Thank You.
> >
> >--

I am sure there are good , professional Homeopaths out there getting 
a bad reputation from what I see as scam artists. Please share your 
wise opinions here. also the price she is attempting to charge another friend.
I know we deal with bad VETS all the time, but there are others out 
there willing to take advantage also.

Re: Homoepathic SCAM??

2006-11-10 Thread ETrent






I think this is outrageous.  
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 11/10/2006 2:27:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Serious 
  question, all of us love our cats and are often in desperate situations, 
  there is a " Homeopath" who also has  a site, Without going 
  into  all of the details which I have records of this person 
  frightens people in to following her  plan and charges a lot of 
  money, she has made a claim on her site that she has an over 50% 
  success rate with FIP cats, yet she refuses to give any references, If 
  you ask you just get insulted,  she tells them she can only take on 2 
  FIP cases a week and if you are lucky enough to be selected for her fee 
  she will take you on as a client,I have the invoice she charged one person 
  I will Paste on here. I have emails she sent another friend with an FIP 
  cat that were insulting and more than unprofessional, In my own experience 
  with this person I might have lost my IBD cat with cholangiohepatitis had 
  I listened to this person, I was berrated for taking my cat to the 
  vet. fortunately I did and he had a gall stone and without surgery 
  would have died, He is now fat and happy,I could be totally wrong and 
  this is what homeopaths do, so please correct me if I am in 
  error,>    This is a copy of the Invoice due, to show the 
  detail, and the> > >original is sent via PayPal.> > 
  >> > >Consult agreed 9-14-06, all items per fee quotation on 
  9-14-06.> > >Copy here:> > >> > > > 
  Repertorizing takes several hours, it's the process to match a> > 
  >specific> > > > remedy to an individual. It has a fee of 
  $117 first time and $98> >each> > > > additional 
  time if another repertorizing is needed. It's needed at> 
  >the> > > > start of a consultation, and may be needed 
  again as a complex case> > > > progresses, if the symptoms 
  change significantly.> > > > The initial Consult has a $30 fee 
  for writing up the>recommendations> > > > accompanying 
  the repertorizing, including diet, remedies,> >supplements,> 
  > > > and answering questions you may have about it. This involves 
  about>8> > > > hours work on my part and the fee is 
  $147 due at the start of a> > >consult.> > >> 
  > >[This was not received yet.]> > >> > > > 
  After that, there's a fee for follow-up of $25 for each day 
  on>which> > > > advice emails are needed. For quick 
  one-liners it's $5 each so as> >not> > >to> > 
  > > charge $25 for a one-liner. All fees are in US dollars.> > 
  >> > >INVOICE ITEMS:> > >9-14-06 Intereferon and 
  multiple FIP-related emails of advice $25> > >9-15-05 FIP-related 
  multiple emails of advice $25> > >9-15-06 Parcel with FIP nosode 
  30C $20> > >9-16-06 Advice on food, slippery-elm etc $25> 
  > >9-17-06 Advice on how to use nosodes, also for multiple cats 
  $25> > >9-18-06 Main consult repertorizing (Zinc) and write-up 
  $147.00> > >9-18-06 Article on Fiber importance, 
  (complimentary)> > >9-21-06 Follow-up $25> > 
  >9-26-06 Follow-up re Zinc 200C multiple emails $25> > 
  >9-27-06 Follow-up multiple emails $25> > >9-28-06 Short email 
  $5> > >10-03-06 Short email $5> > >10-03-06 Fip 30C 
  and 200c nosode parcel $35> > >10-05-06 Advice NOT to use FIP 
  200C before Dharma is fully well. $10> > >10-11-06 Instructions 
  how to ensure the nosodes last several years.>$25> > 
  >10-17-06 Advice for other cats $25> > >10-25-06 Follow-up 
  emails XXX worse after Fip 200C nosode $25.> > >10-26-06 Multiple 
  email follow-ups $25> > >10-30-06 Repertorize again (Kali-c and 
  Pic-ac) $98> > >10-30-06 Short email $5> > >10-31-06 
  Multiple follow-up emails $25> > >> > >TOTAL DUE 
  through end OCTOBER: $625.00> > >PayPal fee if paid by credit 
  card $31> > >TOTAL BY PAYPAL $656> > >> > 
  >If to prefer to mail a check to avoid the PAyPal fee, that is 
  fine,> >just> > >> > >let me know and I'll 
  cancel the PayPal invoice.> > >> > >> > 
  >Thank You.> > >> > >--I am sure there 
  are good , professional Homeopaths out there getting a bad reputation from 
  what I see as scam artists. Please share your wise opinions here. also the 
  price she is attempting to charge another friend.I know we deal with bad 
  VETS all the time, but there are others out there willing to take 
  advantage also.

Fip/FeLV/FIV combo nososde - homepahty?

2006-11-10 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Does anyone know how I can get this?  I have some, but I
need to get some more..

Re: Izzie threw off FELV!

2006-11-10 Thread catatonya

That's great news![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all, It's been awhile since I've been here but I wanted to share my good news and perhaps give the group a little more data for the collective FELV knowledge base you've got going here. To start at the end, Saturday my girls were retested and while Lucy is still positive, Izzie has thrown it and is now negative! Yippee Izzie! I thought it might be helpful for those of you with questions about "throwing it" to have a timeline: March 15 - I adopted Lucy and Izzie, sisters, at age 4 months, supposedly both FELV negative. April - May - Lucy had recurring URI's, she would get sick, I'd put her on antibiotics, a week after she was off of them she'd get sick again. May 29th
- Lucy tested FELV positive, Izzie negative. This led to some agonizing on my part about whether or not to keep them together. Thanks in large part to the information I got from this group, I kept them together knowing that Izzie could wind up positive, but willing to take the risk. July 7th - Izzie gets spayed and tests positive. The vet tells me there is "virtually no chance" Izzie will throw it and that most likely the May negative on Izzie was false. October 28th - the vet retests (she didn't want to because she was convinced Izzie was still positive but I insisted because I had a "feeling", I also gently reminded her that they told me Lucy wouldn't make it to her first birthday, a birthday which is next Monday and she appears to have no intention of not making it!) And now Izzie is negative! My best guess is that Lucy was exposed at the shelter to a pos kitty and for some reason it didn't enter Izzie's system
until late June or early July and Izzie was able to fight it. They are amazing little best friends and I think Izzie is going to help keep Lucy healthy!! Maggie

Re: Homoepathic SCAM??