date:20070701

Hmm, that's some really good info.

I have been told by a behaviorist that dogs think of thier owners as pack 
leaders, cats think of them as their mother.

Would explain how they really can bond w/ one person.

I have cats that are just Jonathans, and cats that are primarily mine.


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

  I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked 
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I 
really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my 
father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and 
she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  
I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there.  

  The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately but, 
compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes you 
smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Some of us are so new to this all.

2007-07-01 Thread Malone

There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is
specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress
was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading
and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that
some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be
under. I have never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel
doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me
even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics
about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I
thank all that have shared.

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

In my old house (2 months back) I only had covered litterboxes w/ clumpable 
litter.

In the new place, I have 4 of the HUGE blue tote types from Lowes, that are 
transparent, w/ Yesterday's mews.
3 of the HUGE clear ones w/ clay mixed w/ crystals,
and one low rider that is pretty big w/ the same mix.

This is in the enclosure area.

In their room, I have 3 covered boxes w/ clumpable and one in the their 
bathroom w/ clay plus crystals.

I did this so they would have a few choices.

Litterbox behavior has gotten much better, but there are few, like Pugsley, 
that enjoy peeing on things and 2 that poop right in front of the boxes in the 
cat room.

One is my 15 year old, who use to ALWAYS have very good litterbox habits.

I have the lower litterbox in the enclosure for a fairly recently acquired cat 
that has no back legs, which, at this point, I never see.

He's a hider, was in his former house.


He was abandoned @ the area Humane Society as a tiny kitten, and went home for 
fostering w/ one of the staff.

He caught URI, had to be medicated, and apparently that made him fearful and he 
wasn't the same friendly, sweet kitten that he was originally.

He pretty much lived under her bed, pooping under there too.

She would see him occasionally but only @ night.

She has very long work hours, and is also in a band that tours, so, not much 
time to try and change his behavior.

I took his as a favor to her  probably to him, as well.

At least at my house he can have more room and have exposure to the outside in 
the enclosure.

(I really think that the access to fgresh air has really helped my cats all 
around health, especially the chronic ones).

I didn't care about the litterbox thing, whether he used it or not, my 
enclosure is stained concrete w/ a high gloss finish, the cat room  bathroom 
is tile and hardwood in the masterbedroom.

These are the cat areas.

Livingroom is no cat zone as well as kitchen.

(I had a stove peer @ the old house, and they actually set my kitchen on fire 
twice. Another long story).

Anyway, Hobbs was born w/ only stubbs for backlegs, very sad.

But he can REALLY haul kitty butt when he wants to.

He also loves other cats, he is a cat's cat, if you know what I mean.


As far as litterboxes, I would prefer no clumpable, I think it's a bad idea, 
but the cats seem to really prefer it over anything else

They will have to be weaned, I guess.

I will try this Feliway, maybe it will be the answer to my cleaning 
prayers..

Hey, a girl ( a kitty girl ) can dream.  :)


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Re litter box issues:  

  Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My cats, 
Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This is 
logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The blue 
things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of 
the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

  Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

  Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for pee-problems.  





   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs

2007-07-01 Thread wendy

Hey Laurie,

Did your vet say anything about treating Isabella with
doxy in case of hemobartanella?  Did he say what type
of anemia it is?  What did he propose to treat the
anemia?

Thanks,
:)
Wendy

--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed
 back. (I will read the info 
 about meds as suggested). I know of a human on
 interferon who is very 
 lethargic. Do people see this with cats on
 interferon? I ask because 
 Isabella is most active after we give fluids but
 generally pretty laid 
 backwould appreciate any input ...thanks!
 Laurie
 
  Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a
 knowledgable and 
  supportive group).
  Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use
 **instead** of interferon?
 
  For those who responded about Revolution ~ we
 won't use this again. One of 
  my cats with allergies responded very negatively
 to Advantage. So, I just 
  have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100%
 indoors but I work in my 
  wildlife friendly yard and understand I could
 bring one inside.
 
  What is IM, please?
 
  Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in
 parens are normal ranges)
  WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5)
  HCT  20.6 (30-45)
  RBC  3.72 (5-10)
  HGB  8.1 (9-15.1)
  GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1)
  Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9)
  Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below
 normal
  MCHC and MCH were above normal
 
  The numbers that were desginated as being most
 dramatically off were:
  Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH
 
  Any input greatly appreciatedthanks!
  Laurie
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM
  Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp
 
 
  Laurie,
 
  My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. 
 After
  many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor
 at
  my vet's office that didn't really seem like she
  wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes
 to.
  The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. 
 She had
  me give it to him subq.  It says IV but Smokey
 would
  have never let her or me do that.  We started
 giving
  him injections 2 times a week for a month or so
 then
  gradually decreased the dosage.  Now I give it to
 him
  once a month.  It has been well over a year since
 he
  has had a fever.  I hope this might help you with
  Isabella.
 
  I won't use Revolution anymore.  Back in May we
 went
  camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with
 us.  I
  used it because I was worried about mosquitoes
 getting
  into the camper. This was the first time I had
 ever
  used it.  I know Katie had a reaction to it
 because
  she developed diarrhea.  She didn't have it
 before I
  put it on her.  Her skin became really flaky too.
 
  I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon.
 
  Cindy Reasoner
 
 
 
  
 
 
 


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Re: Birds, also, feliway....

Also, my vet always recommends the Cat Attaract', which I tried on Serenity.

Didn't really work.

Pretty pricey stuff, too.

Have you ever used this product?

Any feedback?

(Sorry, hope I am not picking your brain dry...  :)

I forgot to mention that the felv+ cats have 2 litterboxes, big Petsmart brand, 
where they have clay / w/ some crystals.

Everyone in there is happy as a clam.

I also have a dry erase board in the cat room where I monitor litterbox 
changing, med schedules (once again, some cats are on a rotation of meds), 
food bowls, Drinkwells, flea treatments.etc...

I do this so I know when I need to change the boxes.

They get dumped and washed w/ Simple Green.

Felv+ boxes are ONLY used for felv+ cats, that's why they have a different 
type of box, for visibility.

Same w/ their Drinkwell, even though it goes through the dishwasher.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Re litter box issues:  

  Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My cats, 
Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This is 
logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The blue 
things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of 
the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

  Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

  Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for pee-problems.  





   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then suddenly 
just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes sense to 
me.  Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is extremely 
difficult,  Particularly on a subject that is so important as this life and 
death one.  Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy years, I 
suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed but OK.  
The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been from 
being on her own for a long time.  I still need lots of help keeping her 
healthy and happy.  She is my light.   Often I feel like I am repeating myself 
too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do.

As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again, 
everyone has a delete key.   





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Malone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
  Subject: Some of us are so new to this all.


  There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is 
specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was 
caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and 
researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find 
it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have 
never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to 
have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the 
hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and 
understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

Malone,

Welcome to the group!

I have only been on this list for a week, now (hey, and I'm already playing 
Hostess. To think that I growl @ people  say that I am not a people 
purrson... :)
And I have learned a lot in this short time.
I currently have 4 felv+ cats, first 3 came to me in July of last year, so I am 
pretty new to this also.

I have worked for a vet @ his home that has had felv+ cats for years, and 
several clients that care for them.

I haven't really done much research per se, (I'm not that good @ it, probably 
could not research myself out of a paper bag due to my ADD).

Anyway, please tell us about your felv+ kitty and how he / she came to be in 
your family.

Thanks!

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Malone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
  Subject: Some of us are so new to this all.


  There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is 
specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was 
caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and 
researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find 
it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have 
never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to 
have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the 
hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and 
understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by Aromacat.  I 
have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle but haven't 
used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie is such a 
totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs to be 
dealt with.

I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Also, my vet always recommends the Cat Attaract', which I tried on Serenity.

  Didn't really work.

  Pretty pricey stuff, too.

  Have you ever used this product?

  Any feedback?

  (Sorry, hope I am not picking your brain dry...  :)

  I forgot to mention that the felv+ cats have 2 litterboxes, big Petsmart 
brand, where they have clay / w/ some crystals.

  Everyone in there is happy as a clam.

  I also have a dry erase board in the cat room where I monitor litterbox 
changing, med schedules (once again, some cats are on a rotation of meds), 
food bowls, Drinkwells, flea treatments.etc...

  I do this so I know when I need to change the boxes.

  They get dumped and washed w/ Simple Green.

  Felv+ boxes are ONLY used for felv+ cats, that's why they have a different 
type of box, for visibility.

  Same w/ their Drinkwell, even though it goes through the dishwasher.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Re litter box issues:  

Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My 
cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This 
is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The 
blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble 
most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for pee-problems.  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

Hi Marylyn,

As far as Stomatitis, they say it's not contagious, however, it seems to pop up 
in a lot of multi cat households, (like mine).

What are your thoughts?

Anyone else?

One of my cats from the Houston Horader case (the 12 I am fostering that had 
the exposure to felv), has stomatitis so bad that it damaged her lungs.

You can hear her breathe across the room, and when she purrs, the pitch raises 
and she sounds more bird like than my Bird Boy, Runes, who was raised in a 
birdcage...

Confused?

I am...

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


  Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then suddenly 
just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes sense to 
me.  Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is extremely 
difficult,  Particularly on a subject that is so important as this life and 
death one.  Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy years, I 
suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed but OK.  
The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been from 
being on her own for a long time.  I still need lots of help keeping her 
healthy and happy.  She is my light.   Often I feel like I am repeating myself 
too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do.

  As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again, 
everyone has a delete key.   





   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Malone 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Some of us are so new to this all.


There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That is 
specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was 
caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and 
researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find 
it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have 
never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to 
have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the 
hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and 
understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

PS:  If you or anyone reading this decides to chop veggies for the cats:

There are very fine strainers that fit in the sink that will catch the little 
pieces of food.  They will save your plumbing if you don't have a garbage 
disposal.  They are designed to catch hair and only cost a couple of dollars.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Also, my vet always recommends the Cat Attaract', which I tried on Serenity.

  Didn't really work.

  Pretty pricey stuff, too.

  Have you ever used this product?

  Any feedback?

  (Sorry, hope I am not picking your brain dry...  :)

  I forgot to mention that the felv+ cats have 2 litterboxes, big Petsmart 
brand, where they have clay / w/ some crystals.

  Everyone in there is happy as a clam.

  I also have a dry erase board in the cat room where I monitor litterbox 
changing, med schedules (once again, some cats are on a rotation of meds), 
food bowls, Drinkwells, flea treatments.etc...

  I do this so I know when I need to change the boxes.

  They get dumped and washed w/ Simple Green.

  Felv+ boxes are ONLY used for felv+ cats, that's why they have a different 
type of box, for visibility.

  Same w/ their Drinkwell, even though it goes through the dishwasher.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Re litter box issues:  

Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets.  My 
cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind.  This 
is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc.  The 
blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble 
most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time.

Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids.  They give more room 
(important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to 
feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble 
(for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting 
it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a 
physical problem that made getting down difficult).  

Yes, the Feliway may help.  It was designed for pee-problems.  





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

I don't know if it is contagious or not.  This is the first time I have dealt 
with it and have had wonderful success with the improved diet (thanks to the 
pet food murderers), supplements and Brush Away.  One lady on a stomatitis 
board uses Just Born with colostrum all the time with hers and has had 
wonderful results.  Dixie gets this quite often.  I want her body built up so 
she has a better chance of handling anything that comes down the road.  She 
even gets bottled spring water (hopefully) to avoid a lot of the chemicals in 
tap water.  I am going to do this with any critter that lives with me (now if I 
could remember to eat right myself :))) 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:19 AM
  Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


  Hi Marylyn,

  As far as Stomatitis, they say it's not contagious, however, it seems to pop 
up in a lot of multi cat households, (like mine).

  What are your thoughts?

  Anyone else?

  One of my cats from the Houston Horader case (the 12 I am fostering that had 
the exposure to felv), has stomatitis so bad that it damaged her lungs.

  You can hear her breathe across the room, and when she purrs, the pitch 
raises and she sounds more bird like than my Bird Boy, Runes, who was raised in 
a birdcage...

  Confused?

  I am...

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then 
suddenly just one person can phrase something a little differently and it makes 
sense to me.  Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is 
extremely difficult,  Particularly on a subject that is so important as this 
life and death one.  Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy 
years, I suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was exposed 
but OK.  The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily have been 
from being on her own for a long time.  I still need lots of help keeping her 
healthy and happy.  She is my light.   Often I feel like I am repeating myself 
too many times then realize that everyone has the same delete key I do.

As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again, 
everyone has a delete key.   





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Malone 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
  Subject: Some of us are so new to this all.


  There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That 
is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress 
was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading 
and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some 
find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I 
have never had a sick cat-I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed 
to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the 
hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and 
understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to green my household also, I just ordered a new book called, 
100 Things you can do to be green.

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ fleas and 
I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a one car 
garage, only wider, and it has 2 walkin pens that separate the groups of 6 
cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the front 
door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ least 
another 2 months.

I have yard ferals that I have relocated, and they need treatment as well and 
their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be 
careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and I 
have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time got 
away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by Aromacat.  
I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle but haven't 
used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie is such a 
totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs to be 
dealt with.

  I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

  I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

  If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

More good ideas.

As far as water goes, I have so many waterers it would be impossible to give 
everyone bottled, but I have Drinkwells ( I hope they help[ purify) in the cat 
room (as well as regular water bowls that are changed TID).

Felv+ room has a drinkwell, too.

I get Ozarka delivered, but I am looking into the Nikkon Aqua Pur for the 
cats


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


  I don't know if it is contagious or not.  This is the first time I have dealt 
with it and have had wonderful success with the improved diet (thanks to the 
pet food murderers), supplements and Brush Away.  One lady on a stomatitis 
board uses Just Born with colostrum all the time with hers and has had 
wonderful results.  Dixie gets this quite often.  I want her body built up so 
she has a better chance of handling anything that comes down the road.  She 
even gets bottled spring water (hopefully) to avoid a lot of the chemicals in 
tap water.  I am going to do this with any critter that lives with me (now if I 
could remember to eat right myself :))) 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
.

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her.  I 
want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.  

My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage to 
cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.  
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused hot 
spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

  I am trying to green my household also, I just ordered a new book called, 
100 Things you can do to be green.

  I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ fleas 
and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

  They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a one 
car garage, only wider, and it has 2 walkin pens that separate the groups of 
6 cats.

  They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the front 
door open during the day, which is screened also.

  It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ least 
another 2 months.

  I have yard ferals that I have relocated, and they need treatment as well 
and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

  It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be 
careful.

  I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and I 
have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

  I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time got 
away form me.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by Aromacat. 
 I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle but haven't 
used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie is such a 
totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs to be 
dealt with.

I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who

Re: Immunity to FeLV?


 Simon has adjusted well, no idea how he tested pos. and now is neg/neg,
but he has a very good life.





A couple of different ways.  First of all, the SNAP test has a high
incidence of false positives.  I've heard estimates of as high as 20%.  This
results in a lot of cats that test FELV+ being killed at shelters when they
aren't really FELV+.

Cats can also throw off the virus and become negative.  There's a lot of
good information on the www.felineleukemia.org web page on supplements, etc
to make the kitty's immune system as healthy as possible so they have a
better chance of throwing it off.

There is lots of information out there on this:

Some kittens are able to clear the virus from their system. Others are able

to suppress it sufficiently that they are not affected by the virus and do
not transmit it to other cats. The exact percentage of cats able to do one
of these two things is not known exactly but it probably is at least 30%
and may be as high as 50% or more of infected kittens.

It is pretty confusing to deal with feline leukemia in litters of young
kittens. It is entirely possible for only part of the litter or even one
kitten to be infected and the rest of the litter unaffected. Some kittens
(or cats) who are infected with feline leukemia will develop immunity to the
virus and will not ever become ill from it. Probably about 30% of the time
this happens. Some kittens will be able to sequester the virus in the bone
marrow or central nervous system where it will not cause harm until some
future stress occurs and causes the immune system to fail in its suppression
of the virus. This is usually considered to be a latent infection.

(this is why you always test *all* kittens in a litter, especially in
rescue, and not just selectively test one, or assume because the mother
tested negative that the kittens will too).

The above is from http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cfeleuk.html

When a cat tests positive, the general recommendation is to wait 3 months
Retest with IFA.  FELV+ sanctuaries will not accept a cat with just a SNAP
test result because the incidence of false positives is so high.  Even then
they can still turn neg.  I know Best Friends tests all its FELV+ cats
yearly, or maybe more often, to make sure they are still showing pos.

There is a chart on testing and retesting here:

http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html

It is really almost impossible to tell if any cat is pos or neg.  Some cats
sequester the virus in the bone marrow:

Recently it was proven that cats could sequester the virus in their bone
marrow
or central nervous system, keeping it suppressed indefinitely, perhaps
lifelong.
In the event of a serious illness or immunosuppression for other reasons
such as
corticosteroid administration, some of these cats lose the ability to
suppress the virus and it becomes an active problem again. The question is
this: do any cats become immune or are there only cats who are infected but
suppressing the virus effectively in this group? My guess is that there are
many more cats suppressing the virus than there are cats who are able to
become immune.

I'm wondering if this isn't what happened to Shelia Smith's cat, since adult
to adult transmission is extremely rare.




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Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs

Yes, please send me the file if you will. Isabella is on Referon or 
something like that.

thank-you
Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs

At 07:25 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote:

When cats go on interferon the dosage is minuscule compared to what is 
given to people. Unless you are using the Feline Omega interferon. I use 
Alferon , the natural interferon and if you are interested I can email you 
the file, the alpha interferon is also given is very very small doses and 
works differently than is used with people,

Kelly

Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the 
info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very 
lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because 
Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid 
backwould appreciate any input ...thanks!

Laurie

Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and 
supportive group).

Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon?

For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One 
of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I 
just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in 
my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside.

What is IM, please?

Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges)
WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5)
HCT  20.6 (30-45)
RBC  3.72 (5-10)
HGB  8.1 (9-15.1)
GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1)
Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9)
Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal
MCHC and MCH were above normal

The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were:
Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH

Any input greatly appreciatedthanks!
Laurie

- Original Message - From: cindy reasoner 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp

Laurie,

My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers.  After
many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at
my vet's office that didn't really seem like she
wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to.
The new vet started him on the immunoregulin.  She had
me give it to him subq.  It says IV but Smokey would
have never let her or me do that.  We started giving
him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then
gradually decreased the dosage.  Now I give it to him
once a month.  It has been well over a year since he
has had a fever.  I hope this might help you with
Isabella.

I won't use Revolution anymore.  Back in May we went
camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us.  I
used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting
into the camper. This was the first time I had ever
used it.  I know Katie had a reaction to it because
she developed diarrhea.  She didn't have it before I
put it on her.  Her skin became really flaky too.

I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon.

Cindy Reasoner

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Re: Immunity to FeLV?

This was a long time ago so maybe the disease wasn't as strong then, who knows. 
Stripes died in 1989 and Squeaky in 1996
My vet was so laid back about it ~ I think that helped. Stripes on and off 
illness was frustrating but you'd never have know Squeak had anything. The vet 
did say Squeaky's must have been in his blood marrow and called him a carrier.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?

  Wow, that's impressive!
  Long, happy lives, it sounds like.

  You must have / are doing something right.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent

- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?

I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived together since the younger one 
had been adopted as a kitten.  Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we had 
them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them each year and Squeaky would be 
sick for 3 days after his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes 
lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky didn't have a sick day in his 
life until his last 3 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on and 
off but was mostly healthy.

and now we have Isabella
Laurie

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:14 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

  It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

  I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked 
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I 
really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my 
father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and 
she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  
I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there.  

  The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately but, 
compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes you 
smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.

   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes  goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk 
towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your 
pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor?

(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted  loved, but it's s 
scary.  :(

As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use 
it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, 
that's a cat spay or whatever.

But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

Let me know your thoughts, folks...

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds

  No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the 
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It 
really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's).  It 
certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell 
of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person.

   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
-

Re: I am not getting all the posts


You could also check your spam box.  Very occasionally one of the messages
from this group gets routed to my spam box...I am not sure why..

On 6/30/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


weird...maybe they will come in late.  that happens to me sometimes.

On 6/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,

 There is something really weird going on with my
 email.  I am not getting all the posts and I think
 it's been happening for a while now.  I only saw
 Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to
 her.  I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede,
 but saw Dede reply to them in Sally's post.  Does
 anyone know how to fix this?

 Thanks,
 Wendy

 --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi Dede
 
  I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV
  babies will somehow beat
  the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks
  you for all you did.
 
  Sally
 
 
  On 6/30/07, dede hicken  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.
  
   Dede
  
  
  
   --- Marylyn  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Bless you for all the love you gave Ki.  When
  you
are considering all the
what ifs as we all do, consider what if you
  had
never come into his life
and how wonderful you made his life.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  If
you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
   
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
   
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
   
 St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
Subject: Ki is an Angel
   
   

 It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let
  you
know
 Ki left this world at 10 this AM.

 It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
that
 his belly looked really full.  The way he was
 breathing was weird also.  You could see his
  head
and
 chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up
  though,
and
 the fever had gotten better, but it kept
  spiking.
He
 even ate a few pieces of food by himself.

 The vet drained his belly, and it was thick
  straw
 colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.
  My
 biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow
  when
I
 couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
horrible
 death.

 Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
have
 never put him in with most of the cats.  I
dunno...I
 could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
believed
 he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came
  from a
 horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
 siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
would
 beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a
  fever
 like this last Nov, but recovered,

 I am so grateful for the time I had with him.
  He
came
 to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.
  I
 didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him
  in
the
 bedroom, and played with him, and loved and
  slept
with
 him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!
   I
hope
 he doesn't forget us, and the time will come
  when
we
 can all be together forever.

 May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you
  in
his
 care until we meet again.

 Dede

 When you are in the service of your fellow
beings, you are only in the
 service of your God
   Mosiah 2:17




   
  
  
 
 


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Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs

Wendy, yes, my normal vet wanted to treat with doxy (I did that earlier this 
year with a kitten and it made him very sick...the hemobart test results 
came back negative so we discontinued). The specialist I consulted looked at 
Isabella's blood work and didn't think they indicated hemobart ~ she 
suggested the metacam. The kitten got over his anemia without treatment (we 
believe it may have been secondary to kidney failure which he also 
survived!).


My vet thinks the anemia is secondary to the feline leukemia...? As far as I 
can see we are not treating it. His opinion (he is not the specialist) is we 
need to address the feline leukemia and not the symptoms. I will ask more 
questions. Perhaps I need to have her tested for hemobart.


Thoughts appreciated...?
Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs



Hey Laurie,

Did your vet say anything about treating Isabella with
doxy in case of hemobartanella?  Did he say what type
of anemia it is?  What did he propose to treat the
anemia?

Thanks,
:)
Wendy

--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed
back. (I will read the info
about meds as suggested). I know of a human on
interferon who is very
lethargic. Do people see this with cats on
interferon? I ask because
Isabella is most active after we give fluids but
generally pretty laid
backwould appreciate any input ...thanks!
Laurie

 Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a
knowledgable and
 supportive group).
 Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use
**instead** of interferon?

 For those who responded about Revolution ~ we
won't use this again. One of
 my cats with allergies responded very negatively
to Advantage. So, I just
 have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100%
indoors but I work in my
 wildlife friendly yard and understand I could
bring one inside.

 What is IM, please?

 Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in
parens are normal ranges)
 WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5)
 HCT  20.6 (30-45)
 RBC  3.72 (5-10)
 HGB  8.1 (9-15.1)
 GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1)
 Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9)
 Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below
normal
 MCHC and MCH were above normal

 The numbers that were desginated as being most
dramatically off were:
 Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH

 Any input greatly appreciatedthanks!
 Laurie


 - Original Message - 
 From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM
 Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp


 Laurie,

 My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers.
After
 many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor
at
 my vet's office that didn't really seem like she
 wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes
to.
 The new vet started him on the immunoregulin.
She had
 me give it to him subq.  It says IV but Smokey
would
 have never let her or me do that.  We started
giving
 him injections 2 times a week for a month or so
then
 gradually decreased the dosage.  Now I give it to
him
 once a month.  It has been well over a year since
he
 has had a fever.  I hope this might help you with
 Isabella.

 I won't use Revolution anymore.  Back in May we
went
 camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with
us.  I
 used it because I was worried about mosquitoes
getting
 into the camper. This was the first time I had
ever
 used it.  I know Katie had a reaction to it
because
 she developed diarrhea.  She didn't have it
before I
 put it on her.  Her skin became really flaky too.

 I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon.

 Cindy Reasoner










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Re: Litter box issues ~ links

I use Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious Cats. It's unscented and 99% dust free. It's 
small granules. He also has a litter (or additive you can use) called Cat 
Attract to attract cats to the litter box. It smells like catnip to me. We've 
had litter box issues here. I use 1 more box than cats, keep groups of boxes in 
2 private, noise-free spots in the house (always accessible). Keep varying 
depths of litter (some like it deep and others do not). Scoop 3 times a day and 
dump entirely each box once a week and wash it. I use the high back uncovered 
boxes from Drs. Foster and Smith(currently on sale). 

I love Pam Johnson-Bennet's book, Think Like a Cat. She mentions that we might 
not like to stand in an toilet with waste already in it!
Article by her:   
http://www.catchannel.com/cat/experts/pam_johnson_bennett/article_PamJB0012.aspx
 

My cats don't like covered boxes (they really hold the odor and restrict 
movement). Also, it is recommended you have boxes on each floor of your house. 
Some cats (my Winston) guard the box so others (my Lucy) find other places to 
gosome cats urinate to comfort themselves (if you've had strangers in the 
house). There are so many quirks

www.catinfo.org has lots of litter box info. Written by a vet.

Another great site re litter box info:
www.catnutrition.org  ~ another great site

Also, http://www.belovedanimals.com/information/library/ca7.html (ignore the 
suggestion about Alpine cleaners ~ they cause respiratory problems)

If I can remember to think like a cat I can usually (not always) figure out 
why mine are doing something I'd prefer they didn't!

Laurie

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


Hello and welcome!
I have been very bad with keeping up lately - so much going on.  I'm sorry I
wasn't at the front door to greet you :0)  Don't feel bad about any
'distress'...we're a big family here and sometimes even the best and closest
of families have their quibbles.  Even so - this is such a great list and
such a good source for information.

Sometimes people have differing views on treatments and protocols too.  I've
found the best thing to do is listen to every one's input...google
everything you can and find out as much info for yourself as possible.  Talk
to your vet too -- and I've even had some vet tech's who were very
knowledgeable and helpful.  When you put all that together - you've got a
great base to make informed decisions.

We have a wide range of experience here and everyone has something to
offer.  One thing is certain - everyone here is very passionate about their
cats and getting them the very best care.  We can all agree about that!

Here's a big hug and a welcome.  We're glad you are here.
Elizabeth in Alabama, Phelix, Tiffany, Antonio, Lexie, Othello, Tori, and
Shakiti




On 7/1/07, Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That
is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that
distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have
been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very
saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies
might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I
feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with
me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics
about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I
thank all that have shared.

Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!


A local Austin double positive cat, Sylvester, left today for Best Friends
Animal Sanctuary.

The Best Friends community really pulled together to donate money for his
trip.

Here is his story!

http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370

Well, I found out you cannot link directly to his story; however, it is at
the top of this forum under Help Needed to Transport Sylvester to Kanab

The next person who goes out to BF, please give me a report.:)  One day I
will go to BF, but finances are not allowing me atm.



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Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


Hi Susan!  How did I miss saying hello and welcome to you too??  *sigh*

Welcome!

I've been a terrible hostess.  We just had a huge celebration for my
parent's 50th wedding anniversary last weekend so I guess I am still a
jello-head from that.

Bless you for taking care of those dear FeVL+ babies.  So many people don't
realize that a diagnosis of FeVL+ is not a death sentence!  They can still
have a wonderful quality of life and they need lots of love.

I'll try to do a better job of keeping up.  I'm so glad you joined us!

hugs and a big welcome!
elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, and
tori.


On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Malone,

Welcome to the group!

I have only been on this list for a week, now (hey, and I'm already
playing Hostess. To think that I growl @ people  say that I am not a
people purrson... :)
And I have learned a lot in this short time.
I currently have 4 felv+ cats, first 3 came to me in July of last year, so
I am pretty new to this also.

I have worked for a vet @ his home that has had felv+ cats for years, and
several clients that care for them.

I haven't really done much research per se, (I'm not that good @ it,
probably could not research myself out of a paper bag due to my ADD).

Anyway, please tell us about your felv+ kitty and how he / she came to be
in your family.

Thanks!

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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- Original Message -
*From:* Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
*Subject:* Some of us are so new to this all.



There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That
is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that
distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have
been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very
saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies
might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I
feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with
me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics
about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I
thank all that have shared.

Re: Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!

2007-07-01 Thread Kelly L


At 07:35 AM 7/1/2007, you wrote:


Yeah yeah yeah!!!He is going to the best of all possible places,
Kelly Lane


A local Austin double positive cat, Sylvester, left today for Best 
Friends Animal Sanctuary.


The Best Friends community really pulled together to donate money 
for his trip.


Here is his story!

http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370 



Well, I found out you cannot link directly to his story; however, it 
is at the top of this forum under Help Needed to Transport Sylvester to Kanab


The next person who goes out to BF, please give me a report.:)  One 
day I will go to BF, but finances are not allowing me atm.




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Re: Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!

Yes, the poor guy was living outside in a cage...

On 7/1/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

At 07:35 AM 7/1/2007, you wrote:

Yeah yeah yeah!!!He is going to the best of all possible places,
Kelly Lane

A local Austin double positive cat, Sylvester, left today for Best
Friends Animal Sanctuary.

The Best Friends community really pulled together to donate money for his
trip.

Here is his story!

http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370

Well, I found out you cannot link directly to his story; however, it is at
the top of this forum under Help Needed to Transport Sylvester to Kanab

The next person who goes out to BF, please give me a report.:) One day I
will go to BF, but finances are not allowing me atm.

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

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Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


Well...I'm going to have to respectfully disagree about the off
topic entries suggestion...and I do mean with great respect because I love
everyone on this list!

I think we *need* some OT (off topic) things.  I'll tell you why.

When I first joined this list -- there were a number of people who lost
their babies.  It happens sometimes and there are times when it is just one
after another.  Week after week it was emotionally overwhelming to me.  I
almost stopped my subscription to this list because of that very thing. It
was tearing me apart.

I would read about kitties crossing over and it would absolutely rip my
heart to shreds.  I would get so depressed and feel so hopeless.  I was
emotionally exhausted and trying so hard not to feel desparate and hopeless
about taking care of my dear child.

I think we need some OT things here to help lighten everything up a bit...to
share a funny story...to ask a question that might not be related to FeVL+,
etc.

Yes, the focus of this list should be FeVL+ information, treatment,
protocols, experience.  But just as a holistic healer looks at the whole
self...we need to encompass the whole picture of our babies heath and our
own well being.  We are all care givers.  We have to look at the whole
picture of providing what is needed - and keeping our whole selves at our
best so we can provide the very best care.

It helps a lot of have a sense of humor  Some of the off-topic posts
have been the most precious and just reading that little thing that helped
me laugh and get me back in the right frame of mind.  Like Nina's ninja
dryer pee baby :0)

I have an extremely demanding job as a software engineer - and I really
can't handle being on another list or forum just to discuss off topic
matters.  I do well to try to keep up with this one.

I lost my dear FeVL+ baby earlier this year - but I've learned so much.  I
want to know as much as a can about it and encourage people in my community
that FeVL+ is not a reason to say goodbye to a dear one because they can
live for years and years and have a good quality of life!

I do feed and care for a feral - Zulu - who was captured, nutered, given
shots and released.  He is extremely feral and ellusive..but I try to ensure
he has the very best diet and supplements and plenty of fresh water.  I
can't get within six feet of him (that's with me INSIDE and him outside)

Call me a nut burger...you won't be the first...but I really think that
these FeVL+ babies come to us because we are the ones who are best equipped
care for them.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, tori, othello, shakiti, and
lexie


On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Sometimes I can read and research for days and not have a clue then
suddenly just one person can phrase something a little differently and it
makes sense to me.  Knowing what you are reading and judging its accuracy is
extremely difficult,  Particularly on a subject that is so important as this
life and death one.  Luckily Dixie is not sick and, after two very healthy
years, I suspect the angels have blessed me with a little girl who was
exposed but OK.  The stomatistis has apparently disappeared and could easily
have been from being on her own for a long time.  I still need lots of help
keeping her healthy and happy.  She is my light.   Often I feel like I am
repeating myself too many times then realize that everyone has the same
delete key I do.

As for OT things--most of these conversations are labeled and, again,
everyone has a delete key.





 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:09 AM
*Subject:* Some of us are so new to this all.



There are some here that are new to this virus. We don't know much. That
is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that
distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have
been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very
saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies
might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I
feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with
me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics
about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I
thank all that have shared.

Re: Ki is an Angel


Dede,
I know I'm a nut burger with special sauce...but I still see Mama Kitty
standing at the door looking at me with her sweet self.  She sits by me on
the porch like she always did.  It's been a few months - I still cry.  I
don't think anyone could convince me that those dear ones don't have a soul
and a spirit.  They care about us.  They live on in our hearts...and on a
clear day - you can see them.

Please annoy Chi and give him a big hug from Auntie beth :0)

more hugs and love to you,
elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tori, tiffany, othello, antonio, lexie, and
shakiti


On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Cassandra.  No problem with the crying.  I let
Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today.  He is
running around and being obnoxious.  I keep grabbing
him to hug, and he gets annoyed!!  They are almost
alike except Ki had more white on his front paws and a
white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with white
feet.

I don't know for certain either, but logically, if
you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense
that they live on as we will.  that is a comforting
thought about now.

Dede



--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed.  It is these
 days that are the
 hardest to get through.  When Tomi left me, I
 alternated between not being
 able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's
 been gone forever.  It
 hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and
 allow yourself to cry as
 much as you need to.

 Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe that
 their spirits live on, and
 something happened with Tomi that makes me a little
 more certain that
 perhaps their spirits do persist.  A few hours after
 Tomi died, I leaned
 over to kiss his forehead.  In that exact moment,
 when I opened my eyes and
 looked at him, there was a rainbow across his face.
 I have a kitty ornament
 in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and the
 sun was reflecting
 through it in such a way at that exact time, that it
 shone on his face in a
 rainbow of color.  Could it have been a coincidence?
  I suppose so, but that
 is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it was.

 Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to each
 other right now, and
 telling each other all about us.

 Cassandra




 - Original Message -
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
 Subject: Ki is an Angel


 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking.
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
  When you are in the service of your fellow
 beings, you are only in the
  service of your God
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Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy


Hey Laurie -
I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's like
liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it...
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I
hadn't seen the results for myself.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany,
othello


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are
not house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self
sufficient and, when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much
less kitten kisses or purrs, you know it is genuine.

I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic.
I really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty
Katt to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and
was my father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned
on end and she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as
1st person).  I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails,
gave her meds, took her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.
Finally Mom decided she couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live
with me.  This was no where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's
version of hell.  She lost her job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet
house in the country with electric heat and a stay at home person to live in
the city with forced air gas heat, a working person with very irregular
hours, a mailman who came to the door, all the different scents and
noises...I went so far as to replace the furnace and a/c before she
came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I slept on the floor for three
months working with her and trying to get her to come out.  The Feliway let
her relax enough that she started coming out when I was asleep and things
worked out from there.

The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately
but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It
makes you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes  goes..

Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from  you when you walk
towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on
your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the
floor?

(Yes, folks, I am a slob)...

It's like they REALLY want to be petted  loved, but it's s
scary.  :(

As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use
it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not.

What do you think?

Does it work for you?

I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck,
that's a cat spay or whatever.

But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money

Let me know your thoughts, folks...


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
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- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM
*Subject:* Re: Birds


No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the
skittishness.  It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes).  It
really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's).
It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful
smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the ears 
(not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage)
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella 
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


  Hey Laurie -
  I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's like 
liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff though 
- I wouldn't ever want to be without it... 
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

  I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I 
hadn't seen the results for myself.

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, othello

   
  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

Cassandra,
   
  I am so terribly, terribly sorry.  I can't imagine how you must feel right 
now.  Please know that you did your best, and you gave Tomi, Kisa, and Koda the 
best possible lives.  Lives that millions of cats never have a chance to live.
   
  take care of YOU.
  tonya

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband.  Tomi and I 
have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home.  My husband was 
out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day.  
There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't 
just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 
cats, but Tomi quickly won me over.  I've had a very close bond with him ever 
since.
   
  He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or 
person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him 
home.  His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked 
like a question mark when it was straight up.  Tomi quickly came around though 
and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house.
   
  Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when 
you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes.  He never 
showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never 
got angry.
   
  3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. 
 I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was 
sure he would die.  Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks 
with him.  Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close 
buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as 
I would have liked.
   
  Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed 
again with the anemia.  He was having a hard time breathing, and again he 
bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, 
and drank lots of water.  Yesterday, he started to crash again.
   
  Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but 
his breathing was becoming more labored.  Then around noon, he began panting, 
and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever.  He was so scared 
and crying because he couldn't catch his breath.  This is absolutely the worse 
thing i've ever experienced.  
   
  A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone.  I guess i'll just 
wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn 
to numbness.
   
  Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this.  It looks 
like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over.
   
  Cassandra

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

whoops. I meant to say not as far down AS ear canal..about 1/2 way between ear 
opening and tips... 
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy

  Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the 
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage)
  Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy


I did not know about the spray!  I'll google that -- thanks!

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello,
tori (who all had salmon today and are quite happy!)


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside
the ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is
very emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he
goes to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up
from water damage)
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and
Isabella

- Original Message -
*From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


Hey Laurie -
I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's like
liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without 
it...http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I
hadn't seen the results for myself.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany,
othello


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
 Laurie

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy


got it.  I've heard that using on the ear works very well.  My Phelix has
terrible allergies and we use a transdermal benedry whipped up by the
compounding pharmacist.  It helps him a lot.  I'm thinking its the same
principle...

elizabeth in alabama, et. al. :0)


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 whoops. I meant to say not as far down AS ear canal..about 1/2 way
between ear opening and tips...

- Original Message -
*From:* laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:40 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes
to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from
water damage)
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and
Isabella

Re: Feliway, Rescue Remedy and Anaflora flower essence

Elizabeth ~ I found it! It's Anaflora Emotional Balancing and Healing 
Sprayit's a flower essence for animals.
L

  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy

  I did not know about the spray!  I'll google that -- thanks!

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori 
(who all had salmon today and are quite happy!)

  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the 
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage) 
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella 
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy

  Hey Laurie -
  I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's 
like liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff 
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it... 
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

  I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I 
hadn't seen the results for myself.

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, 
othello

  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 
I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

Re: I am not getting all the posts

recently MANY of my list messages have gone to my bulk folder. are you on yahoo?

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You could also check your spam box.  
Very occasionally one of the messages from this group gets routed to my spam 
box...I am not sure why..

  On 6/30/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   weird...maybe they 
will come in late.  that happens to me sometimes.   

  On 6/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hey guys,

There is something really weird going on with my
email.  I am not getting all the posts and I think 
it's been happening for a while now.  I only saw
Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to
her.  I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede,
but saw Dede reply to them in Sally's post.  Does 
anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Wendy

--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 Hi Dede

 I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV 
 babies will somehow beat
 the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks
 you for all you did.

 Sally


 On 6/30/07, dede hicken  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.
 
  Dede
 
 
 
  --- Marylyn  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Bless you for all the love you gave Ki.  When
 you
   are considering all the
   what ifs as we all do, consider what if you 
 had
   never come into his life
   and how wonderful you made his life.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 If
   you have men who will
   exclude any of God's creatures
  
   from the shelter of
   compassion and pity, you will have men who 
  
   will deal likewise with
   their fellow man.
  
St.
   Francis
   - Original Message - 
   From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
   Subject: Ki is an Angel
  
  
   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let 
 you
   know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
   
It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
   that
his belly looked really full.  The way he was 
breathing was weird also.  You could see his
 head
   and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up
 though,
   and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept 
 spiking.
   He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
   
The vet drained his belly, and it was thick
 straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. 
 My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow
 when
   I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
   horrible
death. 
   
Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
   have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I
   dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I 
   believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came
 from a
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he 
   would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a
 fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,
   
I am so grateful for the time I had with him. 
 He
   came
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.
 I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him
 in
   the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and
 slept
   with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!
  I
   hope
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come 
 when
   we
can all be together forever.
   
May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you
 in
   his
care until we meet again. 
   
Dede
   
When you are in the service of your fellow
   beings, you are only in the
service of your God 
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Re: Feliway, Rescue Remedy and Anaflora flower essence


Thanks Laurie!

e.


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Elizabeth ~ I found it! It's Anaflora Emotional Balancing and Healing
Sprayit's a flower essence for animals.
L


- Original Message -
*From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


I did not know about the spray!  I'll google that -- thanks!

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello,
tori (who all had salmon today and are quite happy!)


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside
 the ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is
 very emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he
 goes to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up
 from water damage)
 Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and
 Isabella

 - Original Message -
 *From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
 *Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


 Hey Laurie -
 I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's
 like liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing
 stuff though - I wouldn't ever want to be without 
it...http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

 I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if
 I hadn't seen the results for myself.

 elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany,
 othello


 On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
   I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
  Laurie

Re: Another Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident

Good news Terrie!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all,
  Wanted to update let you know my husband is home now.
  He has already went to the Dr. had his dressing change. He is wearing a 
temporary cast until Thursday the 28th then the Dr will put on the regular cast.
  He has been cantankerous ole fart but is getting better. The Dr. is proud of 
how the surgeries have went. As long as my husband listens he should recover 
but he won't be 100% considering the damage the arm has suffered.
  I can tell you from experience when I was in nursing years ago his arm is 
doing well. The swelling has gone down quite a bit. Coloring of the arm is good 
even though it is bruised. The pain he has is from the surgery sight which is 
normal. It is also telling me he is starting to heal. He is using his fingers 
some which is the most important thing.
  His appetite is back and eating junk foods again...guess there are some 
things I can't change...lmao!
   
  I want to thank you all for your good thoughts and prayers!
  As we need them!
  I was recently told that I have lost some weight and aging somegeez can't 
imagine why...lmao 
  That isn't too encouraging on the aging part!
   
  My luck has been horrible in the last year or so. It has just got to get 
better!
  This hasn't been easy.
  I always thought when you start growing older that things get better and 
easier...lmao!

   
  Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
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I'm so sorry about what happened with the kitten.  You did what you could. 
Sometimes we have to take others at their word when they promise to do the 
right thing.  I'm sorry these people didn't. :(
  tonya

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Cassandra,
   
  I hate to sound mushy or superstitious or anything weird, but it seems to me 
that Koda, Kisa, and Tomi are sending some new babies in need to you. They know 
how big of a heart you have and how you made their lives so wonderful. Yes, it 
would be a tremendous amount of work, but it would also keep your mind off your 
grief if you have new responsibilities that take up all your time. You could 
even dedicate your work with the new kittens to the memory of your lost babies. 
   
  Of course, only take what you can handleyou can always say no. But since 
youre already working out in your mind how you would handle the situation, I 
think you somehow really want to do thismaybe you and your husband need them 
as much as they need you.
   
  As for barn cats, I am continually disgusted by the way people treat their 
cats around here (Nebraska). If you remember my situation last week with the 
baby kitty whose mama died in the trunk (while baby survived), I was debating 
taking the kitten myself or finding a home for him. Well, the husband was 
taking care of the baby, but I learned yesterday that the baby didnt make it. 
From what Ive gathered, their idea of taking care of the kitty was much 
different from mine. They let him get soaked in the rain and didnt even bring 
him inside. I have been so sad yesterday and today thinking about what I could 
have done. I meant to post an update on the little guy, but I didnt have the 
heart yesterday. I offered to take the kittenI told the lady (co-worker) that 
there were many people who offered to help, but she assured me that her husband 
was tending to it. I should have pushed the issue more. I should have stuck up 
for what is right. Im so upset that this little guy
 had to suffer through his mothers death only to be neglected and die alone. 
Some days I cant bear the insensitivity and barbarism here.
   
  Sorry Cassandra I kind of took over with my own story here! The thought of 
the barn kitties just made me think of this recent situation. I hope you find 
some sort of solution, and Im still keeping you two in my prayers as you 
grieve your fur babies.
   
  Melissa
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C  J
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma

   
What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may 
not even want to live with us.  If she abandons her babies by being moved here 
(I would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I 
don't know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work 
mon-fri, 8 hours a day.  We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of the 
city.  It is possible to come home at lunch time, but that gives us only 10-15 
mins to feed the babies.

 

How often do babies need to eat?  Isn't it every couple of hours?  And how 
long do they need to eat that frequently.  I could probably take a few days off 
work to look after them, but do they need to eat that frequently for a whole 4 
weeks?  I really know nothing about looking after baby kittens.

 

I just don't want to do more harm than good here.

 

Cassandra

Re: My daughter's kitty Big Red went to the bridge on Thursday/Cassandra

Terrie,
   
  I'm so sorry to hear about Big Red.  Please give your daughter my 
condolences.  She has been through so much. ((Hugs)) to you all.
   
  tonya

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cassandra,
  My heart feels for you Sweetie!
  I wish I could say something to help you ease the pain some.
  As we all know on this list it isn't easy when one passes to the bridge.
  Remember we are here for you whether you want to vent or just chat.
   
  On Thursday the 21st of June I had to tell my daughter to take her kitty (Big 
Red) to the Vet. He had been staying with us since she moved. Since he was the 
last of her animals and was comfortable living here told her he can live here 
of whatever time he may have left. He was one of those cats that had the 
million mile marks on him since he flew all over the world with her since he 
was a stray kitten. 
  He has been vomiting and had diarrhea something fierce. 
  Also, he hadn't been making it to the litter-box. 
  She came and got him took him to my Vets they told her he didn't have any 
kidneys left. That he wasn't strong like he used to be. He had a huge frame 
like a Maine Coon I've seen him weigh 25 pounds easily. He was down to 8 
pounds...nothing but skin and bones. He also had that hollow look to him as 
well.
  It was her choice on the decision.
  Very thin and had arthritis on hips big time. When he walked you could see 
the pain he was in. I worried about him breaking his hips when he jumped off 
the bed. He was my husband's sleeping partner for the last year. 
  I told my husband I will not let him suffer anymore. 
  He was about 15 years old. He was a long hair flaming red big kitty.
  My daughter told me that it only took less than 20 seconds for him to pass. 
That tells me he was ready to leave as he was very sick and fragile. 
  He wasn't Felv.
  I buried him beside Sam, Dukee, Gutt, and Jake. I have buried 5 cats so far 
in the last year. As it looks like a Pet Cemetery now.
  God, this is tough.
   
   
  Terrie Mohr-Forker

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SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
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Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

2007-07-01 Thread TatorBunz

 
 
Hello and welcome newbies!
Please don't worry about had been said.
Sometimes we have bad days and ventgod only knows I have  been there 
myself a lot recently. 
There are some folks on this list that do forget when newbies  join they 
don't know yet. Have no clue about the Archives.
 
Many of us here are open to answering questions from new folks  that have 
joined this great list. This is a great loving and caring group of  people from 
all over the world. 
Like one huge family.
We were newbies once ourselves.
Please don't let it bother you.
Sometimes things are taken out of context.
I do feel we need to have the OT things whether it's humor or  vital 
information regarding  other Feline illnesses.
Sometimes there are many cats/kittens that hit all at once  getting sick or 
passing to the Rainbow Bridge. We need to express our emotions. 
It can be overwhelming but that is what this group is all  about...too share 
and love.
 
I have been on this list since 2001...I no longer have a Felv  kitty. 
I can tell you many have different ideas and views. 
Sometimes we have other health questions pertaining to our  kitties and will 
ask this group first. I know I have ask  them.
 
Like some of us that mixed or not.
I did mix my Felv kitties with my non Felv kitties. The  negative kitties 
were vaccinated and tested every year. I have never had one  show up positive. 
I 
had senior and young kittens exposed to this. Now these are  my personal 
kitties.
However, I Do Not Mix rescue cats/kittens for safety  reasons.
This is group has over whelming information that can help our  kitties.
 
FELV is not a death sentence!
So you have questions feel free to ask.
I can't stress this enough!
 
Geez, better stop starting to repeat  myself...lmao!
 
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and researching everything I  can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some 
find it intolerable to  understand the stress that newbies might be under. I 
have never had a sick  cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed 
to have people who are  willing to share information with me even if it is the 
hundredth time they  have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and 
understand less. I  need help and information and I thank all that have  
shared.



 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

Thanks for your thoughts Elizabeth.  You are NOT a nut
case. I've never seen, but I have felt, and I believe.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,
 I know I'm a nut burger with special sauce...but I
 still see Mama Kitty
 standing at the door looking at me with her sweet
 self.  She sits by me on
 the porch like she always did.  It's been a few
 months - I still cry.  I
 don't think anyone could convince me that those dear
 ones don't have a soul
 and a spirit.  They care about us.  They live on in
 our hearts...and on a
 clear day - you can see them.
 
 Please annoy Chi and give him a big hug from Auntie
 beth :0)
 
 more hugs and love to you,
 elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tori, tiffany,
 othello, antonio, lexie, and
 shakiti
 
 
 On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks Cassandra.  No problem with the crying.  I
 let
  Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today. 
 He is
  running around and being obnoxious.  I keep
 grabbing
  him to hug, and he gets annoyed!!  They are almost
  alike except Ki had more white on his front paws
 and a
  white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with
 white
  feet.
 
  I don't know for certain either, but logically, if
  you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense
  that they live on as we will.  that is a
 comforting
  thought about now.
 
  Dede
 
 
 
  --- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed.  It is
 these
   days that are the
   hardest to get through.  When Tomi left me, I
   alternated between not being
   able to believe he was gone, and feeling like
 he's
   been gone forever.  It
   hurts so much, but try to think of him often,
 and
   allow yourself to cry as
   much as you need to.
  
   Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe
 that
   their spirits live on, and
   something happened with Tomi that makes me a
 little
   more certain that
   perhaps their spirits do persist.  A few hours
 after
   Tomi died, I leaned
   over to kiss his forehead.  In that exact
 moment,
   when I opened my eyes and
   looked at him, there was a rainbow across his
 face.
   I have a kitty ornament
   in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and
 the
   sun was reflecting
   through it in such a way at that exact time,
 that it
   shone on his face in a
   rainbow of color.  Could it have been a
 coincidence?
I suppose so, but that
   is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it
 was.
  
   Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to
 each
   other right now, and
   telling each other all about us.
  
   Cassandra
  
  
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
   Subject: Ki is an Angel
  
  
   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let
 you
   know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
   
It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
   that
his belly looked really full.  The way he was
breathing was weird also.  You could see his
 head
   and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up
 though,
   and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept
 spiking.
   He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
   
The vet drained his belly, and it was thick
 straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. 
 My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow
 when
   I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
   horrible
death.
   
Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
   have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I
   dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
   believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came
 from a
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
   would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a
 fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,
   
I am so grateful for the time I had with him. 
 He
   came
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. 
 I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him
 in
   the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and
 slept
   with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!
  I
   hope
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come
 when
   we
can all be together forever.
   
May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you
 in
   his
care until we meet again.
   
Dede
   
When you are in the service of your fellow
   beings, you are only in the
service of your God
  Mosiah 2:17
   
   
   
   
  
 
 


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OT list

2007-07-01 Thread MaryChristine


from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so that
james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to
return to specific things relating to FELV.

most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts,
because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people
who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the
topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this
isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm.




Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not
moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on
the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the
real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic
stuff to this list!


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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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ICQ: 289856892

Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy

RR comes in a spray too.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy


  I did not know about the spray!  I'll google that -- thanks!

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori 
(who all had salmon today and are quite happy!)

   
  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the 
ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very 
emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to 
the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water 
damage) 
Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella 
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy

   
  Hey Laurie -
  I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff.  For some of my kitties - it's 
like liquid valium.  Others - it doesn't even phase them.  It's amazing stuff 
though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it... 
http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm

  I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I 
hadn't seen the results for myself.

  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, 
othello

   
  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 
I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats.
Laurie

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

Hi,
  Welcome to the list although it's always bad news that brings one of us here. 
 I have been away on vacation for the past 2 weeks and am just now catching up. 
 I'll be glad to answer any questions you haven't already got answers to. 
   
  tonya

Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are some here that are new to this virus. We dont know 
much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that 
distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been 
reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened 
that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be 
under. I have never had a sick catI have been very blessed. But I feel doubly 
blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it 
is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus 
and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have 
shared.

Re: Pictures and a question

Sally,
   
  I'm sorry for what you are all going through.  Soft headbutts for Junior.
  tonya

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all
   
  The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am dealing with my fiance's 
illness and hospital doctor visits. Human medicine can be quite frustrating 
dealing with insurance companies and doctors that are booked months in advance. 
 
   
  Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable at least, I am happy for 
that. I always want him normal, but his ears with their hemaetomas, and the eye 
with glaucoma tell me a different story. Plus his lymph nodes behind his ears 
stay a bit swollen. He get several supplements and salmon oil which I am hoping 
will eleminate his need for the matacam. I will know in a day or two, because 
he is now out of metacam, He really needs to have his eye removed, but I don't 
know about rocking his boat with the stress of surgery. Anyone have experience 
with this issue? 
   
  I am so sorry to hear about all the recent losses. It is a reminder that the 
time with our precious babies is fleeting and a gift. 
   
  The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up for me. He is upset because I 
have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to visit and post pictures of 
cats or flowers.  General discussion and funny stories are welcome as well. 
   
  Have a great day!
   
  Sally

-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well.

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: OT list


well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the
list.  i'm not going to another list.

elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti


On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so that
james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to
return to specific things relating to FELV.

most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts,
because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people
who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the
topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this
isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm.




Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not
moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on
the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the
real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic
stuff to this list!


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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

goodbye.

2007-07-01 Thread MaryChristine


enough.

if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

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Re: goodbye.


Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  Love
ya M.C.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti,
othello


On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


enough.

if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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Re: Birds, also, feliway....

I use the Sevin for my feral colonies, it is safe.

There is another product that is safer for the environment.

I will see if I can dig up the name.


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her.  I 
want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.  

  My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage to 
cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.  
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused hot 
spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to green my household also, I just ordered a new book called, 
100 Things you can do to be green.

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ fleas 
and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a one 
car garage, only wider, and it has 2 walkin pens that separate the groups of 
6 cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the 
front door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ 
least another 2 months.

I have yard ferals that I have relocated, and they need treatment as well 
and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be 
careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and 
I have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time 
got away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by 
Aromacat.  I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle 
but haven't used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie 
is such a totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason that needs 
to be dealt with.

  I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the 
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue 
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me 
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial things 
are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after three 
years and.) am doing everything I can to use 
non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff around us.  

  I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.  

  If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments? 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who

Re: Immunity to FeLV?

Thanks, Kelly, good info!

As fas as hseila's cat, that is what they are thinking happened.

A few years back, when they recovered 7 or so cats from the ARC (Karen Wakeland 
nightmare in Dallas), one cat tested neg. but later turned pos.

It was living in their house, w/ the house pets.

It was removed when it tunred pos. and placed in the felv+ area.

Cookie Princess Warrior, her favorite cat of 9 yrs., recently turned pos. after 
all this time.

It's been about 4 yrs. since the exposure.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:25 AM
  Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?




Simon has adjusted well, no idea how he tested pos. and now is neg/neg, but 
he has a very good life.



  A couple of different ways.  First of all, the SNAP test has a high incidence 
of false positives.  I've heard estimates of as high as 20%.  This results in a 
lot of cats that test FELV+ being killed at shelters when they aren't really 
FELV+. 

  Cats can also throw off the virus and become negative.  There's a lot of 
good information on the www.felineleukemia.org web page on supplements, etc to 
make the kitty's immune system as healthy as possible so they have a better 
chance of throwing it off. 

  There is lots of information out there on this:

  Some kittens are able to clear the virus from their system. Others are able 
  to suppress it sufficiently that they are not affected by the virus and do 
  not transmit it to other cats. The exact percentage of cats able to do one 
  of these two things is not known exactly but it probably is at least 30% 
  and may be as high as 50% or more of infected kittens.

  It is pretty confusing to deal with feline leukemia in litters of young 
kittens. It is entirely possible for only part of the litter or even one kitten 
to be infected and the rest of the litter unaffected. Some kittens (or cats) 
who are infected with feline leukemia will develop immunity to the virus and 
will not ever become ill from it. Probably about 30% of the time this happens. 
Some kittens will be able to sequester the virus in the bone marrow or central 
nervous system where it will not cause harm until some future stress occurs and 
causes the immune system to fail in its suppression of the virus. This is 
usually considered to be a latent infection.  

  (this is why you always test *all* kittens in a litter, especially in rescue, 
and not just selectively test one, or assume because the mother tested negative 
that the kittens will too).

  The above is from http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/cfeleuk.html

  When a cat tests positive, the general recommendation is to wait 3 months  
Retest with IFA.  FELV+ sanctuaries will not accept a cat with just a SNAP test 
result because the incidence of false positives is so high.  Even then they can 
still turn neg.  I know Best Friends tests all its FELV+ cats yearly, or maybe 
more often, to make sure they are still showing pos. 

  There is a chart on testing and retesting here:

  http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html

  It is really almost impossible to tell if any cat is pos or neg.  Some cats 
sequester the virus in the bone marrow:

  Recently it was proven that cats could sequester the virus in their bone 
marrow 
  or central nervous system, keeping it suppressed indefinitely, perhaps 
lifelong. 
  In the event of a serious illness or immunosuppression for other reasons such 
as 
  corticosteroid administration, some of these cats lose the ability to 
  suppress the virus and it becomes an active problem again. The question is 
  this: do any cats become immune or are there only cats who are infected but 
  suppressing the virus effectively in this group? My guess is that there are 
  many more cats suppressing the virus than there are cats who are able to 
  become immune.

  I'm wondering if this isn't what happened to Shelia Smith's cat, since adult 
to adult transmission is extremely rare.


   

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Re: goodbye.


Dear MC,

lI'm not THAT active on this list anymore- too much cat/dog stuff to 
do I guess.  But sure am sorry that you feel a need to leave - it's 
always been such a great group, none of the supersensitive/squabble 
stuff on some other lists, none of the rigid control by moderators, 
always caring - as it should be.  I know where you are though :)


Gloria


At 02:22 PM 7/1/2007, MaryChristine wrote:

enough.

if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

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Re: Pictures and a question

2007-07-01 Thread Sally Davis


Tonya

I am grateful that Junior is still with me. It will be a year in guessing a
bit, but I would say September which was when he was treated for the anemia.
I had to give Junior his Metacam today. I could tell he was not feeling
well. Flinching when I petted him as if he was in pain. Time to go back to
the vet to see what our options are.

I am wondering who has cats over a year from their dx of FeLV.

Sally


On 7/1/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sally,

I'm sorry for what you are all going through.  Soft headbutts for Junior.
tonya

*Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

Hi all

The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am dealing with my fiance's
illness and hospital doctor visits. Human medicine can be quite frustrating
dealing with insurance companies and doctors that are booked months in
advance.

Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable at least, I am happy for
that. I always want him normal, but his ears with their hemaetomas, and the
eye with glaucoma tell me a different story. Plus his lymph nodes behind his
ears stay a bit swollen. He get several supplements and salmon oil which I
am hoping will eleminate his need for the matacam. I will know in a day or
two, because he is now out of metacam, He really needs to have his eye
removed, but I don't know about rocking his boat with the stress of surgery.
Anyone have experience with this issue?

I am so sorry to hear about all the recent losses. It is a reminder that
the time with our precious babies is fleeting and a gift.

The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up for me. He is upset because
I have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to visit and post pictures
of cats or flowers.  General discussion and funny stories are welcome as
well.

Have a great day!

Sally

--
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty,
Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures
post your as well.

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3






--
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post
your as well.

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!

Who rescued this kitty, Kelly?

Just curious.

Feel free to email me offlist.

Dr. Mrs. Smith used to have a double pos., he lived a long time, he was an
older cat that was an ex feral.

He recently passed.

Susan J. DuBose ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
Trajan Tennent

- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveika
To: felvtalk
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!

A local Austin double positive cat, Sylvester, left today for Best Friends
Animal Sanctuary.

The Best Friends community really pulled together to donate money for his
trip.

Here is his story!

http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370

Well, I found out you cannot link directly to his story; however, it is at
the top of this forum under Help Needed to Transport Sylvester to Kanab

The next person who goes out to BF, please give me a report.:) One day I
will go to BF, but finances are not allowing me atm.

--
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!

Re: Birds, also, feliway....


oooI have problems with sevin..but then again...I am the nut burger
e. et. al.


On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I use the Sevin for my feral colonies, it is safe.

There is another product that is safer for the environment.

I will see if I can dig up the name.


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her.
I want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.

My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage to
cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused
hot spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to green my household also, I just ordered a new book
called, 100 Things you can do to be green.

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/
fleas and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a
one car garage, only wider, and it has 2 walkin pens that separate the
groups of 6 cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the
front door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @
least another 2 months.

I have yard ferals that I have relocated, and they need treatment as
well and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to be
careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, and
I have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but time
got away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
*Subject:* Re: Birds, also, feliway


I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by
Aromacat.  I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a
bottle but haven't used it enough to make a call for me and my
circumstances.  Dixie is such a totally cool catwhen she gets upset
there is a reason that needs to be dealt with.

I mix her Arm and Hammer litter with silica crystals myself.  Most of the
mixtures don't have enough of the crystals to suit me and most have the blue
disinfectant crystals.  Too many people in the alternative area have told me
they are poison and it makes sense.  Most disinfectants/anti-bacterial
things are.  I just don't want her around them.  I am building (still, after
three years and.) am doing everything I can
to use non-toxic/non-outgassing materials.  I just don't want the stuff
around us.

I love the blackboard idea.  I'll try it.

If the cats are indoor why are you doing flea treatments?






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

Re: goodbye.

2007-07-01 Thread Jane Lyons


I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.


I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them 
have the
knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline 
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who 
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory 
nor statistics.


My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having 
been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely 
the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their 
cats, and who would

(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over 
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom 
line is helping cats,

your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea  and very poor 
appetite.


I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an 
occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed 
on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it 
had been. For the first

time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out.  We are very grateful to all of 
you.


Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  
Love ya M.C.

 
elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, 
othello


 
On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enough.


if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

--

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.

Thanks Elizabeth!

I see in my original post that I made an error when I said I *had* 12 felv+ 
fosters.

I do not.(Gz Freudian slip or what?)

I have 4 felv+ cats that are part of Texas Siamese Rescue, I am their permanent 
foster meowmy.

I also have 12 fosters that have had a felv exposure.

I feel punch drunkhiccup..

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


  Hi Susan!  How did I miss saying hello and welcome to you too??  *sigh*

  Welcome!

  I've been a terrible hostess.  We just had a huge celebration for my parent's 
50th wedding anniversary last weekend so I guess I am still a jello-head from 
that.

  Bless you for taking care of those dear FeVL+ babies.  So many people don't 
realize that a diagnosis of FeVL+ is not a death sentence!  They can still have 
a wonderful quality of life and they need lots of love.  

  I'll try to do a better job of keeping up.  I'm so glad you joined us!

  hugs and a big welcome!
  elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, and 
tori.

Re: Pictures and a question

It will be a year for me to have Lola, and Ursula it's been about 9 months.


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:30 PM
  Subject: Re: Pictures and a question


  Tonya

  I am grateful that Junior is still with me. It will be a year in guessing a 
bit, but I would say September which was when he was treated for the anemia. I 
had to give Junior his Metacam today. I could tell he was not feeling well. 
Flinching when I petted him as if he was in pain. Time to go back to the vet to 
see what our options are. 

  I am wondering who has cats over a year from their dx of FeLV. 

  Sally

   
  On 7/1/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Sally,

I'm sorry for what you are all going through.  Soft headbutts for Junior.
tonya

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all

  The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am dealing with my fiance's 
illness and hospital doctor visits. Human medicine can be quite frustrating 
dealing with insurance companies and doctors that are booked months in advance. 
 

  Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable at least, I am happy for 
that. I always want him normal, but his ears with their hemaetomas, and the eye 
with glaucoma tell me a different story. Plus his lymph nodes behind his ears 
stay a bit swollen. He get several supplements and salmon oil which I am hoping 
will eleminate his need for the matacam. I will know in a day or two, because 
he is now out of metacam, He really needs to have his eye removed, but I don't 
know about rocking his boat with the stress of surgery. Anyone have experience 
with this issue? 

  I am so sorry to hear about all the recent losses. It is a reminder that 
the time with our precious babies is fleeting and a gift. 

  The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up for me. He is upset 
because I have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to visit and post 
pictures of cats or flowers.  General discussion and funny stories are welcome 
as well. 

  Have a great day!

  Sally

  -- 
  Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, 
Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures 
post your as well.

  http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 





  -- 
  Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well. 

  http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: goodbye.

A, thanks Jane for the story on MeMe (what a cute name!).

I bet she is adorable and if I could just give her squeeze through 
cyberspace  :)


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.


  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive 
cat.

  I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have 
the
  knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
  This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come 
here shell
  shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor 
statistics.

  My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been 
thrown
  on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the 
result of the
  information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express 
the grief and
  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, 
and who would
  (hopefully) understand.

  It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and 
having to
  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is 
helping cats,
  your time is not in vain.

  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, 
very badly
  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor 
appetite.

  I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an 
occasional sneeze
  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on 
the bottom
  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had 
been. For the first
  time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

What is the problem?  As opposed to putting drops on the cat?  I think we all 
want to do what is the best for our immune compromised friends to keep them 
healthy.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  oooI have problems with sevin..but then again...I am the nut burger
  e. et. al.

   
  On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
I use the Sevin for my feral colonies, it is safe.

There is another product that is safer for the environment.

I will see if I can dig up the name.


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

   
  Dixie and I travel quite a bit so bottled water is almost a must for her. 
 I want to get a purifier put in here but things take time.  

  My vet says Sevin around Mom's home will stop fleas and won't do damage 
to cats.  This might work in areas for you in addition to what you are doing.  
Fleas can cause lots of problems.  They came in with lumber here and caused hot 
spots on Dixie that got infected etc..Big mess. 






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

 
Great idea on the litter, I will try it.

I am trying to green my household also, I just ordered a new book 
called, 100 Things you can do to be green.

I am doing flea treatments on my 12 felv+ fosters, they came to me w/ 
fleas and I want to do 2 to 3 months of treatment.

They also live in another building on the property, it is the size of a 
one car garage, only wider, and it has 2 walkin pens that separate the groups 
of 6 cats.

They have perches, windows (screened), fans, but no a/c so I leave the 
front door open during the day, which is screened also.

It is supposed to be my iso / temp holding quarters, which it is for @ 
least another 2 months.

I have yard ferals that I have relocated, and they need treatment as 
well and their fleas *could* end up in the house enclosure.

It is screened w/ pet screen and topped off w/ wire, so, just trying to 
be careful.

I haven't done a flea treatment on my personal cats for about 2 years, 
and I have been witnessing a bit of scratching lately, so it's time.

I really meant to treat everyone as they moved to the new place, but 
time got away form me.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway

   
  I haven't tried that one but a holistic vet recommends Cat Nap by 
Aromacat.  I have friends who have had lots of luck with it.  I have a bottle 
but haven't used it enough to make a call for me and my circumstances.  Dixie 
is such a totally cool catwhen she gets upset there is a reason

Re: goodbye.

I'm sure I am repeating myself but please try the Brush Away from Petzlife as 
well as Just Born with colostrum.  A lady on the stomatitis board thinks 
extremely highly of it and so do I.  I have human friends who use colostrum and 
it has really improved their healing ability and immune system.  One example is 
a 70s + lady with a broken bone who healed like a 10 year old.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.


  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive 
cat.

  I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have 
the
  knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
  This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come 
here shell
  shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor 
statistics.

  My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been 
thrown
  on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the 
result of the
  information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express 
the grief and
  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, 
and who would
  (hopefully) understand.

  It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and 
having to
  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is 
helping cats,
  your time is not in vain.

  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, 
very badly
  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor 
appetite.

  I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an 
occasional sneeze
  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on 
the bottom
  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had 
been. For the first
  time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









  On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:


Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  Love 
ya M.C.
 
elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, 
othello

 
On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enough.


  if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

  MC

  -- 

  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

  MaryChristine

  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892

Re: goodbye.

Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a wonderful member 
for quite a while, and a wealth of good information.  We've had a 
great group for so long.  There are many times that we need to be 
gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all we see here are 
typed messages, and there's lots more going on with each one than 
that. But I'm glad you're here and think things will settle down.


Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won (mouth), Toby (mouth), 
Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) - none are FELV however.


Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?

Gloria




- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.


I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of 
them have the

knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who 
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not 
theory nor statistics.


My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, 
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is 
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved 
their cats, and who would

(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over 
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom 
line is helping cats,

your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very 
poor appetite.


I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, 
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be 
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as 
it had been. For the first

time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)

Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around

I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely on this 
group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the help.  MC you have been a 
great resource already. Please, can we put principles above personalities and 
focus on the felines we are here to help? Just a suggestion.
I wish everyone the best,
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.

  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive 
cat.

  I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have 
the
  knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
  This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come 
here shell
  shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor 
statistics.

  My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been 
thrown
  on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the 
result of the
  information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express 
the grief and
  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, 
and who would
  (hopefully) understand.

  It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and 
having to
  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is 
helping cats,
  your time is not in vain.

  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, 
very badly
  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor 
appetite.

  I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an 
occasional sneeze
  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on 
the bottom
  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had 
been. For the first
  time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)

  On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  Love 
ya M.C.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, 
othello

On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enough.

  if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

  MC

  -- 

  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
  Maybe That'll Make The Difference

  MaryChristine

  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
  MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ICQ: 289856892

Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth

Please don't leave
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: OT list

  well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the 
list.  i'm not going to another list.  

  elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti

  On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so that 
james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to return 
to specific things relating to FELV. 

most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts, 
because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people who 
consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the topic has 
gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this isn't MY opinion 
or rule, it's pretty much the norm. 

Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not 
moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on the 
other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the real 
info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic stuff to 
this list! 

-- 

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ: 289856892

Re: stomatitis/colostrum , was goodbye.


Repeating is good sometimes - thanks much -
Gloria

At 04:06 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:
I'm sure I am repeating myself but please try the Brush Away from 
Petzlife as well as Just Born with colostrum.  A lady on the 
stomatitis board thinks extremely highly of it and so do I.  I have 
human friends who use colostrum and it has really improved their 
healing ability and immune system.  One example is a 70s + lady with 
a broken bone who healed like a 10 year old.







 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.


I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of 
them have the

knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who 
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not 
theory nor statistics.


My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, 
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is 
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved 
their cats, and who would

(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over 
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom 
line is helping cats,

your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very 
poor appetite.


I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, 
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be 
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as 
it had been. For the first

time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come 
back.  Love ya M.C.


elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, othello


On 7/1/07, ?fontfamily?param 
HelveticaMaryChristine?/fontfamily ?color?param 
,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color wrote: enough.


if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

--

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: ?color?param ,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color
ICQ: 289856892

Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around

2007-07-01 Thread Kelly L


At 02:15 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:


For those of us belonging to many forums this is perhaps the most 
informative and the saddest with continual loses.
All families argue..and the best thing we can do is to send our 
private discussions in a private email.

that way our insults can be directed at the proper persons
This a very informative knowledgeable group and so supportive,,,
We are all different in many aspects. many call the powers of their 
god to help,, Me, an atheist do not do god,,or animal communicators. 
but the most important thing is WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR FELINE 
FRIENDS ...we are all here for each other.

this a good place
Kelly


I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely 
on this group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the 
help.  MC you have been a great resource already. Please, can we put 
principles above personalities and focus on the felines we are here 
to help? Just a suggestion.

I wish everyone the best,
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.


I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of 
them have the

knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who 
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not 
theory nor statistics.


My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, 
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is 
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved 
their cats, and who would

(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over 
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom 
line is helping cats,

your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very 
poor appetite.


I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, 
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be 
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as 
it had been. For the first

time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come 
back.  Love ya M.C.


elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, othello


On 7/1/07, ?fontfamily?param 
HelveticaMaryChristine?/fontfamily ?color?param 
,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color wrote: enough.


if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

--

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: ?color?param ,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color
ICQ: 289856892



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Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis

So, how much of the Just Born to you feed them?

I mean, I know it won't hurt them, and it comes in little cartons  a powder 
form too.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:06 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.


  I'm sure I am repeating myself but please try the Brush Away from Petzlife as 
well as Just Born with colostrum.  A lady on the stomatitis board thinks 
extremely highly of it and so do I.  I have human friends who use colostrum and 
it has really improved their healing ability and immune system.  One example is 
a 70s + lady with a broken bone who healed like a 10 year old.  






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
.

Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


hey -- pass that punch over here ;-)



On 7/1/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Thanks Elizabeth!

I see in my original post that I made an error when I said I *had* 12
felv+ fosters.

I do not.(Gz Freudian slip or what?)

I have 4 felv+ cats that are part of Texas Siamese Rescue, I am their
permanent foster meowmy.

I also have 12 fosters that have had a felv exposure.

I feel punch drunkhiccup..

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent





- Original Message -
*From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:42 AM
*Subject:* Re: Some of us are so new to this all.


Hi Susan!  How did I miss saying hello and welcome to you too??  *sigh*

Welcome!

I've been a terrible hostess.  We just had a huge celebration for my
parent's 50th wedding anniversary last weekend so I guess I am still a
jello-head from that.

Bless you for taking care of those dear FeVL+ babies.  So many people
don't realize that a diagnosis of FeVL+ is not a death sentence!  They can
still have a wonderful quality of life and they need lots of love.

I'll try to do a better job of keeping up.  I'm so glad you joined us!

hugs and a big welcome!
elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello,
and tori.

Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis

When I give it to Dixie I mix a couple of scoops in her food.  That amounts to 
about a scoop a meal.  There are some directions on the can for infirmed and 
pregnant cats.  To be honest, sometimes--most of the time--I go by what feels 
right at that time on that day etc.  And it can't hurt but I watch her weight 
(by feel not by scales) to make sure she isn't getting too many calories.  The 
way she burns them up running from window to window I have had no 
problem but I am aware of the extra calories involved.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:27 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


  So, how much of the Just Born to you feed them?

  I mean, I know it won't hurt them, and it comes in little cartons  a powder 
form too.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.


I'm sure I am repeating myself but please try the Brush Away from Petzlife 
as well as Just Born with colostrum.  A lady on the stomatitis board thinks 
extremely highly of it and so do I.  I have human friends who use colostrum and 
it has really improved their healing ability and immune system.  One example is 
a 70s + lady with a broken bone who healed like a 10 year old.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  .

Re: goodbye.


MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on here before I have to
come up there with a big can of you know what!..

elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy, alexsis, tori,
shaktit,othello...


On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a wonderful member
for quite a while, and a wealth of good information.  We've had a
great group for so long.  There are many times that we need to be
gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all we see here are
typed messages, and there's lots more going on with each one than
that. But I'm glad you're here and think things will settle down.

Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won (mouth), Toby (mouth),
Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) - none are FELV however.

Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?

Gloria



- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv
positive cat.

I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of
them have the
knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not
theory nor statistics.

My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation,
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved
their cats, and who would
(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom
line is helping cats,
your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia,
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very
poor appetite.

I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands,
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as
it had been. For the first
time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)

Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth


Thank you, Laurie...I'm just torqued off at MC...she knows it...and I've
already told her to get her big white hiney back here ;-)

elizabeth


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Please don't leave
Laurie

- Original Message -
*From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: OT list


well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the
list.  i'm not going to another list.

elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti


On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so
 that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and
 to return to specific things relating to FELV.

 most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts,
 because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people
 who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the
 topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this
 isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm.




 Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

 This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

 Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not
 moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on
 the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the
 real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic
 stuff to this list!


 --

 Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
 Maybe That'll Make The Difference

 MaryChristine

 AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892

Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around


I've already told MC she's being a butt...I hope she comes back because we
need her.
e.


On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely on
this group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the help.  MC you
have been a great resource already. Please, can we put principles above
personalities and focus on the felines we are here to help? Just a
suggestion.
I wish everyone the best,
Laurie

- Original Message -
*From:* Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: goodbye.


I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv
positive cat.

I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them
have the
knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come
here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor
statistics.

My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having
been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the
result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express
the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their
cats, and who would
(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again,
and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line
is helping cats,
your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia,
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor
appetite.

I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an
occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on
the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had
been. For the first
time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  Love
ya M.C.

elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti,
othello


On 7/1/07, *MaryChristine* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enough.


if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

MC

--

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around

As a person who firmly believes in her God and in animal communications I have 
to second Kelly's comments.   It is truly about the cats and support.  




 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kelly L 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:23 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around


  At 02:15 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:


  For those of us belonging to many forums this is perhaps the most informative 
and the saddest with continual loses. 
  All families argue..and the best thing we can do is to send our private 
discussions in a private email.
  that way our insults can be directed at the proper persons
  This a very informative knowledgeable group and so supportive,,,
  We are all different in many aspects. many call the powers of their god to 
help,, Me, an atheist do not do god,,or animal communicators. but the most 
important thing is WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR FELINE FRIENDS ...we are all 
here for each other.
  this a good place
  Kelly



I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely on this 
group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the help.  MC you have been a 
great resource already. Please, can we put principles above personalities and 
focus on the felines we are here to help? Just a suggestion.
I wish everyone the best,
Laurie

  - Original Message - 

  From: Jane Lyons 

  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM

  Subject: Re: goodbye.


  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very

  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.


  I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them 
have the

  knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline 
Leukemia.

  This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come 
here shell

  shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor 
statistics.


  My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having 
been thrown

  on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the 
result of the

  information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and

  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their 
cats, and who would

  (hopefully) understand.


  It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, 
and having to

  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line 
is helping cats,

  your time is not in vain.


  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly

  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor 
appetite.


  I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an 
occasional sneeze

  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed 
on the bottom

  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it 
had been. For the first

  time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.


  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.


  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)










  On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:


Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  
Love ya M.C.



elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, 
othello




On 7/1/07, ?fontfamily?param HelveticaMaryChristine?/fontfamily 
?color?param ,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color wrote: enough.



  if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.


  MC


  -- 


  Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!

  Maybe That'll Make The Difference


  MaryChristine


  AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats

  MSN: ?color?param ,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color

  ICQ: 289856892




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9:08 PM

Re: goodbye.

What is going on here?   I didn't even know there were
2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.

I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful
lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.

Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a
diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a
list for that.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on
 here before I have to
 come up there with a big can of you know what!..
 
 elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
 alexsis, tori,
 shaktit,othello...
 
 
 On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a
 wonderful member
  for quite a while, and a wealth of good
 information.  We've had a
  great group for so long.  There are many times
 that we need to be
  gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all
 we see here are
  typed messages, and there's lots more going on
 with each one than
  that. But I'm glad you're here and think things
 will settle down.
 
  Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
 (mouth), Toby (mouth),
  Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
 none are FELV however.
 
  Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
  To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.
  
  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new
 person (me) it is very
  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
 lifeline for my Felv
  positive cat.
  
  I use two vets, one of them well known
 nationally, and neither of
  them have the
  knowledge and experience that you guys
 (collectively) have of Feline
  Leukemia.
  This is a priceless resource, especially for
 people like myself, who
  come here shell
  shocked and need to hear the reality from the
 frontline, not
  theory nor statistics.
  
  My little cat, who came from an over burdened
 colony situation,
  having been thrown
  on their porch from a moving car, is so much
 better and it is
  largely the result of the
  information that I got here. Also, I was so
 grateful to be able to
  express the grief and
  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people
 who really loved
  their cats, and who would
  (hopefully) understand.
  
  It must be difficult repeating the same
 information over and over
  again, and having to
  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction,
 but if the bottom
  line is helping cats,
  your time is not in vain.
  
  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
 suffering from giardia,
  stomatitis, very badly
  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose,
 diarrhea and very
  poor appetite.
  
  I am happy to report we now have formed stools,
 no swollen glands,
  an occasional sneeze
  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
 stomatitis seems to be
  healed on the bottom
  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but
 not as inflamed as
  it had been. For the first
  time in her little life she seems comfortable and
 very content.
  
  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very
 grateful to all of you.
  
  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)
 
 
 
 


When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service 
of your God
   Mosiah 2:17


   

Choose the right car based on your needs.  Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car 
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Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis

That makes sense, read the can, Susan.  :)

I should have remembered that, there are instructions on the back for adults.

And w/ as many bottle kittens as I have nursed, I really should have known that.

This is the first year that I have not taken in bottle babies in many years.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:29 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


  When I give it to Dixie I mix a couple of scoops in her food.  That amounts 
to about a scoop a meal.  There are some directions on the can for infirmed and 
pregnant cats.  To be honest, sometimes--most of the time--I go by what feels 
right at that time on that day etc.  And it can't hurt but I watch her weight 
(by feel not by scales) to make sure she isn't getting too many calories.  The 
way she burns them up running from window to window I have had no 
problem but I am aware of the extra calories involved.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis

Re: Pictures and a question

My positive was positive when she was dumped at the vet's office close to a 
year old.  I think it was 1999, could have been 2000.
  t

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tonya
   
  I am grateful that Junior is still with me. It will be a year in guessing a 
bit, but I would say September which was when he was treated for the anemia. I 
had to give Junior his Metacam today. I could tell he was not feeling well. 
Flinching when I petted him as if he was in pain. Time to go back to the vet to 
see what our options are. 
   
  I am wondering who has cats over a year from their dx of FeLV. 
   
  Sally

 
  On 7/1/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally,
   
  I'm sorry for what you are all going through.  Soft headbutts for Junior.
  tonya

Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all
   
  The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am dealing with my fiance's 
illness and hospital doctor visits. Human medicine can be quite frustrating 
dealing with insurance companies and doctors that are booked months in advance. 
 
   
  Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable at least, I am happy for 
that. I always want him normal, but his ears with their hemaetomas, and the eye 
with glaucoma tell me a different story. Plus his lymph nodes behind his ears 
stay a bit swollen. He get several supplements and salmon oil which I am hoping 
will eleminate his need for the matacam. I will know in a day or two, because 
he is now out of metacam, He really needs to have his eye removed, but I don't 
know about rocking his boat with the stress of surgery. Anyone have experience 
with this issue? 
   
  I am so sorry to hear about all the recent losses. It is a reminder that the 
time with our precious babies is fleeting and a gift. 
   
  The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up for me. He is upset because I 
have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to visit and post pictures of 
cats or flowers.  General discussion and funny stories are welcome as well. 
   
  Have a great day!
   
  Sally

-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well.

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 






-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well. 

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis

That wasn't meant to be smart and I hope no one took it that way.  There are 
just some decisions a person has to make with more information than my personal 
opinion.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


  That makes sense, read the can, Susan.  :)

  I should have remembered that, there are instructions on the back for adults.

  And w/ as many bottle kittens as I have nursed, I really should have known 
that.

  This is the first year that I have not taken in bottle babies in many years.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


When I give it to Dixie I mix a couple of scoops in her food.  That amounts 
to about a scoop a meal.  There are some directions on the can for infirmed and 
pregnant cats.  To be honest, sometimes--most of the time--I go by what feels 
right at that time on that day etc.  And it can't hurt but I watch her weight 
(by feel not by scales) to make sure she isn't getting too many calories.  The 
way she burns them up running from window to window I have had no 
problem but I am aware of the extra calories involved.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis

Re: goodbye.

Please post any mouth information.  That was Dixie's only symptom and, while 
I am satisfied it is under control, I would appreciate anything that might 
help keep it that way.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.



What is going on here?   I didn't even know there were
2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.

I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful
lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.

Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a
diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a
list for that.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on
here before I have to
come up there with a big can of you know what!..

elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
alexsis, tori,
shaktit,othello...


On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a
wonderful member
 for quite a while, and a wealth of good
information.  We've had a
 great group for so long.  There are many times
that we need to be
 gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all
we see here are
 typed messages, and there's lots more going on
with each one than
 that. But I'm glad you're here and think things
will settle down.

 Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
(mouth), Toby (mouth),
 Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
none are FELV however.

 Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?

 Gloria



 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
 To:


mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: goodbye.
 
 I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new
person (me) it is very
 sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
lifeline for my Felv
 positive cat.
 
 I use two vets, one of them well known
nationally, and neither of
 them have the
 knowledge and experience that you guys
(collectively) have of Feline
 Leukemia.
 This is a priceless resource, especially for
people like myself, who
 come here shell
 shocked and need to hear the reality from the
frontline, not
 theory nor statistics.
 
 My little cat, who came from an over burdened
colony situation,
 having been thrown
 on their porch from a moving car, is so much
better and it is
 largely the result of the
 information that I got here. Also, I was so
grateful to be able to
 express the grief and
 fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people
who really loved
 their cats, and who would
 (hopefully) understand.
 
 It must be difficult repeating the same
information over and over
 again, and having to
 adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction,
but if the bottom
 line is helping cats,
 your time is not in vain.
 
 I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
suffering from giardia,
 stomatitis, very badly
 swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose,
diarrhea and very
 poor appetite.
 
 I am happy to report we now have formed stools,
no swollen glands,
 an occasional sneeze
 and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
stomatitis seems to be
 healed on the bottom
 of her mouth, although the top is still red, but
not as inflamed as
 it had been. For the first
 time in her little life she seems comfortable and
very content.
 
 I hope things here can be worked out. We are very
grateful to all of you.
 
 Jane (and a much improved MeMe)







When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the 
service of your God

  Mosiah 2:17




Choose the right car based on your needs.  Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car 
Finder tool.

http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/

Re: Pictures and a question

Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with the 
addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I have to 
wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: Pictures and a question


  My positive was positive when she was dumped at the vet's office close to a 
year old.  I think it was 1999, could have been 2000.
  t

  Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tonya

I am grateful that Junior is still with me. It will be a year in guessing a 
bit, but I would say September which was when he was treated for the anemia. I 
had to give Junior his Metacam today. I could tell he was not feeling well. 
Flinching when I petted him as if he was in pain. Time to go back to the vet to 
see what our options are. 

I am wondering who has cats over a year from their dx of FeLV. 

Sally

 
On 7/1/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Sally,

  I'm sorry for what you are all going through.  Soft headbutts for Junior.
  tonya

  Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all

The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am dealing with my fiance's 
illness and hospital doctor visits. Human medicine can be quite frustrating 
dealing with insurance companies and doctors that are booked months in advance. 
 

Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable at least, I am happy 
for that. I always want him normal, but his ears with their hemaetomas, and the 
eye with glaucoma tell me a different story. Plus his lymph nodes behind his 
ears stay a bit swollen. He get several supplements and salmon oil which I am 
hoping will eleminate his need for the matacam. I will know in a day or two, 
because he is now out of metacam, He really needs to have his eye removed, but 
I don't know about rocking his boat with the stress of surgery. Anyone have 
experience with this issue? 

I am so sorry to hear about all the recent losses. It is a reminder 
that the time with our precious babies is fleeting and a gift. 

The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up for me. He is upset 
because I have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to visit and post 
pictures of cats or flowers.  General discussion and funny stories are welcome 
as well. 

Have a great day!

Sally

-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, 
Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures 
post your as well.


http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 





-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little 
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well. 

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

OT: Re: mouth and diabetes -Dede - (was goodbye.)

Nope - I've a little exp with diabetic, but not must.  For the mouth 
- one got a dex shot (19 yr old siamese) as depo can be hard on the 
kidneys.  I'm going to find my colostrum or lactoferrin and try 
that.  The other mouth one had a depo shot, but not as effective as 
last time.  Giving him vitamins.


The diabetic - vet prescribed Lantus.  And Science Diet W/D.  Seems 
better after just a weekend of W/D.  I won't start the Lantus till 
Monday, when the vet office is open (just in case).  Am somewhat 
concerned about it hmmm.


Gloria


At 05:21 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:

What is going on here?   I didn't even know there were
2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.

I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful
lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.

Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a
diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a
list for that.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on
 here before I have to
 come up there with a big can of you know what!..

 elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
 alexsis, tori,
 shaktit,othello...


 On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a
 wonderful member
  for quite a while, and a wealth of good
 information.  We've had a
  great group for so long.  There are many times
 that we need to be
  gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all
 we see here are
  typed messages, and there's lots more going on
 with each one than
  that. But I'm glad you're here and think things
 will settle down.
 
  Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
 (mouth), Toby (mouth),
  Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
 none are FELV however.
 
  Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
  To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.
  
  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new
 person (me) it is very
  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
 lifeline for my Felv
  positive cat.
  
  I use two vets, one of them well known
 nationally, and neither of
  them have the
  knowledge and experience that you guys
 (collectively) have of Feline
  Leukemia.
  This is a priceless resource, especially for
 people like myself, who
  come here shell
  shocked and need to hear the reality from the
 frontline, not
  theory nor statistics.
  
  My little cat, who came from an over burdened
 colony situation,
  having been thrown
  on their porch from a moving car, is so much
 better and it is
  largely the result of the
  information that I got here. Also, I was so
 grateful to be able to
  express the grief and
  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people
 who really loved
  their cats, and who would
  (hopefully) understand.
  
  It must be difficult repeating the same
 information over and over
  again, and having to
  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction,
 but if the bottom
  line is helping cats,
  your time is not in vain.
  
  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
 suffering from giardia,
  stomatitis, very badly
  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose,
 diarrhea and very
  poor appetite.
  
  I am happy to report we now have formed stools,
 no swollen glands,
  an occasional sneeze
  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
 stomatitis seems to be
  healed on the bottom
  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but
 not as inflamed as
  it had been. For the first
  time in her little life she seems comfortable and
 very content.
  
  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very
 grateful to all of you.
  
  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)
 
 
 



When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in 
the service of your God

   Mosiah 2:17




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Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth

:-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth

  Thank you, Laurie...I'm just torqued off at MC...she knows it...and I've 
already told her to get her big white hiney back here ;-)

  elizabeth

  On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Please don't leave
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM
  Subject: Re: OT list

  well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave 
the list.  i'm not going to another list.  

  elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti

  On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: 
from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so 
that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to 
return to specific things relating to FELV. 

most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts, 
because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people who 
consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the topic has 
gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this isn't MY opinion 
or rule, it's pretty much the norm. 

Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are 
not moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on 
the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the 
real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic stuff 
to this list! 

-- 

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
ICQ: 289856892

Re: goodbye.

Me too about two lists...what is the other one??
- Original Message - 
From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

What is going on here?   I didn't even know there were
2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.

I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful
lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.

Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a
diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a
list for that.

Dede

--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on
here before I have to
come up there with a big can of you know what!..

elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
alexsis, tori,
shaktit,othello...

On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a
wonderful member
 for quite a while, and a wealth of good
information.  We've had a
 great group for so long.  There are many times
that we need to be
 gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all
we see here are
 typed messages, and there's lots more going on
with each one than
 that. But I'm glad you're here and think things
will settle down.

 Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
(mouth), Toby (mouth),
 Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
none are FELV however.

 Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?

 Gloria

 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
 To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: goodbye.

 I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new
person (me) it is very
 sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
lifeline for my Felv
 positive cat.

 I use two vets, one of them well known
nationally, and neither of
 them have the
 knowledge and experience that you guys
(collectively) have of Feline
 Leukemia.
 This is a priceless resource, especially for
people like myself, who
 come here shell
 shocked and need to hear the reality from the
frontline, not
 theory nor statistics.

 My little cat, who came from an over burdened
colony situation,
 having been thrown
 on their porch from a moving car, is so much
better and it is
 largely the result of the
 information that I got here. Also, I was so
grateful to be able to
 express the grief and
 fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people
who really loved
 their cats, and who would
 (hopefully) understand.

 It must be difficult repeating the same
information over and over
 again, and having to
 adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction,
but if the bottom
 line is helping cats,
 your time is not in vain.

 I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
suffering from giardia,
 stomatitis, very badly
 swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose,
diarrhea and very
 poor appetite.

 I am happy to report we now have formed stools,
no swollen glands,
 an occasional sneeze
 and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
stomatitis seems to be
 healed on the bottom
 of her mouth, although the top is still red, but
not as inflamed as
 it had been. For the first
 time in her little life she seems comfortable and
very content.

 I hope things here can be worked out. We are very
grateful to all of you.

 Jane (and a much improved MeMe)

When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the 
service of your God

  Mosiah 2:17

Choose the right car based on your needs.  Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car 
Finder tool.

http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/

Re: goodbye....now stomatitis

2007-07-01 Thread Jane Lyons



As I said Marylyn, her condition is much improved, her upper gums are  
still red, but not as inflamed and
utterly raw as they had been. Her lower gums now look completely  
normal. Her breath is now odorless.

When we first got her it was really awful.

She's been on FortiFlora which my vet was convinced would help. (I  
guess it is the digestive tract that

really impacts the mouth)
Maitake-DMG liquid (vet's recommendation)
Transfer Factor (this group's recommendation)
l-lycine (this group's recommendation)

spring water
raw diet (she will not eat anything except Fancy Feast grilled turkey)  
I've been mixing bits of raw
into the wet food ...also I have been mixing Archetype into Fancy Feast  
dry and she has eaten it.


she was on Panacur for the giardia.
My vet ordered IR, but is holding off because she has made good  
progress without it.
Her glands had been very swollen. One gland in particular seemed to be  
the size of a ping pong
ball and when Caroline posted about Monkee's tumor, I thought for sure  
that was it. I made an
appointment with my vet (who is on vacation) and just two days ago, it  
disappeared. All her
glands are completely normal. The ping pong ball is gone. My husband  
has checked her over very

thoroughly and he cannot find it either.

So ...I do not know what did what...but she is so much better.
I have been reading the Archives here and I realize that a young cat (a  
year old) who is as symptomatic
as MeMe has been does not have great odds. I am relieved that she seems  
so content and comfortable.
I am hoping that since her life is so improved, she'll want to stick  
around.


Marylyn thanks for the: Brush Away from Petzlife as well as Just Born  
with colostrum. I will try both of them.


Jane











On Jul 1, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Please post any mouth information.  That was Dixie's only symptom and,  
while I am satisfied it is under control, I would appreciate anything  
that might help keep it that way.






If you have men who  
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of  
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise  
with their fellow man.
 St.  
Francis

- Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.



What is going on here?   I didn't even know there were
2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.

I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful
lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.

Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a
diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a
list for that.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on
here before I have to
come up there with a big can of you know what!..

elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
alexsis, tori,
shaktit,othello...


On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a
wonderful member
 for quite a while, and a wealth of good
information.  We've had a
 great group for so long.  There are many times
that we need to be
 gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all
we see here are
 typed messages, and there's lots more going on
with each one than
 that. But I'm glad you're here and think things
will settle down.

 Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
(mouth), Toby (mouth),
 Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
none are FELV however.

 Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?

 Gloria



 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
 To:


mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: goodbye.
 
 I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new
person (me) it is very
 sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
lifeline for my Felv
 positive cat.
 
 I use two vets, one of them well known
nationally, and neither of
 them have the
 knowledge and experience that you guys
(collectively) have of Feline
 Leukemia.
 This is a priceless resource, especially for
people like myself, who
 come here shell
 shocked and need to hear the reality from the
frontline, not
 theory nor statistics.
 
 My little cat, who came from an over burdened
colony situation,
 having been thrown
 on their porch from a moving car, is so much
better and it is
 largely the result of the
 information that I got here. Also, I was so
grateful to be able to
 express the grief and
 fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people
who really loved
 their cats, and who would
 (hopefully) understand.
 
 It must be difficult repeating the same
information over and over
 again, and having to
 adjust to a lot of

Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis

Oh, I know Marylyn, I was being smart w/ myself.

I had a bad day today, very stressful, so my brain is fried.

I should have remembered though, and when I forget something so simple, I am 
rather hard on myself.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


  That wasn't meant to be smart and I hope no one took it that way.  There are 
just some decisions a person has to make with more information than my personal 
opinion.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


That makes sense, read the can, Susan.  :)

I should have remembered that, there are instructions on the back for 
adults.

And w/ as many bottle kittens as I have nursed, I really should have known 
that.

This is the first year that I have not taken in bottle babies in many years.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:29 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye AKAS Stomatitis


  When I give it to Dixie I mix a couple of scoops in her food.  That 
amounts to about a scoop a meal.  There are some directions on the can for 
infirmed and pregnant cats.  To be honest, sometimes--most of the time--I go by 
what feels right at that time on that day etc.  And it can't hurt but I watch 
her weight (by feel not by scales) to make sure she isn't getting too many 
calories.  The way she burns them up running from window to window I 
have had no problem but I am aware of the extra calories involved.






   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis

Re: goodbye....now stomatitis

A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine ( I am using it, have been for 
quite a few months) but they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow?

MaryLyn, I think you did?

What is the protocal?

As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that you get for horses, highly 
concentrated.

It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing w/ the numbers that Kelly  I 
and some others on this list are dealing with.

It's just a matter of a few grains being sprinkled onto the food.

Another multi cat household that I know puts it into a saltshaker and shakes it 
out  voila!  Breakfast is served...!

My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage is a few grains also.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:13 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis



  As I said Marylyn, her condition is much improved, her upper gums are still 
red, but not as inflamed and
  utterly raw as they had been. Her lower gums now look completely normal. Her 
breath is now odorless. 
  When we first got her it was really awful.

  She's been on FortiFlora which my vet was convinced would help. (I guess it 
is the digestive tract that
  really impacts the mouth)
  Maitake-DMG liquid (vet's recommendation)
  Transfer Factor (this group's recommendation)
  l-lycine (this group's recommendation)

  spring water
  raw diet (she will not eat anything except Fancy Feast grilled turkey) I've 
been mixing bits of raw
  into the wet food ...also I have been mixing Archetype into Fancy Feast dry 
and she has eaten it.

  she was on Panacur for the giardia.
  My vet ordered IR, but is holding off because she has made good progress 
without it.
  Her glands had been very swollen. One gland in particular seemed to be the 
size of a ping pong
  ball and when Caroline posted about Monkee's tumor, I thought for sure that 
was it. I made an
  appointment with my vet (who is on vacation) and just two days ago, it 
disappeared. All her
  glands are completely normal. The ping pong ball is gone. My husband has 
checked her over very
  thoroughly and he cannot find it either.

  So ...I do not know what did what...but she is so much better.
  I have been reading the Archives here and I realize that a young cat (a year 
old) who is as symptomatic
  as MeMe has been does not have great odds. I am relieved that she seems so 
content and comfortable.
  I am hoping that since her life is so improved, she'll want to stick around.

  Marylyn thanks for the: Brush Away from Petzlife as well as Just Born with 
colostrum. I will try both of them.

  Jane

Re: Immunity to FeLV?

2007-07-01 Thread glenda Goodman

Hi folks, 
I'm new to this site and do need to get some
information on feline leukemia. This is in regard to a
16-week old kitten that apparently became infected
through her mother. My kitten has tested FeLV+ and
another sibling has as well, also the mother. My vet
told me the other day she believes in testing every
60- days in hopes the kitten might be able to
eventually fight the virus off and test negative. Does
anyone have any information for me on this subject? I
am in the western section of Nebraska...Thank you,
Glenda Larsen
--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was a long time ago so maybe the disease wasn't
 as strong then, who knows. Stripes died in 1989 and
 Squeaky in 1996
 My vet was so laid back about it ~ I think that
 helped. Stripes on and off illness was frustrating
 but you'd never have know Squeak had anything. The
 vet did say Squeaky's must have been in his blood
 marrow and called him a carrier.
 L
   - Original Message - 
   From: Susan Dubose 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:16 PM
   Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?
 
 
   Wow, that's impressive!
   Long, happy lives, it sounds like.
 
   You must have / are doing something right.
 
   Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
   www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
   www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
   www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
  Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
  Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
   
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: laurieskatz 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?
 
 
 I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived
 together since the younger one had been adopted as a
 kitten.  Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we
 had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them
 each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days after
 his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes
 lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky
 didn't have a sick day in his life until his last 3
 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on
 and off but was mostly healthy.
 
 and now we have Isabella
 Laurie
 



   

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Re: OT: Re: mouth and diabetes -Dede - (was goodbye.)

OK, this is NOT about FELV, so I will respond to
Gloria privately.

Dede



--- Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nope - I've a little exp with diabetic, but not
 must.  For the mouth 
 - one got a dex shot (19 yr old siamese) as depo can
 be hard on the 
 kidneys.  I'm going to find my colostrum or
 lactoferrin and try 
 that.  The other mouth one had a depo shot, but
 not as effective as 
 last time.  Giving him vitamins.
 
 The diabetic - vet prescribed Lantus.  And Science
 Diet W/D.  Seems 
 better after just a weekend of W/D.  I won't start
 the Lantus till 
 Monday, when the vet office is open (just in case). 
 Am somewhat 
 concerned about it hmmm.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 At 05:21 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:
 What is going on here?   I didn't even know there
 were
 2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.
 
 I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an
 awful
 lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.
 
 Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth
 thing...have a
 diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with
 a
 list for that.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself
 back on
   here before I have to
   come up there with a big can of you know
 what!..
  
   elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
   alexsis, tori,
   shaktit,othello...
  
  
   On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has
 been a
   wonderful member
for quite a while, and a wealth of good
   information.  We've had a
great group for so long.  There are many times
   that we need to be
gentle with each other.  Need to remember that
 all
   we see here are
typed messages, and there's lots more going on
   with each one than
that. But I'm glad you're here and think
 things
   will settle down.
   
Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
   (mouth), Toby (mouth),
Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever)
 -
   none are FELV however.
   
Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
   
Gloria
   
   
   
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane
 Lyons
To:
  

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a
 new
   person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
   lifeline for my Felv
positive cat.

I use two vets, one of them well known
   nationally, and neither of
them have the
knowledge and experience that you guys
   (collectively) have of Feline
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for
   people like myself, who
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the
   frontline, not
theory nor statistics.

My little cat, who came from an over burdened
   colony situation,
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much
   better and it is
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so
   grateful to be able to
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with
 people
   who really loved
their cats, and who would
(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same
   information over and over
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and
 dysfunction,
   but if the bottom
line is helping cats,
your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
   suffering from giardia,
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny
 nose,
   diarrhea and very
poor appetite.

I am happy to report we now have formed
 stools,
   no swollen glands,
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
   stomatitis seems to be
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red,
 but
   not as inflamed as
it had been. For the first
time in her little life she seems comfortable
 and
   very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are
 very
   grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)
   
   
   
  
 
 
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 you are only in 
 the service of your God
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Re: goodbye....now stomatitis

I give 250 mg twice a day ~ I crush 500 mg tablets and sprinkle on canned food. 
Viralys is already powder form and flavored. My cats like it. the other 
L-lysine (human) is unflavored. There is a scoop in the Viralys but it's the 
same dose. If my cats are symptomatic I increase to 500mg twice a day.
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:11 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis

  A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine ( I am using it, have been for 
quite a few months) but they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow?

  MaryLyn, I think you did?

  What is the protocal?

  As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that you get for horses, highly 
concentrated.

  It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing w/ the numbers that Kelly  
I and some others on this list are dealing with.

  It's just a matter of a few grains being sprinkled onto the food.

  Another multi cat household that I know puts it into a saltshaker and shakes 
it out  voila!  Breakfast is served...!

  My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage is a few grains also.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent

- Original Message - 
From: Jane Lyons 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis

As I said Marylyn, her condition is much improved, her upper gums are still 
red, but not as inflamed and
utterly raw as they had been. Her lower gums now look completely normal. 
Her breath is now odorless. 
When we first got her it was really awful.

She's been on FortiFlora which my vet was convinced would help. (I guess it 
is the digestive tract that
really impacts the mouth)
Maitake-DMG liquid (vet's recommendation)
Transfer Factor (this group's recommendation)
l-lycine (this group's recommendation)

spring water
raw diet (she will not eat anything except Fancy Feast grilled turkey) I've 
been mixing bits of raw
into the wet food ...also I have been mixing Archetype into Fancy Feast dry 
and she has eaten it.

she was on Panacur for the giardia.
My vet ordered IR, but is holding off because she has made good progress 
without it.
Her glands had been very swollen. One gland in particular seemed to be the 
size of a ping pong
ball and when Caroline posted about Monkee's tumor, I thought for sure that 
was it. I made an
appointment with my vet (who is on vacation) and just two days ago, it 
disappeared. All her
glands are completely normal. The ping pong ball is gone. My husband has 
checked her over very
thoroughly and he cannot find it either.

So ...I do not know what did what...but she is so much better.
I have been reading the Archives here and I realize that a young cat (a 
year old) who is as symptomatic
as MeMe has been does not have great odds. I am relieved that she seems so 
content and comfortable.
I am hoping that since her life is so improved, she'll want to stick around.

Marylyn thanks for the: Brush Away from Petzlife as well as Just Born with 
colostrum. I will try both of them.

Jane

Re: OT: Re: mouth and diabetes -Dede - (was goodbye.)

If it's something that could be helpful to the others, respond via 
the list - just put the OT in the Subject.


Gloria

At 07:20 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:

OK, this is NOT about FELV, so I will respond to
Gloria privately.

Dede



--- Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nope - I've a little exp with diabetic, but not
 must.  For the mouth
 - one got a dex shot (19 yr old siamese) as depo can
 be hard on the
 kidneys.  I'm going to find my colostrum or
 lactoferrin and try
 that.  The other mouth one had a depo shot, but
 not as effective as
 last time.  Giving him vitamins.

 The diabetic - vet prescribed Lantus.  And Science
 Diet W/D.  Seems
 better after just a weekend of W/D.  I won't start
 the Lantus till
 Monday, when the vet office is open (just in case).
 Am somewhat
 concerned about it hmmm.

 Gloria


 At 05:21 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:
 What is going on here?   I didn't even know there
 were
 2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.
 
 I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an
 awful
 lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.
 
 Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth
 thing...have a
 diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with
 a
 list for that.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself
 back on
   here before I have to
   come up there with a big can of you know
 what!..
  
   elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
   alexsis, tori,
   shaktit,othello...
  
  
   On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has
 been a
   wonderful member
for quite a while, and a wealth of good
   information.  We've had a
great group for so long.  There are many times
   that we need to be
gentle with each other.  Need to remember that
 all
   we see here are
typed messages, and there's lots more going on
   with each one than
that. But I'm glad you're here and think
 things
   will settle down.
   
Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
   (mouth), Toby (mouth),
Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever)
 -
   none are FELV however.
   
Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
   
Gloria
   
   
   
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane
 Lyons
To:
  

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a
 new
   person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
   lifeline for my Felv
positive cat.

I use two vets, one of them well known
   nationally, and neither of
them have the
knowledge and experience that you guys
   (collectively) have of Feline
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for
   people like myself, who
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the
   frontline, not
theory nor statistics.

My little cat, who came from an over burdened
   colony situation,
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much
   better and it is
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so
   grateful to be able to
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with
 people
   who really loved
their cats, and who would
(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same
   information over and over
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and
 dysfunction,
   but if the bottom
line is helping cats,
your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
   suffering from giardia,
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny
 nose,
   diarrhea and very
poor appetite.

I am happy to report we now have formed
 stools,
   no swollen glands,
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
   stomatitis seems to be
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red,
 but
   not as inflamed as
it had been. For the first
time in her little life she seems comfortable
 and
   very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are
 very
   grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)
   
   
   
  
 
 
 When you are in the service of your fellow beings,
 you are only in
 the service of your God
 Mosiah 2:17
 
 
 

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Re: Pictures and a question

2007-07-01 Thread Sally Davis


Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as a precaution with Baytril.
The anemia did improve, but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit
was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure how long I would have
put him through it. I was and to certain extent am clueless.

My vet at that time was saying the with the fevers most likely being from
the FELV it might be time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him back
to the old vet and told him I wanted to do the IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good
natured fellow who thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She has
been very caring and did the IR protocol and we treated what came along.
Junior is still with me 10 months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde
of this group.

sally


On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with the
addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I have
to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message -
*From:* catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:28 PM
*Subject:* Re: Pictures and a question


 My positive was positive when she was dumped at the vet's office close to
a year old.  I think it was 1999, could have been 2000.
t

*Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

Tonya

I am grateful that Junior is still with me. It will be a year in guessing
a bit, but I would say September which was when he was treated for the
anemia. I had to give Junior his Metacam today. I could tell he was not
feeling well. Flinching when I petted him as if he was in pain. Time to go
back to the vet to see what our options are.

I am wondering who has cats over a year from their dx of FeLV.

Sally


On 7/1/07, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sally,

 I'm sorry for what you are all going through.  Soft headbutts for
 Junior.
 tonya

 *Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 Hi all

 The past two weeks have been very hectic. I am dealing with my fiance's
 illness and hospital doctor visits. Human medicine can be quite frustrating
 dealing with insurance companies and doctors that are booked months in
 advance.

 Junior has been doing fairly well. He is stable at least, I am happy for
 that. I always want him normal, but his ears with their hemaetomas, and the
 eye with glaucoma tell me a different story. Plus his lymph nodes behind his
 ears stay a bit swollen. He get several supplements and salmon oil which I
 am hoping will eleminate his need for the matacam. I will know in a day or
 two, because he is now out of metacam, He really needs to have his eye
 removed, but I don't know about rocking his boat with the stress of surgery.
 Anyone have experience with this issue?

 I am so sorry to hear about all the recent losses. It is a reminder that
 the time with our precious babies is fleeting and a gift.

 The link below is a bulletin board Eric set up for me. He is upset
 because I have not shared it yet with anyone. Feel free to visit and post
 pictures of cats or flowers.  General discussion and funny stories are
 welcome as well.

 Have a great day!

 Sally

 --
 Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty,
 Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures
 post your as well.


 http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3





--
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty,
Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures
post your as well.

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3






--
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post
your as well.

http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: Ki is an Angel

I can't remember if I wrote to thank you for your
comments.  You are right, of course, and we difinately
loved him.

Thanks,
Dede



--- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you gave him exactly what he needed to be able to go
 on to the next stage of
 his journey. if you believe there's a plan, you have
 to know that all
 happens as it is meant to--even when our hearts feel
 broken by the
 fulfillment.
 
 love one another. for ki, you made that real. that's
 all that really
 matters.
 
 GLOW to guide his way home, and to heal your hearts.
 
 MC
 
 On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
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 beings, you are only in the
  service of your God
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Re: Anemia Issues

Hi Caroline,
   
  It sounds like you're doing everything you can.  I'm sure by now someone has 
mentioned taking doxy in case it's hemobartonella.  If it's not hemobart the 
anemia is hard to beat, but there are people on the list who have bought 'good' 
time for their cats with various methods.  13 pounds is a good weight, and his 
behavior sounds good too.  I hope the best for Monkee.
  tonya

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and 
lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the 
Epogen had helped his anemia.  The news was very bad.  Apparently last week, 
when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week ( 3 
doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%.  However, Monkees 
White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte 
count is normal.  Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is 
enlarged (but it cant be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in 
the leg).  His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could 
be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it 
was the cancer.  She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to 
determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and 
Monkee would need sedation- which he couldnt get anyway while
 so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the 
biospy);  However, the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us its 
FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time 
with him; (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being 
caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and 
that was a shot in the dark. 
  My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although he 
did very well with the first round).  But now that he is actively anemic, there 
was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didnt think 
the chemo would actually help the situation.  We also didnt want to put him 
through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already know, 
but dont want to admitthat for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest, 
toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary tract 
infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for 
FeLV because I was sure he didnt have it.To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 
2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat 
with lymphosarcoma.  
  Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and I were not prepared to hear 
at all.  I mean, he is eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick (he 
was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is helping him now).  Yes, hes 
not Monkee as I have known him, but he just doesnt look to me like hes on 
his last leg.  When we questioned her on the days prognosis she explained 
that due to the FeLV virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his 
brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he seems okay now, he is dizzy, 
lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of that will continue to get 
worse because his body is not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the 
blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and making it to the litter box will 
all drop off.  
  We asked what could be done and she said, if you are not ready yet, she 
recommended the blood transfusion, which will give him about two weeks, and 
then the benefits of the transferred blood will wear off and he will start 
suffering the anemia symptoms again because his body is not producing its own 
RBC.  She also said that morally, with FeLV cats, she will do 2 blood 
transfusions, and then that is it.  It is fighting a losing battle and that is 
as far as she will take it.
  I was wrecked and my mother was crying too.  I decided to pull myself 
together and still take Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after we 
left Dr. Daleys.  It was our first visit and I thought, I am so desperate 
right now, it cant hurt.  A funny story about this visit: Monkee totally 
perked up as soon as we left Dr. Daleys (he hates it there!).  Dr. Maier has a 
few black and white clinic cats that roam around and as soon as we walked in, 
Monkee, in his carrier, freaked out (he hates other catswhich is probably why 
he ended up with FeLV to begin with!).  I was carrying his carrier on my 
shoulder to an exam room and I instantly felt the carrier get completely light- 
there was no longer 13 lbs of weight on my shoulder!  I didnt understand what 
happened, but I turned around and all I saw was black and white x 3 (Monkee is 
black and white), and I just grabbed the first black and white form that was 
closest to me, and thank god, it was Monkee!  He had opened
 the front flap of his pet

Re: goodbye....now stomatitis

Thanks!

That's the dosage I have heard to use.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:28 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis


  I give 250 mg twice a day ~ I crush 500 mg tablets and sprinkle on canned 
food. Viralys is already powder form and flavored. My cats like it. the other 
L-lysine (human) is unflavored. There is a scoop in the Viralys but it's the 
same dose. If my cats are symptomatic I increase to 500mg twice a day.
  Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis


A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine ( I am using it, have been 
for quite a few months) but they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow?

MaryLyn, I think you did?

What is the protocal?

As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that you get for horses, highly 
concentrated.

It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing w/ the numbers that Kelly 
 I and some others on this list are dealing with.

It's just a matter of a few grains being sprinkled onto the food.

Another multi cat household that I know puts it into a saltshaker and 
shakes it out  voila!  Breakfast is served...!

My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage is a few grains also.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Pictures and a question

Good for you, Sally, for following your instincts when it comes to your baby's 
care

Lucky boy he is


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:06 PM
  Subject: Re: Pictures and a question


  Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as a precaution with Baytril. 
The anemia did improve, but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit 
was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure how long I would have put 
him through it. I was and to certain extent am clueless. 

  My vet at that time was saying the with the fevers most likely being from the 
FELV it might be time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him back to the 
old vet and told him I wanted to do the IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good natured 
fellow who thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She has been very 
caring and did the IR protocol and we treated what came along. Junior is still 
with me 10 months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde of this group.  

  sally

   
  On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with the 
addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I have to 
wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops

Re: Pictures and a question

Hello Sally, did the Baytril improve the anemia? I am trying to figure it 
out...does this mean there was an infection that the baytril effectively 
treated and the infection caused the anemia? Were there other symptoms?

Did IR take care of the fevers?

We are dealing with fever, anemia and low white blood count...my vet and I are 
going to talk tomorrow about what to do to treat the anemia. 
I was thinking of having Isabella tested for hemobart rather than just treating 
for it. He wanted to just treat with doxy but we used this for a kitten earlier 
this spring and I'd rather not use it unless we know she has hemobart. My vet 
is not supportive of using IR. His research shows nothing works for feline 
leukemiabut I believe he will support what we want to do (just doesn't want 
false hopes on my part ~ we've been through several mystery illnesses together).

Thanks for any info,
Laurie

 
- Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM
  Subject: Re: Pictures and a question


  Good for you, Sally, for following your instincts when it comes to your 
baby's care

  Lucky boy he is


  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Sally Davis 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Pictures and a question


Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as a precaution with Baytril. 
The anemia did improve, but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit 
was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure how long I would have put 
him through it. I was and to certain extent am clueless. 

My vet at that time was saying the with the fevers most likely being from 
the FELV it might be time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him back to 
the old vet and told him I wanted to do the IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good 
natured fellow who thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She has been 
very caring and did the IR protocol and we treated what came along. Junior is 
still with me 10 months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde of this 
group.  

sally

 
On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with the 
addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I have to 
wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops

Re: Pictures and a question ~ marylyn