Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
I’m not real active in this group, but did noticed the neck scratching-my Buddy had that until I took him off foods with grain-?? Don‘t know (?), but finding diet w/o grains beneficial so I thought I’d peek in for a second and offer my 2cents👍 -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Sandra Wachtstetter > wrote: > > > Just a bit of info I found on the fipcaregroup.com site that might b helpful > for everyone - the recommendation is for using Moducare and NOT Lysine > Just thought I'd pass this on > Sandy W >> On November 14, 2019 at 4:52 PM Patricia Oliveira >> wrote: >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. >> >> Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens >> and this one tested positive for felv. >> >> I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic >> kittens. Do you have any suggestions? >> >> He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is >> increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury >> but is already much better. >> >> Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), >> everything else normal. >> >> We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? >> >> Thank you very much! >> >> >> Patrícia >> Santos/SP/Brazil >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite
Right lol - I'd forgotten that Clavamox is the same stuff (or similar?) to Augmentin, just that it's the veterinary form. -Original Message- From: Margo Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite I'll weigh in with soap and water, betadine flush, topical antibiotic and Augmentin (tho it's usually the Clavamox form I have around) or Cephalexin. Margo -Original Message- From: "Gloria B. Lane" Sent: Dec 14, 2013 11:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite Just had to add my 2 cents. Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's always worked well for me. I usually clean the bite with cold water and hydrogen peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, I head for the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One tried to give me something else, I forget what, but it irritated my sensitive tummy and I went back for Augmentin. Fortunately haven't had a bite in a long time :) Glad yours is doing well. Gloria On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote: Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over the years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv antibiotics. Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth (Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them. If that bacteria gets into your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis. He was the only cat I had who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing. Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to eroom as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing sepsis. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite Hi everyone, During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm. despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-) Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite can be seen here: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/ 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b It seems much more superficial and "scratchy" rather than being a deep puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches above my elbow. We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night, unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently inusrance-less, as luck would have it). Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should I be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 3:45. Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: >> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet >> Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. >> Antibiotic seems to not b ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Good to know about the oil, too! Thx! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and > it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore > disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never > had a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two > now. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam > Doore > Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I > amVERY pleased with quick response. > > On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" wrote: > Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes > virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! > > -g 🇺🇸 > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share > > of side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > > drawbacks. > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >> wrote: > >> > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) > >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 > >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 > >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and > >> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. > >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not > >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. > >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. > >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. > >> Antibiotic seems to not b > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Topic was l-lysine FYI 🤓 I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their autoship you can save more $$on selected products. They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more $$ to continue caring for their companions. I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in answer to my prayers for him. So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking for the best cost-saving products. :) Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore wrote: > > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two > of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, > all from Chewy :-). > >> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, wrote: >> Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. >> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller. >> >> Amani Oakley wrote: >> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some >> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually >> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, >> > as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - >> > having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of >> > any kind. >> > >> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin >> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore >> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on >> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it >> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found >> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, >> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a >> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many >> > many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which >> > found its effectiveness against herpes viruses. >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> > Amy Glunt >> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine >> > >> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, >> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a >> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to >> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, >> > and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! >> > And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical >> > marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the >> > pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and >> > unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I >> > could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out >> > hope. >> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. >> > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared >> > knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. >> > >> > Amy >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You >> > > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive >> > > effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the >> > > research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was >> > > fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after >> > > the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing >> > > prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of >> > > this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in >> > > the U
[Felvtalk] Preventing Stress
I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can! I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress of vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of question. I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized cat's we have. My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other cats through plexiglas window in the door we made. He gets at least two hours of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law. I pray a lot! :) (I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside only" cats.) -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank wrote: > > Marilyn, > > I am so sorry for your loss. I know how difficult it must be. > > I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the > Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done via > a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate. I have read that > there are false positives with the Elisa test. My cat tested positive with > Elisa but negative with the IFA test. I know I should probably take her back > and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 months) but she is doing > well and she gets really stressed by trips to the vet. > >> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy wrote: >> >> I'm so sorry Marilyn . Destiny sounds like a sweet and >> wonderful kitty cat. You certainly are s great guardian for your furry >> felines. >> Sandy W >> >> From: "Ardy Robertson" >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny >> >> Oh Marilyn, >> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy she >> didn't have to suffer more. >> >> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had >> the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet >> owner do! (I hate FeLV!!) >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Amani Oakley >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny >> >> Marilyn >> >> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to >> have you caring so much for her. >> >> Amani >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Marilyn Knapp Litt >> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny >> >> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I helped >> her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis. The >> vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative. On >> this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was >> able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would >> come roaring back. Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut. The best >> thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring. >> >> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge >> or treatment. She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and >> boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny >> enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned >> out to be a tumor. Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of >> this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice. >> >> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty >> tonight. Destiny was a peacemaker. I never saw her hiss once, but I saw >> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they >> finally were won over. The world needs more people like my special cat . . >> . >> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt >> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: >> > Has anyone used these for FeLV? >> > >> > >> > >> > My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to >> > find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was >> > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out >> > the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her >> comfortable. >> > She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it >> > is effective. >> > >> > >> > >> > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. >> > >> > >> > >> > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find >> > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion >> > about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We >> > thought we
Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
Marilyn, This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a huge hole in your heart. She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so sorry and sad for you! Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Marilyn > > I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to > have you caring so much for her. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Marilyn Knapp Litt > Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny > > Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I helped > her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis. The > vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative. On > this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was > able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would > come roaring back. Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut. The best > thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring. > > From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge > or treatment. She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and boosters. > Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good > health until very recently when her respitory infection turned out to be a > tumor. Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of this > community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice. > > Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty tonight. > Destiny was a peacemaker. I never saw her hiss once, but I saw her sit as > close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they finally were won > over. The world needs more people like my special cat . . . > > Marilyn Knapp Litt > > Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: >> Has anyone used these for FeLV? >> >> >> >> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to >> find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was >> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out >> the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her >> comfortable. >> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it >> is effective. >> >> >> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. >> >> >> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion >> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We >> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the >> last 24 hours. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt >> >> >> > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me - it's not just spreading the FeLV to others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats. I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as a drum-especially when he wants attention! I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :) That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have inside! •Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a variety of brands- and fresh water •Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by law •Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on retirement funds •Pray: a lot Will be praying for Robert too! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium > wrote: > > I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone > have their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar out > only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I have a > FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs > and cause more harm. My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him > indoor.I don't think he can be near the FIV cat. Thanks for any info > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. > > Hi Sheila... > Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) > that is a lot of cats to look after > and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them fosters??? > > Bob > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Checking in. (Pam Doore) >> 2. Re: Checking in. (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Immune system plays a huge part-usually mature cats have a vibrant immune system, it’s the very young or older cats that would be more at risk, IMO. Also, the FeLV cat’s immune system is compromised, I believe, so contact with other cats would be something to consider for the health of the FeLV diagnosed cat. I have a cat diagnosed in 2010, that I strongly feel beat the virus-(answer to Prayer) he was older when I found him, the vet guessing him to be around 1 year old. We keep him in our guest room with a modified door so he “participates” in the hall/house activities and the room is ventilated. I will not take him to the vet unless he becomes ill-keeping the STRESS down so no testing! My practice is to wash my hands with alcohol and or soap for 20 seconds before & after I’m in his room. I keep his dishes sterile, no shared food or water or containers- but that’s about it. Now- this is my practice and everyone needs to follow his/her own inner voice on this matter- just sharing - not pushing an agenda. lol Gloria, furmommy to Buddy Luv -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, > despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would > decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event > though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly > pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even > though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I > have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially > with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch The disease. > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the > symptoms of upper respiratory infections? > > I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and > water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? > Sandy > gcm...@comcast.net > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Compounding pharmacy link-don’t have to join website to read info: https://www.pharmacist.com/frequently-asked-questions-about-pharmaceutical-compounding A compound pharmacy will prepare prescription in the dose&form that your vet (or doctor) prescribes —- whereas a regular pharmacy only gives you meds that are already prepared by a pharmaceutical company -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:05 AM, Sandy Millard wrote: > > Thank you. What do you mean "a compound pharmacy"? > After reading as much as possible, all I can do is keep Sonny comfortable and > make sure he eats good food. > I dread what is to come. > > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Application > > -Original Message- > > From: gloriajh...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: gcm...@comcast.net > Sent: 2018-10-17 3:37:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > > I would get an antibiotic to help their compromised immune system and suggest > a compound pharmacy to provide a liquid form- I’m no vet, and do not have > medical training , so, take this as a layman talking-I currently have 15 cats > in our home-strictly inside only-so take this as only a layperson > sharing—imho- you need a stronger solution as you evaluate the risks. > So sorry you’re struggling with this, it’s hard, I know!❤️❤️ > Gloria > > -g 🇺🇸 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Sandy Millard wrote: >> >> I adopted 2 male cats with fiv. Can anyone give me info to help minimize the >> symptoms of upper respiratory infections? >> >> I am using homeopathic nasal, cough, and immune support in their food and >> water. Is there a product that will boost what i am already using? >> Sandy >> gcm...@comcast.net >> >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Amani- FYI Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.😁❤️ Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sandy > > I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this > chatline. > > I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: > > I would like to share what I think is very important information with others > who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. > > > "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by > other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a > few times today in response to a few of the posts. > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died > from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When > the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with > leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and > I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to > any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in > the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb > very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't > believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods > in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, > gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our > unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting > better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called > back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us > there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my > surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" > and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible > liver damage associated wit > h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was > dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a > potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on > a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down > to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored > our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if > I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with > a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the > Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. > > The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him > to eat when he was so very sick. > > I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and > when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day > for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and > Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. > > I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a > science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory > medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using > this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other > situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that > it has come through more often than not. > > I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and > medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in > circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other > options and their kitten or cat will die. > > I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of > veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the > association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific > community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising > drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean > really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver > disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those > circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I > think t
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent
Amani-I thought that the meds you talked about might be beneficial for both since both are viruses-👍thanks! note: keeping the previous emails attached for context-hope this is okay😁 Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV. > > It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a > feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took > mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med > combination. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Gloria > Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent > > Amani- > FYI > Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.😁❤️ > Gloria > > > -g 🇺🇸 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> Hi Sandy >> >> I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this >> chatline. >> >> I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: >> >> I would like to share what I think is very important information with others >> who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. >> >> >> "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by >> other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a >> few times today in response to a few of the posts. >> >> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died >> from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When >> the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with >> leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and >> I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers >> to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I >> had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. >> >> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we >> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After >> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to >> climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets >> couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of >> the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of >> his ears, ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hyper thyroid in cats
Thursday, April 18, 2019 Arizona, USA Hi, This seems to be an epidemic-my second cat (Phoebe -13 yrs old) is just beginning to get high levels-with no other signs - like vomiting. Our new vet (just moved to AZ) was going to start her with a higher dose (.5) than my first one, KiKi- (.25) KiKi had extreme over-the-top levels -he was 14 when diagnosed and the previous vet prescribed the .25 dose 2x’s a day of Methimazoli I’m using a COMPOUND PHARMACY-in a liquid - using a syringe by mouth. Easy peezy ! I was concerned about the larger dose with a cat that was otherwise symptomless so I called the Vet & left a message- and explained my thoughts and asked if he wouldn’t reconsider a lower dose. He called back almost immediately and said he was glad I called-he had just been talking to some internists about Phoebe and they said they have NEW PROTOCOLS for dosing— they are now waiting for numbers to be more out of line before medicating. So no meds for Phoebe yet!, will recheck blood work in 3-4 months. I wrote all of that just to say-ask you vet more questions-if you aren’t using a compound pharmacy -try to find one-most will ship meds. I will _not_ use the other method simply because of the stress the older cat must endure - I think stress is more harmful than the “cure” is helpful. So, you must endure my my 2 cents❤️😁 Gloria-furmommy to 15 cats, most feralborn -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2019, at 12:12 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net" > wrote: > > Hello everyoone, > I have a 12 year old former feral who was diagnosed with hyper thyroid > yesterday. Herm level is 4.7 and she is one meds, 2.5mg of Felimazole > morning and evening. I had one cat about 10 years ago that we did > radioactive iodine. the isolation was very hard on her and she went downhill > after she got home, bleeeding from nose, etc. don't really want to repeat > that. Homey is especially bonded with me and has been my caregiver since my > heart surgery. she has alerted me to one time of gasping for air in the > night and 3 instances of low sugar. she sleeps plastered to my chest and > when she is on my lap, holds on to me I am very attached to her and do not > want to loose her so am hoping meds work. > my question is: does anyone know of alternative or better ways of treating > this? > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Sam is FOUND!
I've got Sam here at my house.. he's not going anywhere unless it's a REALLY good foster home, indoor only of course. Right now he's snoozing! I kept thinking about a kid's book, or documentary film, called Sam's Adventure, or Finding Sam, or something! On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Nina wrote: Hmm... That makes me wonder... I'm sure you told this nice, cat friendly, (but, cat-less at the moment), woman, Sam's story, right? Did this woman seem like a suitable adopter except for the fact that she's living with her Aunt? Is the Aunt a cat-eater, or anything? If it looked like a good match, I might have pressed the "well, you did find each other, maybe there's a reason, angle"! Where is Sam going now? Back to the same foster parent? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: She'd been putting out food and milk, trying to attract his attention and feed him. She's a cat-friendly person, but doesn't have cats where she lives now (with her Aunt). Then the kids who came around had kittens - brought them down for us to see, and we put one in a carrier under the house. Sam was REAL interested but not ready at that point. Gloria At 12:32 AM 6/5/2005, you wrote: Fantastic! Hooray! How is he? Has the woman who called been feeding him? Oh Gloria, I'm so thrilled and relieved. Well done! Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam some Fancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time, Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. >Lane > >Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service > > > > > >Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special > >needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family > >we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. > > > >The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't > >been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out > >flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. > > > >Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I > >know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. > > > >Thanks - > > > >Gloria > > > >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are > >addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the > >system manager. This message contains confidential information and is > >intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named > >addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sam is FOUND!
Thanks, Joan - I was amazed. Friday I was discouraged, Saturday he turned up. Even Saturday evening we were planning on coming back Sunday morning. It was ... amazing. Gloria On Jun 6, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Doljan, Joan wrote: Gloria, I am so glad. I kept waiting for this email from you for it seem years! Take care, Joan -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Sam is FOUND! Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam some Fancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time, Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: HELP
with neurological problems, I'd definitely wonder about the flea stuff and talk to the vet about it. Good luck - Gloria On Jun 6, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Barbara Lowe wrote: ...did you tell the vet you gave the flea stuff? so sorry this is happening. regards Barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: HELP Hi Guys You may recall Bramble (FIV+) went Ataxic on Tuesday and then recovered - he started Omega Interferon on Thursday - and is on 2.5mg daily of Fortekor for a heart murmer. Waiting to hear results still for calicivirus, herpesvirus and FeLV. I was on the phone to the emergency vet last night when I panicked as Bramble was showing symptoms I haven't seen before. They said settle him down and see what he is like in the morning. I did and he settled although he didn;t move again until this morning. I woke up when I heard him scratching frantically on the floor - only it wasn't a scratch it was more like a scared confused going mad scratching so I think he may actually have been having a seizure with all four legs paddling away as he looked confused afterwards. He staggered off into the corner and I put the lamp on - then for about 5 mins he looked in pain and didn't want me to touch him - he was moving his head very slowly then stretching his body out abnormally slowly - his tail in the air then his backside in the air - then he pushed out his back leg and then tried crawling with his front paws on his belly - it was all very very slow and not like normal stretching. This morning he didn't wobble and I gave him his intereron jab as normal - he ate a good breakfast too. Today he is quiet and hasn't moved from the sofa where I put him about 5 hours ago apart from getting up to turn around. He seems a little uncomfy at times about being stroked on the back of his head - has managed to go to sleep. He seems a little mentally disengaged at times and I guess he is in some discomfort all though he hides it well so I don't know exactly if he is or not. He definitely was during last nights episode. He also does seem to have lost more muscle mass too. Has anyone experienced anything like this or have any idea what might be going on - I really don't know what is the right thing to do on this one. The vet said watch him if he has seizures or pain that doesn't stop after 30mins to get him back. Does interferon have any side effects like this??? Also the vet said if he loses use of his back legs and they go cold and stiff and he starts crying then that indicates a blood clot so not to wait around on that - anything is possible. I'm trying so hard to give him the best care possible but I don't know is it right to keep fighting with him or is it fairer to put him to rest - when do you know with these viruses when it is the right time to euthanase your furry friend. I also put stronghold flea drops on him yesterday but I can't see that causing anything like this. Michelle L PS - I am delighted that Sam is found - such a good result.
Re: Sam is FOUND!
Hey - I was doing meditations also, like you wrote me about. That fellow Sam sure gave us a scare... and some exercise. It took him a few hours to sidle up to his old pal Blue, once he got to my house, but now they're buddies again. He's a little skittish - when strangers come in or whatever it's back to hiding under the couch. Sam is sitting in my living room window! If a good forever home is interested, we'll see. Otherwise, he's staying here! Thank you so much, to everybody, for your help, prayers, support and caring! Gloria On Jun 6, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Gloria! What a great news! I was doing meditations for Sam all weekend, dozens and dozens of times - hoping that he and you will be reunited - and someone I had a feeling that I would see your email saying that Sam is found!!! I am going to let Dr. Ryan know that- she did tell me that it is so amazing how you will be reunited with animals so quickly with the meditation - I don't know how much credit the meditation should take - but it seems like it's right after we got the meditation - anyway, congratulations to your hard work and I am so haaapy for you and Sam. What is going to take care of Sam now? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sam is FOUND! We did!! Lots of Meows! At 09:11 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote: Wonderful news Gloria! Betcha you did the meow-meow yourself all the way home :) Del - Original Message ----- From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Gloria B. Lane To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: RE: Sam is FOUND! Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in the driveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam some Fancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time, Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WE GOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria -Original Message- From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mia.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose family we know. She became sick and I found a foster home. The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood. Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated. Thanks - Gloria
Re: thanking for the incredible support system
I agree, this is a great group - you're so right, some of the groups are very stringent, with hard-nosed moderators, and it's hard to say things and get answers. Thank you for being here! Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter – I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff) – I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs – but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean – if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the list – she only believes in certain treatment and she doesn’t let you argue about it otherwise – and she does not allow any OT subjects – I really liked everyone else on that list, but couldn’t stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list) – Anyway, thank you so very much for your support – don’t’ know what to do without you guys – I am glad that I found you!
Re: any info on this poor kitty
Wonder what she's feeding him and if he's eating ok? Right, I agree, vet is in order. Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I have a colleague who has a 12 year old boy kitty – recently he started going bathroom (both 1 & 2) all over the house other than litter box – his eyes also started twitching and lost some hair – she wanted to know what’s going on – I suggested to take him to a vet and do a blood work to eliminate any major organ related stuff – but she is in a very serious financial problem right now, and she said that she couldn’t afford to do so – I almost wanted to offer to pay for her vet bill (like I have an money left), but if you have any insights on this, I would really appreciate it – these symptoms are very hard ones to figure out as they could be caused any number of things (both emotional and medical), but any insight is appreciated. Thank you!
Re: any info on this poor kitty
I think there are several, but the list I'm on is sickcats at yahoogroups.com Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 8:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/9/2005 8:35:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many clinics have "help" funds too And there IS another group that helps, I believe I read about it on this list.. Maybe check archives. Patti
Re: Sebastian Update
What have you dont for Sebastion that's helped him, do you think? I'm SO GLAD that he's doing better. Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 9:21 PM, JENNIFER RATLIFF wrote: Sebastian has been doing alot better. His hind legs are getting a little stronger. I am still looking for a good vet that has alot of exprience dealing with +kitties. I have tried to pull up the list on the kitties website, but I can't for some reason. I live in West Virginia. Also, does anyone know of any vitamins or supplements that I should being giving Sebastian on a daily basis to help with his appetite and immune system. P.S I am praying for Bramble.
Re: any info on this poor kitty
Very insightful, you guys! Gloria On Jun 9, 2005, at 10:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here's the link Nina sent to me. ALL kinds of financial help for pets: http://www.magdrl-nj.com/links.html#finance I, too, am thinking blockage... not something anything should have to endure, REALLY horrible way to die, almost always fatal within days, if not hours, once they get 100% blocked. He needs to go to a vet. Very common problem in male cats these days, sadly. Sometimes they can use a catheter to open the blockage, but sometimes it requires surgery to correct permanently. Has she turned him over and really looked hard at his pee-pee? It may be an infection, if that's the case, he may look obviously reddened around his penile area. She can try gently massaging it a little with clean fingers, judge his reaction, most any cat will struggle and try to get away, but if he blows a gasket and freaks out and screams in pain, that's a likely sign he needs vet care for some kind of urinary problem. Also, see if she can lock him in a room with bare floors, and put down just a white sheet or towel for him to pee on. That way, she'll be able to see if there's any blood in his urine. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~ ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: sanctuaries: open to the public?
I've wondered where folks get the idea that they "donate" cats to our group also ... Gloria On Jun 10, 2005, at 12:24 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:... we were NOT asking people to donate their cats to us (tho people would call and say they wanted to do just that; funny, "cats" was NEVER on our donation-needs lists). anyone who had a legitimate reason to come to the sanctuary was given directions--the only restriction was that visits, including bringing a cat into sanctuary, had to be arranged in advance so that we could make sure someone would be there. and that other things weren't scheduled at the same time. my favorite times were when people would come with a cat, and leave with it. that happened often enough with FIV cats to let us know how vital accurate information and education are. rarely, people would even take their FeLVs home with them when they learned the facts about that virus, but nowhere near as often... -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)
sounds silly - but then I don't know about those particular drugs. Might do a yahoo or google search... And, there's an online vet you can get $10-15 online advice from. But I'd have to look her up - can't remember who! Gloria On Jun 10, 2005, at 1:00 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said something that worries me: "Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice from neurology if they will give it." Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon? I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't seem to be too informed because of funding issues. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~ ~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Re: Supplements - Grace
Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the "magazine" link. He has links for "products" and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: VO Interferon Omega - new info
Well, that's not what I've heard - have heard that IO is more of a match for the natural cat's interferon. Course you probably know that you can't always trust your vet 100% of the time, even if you generally like him/her. But - Tally was always a big supporter of IA and I've come to believe there's something to that. So I use IA. For a kitty that's already disk, IO may be more potent, but I could only guess, don't know. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Nina wrote: Hi Guys, I just heard something interesting, and a bit distressing, from my vet's office. I had called about Grace's condition and to ask if I could come in to pick up some Interferon A. Now, I didn't get to talk directly to the vet, but I was told that Interferon A and O will work exactly the same way, that the injectable isn't "stronger" than the oral. I knew the main reason for using it was the 'immunity' factor, but I also was under the misconception, (apparently), that it somehow worked better. If the only benefit derived from the VO is extended use, then it may not be feasible to use it, I know I can't afford extensive, long-term use of this product as things stand. If this is the case, why are we jumping through hoops and spending all this money on VO? I guess when push comes to shove, it will be good to have the VO on hand, if/when the A stops working, but I'm feeling a little duped here. I have to do some further investigation about this, I'm not sure it's really the case, but I wanted to put it out there. Nina
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
So what's the status of the two 17 yr old healthy cats? Gloria On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get. In Bronx, NY
Re: Vitamin C questions
Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the "magazine" link. He has links for "products" and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: > Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really > unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it > tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do > have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can > I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the > Drs' names? > Nina > > Gloria B. Lane wrote: > > >> I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of >> C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- >> initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done >> that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. >> >> Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it >> with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis >> (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. >> Something helped, he got better. >> >> Gloria >> >> >> At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: >> >> >>> What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? >>> N >>> >>> Gloria B. Lane wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some >>>> laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of >>>> supplements, sometimes. >>>> >>>> Gloria >>>> >>>> At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Gloria, >>>>> Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every >>>>> day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements >>>>> periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's >>>>> been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress >>>>> formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that >>>>> when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I >>>>> may start her on that. >>>>> Nina >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Re: Vitamin C questions
Right - the stuff from Dr. Belfield is powder. The Vit C that I order is Rainbow Light Vit C Powder, I've been ordering it from Betterlife.com, online. Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 8:42 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read that correctly? And its daily right? Thank you, kristi From: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:40:47 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the "magazine" link. He has links for "products" and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: FIP
Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will be exposed to already. It's just that most cats exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease? She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. > > Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked > with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much > aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, > or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet > first. > > Michelle > >
Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria
Yes, that's usually what I do - no problems that I can recall... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Del Daniels wrote: Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty having diarrhea? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: > I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a > starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual > can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? > > Del > - Original Message - > From: Gloria Lane > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace > > Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the "magazine" > link. He has links for "products" and that's where they are. > > Gloria > > > On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: > > > Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really > > unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it > > tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do > > have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can > > I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the > > Drs' names? > > Nina > > > > Gloria B. Lane wrote: > > > > > >> I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of > >> C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- > >> initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done > >> that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. > >> > >> Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it > >> with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis > >> (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. > >> Something helped, he got better. > >> > >> Gloria > >> > >> > >> At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: > >> > >> > >>> What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? > >>> N > >>> > >>> Gloria B. Lane wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some > >>>> laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of > >>>> supplements, sometimes. > >>>> > >>>> Gloria > >>>> > >>>> At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Gloria, > >>>>> Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every > >>>>> day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements > >>>>> periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's > >>>>> been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress > >>>>> formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that > >>>>> when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I > >>>>> may start her on that. > >>>>> Nina > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
Re: FIP - Good Explanation
Thanks - interesting article - note re developing FIP: genetic susceptibility, the presence of cats that are shedders, and cat-dense environments. "What are the factors that predispose a small percentage of cats with FECV to the development of FIP? Research is currently trying to find more answers to this question, but some facts are becoming clear. Dr. Janet Foley and Dr. Niels Pedersen of the University of California at Davis have identified three key risk factors: genetic susceptibility, the presence of chronic FECV shedders, and cat-dense environments that favour the spread of FECV." ... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 10:43 AM, Joan Doljan wrote: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/FIP.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from what i understand FIP is the body's response to the mutated corona virus. i think its the virus itself not the bodies genetics but the viruses. there are many corona viruses (kind of like breeds of cats) and every once in a while there is mutation (kind of like double paws). michelle really gets this one.. an I in the right track michelle? kristi ==== From: Gloria Lane Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats own genetic makeup, or something like that? Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote: > I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' > because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will > be exposed to already. It's just that most cats > exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. > > t > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? > How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it > pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another > infectious disease? > She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she > does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible > dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are > crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question > > > > I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. > > > > Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the > fever? It worked > > with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days > (too much > > aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that > small would get, > > or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to > the vet > > first. > > > > Michelle > > > > >
Re: gave torb last night-helped alot
I'm so glad! They can pop back when you least expect it! Best of luck, I know it's hard. Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 7:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i gave him torb 1mg last night (for some relief of his discomfort and mild sedation)and it defiantely helped with his jitteriness. she said i could do 2 mg if i wanted, but prepared me that it might in turn help him pass. that would have been ok, but here we are this morning and he just had a taste of some junk canned food, and his favrite food ever- purina one kitten soaked with a little warm water and topped with tuna flavored "cat dressing". don't ask how i found that recipe out as his favorite- you all understand how "we" are. Maybe tonight won't be the right time either- i'm not planning it anymore- i've learned my lesson, when he and i are ready we'll know and then it won't be such a tormenting descision to make. Anyway i'm debating on giving him more- he looks comfortable but i'll be gone for a long day of work (10-6)- what to do, what to do these times are always so tough. Thank you for bearing with me everyone he's only my 2nd leukemia to get this sick, the other if you remeber was Tai-Tai she had a PCV of less than 8 and was turning blue because she couldn't get enough oxygen- so that was a different type of descision-much easier- she was obviously suffering and in need of help to pass. Kristi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/14 Tue AM 08:10:53 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: yes-got injections I understand. What you are saying makes sense now. It is bad that he is not responding at all to the dex. I am really sorry. If you have not reached the vet, oral valium, if you have any in the house, can calm them in their last stages. I have given a whole human dose pill before, in the very end stages. I think it acts sort of like morphine-- calms and also makes the passing faster. As a warning, though, no vet has ever advised me to do this. I have done it on my own. Michelle In a message dated 6/13/05 9:59:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thanx michelle- sorry i was unclear- yes he did get dex & depo. he actually got dex 2 x today. my vet wanted me to do it every 12 hrs. he will have a third injection tomorrow morning. the fact that he has actually gotten worse even with the injections on board is why my bfriend and I haved decided on tomorrow night, actually since i wrote about the descision about tomorrow night he has gotten increasingly uncomfortable and is starting to look slightly distressed, i was just about to call the vet at her home and ask if i could give him something slightyl sedative.
Re: New to felv have questions
Hi Peggy, i'm so sorry about Thorne, she was so young, but so lucky to have a loving home with you. According to my "rumor mill", if they make it to 5, they're doing pretty good. My last two died between 2 and 3 years of lymphoma. That seems to be a critical age. There's something about when they get it too - if they're born with it, vs, if they get it later. Anybody? After my first 3 died, I've started using daily interferon alpha, as a way to boost the immune system and hopefully stop the virus from mutating into a form that produces disease. So far so good. Don't know! But there are many who proclaim the virtues of interferon, and I'd like to hopefully prolong their little lives. Sending good wishes for you all, Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Peggy Rankin wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused. so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
Re: felv cat in texas needs placement
There's a lady near Oklahoma City looking for an FELV companion. I'll look up her email address. Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received a post from a friend in Texas can anyone help with this felv cat? If so please email me off list for an contact. I am waiting to get a phone number or email address for this woman who currently has this cat: He is a male cat, about 2 years old. No symptoms others than he is currently being treated for a URI and will have to be on CD for the rest of his life. He is gray and white, mediuim length hair, beautiful face. His owner is unable to care for him any longer. She is a psychologically/emotionally challenged woman -- cannot handle problems, stress, etc. He is currently in Houston. Will be willing to transport within a reasonable distance. Thanks Carla
Re: FeLV and pregnancy
And, as I recall, cats can only get the parasite that causes toxo by eating raw meat - such as outdoor cats eating mice. Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 12:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Erika! I can't stress enough that FeLV is *not* transmissable to humans (pregnant or not)!! I believe what the Cornell site is trying to do is to inform pregnant women of the *rare* threat of toxoplasmosis (a parasite that *can* be transmitted to humans unlike FeLV which is species specific)...and because FeLV cats are immuno-suppressed, they could be more suceptible to toxoplasmosis...but, again, we've got to use common sense here...toxoplasmosis is mainly transmitted by contaminated meat...and contaminated meat is generally found outdoors...as long as Tom remains indoors, his chances of picking up toxoplasmosis are essentially nil! And I will also take this opportunity, again, to point out the toxoplasmosis is a fairly uncommon disease! Unfortunately, the Cornell website is inadvertantly suggesting that FeLV is a threat to a fetus by telling pregnant women to avoid cats with FeLV...this is *not* the case! Toxoplasmosis is the only parasite (or disease, aside from rabies), that I know of, that can be transmitted to humans. It is highly unlikely that Tom even carries this parasite, but common sense measures should be taken when handling the litter box (the parasite is shed in the feces of infected cats)...always wash your hands after cleaning the box (wear gloves for even more protection!)...or, better yet, have another member of the household clean the box while you're pregnant! Personally, I would welcome 9 litterbox-free months! :) Hope this helps clarify! Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:40 am Subject: FeLV and pregnancy Does anyone know about having an FeLV cat while I am pregnant? Our vet and my OB said it is ok, but my mother is still worried. I am under the impression from all the info I have read that it is not transmissable to humans, but the Cornell site said to avoid FeLV cats if you are pregnant. Any other research out there? Help! I am not getting rid of my Tom Also, Lots of good thought for finding Smokey I am sure you will. >^..^< Erika When the defining moment comes, either you define the moment, or the moment defines you.
Re: New to felv have questions
Thanks, Hideyo, good information - Gloria On Jun 14, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I am so sorry for your loss – When a cat is tested positive for FeLV, I read that there are different scenarios and I am copying the article below: Please know that there is a good chance that Petal might have either transient infections (30 to 35% of cats) or latent infections (5-10%) – please put him on the good diet and good supplement as he might be able to get rid of the virus – I have heard and read many articles where cats live healthfully for a long time (can be over 10 years) even with the positive status – so please don’t be discouraged – it seems that the critical survival time for FeLV cats are for the first three years, the fact that he is already 5 years old, he might have just transient infections from the other kitty – please keep the hopes high – I have one FeLV+ kitty, Ginger, she is only 1 year old, but I am taking one day at a time and do the best that I can do for her - What happens to a cat after being exposed to FeLV? If the cat becomes infected from the exposure, 2-4 weeks later, in the acute stage of infection, large numbers of the virus can be found in the bloodstream (viremia). Cats in the acute phase usually do not show signs of disease. If they do, the signs are usually mild fever, slight lethargy, and swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy). When an adult cat is exposed to FeLV, four things can happen: 1. Approximately 30% of adult cats will not be infected due to inadequate exposure. 2. 30-35% of adult cats have a transient infection; over the course of 6 months or so, the cats will eventually kill all of the virus. 3. 5-10% of adult cats will develop latent infections; these cats will not be able to kill all the virus, but will be able to hold it in check. This is called a latent infection. These cats usually show no signs of infection and usually do not shed virus in their saliva or other body secretions. Queens, however, may still pass the virus in utero or through the milk. 4. 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of virus in their saliva. Age is a very important factor in determining what will happen after a cat is exposed to FeLV. Almost all FeLV-exposed kittens less than 8 weeks of age will have persistent viremia and show signs of disease during the acute phase. As kittens get older, there is the probability of becoming persistently infected after exposure lessens, until it reaches approximately 30% in adulthood. The prevalence of FeLV infection is highest in cats between 1 and 6 years of age, with a mean age of 3 years. Males are 1-½ times more likely to be infected than females. This may be due to the frequency in which intact males roam and fight. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New to felv have questions Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss. How long have Petal and Flower lived together already? How long did they live with Thorne? When I was in a similar situation I separated like you have done, but mine had already lived together at least 3 months, so I just brought my positive cat back home and let her live with the rest of my cats. No one ever caught it from her. It's important to know who was newest to the household, etc... to try to determine what's best, but most likely, if Flower has already lived with the other 2 positive cats for any amount of time she either already has it and is just not testing positive (yet) or she's not going to get it. tonya Peggy Rankin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This alst week has been the worst for me, I have three cats, Flower Petal and Thorne. Last thursday we had to put Thorne to sleep she was diagnosed with felv and lymphoma, she was barley a year old. Yesterday we were told that Petal is positive and FLower is negative. I have placed Flower in my father home for now. My concern is for Petal, she is 5 years old and the vet said she is healthy but positive. The vet told for now all we do is wait and retest in six weeks but I feel I should be doing more. I sorry ot say I didnt know much about Felv till now but I am so confused. so for this is the only palce I found for help. Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!
Re: FeLV and pregnancy--toxo
Cats apparently initially acquire it if they eat raw meat, although they can (less common) acquire it in utero - Once they acquire it by eating raw meat - then it goes to the litter box. But I could not find that other cats acquire it from the litter box. Perhaps so, I just couldn't find it. At any rate, if your cat has never been an outdoor hunter, well, that's good. From the Cornell site, "...Cats acquire Toxoplasma infection by eating any of the three infective stages of the parasite: cyst, oocyst, or tachyzoite. Following ingestion of cysts in infected prey (rodents or birds), the intraintestinal infection cycle begins. This cycle occurs only in members of the cat family. The organisms multiply in the wall of the small intestine and produce oocysts, which are then excreted in great numbers in the feces for two to three weeks. Within five days the shed oocysts may sporulate, becoming infectious to other animals and to humans. Sporulated oocysts are highly resistant to environmental conditions and can survive in moist shaded soil or sand for many months. ... Ingestion of tissue cysts in infected prey or in other raw meat is probably the most common route by which cats are exposed to Toxoplasma. Congenital infection (transmission from mother to fetus) occurs in sheep, goats, and humans, but is much less common in cats. On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also from sharing litterboxes-- it is passed in feces. Michelle In a message dated 6/14/05 5:24:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, as I recall, cats can only get the parasite that causes toxo by eating raw meat - such as outdoor cats eating mice. Gloria
Re: Any more animal communication questions?
Yes! Susan and I are looking for a lost cat (again) - Smokey, a Siamese cat. It's in a wooded area, nice residential area, but backs up on the woods near the freeway. We want to know if he's alive and where to look. Should I email you privately? Gloria On Jun 15, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Kathleen A. Berard wrote: Hi, everyone. I just wanted to see if there are any more questions; I will be signing off Thursday night as I am traveling to Dallas to teach a workshop. Kat Kathleen A. Berard, Animal Communicator, Vibrational Essences Practitioner and Holistic Care Consultant KATALYST FOR ANIMAL WHOLENESS, INC. www.katberard.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL ME TO RECEIVE A COMPLIMENTARY SUBSCRIPTION TO THE MONTHLY “KAT’S JOURNAL” NEWSLETTER! "If you don't know what your passion is, realize that one reason for your existence on Earth is to find it." Oprah
Re: picture of Bones (OT)
A beautiful kitty! Gloria On Jun 18, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Jenn wrote: Hi everyone, I finally got a pic of Bones for you all. Thanks to everyone for their support. She is doing GREAT! Sorry for the OT post, but I knew everyone would want to see her: http://ucat.us/Bones.jpg Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html\
Re: Misha
I agree - it's typical for kitties to have eye problems and diarrhea problems, whether or not they carry the FELV virus. Options - keep her in 1 room for a while, try W/D cat food from the vet, along with flagyl (from the vet). If that doesn't work, try plain human chicken; or try different meat - such as Nutro lamb and turkey; try plain white rice mixed in with some cat food - that's a good one. Or try adding a little pumpkin (fiber) to the cat food. You can also get a homeopathic diarrhea formula at the health food store - it's liquid - I frequently have success with that. It's $8 or $9. I agree also - this is not a "type of FELV" - FELV is a virus that lowers the immune system. It opens the door for various diseases to come in. The question is what problem does she have. Many vets are not good with figuring out FELV (and some don't care). Best of luck - Gloria On Jun 17, 2005, at 3:47 PM, Paul Jr wrote: Hey out there I need some sugeestions/feedback about Misha and what we should do with her. Misha is six years old and tested pos for FeLV. We have had her for almost 6 1/2 years. She is in good health and none of the other cats (all share the same wate dish) have FeLV. Misha's FeLV shows up, according to her vet by attacking her intestines. She has chronic bouts of what we call drippy butt. She leaves little presents aorund the house. She has been on various medications and recently the vet suggested Kaopectate or Pepto Bismo, which made her problem worse.(gave her pain and lots of diahreha) I have read aobut medications to treat FeLV, none of which cure it just maybe ease the symptoms. Does anyone else have a cat with this type of FeLv and if so what do you do? Also give me some feedback. We live in Gainesville, Fl and my husband and I are expecting our first child in the end of July. We have considred putting Misha down but she seems to have so much playfullness and affection (most of the time) that we really hate to. Money is a problem and we are both nervous about exposing a baby to her. Thanks for the help! Melody\
Re: Misha
As I understand, there are human juveniles that do that too...and it's considered normal! On Jun 18, 2005, at 2:31 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: there are even diapers for kitties, too, if the problem is chronic--there are a lot of cats around who are full of life and love, just can't control their bowels, who bop around in diapers quite happily, i'm told! -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: George update - part II
WONDERFUL WONDERFUL WONDERFUL! Congrats! Gloria On Jun 20, 2005, at 12:23 PM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Thank you SOOO much everyone for sending George and myself a positive energy and prayer!! I finally CAUGHT George last night – I tell you it was one of the most scary things I had to do (emotional wise). I knew that I was not going to be given a second chance if I messed it up, but I also did not want to regret by not trying since I did not know how long he was going to come see me regularly like he has been for the past two weeks, which has been a miracle to me as well. Anyway, I finally caught him in a fish net, and it was not a pretty site – he got all tangled in a net and I had a very difficult time to transfer him from the net to a dog trap – I had to tear up all the net to get him out - but no matter how difficult it was, I was so determined not to mess it up – I kept apologizing to George about scaring him like this while I was doing it – poor baby, his mouth was bleeding from the net – I felt so bad – but I somehow he knew that I was doing so to help him (because he did not bite me (and he so could have), and let me scratch his head during this trauma- He is in a crate right now, he ate all the food I gave to him last night (chicken with broth) and even ate some dry food, too – I was very glad, because some feral cats I rescue usually don’t eat for at least 24 hour or so due to the stress – I am planning to take him in to a vet soon, am not sure if I should have them anesthetize him for a brief time so that they can draw a blood from him and check him out thoroughly (I hate to do that to him), or try to hold him without anesthesia which also can be stressful. He is not neutered yet, but I would like to wait until his health recovers and I know what we are dealing with before I have him go though the surgery. I also let Squeaky out from a crate (she is the one who has been tested negative, positive, equivocal, and indeterminate and all that stuff on FIV test since March) – she was in a crate for so long, I couldn’t do it to her anymore – I promised her a good life when I re-trapped her after my neighbor dumped, and I feel like I was not keeping my promise to her though I only mean to keep her in a crate for a very short amount of time, and I did not expect this test results back that way for that long – anyway, she IS finally OUT of a crate – when I did, I cried so hard, I did not know why, but the tears couldn’t stop falling – I guess I was glad that she was finally out - she is very cute, she still goes back to a crate to sleep as she feels safe there – but I am leaving the door open so that she can go back and forth if she wants to – this morning I found her on the bed with me, as soon as she saw me wake, she freaked out and jumped down… Please pray that George’s health will only get better going forward! Thank you again everyone for your support! Hideyo
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I've always had trouble getting my cats to eat Wellness.Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:54 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin R&D. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K activity). Guaranteed Analysis for Wellness dry: Crude Protein Not Less Than 33.0% Crude Fat Not Less Than 19.0% Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0% Moisture Not More Than 10.0% Ash Not More Than 6.0% Magnesium Not More Than 0.10% Taurine Not Less Than 0.18% Omega-6 (Linoleic Acid) Not Less Than 3.5% Omega-3 (Linolenic Acid) Not Less Than 1.1%* * Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Drive, Chicago, Illinois 60606. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin R&D. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of Manganese), Calcium Proteinate (a chelated source of Calcium), Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (a chelated source of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Thiamin Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione S
Re: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please
Hey, I'll try it. Been looking around for something to order or buy locally. Thanks so much! Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Nina wrote: My guys stuck their noses up at Wellness too. I just bought Triumph canned and my guys seem to like every flavor so far. It doesn't contain meat by-products, or veggies, but it does have rice flour and guar gum. Nina Gloria Lane wrote: I just tried Eagle Pack, but again, having trouble getting my guys to eat it! Any suggestions? Gloria On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:51 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kerry, Personally speaking, my cats did better on Wellness than Royal Canin. They like(d) both tho. I now feed Eagle Pack (because of Coebeio's allergies-she does better on it), BUT, I use other high quality cat foods, Wellness...Royal Canin, Wysong, Newmans, as treats instead of buying the more expensive cat "treats" that are basically just corn and by-products. Besides...two 6lb bags will last you 12 months or more...for say...$20 total...when cat treats are what(?) $2 per pouch and that only lasts about a week. Just a thought. T Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kerry – my friend is in the distribution business for natural pet food and she knows lots of about lots of different food – I will give her a call and ask her about your question. Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Opinions wanted on Royal Canin v. Wellness please Hi all Does anyone have any opinion on the quality of Royal Canin dry cat food v. eg Wellness (or for that matter the new Evo)? My vet was extolling its and the company's virtues when I saw him recently and gave me a gratis 6lb bag for my FeLV kitties. (The dry they eat just now is Wellness and all my cats love it so much, and it seems to be doing them good, I'm almost loathe to try them on something else. But I could use a 6lb free bag.) If you guys think Royal Canin quality is as good as Wellness I will mix it in. If not, I'll pass it on to a shelter. Actually I just went on the web and here are the listed ingreds for both. Wellness looks superior. As an aside, my vet was very impressed by the following Royal Canin R&D. Am I being just too cynical in thinking it's "toys for the boys" syndrome? Anyway, if anyone has any comments I'd love to hear them. I'm continually trying to educate myself on kitty nutrition. Thanks! Kerry Finding the Perfect Kibble Research Indicates: The size, shape and power of a cat's jaw depend on its age, breed and state of health. Nutritional Breakthroughs: Scientific and mechanical studies of kibble texture and elasticity led to the use of a Texturometer. This innovation determines kibble size, shape and thickness as well as elasticity and degree of penetration required for breakage. All contribute to producing the perfect kibble for each cat. Ingredients listed for Royal Canin dry: Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement. Guaranteed Analysis for Royal Canin dry: Crude Protein Not less than 32% Crude Fat Not less than 13% Crude Fiber Not more than 4% Moisture Not more than 10% Magnesium Not more than 0.095% Taurine Not less than 0.15% Omega 6* Not less than 1.9% Omega 3* Not less than 0.43% Calories (kcal/cup) 316 Ingredents listed for Wellness dry: Salmon, Deboned Turkey, Herring Meal, Salmon Meal, Menhaden Fishmeal, Ground Whole Oats, Brown Rice, Dried Whole Eggs, Dried Peas, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols), Herring Oil, Chicken Liver, Flaxseed, Cranberries, Blueberries, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Dried Kelp, Whole Ground Apples, Whole Ground Sweet Potatoes, Steamed Zucchini, Yucca Schidigera, Chicory Extract, Beta Carotene, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Vitamin E supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of Iron), Manganese Prote
OT Hospitals - Michelle
Michelle, in my experience hospitals are scarey places - have been there with various loved ones at times during the last 15 years. Witnessed too many mistakes...Gloria On Jun 24, 2005, at 6:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... to hear what goes on is scary - I don't want my family on the intensive car unit. The amount of mistakes that the medical staff make with drugs and doses has led to many fatalities or decline in condition. I think this will happen when ever medicine is concerned. Half the time they guess to appear that they know what they are doing - very scary Michelle, Bramble, Minstrel & Buddy
Re: sniffles-gloria
Hey Tonya, I've given him Lysine and Interferon till I'm blue in the face and he's still red in the face. I've used the standard antibiotics, though - amoxi, and clinidamycin. Not clavamox though. He's a PILL to give a pill to. And lately he's started throwing up in the evening. I just don't know. Sounds like maybe a combination of parasites (he's had Flagyl ) and sinusitis. He had a Depo shot and of course that helped (suppressed the symptoms) . Must be wearing off. Then some Chlorpheneramine liquid. Poor baby... gave him vitamin C yesterday and today - it can be nice about surpressing the histamine stuff. But he hates getting medicated, I tbut he's so red in the face, and sniffly. Maybe zythromax is worth a try...good idea.. Been thinking about acupuncture , probiotics, chiropractic, different vets, whatever I can come up with. Gloria On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:25 PM, catatonya wrote: Has herpes been ruled out? allergies? I recently had a cat with a sinus infection that was given zythromax. What antibiotics have you used? t "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Tonya, I just attempted to have some Chlorphenarimine / Chlor Trimeton compounded into an ear cream. They got it wrong and made a liquid for oral consumption. The pharmacy said the ear cream would be $50. I'm curious - how much do you get and how much does it cost? I didn't know you could give kitties Benadryl, so interested in that. My problem is Lancelot - got him in January,February - declawed, outdoors for two months. He had the sniffles. I've tried everything - Lysine, Interferon, antibiotics, most recently a depo shot, which of course did help some. THought I'd do the ear cream because he's so hard to pill. Anyhow - any suggestions are appreciated, and info on *ear cream* ! Gloria At 12:26 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: >I had it compounded into a cream for her ears to make it easier to give it >to her. She is overgrooming her tummy and her 2 back legs to where there >is very little hair yet. The vet says it's allergies and recommended >prednisolone. We tried the baths, but she really HATED that! > >her benadryl dose is 25 mg. twice daily. > >t > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >What is the dose, and why is she getting it? And why in her ears? You can >actually give Benadryl orally to cats, the dosage is 1MG per pound, so >since a tablet is 25MG, you'd need to give a little less than 1/2 a tablet >to a 10 pound cat, or if you buy the capsules, you can dissolve the opened >capsule's powder into a bit of water, shake well, and only give 1/3 of the >liquid, OR use children's benadryl liquid, but I'm not sure the strength >of that, so you'd have to do the math. When you say she is overgrooming, >do you mean she is cleaning one spot until she has no hair left? For >Mythic's skin itchies, I just used a good quality aloe cat shampoo and >bathed him once a week, and it seemed to help him a lot. The vet gave me a >special shampoo, but I found some stuff at the hardware store that seems >to help even more. The stuff the vet sold me is made by Virbac, and it's >called Epi-Soothe Shampoo (label says available through vets only, and no >number). The stuff that works better for Mythic, is made by TropiClean, >and it's called Aloe Moist Natural Shampoo (1-800-542-7387). I wont ever >buy any other kind of shampoo again, it's really awesome stuff, smells >great too. Mythic also got shots at the vet for a while, I'd have to dig >up his records to tell you what it was though. They only last for a couple >of weeks, wasn't really worth the trip. Changing his food to one with no >grains helped more than anything, his hair is still thin, but he does not >scratch much at all now. > >Jenn >http://ucat.us >http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html > >~ ~~ >DD is still overgrooming with the benadryl cream. It doesn't seem to >effect her. Her dosage is 1mL twice daily (alternate ears) do you >remember what you used? I saved some other ideas I may try next, but the >pharmacist said my prescription was a very 'low' dose. I wonder if my vet >prescribed a low dose because she didn't think it would work and I >insisted on trying it? My vet can be like that >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005
Re: DD's allergies again....
My Lancelot also has cruddy itchy ears... Gloria On Jul 5, 2005, at 11:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Snowball, who had FIV, always had cruddy itchy ears. Simon always had black stuff in his ears too. I think some immune- compromised cats get that. It was not earmites for them. Sometimes it can be a yeast infection in the ears. You might want to get a swab checked for that. It requires special meds. Steroids make yeast worse. Michelle
Re: sniffles-gloria
OK - I already asked the vet about it - and for some reason she ruled out lymphoma. Can't remember why she gave me Zeniquin, but the other options I mentionedt o her were Cyclosporin and Zithromax. Have to research those. Lancelot is better but he's not right. Wondering if he's going to get worse after the Depo shot wears off. He does have cruddy yucky ears - not black, but pink (he's a white cat) with yellow crust inside. Gloria On Jul 6, 2005, at 10:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I missed what you sai about his eyes being allergy-like. Never mind what I said about lymphoma, because that would not cause this symptom. Michelle
Re: transfer factor
I would just say, briefly, - processed food loses vitamins; also illnesses that are helped by specific nutrients. Gloria On Jul 7, 2005, at 9:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is probably a stupid question, but I'm gonna ask anyway..Cats in the wild eat an all meat diet without vitamin supplements...Why do our domesticated kitties need them?
Re: OT: 2 questions
Our group has had one kitty with a rodent ulcer on the upper lip. The vet put him on steroids. Not considered contagious. Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Cherie A Gabbert wrote: 1) I have a slight problem, my Himmie Candy has a sore on her bottom lip, that I can not identify, any thoughts? She is a negative to FeLV and I have a vet coming out next week, I am just worried that it could spread to the others. 2) I have to join the "pee club" I seem to have someone, not sure who have little accidents in two corners of the house, any thoughts how to determine which one it is...I only have one male but it is not vertical spraying and it is not alot... Any help would be appreciated ;-)) Cherie Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: (no subject)
Are you saying that she's feral? Or is she a stray? Is it a light positive, or a strong positive? Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 3:58 PM, maimaipg wrote: I had a cat tested for FeLV a few weeks ago and she came back positive. We will retest soon. She is about a year old, maybe pregnant, and a throw away. I have never had this happen before and I have done spay release for several years with feral cats. I contacted vet who does alternative medicine and we have her on supplements hoping to boost her immune system. Can anyone give me any advise on how to care for this cat? I have one 13 year old cat that is negative for FeLV but who has some health problems so I can't even consider letting them together. Any information would be appreciated.
Re: Need advice for FELV+ 6 week old kitten!
Hmmm - well, if the kitten tests positive for FELV, then he has the virus. I think it's an antigen test isn't it, not antibodies, for the office Elisa test. But as I understand, his little immune system could still throw the virus off, as you said. He should be tested again. I really don't know what I'd do - try to support his immune system or leave him be and do it on his own. I'd probably look at Interferon. Re Vit C, Dr. Belfield has a reputation for Vit C, and for using it against FELV. www.belfield.com, I think. Re when to retest, I don't recall - seems like it's 90 days... Again, was it a light positive or a strong positive? Gloria On Jul 11, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Brenda K. Smith wrote: Hi All.. I have a friend who's mother in Oregon rescued a little boy kitten who is about 6 weeks old now. Last week he tested positive for felv on the in office test. I don't know if it was the Snap or Elisa. The lady, Margaret, said they also sent out a sample to be tested at a lab. I believe it was the IFA. She found out today that it is also positive. I asked if they reported that it was replicating in his bone marrow and she asked the vet's office. The person said they thought that in order for it to be positive on the IFA that it would indicate it was replicating in the bone marrow. Is that true? When Margaret's daughter called to ask advice, I told her that a kitten may test positive from the mother cat's antibodies and that the kitten could possibly throw off the virus with good care, human grade food, stress level kept down and Interferon if the kitten is old enough to take it. I recommended Wellness kitten food and Margaret purchased both dry and canned Wellness. Margaret's vet upon seeing the positive test recommended euthanasia immediately. Margaret said absolutely not! She said they had already fallen in love with him and he was energetic showing no signs of illness. I know this lady very well having taught her and her daughter almost 15 years ago how to bottle raise 5 orphan kittens. She will do whatever is necessary to keep this kitten healthy and loved. Here are the questions for which I need answers: 1) Can a 6 week old kitten be on Interferon? I recommended the newest protocol (which I use) of daily Interferon. I use 1 ml daily for my adult cats. What would the dose be for a 2-3 lb. (I think) kitten? 2) If the kitten is positive with the IFA and/or is replicating in his bone marrow, will he remain persistently positive or can he throw if off? 3) Also, if replicating in bone marrow if/when should he be tested again? 4) What other supplements would be recommended? Vit C? What dose for a kitten? L-Lysine? What dose for kitten? If any of you have any other recommendations, please feel free to mention them. I will be calling Margaret tonight or tomorrow to read some of your answers. I will also be printing them out and mailing them to her. Margaret is in her early 70's and I don't know whether she has a computer. I really appreciate any advice you all might have for this cat/ kitten loving lady. All of my experience with felv+ with my cats have been as adults. I have never had a tiny positive kitten. I know I could go to the archives, but I still have dial up and limited internet time so I'm hoping you all don't mind repeating advice for Margaret. Thank you so much. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http:// www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.8.10 - Release Date: 7/6/2005
Re: FIV+ Kitty
Are you in Rochester, NY? Gloria On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:38 AM, Amy Wilkins wrote: Just got a call from my vet about a female torti that she found at her barn that tested FIV+. She is willing to give me til the end of the day to see if we can find anybody that might be interested in taking her. She said she did fine on the car ride and is fine in the cage and will do ok in an indoor home. I'm getting married in a couple weeks and I have a very sick leuk positive at my home now so I just can't introduce this one into my home. Would anybody be willing to take her? She will spay her and worm her free of charge and I can transport her. She is an adult, possibly 3 or 4, don't know at this point. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com
Sniffles and red face- Lancelot
I'd written about my problems with Lancelot - my little mostly white kitty - he had the slight sniffles, red swollen face and eyes, face and neck starting to itch. Weird. His nose was stopped up, he looked miserable. He was starting to scratch bloody places on his neck. Took him to my "usual" vet, who tried Amoxi, Zeniquin, blood test, fungal test. No help. He had a couple of Cortisone shots, the 1st seemed to make it better then worse. She suggested food or other allergies as a possibilities. Last Friday, I took him to another vet I go to, about an hour away in Hot Springs. I've gone to her before for several years. She gave him ozone in his ears (ear insufflation), did a skin biopsy, then gave me Ovaban (if I spelled it right) and I'm giving him that for a week (then reduce to once a week). Guess what! He's better. I'll still be curious to see what the skin biopsy says, but I'm delighted. Gloria On Jul 2, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Hey Tonya, I just attempted to have some Chlorphenarimine / Chlor Trimeton compounded into an ear cream. They got it wrong and made a liquid for oral consumption. The pharmacy said the ear cream would be $50. I'm curious - how much do you get and how much does it cost? I didn't know you could give kitties Benadryl, so interested in that. My problem is Lancelot - got him in January,February - declawed, outdoors for two months. He had the sniffles. I've tried everything - Lysine, Interferon, antibiotics, most recently a depo shot, which of course did help some. THought I'd do the ear cream because he's so hard to pill. Anyhow - any suggestions are appreciated, and info on *ear cream* ! Gloria At 12:26 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: I had it compounded into a cream for her ears to make it easier to give it to her. She is overgrooming her tummy and her 2 back legs to where there is very little hair yet. The vet says it's allergies and recommended prednisolone. We tried the baths, but she really HATED that! her benadryl dose is 25 mg. twice daily. t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the dose, and why is she getting it? And why in her ears? You can actually give Benadryl orally to cats, the dosage is 1MG per pound, so since a tablet is 25MG, you'd need to give a little less than 1/2 a tablet to a 10 pound cat, or if you buy the capsules, you can dissolve the opened capsule's powder into a bit of water, shake well, and only give 1/3 of the liquid, OR use children's benadryl liquid, but I'm not sure the strength of that, so you'd have to do the math. When you say she is overgrooming, do you mean she is cleaning one spot until she has no hair left? For Mythic's skin itchies, I just used a good quality aloe cat shampoo and bathed him once a week, and it seemed to help him a lot. The vet gave me a special shampoo, but I found some stuff at the hardware store that seems to help even more. The stuff the vet sold me is made by Virbac, and it's called Epi-Soothe Shampoo (label says available through vets only, and no number). The stuff that works better for Mythic, is made by TropiClean, and it's called Aloe Moist Natural Shampoo (1-800-542-7387). I wont ever buy any other kind of shampoo again, it's really awesome stuff, smells great too. Mythic also got shots at the vet for a while, I'd have to dig up his records to tell you what it was though. They only last for a couple of weeks, wasn't really worth the trip. Changing his food to one with no grains helped more than anything, his hair is still thin, but he does not scratch much at all now. Jenn <http://ucat.us/>http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~ ~~ DD is still overgrooming with the benadryl cream. It doesn't seem to effect her. Her dosage is 1mL twice daily (alternate ears) do you remember what you used? I saved some other ideas I may try next, but the pharmacist said my prescription was a very 'low' dose. I wonder if my vet prescribed a low dose because she didn't think it would work and I insisted on trying it? My vet can be like that No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/35 - Release Date: 6/30/2005
Re: Our boys' B-day!
Wow, congratulations. That's something to be thankful for! Gloria On Jul 20, 2005, at 2:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to wait to post on the actual day...but since the list is a little slow (and because I couldn't wait to announce it) :) ...Our boys, Sleepypants and Ewok, will be 3 years old on the 22nd! :) Not too shabby for a couple of guys born with the virus! :) Jen "But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." -- Chief Dan George
Re: TeeCee is looking for a home...
It's probably a good idea to give your location to the list - where are you? Best of luck, Gloria On Jul 25, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Stephanie E Caldwell wrote: My FELV+ kitty is looking for a new home. I'm not in a position to give him what he needs. My family doesn't especially enjoy cats, and he'd be much better off with someone where he can socialize. He's healthy and doing great. He is an intact male and occassionally sprays, but other than that is litter box and kennel trained. I'm not just looking to unload him on someone, he can stay with me forever, but I'd like to find him someone who is more able to keep him and he can roam with their other kitties inside. My old cat hasn't ever accepted him and he terrorizes her trying to be friendly. If anyone is interested I have some pictures of him and he's a sweet heart! Steph
Re: URGENT
That address doesn't work... could you resend it? Thanks - On Sep 7, 2005, at 12:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are looking for homes for 2 FELV+ cats http://FELVadopt.html They may be in euthanized if we cant find homes for them. They're very loving cats. Thank you for your time.
Re: URGENT
Great - thanks, that one works! gloria On Sep 7, 2005, at 5:48 AM, Kat wrote: Gloria, I believe this is from the contact person that our Jenn posted just a while ago and the site she listed was: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Kat (Mew Jersey) (Trying to catch up with more emails than I thought could accumulate...) On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Gloria Lane wrote: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 05:39:51 -0500 From: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: URGENT That address doesn't work... could you resend it? Thanks - On Sep 7, 2005, at 12:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are looking for homes for 2 FELV+ cats http://FELVadopt.html They may be in euthanized if we cant find homes for them. They're very loving cats. Thank you for your time.
Re: sores in the mouth
How frustrating! Just wondering if you've started giving them interferon - I use that for my FELV kitties - also I have some vitamin stuff from Dr. Belfield (belfield.com) that they say is good for mouth sores - I don't know, I got it for something else, but worth a try. Gloria On Sep 7, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Terri Durham-Stone wrote: My 3 FELV kits (almost 5 months) , I noticed have not been eating as well as they were and noticed they all have red sores in their mouths. Is there something I can give them for these ? They just recently lost their brothers (Albany and Macon) and I am trying my best to keep these 3 healthy. Terri ps one of them is sneezing so bad, I have to take a shower after I come from their room so as not to expose my other kits. -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
Re: Sheila and Bubba
Sheila, I am so sorry. I know that beautiful Bubba will always be in your heart. He sounds like such a special wonderful kitty. Sending all my good wishes for your healing. Gloria On Sep 7, 2005, at 10:56 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: It sounds like Bubba had a lot to teach us humans.What a wonderful character to share your life with, and what a stroke of luck for you to find each other. I'm so sorry to hear you've lost the dear little furball, Sheila. I can well imagine how much you're going to miss him. Please know you're in my thoughts. hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: (no subject) Please add my beautiful Bubba to the list.He left us Friday evening after a long struggle with Felv. I have never had a cat who enjoyed life so much.He was my oldest (16) and sweetest.He was the last of a family of seven that came to us in 1989. His life was so full of mishaps the first few years he would sneak out of the house like a little escape artist .He was hit buy a car twice and twice attacked buy neighborhood dogs. Once he got out and was missing for 10 days. With the help of everyone in the neighborhood we searched everywhere we could think to look. We finally gave up the search thinking he was gone for good.Then late one night I heard a little meow outside when I opened the door he stood there grinning like he had only been gone a few minutes. After losing his left front leg he decided the adventures weren't worth the pain and gave up his life of escape.His injuries left him a little slow mentally (Forest Gump),but that only made him more loveable. Everything about him was bigger than life ,his curiosity,his appetite, his ability to charm and get along with every one. I can't imagine life without this sweet precious rogue. Sheila
Re: Another emergency!! - at home oxygen tank?
Oops - sorry, I haven't been keeping up. I have the carrier now, and the contact info of the couple who rigged it up (she was on the board of the humane society, he's an engineer). If you're near me, you're welcome to it, and I'll drive it part way - if not email/call them and they can describe how to rig it up! One vet tech at the emergency clinic thought I was crazy, said it was a fire hazard. I thought for a moment, and said, you're wrong, it's used for people in their homes all the time. Why not for animals? Gloria Little Rock, Arkansas On Sep 9, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Nina wrote: I can't remember who it was, but someone rigged a carrier so that there was very little ventilation and funneled the oxygen into it with the cat inside. Nothing was inserted into their nose as far as I can remember. I've looked for the old email and can't find it. I just went to search the archives and I did find this from Gloria, (sorry Gloria, I should have known it was you, TC, or Patti!). Anyway here's what Gloria wrote about making her own oxygen cage: I have a carrier that was converted into an oxygen cage/carrier by a friend's husband - he's an engineering type. I got it from her, just in case, before my Cala died. If you're ever interested, I'll be glad to share the carrier (I'm in Arkansas). My friends used it for her kitty, and then she loaned the carrier to me. The problem is getting a vet to prescribe the O2 tank that connects to the carrier -they think you're crazy... and of course you'd need to be home with him. Think the O2 tanks are rented on a monthly fee? People have O2 at home all the time - too bad it's not done more for cats and dogs that want to be home. Gloria
Re: FeLV cats need home
Where are you in Mississippi? On Sep 21, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Julie wrote: I volunteer for a group in Mississippi that rescues feral and domesticated cats and does TNR or adopts them out. I am the main foster home because I have a really big basement. Yesterday, I had 5 foster cats test positive for FeLV. 2 adult females and 3 kittens. Luna, Princess, Mocha, Hershey, and Godiva are all beautiful, healthy at the moment, loving, and playful. Right now I have them together in my gameroom. But I have 6 cats of my own, plus 6 other foster cats. I had to have everyone tested yesterday to find out who all had it. After that expense, I can't afford to do the IFA tests. I am paying for all this out of my pocket. I don't even have a job, I am a stay- at-home mom. Would anyone be interested in adopting any of them? All 5 of them get along great and could go together in any combination. The 2 adults are females and the kittens are 2 females and 1 male. They have all been spayed/neutered, had their rabies and FVRCP shots. I can send pictures if you want to see them. Sincerely, Julie Holeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] >^,,^< Saving just one animal won't change the world but, surely, the world will change for that one animal! Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: Question about Euthanasia and my Grace
Nina, my heart goes out to you, I am so sorry for your pain. These are such difficult, important, and soul-searching questions. I can only answer of course from my own experience, but want to mention that homeopathy also has ways of supporting the one who is about to pass on, so you might talk to your homeopath. I agree, I have always interpreted with animals and people, when they won't take the food or liquid out of the syringe or dropper, it's time for them to move to a different level. I usually allow my loved ones to move at their own speed, unless there seems to be pain or other difficulty. I really don't know how difficult it is to euthanize an emaciated animal - but they will pass on gently on their own. And, it's not hard to ask your vet about a simple sedative for Grace if you feel that's appropriate, and your dear Grace could remain at home. Also, again, a good contact might be the homeopath, to give you gentle suggestions on how to help Grace with making the transition. Let us know, we all are with you as you help her with this passage. Blessings, Gloria On Sep 22, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Nina wrote: My Beloved Group, First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to participate fully in the group this last couple of weeks. I love you all, but for the last couple of days, I haven't even been able bring myself to read the posts. I'm physically and emotionally exhausted by Grace and my last efforts to bring her back to health. Yesterday, I finally resigned myself to thinking of our time together as 'death bed vigil'. Those of you that know me, know that I pray all your babies are safe and healthy, and those that are losing, or have lost the battle; my love is with you. I don't know what I would have done without the love and support of this group. You have been a Godsend to me and my sweet fur angels. Yesterday morning Gracie "told" me she does not want to stay. Among other signs, I was syringe feeding her and she refused to swallow. I'm trying my best to make peace with her decision. I know you understand. She hasn't eaten on her own for a long time now and she's skin and bones. She spent a nice peaceful day, and I did my best to just "be with her". During the afternoon she made it clear that she didn't want to be sung to, or touched. It's so hard on me to watch her pull away. At one point, she seemed a bit agitated so I ground up a tiny bit of Valium and gave it to her in water. She was so relaxed she even did a stretch-semi roll out on the patio in the sun. She did something that startled me, and got my hopes up again. (I just can't stop believing in miracles). I was giving the dogs treats and she was laying on the couch. Well, we have this thing Grace and I. Whenever the dogs get treats she'd come bounding over the barrier and expect one too. When she saw me giving the dogs treats this afternoon, she jumped off the couch. I started to cry, because I thought, there's no way she's going to take a treat. I put one in front of her anyway and you could have knocked me over with a sigh. It took her a minute to decide to eat it, but she not only ate that one, but 3 more. Then she ate 3 or 4 pieces of kibble! My hopes were short lived though. I've been up with her most of the night. She still doesn't want my attention. She doesn't even want me to look at her, it's breaking my heart to say goodbye, and I guess it may be making it harder for her to go, although that is not my intention. It's not like I don't want her to leave her body, I do. I want her suffering to be over. Yesterday, when I knew it was time, I called my Internist's office to see if Dr. Ortega would be willing to help her cross. Grace has always liked Dr. Ortega, and I thought she would be calmest with her. Well, my Internist isn't going to be in the office until Friday. It doesn't seem possible that Grace will still be here by then. My stance has always been, that when I know it's the end, when I know that the chance of a recovery after treatment isn't possible, then it's time to help them cross. Even though Grace is peaceful, (she just lays on her side and breathes shallow, but relaxed breaths), I have a hard time letting nature take it's course. It's arrogant of me, but I can't stand seeing her like this. I'm also so worried about her being in pain, when I look in her eyes, she doesn't seem in pain, but she doesn't seem like herself either. I wouldn't mind vacant, but it's almost like she's... not quite angry, more like annoyed to still be here. Just to let you know... Over the past week or so, I think I may have mentioned it, we&
Re: Cat lover dying, 15 cats need homes ASAP New york area
Um, thanks Tonya - perhaps I didn't read enough or read too hurriedly (been doing that lately) and misunderstood - anyhow, thanks! Gloria On Oct 13, 2005, at 10:24 PM, catatonya wrote: The person with the cats is in new york. She posted on a Georgia rescue list I'm on, and apologized that she was posting from so far away. I forwarded it to the group knowing that our felv group has members all over and might know of someone who could help her in the New York area. tonya --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I didn't know that - sorry I just had to say I don't think you're correct as to location. Think we're all over the place, not just Georgia. Thanks for the post... At 06:24 PM 10/12/2005, you wrote: I realize this group is mostly based in GA and surrounding areas, but ...
Re: Missing messages?!?...
I encounter that with my ISP from time to time. I recently sent them a message about a particular message and domain name, and they said yup, they were getting it in the filter - so they "whitelisted" it. Fortunately they're small and responsive, but still large enough to be professional. Gloria On Oct 14, 2005, at 1:16 AM, Paolo wrote: Hi all, it's since last saturday (sept. 8th) that I am receiving very few messages from the list, in comparison with the usual flow. I was suspecting that my ISP set up some kind of "anti-spam" filter, but in that case I would have received nothing at all... instead, I received two messages yesterday, three the day before and so on. Any idea of what's happening? Paolo
Re: Cornelll
Agreed - Cornell U. could do much better. On Oct 15, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Chris wrote: The only thing I don’t like about the Cornell site is that they have not updated their overview information to reflect current protocols. They still say you have to wait at least 30 days to use a space in which there previously was a pos cat… also, are very pessimistic about survival rate, and very much anti-mixing. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:28 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 60-Chris I am rather new to FeLV but Cornell University has good sites for information on this illness. If the anemia is from FeLV it has to be in the bone marrow which according to what I have read, means the FeLV has been with the cat for a long time. Our vet has our Stinky cat on Interferon and amoxicillin. Yesterday she had a red blood count of about 13 than a retest showed a count of 18 which they feel is too high for a transfusion but, that will probably be low enough by Monday for another transfusion. However, the anemia may not be from FeLV at all. There are other things lurking out there that cause it like FIA which is hard to detect but, the doxycycline should handle that if that is what your cat has. And, as Michelle has pointed out, and my vet has pointed out, it may be cancer that is at the bottom of anemia so, don't despair, it may not be FeLV. Even as sick as my Stinky cat is, I am still holding out hopes that ELISA was wrong and the IFA test was right! Best of luck and all our prayers! Stinky's Mom and Dad
Re: Kitten with diarrhea
Also, homeopathic Nux Vomica is often helpful, again, depending on the symptoms. And there are some homeopathic "combo" remedies for diarrhea that I like. Gloria On Oct 16, 2005, at 8:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also she can try Slippery Elm, either sprinkle powder over food, or make the syrup. Arsenicum Album, a homeopathic remedy has also worked well for some of my "problem kitties". Another "natural" treatment is adding pumpkin to food. Has IBD (Irritable Bowel Disease been ruled out by vet??? Patti
Re: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
Thanks, Tracy. Like I said, I'd never heard of it. I'll call the vet sometime, and see what he says (if I can get to talk with him...) Meanwhile, I'll stick with my interferon alpha. Interesting. Gloria On Oct 17, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Tracy Weese wrote: My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One of my adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age) was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse, eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it made me uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info, I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a more positive experience. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 10/17/2005 11:56:26 AM Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV Hi all, I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for FELV. Anybody heard of that? It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? Thanks! GLoria
Re: Wrongful death of cat
Right, it's a hard lesson. But I can understand - people do put so much - too much - trust in vets and organizations that provide care for pets. It's too bad we can't hold vets/orgs. accountable in some way. Very sad. Gloria On Oct 19, 2005, at 3:52 AM, maimaipg wrote: This poor lady. Everyone has options. Just because a vet tells you something does not make it so. I can think of only a couple of times you "have" to surrender an animal and those times involve "vicious" animals involved in "attacks" on people. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: Wrongful death of cat I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading. It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a humane society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came from a lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants to post her with advice I'll get her email address. hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join you under bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i took my 6 month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be tested and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and that it was highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to sign him over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was looking around on the net and found out this was not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me that i had many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why would the houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had they i never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they never do this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea please let me know,i could really use the help and support! thank you,angela
Re: Wrongful death of cat
Me too...grab kitty and run. On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Great Suggestions, she definately needs to bring someones attention to this. I think if someone said I HAD to surrender any of my catsI would grab the cat and run...now that poses a pretty funny picture in my mind ;-)) maimaipg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Three suggestions: Report the matter to the state vet association--not the local one. Contact the Texas version of the Attorney General's Office Comsumer Protection Division (cats are property in most places- ok we know better but the law doesn't). Find out who, in the local media, is a pet lover and have a long conversation with him/her/them. Investigative reporters and let me help reporters/columists can be a lot of help in alerting the general public. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: Wrongful death of cat > I had to post this because I couldn't believe what I was reading. > It is FIV and not FeLV but still this place is supposed to be a humane society and they would treat FeLV in the same way. The message came from a lady on the FIV group and it really did sicken me. If anyone wants to post her with advice I'll get her email address. > > hello,my name is angela and i am new to the group,sadly i join you under bad cercumstances.i live in pasadena,texas and just yesterday i took my 6 month old cat to the houston humane society's wellness clinic to be tested and recive his shots.they told me he tested positive for fiv and that it was highly contagous and he could not live with it.they said i had to sign him over to them to be put to sleep.i cant even begain to tell you how devistated i was,so reluctintly i gave him to them. later on i was looking around on the net and found out this was > not true at all! i even call several vets they all informed me that i had many options other than death.now i am even more devistated,why would the houmane society do this? they never told me i had other options,had they i never would have put him down,i am both heart broken and very mad.i am trying to find out what action if any i can take to make sure they never do this to another cat and person again! if you have any info or idea please let me know,i could really use the help and support! > thank you,angela > > > Have a purrfect day Cherie
Re: Emilio and Frito
Angels Gate - eastern Long Island, www.angelsgate.org - I don't know anything about it - if you can find a small place, that might be good, but if not might be worth a shot to try them. Gloria On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: Hmm, I don't know if there's one on Long Island. Terri in NJ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Emilio and Frito I was wondering about Tabby's Place, but couldn't remember the name. Isn't there one one on Long Island too? Again, can't remember the name! Gloria At 06:40 PM 10/26/2005, you wrote: >Hi Chrissy, > >Wow. What a big heart you have. > >There are no FeLV+ shelters in this area (I'm in Bordentown, right around >the corner from you). Taffy's Place in the Flemington area is full I >think. Any shelter you take them to will PTS. I think Nikki's FeLV >Rescue is full too. She's way up in the Sparta, NJ area. > >No doubt you've got your hands full. I'm full myself (in a 1 bedroom >apartment), and all the cats are FeLV free at the moment. I mostly lurk >on the list nowadays -- I've been with the group since 1999. > >Since we're so close (geographically), maybe give me a call sometime and >we can chat. If nothing else, at least I can be a sounding board for you. > >324-1604 > >Terri in Bordentown, NJ > >=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 >furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & Salome' =^..^= > >Furkid Photos! ><http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/>http://mysite.verizon.net/ vze7sgqa/ >My Personal Page: ><http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html? 1083970447350>http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html? 1083970447350 >- Original Message - >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Christine Ott >To: <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:43 PM >Subject: Emilio and Frito > >Hi everyone, > >I'm brand new here, and am so happy to have found you! How wonderful to >have found such a group! Of course, it's sad news in my life that >brings me here, though, but it's good to know there are other people >out there doing what they can. > >We moved to Trenton, NJ, last year with a dog, Lacey, and two young, >(felv - ) cats, Monkey and Simon, and within a day, acquired a new cat, >Angus, whom we kept in seclusion for months until we could determine if >he had any of the feline nasties (he was tested twice, several months >apart). Of course, we didn't seek to get another cat, but cats have the >ability to acquire us. He came up negative for FIV and Leukemia, and we >were so thankful. Monkey and Simon may not feel the same way, since >he's much bigger than they are, but we're working out the issues! > >Four months later, I heard a terrible crying sound coming from the >hedges, and honestly had no idea what it was -- despite the growing >number of cats in my household, they're all pretty young; I didn't have >a cat until I was 31, so I was not well versed in the wide range of >noises they're capable of making. I went to check it out, and >discovered Platooski, a kitten about 4 weeks old, in the bushes. > >We figured three cats was enough; since Platooski was a kitten, we >thought it would be easy enough to get him adopted. And as luck would >have it, THREE people said they'd take him. We offered him to the first >person who asked, and of course, she fell through, but not before the >other two women got other kittens. So, we figured, "What's one more?" >And then came Crabcake, another kitten. And again, we figured we could >adopt her out, and planned to take her to adoption day at PetSmart, but >she developed a horrible eye infection. Despite her hideous oozing >face, all of my cats fell in love with her while she was healing, and >by the time she got better, we couldn't bear to give her up. > >Platooski and Crabcake also came up negative for FIV and FeLv. All of >my cats are indoors only. Angus, by the way, the bully, adores the >kittens, though he still gets a scary blank stare when he looks at >Simon and Monkey... > >So, last month, on our one year anniversary in the house, a mommy cat >and two young kittens show up, smelling a sucker, I guess. The >neighborhood has a bad cat problem, and we've been talking about a >trap-neuter-release program, but of course, every time a cat shows up, >circumstances go weird, and we're not able to do the TNR thing. I >volunte
Re: positives and negatives
It's such a shame what some vets do. I kind of hope you told them why. Gloria On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Dudes wrote: When I was checking out at my vets office after she saw little orange Cotton, the tech who checked me out told me how they acquired a litter of 10 kittens at the office. They proceeded to test them, and when they found one who was positive for FeLV,, which was like, the 8th or 9th one, they euthanized the entire litter. I knew after hearing that- I have to find another vet for my cats! Sandy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:04 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 10, Issue 3 ...
Re: Another one - fantastic vet!
I totally agree - have mixed + and - with no problems. Gloria On Nov 2, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Nina wrote: Sue, If you ask a vet about mixing + with -, they will tell you not to do it. Why wouldn't they? It's not their household, the safest course of action is to keep them apart. Actually, the SAFEST course of action is to pts, I don't agree with that either, (obviously). I care more about quality of life rather than quantity, and there was never any hesitation about mixing in my house. It was a mute point anyway, because by the time I found out about my kitties pos status, they'd been mixed with my negatives for months. I had anxious feelings about the possibilities of my negs contracting felv, I knew it would be very tough for me to deal with that sort of consequence, but I also couldn't live with shutting up my angels in a room somewhere, that's no way to live, imo. From the experience of the folks on this list, (me included), a healthy adult, vaccinated cat has very little chance of succumbing to felv. Are Mary's other cats adult and healthy? I can't tell anyone else what to do, but if it were me, I'd vaccinate my cats, keep them separate for whatever the necessary period of time it takes to develop immunity and then celebrate the day when everyone could join together in one big happy family. Nina Sue Taft wrote: Thanks Nina Daisy is having the injectable Virbac Omega Interferon at first. One injection a day for five days, then one on day 14 followed by more later (I can't remember the exact protocol). She may then have it diluted to give orally or she'll carry on with the injections maybe once a month like my Eric has (FIV). We'll take the vets advice on which is best. Hopefully the ulcer will clear up quickly and Daisy will have a long happy life. I have every intention of going back to the original vet and telling him what we did. He apparently dismissed the use of the interferon immediately - in his opinion it's a waste of money! I'll have to show him my Eric's records too, nothing worked on his mouth and I'd have lost him if it wasn't for Sonia (who is my vet) suggesting the interferon. He needs to be told. Mary has other cats too, all negative (as far as we know) and all indoor cats. Would it be an idea to vaccinate these so that Daisy and Bungle can safely live among them? I know it's safe to mix FIV cats but I've no experience with FeLV. Sue
Re: risk of contagion Q
Well, the virus is very flimsy, as I understand it, the contagion is not high (like a URI). It is generally supposed to be contagious thru food and water, but I've mixed my felv+ and - cats for long periods of time, with them sharing food dishes, and no problem. Hope that's some comfort. Don't know if there's any research on that. Gloria On Nov 6, 2005, at 12:34 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Hi all What is the risk of negative cats becoming positive after they eat (just the one time) from a positive's food dish? (Not my cats, someone else's--the negs "broke into" the positive's room apparently and were found munching on the food.) feedback much appreciated-- Kerry
Re: OT: blue star ointment made RW worse?
OK thanks - thats not quite as overwhelming. Although it's starting to sounds like we all have it. Gloria On Nov 6, 2005, at 6:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said "we all," I meant my cats and me! Michelle In a message dated 11/5/2005 1:57:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow! Wonder if we all used Blue Star Ointment? Gloria At 12:38 PM 11/5/2005, you wrote: >I fell asleep two nights ago petting a scab on lucy's back and dreamed we >all had ringworm. >Micehlle
Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Nancy, that's GREAT! Good for you! Gloria On Nov 6, 2005, at 5:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crissy, in my opinion, Frito and Emilio should stay in their home! I personally have 16 cats, 3 of whom are positive now and several others in the past who have sadly lost the battle. All share each others lives closely, and NO ONE has ever caught this illness. Get your older cats vaccinated; if Frito hasn't aleady caught the virus, he very likely won't, and if he does, well, then you have 2 cats with leukemia. I have 2 girls who came to me with it, at 9 and 4 months of age, and threw it off at 12/7 months and are free at 13/5 years later. Never give up!! Please reconsider letting ther babies stay. Luv, Nancy and her MC
Re: Litterboxes/baking soda
I've used Baking Soda in my litter boxes on and off for several years. It's great - have to remember to get some more, now that you've reminded me. Gloria On Oct 20, 2007, at 10:01 PM, wendy wrote: You guys are probably going to think I'm crazy, but I actually use baking soda for deodorant. I've been trying to find a good deodorant that does not contain aluminum, which is supposed to be bad for us, and never could. Anything I did find did not work very well. I was reading online about deodorant because I began to notice that only my right armpit was having body odor all of a sudden, when I never have had much before, and read that bacteria can build up and block your pores. I read that baking soda is a great, safe alternative, and have been using it for about two months now and am very happy with it. I don't have that odor anymore, and I don't even have to use it everyday, believe it or not. I hope I didn't gross anyone out with my TMI, but I think it's a great alternative if you're looking for one and good info. to pass on. So I'm assuming it's safe for kitties to mix it in with litter. :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need some help
So it was Emancipet (at Emancipet.org) that called the police and confiscated her pets?Gloria On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:04 PM, MaryChristine wrote: have spoken with nina; she's got a call into hideyo right now. keeping all paws crossed here MC On Nov 9, 2007 11:04 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I happened to email Hideyo last night and got a reply this morning, but I don't know where she's at with her legal hassles. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help Hi MC, I think Nina's been in contact with Hideyo... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, MaryChristine wrote: > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:24 -0500 > From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: Need some help > > has anyone spoken with hideyo lately? i know she'd been having hassles of > her own, so i wasn't sure about contacting her yesterday--but if anyone > knows that's she's okay, i've got her number and can give it to kelley. > > > > On Nov 9, 2007 9:52 AM, Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Oh Kelley, > > > > Did you keep any of the info Michelle Lerner had given to Hideyo back when > > she was having legal troubles?? That will at least give you a start. > > > > If you didn't keep the info, I could go back thru my files and do a "cut & > > paste" for you... > > > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > > > On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:42:11 -0600 > > > From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: Need some help > > > > > > sorry, it is 512-694-5455. Anyone feel free to call, especially if > > > you know how to get a lawyer. I have never needed one before. > > > > > > On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have to leave for work soon so I'll probably have to call this > > evening. > > > > (If it's slow I may be able to call from work.) What is your area > > code? > > > > > > > > Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Susan, you need to call me. I am at work and I could not hold it > > > > together so I am leaving. I may go to the doctor to get a sedative. > > > > > > > > my # is 694-5455. > > > > > > > > On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: > > > > > Kelley, give me the details. Did they have a search warrant? Did you > > > > > consent to a search or the seizure? What paperwork were you given? > > What > > > > > did you sign? Is there a hearing date? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some > > > > > sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin > > > > > Police Department an email stating they were concerned. > > > > > > > > > > I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I > > > > > spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I > > > > > could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly > > in > > > > > the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you > > > > > note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time. > > > > > > > > > > If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > THanks, > > > > > > > > > > Kelley > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rescuties.org > > > > > > > > > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > > > > > > > > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 > > > > > > > > > > Please help George! > > > > > > > > > > http://rescuties.chipin.com/george > > > > > > > > > > I GoodSearc
Re: Need some help
Darn, thats cold of them. Kelley, do you use dial-up, or dsl, or cable at home? Are you looking for a home computer to use or are you able to use work computer? Gloria On Nov 10, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Yes. On 11/10/07, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So it was Emancipet (at Emancipet.org) that called the police and confiscated her pets?Gloria On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:04 PM, MaryChristine wrote: have spoken with nina; she's got a call into hideyo right now. keeping all paws crossed here MC On Nov 9, 2007 11:04 AM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, I happened to email Hideyo last night and got a reply this morning, but I don't know where she's at with her legal hassles. Kerry M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help Hi MC, I think Nina's been in contact with Hideyo... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, MaryChristine wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:24 -0500 From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help has anyone spoken with hideyo lately? i know she'd been having hassles of her own, so i wasn't sure about contacting her yesterday--but if anyone knows that's she's okay, i've got her number and can give it to kelley. On Nov 9, 2007 9:52 AM, Kat <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Oh Kelley, Did you keep any of the info Michelle Lerner had given to Hideyo back when she was having legal troubles?? That will at least give you a start. If you didn't keep the info, I could go back thru my files and do a "cut & paste" for you... Kat (Mew Jersey) On Fri, 9 Nov 2007, Kelley Saveika wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:42:11 -0600 From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need some help sorry, it is 512-694-5455. Anyone feel free to call, especially if you know how to get a lawyer. I have never needed one before. On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have to leave for work soon so I'll probably have to call this evening. (If it's slow I may be able to call from work.) What is your area code? Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Susan, you need to call me. I am at work and I could not hold it together so I am leaving. I may go to the doctor to get a sedative. my # is 694-5455. On 11/9/07, Susan Hoffman wrote: Kelley, give me the details. Did they have a search warrant? Did you consent to a search or the seizure? What paperwork were you given? What did you sign? Is there a hearing date? Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, My cats were seized yesterday by animal control. I had taken some sick animals to Emancipet for treatment and they sent the Austin Police Department an email stating they were concerned. I am in desperate, desperate need of monies for an attorney, since I spend every cent I have caring for these animals. In this case I could not give you a tax deduction as I do when you have so kindly in the past donated to help my animals. I could send you a thank you note and pay it forward to some other rescuers at some other time. If all you can do is send your prayers that is also appreciated. THanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 _
Re: We are having issues
I have a friend in New York who goes to North Carolina every year to get visit the perelandra place - she loves their remedies. Gloria On Nov 10, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Marylyn wrote: I haven't followed a lot of this but did ask one of my holistic vets about essences. She prefers Perelandra (www.perelandra- ltd.com ) over Bach. I have included the website in case you want to check it out. I know I will be since I am hooked on Bach right now. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: We are having issues THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end. Laurie - Original Message - From: Unusually Unique To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: We are having issues I'm new here but I think I might be able to help. I was having a similiar issue with my kids. Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats. Yota, 8 yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw. I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic leukemia). I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior. She suggested using a flower essense called "Vine Essence". According to the book we were looking at it helps with "domination" issues. It helps cats who feel the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats. She suggested putting it in their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs from you. She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water. The essenses only affect the one with "issues". I also found an article that might help you if this is something your considering :http:// findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 . All I know is that I used it and it worked. Now when Waco starts playing "I AM ALPHA CAT" I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch! And I hate to say this but you might have Penelope checked out. She could be sick or having issues your not aware of yet. Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or sick. Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha. Just something to think about. Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ cat? - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM Subject: We are having issues Ok, guys. I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my wit's end. Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a "friendly" type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. : ( They never really "liked" each other, but the last few months it has gotten progressively worse. To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the bedroom. She was pooping/peeing under the bed. And I know it was just because she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom. We finally had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water. What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, but one always jumps the other. They can't even pass in the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do. There doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase. All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and they're off. I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her. Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of the morning I let B
Re: Ensie/Dosing tips for Flagyl/Fecal tips
I've always used Flagyl tablets so have no experience with a liquid or gell - course you've for a feral there, so you can't easily do tablets and they taste bad ... anyhow you might talk to the druggist about compounding it in chicken flavor or something? Course if he/she is feral, how do you get the liquid down? Another thought - One vet gave me panacur and I use it quite a bit - its' liquid and not as repulsive to my cats as Flagyl, apparently. I did 1cc for 3 days. so shorter term than Flagyl. Might ask your vet about that... Gloria On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:03 AM, wendy wrote: Hi guys, I hope this post finds you all well. We finally got Ensie, my grandmother's feral from NC diagnosed correctly. They weren't doing the fecal right at the vets, and finally we got a fill-in vet who not only did the float, but also did another procedure that I can't remember. I think it involved a smear and slide, but not sure. Anyway, the vet said that Ensie had no more roundworms, as she did when we first brought her back to Texas, but that she had two other issues: Mega-bacteria and cyclospores, or something like that, which is what is causing her diarrhea. She said she's never seen bacteria that large before. She also said Ensie had zero good bacteria, or flora I think she called it, in her stomach. So she prescribed Flagyl and Bene-Bac. I gave Ensie her first dose this morning of the Flaygyl and she went nuts. She did NOT like it at all. And the stuff is cherry flavored! What are they thinking? Do cats like cherry flavoring? lol. So I wondered if any of you had any good ideas for dosing liquid cherry flavored Flagyl to your kitties? I am thinking it won't go over in tuna, but maybe something else??? Thanks for any advice! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Ang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 1:37:47 PM Subject: Autumn and Diarrhea Hey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas. Thanks, ~Susan A __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Ensie/Dosing tips for Flagyl/Fecal tips
She's a lucky kitty - I had a Persian with a very small mouth - couldn't get Flagyl or Albon down her to save me. Think I finally used Panacur. Gloria On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:25 AM, wendy wrote: Hi Gloria! Good to hear from you! Regarding your question about how I got liquid down Ensie...she had never let anyone touch her until I brought her home. I'd played with her with string for the five years before everytime I went to see my grandma, but she never let me get too close. The first night I brought her home, she let me touch her. And she has turned into a love. She still does not like to be picked up, but is getting better. She will sit in my lap and loves to be close to me, so that's how I was able to get the liquid down. We'll see if she goes for it again tonight though. I'm betting she won't...lol! Her little mouth is so small I couldn't pill her if I tried. I asked if it could be given transdermally and I guess antibiotics don't work that way, but the chicken flavored compound is a great idea. I will definitely keep the panacur in mind if things don't go well tonight. Thanks for the suggestion! Also, Ensie tested negative for FeLV and FIV, so she's been let into the general population in the house. She is a very happy kitty! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 11:12:42 AM Subject: Re: Ensie/Dosing tips for Flagyl/Fecal tips I've always used Flagyl tablets so have no experience with a liquid or gell - course you've for a feral there, so you can't easily do tablets and they taste bad ... anyhow you might talk to the druggist about compounding it in chicken flavor or something? Course if he/she is feral, how do you get the liquid down? Another thought - One vet gave me panacur and I use it quite a bit - its' liquid and not as repulsive to my cats as Flagyl, apparently. I did 1cc for 3 days. so shorter term than Flagyl. Might ask your vet about that... Gloria On Nov 11, 2007, at 11:03 AM, wendy wrote: Hi guys, I hope this post finds you all well. We finally got Ensie, my grandmother's feral from NC diagnosed correctly. They weren't doing the fecal right at the vets, and finally we got a fill-in vet who not only did the float, but also did another procedure that I can't remember. I think it involved a smear and slide, but not sure. Anyway, the vet said that Ensie had no more roundworms, as she did when we first brought her back to Texas, but that she had two other issues: Mega-bacteria and cyclospores, or something like that, which is what is causing her diarrhea. She said she's never seen bacteria that large before. She also said Ensie had zero good bacteria, or flora I think she called it, in her stomach. So she prescribed Flagyl and Bene-Bac. I gave Ensie her first dose this morning of the Flaygyl and she went nuts. She did NOT like it at all. And the stuff is cherry flavored! What are they thinking? Do cats like cherry flavoring? lol. So I wondered if any of you had any good ideas for dosing liquid cherry flavored Flagyl to your kitties? I am thinking it won't go over in tuna, but maybe something else??? Thanks for any advice! :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Ang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 1:37:47 PM Subject: Autumn and Diarrhea Hey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terribl
Re: Teddy Please add to the CLS
Sherry, I'm so sorry to hear that you've lost sweet Teddy. I know how difficult is to lose them. Gloria On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: We lost sweet Teddy today.He will be missed very much Sherry Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Interferon Question
Hi Gary, Never heard of that for interferon alpha. LIke Lance said, maybe it's for VO. I can't see the harm for a diabetic cat. But my experience with FELV cats is that they can look so great, then turn symptomatic, and in my experience theres not much that can be done when they're symptomatic, at least for the young ones that I've had. So I'd probably try it out. I remember when I got Calawalla Banana and she was about 6 months to a year. She looked so healthy and hearty. Then at 2.5 yr she developed lymphoma and nothing we did would touch it. I'd wished I'd had her on interferon prior to her being symptomatic. (The interferon alpha protocol I use is a daily dose - not the on and off.) On the other hand, I now have 2 FELV cats that are over 10, and 1 that's 4-5. Go figure. They were over the magic age of 3 when I got them, so it's nothing I've done that's kept them going... Good luck, Gloria On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:26 PM, gary wrote: First time I've ever heard of that protocol. Mostly I've heard 7 days on and seven days off because they can develop an immunity to the human interferon alpha. Can't see why it would harm a diabetic cat. However, that's just a guess on my part. Gary - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Interferon Question Got this from a friend, anyone know or heard anything about this?? I have a feline interferon question. If you don't know the answer, would you mind asking the group? I followed the prophylactic regimen recommended in studies for asymptomatic felv+ cats, which is every day for five days in three runs starting the 1st, 14th, and 60th days. This regimen in studies seems to double cats' chances of being alive a year later. I gave it to Patches this past February. I have another batch of feline interferon and am wondering when to give it to her again. None of the studies I have say anything about repeating it, or when to do so. Do you know? Also, I can't find anything on whether it is ok to give to diabetic cats. Any idea?
Re: Interferon Question
I'm so glad your Dixie is doing well!! I haven't read about it, but in my experience when I have gotten young FELV cats/kittens, they tend to decline and die at age 2.5 to 3 yrs old. If I get another one that young, I intend to put it on daily interferon and see if we can make it thru that stage! I do know someone who has had their FELV cat thru the age of 3 - has had her on daily interferon. Kitty does great, is probably 5 or 6 now...? I have one FEV cat now that's just made it past 3 - name is BB. I acquired him recently, when he was about 4. He's healthy and happy. I have two others that are over 10, but that's a different story :) I don't know what it is about that age - whether it's the type of FELV that they have or what. Gloria On Nov 15, 2007, at 1:26 AM, Marylyn wrote: I've heard several people refer to 3 as the magic age. Exactly what do you mean? I am unsure of Dixie's age but she has been with me for almost 3 years now and is as healthy as she can be most of the time. Just normal minor problems except for the teeth and that seems to be ok now. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Interferon Question Hi Gary, Never heard of that for interferon alpha. LIke Lance said, maybe it's for VO. I can't see the harm for a diabetic cat. But my experience with FELV cats is that they can look so great, then turn symptomatic, and in my experience theres not much that can be done when they're symptomatic, at least for the young ones that I've had. So I'd probably try it out. I remember when I got Calawalla Banana and she was about 6 months to a year. She looked so healthy and hearty. Then at 2.5 yr she developed lymphoma and nothing we did would touch it. I'd wished I'd had her on interferon prior to her being symptomatic. (The interferon alpha protocol I use is a daily dose - not the on and off.) On the other hand, I now have 2 FELV cats that are over 10, and 1 that's 4-5. Go figure. They were over the magic age of 3 when I got them, so it's nothing I've done that's kept them going... Good luck, Gloria On Nov 14, 2007, at 5:26 PM, gary wrote: First time I've ever heard of that protocol. Mostly I've heard 7 days on and seven days off because they can develop an immunity to the human interferon alpha. Can't see why it would harm a diabetic cat. However, that's just a guess on my part. Gary - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Interferon Question Got this from a friend, anyone know or heard anything about this?? I have a feline interferon question. If you don't know the answer, would you mind asking the group? I followed the prophylactic regimen recommended in studies for asymptomatic felv+ cats, which is every day for five days in three runs starting the 1st, 14th, and 60th days. This regimen in studies seems to double cats' chances of being alive a year later. I gave it to Patches this past February. I have another batch of feline interferon and am wondering when to give it to her again. None of the studies I have say anything about repeating it, or when to do so. Do you know? Also, I can't find anything on whether it is ok to give to diabetic cats. Any idea?
Re: Question about URI contagion
If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI. Gloria On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the "condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements. He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other! He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal. I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh). So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle now? He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting. He does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac). I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly. I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, & showing no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play- time, or should I wait longer? Thanks, Caroline Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. Play Now!
Re: We are having issues
I don't know, just thinking do you think it would help to cage her for a few days, with the other cats around? Perhaps keeping on the clonicalm...? Gloria On Nov 17, 2007, at 5:20 AM, catatonya wrote: I'm having very similar issues with a male attacking 3 of my other cats. I just try to lock him up when I can. I have also given him clonicalm.. but that hasn't really seemed to help. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, guys. I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my wit's end. Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a "friendly" type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. : ( They never really "liked" each other, but the last few months it has gotten progressively worse. To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the bedroom. She was pooping/peeing under the bed. And I know it was just because she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom. We finally had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water. What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, but one always jumps the other. They can't even pass in the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do. There doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase. All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and they're off. I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her. Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom. Any of you guys had any success with behavior modification? I welcome any thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past. Poppy, the third one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part. I've seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. :( Penny and Poppy do well together most of the time (they both sleep in my bed at night). Any ideas? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
Thanks for the info. I'm not reading FELVtalk that much lately, but I think unless these are FELV cats, this sort of thing is pretty Off Topic, controversial, and better for a different list, I'd think. Best of luck, Gloria On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Hello, just thought you would like to see this. Please click onto www.austinhumanesociety.org and www.shadowcats.net if you REALLY want to help the cats. Susan DuBose Sheila Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I attended the hearings today. I saw the video and listened to the court testimony. The video showed the contents of her house. Formed fecal material along with diarrhea and other elimination products coated the house. I have never witnessed anything such as what I saw today. The house was filthy, trash, litter, something you see on Animal Cops and nothing I can ever get you to visualize with mere words. I do not think you could walk two steps without walking in stool. It was everywhere. On the stair steps, on just about every surface you could see. The video showed many cats, most with obvious URI and /or other illnesses. There was an obese cat under the sink, who later (it was testified) “drank for several minutes when it was offered water and drug itself on its belly to get to the food offered it when it was taken to Town Lake. The cat died during the night and was found dead the next morning” Lab results showed the cat died from hepatic lipidosis. It left TLAC seven weeks ago at 23 pounds and was found to be at 18 pounds on intake at this time. The only water available to it according to testimony was the filthy water in the toilet which the cat was too weak to get to. (This cats name I believe was Mia) The dead cat in the closet was said to be there aprox two months according to expert witness. The animal was barely identifiable and had melded into the carpet and was completely desiccated. When told of the findings in her closet, according to testimony, Kelly Saveika said, “ I wondered what happened to that cat…” I could go on and on and on, but suffice to say, this was horrendous. This is not about a messy house, or things getting a little out of control. This is about a horrendous situation where animals suffered and died. This is about animals that lived in a situation that was enabled by anyone that knew about this and said nothing. I am SO sick of rescue people that defend rescue people and blame everyone else for the situation they created. WHO is speaking for the animals?. I would honestly rather see these animals humanely euthanized than to live in the conditions I saw them living in. For people to blame TLAC for this is ludicrous. I personally do not want to hear one more person say “poor Kelly” or hear how the Rescue community supports this org. All I can think of is who was with that poor cat as it lay dying? Who supported Willa Anyone who sat through that video and can still justify what they saw, well…… Unfortunately the judge allowed her to keep three of her personal cats. This is not gossip or rumor. This is part of the testimony presented today and is part of a public record. Sheila And this. Can you believe this (portion after Jerry's quote)? Kelley Saveika is positioning herself as an "expert" less than 48 hours after her hearing! I assume she was convicted of animal cruelty because they confiscated her "rescue" cats... She says, among other things, "I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no kill." This from a woman who had a dead cat in her closet for two months and a cat dying from neglect under her sink? She makes my skin crawl - Original Message - From: Kelley To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: [centraltexasrescue] Re: Attention all Texas rescuers! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Jerry Dunham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 18 Nov 2007 at 7:36, Toni Liguori wrote: > > > Unfortunately, I think that to get the city to listen at all, Nathan's name > > has to be completely omitted from any proposal. > > I think that's an excellent idea. His proposals are winners, but the man > himself is so confrontational that his presence immediately polarizes any > discussion. We need to press for the programs and leave the personalities > out of it. > > There are some other people who are not so polarizing who are making great strides. Barbara Carr's shelter in Erie County NY killed only 88 cats and 0 dogs last year. She has an amazing offsite adoption program. I think I mentioned this before but I study these things and go to conferences to learn how to get to no kill, or very very close to no
Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI?
And... are you using Lysine? Amoxi gets the bacteria, and Lysine gets the Herpes virus, if that's the initial cause... Gloria On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: What if you have a bottle of powdered Amoxi that you are mixing with water? What is the dosage per pound of body weight? Just want to triple check that I am dosing my cats right... Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:29:51 -0600 I hope I am confused about your numbers. Let's see if I got this right. You say you put a 250mg capsule into 2.5 cc of water right? The you give the cat 10 cc (or is that 1.0 cc) of this so, that's 1000mg and you give this twice a day for a total of 2000mg a day? If so, WOW that is a LOT of amoxicillin. Recommended dosage for a cat is 50mg (5-10mg per pound) once a day, that would be .5 cc (point 5cc) once a day for 50 mg if a 250mg cap is disolved in 2.5cc of water. Be sure to shake this very well before taking up the dose to be given as it sometimes seperates very quickly in water. Here is a link to pfizer with dosages of their Amoxi-tabs. http://www.pfizerah.com/PAHimages/compliance_pdfs/US_EN_A5_compliance.pdf Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? See, this is why this stuff confuses me. (fish stuff). I get a 250 ml caplet and compound it in 2.5 cc of water. Then I give the cat 10 cc 2x per day (for a 10 pound cat, dosing it down for kittens) . That's not 50 mg. On Nov 19, 2007 2:36 AM, gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think my first try would be the amoxicillin. If you are using the stuff you can buy for fish without a script be careful to dose it down, usual dose for cats is 50mg a day of amoxicillin for 5 to 7 days. If there is no improvement in 5 days, it isn't working. Gary - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Amoxicillin vs Cephalexin for URI? Does anyone have a preference? I have access to both. Thanks! Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up!
Re: OT .. Re: FELV- cat, throwing up....input/suggestions?
Any more symptoms? How's the breathing? Does he eat? You've already gotten some good suggestions. Perhaps try the piece of Pepcid AC (or Zantac). Dont' however get the one with other stuff in it (no pepto bismal, of course). Sure hope he's doing better! Gloria On Nov 21, 2007, at 9:36 PM, Tracy Weese wrote: Here are the basics: Freckles was fine over the weekend and even until Monday mid-day, then he starts throwing up (clear vomit, not yellow or bloody, a little sticky like mucus) and does so about once every 4-8 hours, through that night. Call vet Tuesday a.m., they could not fit us in and so we went this a.m. He had no temp. and did not appear to be in pain or too depressed although it was clear he is not himself, less playful and more just sitting around. The vomiting continued Tuesday and so by this a.m., I am not sure when he last ate/drank, but he did pee in the litter box. He was NOT dehydrated and not yellow. X-rays did not show any obvious obstruction but there was a tiny spot that might need to be explored further if things don’t improve. We were thinking he may have swallowed something that was stuck in his tummy, even a large hair ball which was making him vomit and not be hungry. He got an injection to address the throwing up, it may take 24 hours to really kick in and then I have pills to give him throughout tomorrow. Vet sent home ID food which is easy on the tummy in the hopes that once the omitting stops, we can start him on a bland diet to get him eating again. He threw up once when he got home and has mostly just slept, and is still not interested in food. So of course, I am worried sick. Freckles is approx. 2, very healthy and friendly normally. He is FELV-. I am looking for hints, suggestions, words of encouragement. My vet said he has seen this before and so he is not as worried as me, but.if he is not better by Friday a.m., he goes back. I am always prepared to take him to an emergency vet if things get worse, but my vets, who have known Freckles most of his life and last saw him a few months ago for routine stuff, seem confident this is not going to have a sad ending. I have lost 3 cats to FELV recently, and so they know how important this is to me right now. Tracy
Re: Louisa Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry, Sherry. Gloria On Dec 4, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: Louisa was one of our Hurricane Katrina kitties.Sadly we lost her yesterday.She will be missed. Sherry Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge
I understand, and I'm so sorry. Thank you for writing the loving note to us, about Julie's last day and about her blessed life. Gloria On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:04 PM, wendy wrote: Hello everyone, It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. She was purring and happy when it happened and she passed peacefully. She was my beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a charmed life and was spoiled to no end. She was a very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to anyone or to any fellow animal ever. Her little body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and after this last week, I knew it was time. It was such a difficult decision to make though. Part of me felt like it was not my place to make that decision; after all I did not create her life. The other part knew that I could never let her suffer the way my Cricket did when he died from FeLV-related anemia. I knew it would be a matter of days for her and I wanted her to pass without suffering. I took off work to spend the day with her and she had a great day, even being as weak as she was. She enjoyed being outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day. I just want to thank everyone here for your help and encouragment with all my kitties and for being such great listeners. You all are wonderful people. Sincerely, Wendy Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique
Wow, I've been in this group for for about 6 years, and always thought it was a great group, and so supportive, helped me thru the first years of having a beloved FELV cat. Perhaps this is just not the right group for Unusually Unique, so best of luck with finding what's right for you. Gloria On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Well, I wish you wouldn't leave Unusually Unique. We've already lost SO many people. I've stuck it out and I just ignore the fights that go on on this site because I still believe in "the greater good"- that this list serve can provide good and necessary info, despite the recent animosity. -Caroline Subject: unsubscribing info for Unusually Unique Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:44:34 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, see below instructions re unsubscribing etc. (These are sent on the 1st of every month, in case you still have your email -- if you do, you'll be able to click directly to unsubscribe. Otherwise there are contact addresses given below) Asking the list doesn't work because listmembers can't do it for you (otherwise I daresay a few folks would be bouncing back and forth interminably) and as far as I know it's not moderated continuously. At any rate, the info below should do the trick. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:01 AM Subject: felineleukemia.org mailing list memberships reminder This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your felineleukemia.org mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. In addition to the URL interfaces, you can also use email to make such changes. For more info, send a message to the '-request' address of the list (for example, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) containing just the word 'help' in the message body, and an email message will be sent to you with instructions. If you have questions, problems, comments, etc, send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Unusually Unique Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael How do I unsubscribe from this Merry-Go-Round? I'm sick of reading about you people slapping at each other. _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Power up!
Re: Salvatore
Many prayers coming for Salvatore - wonderful boy! Gloria On Dec 9, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: hi all I need to ask for massive prayers for our sweet Sal,jen fears that he is becoming septic.She is doing all that she can right now for him.he has been through so much already,poor baby.He is a big sweet beautiful orange and white boy.Please add him to your prayers and good thoughts.We have lost so many this year to these aweful diseases.Thank you all so much!! Sherry Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing... I agree, this OT topic should be closed !!
I agree. Glenda, this is so inappropriate for this list. This is an inflammatory issue that does *not* belong on our FELVtalk list, I think everyone else understands this. This is a Feline Leukemia list, and that's a very clear boundary. I think FELVtalk has always been lenient about OT topics, which is great, but you're not even masking it as OT. The problem is it's a disagreement between folks, and can only serve to alienate folks and create hostility on this list, and we need the list for FELV topics that are going to help FELV cats and their people. If we can't understand this voluntarily, let's get James, the moderator, involved. Gloria On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote: The way to cool it down is to tell people the topic is closed, place anyone who doesn't understand "closed" on moderated status, and delete posts on the topic. Unfortunately this sort of nastiness is why groups need moderators. Sometimes things get out of hand and someone has to step in and take charge of the situation. Lance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: James wouldn't be the first moderator to do that. Michael has tried to cool it down on one of the Yahoo! lists, but apparently a few people have an overwhelming compulsion to keep this going. I'd say that's a pretty sad situation as well, considering that they obviously have lots of energy, and they could take that and devote it all to taking care of cats instead siphoning off some to beat dead horses. That's how it goes, I guess. Lance On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:09:19 -0800 (PST), "Susan Hoffman" said: > And why is it on this list? > > I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It > has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. > > MaryChristine wrote: > glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things > that are supposedly private communications to me? > > > On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > --- > > > > From: Sheila Smith > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' > > Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. > > > > I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let > > it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you > > are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed > > the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC > > in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that > > suffered and died in the name of "rescue"? Years of > > being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was > > the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the > > animals. > > > > I thought if there are still any open minded > > people still left on this list you would like to > > know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we > > rescued. > > Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) > > I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, > > six are going to barn placement, two will go to > > Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and > > are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition > > and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) > > according to their veterinarian- although their > > prognosis is now good. > > > > On another note, I really do hope you all do go > > back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this > > group must have had great focus at one time- I > > joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt > > I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive > > experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands > > participation in national boards. etc. I was > > excited to hear from other people across the country > > that had experience with feline leukemia. > > I really do hope the very best for all of you and > > I hope you all do really good things for the animals > > in your care. I hope you all will remember this > > though. You are the animals advocate. You are not > > the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. > > While we all wish good things for the caretakers and > > we worry about anyone burning out and we offer > > mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are > > multiple resources for people. There are nurses, > > doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name > > it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only > > YOU. > > > > You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in > > the closets- no one else will. > > > > Best, > > > > Sheila Smith > > www.shadowcats.net > > Austin, Tx > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > -- > > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > > AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats > MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 289856892 -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Archives
I certainly agree with that. Fiv is easy - I have several FIV cats, that never get sick. Well, I have 1 that's just turned diabetic, but other than that, no problem. I mix them with my non-FIV cats, no problem. FIP, another question, like she said. They can test for FIV/FELV in- house, so I'm wondering why they didnt do that. The FIP test is really for the corona virus, which, like she said, is pretty common among cats, especially shelter cats, it's just that in some cats it mutates and causes FIP. Gloria On Dec 25, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi Caroline, I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV. FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to. One of my vets puts the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound. So please DO NOT worry about contagion if the cat has FIP. It is a mutation. In the past it was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which in and of itself means basically nothing. There is a good webinar about FIP on the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas listening to a webinar on FIP. But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious. Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has been exposed to coronavirus. FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV. It is mostly transmitted through tomcats fighting and/or cats mating. If this is a tomcat and he has been fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your household I would absolutely not worry. THe other thing about FIV is that there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will always test + for FIV. There's a seperate test that purports to determine if the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure. You don't say how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until about 6 months. IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you there. A little ooziness is normal. I may actually have follow up instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check. Feel free to call me if you like. On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: I can't access the Archives. I keep trying and I keep getting an error message. It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to send this email. Anyone else tried? I'd really like to get to the Archives because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course). Took him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very concerned about "infectious disease." Thank god- but I think he was shocked that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just got my hands on this cat and have been playing "clean-up duty" since the end of Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very very difficult. I didn't mince words. It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I guess. The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv in that order. I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats (my own opinion). But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I ever even took in any cats. So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time. I'm mad and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to get approval without being told things like "well, if it would make YOU feel better...but I think you are ov
