Re: [Felvtalk] My Mickey

[Sally Davis]

Viky

I am so very sorry. You are such a good mommy.  He is free of his pain.

Sally

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Viky Digangi wrote:

> In October I joined the group requesting information on hemangio sarcoma
> which my felv cat was diagnosed with.  Everything I read was bad.  He had
> the first tumor removed on 10-13-08.  It came back this time two tumors and
> they were removed on 1-6-09. This surgery was very, very difficult on him to
> get over.  Then on 2-13-09 the vet discovered it had come back even more
> rapidly than the first time.  x-rays showed nothing in the lungs or spleen
> but the liver was hard to see though not enlarged.  This past Monday he
> stopped eating and drinking and I knew it was time.  The next morning  I
> took my heart disguised as a little 7 pound black and white angel to the vet
> for the final time.  The night before I laid him on the bed next to me and
> he stared into my face purring for hours.  The cancer had spread to his
> liver and I knew I could not stand for him be in pain.   Before I took him
> to the vet I wrapped him in his cat blanket and walked him all over the yard
> so he could see his ducks and feel the air on his face.  He loved to be
> outside.   So from start to finish he lived 19 weeks from diagnosis.  This
> is a deadly, aggressive cancer and I hope none of you experience it with
> your babies.   I had my little man for 8 years and 7 months and they were
> worth every minute.
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Adoption

[Sally Davis]

Hi Jenny

That is so great of you to offer. I hope Mike gets back to you. I actually
mixed my positive and negative after a short period apart. The negatives
were vaccinated. There had already been exposure in my case. It was less
stressful for all the cats. I have 11 now. I think I had 9 then but new ones
kept showing up. They get dumped here.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Acemannan

[Sally Davis]

I forgot the link

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience/

there are several FIV groups. You will need a intro to the moderator Joel.
Just explain your needs and you have an FELV cat. There are other members
from this group on that list.


On 2/25/09, Sally Davis  wrote:
>
> If you search the groups archives you will see posts from Hideyo, who used
> to be a member on this group. It appears she had some luck with this drug
> reversing severe anemia. You may want to join the yahoo FIV group and it is
> a very technical group when it comes to treatment. You do not need to have
> an FIV cat to join. Some treatments overlap and They will welcome you with
> your FELV cat.
>
> I had luck with immunoregulin reversing anemia.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Sally
>
>
>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Acemannan

[Sally Davis]

If you search the groups archives you will see posts from Hideyo, who used
to be a member on this group. It appears she had some luck with this drug
reversing severe anemia. You may want to join the yahoo FIV group and it is
a very technical group when it comes to treatment. You do not need to have
an FIV cat to join. Some treatments overlap and They will welcome you with
your FELV cat.

I had luck with immunoregulin reversing anemia.

Good Luck

Sally



>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Transfusion

[Sally Davis]

Hi Dawn

I am so happy for you. I hope this will get her over the hump. I will keep
her and you in my prayers.

Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

[Sally Davis]

Stefania,

I should never answer in a hurry. I was headed out the door. I hope you
could understand what I was saying. I meant to say supportive care not
cats...lol Although supportive cats would be ok.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Sally Davis  wrote:

> Stefania
>
> My story is very similiar to yousr. I too adopted a shelter cat who as it
> turned out was positive for FIV/FELV. I think he was the source of infection
> in my cats and I wound up with 4 cats dying. I am so sorry to hear this.
> Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. I do not blame my
> shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death there. Animal
> control picks up unwanted strays here. They do not have funds to test.
>
> Sally
>
>
>



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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

[Sally Davis]

Stefania

My story is very similiar to yousr. I too adopted a shelter cat who as it
turned out was positive for FIV/FELV. I think he was the source of infection
in my cats and I wound up with 4 cats dying. I am so sorry to hear this.
Give them suppotive cats good food and lots of love. I do not blame my
shelter as it was animal control and his fate was death there. Animal
control picks up unwanted strays here. They do not have funds to test.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] PCR test reliability

[Sally Davis]

I am certainly not diagnosing your cat. In humans a smooth tongue is a
symptom of anemia. Anemia is common in FELV cats. Are her gums pale? I had
severe anemia and my tongue was very sore as well. Could be why  she is not
grooming it hurts.

Just a though.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Juno Please add to the CLS :(

[Sally Davis]

Hi Sherry

I just want to thank you for all you do for these kitties. They know they
are loved.

Hugs

Sally



> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: FW: Warning from Police

[Sally Davis]

I am catching up on emails so if someone already posted this link, I
apologise.

>From Snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list

[Sally Davis]

Belinda,

Thanks you so much. It means so much for me to see these memorials.

Sally


On 2/4/09, Belinda Sauro  wrote:
>
>   Hi Sally,
>  Yes the CLS is updated, I think I have kitty I have gotten so far this
> year.  You can see previous years too.
>
> --
>
> Belinda
> happiness is being owned by cats ...
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list

[Sally Davis]

I am here too. Things are quiet at my house. Now that I do not have any FELV
cats left. I am coming up on Junior's anniversery next month. Has the CLS
been updated? The last time I checked it was the end of December since it
was updated. I do realize it takes a person to do this, maybe Belinda.
Anyway I hope all is well for her.

Sally


On 2/3/09, James G Wilson  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> Just testing the list since there's been no activity since
> Saturday. Here's hoping that everyone is doing well.
> Best wishes to all.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: My Mother went to the Rainbow Bridge

[Sally Davis]

Terrie

I am so sorry . May she soar high above the clouds with all those animals
that she and you helped through the years. May your babies give you strength
to get though this.

I fear the day my mom passes. She is my rock.

Hugs

Sally in VA
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Re: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Where in Wisconsin?  If it is Milwaukee County, give me a holler.  I have had 
so many problems with our DA and would be glad to add this to my list when I 
gripe to the Mayor, County Supervisor, and Governor.

"> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> jb...@tds.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Could anyone help?
> 
> You are a wonderful group of people with knowledge and
> connections that are
> fantastic.  For that reason, I would like to ask for
> anyone's help or
> suggestions.
> 
> There is a 'non-kill', all volunteer animal shelter
> in my community that is
> run by a 75 year old horder and her husband (the
> treasurer).  The facility
> is horrendous condition.  Feces, urine and vomit cover the
> floors, walls and
> cages.  Medical care is all but ignored, disease runs
> through the facility.
> In fact they have felv and are ignoring it.  I have taken
> four felv positive
> cats out of there in less than a year.  Three have died.
> 
> Many, many, many complaints have been made to the
> sheriff's department, only
> recently did we get them to present something to the
> DA's office, but they
> will not press charges.  
> 
> These are bad people running this facility and the animals
> suffer badly at
> their hands.  They claim to be a poor facility that
> can't afford to change
> the situation, but own 1.7 million in personal property and
> have recently
> received $34,000 in donations with no change in the
> facility.  They owe the
> government, the vet and many others.  There is deceit, poor
> management and
> constant animal suffering.  Does anyone know a lawyer that
> would be willing
> to help.  The facility is in Wisconsin.
> 
> We have involved HSUS, PETA, ALDF, the sheriff's
> department, the town board,
> local humane officer.  Noone can get in to shut the place
> down.  There must
> be some law that can help.  Please help us help these
> animals.  The stories
> are horrendous and never ending.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jenny 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Further update on Tofu cont'd

[Sally Davis]

You are right about the Felv being worse than FIV. I think precaustions
would be about the same. There is another group and FIV group that has files
on double positives. You may want to join that group as well. There are
several people who were on this group and now on that group as well. Thanks
you for taking this cat into your life.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience/

Sally


On 1/26/09, Emily Hunter  wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, my mom was talking at me and I accidently hit "send" - anyway, I was
> going to say that from what I've read, it seems like the felv may be worse
> to deal with than the fiv, and that the precautions for both are about the
> same. If anyone knows anything different, please share!
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia & AZT

[Sally Davis]

Hi Graca

You may want to join the FIV healthscience group on yahoo. They have a file
folder regarding the use of AZT in FELV and FIV cats. Here is the link to
the group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience You will
have to write an into to the group  moderator. You do not have to have an
FIV cat to join, just say I referred you if you want.

Sally

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Graca Azevedo  wrote:

>
> Dear All,
>
> I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to
> list a few days ago.  I do apologize.  I am writing from Brazil, have two
> rescued cats.  One of them is Felv+.  He has been treated on AZT and
> interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he
> has anemia.  Two vets have examined him.  One said that I should stop with
> the AZT and the other advised to continue.  I failed to find on the mail
> archives any report on cats being treated with AZT.
> I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say.
>
> Regards,
>
> Graça Azevedo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia

[Sally Davis]

Your are welcome..Good luck

Sally


On 1/18/09, Graca Azevedo  wrote:
>
> Thank you for all your help, Sally.  And health for your and your family.
>
> Graça Azevedo
>
> --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis  escreveu:
>
> De: Sally Davis 
> Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
> Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 17:48
>
> Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult
> your vet about dosage. Just a thought.
>
> Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia

[Sally Davis]

Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult
your vet about dosage. Just a thought.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia

[Sally Davis]

Graca

You are welcome, This particular parasite never goes away he could have had
it a long time abd stress could bring it on. it sounds like you are on the
right road. Is Didico getting any iron supplements?

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia

[Sally Davis]

Hemobartenella, comes from a flea bite. Cats with feline leukemia are
particularliy succeptible. Here is a link explaining

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1692&S=1&SourceID=42

Hope kitty feels better soon.

Sally


On 1/17/09, Graca Azevedo  wrote:
>
> Sally,
>
> Thank you very much for sharing your experience.   Maybe my cat got
> hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies
> last month.  He does not like going out.  Today he had a blood test and a
> radiography.  I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and
> prednisone.
>
> All the best.
>
> Graça Azevedo
>
> --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis  escreveu:
>
> De: Sally Davis 
> Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
> Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16
>
> HI Graca
>
> I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has
> hemobartenella, which often causes  amemia in feline leukemia infected
> cats.
> They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat
> has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a
> transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would
> advise the transfusion.  My cat was treated for this in the beginning and
> was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems.
>
> Best of luck
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia

[Sally Davis]

HI Graca

I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has
hemobartenella, which often causes  amemia in feline leukemia infected cats.
They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat
has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a
transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would
advise the transfusion.  My cat was treated for this in the beginning and
was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems.

Best of luck

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl please add CLS

[Sally Davis]

Tonya

I started to answer this and I am using a laptop, new to me. I am already a
terrible typist so somehow the whole response got deleted before i could
send it. Drat,

Anyway I will always look for the why. I think a friend of mine gave me a
reassuring one for why.

She said Baby Girl was obviously older than we thought. She had no teeth
except for a canine.

My friend a vet assistant and former nurse, she say probably one of three
things.

Toxin, doubtful as I think her death would have been sooner. We are under
strict guidelines for storage and use of pesticides.

Heart disease, and underlying symptoms

Thrombosis and in conjunction w/heart disease. I think likely. It hit her
very suddenly. She had blood coming out of her mouth right before she died.

She had a good six years with us and will always be missed.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Benny

[Sally Davis]

April,

I am so sorry to hear that Benny has left you. You did your best and he
loves you for that. I feel your pain.

Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl please add CLS

[Sally Davis]

Hi diane

They are very shrewd where I am employed. They made the furlough short
enough so it does not qualify for unemployment. I do believe things will
pick up again, but I am preparing for another career. I am getting ready to
take a certificate program in Medical billing and coding. Of course right
now no one is hiring but when it breaks loose, I hope to change fields. I am
only 55 :-).

Thanks

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl please add CLS

[Sally Davis]

Thanks Gloria..

The place I work is in a bit of an uproar.. call it "the economy"

Some of us have been "laid off" including a good Friend of mine.

We all had our hours cut..I live paycheck to paycheck like many.. so a 12.5%
cut was too much

Now they are telling us we have to take a week w/o pay off, DO WHAT

Plus the board met again yesterday and every time they meet something else
goes down

I had worried about our sweet girl if somehow we close.. She now has a
permanent home in heaven. I wonder if she picked up on our stress. Maybe her
recent friendliness was to comfort us. It certainly did. She will me missed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl please add CLS

[Sally Davis]

Hi Diane,

Thanks. I saw Pat today and gave her a hug. She is not the hugging type, but
she is having a hard time, and doesn;t want to befriend any of the cats. She
is feeding another cat a Tuxedo male. I think Baby Girl kept him away but I
think he will come closer now. He too has been TNR. He still needs to be
fed.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl please add CLS

[Sally Davis]

HI Sherry

She actually visited me last night. She was telling me it was alright and
she was ok. It spooked my cats though, I heard a loud meow, and truly I am
not sure it came from any of my cats. Three of them were on my bed and all
were wide eyed what was that look on their face. I cannot say that the meow
came from any of them. Maybe she spoke though one of them.  I cannot believe
she is gone. She had lost all her teeth except one. The vet said she was in
good body condition. Whatever took her it was very fast. She knows she was
loved. I hope she was able to visit Pat as well. I have her pawprint to give
to Pat. She is the lady who bought her food, canned food at that.

Thanks.

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[Felvtalk] Baby Girl please add CLS

[Sally Davis]

Please add sweet Baby Girl to the CLS if possible she was not positive but
had 7 good years as a Feral cat next to where I work.

Here is what happened:


Yesterday I noticed the cat at work (a TNR feral) named Baby Girl was not
feeling good. She has had a URI on and off, but never seemed affected by
her. This time she was not eating and even allowed me to touch her. Normally
she would have swatted me. We discussed taking her to the ER but we did not
have a way to catch her or anything to put her in and it was closing. Today
before I even got to work Pat, who is really Baby Girls momma with the help
of another girl caught her. She had not eaten any food left for her
yesterday. So Angel first went to a vet that is one street over from us.
They could not see her gave names of other vets. I already decided to call
my vet who is also close. She could not be seen until 3:30 first . She was
in distress and I had noticed she was cold to the touch although she was
kept by a heater all day.

I drive her to Junior's vet. Since she is feral I also notified the guy,
Phil who looks after her colony. She is only one of 3 or 4 cats that hang
out next to us. He said they would probably test her for FELV in fact he
wanted her tested. They vet had a hard time getting blood she was so wek she
did not fight. Her temp was 94. The vet though she would test positive but
she was negative for FELV and FIV. She had pnuemonia and was now coughing
blood and she was shutting down. The vet was sure she was dying
and euthanized her. Of course it was  a heart stick and I decided I did not
need to watch. It was over before I even was out of the room. The test came
back after she was pts. I called Phil to let him know. He will adopt out any
who are adoptable and has kept many cats himself.

Anyway I will miss Baby Girl. She was just getting freindly after 6 years
and would rub up against all that she used to run away from. The vet was
so kind she is going to bury her in her yard . She is now an Angel.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Hello - New to the group

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Hi, Jenny.  Wisconsin Humane Society will, indeed, euthanize FeLV cats/kittens. 
 They tested a litter I rescued, told me they were positive and asked if I 
wanted to come and get them or if they should euthanize them.  Thanks to this 
group, I retrieved the kittens.  Only one was positive.  Again, thanks to this 
group, my vet re-tested and they were all negative.  I placed 3 and kept 1 - 
they are 4 months old and healthy, happy, and thriving.  To think the Humane 
Society would have killed them all!!!

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--- On Mon, 1/12/09, jb...@tds.net  wrote:

> From: jb...@tds.net 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello - New to the group
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: "Sally Davis" 
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 9:53 AM
> Hello.
> 
> My name is Jenny.  I recently found out about this group
> and am so glad it exists.  I really need any help or support
> any of you could give.  There is a terrible shelter in West
> Bend WI that a group of us are trying to get shut down. 
> Unfortunately, feline leukemia is running through the
> shelter and the manager refuses to acknowledge it. 
> Therefore healthy cats and kittens are coming in,
> contracting the virus, getting adopted and spreading it to
> other household cats.  Many of the cats there are
> symptomatic and slowly dying without veterinary care or
> support.
> 
> So here is what I would like to ask you. 
> 
> 1.  If indeed we are able to shut the facility down we will
> have probably about 30 fel leuk cats and kittens we will
> need to fine homes for.  Any suggestions on how to go about
> that.
> 
> 2.  Have any of you had any luck with conventional or
> alternative medications in either treating the disease or
> the symptoms?  If so, what types of things have you tried?
> 
> I know I am asking a lot but I am afraid that if this
> shelter gets shut down the local humane society will put all
> of these fel leuk positive cats down regardless of
> symptomatology.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks so
> much.
> 
> Jenny Bero
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI-Imulan

[Sally Davis]

I do not have experience because my cat died before this became readily
available :-(.. However reports are good from a Vet's wife on another group.
Her husband is a cat specailist and was originally involved in the studies
for this immune booster. He continues to use it on some of FELV positive
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Re: [Felvtalk] Petsmart FELV webinar

[Sally Davis]

I was not able to find it...

Sally in VA


On 1/1/09, Kelley Saveika  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The prerecorded webinar on FELV done late last year by Petsmart charities
> is
> up.  I have not gotten a chance to listen yet but thought yall would be
> interested.
>
> Here is the link:
>
> https://petsmartcharities.webex.com/mw0305l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=petsmartcharities
>
> Happy New Year to you and your furry babies,
>
> Kelley
>
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>
> http://www.rescuties.org
>
> Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
>
> Check out our Memsaic!
> http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9
>
> http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
>
> Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens medical needs!
>
> http://rescuties.chipin.com/the-friday-night-lights-kittens
>
> "Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say "take  them
> first
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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Please be careful when feeding Tyson products.  Their chickens are loaded with 
steriods!

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--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Chris  wrote:

> From: Chris 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 11:07 AM
> Ingredients off web site
> Chicken Breast Meat, Water, Seasoning ( Salt, Chicken Broth
> and Flavors),
> Modified Food Starch, Sodium Phosphates.
> 
> 
> Christiane Biagi
> Cell:  914-720-6888
> ti...@mindspring.com 
> Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> souther...@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:46 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever
> 
> I just won't give it to him any more.  It's Tyson
> canned chicken breast.  
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV kittens

[Sally Davis]

My Tiny died this way. He was pretty much asymptomatic. Other than initial
treatment he never required antibiotic or all the measures I too for Junior.
On Christmas day 2006 I knew he was not feeling good, but it was not such
that I would have taken him to a vet even if it was a regular day. I spent
some time with him watching TV. He went to sleep on the couch. I left the
room to do some other stuff. I heard a horrible coughting sound, I had heard
from him once before. I moved him thinking he might cough a hairball. This
was a much more violent cough than that.I realized he was not getting air. I
got the tank of oxygen it was empty. His gums were blue at this time the
spasms had stopped. He still appeared to be breathing. I went to get the
concentrator. I got yelled at by ny husband for waking him up. This was 5PM.
I went back to watch the life leave his body. I am told he was probably dead
after the intial couigh, and he most like threw a blood clot.

I am so sorry to hear of your loss. These kittens would have had no life
without you. They know they were loved and will be waiting for you at the
Rainbows Bridge.

 Love and peace

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Re: [Felvtalk] General seems to have a fever

[Sally Davis]

Try baby food meat. Junior loved the turkey, just be sure there is no onion
in it. I forget which brands are appropriate. It has been a while since I
had to entice Junior. Also try the L lysine added to it cause the URI could
be frome the herpes virus and this will help. Be sure he doesn't get
dehydrated either.

I will be praying for the General. I know how hard this is for you.

Sally


On 12/27/08, souther...@aol.com  wrote:
>
> he hasn't eaten again today. he was eating fine the last few days, but
> today
> he didn't eat and he's staying in his bed and really isn't communicating
> with
> anyone, and this is a social cat.  His little nose and his ears are
> warm.  No
> jaundice of his eyes or gums that I can see.  He was sneezing a lot
> yesterday
> and this morning.  Not now.  But he's breathing fine.  he just isn't
> getting
> out of his bed. He's stayed totally in the bed for the last 6 hours I know.
>
>
> My vet isn't open again until Monday.  Is there anything I need to be
> doing?
> Remember I know nothing about cats.  I tried doing some googling, and it
> scared me to death!
>
> Sidney and the General
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FelV kitten

[Sally Davis]

I concur with treating for hemabart even if the test was negative. That is
how Junior was treated and he lived another year and a half. He tested
negative as well but the vet treated as if he was positive for
hemabartenella.

I will be praying for kitty.

Gary I am so sorry to hear things are not going well. You are a wonderful
person to have taken on these babies. I know they give so much.

Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re: keeping them healthy

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When the parvovirus first started to hit dogs, when there were puppies in the 
house we would make everyone who came in spray the bottoms of their shoes with 
a bleach solution we had in a spray bottle on our porch.  Then everyone had to 
take their shoes off and wash their hands thoroughly before handling the 
puppies.

Did it work?  Who knows?  We had no vaccine at the time and I did have 2 
puppies come down with the virus.  But we felt that at least we were killing 
any viruses of any sort that were on the shoes.

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re: keeping them healthy
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: "Pat Kachur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:50 PM
> just saw article in AARP magazine about a new germ that only
> Clorox can kill it.  it is popping up in hospitals all over.
>  said that if go to hospital, make sure all coming into your
> room wash hands throughly with lots of soap and water.  also
> bed rails, etc should all be washed down.  seems lately, we
> can get sicker in hospital than at home.  one lady died from
> it.  dorlis
>  Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > If you are concerned, you could wipe off your shoes
> with some type of "germ 
> > killer" before you come in the house.
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
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> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re: keeping them healthy
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I am at work and I just thought of something. I
> am a nurse and come
> > > in contact with "human" bugs all the
> time. Is it logical for me to
> > > think that I should NOT let ANY of my cats come
> in contact with my
> > > clothes or shoes when I come home? Or are the
> human bugs not a risk
> > > for them.
> > >
> > > They are usually afraid of my white clothes
> anyway (cats are so
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Re: [Felvtalk] Message from new member April

[Sally Davis]

Hi

Regarding immunoregulin, I followed the protocol I on the website.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] B. B. died - please add to the Candlelight service (do we still have one?)

[Sally Davis]

Gloria

I am so sorry B.B. had to leave you so soon. He is in a wonderful happy
place and will be there for you. It sounds like BB had a good couple years
of loving, Thank you for looking after him..

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[Felvtalk] Ittle Bitty

[Sally Davis]

Shaking all over...

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Eric's new camera was able to catch this shot of ittle bitty scratching and
shaking his head. I thought he had photoshopped the picture. It looks
distorted.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lyphoma treatment options

[Sally Davis]

Hi Amanda

I want you to know I am thinking of you and will be praying for your kitty.

Tomorrow is a holiday here. Hopefully someone here who has experience with
lymphoma. I was going to suggest the Feline Lymphoma group, but I see you
just posted there. Those folks are very helpful. I nener dealt with this
disease in my feline leukemia kitties. I joined so I could be ready for
whatever came along.

Hugs,

Sally


On 11/27/08, amanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My 6 year old FeLV cat ( Silver chan) has just been diagnosed with lyphoma
> in the chest, , he has fliud arround his lungs and is breathing faster, but
> that was the only symptom I saw, so I am quite shocked!  I would like to
> know what treatments have helped you kitty`s live longer, they gave me two
> options; Chlorambucil and prednisone, or L-
> Asparaginase/vincristine/prednisone. I had a lyphoma kitty before, I think I
> saw her condition much later, she had lost alot of weight and had the chemo
> with vincristine , but she didn`t do well on it and got amenia and the
> lymphoma came back and she died within two months! So I am very scared,
> especially as my cat now seems well , but I know he needs help with the
> fluid in his chest, the vet drained one side today, but couldn`t get any
> from the other side out. your advice would be greatly appreciated!  Amanda
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTIC/Imulan & Losing kitties

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Amber, I'm sorry to hear about baby Parker.

One thing that everyone needs to keep in mind all the time - every living thing 
on this earth will someday die.  Nobody knows when or how, and to deprive 
ourselves of love and affection even for a day, because of what may or may not 
happen today or tomorrow is a slap in the face to life and love itself.



--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Amber Gilewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Amber Gilewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTIC/Imulan & Losing kitties
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 1:43 PM
> Hello everyone,
> 
>I am new to this listserv, but wanted to thank all of
> you in advance
> for your insights and kindness! I recently adopted 2 FeLV
> positive
> cats, Neo and Parker (1 in April and 1 in September). I
> knew their
> lives would be cut short by the illness, but wanted to give
> them a
> happy, comfortable life before they left this world. 
> 
>  
> 
>   Some friends and family members have given us grief over
> purposely
> adopting these sick kitties. I've heard things to the
> effect of "You'll
> be sad when they die" to "You're keeping a
> healthy cat from having a
> home." But I didn't (and still don't care)
> what the naysayers have to
> say. I know that I'm doing a good service to these cats
> that otherwise
> would be euthanized before they  needed to be or would be
> without a
> loving home. Someone (who was in my corner) told me that
> she worked at
> a shelter once and no one would even play with the FeLV
> cats, let alone
> adopt them. This solidified my belief for the need of
> loving homes of
> these forgotten felines! Their happiness is more important
> than my
> sadness, as profound as it may be. 
> 
>  
> 
>   I'm saddened to report that baby Parker (who we got
> more recently in
> September) died on November 8th. It was a sad death as he
> suddenly
> collapsed and died a couple of hours later in our home. It
> was late at
> night and the emergency vet closest to us was in surgery.
> Other vet
> services were an hour or more away. We saw him take his
> last few
> breaths and wanted to end his suffering sooner (but
> couldn't). But he
> died knowing (hopefully) that he was loved and that he
> didn't die
> alone. He was the sweetest cat ever! :(
> 
>  
> 
>   Our other cat, Neo is doing great! He's not showing
> any symptoms, has
> put on weight since we got him, and has a strong appetite!
> I recently
> read about LTIC/Imulan and told my vet about it. He
> didn't know too
> much about it as it's a newer medication, but I asked
> him to order some
> for Neo. It's quite expensive, but if I would have
> known about it
> sooner I would have tried it on little baby Parker to help
> him. Since
> Neo is quite healthy, I'm not sure what effect it will
> have on him, but
> I'd do anything to keep him as healthy as we can for as
> long as we can.
> I'd be most pleased if anyone tries this with their cat
> and could tell
> me how it works out. Also, did  your cat have any symptoms
> before or
> were they asymptomatic before starting treatment?
> 
>  
> 
>Thanks for reading and for all that you do for your
> beloved cats!
> 
> Amber
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: High Fever

[Sally Davis]

Hi Kerry,

Good to hear from you. It is getting near the anniversary when Tiny and
Bandy went to heaven together. Tiny sent me Junior Junior last Thanksgiving.
He knew that Junior's time here was to be short. It is so bittersweet.
Thanks for all your help.

Hugs,

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Re: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

I have had success mixing a can of tuna with a can of water, then they can lap 
it up.

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--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:12 PM
> I agree with Chrisanything at all that she will eat. 
> Have you tried 
> Prescription Diet AD?  I know that you have already tried
> baby food--but 
> didn't say what flavor.  I have found that ham or
> chicken works best. 
> Sometimes I put some on my finger or on the tip of a small
> teaspoon and put 
> it right in the cat's mouth--or I have even used a
> syringe to "squirt" a 
> little into the cat's mouth.  Hopefully a little start
> will get Bea 
> interested in eating more.
> 
> Wonder if she might like some KMR.
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dawn Morrison"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 5:57 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] After Dental extraction - what to feed
> 
> 
> Bea had her dental surgery on Thursday and everything went
> well. She did 
> have some blood in her urine after she came to and I'll
> be keeping an eye on 
> that. Because of time and 4 teeth that gave the dr a hard
> time only the back 
> teeth were extracted. I wish they could have all been done
> but safety first.
> Yesterday she seemed to eat okay. She was picky on what she
> wanted but she 
> was eating. Today she doesn't really want to eat.
> I've tried just about 
> everything I can think of - wet adult, wet kitten even baby
> food (no 
> onion/tomato) but she's just not interested. She'll
> take a couple of licks 
> and that's it. I know she must be in some discomfort
> even with the pain 
> meds. but I'm not sure what else to try. I have been
> mixing everything with 
> some water to make sure she's at least staying somewhat
> hydrated. As far as 
> I know she hasn't taken a drink from the water bowl
> yet.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions on what else I might get
> her to eat? I know 
> she's hungry because she'll follow me into the
> kitchen and sit in front of 
> where I prepare her food normally.
> 
> Thanks
> Dawn
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] High Fever

[Sally Davis]

My Junior ran fevers as well. In the early stages he was running a
temperature as high as 106.5. Imunlan was not available then to my knowlegde
he was on Immunoregulin. It too is an immune booster, so my thoughth would
be the Imulan should be helping this. Initially he also received fluids.

Sally in VA
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz is gone

[Sally Davis]

Sue

I am so sorry. Buzz knows how much you love him and he will be there

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Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

When my P'Nut tested positive at 8 weeks old, we re-tested at 10 weeks.  
Negative.  My vet said it's not at all unusual to get a false positive on an 
ELISA test, that there are many factors that could cause a kitten/cat to throw 
a false positive - not just being exposed to the virus.

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--- On Wed, 11/19/08, Lisa Borden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Lisa Borden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 6:00 AM
> No, Tonya ... he has no symptoms except for the diarrhea. I
> took him
> to a holistic vet yesterday who started him on some
> homeopathic
> antivirals and DMG. They are also eating a high protein
> food - 46% -
> I know there are higher ones out there but my adult cats
> are VERY
> picky and they all like this one that we have chosen. I
> really like
> the holistic vet. She told me to keep his vaccinations to a
> minimum
> so as to not stress his immune system, and don't
> vaccinate him for
> rabies. And to go ahead and have him neutered when he's
> 6 months old.
> 
> 
>   He's such an adorable, loving, playful, happy kitten!
> And to think I
> could have sent him to the bridge unnecessarily. :(
>  On Wed 19/11/08 5:23 AM , catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> sent:
>   He has already exposed your other cats. they are adults
> and
> vaccinated. there is like a 1% chance they are going to get
> the felv
> from this kitten. Wait about 3 months and retest your
> kitten and you
> may find he is negative after all. cats test positive when
> they have
> been recently exposed. once time has passed they sometimes
> retest
> negative. Keep the faith! Your little one may still fight
> this off.
> Do you see any symptoms besides the diarrhea (which lots of
> kittens
> have!) I also would start shopping around for a more
> educated vet.
>  take care,
>  tonya
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vet

[Sally Davis]

Gary,

You are right about the studies not being long enough. The company is still
testing the drug. It may be possible though your vet to get it as part of a
trial. I have no idea what is involved. I have heard from someone on another
group  that her vet used to be in the trial for immulan and he feels the
drug is useful. He continues to use it for FELV cats. He however opted not
to continue with the studies because of the issue you bring up.

Sue I am not sure about a cat who critically ill whether this would pull
them out. Is it the anemia that is the problem, if so would a transfusion
buy you some time so you can get this treatment? When my Felv kitties
crashed they crashed hard. The choice was easy then, not to have them
suffer. I was lucky to have been able to buy Junior 1.5 years of time with
us. He did not suffer.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tweezer sneezing blood

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

My vet gave my Lysine in a gel form.  I put a little bit on their paws and they 
lick it off.

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--- On Tue, 11/18/08, Brenda Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Brenda Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tweezer sneezing blood
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:45 PM
> Hi Sue,
> 
> This is the second half of the information I rec'd from
> Dr. Fiona from Just answer.com
> 2. Long term antibiotics. My own cat had this problem when
> I adopted him. I kept him on (clindamycin) for 6 weeks. Here
> is more about this antibiotic: 
> http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/clindamycin-antirobe/page1.aspx
> 
> I am not suggesting that the antibiotics your vet has
> chosen are not appropriate… the truth is that unless we do
> a culture (take a sample of the nasal discharge from the
> back of the throat and send it to a lab for analysis) we are
> just guessing what might be growing in there and what
> antibiotic might kill it. A culture and sensitivity test
> gives us answers! 
> More about this test here: 
> http://www.petplace.com/cats/culture-and-sensitivity-in-cats/page1.aspx
> 
> 3. Antibiotic nasal drops are quite effective. I use
> gentocin ophthalmic instilled intranasally like a nasal
> spray twice daily. 
> 4. If you want to try something without going back to your
> vet, go to the pharmacy and ask for ophthalmic saline, or
> have a look in the contact lens section. What you want it
> just sterile saline drops to relieve dry eyes - NO
> medication in it. The pharmacist should be able to point it
> out to you. Put one drop in each nostril twice daily. The
> idea is that you are helping to moisten the area so your cat
> can sneeze out any congestion in there. Continue for a week.
> 
> 5. You can also try "steaming" him in the
> bathroom 2 or 3 times a day. Basically, you take him in,
> close the door and turn on a hot shower. The steam will also
> help to loosen any congestion in his nasal sinuses so he can
> sneeze it out. 
> 6. Consider buying a humidifier. This works the same way as
> the steaming in the bathroom.. 
> 7. He may need 2 antibiotics given at the same time for a
> longer period of time. I like zithromax and baytril
> together. 
> 8. He may have a resistant infection of Pseudomonas in
> there. This means it is resistant to most antibiotics. If
> other antibiotics haven't worked, ask your vet about
> carbenicillin as it is a drug that seems to work well in
> some of these cases. Here is more: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbenicillin 
> 9. Another medication to consider is Famciclovir. It is
> expensive! It is an anti-viral medication. Here is more: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famciclovir 
> 10. Herpes virus may be part of the problem. So, it may be
> useful to put your cat on Lysine capsules. Herpes viruses
> need an amino acid called arginine to replicate and survive.
> If you give lysine, it substitutes in for arginine but does
> NOT allow the virus to replicate! Thus, it can stop the
> virus and really help the cat's immune system to win.
> You can pick up Lysine at most health food stores. I usually
> suggest that cats be given 250mg twice daily for 3 weeks.
> The capsules with powder in them are easiest to give, as you
> can simply open it, and mix the powder in with some canned
> food. 
> You can read more about it here:
> http://www.thensome.com/herpes.htm 
> 
> I hope this info. has been helpful to you and Tweezer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Sue & Frank Koren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: FeLV Talk 
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:55:30 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweezer sneezing blood
> 
> My two year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer has been sneezing blood
> for a few days.  (At first we didn't know where it was
> coming from, we were just seeing tiny blood droplets on the
> floor.) Last night we saw what was happening.  He sounds a
> little stuffy, but he has sounded that way since we got him.
> My problem is that my usual vet who is good with my
> positive kittys is on vacation until the 24th of November. 
> I personally consider the associates in his practice to be
> less then adequate for a positive kittys specail problems. 
> I am trying to decide if I should wait for my usual vet
> (Possibly start Tweezer on some Doxycycline in the mean
> time), take them to one of the other vets in the practice
> and hope that this problem is something they can handle, or
> maybe take him to an internist I have been to before with
> one of my other cats.  I guess it all depends on why this
> is happening to him.  Has a

Re: [Felvtalk] Trish Please add to the CLS :(

[Sally Davis]

Hi Sherry

I am so sorry. At least Trish knows she was loved.

Sally


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> Ok so this was another horrible heartbreak for me.I dont know if I ever
> mentioned Trish before.She and her 2 other sisters came to us felv pos.Just
> little babies.The moment I saw little Trishs beautiful crazy paint job of a
> face my heart skipped a beat!! I cried and fell totally in love with her.So
> I made it my personal duty to make sure she knew she was loved,same as my
> Melina,I think they thought their names were I LOVE YOU!! :) Little Trish
> always told me she loved me too. :)
> She and her sisters were adopted by a great guy that volunteers with us.He
> took them home not even 2 weeks ago.He took her into Jen today for some
> issues she was having,and Jen found that she was full of cancer and had
> blockages.So they let her go peacefully.She was strong little girl.My heart
> is hurting very muvh right now.
> Sherry
>
>
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its awful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] So now what?

[Sally Davis]

HI Lisa

You will not regret keeping this kitty. I wound up mixing my positives and
negative because they were all exposed before I found out what was going on.
I felt it was less stressful. Keep the litter box cleaned out. I really
thought I could not manage what I had going on. I will nto go into details
but I wound up with 4 positive cats one was a resue from animal control and
probably the source. It was a nightmare initially. I am not going to say it
will be a piece of cake but it will get better. I would do it again if I
wind up with another positive.

We all have an endpoint on this earth. We just do not know when. Ok so
yesterday was my dad's birthday he has been gone 14 years.

Bless you

Sally





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Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Lisa, I had a kitten come up positive for FeLV on a Snap test.  When the 
others, plus mom, tested negative, my vet said she thought it was suspicious 
and that I could stop isolating her.  Happily, she just tested negative and the 
vet's pretty sure it was a false positive.

Stick with this group!  They are a wealth of information and inspiration, and 
you will know what to ask your vet when you go.  You will also get a feel for 
if your vet is up to speed on leukemia by reading these posts.


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--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:06 AM
> Hi Lisa
> Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it
> successfully with mine.
> I am rushing out and will write more later.
> 
> Jane
> On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote:
> 
> >
> >  I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago,
> I took in a 3
> > month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten
> and I've fallen in
> > love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his
> vaccines, and
> > we ran an FeLV/FIV "snap" test. It came back
> positive for FeLV. We
> > sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await
> those results.
> >
> > I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and
> one is 2
> > (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV.
> My male in
> > particular has become close with the kitten. it proved
> to be
> > impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and
> cried ... and
> > escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to
> supervise them,
> > make sure they don't fight, keep a clean
> litterbox, etc. and I just
> > let him back out with my other cats. From the couple
> of posts I have
> > read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so
> adament about
> > keeping the baby isolated.
> >
> > He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at
> probiotics. Can
> > something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a
> compromised
> > immune system? I understand I would be giving him
> "good" bacteria to
> > balance things out. He was negative for worms.
> >
> > Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the
> group, regardless
> > of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a
> LOVE ... and he
> > isn't going anywhere!
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea

[Sally Davis]

Lisa

It is good that you have a vet who is willing to work with you. I am one of
those on this list who mixed my cats. By the time I knew I had a problem all
my cats had been exposed for months. Since stress management is very
important it would seem wise not to upset the kitten by separating him. That
being said he will also be exposed to anything your cats might get as well.

There are many treatments should the IFA test be positive as well. Also
sometimes kittens can throw the virus. I too have used probiotics for my
cats. Some find pumpkin to be useful for diarreah.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] felv kitties and their people

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

About 2 weeks ago I found this group when I was told a litter of kittens I 
rescued from my alley was FeLV+.  As it turned out, the Humane Society had made 
a mistake - they are all negative.

In the few days I was asking questions everyone was so kind and so forthright - 
thank you for your knowledge and concern.  It made the fear and dread go away.  
You are a great group of people and I hope it's okay to read the messages you 
send back and forth - I learned a lot!  Not just about FeLV, but about hope and 
love, too.

When I thought my babies were FeLV+, the things you wrote made me see that they 
were no different than any other cats.  They can, and some do, live long and 
healthy lives.  They love and play and purr.  If I ever do find a cat that has 
leukemia or any of the other diseases you discuss, I won't be afraid, I'll just 
keep on loving it and accepting the love it gives to me.

Bless all of you.

"Yes we can!" - Barack Obama
   Sally   


--- On Mon, 11/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] felv kitties and their people
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:10 PM
> i think the best part of this group is everyone is so loving
> and caring.  it really does help to know there is someone
> out there who understands and shares your love for our
> babies.  grief is a little easier to bear when you can share
> it with someone.  thank all of you for being there for
> everyone who has lost one close to their heart.  dorlis
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Re: [Felvtalk] Romeo is gone....

[Sally Davis]

Chris,

Thanks for sharing Romeo's story. I am so glad he came into your life. He is
in very good comapny now and you have all the wonderful memories of his life
with you.

Hugs

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Re: [Felvtalk] diagnosing FIP

[Sally Davis]

Hi Caroline

I love the term Gentle soul. My first to pass from FELV  was this way. In
fact he was so laid back we did not realize he was in trouble until it was
too late. He crashed after being kept overnight on IV antibiotics. He
imoroved enough for me to hold him happy and alert, and that same night he
had seizures and was just a shell of himself when I visited him the next
day. I sent him on his way to the Rainbows Bridge. He was never tested for
FELV. Junior was tested the week Pumpkin died and was positive and so began
a horrible year .I can only be happy yo have knowm Pumpkin for his short
journey in my life. I had him 6 months.

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Re: [Felvtalk] fungal infections? and What to feed?

[Sally Davis]

Hi Belinda

Thanks for the answer. You may be right with my Daisy. She has always had
stomach issues occassional vomiting after eating. Undigested food


Sally

On 11/7/08, Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Licking before, during or after eating usually means acid tummy,
> pepcid AC will help with that, CRF kitties commonly have this and get
> pepcid AC (regular strength only, not maximum strength).  They usually
> start out with a 1/4 pill every other day and work up to a daily does if
> that isn't enough.  Too  much pepcid will also cause tummy upset so only
> use the minimum amount required to take care of the problem.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] fungal infections? and What to feed?

[Sally Davis]

I have a cat that does this kind of licking thing and always has. She is not
FELV pos, so it may not be related unless it is a new symptom.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

MC, do you mind if I pass this along to my neighborhood association website?  
There's a lot of fear out there.  When I brought the kittens home, I chose to 
stop crying, get educated, and move on.  I would like others to benefit from 
your post.


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:42 PM
> see, i would say keep them together, because they've
> probably already been
> as exposed as they're gonna be, and if mom is negative,
> it means their
> exposure is probably from great-aunt tabby, the
> neighborhood nursemaid. we
> don't really know for sure how FeLV works in kittens
> who don't get it from
> their moms, nor if a mom who is negative after birth was
> positive in early
> pregnancy but passed it out of her system while pregnant,
> or if she DID do
> that, if maybe she passed some of her
> strong-enough-to-do-that immunities on
> to the babies! mom's being negative, tho, is a very
> good sign for the
> strength of the genetic side of things. and with four
> negatives already,
> you may just have come in on the tail end of the exposure
> curve on that
> one
> 
> (yes, i DO tend to be more optimistic, because when only
> 30% of cats who
> test positive remain infected, and vaccinated cats who are
> really negative
> don't ever seem to get the virus even when in close
> proximity with other
> cats, well, i am nowhere near as frightened of the
> CONTAGION element of this
> virus than i used to be. the results of it, when activated?
> that's a
> different story altogether.
> 
> MC
> 
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> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

My vet said to keep them together, that's what I did.  I kinda figured they 
should be separate, but my vet doesn't seem real concerned since Mom tested 
negative.  The way she put it was that right now, anyway, we have 4 negatives 
and a positive.  Apparently, because they are only 8 weeks old, if mom is 
indeed negative, they would have been exposed at about 3-4 weeks old and it 
would be unlikely that mom would have let any other cats that close to them.  
(this is a litter I found in my alley)

Any thoughts?

"--- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 6:51 PM
> my opinion would be leave them together. they've already
> been together.  the ones that are negative may have been
> positive and fought it off.  if so they are probably now
> immune.
>   t
> 
> Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   My two cents... even though they were all exposed
> equally. I would keep them
> apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur.
> So even though
> they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get
> to the point
> where the negative kitens are still negative after a few
> months and have had
> their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I
> would separate.
> IMHO
> 
> Sally(in VA)
> 
> 
> On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM wrote:
> >
> > Ok, guys, now I need more help! I picked the kittens
> up tonight and after
> > I got home, I saw that only one tested positive. Can
> the other kittens be
> > with her? Even though they tested negative, is the
> Humane Society worried
> > that the others will eventually test positive? I
> don't understand any of
> > this!
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in
> tests positive
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> > > Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a
> positive cat. See
> > > Jean Dodds'
> > > and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here.
> (The
> > > paragraph below is taken
> > > from the website.) Kerry M.
> > >
> > > http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> > >
> > > >>>All packages of vaccinations carry
> warnings
> > > that they should be
> > > injected only in healthy animals. In the case of
> cats,
> > > vaccine
> > > manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant
> or
> > > nursing cats.
> > > However, many pets are not healthy when
> vaccinated although
> > > they might
> > > not have outward signs of health problems.
> Charles Loops,
> > > DVM, a
> > > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North
> Carolina, notes
> > > that
> > > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are
> injected
> > > directly into the
> > > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> > > infection." (7) This causes
> > > the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight
> off the
> > > offending virus
> > > molecules and render them harmless. If the
> animal's
> > > immune system is too
> > > weakened, he or she cannot fight off these
> viruses and can
> > > develop a
> > > reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a
> virus that
> > > is
> > > introduced through a vaccination may be too much
> for sick
> > > animals to
> > > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very
> disease to
> > > which they
> > > have been vaccinated.<<<
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > > SALLY
> > > NORDSTROM
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in
> tests
> > > positive
> > >
> > > Another question. My kittens tested positive with
> the
> > > ELISA test. May
> > > they have their vaccines? Mom gets tested Friday.
> If
> > > positive, may she
> > > have her vaccines? May she be spayed?
> > >
> > >
> >
> _
> > >
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Thanks for your response, Tonya.  I found out a lot of things, one of which is 
to stop crying, calm down and get to work.  I have a wonderful vet who looked 
at the paper work and said only 1 of four kittens tested positive.  We tested 
Mom - negative.  We will test the positive kitten with the more definitive test 
in a few weeks.  In the meantime, I need to place the three negatives - I am 
willing to pay for their second ELISA test, and am telling people that we don't 
know right now.  All we know is that they must be the only cats in the house 
until we find out, and that if positive, they can live long and healthy lives 
with other positives.

They are spayed/neutered, have their first shots and have been wormed.  They 
are sociable and self-confident.  If anyone can help out by opening their home, 
or know someone who can, please contact me!

Thanks to everyone on this site who has helped me so much.  Whatever happens, I 
know I'll always have you guys.

"Cowardice asks the question, is it safe?    Vanity asks the question, is it 
popular?    But conscience asks the question, is it right?"  Dr. Martin Luther 
King, Jr.     Sally   


--- On Sun, 11/2/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:54 PM
> I'm sure you've had many responses by now, but the
> answer is a big no.  I've got a 10 year old leukemia
> positive on my bed with me right now.  Fat, sassy, and
> happy.
>   tonya
> 
> SALLY NORDSTROM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been
> diagnosed with feline leukemia. Is this necessarily a death
> sentence?
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

[Sally Davis]

Now this was many years ago like 1972 when my Bud cat got sick. I was in
college and my dad took hin to the vet who dx'd FIP. Now I know there were
not tests done it was based on observation and he did not respond to
antibiotics. Anyway the weekend I was to come home he left and was never
seen again he was 10. I do not know about the tummy part I do know he was
losing weight.

Sally


On 11/2/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I know many of you have had experience with fip.  My cat sneaker has
> chronic herpes (vet thinks that's what it is.)  he has difficulty breathing,
> but his lungs are clear. We've medicated him to no avail.  And he is
> semiferal and hard to pill, much less use a nebulizer or anything.   Anyway,
> I've noticed he seems to have gained weight in his belly.  Would a cat that
> is over 10 years old harbor fip all that time?  Wouldn't he act sicker if
> that's what it was?  I've got a crf cat so I've been feeding more wet
> food.  So I guess it could just be weight gain.. but it's a FAT
> tummy.  Am I being paranoid.  When he breathes through his nose it sounds
> like he has a cold.  There is no sneezing and he has no eye discharge or
> anything.
> thanks in advance for any ideas.
> tonya
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Sally Davis]

My two cents... even though they were all exposed equally. I would keep them
apart. Repeated exposure is needed for infection to occur. So even though
they are not positive now it could still happen. If you get to the point
where the negative kitens are still negative after a few months and have had
their vaccines you may be able to mix them then. For now I would separate.
IMHO

Sally(in VA)


On 10/29/08, SALLY NORDSTROM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ok, guys, now I need more help!  I picked the kittens up tonight and after
> I got home, I saw that only one tested positive.  Can the other kittens be
> with her?  Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried
> that the others will eventually test positive?  I don't understand any of
> this!
>
> --- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> > Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See
> > Jean Dodds'
> > and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The
> > paragraph below is taken
> > from the website.) Kerry M.
> >
> > http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> >
> > >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings
> > that they should be
> > injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats,
> > vaccine
> > manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or
> > nursing cats.
> > However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although
> > they might
> > not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops,
> > DVM, a
> > holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes
> > that
> > "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected
> > directly into the
> > blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> > infection." (7) This causes
> > the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the
> > offending virus
> > molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's
> > immune system is too
> > weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can
> > develop a
> > reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that
> > is
> > introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick
> > animals to
> > fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to
> > which they
> > have been vaccinated.<<<
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> > SALLY
> > NORDSTROM
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests
> > positive
> >
> > Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the
> > ELISA test.  May
> > they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If
> > positive, may she
> > have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Ok, guys, now I need more help!  I picked the kittens up tonight and after I 
got home, I saw that only one tested positive.  Can the other kittens be with 
her?  Even though they tested negative, is the Humane Society worried that the 
others will eventually test positive?  I don't understand any of this!  

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:29 PM
> Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See
> Jean Dodds'
> and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The
> paragraph below is taken
> from the website.) Kerry M.
> 
> http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html
> 
> >>>All packages of vaccinations carry warnings
> that they should be
> injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats,
> vaccine
> manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or
> nursing cats.
> However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although
> they might
> not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops,
> DVM, a
> holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes
> that
> "chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected
> directly into the
> blood stream, which is an unnatural route of
> infection." (7) This causes
> the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the
> offending virus
> molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's
> immune system is too
> weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can
> develop a
> reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that
> is
> introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick
> animals to
> fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to
> which they
> have been vaccinated.<<<
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> SALLY
> NORDSTROM
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:59 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests
> positive
> 
> Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the
> ELISA test.  May
> they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If
> positive, may she
> have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[Sally Davis]

Yes

Sally(the other one)

.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.  May they 
have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may she have her 
vaccines?  May she be spayed?


--- On Wed, 10/29/08, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 3:16 PM
> Brenda,
> You're an angel for opening your heart and home to
> Spazzy. Thank you on behalf of all homeless kitties, and
> particularly FeLV kitts.
> You've come to the right place for info. 
> My first advice would be to find an informed,
> FeLV-competent vet. While your vet sounds nice, nice
> won't help Spazzy if she's uninformed about FeLV. 
> And it's evident from your email that you are better
> informed than your vet---definitely do not allow her to
> vaccinate Spazzy. Also, keep Spazzy indoors. It stops him
> from spreading the FeLV and prevents him from coming into
> contact with cats that may pass on other illnesses to him. 
> As you already learned, the most important goal is to do
> everything possible to help his immune system. In my
> opinion, if a cat is enjoying life--alert, playing, eating,
> enjoying cuddles etc--there is every reason to help him
> continue to do so.
> To that end, buy the highest quality cat food you can
> afford--ideally, one without by-products, additives or
> preservatives. (Last time I looked, Iams didn't measure
> up). Add 500mg L-Lysine--grind it to a powder--to his food
> morning and night. Add a teaspoon of Anitra Frazier's
> vita-mineral-mix recipe twice a day. (See recipe below.)
> Wholefoods or a health store should have all the
> ingredients, and you can make enough at one time to keep you
> going for weeks. And provide as stress-free an environment
> as you can---lots of attention, cuddles and care goes a long
> way to boosting the immune system.
> Some cats will throw off the virus--one of my 5 FeLV cats
> is now negative. (The others succumbed around the age of 2.)
> The test your vet likely means is an IFA test, to find out
> if the FeLV is in the bone marrow. Once in the bone marrow,
> the FeLV is confirmed, and won't be thrown off.
> Ask her what medication she is referring to--feline
> interferon? Immunoregulin?
> 
> Here's the Vita-Mineral Mix recipe.
>  
> Into the wet food, morning and night, I mix:
> 
> 1 tsp Vita-Mineral Mix which is made up of:
> 
> 1 1/2 cups yeast powder (brewer's yeast, nutritional
> yeast or tarula). (I use nutritional yeast.)
> 
> 1/4 cup kelp powder or 1/4 cup mixed trace mineral powder
> (I found kelp first, so I use that)
> 
> 1 cup lecithin granules
> 
> 2 cups wheat bran
> 
> 2 cups bonemeal.
> 
> Here's another excerpt from the same book---The New
> Natural Cat--A Complete Guide for Finicky Owners, by Anitra
> Frazier-- it's in the Feline Leukemia section on pages
> 326/327):
> 
> "When a positive cat---one carrying the virus--comes
> into contact with a negative cat--one not carrying the
> virus--the negative, but exposed cat may: 
> 
> *not become affected in any way; 
> *become infected (positive), develop immunity, and revert
> again to being negative; 
> *become positive, but not become ill and remain
> positive--thus becoming a new carrier of the virus; 
> *become positive and develop lymphosarcoma, leukemia, or
> other cancer; or 
> *become positive and be ill from the virus infection, much
> like flu; and then recover and remain positive or become
> negative. 
> 
> A positive cat who has not developed cancer can be tested
> again in three months. If he has been treated by an
> experienced veterinary homeopath and put on a high-quality
> diet designed to build general health and strengthen the
> immune system, chances are good that he will have reverted
> to negative. "(my emphasis)
> 
> You will get lots more great advice here. Bless you for
> loving and looking out for Snazzy.
> Kerry M.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Brenda Waterson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:13 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I recently took in a stray cat that had been hanging around
> my neighborhood for some time. He's such a nice boy and
> I had been feeding him for a few months before I took him
> in. What made me take him in was he became very sick with an
> upper respiratory infection and I had just felt so bad
> because the mucous that was coming from his nose was green,
> not too mention he was having a hard time breathing. I took
> him to my Vet who said he was a very sick kitty, he was
> close to pneumonia treated him with antibiotics and sent us
> home. I was to follow up with vaccinations and a neuter.  He
> did finish his course of antibiotics, and days after I went
> on a family vacation for 10 days. My pet sitter s

Re: [Felvtalk] tests

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

You and the others on this site are ANGELS!  You will be glad to know 
that I stopped crying, called my vet, and have a plan of action.  Please, keep 
us in your hearts and heads, I will be asking a lot of questions in the months 
to come because I am keeping the mom.


--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Saehwa Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Saehwa Kang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] tests
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:36 AM
> The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and
> is  
> inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false
> positives and  
> sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens
> who became  
> negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3
> months later.
> 
> You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again.
> Better yet  
> is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the
> bone  
> marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad
> more  
> expensive but much more accurate.
> 
> However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is
> the new  
> PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many
> google searches. It can  
> detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most
> accurate  
> test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two
> consecutive  
> positive ELISA tests.
> 
> Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative
> though  
> it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their
> mother. Many  
> kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf
> is often  
> inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a
> low stress  
> environment, indoor only home to reduce exposure to germs,
> premium  
> food mostly canned (wellness, innova evo, natures variety  
> instinct,etc), clean the litterbox and dishes daily and
> have more than  
> one box, vaccuum and keep them flea and worm free, as well
> as spend  
> time playing with the kittens and giving them affection,
> toys, warm  
> places to sleep.
> 
> There are no guarantees but it is possible to go from
> positive to  
> negative. Just takes dedication and having hope...
> 
> And others will tell you a felv positive diagnosis is not a
> death  
> sentence!
> There are plenty of people here who have healthy cats with
> felv that  
> have had long lives.
> 
> I don't know about financial assistance, but you should
> try and talk  
> to your vet about payment options. The cheapest ELISA test
> I found ran  
> about $25-30 here in LA.
> 
> Also, you can do you best to change their positive status
> to negative  
> in the next few months. Even if they don't, you can
> adopt them out  
> when they are a bit older after you've tried or just
> try to adopt them  
> out now and tell people they are positive for now but could
> change..
> 
> 
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:51 PM, SALLY NORDSTROM
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm getting real confused about the available
> tests and their  
> > accuracy.  Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
> >
> > I had to file a bankruptcy and can't afford
> testing.  Is there  
> > someplace that can give me help?
> >
> > How hard is it going to be to place my rescued kittens
> in homes?   
> > What resources should I be using?
> >
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[Felvtalk] tests

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

I'm getting real confused about the available tests and their accuracy.  Can 
anyone shed some light on this for me?

I had to file a bankruptcy and can't afford testing.  Is there someplace that 
can give me help?

How hard is it going to be to place my rescued kittens in homes?  What 
resources should I be using?



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Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

I think I need to stop crying.



--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:37 PM
> My two positives, Squeaky and Stripes lived to ages 22 years
> and 16 years.
> Squeaky was never sick until his final three weeks of life
> after he was diagnosed with oral cancer.
> Stripes was sick on and off his entire life but nothing
> serious.
> Isabella was very sick 18 months ago. Has doubled her
> weight and is the PICTURE of health! She's somewhere
> between 2 and 5 years of age, estimated.
> Laurie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] my kittens!
> 
> not in the least. i have cats that have been feluk since
> birth and some of  
> them are as old as 12
>  
>  
> In a message dated 10/28/2008 7:31:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight
> Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> I  rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed
> with feline  
> leukemia.  Is this necessarily a death  sentence?
> 
> 
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[Felvtalk] my kittens!

[SALLY NORDSTROM]

I rescued a litter of kittens and they have been diagnosed with feline 
leukemia.  Is this necessarily a death sentence?



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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Mickey

[Sally Davis]

HI

I am so sorry to hear about Micky's dx.The dermal form is less agressive, so
maybe there is  hope there. The site I went to basically said chemo does not
do much good. However I would go with the vets opinion on that.

http://www.addl.purdue.edu/newsletters/2004/Fall/heman.htm

I will be pulling for Micky.

Hugs

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

[Sally Davis]

Tracey

It is a very personal decision. In an ideal world with a perfect setup, I
probably would not mix. However in a small house 10 cats and all of them
were exposed before the diagnosis I mixed after vaccinating the negative
cats. I wound up with 3 positives out of 11 cats and a cat that died just
before this but never tested. I am sure he was positive too. Junior lived
the longest. I felt it was less stressful mixing them. I did wound up with 3
additional cats. No I did not add them they showed up. The three new cats
were kept separate while getting vaccinated and time for it to take effect.
None of the other cats became positive. Be aware there is still a risk.

Good Luck and bless you for taking care of her.

Oh yes I found that the immuno regin helped Junior's gingivitis clear up. It
is an immune booster mentioned on teh website.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Leo

[Sally Davis]

Jill

I am so sorry. Leo is in a happy place and playing in the woods he loved so
much.

I know how it is I have my litlle grave sites. Both Tiny and Junior lost
battles to this disease. I had an outbreak three years ago and lost 4 cats.
I still have 7 cats from the original group. They are all healthy.


hugs

sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bijou,Cody,Murdoch and London

[Sally Davis]

Sherry

I will keep them in my prayers.

Sally



>
>
>
>
> "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
> than our own,
> Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
> Unable to accept its aweful gaps.
> We still would have it no other way"
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grumpy Gus is gone

[Sally Davis]

Sam

I am so glad you Grumpy Gus in your life. His life was better in that you
loved and cared for him. He knows this. I love your description of his meow.
Remember all these good things. He will be with you forever in your heart.

Hugs

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my Jack-Jack today

[Sally Davis]

Wendy

I am so very sorry. Gentle journey for Jack-Jack.

Hugs

Sally


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> My little furbaby Jack-Jack crossed the bridge today. He had cancer and
> was not responding to treatment. We will miss him greatly.
>
> Wendy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Piggee Piggee is gone

[Sally Davis]

Caroline

I am so very sorry. Youe Piggee  sounds like such a wonderful cat. He knows
he was loved by you and your vet. He is now happy and whole. Playing with
Monkee, Possee, and Brumley.

Hugs

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to Group

[Sally Davis]

You Are at the right place for advice. It will vary from person to person. I
am so glad you took Macy into your home. Lessening stress is important.
Feeding a high quality diet the best you can afford. I say that bc the best
that I could afford was different from what other folks feed. Immune
boosters are a start. Since many of these cats also have FHV L Lysine is a
good start and may alleviate her upper respiratory symptoms. At any rate it
will not do any harm and is inexpensive. I got mine from Puritans Pride. I
ordered capsules 500mg. You can mix it with wet food. One or two per day
depending on symptoms. Well I have to run to work. You will get more
information I am sure.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Updates and Latest videos and info on kittens

[Sally Davis]

Pamela

I pray for a neg test. I am in VA and with 10 cats. I cannot take on more.
They look great and even though yhey are young it is still possible they
have natural immunity. My Daisy did. She was probably a couple months old
when we got her. We did not know another cat we adopted from the same
shelter was FIV and FELV positive. They were constant companions. They are
togther and and grromed each other. She never got sick. I had three other
cats that did get sick and tested positive.

Best of Luck,

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiwi

[Sally Davis]

I am so sorry and I do understand. May your heart find peace in your
wonderful memories of Kiwi.

Hugs

sally


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> Kiwi is with God now.  I'm to upset to say anything else right now.  Robin
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten returned

[Sally Davis]

Lorrie

I am so sorry for you and Zing Zing. I had a cat named Ling Ling . He
started out life as Sting. He was a black tabby, you know very subtle
stripes. Most of my cat names have morphed into different names though out
their lives. Wish there was something I could do for ZZ.

I have ten cats now in a 1000sqft house and a small lot in the country. Most
still are in/out cats. Pewter has decided inside is ok with her. She got her
booster rabies and all other shots yesterday. I decided that she needed this
round, but after that I will either go every three years or call it a done
deal except for rabies. My Senior girl mostly prefers inside. JJ sneaks out
anytime he think he can get by me.

Best of luck with finding another home.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Help with Anemia questions...

[Sally Davis]

Hi Joey

I am sure you will get lots of help and answers. I can give you my
experience.

My Junior was diagnosed with anemia in 2006. The vet thought was sue to
hemabartenella(sp). I know you say no fleas but as she explained it only
takes one flea. He was put on antibiotics. In the meanwhile I had another
cat get very sick. Hospitalized with anemia, jaundiced and probable fatty
liver disease. He was hiding the fact he was not eating so probably
lethargic which is what I noticed before taking him any. Well he died at the
vets office. Even though on IV antibiotics and fluids. I go into panic mode.
I take Junior back to see his vet(different clinic). Well Junior though
showing no symptoms is running a fever of 106.5. Ok they keep him subq
fluids and she calls me to test for FELV. He had tested negative 4 months
prior to this, but symptoms dictated to test again. He is positive. He stays
on antibiotics and I am dealing with a crisis because I have 11 cats now 10.
2 more test positive. I isolate Junior and Tiny until all my cats can get
vaccinated. The other thing which stabilized Junior was the Immunoregulin.
His anemia went away and never returned to my knowledge. He crashed this
past spring with breathing difficulties due to heart problems. This could
have been brought on by anemia but he did not have pale gums or nose ,so I
do not think that was a causative factor. I had junior for a year and a half
past his dx in spite of being very symptomatic. He had fairly good quality
of life. There are other things you can do once Kitty's anemia is stable.
This is my experience. Tiny who was asymptomatic actually only live a couple
months he threw a blood clot and is unknown if FELV had anything to do with
his death.

Oh yes ask if the anemia is regenerative or non regenerative

What helped with anemia. The antibiotics assuming he had hemabart. He also
got several B12 shots when he was treated for his fever. I gave him Pet
tinic (vitamins and iron).

Sally


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>  careful how I treat them if fleas do pop up.
>
> I would really like to pick the vet's brain, but I would like to do it with
> a little more information in mine so I can ask him educated
> questions.  Thanks in advance for all of your help :)
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Michelle's Patches is an angel

[Sally Davis]

Belinda

Thanks for letting us know.I sent her a private message. She is one of those
people who gave me great support when dealing with this awful disease.
Thanks to all you for your help. And thanks to James for keeping this group
going.

Sally




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> I'm sorry to let you all know, Michelle's Patches passed away
> yesterday at the hospital, her body just wasn't physically strong enough
> to handle anymore treatment ... they are devastated, please say a prayer
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[Felvtalk] Junior jr.

[Sally Davis]

Today when I got home from work there were some girls out playing in the
road. They came over to pet my friendly cat. One of them saw JJ and said he
looked like their cat Goldie who ran away. Well if they live at the house I
think they do I always suspected that that is where JJ came from he was left
in a box on our truck with another young cat and a note saying take care of
us. They have another cat now. I hope it is fixed, I do not need anymore
presents like that.

It has always been my experience that a new cat arrives before one leaves
this earth. I know with some it is the other way around.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] Good News!

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Hi Sue

I am so happy for the good news. That is terrific.

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[Felvtalk] Cole

[Sally Davis]

Hi Kim

I am so sorry to hear that Cole lost his battle. You did all you could Cole
knows that and loves you. 7 years is a good long life for a FELV infected
cat. They are never with us long enough and we learn so much from them. You
will miss him for a long time remember the good stuff. I have a Junior look
alike in my house who is probably related to Junior a cousin or something.
He came from the same neighborhood. It is comforting to me to have this look
a like. I will always miss my Junior as you will miss Cole.

Big Hug

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] Daisy

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Hi Sharyl

That is how I am treating it. She is a weird cat anyway. She did this once
before when she was in heat. Waiting for her spay appt. I really think she
was letting me know she did not like me letting Little Black in the house. I
have to feed LB in the house becuase the raccoons will eat her food before
she can. She usually goes back out in an hour. Daisy has a delicate stoamch
too. Will puke undigested food several times a week. It was better when I
had them on IAMS, but I can hardly afford food for myself.

Thanks

Sally


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> Sally. I don't know if this is behavioral or a sign she may have a UTI.  I
> would guess if she urinates inappropriately again a vet visit would be in
> order.
> Sharyl
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> From: Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Daisy
> To: "FeLV Talk" 
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 10:33 AM
>
> Last night, rather early this morning my cat Daisy jumped up on my bed and
> woke me up with her attack play. She does this sometimes when she wants
> out.
> Well I let her out and got back in bed. Now Spike was using the litter box
> and I smelled really strong urine. I moved to turn my light on to make sure
> she wasn't missing the box. Well Daisy had peed on me and the bed. Far as I
> could tell it was normal. I think maybe it is behavioral bc she hates my
> feral cat who I let in to eat. Last night I had separated them. I have done
> that in the past as well . I will keep and eye on her but she prefers to
> stay outside so it may be hard to monitor her bathroom habits.
>
> What do you think? Should I panic and take her to the vet or see what
> happens. The rest of her behavior was normal for her. Daisy is not a
> positive. I think the urine output was adequate, but it is hard to tell
> when
> they pee on the bed.
>
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[Felvtalk] Daisy

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Last night, rather early this morning my cat Daisy jumped up on my bed and
woke me up with her attack play. She does this sometimes when she wants out.
Well I let her out and got back in bed. Now Spike was using the litter box
and I smelled really strong urine. I moved to turn my light on to make sure
she wasn't missing the box. Well Daisy had peed on me and the bed. Far as I
could tell it was normal. I think maybe it is behavioral bc she hates my
feral cat who I let in to eat. Last night I had separated them. I have done
that in the past as well . I will keep and eye on her but she prefers to
stay outside so it may be hard to monitor her bathroom habits.

What do you think? Should I panic and take her to the vet or see what
happens. The rest of her behavior was normal for her. Daisy is not a
positive. I think the urine output was adequate, but it is hard to tell when
they pee on the bed.

Sally


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Re: [Felvtalk] my Cole, help!

[Sally Davis]

Lynne

I did not see your post where you lost your 19 yo baby. I am so sorry. It is
wonderful he had such loving parents. He is by now playing with your sweet
Boo Boo.

Hugs

Sally


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Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet Buzz

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Hi Sue

Yeah!! I am so glad. Anemia is not always the end for these babies. Junior
went through that too. HIs did not fall as low as Buzz. I am so happy for
you.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you to everyone on this list.

[Sally Davis]

Yipee!!!

I am so happy for the good news. Junior started out anemic as well it was
actually the first symptom that something was wrong. He was put on Baytril
rather than doxy but for the same reason. His anemia got better. It was not
as bad as Buzzy's.

Great News.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Furry Laura update & ?'

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Hi Laura

I have to agree with Sharyl. I kept Junior a bit on the chunky side for the
same reason. He went from a low weight of 10.5 pounds after being DX'd to
about 12.5 pounds which was a little above his normal weight. He was still
chunky when he was sent on his journey. I am glad he did not go through a
wasting stage. He always had a good appetite.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Sally Davis]

Yep we are. I did not think to add the explanation of how the L Lysine
works.

Thanks Gloria

Sally



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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

[Sally Davis]

Jane

Thank you. I have a soft place in my heart for the Buff, yellow and orange
tabbies. Tiny was a buff colored cat, Junior very light orange, and my
Speedy is orange and white. I do have a gray and whte dilute calico, Eric
named her Gray and White. I'lI go through spells of missing my Junior and my
Fluffy who was also a buff colored cat. Fluff was my soul kitty who
developed cancer. It was too late when we found it.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

[Sally Davis]

I think Lynne is in Canada. So the regulations may be different. I remember
she could not get immunoregulin for BooBoo when he was so sick.

Sally



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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

[Sally Davis]

I will let Pat know. I imagine she needs her rabies vacination as I am sure
it has been more than 3 years. Actually there is a couple feral colonies
nearby and they are trapped and neutered etc she has never gone into the
traps.

Sally


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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Sally Davis]

Hi Wendy

Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the
addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if
they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it
boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that
does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave
Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes
virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are
able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be
inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain
how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I
think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are
going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
changed formulation but is it the plus form.

Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate.
Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far
longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived
another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got  real bad
very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can
help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am
not put to the test again.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements

[Sally Davis]

There is this  feral cat where I work. She has been fixed and her ear has
been clipped. Getting her to a vet would be impossible as I imagine she
would not get in a trap again. That being said she is very friendly to one
lady at work who feeds her canned food. Anyway for the past couple months
she has had on and off runny eyes and nose. She sneezes. Well figuring there
was a chance it was herpes virus I gave Pat Junior's left over Lysine. In a
weeks time she started clearing up. Baby Girl is feeling much better.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pictures of our kitties

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you are welcome...

I believe Zoe and JJ came from a house across the street from me. A
household with young kids. Both of them are wild and full of energy. They
both wanted to climb and get up in high places. JJ will literally climb the
door frame of my bedroom. I do not see how he holds on. He also chases
imaginary things, I think is Junior(angel).

Thanks

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[Felvtalk] OT Dementia

[Sally Davis]

Lynne

I am sure you have already googled it, but these seemed to be a reasonanle
expaination of Feline dementia. I am always learning

http://cat-care.suite101.com/article.cfm/does_your_cat_have_alzheimers

I too have emailed an animal communicator I used during the time when I lost
so many kitties to feline leukemia. It was a great comfort. It has been
almost two years since I emailed her, so hopefully she uses the same email
address.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] a decision

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Lynne

I am so sorry you have reached this stage. The animal communicator idea
might be good or you may just want to ask him yourself. Have you had him
checked out by your vet. I am assuming you have.

When Pumpkin crashed at the vet's office it was the same. He was already
gone,he just still had a heart beat. The blank stare. He did not even know I
was there. My prayers are with you for guidance.

Sally


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>  I'm faced with another horrible decision.  Our 19 year old should be
> leaving this world and I just can't deal with this.  He is pretty much deaf,
> weak, frail yet eats like a piggy.  But now he is not using his litter box
> all the time and is peeing just about everywhere.  We have put litter boxes
> in every room, not the nicest thing for people who come over to have to see
> but I don't care about that.  Last night he pooped in one and then pooped on
> the floor.  He won't sit on our laps anymore.  I've tried so hard to
> stimulate him by picking him up, grooming him, talking to him and there is
> just a blank stare like he isn't really in that body anymore.  I just can't
> tell if he enjoys living or wants it to end.  I wish they were allowed to
> talk just once in their lives so we could know for sure.
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