RE: OT Mike Vick
Michael Vick and his brother (I forget his name, but he, too is now playing pro ball I think) are thugs. One or both had serious legal infractions while at VA Tech (one had some type of statutory rape charge). And wasn't it Michael Vick the player who used the alias "Ron Mexico" and infected women with herpes? Clearly, nothing is beneath him. The NFL should ban players that engage is this type of conduct or they should not draft thugs. While I understand the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" I have no doubt that Michael Vick was a knowing participant in this disgusting behavior. Tracy Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 7/19/2007 3:43:14 PM Subject: RE: OT Mike Vick I also just wanted to add, for those following this thread, that sometimes I forget I am a lawyer...well, today I remembered. Yesterday I mentioned that Vick should be made to pay for the care of the 52 seized dogs, of course thinking it would never happen. Well, one of the Virginia Code Sections he is charged with violating in the Grand Jury indictment (in general, it's the dog fighting for business/gambling statute), the penalty, if convicted, is a class 6 felony AND "the person convicted shall pay all reasonable costs incurred in housing or euthanizing any confiscated dogs." I am impressed that Virginia has such a comprehensive statute that covers that aspect in the penalty portion. Of course, this is just one of the charges handed down against him and it is a state statute- not a federal charge. I haven't gotten my way through all the charges (that will take a while), but that was certainly a punishment I was definitely hoping to see included and the good news is that it is. -Caroline From: "Malone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: OT Mike Vick Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:26:40 -0600 I read all the information postedthank you for being an advocate for animals of all kinds, not just our feline friends. I also passed on information to others. Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!
RE: My little Sammy went to Heaven
I am very sorry for your loss of Sammy. It sounds like his passing was gentle and that he was well loved. Tracy - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/10/2007 7:04:58 PM Subject: My little Sammy went to Heaven Dear Everyone: I'm so sorry to report that my dear Sammy went to Heaven on Tuesday morning. He had gone into Animal 911 the evening before. He felt quite warm and when I took his temperature it was 106 so off we went. He stayed overnight in the ICU, hydrated, etc., and I knew he was in the right place that night. His WBC count was dismal, his RBC's were dismal, he was very quiet when I picked him up to move him to Berglund for continued care. After discussion with the ICU folks, who felt that the lymphoma once again had the upper hand, I knew it was time to say farewell and I made the decision to have him PTS over at Berglund. We drove the five minutes to Berglund where I was met by his Auntie Head Tech Linda and Auntie Dr. Val. I had picked up a beautiful little baby blanket earlier in the week-- blue and white cotton knit with a small ruffle around the edge, lined in soft white "fur," and Sammy was wrapped in that, in my arms. They agreed it was time and I'm pretty sure Sammy did, too. He was so tired for such a little guy, but he wasn't in pain, just so very, very tired. When Val put the sleepy meds into the IV on his wrist he went to sleep IMMEDIATELY. As she added the meds to stop his little heart she said, "I love you, Sammy." Linda cut off some of Sammy's beautiful marmalade hair for me and Val put it in a little plastic bag. Linda made sure I got all Sammy's colors, too. I wrapped him back up and held him close and just sat and cried in the exam room, stroking his beautiful little face until it was time to give him away forever. Every so often someone would peek in to say how sorry they were. Linda said she was making a little paw-print disc of Sammy's little paw for me and, of course, I was having him cremated at St. Francis Animal Cemetery. My dad always buried the cats in our back yard but I cremate mine (even the tiny parakeets, who are each in tiny blue-and-white ginger jars). The little plastic bag of fur will fit right in the little St. Francis tin, with a picture of St. Francis on it and a little St. Francis animal tag inside. Poor Sammy, he was so very small--he'd lost a pound over the last twelve days--I could feel him growing cool so fast as I held him, I disliked that so! I've been staying close to home with the other kitties. I think we're all doing okay. The other kitties always knew Sammy was very seriously ill and we were allyuuu===(hello, Charlie has jumped up, purring, to see me and let me hold him tight while I write to you all) doing all we could to help him stay well, but he was overcome. And now we're overcome. I'm sure he was met by that great Big Brother in the sky, my giant kitty and champion kitten-adorer Jack-Jack, who went to Heaven last March before the triplets arrived on July 1st of last year, and all the other cats my parents and I have had over the years. Think of how many kittens and cats will meet us again someday! Thank you all for everything you have given me and how much you have helped me and the kitties, Tee 'n' the Remaining Wildlife (Lilibet Squeekietoy, exemplary kitten-big-sissy, Billi Bi, reluctant, peeved ["I'M the baby!"] eldest brother, and the 2 Orange Boyz, great big Charlie, AKA Twinkie (he's twinkie-colored and was teenie when he was small), and Teddy Baby Pooma (he was so little--he still is--I told him he was a baby puma to make him feel big and strong). "Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation." 958
Re: Please talk to me
If they are otherwise health, DO NOT be forced to put them down simply because they test positive for FeLV. Kittens/Cats can live several years and be healthy even with FeLV. Obviously, all cats (pets, people) die so when they get ill and in pain, that is the time to PTS, not when they are still healthy and enjoying a quality of life. I know it's sad, I have three cats right now that are dying, two w/FeLV and one with tummy cancer. tracy - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/21/2007 1:42:15 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was "Lukemia" and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: Please talk to me
you did the right thing he was ready to go - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/21/2007 2:22:27 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Susan, Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then Friday we moved, I thought he just was scared. I left him alone on Friday and really started to watch him Saturday and Sunday, Monday he went to the vet. He slept most of the weekend, literally, then last night he was just lifeless. He didn't get up, he laid where ever I put him. I would walk him to the litter box, he would go then lay right outside the box, he didnt' have the strength to walk. (By the time I got home last nght, he was laying on the coffee table, I had given him some amoxacillian, I thought he was getting close to the edge, so I scooted him toward the middle of the table and when I did, there was poop balls by this tail. It was almost like he released himself and didn't know it! When we got him to the vet he just laid, then once he did get up to walk, he acted like he was walking side ways and couldn't support himself. It was just aweful!!! I then just held him and loved him all I could. His quality of life was not good on Monday. It sickened me to look at the unhappiness on his face. His gums were almost a white/yellow color, he was dehydrated, just bad off. There was no way to get him back, I don't think. Did I do the right thing by PTS? Ang Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, it sounds like the vet tested him for felv and he was pos. Was he suffering? Is this why the vet decided to euth? Because even if they are "symptomatic", they can still have a good quality of life being felv+. And yes, you should get your other 2 kitties "combo" tested, you need to know what to expect. But please, if they do test "pos" for felv, remember, they can live a good life for quite some time, you just to help them along by boosting their little immune systems. Take each day as a precious gift, because that'swhat it is. This list is set up for kitty mommies & daddies just like you, and there is a wealth of good information here. You will get more ideas than you will know what to do with, but you will be able to figure out what works best for you, your cats & your living arrangements One last note, if your vet decided to PTS because the cat was felv+ and sick, but not "suffering" (to be determined as YOU see fit w/ your vet's consultation)...it might be best to look for another vet that is more felv+ savvy. Just my 2 cents,I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Please talk to me Dear Susan, Thank you for your email. I think Boy had felv+. Everything happened so fast last night that the only thing I heard was "Lukemia" and euth. I have two other kitties that were/are raised with Boy. The Vet says they should be checked. Why do this if the cancer is untreatable? I don't know if I should keep their appt. for today or not. Ang Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Angela, I am so sorry for your sudden loss. Was it felv+ that you lost your kitty too? Or some other type of cancer? My prayers are w/ you today. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Angela Lewis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Please talk to me Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Sylvester died at home this morning
My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died this morning at home. Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony. He got very sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had FeLV+. So he came home with my other cats (I had few other positives then, after today down to two now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading, too). He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite being so ill. After many at the vets' and then living at home, he was up to 22 lbs! He stayed pretty healthy for about 1 year and 4 months (he was probably 7 when I got him). He always had a little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes, we checked and re-checked this). But recently, he was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not eatingturns out his blood counts were all haywire. Low RBC, Low white count and low plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his tummy hurt, too. So at the vet yesterday I asked if it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week), the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were a last resort). When we got home, he had a good night. He ate some, and hung out with me and the others (he had been staying under the bed except when I would drag him out for meds). He even played some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he used to. This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight distresshe was sleeping under the bed again (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the box springs and he would sleep inside the box springs). I reached down and touched him and told him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go to the vet. In the seconds it took for me to run downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he was gone. I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since he would lay furtherst from the opening. I pulled him out and he was still, he looked very peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the bed. This is the very first cat I have had that died at home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan it. Last night was so good for him, I guess he had only one last good night in him. He died with me nearby and in the place he felt safest, under the bed. I took him to the vets' so he can be cremated. I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if that. I gave him permission several days ago to leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go today. Although I will miss him, several of my other cats will not. He was a gentle giant, but a few of my smaller cats terrorized him if they got the chance. He never struck out first and usually retreated, but he was always a sweetie to people. Please think good thoughts for Sylvester.
Questions for Belinda
In your message below, you talked about using epogen and prenisolone for anemiaone of my other FeLV+ cat's RBC was last tested (2 weeks ago) to be about 8%. CW is a very small cat, about 6-7 years old and has had FeLV+ since she was a kitten. She still acts pretty much the same as always (she always hid alot and still does) and she still has a great appetite. Her only other issue has been some inappropriate elimination issues which intitally lead me to think she had a UTI, etcso we checked her for that and her urine is dilute, but her blood results for the kidney / organ functioning was ok...but that was when the anemia was discovered although we suspected it since her tongue was not as pink as we (vet and I) would have liked. CW is a grey cat with black gums and pads, so it has always been hard to monitor her "pinkness"...anyway, vet and I briefly dicussed what might be done for CW -- the anemia is NON-regenerative. I have not yet done anything other than watch her closely and make sure she is eating (she is--even has gained weight) and she is doing better on the litter box (this might have been related to a tooth issue from earlier also, tooth was removed--healed nicely). So, all that for the question: the epogen/pernisolone protocal you talked about below, was that for a cat with NON regenerative anemia, too? I don't want to stress CW out with lots of meds, esp. if they are not going to make much difference, but I don't want to give up if there is something else to try. After losing Sylvester this weekend, I panicked about CW and rushed her the ER vet and they said she looked good, other than the pale tongue, and as long as she is eating and NOT open mouth breathing, she is holding her own. Any suggestions welcome. > [Original Message] > From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 8/25/2007 3:11:14 PM > Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butpleaseindulge > > I used epogen (same thing as procrit) when my Bailey was anemic > along with prenisolone because we suspected the virus was in his bone > marrow supressing his immune system and interfering with blood > building. We reversed his anemia with this combo. > > Procrit used in humans is at a much, much higher does and shouldn't > scare anyone off from using it with cats that are anemic, any cats with > CRF end up using it in the later stages as the kidney disease eventually > interferes with the production of erythropoietin which the Epogen, > Procrit and the new drug called Aranesp help to produce. > > In my mind your cat WILL die if the enemia isn't reversed period, so if > there is something that may help what have you got to lose?? > > Below paragraph my opinion (based on what my vet told me when I asked > her about this): > > PS. Has your cat been on a minimum 4 to 6 week course of Doxocycline > for possible hemobartonella? Even if he tested negative he should have > gotten this (my opinion). Hemo is very hard to test for and many cats > tests negative again and again before it is finally found. Though they > are never cured of hemo the doxy will put it into remission. If they > don't have it it isn't going to hurt to get the doxy but my very well > save their life if they have an undiagnosed case of hemo. > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties > http://bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candlelight Service > http://bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com >
RE: Prayers for my Genevieve please
best wishes for Genevieve's speedy and full recovery I know that sometimes it feels like we are just waiting for the "other" shoe to drop with our positives, but sometimes, a URI is just that-- hope she and you feel better soon. tracy - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: 8/26/2007 5:43:36 PM Subject: Prayers for my Genevieve please My beautiful Genevieve whom I adopted and brought home in April has come down with a nasty URI yesterday.I started her on Zithro late last night and hope it kicks in soon.This little tortie won my heart instantly over a year ago when she came to Sids.It took me a year to get brave enough to bring her home.She is tough little girl but I know how hard felv is on a baby.Just wanted to ask for prayers and good thoughts.Thanks Sherry Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Another Question for Belinda - re: cost of protocal
any info re: costs? I will talk with my vets Monday or Tuesday, but I am curious about the costsi.e., for transfusion, epogen, etc... (I know about cost of prenisolone as I already have a cancer cat on this). Money is NOT the deciding factor, but I don't want to be shocked. Thanks. > [Original Message] > From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 8/26/2007 6:32:03 PM > Subject: Re: Questions for Belinda - for Tracy > > PS. At that low you may want to consider a transfusion to tide her over > until the epogen can kick in. I would also get her on Nutrived and vit > B shots right away. Iron, folic acid and vit b's are needed to build > blood, Nutrived has all of those. I give this to Fred, he is CRF and > was slightly anemic so I started him on the Nutrived and vit B shots so > we hopefully wouldn't get bad enough to have to use the epogen and his > HCT went from 24% to 30%. Don't know where it is now but from his > behavior I'd say in the high 20's or low 30's, he still gets the > Nutrived and vit B shots and I've added Marrow Plus which seems to have > given him added energy (Hidyeo recommended this). > > I buy the Nutrived here: > > http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=33 > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties > http://bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candlelight Service > http://bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com >
Re: Genevieve
Sorry to hear about Genevieve, sometimes it feels like this sorrow never ends.until you allow yourself to remember all the joy they brought to your life
Belinda--going to do transfusion with CW
CW went to the vet today and got a B12 shot and she and two of her negative buddies were "typed" to confirm they are compatible for transfusion (I have at least two good donor cats). Since CW is eating great (without any appetite stimulants) and not in any respiratory distress and her overall attitude and appearance is very positive, the vet said we could do the transfusion on Friday once with confirm the blood typing compatibiliy -- although it would be very rare, if the cats were not compatible, we might make things worse. My vet thinks the drop in RBC has been chronic and very gradual and may not dropping as quickly as sometimes since there have been no other symptomsso a wait of 2 days was ok. I am willing to try the epogen and prednisolone provided giving them is not a struggle and stressful to CW. I know this is not a cure, but since her qualitiy of life is still good, I sort of feel that I owe it to her to try and maintain that. I will keep folks posted. I am going to look into the supplement you suggested, too. Thanks, Tracy
RE: Goodbye, Olive...
I am so sorry..I was watching these threads to see how things went with Olive bec. I am dealing something similar right now. But the fact that you struggled and finally arrived at PTS simply says that you cared enough to make the best decision and sometimes PTS is the best choice. Olive most likely would not have recovered although I know that some folks here have had success dealing with anemia, I never have. Olive at least had the opportunity to be loved and cared for, even for a short time, so many cats and especially, FeLV+ never have that chance. Don't be sad too long. tracy
RE: Goodbye, Olive...
Olive was a beautiful little cat! The baby picture is great. Remember her like that.
Re: Lovey is gone
I am sorry to hear of Lovey and Perry's passing. These "positives" really seem to get under our skins. Maybe it's because they know many folks wouldn't give them a chance. Tracy Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
Another one gone
I lost two of my FeLV+ cats in the last month, the most recent was today when I put CW down. She was beginning to have difficulty breathing due to severe anemia. I tried a transfusion (only raised the RBC from 6% to 10%) and Epogen, but today my vet and I could see that she was becoming more and more uncomfortable and she was extremely pale, I swore that I would not wait until it was too late, I'd rather be a day or so too early. We had a nice three weeks, but today, I could tell the light had gone out in her eyes. Just last month Sylvester died at home and a few months before that, another FeLV+ cat, Herbie, had to be PTS. Funny, I have a negative cat (that is 12) with stomach cancer and have been treating him for more than 18 months (he probably had it at least a year before). He has not gone into remission, and we have done EVERY chemo protocol out there, but it has stopped growing and he is like the energizer bunny ... he keeps going and going and going. I really expected him to go long before the other three regardless, I miss them all. Tracy
OT .. Re: FELV- cat, throwing up....input/suggestions?
Here are the basics: Freckles was fine over the weekend and even until Monday mid-day, then he starts throwing up (clear vomit, not yellow or bloody, a little sticky like mucus) and does so about once every 4-8 hours, through that night. Call vet Tuesday a.m., they could not fit us in and so we went this a.m. He had no temp. and did not appear to be in pain or too depressed although it was clear he is not himself, less playful and more just sitting around. The vomiting continued Tuesday and so by this a.m., I am not sure when he last ate/drank, but he did pee in the litter box. He was NOT dehydrated and not yellow. X-rays did not show any obvious obstruction but there was a tiny spot that might need to be explored further if things dont improve. We were thinking he may have swallowed something that was stuck in his tummy, even a large hair ball which was making him vomit and not be hungry. He got an injection to address the throwing up, it may take 24 hours to really kick in and then I have pills to give him throughout tomorrow. Vet sent home ID food which is easy on the tummy in the hopes that once the omitting stops, we can start him on a bland diet to get him eating again. He threw up once when he got home and has mostly just slept, and is still not interested in food. So of course, I am worried sick. Freckles is approx. 2, very healthy and friendly normally. He is FELV-. I am looking for hints, suggestions, words of encouragement. My vet said he has seen this before and so he is not as worried as me, but.if he is not better by Friday a.m., he goes back. I am always prepared to take him to an emergency vet if things get worse, but my vets, who have known Freckles most of his life and last saw him a few months ago for routine stuff, seem confident this is not going to have a sad ending. I have lost 3 cats to FELV recently, and so they know how important this is to me right now. Tracy
RE: BooBoo left us
I'm sorry to read this. I have not posted about BooBoo but have read the postings. You and Bob really put your heart into helping him. You will be happy again --and it is not stupid, they do often let us know when they are ready to go Tracy - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 3/2/2008 10:04:32 PM Subject: BooBoo left us We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
Re: Need a rescue near VA for Felv pos snowshoe
How is his health overall? Is he healthy or already declining due to FeLV+? Has he been vetted otherwise (neutered, shots, etc)? Where are you? tracy -Original Message- From: Rinn Siegrist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Mar 14, 2008 8:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Need a rescue near VA for Felv pos snowshoe Hi, everyone, I'm a volunteer with Siamese Rescue, and I am trying to help a completely charming adult seal point snowshoe male that just tested positive (snap combo test) at my local SPCA. Siamese Rescue does not take Felv pos kitties. Does anyone know of any rescues in or around Virginia who could help? The SPCA is holding him through the weekend, so I need to find help quickly. Rinn Siegrist -- Rinn Siegrist, volunteer Siamese Cat Rescue Center [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 540-421-5159 http://va.siameserescue.org http://www.petsforlife.org
RE: Snowball
She is lovely! I, too,just lost a cat (although not a FeLV+), but a cat I had for 13 years and for the last two years, he was going through chemo for intestinal cancer. But prior to his passing, I agreed to take a cat that tested positive for FeLV and needed a home (I have had many FeLV+ cats, lost 3 last year to the disease). I was unsure about following through with taking the new cat when Puddin'taine died even though I knew it was coming. I went ahead and took the other cat and am so glad I did. He has really blossomed and made himself at home--even helping to fill the void left behind. I mention this because I know that Snowball will do the same for you and Bob. Every time I read where someone's pet has died and they say they can't go through that again and they decide "no more pets" I think how sad. I know it's tempting, having lost so many (since I typically rescue FeLV+ cats, that is unavoidable) and it never gets easier, but sometimes sooner or sometimes later, another furry soul comes along and needs you (and you need him/her). Here's wishing that you and Snowball have many many days together. Tracy
Re: Balance of puddy cats
Then I say...go for it. I understand being tired and wondering if you can do it (again) but something is pulling you to this cat. - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Balance of puddy cats ~ new cat? I am really on the fence about this. On one hand I would like to think fate is intervening. A felk near me. He was just neutered 1.5 yo needs a home. May have a home in IOWA I am in VA. The person in IA cannot take until May but deals with FELV cats. I have not talked to the owner or I should say caretaker she is not able to keep the cat until then. Right now the cat is still at the Vet clinic. i have only spoken with a siamese rescue person who got involved bc it is siamese. They cannot house due to teh felk. I had a part Siamese cat 4 years ago and will always miss the funny boy named Puttyrat See my email addy. I am just too tired to talk to this lady today. I had a root canal started Friday and my mouth still hurts. Hard to be upbeat when I am in pain. I think the cats will be taken care of, but I kinda would like the Siamese boy. Sally
PTS = put to sleep
Put to Sleep Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Debbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 2/26/2007 1:50:12 PM > Subject: Re: Help needed > > what does the pts stand for? > > >Definitely do not allow any pts. > > -Original Message- > >From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Feb 26, 2007 1:33 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: Help needed > > > >Hi Debbie, > > > >It sounds like you and your husband are doing and have > >done everything you can. That's all anyone can ask > >for. Don't be so hard on yourself; you've taken a lot > >on. I agree that printing off information and taking > >it to your vet would be wise, although since it's so > >expensive there, you might look into low cost clinics > >that are the closest. Most likely they will be > >located in the more densely populated cities, like > >Cincinnati, etc. That would probably save you quite a > >bit of money and the clinic might be willing to work > >with you pricewise since you have so many (ie. only > >charging for one office visit instead of 15, etc.). > >Your current vet should also be willing to work with > >you pricewise. If not, I'd start looking elsewhere. > >Definitely do not allow any pts. That is an old > >school practice. > > > >:) > >Wendy > > > > > > > >___ _ > >Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > >in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > >
Re: Help needed
I'm not sure what the initial question/thread was but I am getting the drift that it has to do w/multiple cat household and trying to determine the FeLV status. The only reason I really like to know is whether or not to vaccinate them-if I have a positive cat, I do not vaccinate them for FeLV+. OTherwise, their status makes no real difference in my home (I have both positive and negative and don't separate them at all). Well, I guess maybe, the ones I know are positive, I watch more closely, but heck, I've had negatives turn up with something sneaky and deadly more often than the positives (kidney failure, blockages, etc.) Tracy - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 2/26/2007 8:18:22 PM Subject: Re: Help needed I have 13 cats in a 1000 sq ft home. They all interact and get along with each other, share the same food and water bowls. So far only 2 have tested positive and these were hereditary. My vet suggests that I only worry about testing if any of them become extremely sick, otherwise the chances are very slim that they will contract it. Basically, I just keep an eye on everyone's health and only worry a little bit. Chris
Vacinating postivies (was Re: Help needed)
the main reason I don't like to vaccinate positives is I had one cat that was very healthy despite the FeLV+ status and the vet accidently gave him the vaccine, he went down hill immediately and then diedNOW, I doubt there was a connection, but. it was my vets who said don't vaccinate the positives and this was an honest mix up (I have many cats and brought them en mass for vaccines...) so if I know they are positive, I don't vaccinate. Tracy
RE: FeLV Supportive Vets in DC Area?
I am just outside of DC, in the Eastern Panhandle of WV and have great vets that have always supported me and my FeLV+ catssome have even done extra research just for me. There is a lady I know in DC that might be able to help you, too, I will try to contact her. Tracy - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 3/20/2007 7:26:56 PM Subject: FeLV Supportive Vets in DC Area? Hi. Is anyone in the DC area? Does anyone know of any vets who are supportive with FeLV + cats in the DC metro area (or Baltimore area)? The vet I've been working with doesn't think we should try IR or anything else. I'm tempted to get it and give it subq myself, but...that's probably not the best idea. I've got a call in to the oncologist at the hospital and to my regular vet. But I thought I'd see if anyone knows of any especially good vets in my area. Thanks!! MJ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
RE: FeLV Supportive Vets in DC Area?
I am just about 5 miles outside from Martinsburg. My vets are Shenandoah Veterinary Hospital, here is their website--they are general vets, but have worked with me (w/o ever making feel like it was useless or a waste of time to let my FeLV+ cats/kittens live. I have a (negative) cat w/lymphoma and they referred me to vets in Gaithersburg, (VCA/VRC). Right now I have 4 FeLV+--two tiny girls who had it as kittens and are probably 5 and 6 and very healthy, although small. I have another rescue from DC who is an adult male and he is very "pink" and healthy but has other issues (entropia), and a former farm tomcat who was diagnosed when I took him off a farm for a terrible URI--he came in all snotty and weighing 16 lbs--he was diagnoses positive so he never went back to the farm (he was not my cat--to start) and now he weighs in around 22 lbs! http://www.wvvethospital.com/ (my vets--Dr. Niamatali is esp. good to work w/re: the FeLV+ cats) here are the Gaithersburg vets (they have been wonderful with my "cancer cat") http://www.vcavra.com/ Tracy - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 3/20/2007 8:02:40 PM Subject: RE: FeLV Supportive Vets in DC Area? THANK YOU! I'd probably even be willing to drive to WV...are you near Martinsburg or...? My friend the vet tech who's here came from Charleston! THANKS Tracy Weese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am just outside of DC, in the Eastern Panhandle of WV and have great vets that have always supported me and my FeLV+ catssome have even done extra research just for me. There is a lady I know in DC that might be able to help you, too, I will try to contact her. Tracy - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 3/20/2007 7:26:56 PM Subject: FeLV Supportive Vets in DC Area? Hi. Is anyone in the DC area? Does anyone know of any vets who are supportive with FeLV + cats in the DC metro area (or Baltimore area)? The vet I've been working with doesn't think we should try IR or anything else. I'm tempted to get it and give it subq myself, but...that's probably not the best idea. I've got a call in to the oncologist at the hospital and to my regular vet. But I thought I'd see if anyone knows of any especially good vets in my area. Thanks!! MJ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
mediastinal LSA --anyone have succes with treatment??
One of my FeLV+ cats most likely has mediastinal LSA. I had positive kittens diagnosed with this and not live very long but that was a few years ago despite some conservative treatment (mainly aspiration/comfort measures). I am currently treating a NEGATIVE cat for intestinal cancer and he has done very well. I have also read that the mediastinal LSA often responds positively to chemobut most of those studies are on NEGATIVE cats. I'm sure that (sadly) at least someone else here has had a cat with this condition. The cat was otherwise health and w/o symptoms up until last Thursday. It initially appeared as URI like w/coughing/congestion sounds. But after no improvement with meds over the weekend, he was checked again, nothing in lungs but "mystery" spot on X-rays. We have consult with cancer vet and ultra sound tomorrow. Any input welcome. Tracy Weese Attorney at Law POB 3254 Shepherdstown, WV 25443 (304) 264-0595 Please be advised that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential attorney-client communication or may otherwise be privileged or confidential and are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or retransmit this communication but destroy it immediately. Recipients are prohibited from forwarding this message to persons not identified by the sender. Unauthorized dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have any questions, please call 304-264-0595.
Herbie (FeLV+) w/mediastinal LSA
I am most def. going to explore Herbie's options. I have always said that if I would do it for my negative cats, then I would do it for the positives. I have a negative cat that has done very well w/chemo for intestinal LSA so I know that cats can/do respond well to chemo. The kittens I talked about were so very little and the fluid keep building up very quickly that things appeared to be beyond hope. Now that was several years ago, I might have done things differently if it was now. My regular vet says there does not appear to be any fluid at this time, so I am thinking that is good. Still, he sounds "bubbly" like a lot of congestion but nothing in the lungs or chest, fluid-wise. I will fill folks in tomorrow night after we get back. I say "we" bec. I am thinking positive. If things look dreadful, then I will have to consider whether his discomfort (but I don't think he is in pain) will dictate the next move. Thanks. Tracy - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 4/26/2007 8:29:28 PM Subject: Re: mediastinal LSA --anyone have succes with treatment?? Dear Tracy: My little 9-month-old red tabby Sammy is FeLV+ and was recently diagnosed with lymphoma. After his first treatment on the Wisconsin/Madison protocol (which you will find on the Feline Lymphoma Caregivers Site) his diagnosis a week later at his second chemo appointment is "apparent remission." He just had his second treatment on Monday. He is handling the chemotherapy extremely well. In the ten days since he has been getting the Wisconsin/Madison Protocol he has gained weight, gotten muscle mass back, is following his two little brothers Teddy and Charlie and me around, never stopped eating, is beginning to play with his brothers and, of course, is also joining me and his two brothers in those all-important trips to the bathroom! Before his first chemo he looked AWFUL, sort of ratty, had big swollen glands, was finding it increasingly hard to rest comfortably in the ten days after I found those swollen glands until I finally got him in for chemo. What an awful week THAT was! Please also read on the same site about Samba Smith's remarkable lifespan as a FeLV+ cat who is alive over three years after treatment! So don't let anyone tell you to just offer palliative treatment because although these little guys may not live as long as FeLV- guys with lymphoma, every little guy is different. Sammy and I and Samba Smith and his mommy say "Go for it!" Does your little one have swollen lymph nodes? Are several fine-needle aspirations appropriate for a definitive diagnosis? Have an EXCELLENT time at the oncologist tomorrow (except for the indignity of having a little bald tummy for that ultrasound--ook)! Sincerely, Taylor, Billi Bi, Lilibet Squeekietoy, Charlie, Teddy and especially, Sammy Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 26, 2007, at 1:39 PM, Tracy Weese wrote: One of my FeLV+ cats most likely has mediastinal LSA. I had positive kittens diagnosed with this and not live very long but that was a few years ago despite some conservative treatment (mainly aspiration/comfort measures). I am currently treating a NEGATIVE cat for intestinal cancer and he has done very well. I have also read that the mediastinal LSA often responds positively to chemobut most of those studies are on NEGATIVE cats. I'm sure that (sadly) at least someone else here has had a cat with this condition. The cat was otherwise health and w/o symptoms up until last Thursday. It initially appeared as URI like w/coughing/congestion sounds. But after no improvement with meds over the weekend, he was checked again, nothing in lungs but "mystery" spot on X-rays. We have consult with cancer vet and ultra sound tomorrow. Any input welcome. Tracy Weese Attorney at Law POB 3254 Shepherdstown, WV 25443 (304) 264-0595 Please be advised that this e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential attorney-client communication or may otherwise be privileged or confidential and are intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy or retransmit this communication but destroy it immediately. Recipients are prohibited from forwarding this message to persons not identified by the sender. Unauthorized dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have any questions, please call 304-264-0595.
OK, Herbie does not have mediastinal LSA -- but probably something in his head/sinus area
which is making it hard for him to breathe. Two swollen lymph nodes --which were tested--results back Tuesday. But.I don't know that he can make it till then. It's like he is congested in his head--and I think it's harder for him air almost daily--like something is really moving fast. Right now he looks a little pale, but I am going to watch him and if he stays pale, then I guess we go to the emerg. vet. I really think this bad, I just feel like he might not be here much longer. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 4/29/2007 2:16:17 PM > Subject: From Michelle: Fwd: Re: mediastinal LSA --anyone have succes withtreatment?? > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
Herbie is gone......
Herbie was in a lot of distress at home and so I took him to the emergency vet (also the place that just saw him on Friday), even after being stabilized in oxygen, he continue to go down hill. His heart was enlarged and we were very limited in what diagnostics could be done in light of the stress on the heart (couldn't give him fluids) and then his inability to drawn air in..The new X-rays shows spots on the lungs and poss. fluid, the lymph nodes were still very large. So, with a poor prognosis, and the fact that he would not be able to survive surgery or sedation, I decided to let him go. When I went back to see him, I knew immediately it was the right thing to do--he looked awful, even with the oxygen, he was really struggling to breatheHe went as soon as the sedation was given, he was gone before the lethal fluid was even given. I will miss Herbie--he was such a love bug--hence, his name. He liked to lie next to other cats and put his "arms" around them. Tracy
Re: Herbie is gone......
Thanks for all the kinds words. I hadn't lost one in a while--and have been fighting lymphoma with a negative for a year, so to lose Herbie (when he had never been sick) was a little shocking. It's always so hard those first few days...you find your self looking for them and calling their names. Tracy
Re: My precious bottle baby is gone
I don't know you guys do bottle babiesthey must so be so very hard. I am sorry this little one did not make it, but without you, he had no shot at all. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 5/1/2007 7:42:19 PM > Subject: Re: My precious bottle baby is gone > > Nina, > > I do have URI in my house, but this kitten did not die of URI. Only > one of the 4 I have lost did. One dropped dead for no apparent > reason, 1 died of complications from AIHA, this little one died > because she was just too small. I read online that kittens who are > born at weight less than 3.4 oz have a bad survival rate - this one > was 4 oz at 22 days. > > Don't worry - I am not taking any more in. I haven't since last week > and am not until I can get my numbers under control. > > On 5/1/07, Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh Kelley, you were just looking for "compassion fatigue" support and > > now you lose another little soul. You must feel like you've been tossed > > about the rocks. You mentioned something about sickness in your house, > > is that just a supposition because you are losing so many, or do you > > know something for a fact? Have you stopped taking in fosters? You > > might want to consider that, anyway. You need time to heal and > > regroup. It's true that we can't help anyone else if we don't take care > > of ourself first. If you nurture and love yourself half as much as you > > do your fur friends, it will be enough. My heartfelt condolences > > Kelly. Never for a moment allow yourself to think that you are doing > > the wrong thing in engaging in rescue. You might need to step back and > > not do as much, but it is never wrong to reach out and help. Gather > > your support group around you, human and furred alike. Your cyber > > family is here for you too. Sending love, light and strength, > > Nina > > > > Kelley Saveika wrote: > > > Died at the vet today, where I had been taking her to be fed when I > > > was at work. > > > She was 4 oz as of yesterday. She lived 3 weeks and 2 days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. > > http://www.rescuties.org > > Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! > > http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused byanemia?
Open mouth breathing for cats is bad, very bad (at least that has been my experience and what my vets have said). Please have her checked ASAP, this sounds like the end and I know you do not want her to suffer. Best wishes. Tracy - Original Message - From: C & J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 5/31/2007 5:12:11 PM Subject: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused byanemia? I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but can't seem to find what i'm looking for. Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth slightly open most of the time. I can't decide if I should take her in to be put to sleep. I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long will an animal last in this sort of condition? I am sure she isn't feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just some discomfort. If this is going to go on for days, I should probably put her to sleep. How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting worse? Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing eventually? Thanks for any input. Cassandra
Re: Kissa
Please consider PTS as opposed to "letting it just happen" this difficulty breathing is distressful and painful. Tracy
Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likelycausedbyanemia?
That is true, but respiratory distress in a cat should never ever be ignored. This cat just sounds so compromised and ill that I would at least consider that this might be irreversible and signaling the end. I certainly don't wish that on anyone and not this poster or her cat, but having just had a perfectly healthy (other than FELV+) cat develop what initially seemed to be an URI and then to have him crash within days, open mouth breathe, and nearly die on the way to the ER vet (who then put him in the oxygen tent only to see him NOT get any relief) and to later (after PTS) discover that it was lylmphoma, I am very sensitive to this. I saw my Herbie stuggle to breath, I heard him yowl in pain, and remember how just weeks ago, my vet said he was in pain... I've had other, small FELV+ kittens go into this type of distress as well, that was the signal (in those cases) that we were beyond repair. I truly hope this can be resolved and the cat made better. Please keep us posted. Tracy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 5/31/2007 7:01:15 PM Subject: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likelycausedbyanemia? I know there have been other members here who lost cats in respiratory distress. Personally, if it has been on-going, but not worsening, I would go to the vet where the cat could be put in an oxygen cage for a while and treated (possibly with steroids like Dexamethasone or Depomedrol, or both). It's certainly not a sure sign of the end, by any means. Yes, sometimes it does happen that way, but then there are also many causes of respiratory distress, most of which ARE treatable. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma
you know, I have found this to be pretty true, also. I have taken several farm cats into my home bec. they got injured and were later determined to be FELV+ or they were simply too sweet to part with. Most have been former Toms (of course, they are immed. vetted/neutered, etc), but these cats have been the most loving cats I have had, that and the ones rescued from the city streets after being mangled up and rescued. It is almost like they are grateful. > [Original Message] > From: Sheryl Spagg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 6/26/2007 10:47:03 AM > Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma > > Hi Cassandra, > I can tell you by my recent experience with farm cats > that sometimes the momma is so thankful to be taken > care of and loved that the stress goes away quicker > than we think it will. I rescued 6 kittens and a > momma from a farm that sounds as bad as the one you > are describing...except the dog liked the kitties...I > worried about the momma after being in a house but she > is doing awesome! She loves me now and enjoys > getting petted and loved. Give your farm momma a > chance you might be surprised how thankful she will be > that you saved her and her babies...I know my farm > family is thankful! > Good luck > Sheryl > > > --- C & J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My husband works with a young guy who lives with his > > parents on a farm. These people have barn cats, who > > they basically care very little about. Well one of > > the cats had kittens a couple of days ago, and got > > cornered by a dog. By the looks of how scratched up > > the dog was, she put up a good fight, but the dog > > ate all but 2 of the kittens. The farmers don't > > care about the kittens at all, so they may still be > > in danger from the dog. > > > > My husband, feeling empty and sad by all that we've > > been through, and wanting to make me happy again, > > offered to take the mom and babies. > > > > I seriously don't know what to make of this. On the > > one hand, it is far far too soon for me take in > > anymore kitties, especially three of them. By the > > sounds of it, momma is half wild as she doesn't > > receive much attention from humans. She is used to > > being outside on the farm, and I don't know how she > > would handle coming into a strange house all of a > > sudden. It is possible she might get stressed out > > and not take care of her little ones? > > > > I also wanted to test my remaining two cats for FeLV > > in about 6 weeks, to make sure they haven't picked > > it up. I didn't want to expose any kittens to the > > virus. Plus I don't know if this momma is even > > healthy. She could have the virus herself, or any > > other number of things. She will never have been > > vaccinated. If I was going to get more kitties, I > > wanted to check out their backgrounds a little bit. > > > > On the other hand, these poor kitties may or may not > > survive on the farm. Nobody cares about them. > > Plus, ever since I was 9 years old and watched a > > mother cat give birth and watched the kittens grow, > > i've wanted to experience that again. I know I > > could give them a much better life. > > > > I just know i'm not ready to make this sort of > > decision. I've got open wounds that will take a > > long time to heal, and just replacing my 3 lost > > babies so quickly is not the way to heal. I wasn't > > even sure I wanted to get more cats, and definately > > wanted to wait quite awhile. I felt both appalled > > and excited when my husband told me that he had > > offered to take the kitties in. When it hurts so > > much, sometimes you just want to try filling those > > empty places in your heart. > > > > I know its difficult to give me any advice on this > > one, but I just needed to tell someone. You have > > all been friends to me through the rough times. > > > > Cassandra > > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head)
I, too have a FeLV+ cat that has been extremely healthy for her entire life (10+ years) and just recently started limping (favoring her right hind leg) and at times I would see her head bob or nod (it appears involuntary) -- took her to vet and of course she refused to walk, just crouched down and wouldn't move (she is a shy kitty). We ran complete blood panels to check for neuropathy, diabetes, etc., and the blood work indicated she was in excellent health as usual! But, she keeps limping and bobbing/nodding. So I am taking her back now for xrays, and whatever. So I am particularly interested in what others have found out -- I will keep folks posted on what I find out about Vixen (my cat), too. -Original Message- >From: Laurieskatz >Sent: Jun 24, 2010 11:19 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs > >Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy. >L > >-Original Message- >From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather >Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs > >Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group, >this website has a great index of symptoms & treatments A-Z, >http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for "weakness >in back legs" and several things are listed, though I think most are things >that would have showed in the chemistry. We had a feral kitty who was >paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like >you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be "covered" >anyway). Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility? > >I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input. > >Love & good thoughts to Wolfie! > >Heather > >On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy wrote: > >> Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive >> cats getting weak in the back legs. My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been >> positive since we rescued him 6 years ago. He's been pretty healthy other >> than the last year or so. Last September he was diagnosed with >> non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then. I recently >> took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs, >> walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods >of >> time. His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual. Chemistry >> looks ok. >> >> I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg >> issues. She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no >> warning. This is different from that situation and just wondering what >> could be going on. We did an ultrasound today. No sign of lymphoma or >> anything pressing on the spine. No real loss of muscle mass on physical >> exam. We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the >> anemia. The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with >the >> leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find any >> literature on this. I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had a >> similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on. >> >> Thanks >> Amy >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
I remember when you posted initially -- I responded that I, too, had a cat that began experiencing rear leg weakness and then some head tremors. Her blood work (a reg health screen) was great (but for FeLV) so they sent her home and said watch her and see if it gets better, worse, etc. Well, it never got better so I took her in for xrays and the vet then said that toxoplasmosis was a possiblity and one other thing (crypto??) and so we ran specific tests for that -- the xrays showed no tumors or lesions. The test results said NO toxo or "crypto", but it did show corona virus and so now folks are thinking FIP (dry). They are running a blood serum test now and then once I have those results will decide whether there is any need to explore further. My vet thinks it really must be FIP bec. of the FeLV status and the neuro symptoms and the fact that the xrays were good and the other blood tests were negative -- even though it is sometimes hard to diagnoses FIP. So, I am really bummed out and don't mean to bum you out, but did not know if you explored this or not. Right now my cat is eating well but still has that rear leg weakness and some head tremors -- although they "seem" a little less (this could be wishful thinking on my part). When she came home from the xrays and while we were waiting on the toxo results, the vet started her on clindamyacin which I finished giving her this week. -Original Message- >From: Lorrie >Sent: Jul 23, 2010 5:23 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs > >Amy, I've had several FelV cats with back leg problems, and >they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing stairs or >trying to jump up on things. I'd let him do what he thinks >he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him, and >this is always bad for FelV cats. > >Lorrie > > >On 07-23, Amy wrote: > >> Wondering if people would offer an opinion. My cat, Wolfie, has >> rear leg weakness that is getting progressively worse. He's been >> seen by numerous vets and it's not going to get any better. I'm >> guessing the leukemia is finally getting the best of him. >> >> Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let him do. Initially >> my vet said not to restrict him, that letting him use the muscles >> was good for them. He is now starting to stumble or sit more >> often. He doesn't totally fall over or anything, just gets a bit >> wobbly or sits down. If he's on linoleum, he has much less >> control of his legs. He is still jumping up and down on my bed, >> eating, purring, laying on my chest, going up and down stairs, >> etc. I don't want him to get hurt and him doing the stairs makes >> me so nervous. On the other hand, I don't want to restrict him >> out of fear. I talked to the receptionist at the vet and she said >> if it was her cat, the stairs would be off limits. This will be >> so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very shy one that hides in >> the basement and only comes out when my son is sleeping. I would >> have to force her to stay in the basement or out of the basement >> (as opposed to having access to the cat door in the basement >> door). The last thing I want is to see Wolfie get hurt but I >> can't seem to think that if he gets to a point where he can't do >> the stairs, he will stop doing them. Is that foolish? He is such >> an opinionated, strong-willed cat and I know he will not be >> pleased if I restrict him in any fashion. >> >> Oh and he doesn't have to do any stairs. He has food, water, and >> litter on all floors. He just chooses to. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks >> Amy > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
Vixen is pretty tough and until now, had never had any sickness despite being FeLV positive. She is still eating good, but she tires easily. She is still very pink and her attitude is good -- our apptmt is next Wednesday and I am debating whether to go forward or not. I am trying to take a clue from her -- trying to gage if she is depressed and just wants to rest foreverbut she seems to want to keep going so far... but all that could change in a minute. Thanks. -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Aug 25, 2010 6:29 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: Tracy Weese >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. > >IS SHE A FIGHTER? YOU HAVE TO WATCH HER AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE WANTS. I AM SO >FORTUNATE THAT MY 2 FELV BABIES ARE STRONG AND HEALTHY. WHAT IS HER QUALITY >OF LIFE? IT IS SO HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS I WISH THEY COULD TALK AND >TELL US WHAT THEY WANT. NO ANSWER FOR YOU, JUST SOME THOUGHTS. > Tracy Weese wrote: >> >> My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation >> which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. >> The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust >> and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. >> >> Now, this. >> >> She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still >> likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the >> oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply >> pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer >> cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., >> that folks might have. >> >> She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several >> infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious >> diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone.
He is forever beautiful. Thank you for taking care of him. -Original Message- >From: Frank & Sue Koren >Sent: Feb 4, 2011 8:05 PM >To: FeLV talk >Subject: [Felvtalk] Tweeze is gone. > >Tweezer lost his battle with this horrible disease this afternoon. He had >an aggressive lymphoma so there was no hope that he would get better or that >he could even be made more comfortable. He crashed at the beginning of this >week and was having spasms that were making it very difficult for him to >eat, drink or even to stand. He has been very unhappy and scared all week >long. > >When I took Tweezer in he was extremely malnourished and had worms, ear >mites, goopy eyes and an upper respiratory infection. As his health >improved he became such a happy cat! He was so happy to be alive, he always >wanted to play and be loved. This is a you-tube link to a video I took of >him a few months ago. He would come to me and ask me to come and play with >him and then lead me to the toys. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/user/katlover13100#p/a/u/2/xXvteShI_Ig > > > >Rest in peace my darling Tweezer. My heart is breaking but at least there >is no feline leukemia where you are now. > > > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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RE: Anakin is gone
I'm sorry Anakin lost his fightbut you are right, he will not be lonely--so many fur babies to welcome him home. Tracy - Original Message - From: catstevens To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 3/9/2005 10:29:57 PM Subject: Anakin is gone When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone & most take time to work & he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his heart & he has a heart murmur.She said his kidneys were alot smaller.She went to take a bit of blood he didn't even move,but she said there was so little blood left in him she couldn't.She said that the best thing we could do for him is to pts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's & I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him & tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin is with all our fur babies the have past. Love Anita
RE: My beautiful angel Jazz is gone
I'm sorry Jazz needed to go, but as you said, she and her brother and sister are all together and whole. It's terribly hard to lose them, esp. when it happens suddenly. Tracy
RE: Brissle is gone...
I am sorry Brissle had to go. Thank you for letting her go peacefully--they do hang on for us and I know we often want to keep tryingTake care. Tracy
Re: Akira
I'm sorry it's time for Akira to leave, but she is surrounded by all your love and hopefully, she will pass peacefully. Tracy
Re: medications_available
Stan-- Thanks for your offer. I don't need any medications rights now, but I, too, have "forwarded on" meds after one of mine has lost the fight. I think the pills will be ok for a while, the interferon will probably NOT be able to be mailed if it has already been reconstituted. If nobody has a need right now, you can be sure, there will be a need later. You may want to try any local rescues in your area, too. Often they are more than happy to snag some left over meds, even a dose or two, helps. Tracy-Original Message- From: stany petrov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jul 17, 2005 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: medications_available Hi all, A month ago I told you that I have some medicines left from Jersey (he crossed the Rainbow Bridge June 1-st) Plase, if somebody needs them, just give me an address and I will mail them to you. I have: Glavamox 62.5 mg - 4 tablets Prednisolne - 5 mg. - 7 tablets Cyproheptadine - 4mg - 2 and a hals tablets I also have an Interferon Alpha about 8ml. which I keep in the refrigerator. I don't know if it is not going to be damaged if I mail it because of the temperature (somebody with more experience can tell). Please, take those medications. I don't want anything for them. Hopefully, they can help any other kitten. Stan
RE: My little man has gone to rainbow bridge
I sorry Bramble had to leave. I'm glad you took him today and didn't wait. I never regret going a day too soon as much as a day too late. tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anemia - My Cat Arlo has severe anemia - PLEASE HELP
Did they do that test that checks to see if there are all stages of the RBC development? It's some kind of stain test, something Blue. I wish I could remember it--when one of my cats got several anemic, he was determined to have Hemobart (he was FeLV+) and so I said we would treat that since I don't PTS just for FeLV+. But then when another vet check him, they did this "stain" test which showed that his marrow was no producing any new RBCs and probably hadn't for some time. So it was really an unfixable situation. I let Leroy go soon after that bec. even if he fought the Hembart, his body wasn't making RBCs. The test sounds like "methyl...blue...something. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 10/15/2005 9:44:06 AM Subject: Anemia - My Cat Arlo has severe anemia - PLEASE HELP Hello Group:I just got back from the vet where my 11 month old cat "Arlo" wasgiven a blood transfusion and a battery of tests. The prognosis isnot good..PROBALLY FelV ...so I wanted to get some feedback from the group ifthere is anything else I can try if the meds I am giving don't work --I am all earsI really want my little guy to make it.His PCV/TS (on presentation) was 7%/8.0 g/dLHis PCV/TS (AFTER THE TRANSFUSION) IT was . : 10%/6.6 g/dL. He came back negative for FelV/FIV , his kidneys are fine, so is hiswhite blood cell count. But the Vet believes that he does have FelV, it's just hiding out in the bone marrow. They have given me meds to treat him for IMHA and Hemobart but nothing specifically for FelV. What about interferon? What about Immuno regulin? Please help me sort this out. I am bringing him back to the vet on Monday or Tuesday and would like to have a plan or at least more info then I have now.Here's the summary of the Vets prognosis: "Presentation: On presentation, Arlo was quiet, but alert and responsive. MM - Pale, CRT - unable to get. Heart Rate - 200 bpm, Resp Rate - 50 bpm, Temp - 99.8 F, Blood pressure - 115 mmHg. Arlo was tachycardic with a graqe VI heart murmur was auscultated. Lungs auscltated clear and eupneic. His pulses were fair and urine was staining his perineum. The remainder of his physical exam was within normal limits. Because of the mild clinical signs relative to the severity of theanemia, this anemia is most likely chronic in nature. The CBC resultsand reticulocyte count reveal that the. anemia is non-regenerative.Even though the FelV/FIV test was negative, this doesn't rule out FelVas a cause of the chronic non-regenerative anemia. Other causes of achronic anemia include red blood cell parasites such as hemobartonella(typically regenerative). We highly recommend that a bone marrowaspirate and cytology be performed in order to definitively rule outFeIV. As this was not an option (for financial reasons), we plan totreat for a potential hemobartonella infection with Doxycycline (anantibiotic). There is no effective treatment for Feline Leukemia Virus.Another potential cause of the anemia is IMHA (immune-mediatedhemolytic anemia) which results when the body attacks its own redblood cells (RBCs). This is a less likely differential as bloodworkresults usually show a regenerative response in spite of thedestruction of red blood cells. Additionally, bilirubin levels arecommonly increased with this syndrome. The hemolysis is also usuallyevident when performing the PCV/TS. There was no evidence of hemolysisat this time. Treatment of IMHA involves steroid therapy to suppressthe immune systein and prevent its attack on the RBCs. If Arlo doeshave hemobartonellosis, steroid therapy could .potentially make itworse. .While the heart murmur is most likely secondary. to the anemia, aprimary cardiac cause cannot be ruled out without chest radiographs+1- echocardiogram. The murmur improved after administering the bloodtransfusion. Chest and abdominal x-rays would also help to evaluatefor lymph node enlargement and/or organ enlargement (common in felineleukemia virus). .Discharge Instructions:Please schedule a recheck appointment either through your regularveterinarian or through the medicine service at FA VS in 2-3 days toevaluate his response to therapy. This may entail performing repeatbloodwork to evaluate the anemia. If he becomes acutely much morelethargic or depressed or inappetant and his gums appear pale, pleasebring him back immediately as he may require another blood transfusion.1. Doxycycline (Vibramycin) (5 mglml solution): Please give 6 ml bymouth once dailyfor the next 8 days. A dose was already given intravenously today. 2. BaytriI (68 mg tablet): Please give 'l4 tablet by mouth once dailyfor 14 days. 3. Prednisone (5 mg tablet): Please give 1 tablet by mouth twice dailyindefinitely.Response to therapy will be re-evaluated. If IMHA is the cause of theanemia, Arlo will require long term steroid therapy.&
RE: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV
My only experience with a FeLV+ cats getting the vaccine was scary. One of my adult cats (prob. 5-8 years old -- rescue cat so we were unsure of age) was at the Vet's and without thinking, they gave him the FeLV vaccine. Shortly thereafter, he started a downward spiral and it only got worse, eventually (w/i 7 mos) I PTS. Now, it could be a coincidence, but it made me uneasy. I have heard what you are saying, but until there is more info, I doubt I would intentionally do that. Maybe others have had a more positive experience. Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 10/17/2005 11:56:26 AM > Subject: vaccinating FELV cats for FELV > > Hi all, > > I've recently heard from someone , that one approach to enhancing the > immune systems of FELV cats is to vaccinate them periodically for > FELV. Anybody heard of that? > > It changed my thinking - I'd always heard NOT to give the FELV vaccine to > FELV cats. Helps me remember not to get too set in my thoughts, in > particular about FELV. Any knowledge of that? > > Thanks! > > GLoria > >
RE: Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home
Sometime Siamese Rescue can help. They adopted 2 out to me (I'm in WV) but others have found homes much closer, I think another list member also got at least one cat/kitten from them (w/FeLV). > [Original Message] > From: Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 11/28/2005 12:01:23 PM > Subject: Texas - FELV Seal Lynx Point Ragdoll needs home > > Anybody in Texas that can take a gorgeous FELV Ragdoll? > > Gloria > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "MeLinda Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: November 27, 2005 6:08:09 PM CST > > To: "Gloria B. Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Re: Clinic > > > > Gloria: > > I am trying to place another FeLV+ female, a gorgeous Seal Lynx > > Point Ragdoll with the best personality. She is in good shape, > > shows no signs of illness, is spayed, has had all her shots, been > > dewormed, etc. Unfortunately, I don't have any isolation space to > > keep her, so I am trying to get her into a good rescue like yours, > > where I know she will be well taken care of. She is a precious > > girl. Please let me know if you can help. > > > > MeLinda
Re: FeLV+ cat and FeLV- kitten in the same house
I have + and - together, but I do try not to take a - negative kitten until they can have all of their shots. BUT, I think keeping them separated until then would probably be fine, too. People forget that sometimes a slight risk is better than not taking in a cat/kitten that otherwise might not get a home. Tracy
RE: Bailey has gone home
I'm sorry Bailey had to leave you11 years, that was a good run. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 5/7/2006 12:54:22 AM > Subject: Bailey has gone home > > Bailey left us at 6:20 this evening. He took a bad turn for the > worse late last night and when I took him in this morning for his > surgery it was evident he wasn't in good enough shape. We gave him > fluids for a couple hours because he was dehydrated, his blood pressure > was 60 and his temperature went from 103 yesterday to 98 today, his > blood work was normal except his platelet count was low so he wasn't > clotting and suregery was out of the question unless we could get his > platelet count up. After two hours of fluids and a blood transfusion > his platelets came up but his temperature was now 94, 96 puts kitties at > risk for heart failure and she couldn't even get a blood pressure. > > My vet said we have 3 options, we could continue the fluids and support > and see if things changed and if they did he could have the surgery > tomorrow. > Go ahead with the surgery and get in and out as quickly as possible or > she could euthanise him. > > I asked her what she honestly thought of his condition, she said she > though he was leaving on his own, I agreed. We talked, I asked her what > to expect if he was going to die and she told me what the likely > scenarios would be, she gave me a syringe of pain meds incase it got > really bad for him, it would basically knock him out so he wouldn't > suffer and pass on his own, she had a dinner engagement but told me to > call if she was needed. I had told Bailey it was his decision to stay > or go, and told him to do what was best for him. I brought him home on > the fluids to keep supporting him and if he did turn for the better we > would consider the surgery later. His breathing got worse just taking > him to the car so I knew in my heart we didn't have long. > > We had about an hour, he was home with us and we were with him when he > left. He is whole now and FeLV free for the first time. We were so > lucky to have him for 11 years, his birthday was Monday. I will miss > his bouncy, happy personality. He was so special and I learned so much > thanks to him. He was our only positive and the one that was > responsible for my learning everything I have about FeLV+, he has helped > me save many positives and for that I thank him. I miss my little > Baidely boys so much already ... take care all. Give your special guys > and extra special hug for Bailey. > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties > http://bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candlelight Service > http://bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com >
Was: How is Samantha today? / Now: cleaning up
I'm not sure there is much chance of FeLV living on anything very long once the disease has been exposed to air and dried BUT I AM no expert. I have read from others that they typically do a thorough cleaning and either throw out toys (or keep them for keepsakes, but not other cats). I personally live with 4 FeLV+ cats and 6 negatives (and that number has been variable depending on rescue and losing cats for whatever reason) and do not separate anything (not food bowls, water, litter pans) but have never had a negative cat turn/become positive so I think the chances of any transfer, esp. after the affected cat has passed (and I'm sorry for your loss), is minimal. How wonderful you will give 2 new cats a loving home. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Julia Hagstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 6/30/2006 5:21:41 PM > Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? > > Thanks, everyone, for all the support. I need to know what kind of > cleaner to use, as I have been offered a kitty who is a month younger > than Samantha was, and needs a home; her owner is moving to an > apartment, where they don't allow pets. Also, I have a chance to get a > really young kitten, as the lady behind the counter where a friend and > I bowl has a cat who is about to give birth, so I might end up with 2 > cats. I want to clean my house before any more cats come in to it, > make sure there is NO chance of the FelV virus still being around. I > am throwing out all of Samantha's toys, her food and water dishes, and, > most especially, her litter box. What's a good cleaner to use??? > > Julia > > On Friday, June 30, 2006, at 07:40 AM, Terri Brown wrote: > > > I can only echo Marylyn's words. Big hugs to you. > > > > Goodnight, sweet Samantha... > > > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, > > Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec & > > Salome' =^..^= > > > > Cool Catholic Stuff! Click Here --> www.TotallyCatholic.com/Theresa > > > > Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ > > My Personal Page: > > http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 > > Come check me out on MySpace at > > http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Marylyn > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:14 PM > > Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? > > > > Spend tonight loving her and cuddling her in your heart. You can > > send her all sorts of love without moving her or causing her pain. > > Just be with her and tell her it is alright to leave this world. That > > you are going to be ok. She may well decide to leave tonight on her > > own but she needs to know that is ok with you and > > .well, she is very concerned about you and your > > welfare. She needs permission to leave this body and needs to know > > that you know she will remain around in spirit. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have men who > > will exclude any of God's creatures > > from the shelter of > > compassion and pity, you will have men who > > will deal likewise > > with their fellow man. > > St. > > Francis > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Julia Hagstrom > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: How is Samantha today? > > > > Thanks for your good wishes; she told me last night that she is ready > > to go. She is in a lot of pain, with her big eyes looking up at me, as > > if to say, "Please, help me!" I decided this morning that tomorrow is > > the time to let her go. I'll take her to my vet, and it will be swift > > and painless. She'll be free to breathe again, without working so hard > > at it, and will never have pain again. :( I'll be crying, but I know > > it's the best thing for her; I've already made the arrangements, and > > she'll be well taken care of. Thank you all for your support, and I > > will stay on the Email list, because I'm going to get another kitty > > right away, so as not to be alone, and reading y'all's Emails has > > given me an education, so I'll still need that, until I make sure my > > new kitty is safe from this terrible disease. Thanks! > > > > Julia > > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2006, at 06:43 AM, Marylyn wrote: > > > > She will tell you when it is time. Listen to her with your heart then > > do all you can to help her on her journey. That may be to do nothing > > or to help her leave---both are so hard. But listen to your loving > > cat. She is so grateful to you for all your love. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have men who > > will exclude any of God's creature
RE: Please say a prayer for Lucy
Don't wait, get her checked. One of my negative cats, Puddin'taine, started losing weight last year and I took him in to the vets' and we ran all kinds of tests and everything seemed to be finehe was almost ten and we thought maybe he was just losing a little as some cats dowell, then he began the vomiting and it was very bad w/dry food so I put him on wet food only which almost eliminated the vomiting...but he began to lose more weight and so..finally an xray which showed suspicious masses and an exploratory surgery which confirmed two areas in the abdomen/intestines.now we are going thru chemo and even with a good response, they won't give him more than 6-9 mos unless the cancer goes into remission, which it has not yet although he has improved and gained weight. I will continue to treat him as long as his quality of life is good, and it is right now, I'm hoping the next sonogram shows the masses shrinking I wish I had not waited that year-I felt I was doing the right thing and felt like a fool when I kept taking him in saying "something was just not right" and I spent the money on all the blood tests/organ functioning tests/geriatric testsI didn't put a limit on it, but didn't keep going with the xrays/sonograms bec. everything was negative and the switch to wet food did seem to help -- my vets mentioned the xrays/sonograms, but even they did not seem to think we needed to keep going until the weight loss started again after the switch to all wet food. The earlier you know if it is lymphoma the better the outcome may becats do well w/chemo if caught in time. Have the xray or sonogram or take the step to have the exploratory surgery and biopsy, it will likely give you the answers you need. I'm guessing Lucy is FeLV+ and as I understand it, that will make the fight tougher so the sooner the better. You have my best wishes for a good outcome for Lucy. Tracy - Original Message - From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 7/13/2006 11:27:16 PM Subject: Please say a prayer for Lucy Lucy was doing better, getting over her IBD flare-up I thought; but I tapered her down to 5 mg/day of pred yesterday (did 10 for a week, then 7.5 for 4 days, then 5 starting yesterday) and today she is worse-- some diarrhea with some blood, less interest in food, and under 8 pounds for the first time. I put her back on 10 mg pred today and cooked her something new (duck) which I am now afraid will mess her up even more. I made another appointment (canceled the last one) with the internist in Red Bank, 1.5 hours away, for next Wednesday. I was going to try to take her tomorrow, but my mom has convinced me thus far to wait and see if she gets better again from the pred and not take her if she does. I don't know. I fear intestinal lymphoma. I feared it when she first flared up 2 weeks ago, but then after 3 days on 10 mg/day of pred and eating just turkey her diarrhea totally went away and she even got constipated from lack of fiber, and I figured that was unlikely to happen with lymphoma and more likely to be a flare-up of IBD. But now I don't know. She has never needed to be on so much pred for more than a few days before, and she has never lost so much weight (though she also has never been on an entirely protein diet before either). If she does not have lymphoma, her IBD has gotten much worse than it was. I am very depressed by this. If you can spare her some good thoughts and prayers, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Michelle
RE: As always, Patches
i have a negative cat with lymphoma and keeping his weight up is vital. i've also been where you are with a FELV+ catright now, i'm having great luck with fancy feast--it's like crack for cats! well, it doesn't make them all skinny, but it appears to be very addictive. i, too, have tried all the premium food, a/d, etclunch meat, salmon. good luck. Tracy - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 8/9/2006 2:02:55 PM Subject: As always, Patches My housemate Gail and I are at our wits' end. He just will not eat. We have tried every combination of approaches we possibly can with every combination of food that we can. We gave him the liver shake on Saturday and he wolfed it down, and the next meal he refused it but ate some regular canned food and some crunchies, and then after that, nothing. We syringed him with the liver stuff a couple times, and then A/D, offering them in a bowl first, or offering tuna food or tuna juice, and still he barely sniffs at things. He has taken a couple of treats, but no longer jumps eagerly into our laps for them. Gail works first shift and I work 8-4:30 in another town, so the only time we are at home together is about 4 hours at night. Feeding him is definitely a two-person job, so except for weekends and days like this (I'm home sick) we've got to cram a day's worth of food into that little time. When our Luc wouldn't eat, we had him intubated so that one person could feed him a few times a day, but that nearly broke our bank and we can't afford to do that for this little guy. What kills me is he doesn't like us too much any more, because of necessity, every time we go into his room it's to do something bad to him. And I keep thinking about what somebody said here about cats not understanding "future", it's all "now", and all his "nows" really suck. I really wish I knew why he came to us -- to be saved, or to have a comfortable and loving place to pass. I could live with it, if it's the latter, but if it is, he must feel like he's in Hell. Plus, today I have a sore throat and the beginnings of a cold, and I'm worried about making him worse. It's sort of moot because Gail can't feed him alone, but it's just another thing to obsess about. Sorry this is so gloomy, but this is really wearing us all down. In case anybody has some words of wisdom: His eyes are still somewhat runny, though not as bad as before. Vet had us discontinue the eyedrops, and she supplemented the last few Orbax with Clavamox twice a day (at least he's easy to pill alone). (We were at the vet's on Saturday, right after he seemed to be starting to eat again.) He seems to keep down the great majority of what we feed him. At least once per feeding his little tongue comes out and it looks like he's going to hurl, but then he burps and is okay. We have crunchies available all the time, no inroads into them for days, same with water, although there's considerable water in the A/D when we syringe it. His poop is runny, understandably. I would be most grateful if anybody has some fresh ideas. :-) Diane R. ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ ="Nice kitty!" -- Prof. Radcliffe Emerson The Snake, the Crocodile and the Dog^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^ ^. .^= ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ = = ^ =
RE: As always, Patches
I hope Patches starts feeling better, cats are do diff. from dogs when it comes to eating, etc. I hope Fancy Feast or one of the other things mentioned works. Usually, when they go off their feed, it takes them a little while before they really eat well again (assuming you can get him eating). I'd just put a little out at a time bec. fresh seems to work best. Also, if depression is part of this, sometimes a good "dose" of catnip, will cheer them up! Good luck. PS--they now have cat and dog gravy which might tempt Patches, too. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 8/10/2006 2:18:54 PM > Subject: RE: As always, Patches > > I've just talked to our vet, who wants us to come in and give Patches > some fluids and a vitamin B injection before she prescribes an appetite > stimulant. Luckily they're open till 6:30 today, and the vet tech can > do this. We've tried to keep an eye on his hydration, and WE haven't > noticed any tenting in his skin, but he's fluffy and maybe we missed > something. > > We will be taking a trip to the grocery store for Fancy Feast and sour > cream (clerk is gonna think one of us is hellaciously pregnant) and > we're going to bring a radio into the room -- I'm thinking we're partly > treating depression on top of everything else -- Patches was such a > people-lover when he got here, and with our schedules and him having to > stay behind a door, it must be hard on him. > > Thanks for asking, Nina, and for your wise counsel. > > Diane R. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 11:24 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: As always, Patches > > Diane, > How are you and Patches doing today? I'm so sorry to hear he doesn't > want to eat. I believe it's true that animals live in the "now", but I > also think they are much more accepting of their sufferings and > limitations than we are. They never seem to be saying, "why me?". I > don't know how you feel about animal communication, if you think you'd > like to try and communicate with Patches, you could join the AC list > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/animalcommunication/ and ask them for > their help. It's an amateur group, but there's one lady on there that > seems to be very good at communication and she will do an email reading > for $25. Write me off list if you want her address. > > I wish I did have words of wisdom for you. I know how hard it can be to > > watch them run from us when all we're trying to do is help and how hard > it is to see them suffer. The only thing I can suggest is to spend as > much time as you can just being with Patches. If he doesn't want to be > touched, just spend some quiet time with him in the same room. Reach > out to him with your love and let him know how grateful you are to have > him in your life. Look into his eyes, the answer to your questions is > there. Even without an animal communicator, he'll let you know what he > needs and wants. I have a little Girl named Gypsy that was closer to > death without actually passing than anyone could imagine. I started to > feel guilty about not helping her cross, but her eyes told me she wanted > > to keep fighting. I resolved to fight with her and miraculously she did > > pull through. > > Blessings to you, Gail and Patches in this difficult time, > Nina > > > This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. > They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this > transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from > your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to > inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we > provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not > intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. > >
RE: Spencer is feeling better!
Since he is feeling better, would you consider having the fluid drawn off his chest? If the dex shots slow things down, drawing off what is there, might really help him feel better and eat and get stronger. He is your kitty and you know him best, but I've had kittens who needed this done and it was not that traumatic and it really made an improvement in them. I'm so glad Spencer is doing better and hope he continues to feel good. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Date: 9/9/2006 12:09:54 PM > Subject: Spencer is feeling better! > > Hi All, > Thank you Kerry R for taking the time to send support and share your's > and Inky's Mom's experience with me. I'm not able to answer everyone's > posts individually, but please know that each and every one means the > world to me. I'm actually feeling much more light hearted as I write to > you. Spencer has benefited from the dex shots and is feeling MUCH > better. (Thank you, thank you, Michelle!). He's started to eat on his > own, not as much as he needs to, but still, significant improvement. > He's been grooming himself and this morning he once again was able to > join the dogs in the front yard when we went to get the paper! In > addition to the daily dex injections, I've got him on a "general" > homeopathic, (BioPlasma), oral interferon and transdermal Cypro (for > appetite stimulation). Michelle, is it as safe as my vet implies to > give him these daily injections indefinitely? The feline interferon > didn't seem to help him and his reaction to it was not good, so I'm > probably not going to try that again. I called my vet and asked her > about Elspar. Her assistant told me she could prescribe it, but it's > $200 a vial and she seemed a little surprised that I would want to > pursue it. I'm still waiting for a call back for her suggestions. Once > again I find myself in the position of having to make decisions about > just how much I am willing to put a "terminal" animal through in order > to buy time. One day at a time, one moment to the next. Pray my > intuition and communication skills don't fail me. > Nina > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/442 - Release Date: 9/8/2006
Re: OTS..need suggestions
I would also note that most local ords. re: stray/feral cats seem to indicate that if a person takes on the responsibility for feeding cats, then they can be held responsible for the cats and for getting the vaccinationsso, while folks want to imply that feral/strays belong to know one, other animal control laws seem to suggest that the simple act of feeding these cats makes them YOUR property and responsibility. So I think certain laws/statutes might send conflicting messages depending on the "goal" of the law. There has been a turn towards more respect for pets/animals in general, but some areas still lag behind. I am not sure what the real topic here was, but just thought I'd throw in my two cents re: ownership of strays/ferals. Tracy - Original Message - From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/10/2006 1:48:37 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but "owned" cats (I hate that term) are definitely considered personal property everywhere. They can be bought and sold, and on all official documents in CA towns that have not adopted guardianship language the term used is "owner." So for the cats who are/were family pets, they can most certainly be referred to, legally, as property, and stealing them is stealing personal property. The fact of them being on her land complicates it, but the fact that she had said it was ok should negate any claims of trespassing. I still think that theft, also called conversion when spoken of in civil versus criminal cases, is the best claim to make. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though.I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead,In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats,kelly
Re: OTS..need suggestions
OK, I can't believe I made such a ridiculous spelling error! No one, not know one. Geez! Tracy - From: Tracy Weese To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/10/2006 2:08:57 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions I would also note that most local ords. re: stray/feral cats seem to indicate that if a person takes on the responsibility for feeding cats, then they can be held responsible for the cats and for getting the vaccinationsso, while folks want to imply that feral/strays belong to know one, other animal control laws seem to suggest that the simple act of feeding these cats makes them YOUR property and responsibility. So I think certain laws/statutes might send conflicting messages depending on the "goal" of the law. There has been a turn towards more respect for pets/animals in general, but some areas still lag behind. I am not sure what the real topic here was, but just thought I'd throw in my two cents re: ownership of strays/ferals. Tracy - Original Message - From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/10/2006 1:48:37 PM Subject: Re: OTS..need suggestions I am an attorney and have studied a lot of animal law, and I really think that is not true about cats not being personal property. I believe that feral and stray cats are not considered anyone's personal property, but "owned" cats (I hate that term) are definitely considered personal property everywhere. They can be bought and sold, and on all official documents in CA towns that have not adopted guardianship language the term used is "owner." So for the cats who are/were family pets, they can most certainly be referred to, legally, as property, and stealing them is stealing personal property. The fact of them being on her land complicates it, but the fact that she had said it was ok should negate any claims of trespassing. I still think that theft, also called conversion when spoken of in civil versus criminal cases, is the best claim to make. Michelle In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:42:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 10:18 AM 9/10/2006, you wrote:Believe me I know there will be no official help. My cats are all enclosed..i just want this woman to stop. It was her deception and lying after the fact...The letter I composed is only to scare her a bit so she will not do it any more, I was surprised that our shelter does not require ID when turning in STRAY cats,They do if you claim it is your own cat though.I will see if we can work on this, In California they are not personal property as dogs are and there is no leash law so legally you can put food into a trap and entice all the friendly neighborhood cats,,,and by the time the owners realize puss did not eat that evening they are dead,In the UK they do not like to adopt out to people who refuse to allow theri cats out to get some fresh air and behave like cats, but they are much more animal friendly and are used to cats roaming around at night,,,being cats,kelly
Re: Spencer's treatment (Interferon and Acemannan) - and Elspar
I can verify that Elspar is used for cancer treatments (Chemo). My negative cat has lymphoma of the intestines and his chemo protocol includes Elspar on varying weeks. I am pleasantly surprised at the success of chemo for cats--right now may cat has done very well and gained some weight. I know he will eventually die--but the chemo has not been hard on him and he has continued to be healthy for several months now. We have at least stopped the weight loss which would have hastened his death. We have an ultrasound this week which will tell if the cancer has spread or reduced. I am praying that even if it has not reduced, it has not grown. Continued good luck to Spencer. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 9/11/2006 7:08:30 PM > Subject: Re: Spencer's treatment (Interferon and Acemannan) - and Elspar > > Nina, > That information is not accurate, this is not what I've heard from > people who use it, I think you should ask her to consult with an > oncologist, what is her experience with cancer, is she oncologist?? > Elspar is used in several treatment protocols, it is also used as a > rescue drug but there are actual cancer treatment protocols that use > Elspar as one of the chemo drugs. Please read this page carefully, > there are several protocols here that include Elspar used by many > oncologists that people in the feline lymphoma group use. This whole > website has a lot of valuable information and links to some very well > known, highly recommended oncologists. > > http://felinelymphomacaregivers.org/docs/ChemoProtocols.html > > > Its effects lasts for approx 3 days and is used to get patients into > > remission quickly, but does not "hold". She said even if I could > > afford it, it can't be given indefinitely because it's a "foreign > > protein" and Spencer would develop an allergic reaction to it with > > continued use. > > -- > > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties > http://bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candlelight Service > http://bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] > http://bmk.bemikitties.com >
RE: multiple FELV in one house?
I have (currently) 4 FeLV+ cats and 6 negatives. I think it would be a great thing to do for many reasons: 1) it gives Crackers some playmates; and 2) it would save some poor FeLV+ kitten/cat since most folks/resuces don't allow them to live. I have never noticed that having more than one + hastened any of their deathsbut you do know, some cats live very well for some time and others don't make it very long with FeLV. I would suggest looking around for rescue that have FeLV+ cats/kittens--usually they will try to get them a home, but if not, they are PTS even if healthy. And poss. your vet knows of some. Kittens are very iffy--it's getting them into adulthood that's tough, but I have two right now that I got as kittens who were positive and they are 5 or so and fat and happy! If you can get two, maybe a kitten and an adult cat. With a child, you will have to be sensitive to the fact that you will be dealing with animal death at poss. a higher rate (although all pets die, it's tough to tell a child about a baby kitten dying). Tracy - Original Message - From: To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 9/16/2006 11:00:09 AM Subject: multiple FELV in one house? Hi everyone! I know that many of you sweeties own more then 1 FELV pos cat. My question is this...Does having more then 1 FELV pos kitty risk infection to others.? Crackers right now is doing great! Would me bringing in 1-2 more FELV pos kittys be a risk to him? Since Crackers is FELV pos but showing no symptoms could bringing in another risk his immune. Financially I can take on a few more. And it finally sunk in my thick head. These poor kittys many wont adopt end up in a crate most of there lives. I could give them a better quality of life. NOW PLEASE DONT think im mean and hateful. I also DO NOT wanna do anything to hurt my Crackers. He is 5 and my baby. I also have a 4 yr old son. So to me its like I have to sons:) Also new kitties wouldn't bother Crackers. He loves companions and still even cries for Pokies who passed almost 3 weeks ago. I cherish your opinions. love kayte and crackers
RE: Behavior Problems
neutering would significantly address the issue. it's not just about mating, it's about mating/territorial behavior which, as i understand it, spraying is one such behaviors. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Stephanie E Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 9/19/2006 11:47:12 AM > Subject: Behavior Problems > > Our FELV+ has developed a very bad habit of spraying around the house. > Especially in shoes. He's also started urinating at our bedroom doors > when we shut them to go to bed. > > He's intact because I don't believe in Neutering. (He's kept away from > other cats, so please don't make that a huge issue.) > > I believe he might be happier in a home where he can socialize. Is there > anyone on here who can take him? You can neuter him once he's yours. > > My other cat is very old FIV+ with multiple problems and they don't get > along. He's feeling very left out, and I'm at the end of my rope with him. > > Any ideas to calm his nerves, or anyone who wants a beautiful 30lb white > cat? > > Steph
Re: Behavior Problems
no one will take this cat unless he is neutered. if you really want to rescue him, not neutering him will make him unlikely to find a home. i understand the heart murmur and FeLV+ issue, but is his health is otherwise good and the vet is comfortable, neutering is the only way to really rescue him. Tracy > [Original Message] > From: Stephanie E Caldwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 9/19/2006 3:04:47 PM > Subject: Re: Behavior Problems > > Chris, > > He's an adult. Feral/stray, moved in last spring. He has a grade 2 or 3 > heart murmur as well, and I'm hesitant to sedate him for surgery, if it > were an option. > > I'd love to find him a home where he'd have other kitties to play with, > since he doesn't get along with my geriatric FIV kitty. She's struggling > with several problems and it's getting increasingly difficult to keep > the peace in the house. > > Steph > > Chris wrote: > > > 30 lbs! Wow that is huge! How old is he? > > > > I don't know what your objections to neutering him--don't mean to pry--but I > > suspect that doing that would go a long way to solving the problem > > Chris > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephanie E > > Caldwell > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:47 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Behavior Problems > > > > Our FELV+ has developed a very bad habit of spraying around the house. > > Especially in shoes. He's also started urinating at our bedroom doors > > when we shut them to go to bed. > > > > He's intact because I don't believe in Neutering. (He's kept away from > > other cats, so please don't make that a huge issue.) > > > > I believe he might be happier in a home where he can socialize. Is there > > anyone on here who can take him? You can neuter him once he's yours. > > > > My other cat is very old FIV+ with multiple problems and they don't get > > along. He's feeling very left out, and I'm at the end of my rope with him. > > > > Any ideas to calm his nerves, or anyone who wants a beautiful 30lb white > > cat? > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 9/14/2006
RE: Pepper died
I'm sorry you lost Pepper Tracy - Original Message - From: Candace Doler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 11/26/2006 8:31:53 PM Subject: Pepper died I just wanted to let you know that Pepper died a few hours ago. He started getting better with this current episode but was not so good earlier today. I was not expecting him to go so suddenly. I was not at home at the time so not sure what happened. I want to thank everyone for their advice and support. This group is great for those of us who want to take responsibility for the health care of our pets and give them the best chance possible for a good outcome. Thank you all Candace
