Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY
All the Hill's Science Diet foods are absolute junk! Look at the ingredients - you can do better reading labels on better quality foods, and get better food for less. Instead of A-D, to mix with meds and use syringe, I cook chicken and then use my Magic Bullet to make a chicken mousse with the broth that chicken was cooked in (after removing the fat). Our cats actually used to prefer the dry Science Diet to the cans! Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY Yes, that ino does help. Thanks. I'll look for the Nutra-Cal. Is it sort of like Ensure? Or is it that brown gel like substance that comes in a tube? I used to give my one cat who had hepatitis that stuff. Don't know if it's the same. I'll check it out. It's funny but Chloe, FELV pos does not like the dry Sci Diet food that much. She prefers wet food. She's very finicky and i go thru lots of cans for her since she is so fussy. _ From: Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa) I used Nutra-Cal for my Felv kitty, Prancer that just passed away. He lived for over 9 years! I ordered it from my Vet or Entirely Pets.com http://pets.com/ . Also, I used Interferon for many years and this was only $25.00 for a bottle, the bottle lasted for about 2 months for his size (10 lbs). Prancer did not like wet food and I typically fed him Science Diet or Purina One. I know that is a bit pricey for some on a budget, but I swear by it for a Felv catJ I also used these for a Felv Kitten (3 weeks old) that somebody threw out on the street and I was lucky enough to be walking the dog when they dumped the kitten off. A friend of mine adopted the kitten and we are waiting to retest the kitten. The kitten is doing great! Cisco actually had hookworms and I found out from the vet that hookworms can kill a kitten!! Hope this information helps! Lisa Conner ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)
I used Nutra-Cal for my Felv kitty, Prancer that just passed away. He lived for over 9 years! I ordered it from my Vet or Entirely Pets.com. Also, I used Interferon for many years and this was only $25.00 for a bottle, the bottle lasted for about 2 months for his size (10 lbs). Prancer did not like wet food and I typically fed him Science Diet or Purina One. I know that is a bit pricey for some on a budget, but I swear by it for a Felv cat:) I also used these for a Felv Kitten (3 weeks old) that somebody threw out on the street and I was lucky enough to be walking the dog when they dumped the kitten off. A friend of mine adopted the kitten and we are waiting to retest the kitten. The kitten is doing great! Cisco actually had hookworms and I found out from the vet that hookworms can kill a kitten!! Hope this information helps! Lisa Conner ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY
Yes, that ino does help. Thanks. I'll look for the Nutra-Cal. Is it sort of like Ensure? Or is it that brown gel like substance that comes in a tube? I used to give my one cat who had hepatitis that stuff. Don't know if it's the same. I'll check it out. It's funny but Chloe, FELV pos does not like the dry Sci Diet food that much. She prefers wet food. She's very finicky and i go thru lots of cans for her since she is so fussy. From: Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa) I used Nutra-Cal for my Felv kitty, Prancer that just passed away. He lived for over 9 years! I ordered it from my Vet or Entirely Pets.com. Also, I used Interferon for many years and this was only $25.00 for a bottle, the bottle lasted for about 2 months for his size (10 lbs). Prancer did not like wet food and I typically fed him Science Diet or Purina One. I know that is a bit pricey for some on a budget, but I swear by it for a Felv catJ I also used these for a Felv Kitten (3 weeks old) that somebody threw out on the street and I was lucky enough to be walking the dog when they dumped the kitten off. A friend of mine adopted the kitten and we are waiting to retest the kitten. The kitten is doing great! Cisco actually had hookworms and I found out from the vet that hookworms can kill a kitten!! Hope this information helps! Lisa Conner ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa
Please do see a vet as soon as you can...it's possible that she could have lymphoma if her breathing is affected. Our Ewok had similar symptoms, difficulty breathing when resting and a phantom hairball...almost like an asthma attack. We found out that he does have a tumor in his chest and immediately started chemotherapy...he's doing well a little over a month after diagnosis! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:14 am Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive Yes, I am still giving her interferon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive I'd take her to the vet. Are you still giving her interferon? Gloria At 08:44 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: Hello my name is Lisa Ward, I am fairly new to this club, anyway I lost a cat due to amenia, caused by Felv, I also have another cat that has tested positive for Felv, the vet put her on Interferon, she seemed to be doingwell up until yesterday, it seems like she has a fur ball and can't get it out, it seems to be affecting her breathing..Her gums are not white. I hope that is the problem...Any ideas...Thank you.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:56 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kittens tested positive I am shocked they would even test at 3 weeks old to be honest. Especiallywith FIV kittens can test false positive for upto a year so need testing after 12 months and even if they are positive for FeLV or FIV it is no reason to euthanase. Not sure if teh same time scale applies to FeLV but I'm sure it will. I do know that the tests for FIV detect anibodies and not the virus - the kittens automatically get the antibodies from their mother but not necessarily the virus. So like I said tehy could test positive for a long time even though they may not have the virus. Time is usually around 6 months before they test negative but I've known cats to have false positives for 12months and even upto 2 years so if they tested positive on FIV there is every chance they may be negative. Hope someone else can help on the FeLV knowledge about time scales beforetesting can be accurate. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 55-Lisa Ward
Lisa: Please, take your cat in if you can. As I am sure you know, the anemia sets in it seems overnight. Our Stinky cat is back in hospital. Her red cell count is down to 13 and that happened from Saturday (Saturday her count was 27) until today. Monday and Tuesday she was eating and rolling in her cat nip and yesterday no food and no energy and today they want to put her down. I have requested a blood transfusion and am waiting to see if that is possible. I know though that the end is here and I cannot seem to get myself to let her go. Stinky was healthy for 14 years. Stinky was tested for four years. Stinky was a house cat 99% of the time and what little time she was out she was only out during the warm months and no more than an hour a week with no food or water outside. You just never know, the three cats that have lived with her for 14 years are fine. But, I'd take your cat in ASAP if you can. Best wishes and our prayers are with you. Stinky's Mom and Dad
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 55-Lisa Ward
I have not been following this thread until the last message about Stinky, but dexamethasone and depomedrol shots can sometimes reverse anemia (if it is from an auto-immune reaction or lymphoma) at least temporarily. Michelle
RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 55-Lisa Ward
Thank you very much.I have been giving Richmond interferon for about 1 month now...The vet said to give it to her 7 days on and 7 days offshe is now on her off days.I have also read that you should give this to your cat everyday...without any days offDo you know anything about this? Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:59 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 55-Lisa Ward Lisa: Please, take your cat in if you can. As I am sure you know, the anemia sets in it seems overnight. Our Stinky cat is back in hospital. Her red cell count is down to 13 and that happened from Saturday (Saturday her count was 27) until today. Monday and Tuesday she was eating and rolling in her cat nip and yesterday no food and no energy and today they want to put her down. I have requested a blood transfusion and am waiting to see if that is possible. I know though that the end is here and I cannot seem to get myself to let her go. Stinky was healthy for 14 years. Stinky was tested for four years. Stinky was a house cat 99% of the time and what little time she was out she was only out during the warm months and no more than an hour a week with no food or water outside. You just never know, the three cats that have lived with her for 14 years are fine. But, I'd take your cat in ASAP if you can. Best wishes and our prayers are with you. Stinky's Mom and Dad
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 56-Lisa Ward
Our vets have Stinky on Interferon everyday, once a day, 1 Ml doses. I don't know if that is best or not however.
Re: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa
He'd sit up and start the kinda (sorry for the gross description) sneezy-hocking thing...it would go on for several seconds and he'd finish with kind of a dry-heave...my biggest concern, however, was that his breathing was a little labored when he was at rest and, most noticably, he was sleeping/hanging out in places he usually doesn't hang out at, ie. hidey-holes (when cats don't feel well, they'll often seek out hiding spots). How is your kitty acting otherwise? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:56 pm Subject: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa Thank you, just a quick question was Ewok, sitting up and trying to throwup? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa Please do see a vet as soon as you can...it's possible that she could have lymphoma if her breathing is affected. Our Ewok had similar symptoms, difficulty breathing when resting and a phantom hairball...almost like an asthma attack. We found out that he does have a tumor in his chest and immediately started chemotherapy...he's doing well a little over a month after diagnosis! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:14 am Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive Yes, I am still giving her interferon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive I'd take her to the vet. Are you still giving her interferon? Gloria At 08:44 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: Hello my name is Lisa Ward, I am fairly new to this club, anyway I lost a cat due to amenia, caused by Felv, I also have another cat that has tested positive for Felv, the vet put her on Interferon, she seemed to be doingwell up until yesterday, it seems like she has a fur ball and can't get it out, it seems to be affecting her breathing..Her gums are not white. I hope that is the problem...Any ideas...Thank you.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:56 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kittens tested positive I am shocked they would even test at 3 weeks old to be honest. Especiallywith FIV kittens can test false positive for upto a year so need testing after 12 months and even if they are positive for FeLV or FIV it is no reason to euthanase. Not sure if teh same time scale applies to FeLV but I'm sure it will. I do know that the tests for FIV detect anibodies and not the virus - the kittens automatically get the antibodies from their mother but not necessarily the virus. So like I said tehy could test positive for a long time even though they may not have the virus. Time is usually around 6 months before they test negative but I've known cats to have false positives for 12months and even upto 2 years so if they tested positive on FIV there is every chance they may be negative. Hope someone else can help on the FeLV knowledge about time scales beforetesting can be accurate. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
RE: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa
Thanks youMy kitty is acting okay, except for coughing, everytime I pick her up and put her back down, she starts coughing like she is trying to cough up a hair ball, but nothing is coming up that I can see..How long do hair ball usually take to cough up? Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa He'd sit up and start the kinda (sorry for the gross description) sneezy-hocking thing...it would go on for several seconds and he'd finish with kind of a dry-heave...my biggest concern, however, was that his breathing was a little labored when he was at rest and, most noticably, he was sleeping/hanging out in places he usually doesn't hang out at, ie. hidey-holes (when cats don't feel well, they'll often seek out hiding spots). How is your kitty acting otherwise? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:56 pm Subject: RE: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa Thank you, just a quick question was Ewok, sitting up and trying to throwup? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: Kittens tested positive-Lisa Please do see a vet as soon as you can...it's possible that she could have lymphoma if her breathing is affected. Our Ewok had similar symptoms, difficulty breathing when resting and a phantom hairball...almost like an asthma attack. We found out that he does have a tumor in his chest and immediately started chemotherapy...he's doing well a little over a month after diagnosis! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:14 am Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive Yes, I am still giving her interferon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Kittens tested positive I'd take her to the vet. Are you still giving her interferon? Gloria At 08:44 AM 10/14/2005, you wrote: Hello my name is Lisa Ward, I am fairly new to this club, anyway I lost a cat due to amenia, caused by Felv, I also have another cat that has tested positive for Felv, the vet put her on Interferon, she seemed to be doingwell up until yesterday, it seems like she has a fur ball and can't get it out, it seems to be affecting her breathing..Her gums are not white. I hope that is the problem...Any ideas...Thank you.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:56 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kittens tested positive I am shocked they would even test at 3 weeks old to be honest. Especiallywith FIV kittens can test false positive for upto a year so need testing after 12 months and even if they are positive for FeLV or FIV it is no reason to euthanase. Not sure if teh same time scale applies to FeLV but I'm sure it will. I do know that the tests for FIV detect anibodies and not the virus - the kittens automatically get the antibodies from their mother but not necessarily the virus. So like I said tehy could test positive for a long time even though they may not have the virus. Time is usually around 6 months before they test negative but I've known cats to have false positives for 12months and even upto 2 years so if they tested positive on FIV there is every chance they may be negative. Hope someone else can help on the FeLV knowledge about time scales beforetesting can be accurate. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy, Angel Bramble
Re: Lisa......
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Re: RE: Lisa--Nutrical
This is a good way to administer Nutrical, if it hasn't been suggested already! It's a high-calorie gel that comes in a tube (can also be found at Petsmart, etc.)...just put some on your finger and scrape against the roof of kitty's mouth...I've also put some on paws so that they're forced to lick it off...but you can't put too much as cat's have a tendency to want to shake it off before they lick it off...I've got splatterings of Nutrical all over the kitchen! But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:13 am Subject: RE: Lisa Hi, Lisa, are you using syringe? I have one cat, Leo who just hated to be fed with syringe and everthing could come out from his mouth --- My vet also told me a different way of feeding with your finger - you take a pallatble food like baby food or cannned food, and put some on the tip of your pointing finger . you put the food side up (the oppositeside of where your nail is), and put it into his mouth -- rub against the top of his palate - How is he doing today? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Elizabeth PazSent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Hideyo Thank you for your kind words, I will keep trying. It just that he struggles so much that I worry about getting him all stressed out. He does put up one heck of a struggle. His head is so strong and it moves so quickly. But I will keep trying. He was so ill in 03 that we did not think he would make it but we worked so hard on getting him so healthy and chubby. butthis is so different with the food. I can easily give him his pills, but this food stuff, what can I say, this is just tearing my heart up. Thank You for support. Lisa BLOCKQUOTE style='PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #A0C6E5 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px'font style='FONT-SIZE:11px;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma,sans-serif'hr color=#A0C6E5 size=1 From: iquot;Hideyo Yamamotoquot; [EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/ibrReply-To: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.org/ibrTo: ifelvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt;/ibrSubject: iRE: Won't EatPlease Help/ibrDate: iTue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:06 -0600/ibrgt;Lisa, I can emphasize your pain - my Felv positive, Ginger stoppedbrgt;eating for over a week a several months ago.brgt;brgt;She is already a very small girl, and did not want her to lose any morebrgt;weight - so as Nina mentioned, I assisted her to eat with syringe everybrgt;day with baby food and liver shake -brgt;brgt;I will be praying that your kitty will bounce back very soon - so staybrgt;calm (I know it's hard, but do your best) and talkto him gently andbrgt;tell him how much he means to you and how he is going to get better verybrgt;very soon..brgt;brgt;Love and hugs to you and your kitty..brgt;brgt;Hideyobrgt;brgt;-Original Message-brgt;From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]brgt;[mailto:Felvtalk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ninabrgt;Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:55 PMbrgt;To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgbrgt;Subject: Re: Won't EatPlease Helpbrgt;brgt;Hi Lisa,brgt;I can hear the panic in your voice and how very much you love yourbrgt;Kitty. You are right, you need to get him to eat. It is wonderfulbrgt;that he has been so healthy and has a few extra pounds to help himbrgt;maintain right now. He is in dangerof HL if he goes without eatingbrgt;anything in a 24 to 48 hour period. That means if you get somethingbrgt;down him, he'll probably be okay.I know the sound of quot;syringebrgt;feedingquot; can be intimidating. Don't think of it as quot;forcequot; feeding,brgt;think of it as quot;assistedquot; feeding. Like you would a baby. There is abrgt;group for help with this, here's the link:brgt;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted- Feeding/brgt;brgt;Poor thing must be so panicky with his eyes giving him trouble likebrgt;that. Not to mention the vet trip from Hell. All he's going to wantbrgt;to do is hide. Please try to calm yourself. Put on some soft music andbrgt;brgt;keep the room he's in dark. If he wants to hide, go ahead and let him,brgt;(after you get his meds and some food in him of course). Speak softlybrgt;to him and tell him how the two of you will see this through together.brgt;Tell him you will do your very best to make
Re: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
I am so sorry to hear about Cloud! Has the vet given you a definitive diagnosis? Cats don't generally die of the Feleuk virus itself, but rather because of diseases that take advantage of the cat's weakened immune system...is Cloud anemic? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:21 am Subject: RE: CLS - Twiggy I am very sorry to hear about Twiggy, I also have a kitty (Cloud) dying of feline lekuminia, she has no energy, the vet says there is nothing that can be doneGood please her.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for awhile,but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people who watched over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am Subject: CLS - Twiggy Belinda, Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the Candlelight Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP early Saturday morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 hours clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her recovery, so she waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and somewhat sickly, she has good times but often had a fever which would come and go. Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they could not find anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood work showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood count, elevated liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested negative for both feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she never ate much, or gained much weight, she was named Twiggy. Twiggy came from a house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and some kitten deaths (probably also from FIP). Norrice, took Twiggy, to get her to a better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one filled with love and much caring.. Thank you, Joan
RE: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Hello, Yes, they said Cloud is anemic, he is very tired and weak..Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa I am so sorry to hear about Cloud! Has the vet given you a definitive diagnosis? Cats don't generally die of the Feleuk virus itself, but rather because of diseases that take advantage of the cat's weakened immune system...is Cloud anemic? But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Lisa Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:21 am Subject: RE: CLS - Twiggy I am very sorry to hear about Twiggy, I also have a kitty (Cloud) dying of feline lekuminia, she has no energy, the vet says there is nothing that can be doneGood please her.Lisa Ward -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy Joan, please tell your friend how very sorry I am to hear that Twiggy had to go...I'm sure she is a bright, shiney new fur-angel completely uninhibited, now...I know Twiggy is going to be pretty busy for awhile,but I'm sure she'll be watching over the wonderful people who watched over her for the short time that she was here...Big hugs to Norrice! Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:06 am Subject: CLS - Twiggy Belinda, Please add, my friend, Norrice's kitten Twiggy to the Candlelight Service.She was about 9 months old, and probably died from FIP early Saturday morning. She had started having seizures and was rushed to a 24 hours clinic. Norrice was told there was no hope for her recovery, so she waseuthanized.. When she was rescued she was always thin and somewhat sickly, she has good times but often had a fever which would come and go. Norrice,had her to the vet, numerous times and previously they could not find anything specifically wrong. This past week though, the blood work showedthat Twiggy was slightly anemic, had a high white blood count, elevated liver enzyme levels, and a high globulin count. She tested negative for both feline leukemia and aids. She was always listless and since she never ate much, or gained much weight, she was named Twiggy. Twiggy came from a house with many unaltered animals (now they are all altered) and some kitten deaths (probably also from FIP). Norrice, took Twiggy, to get her to a better environment. Twiggy's life, though indeed short, was one filled with love and much caring.. Thank you, Joan
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Is he getting supplemented with pet tinnic or has your vet suggested a transfusion, the liver shake is also good for this. I hope to God your vet did tests to see if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative, if not get a new vet ASAP and have tests done for hemobartenella, infact I would get Cloud on doxocylcline just to be safe it won't hurt him and couls well save his life if it is hemo. And most important if Cloud is not eating YOU MUST syringe feed, any sick cat that doesn't get enough food will not have the strength to fight off anything and WILL have firther complications from not getting enough nutrition which will eventually kill it no matter how much medication you are giving it. Nothing but food will cure Fatty Liver Disease, something inappetent cats get all too frequently while the vets hem and haw about other things going on and the owners have no idea how dangerous not eating can be for cats!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
What is a liver shake? Shall I puree raw liver and syringe feed it to her? What is hemobartenella? The vet mentioned nothing of the sort. Is doxocylcline the same as amoxicillian...? Lisa -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa Is he getting supplemented with pet tinnic or has your vet suggested a transfusion, the liver shake is also good for this. I hope to God your vet did tests to see if the anemia is regenerative or non-regenerative, if not get a new vet ASAP and have tests done for hemobartenella, infact I would get Cloud on doxocylcline just to be safe it won't hurt him and couls well save his life if it is hemo. And most important if Cloud is not eating YOU MUST syringe feed, any sick cat that doesn't get enough food will not have the strength to fight off anything and WILL have firther complications from not getting enough nutrition which will eventually kill it no matter how much medication you are giving it. Nothing but food will cure Fatty Liver Disease, something inappetent cats get all too frequently while the vets hem and haw about other things going on and the owners have no idea how dangerous not eating can be for cats!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Liver shake is a recipe for food that will tempt many cats who will not otherwise eat. Here is the recipe: 1 cup raw liver 1 cup V-8, tomato juice, or fresh carrot juice 1/4 cup water 1 raw egg yoke 1 teaspoon kelp or spirulina Blend in blender until liquid and frothy. Heat a little in a bowl until warm, and offer it to Cloud. If Cloud won't eat it, put a little on her mouth to lick off. This might get her going (it worked with Simon and he became a big fan of the shake). If she still won't eat it, syringe about 20 cc's of it into three times a day. It is complete nutrition. You can also get A/D, a prescription food that is palatable, high in calories, and easy to syringe feed, at the vet's. Dox is different than amoxicylliin-- it is broader spectrum. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:20:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is a liver shake? Shall I puree raw liver and syringe feed it to her?What is hemobartenella? The vet mentioned nothing of the sort. Isdoxocylcline the same as amoxicillian...? Lisa
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Hi Lisa, No Doxocycline is not the same as Amoxocylin, doxo is one of the preferred antibiotics used where hemo is diagnosed. The liver shake is a recipe which has liver as the main ingredient, I will find it and post it to the list, coming right up. It is good for cats who are anemic, but the best thing is to see an internal specialist as suggested and find out why Cloud is anemic. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
To give water to a cat, we usually give subutaneous fluids, which a vet needs to give you and show you how to give. The liver shake has a lot of liquid in it. If Cloud eat it or you syringe it, I would not worry about syringing water orally. When you next see a vet, though, you might want to ask about sub-q fluids. They are not hard to give. The thing with anemia is, though, that if you hydrate then too much they feel more anemic because it thins the blood. So right now I would focus on food and getting a real diagnosis and probably some steroids and antibiotics. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Michelle, I am going to go get the stuff to make this in about 1.5 hrs...Thank youMaybe Cloud will eat this...What about water, should I be feeding Cloud water also? Lisa
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa To give water to a cat, we usually give subutaneous fluids, which a vet needs to give you and show you how to give. The liver shake has a lot of liquid in it. If Cloud eat it or you syringe it, I would not worry about syringing water orally. When you next see a vet, though, you might want to ask about sub-q fluids. They are not hard to give. The thing with anemia is, though, that if you hydrate then too much they feel more anemic because it thins the blood. So right now I would focus on food and getting a real diagnosis and probably some steroids and antibiotics. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 2:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Michelle, I am going to go get the stuff to make this in about 1.5 hrs...Thank youMaybe Cloud will eat this...What about water, should I be feeding Cloud water also? Lisa
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is an algae. You can buy them both in powder or capsule (which can be opened) form at a health food store and at some supermarkets in the vitamin section. If you can't get these easily they are not essential to the recipe-- they provide extra vitamins and minerals, but right now the most important thing is to get food into him, any food you can. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 3:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa
RE: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Thank you, I will let you know tomorrow, what is happening..Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa Kelp is a seaweed and spirulina is an algae. You can buy them both in powder or capsule (which can be opened) form at a health food store and at some supermarkets in the vitamin section. If you can't get these easily they are not essential to the recipe-- they provide extra vitamins and minerals, but right now the most important thing is to get food into him, any food you can. Michelle In a message dated 8/29/05 3:08:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa
Re: CLS - Twiggy--Lisa
Lisa, while you are at the store. Pick up some babyfood. Meat and broth, no veggies, no garlic, no onion. Beechnut is better that Gerbers, because Gerbers has corn starch. Sometimes heating it just a bit brings out the aroma and gets kitties interested in eating. Sometimes just a tiny bit on a flat dish, sometimes putting it in front of their face again and again... You get the idea. Let us know how you and Cloud are doing. Nina Lisa Ward wrote: Thank you again Michelle, I will try everything you suggested...Just a quick question on the liver shake you said kelp or spirulina, never heard of that is it some kind of syrup, can I buy this a the food store? Lisa
Re: Recent losses - Lisa
And Lisa too. I'm sure Kerry meant to include you in this. It's been such a horrendous week for all of us sharing in your grief. Nina MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Message My heart goes out to all of you--Jamie, Marlene and Michelle. I just wanted toadd thatI think it is a tremendous amount to ask, to expect a grieving pet owner to go to the vet clinic and pick up the ashes ofa beloved pet, when every other time you went through that door it was with hope, and with a pet that was still living and breathing. The associations are too strong, emotions too charged. The first time I had to have a pet euthanized was at the emergency clinic last Thanksgiving, and befuddled though I was, I knew there was no way I could bring myself to go and pick up ashes from my vet clinic. I would have been a mess in the clinic. I asked to have them delivered to my workplace instead. The vet tech was surprised and questioned my request, but to me it was a no-brainer. The ashesarrived in a plain brown boxwhile I was busy doing other stuff, and it allowed me to delay my grief until I got home. I don't know why vets don't do this as a matter of routine? Is there someone that could go in your place, perhaps, Jamie? I totally understand your dread. Thinking of you all, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jamie Laws Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:22 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Recent losses I am trying to step out of my own grief and offer condolences to others who have had losses. Michelle and Marlene,I think we have just had a rough week. Michelle lost both Fern and Pepsi on Sunday, I lost Andy on Monday, and Marlene lost Digby on Tuesday.I just got the call today from the vet that Andy's ashes are back and I can pick him up when I am ready. But I just couldn't do it today. I may go in the morning. I don't know why I am dreading that part so much. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you both how very sorry I am for your incredible losses. I can empathize withyou and my heart aches with yours. Jamie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Recent losses - Lisa
Title: Message Yes, it goes without saying that my heart goes out to everyone who's had losses, including Lisa and Michael who suffered their losses so very, veryrecently too. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 11:41 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Recent losses - LisaAnd Lisa too. I'm sure Kerry meant to include you in this. It's been such a horrendous week for all of us sharing in your grief.NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: My heart goes out to all of you--Jamie, Marlene and Michelle. I just wanted toadd thatI think it is a tremendous amount to ask, to expect a grieving pet owner to go to the vet clinic and pick up the ashes ofa beloved pet, when every other time you went through that door it was with hope, and with a pet that was still living and breathing. The associations are too strong, emotions too charged. The first time I had to have a pet euthanized was at the emergency clinic last Thanksgiving, and befuddled though I was, I knew there was no way I could bring myself to go and pick up ashes from my vet clinic. I would have been a mess in the clinic. I asked to have them delivered to my workplace instead. The vet tech was surprised and questioned my request, but to me it was a no-brainer. The ashesarrived in a plain brown boxwhile I was busy doing other stuff, and it allowed me to delay my grief until I got home. I don't know why vets don't do this as a matter of routine? Is there someone that could go in your place, perhaps, Jamie? I totally understand your dread. Thinking of you all, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jamie LawsSent: Friday, May 27, 2005 9:22 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Recent losses I am trying to step out of my own grief and offer condolences to others who have had losses. Michelle and Marlene,I think we have just had a rough week. Michelle lost both Fern and Pepsi on Sunday, I lost Andy on Monday, and Marlene lost Digby on Tuesday.I just got the call today from the vet that Andy's ashes are back and I can pick him up when I am ready. But I just couldn't do it today. I may go in the morning. I don't know why I am dreading that part so much. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you both how very sorry I am for your incredible losses. I can empathize withyou and my heart aches with yours. Jamie __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Akira needs prayers......sorry so long Lisa
Oh Lisa, I'm so sorry about Akira! I remember when you joined the group because of her and wanting information about this horrible disease. I commend you for what you have done to make it an awareness situation where you live to let others know. Just remember you have done so much for her and she knows it. She gave you the love and you did the same. Once again I'm so sorry... :( I pray and hope she gets well, if not she will let you know. I know how hard it is for you if something was to happen to her. It may not seem like it but that makes the fight harder when we do lose our beloved furbabies. I know from my experience I have done so much making people aware of this horrible disease in my community. I haven't stopped either. I know a few have been saved by euthanization. I can tell you if it hadn't been for "Taz" I wouldn't be where I'm at today in pursuing rescues from all over the statesand helpingmy community. We are never ready to lose them even though we know the time will come. That's what makes them special from other kitties. You will be hurt, bitter, andangry but turn it into positive energy don't let the negative takeover. You both are in my thoughts and prayers. I will light a candle for her in hopes that she will recover. If you need someone to talk to please feel free to contact me. I'm here for you along with the others in this group to help ease your hurt. Bless you In a message dated 5/6/2005 6:28:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, well it seems like for every great thing an equally horrible one occursThe book that my stories are in came out this week...many about Akira and how she over came her sicknesses when I found her...My 23rd birthday was yesterday (cinco de Mayo), and Monday Akira decided to quit eating, Ive been force feeding her, and offering her anything I could think of...she would sniff..but not even was remotely interested other than thatSo today to the vet we went...Im home now..she is still there...45 mins away, on an IV catheter for fluids, being force fed, waiting on blood work to come backshe has the VERY first signs of "fatty liver", (her urine is VERY concentrate)..but she isnt jaundiced yet (thankfully)...and her blood is very thick...which is good..she presumably by teh looks of it..isnt anemic...which means this possibly is NOT as a result of the Leukemia...but then again...as with every other damned symptom..it still could beIve never left her alone before..I am so worriedand feel so betrayed."HAPPY BIRTHDAY..your cat is trying to die" ..So please say prayers, send Reikianything her way she needs all the help she can get...she is dehydrated, initiall fatty liver..and she has lost 2 lbs in about 4 days..(.she only weighed 8 to begin with) She is my angel that introduced me to rescue, cats, and unconditional loveI cant lose her.Im not ready. Lisa and the furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and Anza Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
