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Renee, You are so very welcome. How nice to be someone's angel! I'm glad some of my suggestions made sense to you and that my moral support helped you feel less alone. This group is full of angels, as you've now found out. As I said before, I'm betting that Emma, (and probably her best friend too), will make the transition to house cat pretty quickly. You guys already have a connection. I understand the reluctance to "force" the issue, but most cats are not good with change of any kind and Emma might be inclined to keep the status quo without some stronger persuasion, (she has no idea how wonderfully her life will change!). Her short life has been all about simple survival, getting through the day alive, that's all she'll be thinking about. Ya gotta be a little pushy so she can see for herself all the benefits of being with you. You won't be sorry, once she understands that you are her 'angel', you'll have a devoted friend for life. If you've never trapped before, I can understand your feelings of discomfort with the prospect. Look at it this way, yes they're frightened, yes it is unpleasant for them, but it's a necessary trade off for making their lives sooo much better. It's like dealing with visits to the dentist. Pleasant? No. But so much better to endure the momentary discomfort and keep your teeth! The truly feral cats that you trap will be so much better off getting neutered/shots. The colony will not only stop multiplying, but as long as they have food and water provided, they will stop fighting and live much more harmonious lives, (having food provided and being neutered eliminates the reasons for fighting, hence cutting down on the transmission of disease!). Continuing to feed a feral colony, while well intended, is only half the solution. I have had the misfortune of seeing the suffering and miserable deaths of sweet innocent kittens (most kittens born in the wild do not make it to their 1st birthday). You have the power to stop some of this suffering! We humans put these poor cats in the position of surviving on their own, only we humans have the power to stop the cycle. Get with one of the rescue organizations in your area, (Jenn sent you a wonderful list of links that will surely turn up some help for you). Let them know that you are willing to do the work, but you don't have the funds necessary for such a large undertaking. Hopefully you'll not only get financial assistance, but find a new friendship in someone who will help you with the physical tasks as well. Patti is right, you don't have to handle the ferals at all. You trap them, take them to the vet still in the trap and bring them home while they are still asleep in a carrier. Transfer them to a larger pen where they can recuperate from their surgery in safety and then release them a couple days later. If you trap someone that's friendly, hopefully the rescue you've found will be able to foster them and find them a home. You can do it girl. Sorry this is so long. Can you tell how near and dear to me every feral in the world is?! Please let us know how you are doing. Whatever the depth of your undertaking to help these guys is so very appreciated, esp by any of the cats you help! Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I
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Title: Message Renee, I brought Big Boy, aka Romeo, in during a bitter cold snap here in NY last year. I had been feeding him outside for 2 years and when I pulled up to the feeding area, I could hear him meow all the way across a parking lot--it was his way of telling me he was here, don't go! He would rub up against my legs but would jump away if he saw my hands coming towards him. I finally trapped him and brought him him. As we speak, he is lying on my bed sound asleep and has turned out to be the most affectionate of the brood, hence the name change to ROmeo. He still won't let me pick him up but absolutely craves attention. He was an adult cat when I got him. He turned out to be FELV+ (never sick) and I mix with my others (one of them is also FELV+). If you bring her in, I know there are a lot of folks here who can help you get her acclimated--trick is that once they understand the good life, they figure out its OK! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Renee M. Simon wrote: Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40. Thanks so much for being my angel today. I went from tears to really feeling like it is not hopeless. I appreciate the kindness you have shown me. Have a wonderful night! Renee
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Thanks for the info. I learned something new and i love that! They only get rice or pasta twice a week and it is equal parts with wet food and dry cat food. I will definately begin adding chicken and beef fats. That is easy to do. Thanks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Lately I have been adding in rice and pasta to help beef up their body weight. Actually, by doing that, you are doing exactly the opposite of what you intend to do. Cats are carnivores, and do not get hardly any benefit from carbohydrates, they are built to run on animal derived FAT and PROTEIN. You would be better off adding MORE fat to their food than pasta and rice. Any meat trimmings you might get when you prepare your own food, like the skin off chicken, or the fat trimmed offsteaks would be of benefit to the cats. A little bacon grease stirred into the food would boost the fat content and help too, but don't add too much or they may end up with diarrhea. Make sure that if you give them any kind of pork fat or meat, that it is WELL cooked, because pigs carry tritrichimonsis, and it is highly contagious to cats (and humans). You don't need to cook beef or chicken before feeding that. In addition, feeding pasta and rice to cats will cause taurine deficiency, which leads to blindness in cats. A little is OK, but it's not something you want to regularly use to dilute the cat food to make it go further. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
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Nina, thank you again for your words of encouragement and support. I woke up today feeling like a new woman...which isn't so easy anymore at 41! I decided that I must change my perspective for the time being. It is very easy for me to become overwhelmed at the enormity of the situation and the lack of support both physical help and financial. So, I decided to take a deep breath and realize that I do not have to fix everything today. I will step up my efforts and be diligent in learning as much as I can, while investigating all avenues. If I let myself get overwhelmed, then I am afraid I might fizzle out. So, I wll just put one foot in front of the other, start thinking creatively and get going.As only 1 person, I certainly cannot afford to fix it all myself, so I will do what and can do.I think that is a good start. I very much appreciate you being there with me in this. They are all such precious souls and I will do whatever I can to improve their health and existance. I promised them that I would do my best. I am going to print out some relevant info and see about approaching some people in town. But I hesitate to draw too much attention to them, because I fear for their safety. People here are always looking for scapegoats and excuses for acting violently. I do not want these babies to pay the price because I was naive. So I will read, learn and do my best for them. Thanks again so very much!! Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee,You are so very welcome. How nice to be someone's angel! I'm glad some of my suggestions made sense to you and that my moral support helped you feel less alone. This group is full of angels, as you've now found out. As I said before, I'm betting that Emma, (and probably her best friend too), will make the transition to house cat pretty quickly. You guys already have a connection. I understand the reluctance to "force" the issue, but most cats are not good with change of any kind and Emma might be inclined to keep the status quo without some stronger persuasion, (she has no idea how wonderfully her life will change!). Her short life has been all about simple survival, getting through the day alive, that's all she'll be thinking about. Ya gotta be a little pushy so she can see for herself all the benefits of being with you. You won't be sorry, once she understands that you are her 'angel', you'll have a devoted friend for life. If you've never trapped before, I can understand your feelings of discomfort with the prospect. Look at it this way, yes they're frightened, yes it is unpleasant for them, but it's a necessary trade off for making their lives sooo much better. It's like dealing with visits to the dentist. Pleasant? No. But so much better to endure the momentary discomfort and keep your teeth! The truly feral cats that you trap will be so much better off getting neutered/shots. The colony will not only stop multiplying, but as long as they have food and water provided, they will stop fighting and live much more harmonious lives, (having food provided and being neutered eliminates the reasons for fighting, hence cutting down on the transmission of disease!). Continuing to feed a feral colony, while well intended, is only half the solution. I have had the misfortune of seeing the suffering and miserable deaths of sweet innocent kittens (most kittens born in the wild do not make it to their 1st birthday). You have the power to stop some of this suffering! We humans put these poor cats in the position of surviving on their own, only we humans have the power to stop the cycle. Get with one of the rescue organizations in your area, (Jenn sent you a wonderful list of links that will surely turn up some help for you). Let them know that you are willing to do the work, but you don't have the funds necessary for such a large undertaking. Hopefully you'll not only get financial assistance, but find a new friendship in someone who will help you with the physical tasks as well. Patti is right, you don't have to handle the ferals at all. You trap them, take them to the vet still in the trap and bring them home while they are still asleep in a carrier. Transfer them to a larger pen where they can recuperate from their surgery in safety and then release them a couple days later. If you trap someone that's friendly, hopefully the rescue you've found will be able to foster them and find them a home. You can do it girl. Sorry this is so long. Can you tell how near and dear to me every feral in the world is?! Please let us know how you are doing. Whatever the depth of your undertaking to help these guys is so very appreciated, esp by any of the cats you help!NinaRenee M. S
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Renee, Yep, one day at a time, one task at a time. I'm always beating myself up for not doing more, but doing ANYTHING is what's important. I know exactly what you mean about getting easily overwhelmed. We both have to work on narrowing our focus and just helping as much as we can. A plan is always good :). The world is such a mess, we can only deal with what is right in front of us. The trick is to keep moving, keep doing something positive. I try to keep the Serenity Prayer in mind. Easier said than done! I would be very careful about who you approach, for the very reasons you've stated. Some people have nothing better to do than to make life miserable for those that can't defend themselves. Sad, but true. I would go down that list of rescues, make up a form email to send and look for help from them. Don't give up easily, make yourself a pleasant, but squeaky wheel. Sometimes I think they wait to see just how persistent you're going to be! So many people say they want to help, after the rescue gets involved the contact drops the ball and the rescue is left dealing with everything on their own. When they know you are serious about helping and not just someone looking to pass the buck, they become much more receptive. One of the rescues that I've worked with pays the full price for spays/neuters, sometimes they pay for the shots as well. They haven't been able to help me with adoptions, (hence my overflowing household!), but I'm happy to take whatever assistance they can give. They'll have traps to lend you, valuable advice and sometimes can give you food and supplies too. Don't be discouraged if some of the rescues don't share our love of ferals. I'll never understand how people can say they love cats, but are selective in that love. Sigh. Do stick your head in any feed stores, or pet stores and let them know you could use donations of food that's about to expire, (you don't have to tell them the location of the colony). You'll be surprised at what you can get, but you have to ask! You better believe I'm with you. I'm right there at your side, I wish it could be more than in spirit, but you've got lots of unseen help behind you. I truly believe that. You just wait and see, things will start falling into place and you're going to make a tremendous difference in those cats lives! Oh, wait a second, I dropped one of my pom poms! Seriously, you are earning Heaven points big time. Keep it up! Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Nina, thank you again for your words of encouragement and support. I woke up today feeling like a new woman...which isn't so easy anymore at 41! I decided that I must change my perspective for the time being. It is very easy for me to become overwhelmed at the enormity of the situation and the lack of support both physical help and financial. So, I decided to take a deep breath and realize that I do not have to fix everything today. I will step up my efforts and be diligent in learning as much as I can, while investigating all avenues. If I let myself get overwhelmed, then I am afraid I might fizzle out. So, I wll just put one foot in front of the other, start thinking creatively and get going.As only 1 person, I certainly cannot afford to fix it all myself, so I will do what and can do.I think that is a good start. I very much appreciate you being there with me in this. They are all such precious souls and I will do whatever I can to improve their health and existance. I promised them that I would do my best. I am going to print out some relevant info and see about approaching some people in town. But I hesitate to draw too much attention to them, because I fear for their safety. People here are always looking for scapegoats and excuses for acting violently. I do not want these babies to pay the price because I was naive. So I will read, learn and do my best for them. Thanks again so very much!! Renee
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Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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I live in NJ (Northern), but since I do not know where Cumberland County is I assume it is far from me. Have you contacted Alley Cat Allies in DC? They focus exclusively on caring for ferals, and they keep a database network of people all over the country and can probably connect you to people near you. Michelle In a message dated 12/2/2005 4:11:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Thank you so much for your reply. i will contact them next! Cumberland County is at the southernmost part of the state. Look for the Delaware Bay on a map, and you will see me! Thanks again, Renee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group I live in NJ (Northern), but since I do not know where Cumberland County is I assume it is far from me. Have you contacted Alley Cat Allies in DC? They focus exclusively on caring for ferals, and they keep a database network of people all over the country and can probably connect you to people near you. Michelle In a message dated 12/2/2005 4:11:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Hi Renee, I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,"If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in." Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee,I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Title: Message I wish I lived near you Renee.We all on this list totally relate and sympathise.Thank you for caring. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently. Stay in touch---you'll always find a kind shoulder to cry on in this group when the going gets tough. hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. SimonSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,"If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in." Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee,I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:07 PM Subject: RE: NJ feral group I wish I lived near you Renee.We all on this list totally relate and sympathise.Thank you for caring. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently. Stay in touch---you'll always find a kind shoulder to cry on in this group when the going gets tough. hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. SimonSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:51 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,"If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in." Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee,I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon=00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the
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Renee, I've sent you a couple of emails off-list. Are you getting them? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Message Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee
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Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40. Thanks so much for being my angel today. I went from tears to really feeling like it is not hopeless. I appreciate the kindness you have shown me. Have a wonderful night! Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee,I've sent you a couple of emails off-list. Are you getting them?NinaRenee M. Simon wrote: Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee
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From: Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:03 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: NJ feral group Renee, can you research on line to find any rescue group in NJ (even if you are not close to them physically)? if you can hock up with a rescue group with 501C status (non profit), you can contact Purina and perhaps get a truck load of free food for your kitties. You dont really need to work with the rescue group, just explain the rescue group your situation and borrow their status (tax ID) to contact Purina so that you can be set up as a satellite - You can call Janet 641-472-4193 in Iowa she rescue and feed feral cats in Iowa and she gets truck load of cat food from Purina periodically. (tell her that Lila Williams gave your the number) Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. Simon Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in. Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee, I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Renee, can you research on line to find any rescue group in NJ (even if you are not close to them physically)? if you can hock up with a rescue group with 501C status (non profit), you can contact Purina and perhaps get a truck load of free food for your kitties. You dont really need to work with the rescue group, just explain the rescue group your situation and borrow their status (tax ID) to contact Purina so that you can be set up as a satellite - You can call Janet 641-472-4193 in Iowa she rescue and feed feral cats in Iowa and she gets truck load of cat food from Purina periodically. (tell her that Lila Williams gave your the number) Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. Simon Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: NJ feral group Dear Nina, Thank you so much for your kind email. I am just so sad and have been crying like a fool for 2 days now. It just breaks my heart about these babies and I have tried so many things to no avail. I have even asked for help from people on Petfinder. No one is interested. I have 2 girls who come everyday at 11am. Sometimes they bring friends. I am just so very sad. It is a small poor beach community, so everyone is gone for the winter. I wish I could bring these girls inside and adopt them, but they seem to feral to me. I don't have high hopes. There are probably 40 more who need help. Everyone has great suggestions but they all take money! I am only one person.I have even simply asked for scrap wood, scrap strofoam, straw, old dishes or bowls, never money and still no one will help. I even had one person suggest that people wouldn't help because I am not affiliated with a rescue group! Well, that is a catch 22, there is no rescue group down here. That is the point of my posts, to find help. My reply is simply,If you can donate or help the cats with needed supplies, just put it out in the marshland. You don't need me to do it. Just drive down and pitch in. Sorry to vent, but I am so very frustrated at people's apathy these days. I just wish someone would care. Thank you for caring and for listening. Most Sincerely, Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Hi Renee, I've lived outside of Princeton, on Long Beach Island and in Rockaway NJ, (near Morristown), but I live in CA now. Your post nearly brought me to tears. Knowing there are caring souls that can't turn their back on the sweet innocents gives me hope that the human race is moving in the right direction! I too care for ferals in my neighborhood without any support from neighbors, and very little help from rescue groups. If you find a network who is able to help you will you please pass on the info? Anytime you want to talk to someone about ferals, please feel free to email me directly. I do remember seeing a feral group on the internet, have you checked that out yet? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Hello, I am trying to find some help for a feral colony in Cumberland County NJ, some of whom have tested positive. I do not have any idea how many are ill, but I am not seeing any symptomatic cats. Can you refer me to anyone who might be willing to help in NJ? I am simply a homeowner/pet lover who lives here and I can no longer pretend that I do not see their suffering. I would like to have someone knowledgable about ferals to teach me how to bring attention to their cause and find them some help. I have contacted everyone I can think of and have read all that I can find on the subject. However, how does one person find funding and supplies to begin to help these cats? Thank you for your time. Most Sincerely, Renee Simon
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Hi, Renee, if you ever decide to adopt Emma in let me know I can show you how to tame Emma about 90% of the cats I have are feral, or at least used to be feral cats and I have adopted all in my house over the course of years its amazing how feral cat can adopted into our lives and adjust well. They all love being inside and dont show any interests of going outside (and I have a few dozens of them) and if you are going to have her spay in near future, you can have her test at the same time, so that you can decide whether you can take her in or not (though through my experience, its hard for me to release back positives because of their conditions. But I feel like she has a good chance that she is negative for some reason. Please dont get discouraged I know how you feel, besides the ones I have in my house, I also go around feed about 50 feral in different colonies and I get overwhelmed and depressed very often, wishing that I could do more for them but I am just taking one day at a time, and do the best I can for them.. and you are doing the same. Love, Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. Simon Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: NJ feral group Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40. Thanks so much for being my angel today. I went from tears to really feeling like it is not hopeless. I appreciate the kindness you have shown me. Have a wonderful night! Renee - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee, I've sent you a couple of emails off-list. Are you getting them? Nina Renee M. Simon wrote: Thank you so much for your kindness. The going was tough the last 2 days and my tears have been many. We are a small beach community and today the winds have been 60mph with lots of flooding. I haven't seen any of the cats today and I wish they were warm and dry. It makes me sad to think that I cannot find help for them anywhere. Your kindness has helped a great deal. All my Best, Renee
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Thank you so much! I would love to take in Emma. I took in a feral last summer and he was a piece of cake. He was cllose to death, so he took well to being in the house. Emma trusts me but is SO afraid. She would never come near me. But she sees me in the window, and she eats,grooms and suns herself. She has adopted me. I think my heart is bleeding because I care for this one so much and she seems so untouchable. I have 4 cats and 2 dogs. Would she endanger my cats if she was positive? She looks so healthy, but who knows. I have read that testing twice is good to do and that ELISA can give false positives. Any thoughts? How can I get Emma used to me? I have done all that I know: No direct eye contact, blink, head turned, kneel or crouch,lay down,speak slowly and softly. move slowly. I had a great suggestion to open my crawl space. I will do that tomorrow and see if she will live in there where I can get her to trust me. I do not want to trap her, terrify her,spay her and force her indoors without her trusting me. That is not my way. I believe in respecting what they are showing you. Sorry so long. I would love any ideas for helping me get Emma indoors eventually. As well as any ideas about how to help the many others who need a voice. Thanks again. Renee - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: RE: NJ feral group Hi, Renee, if you ever decide to adopt Emma in let me know I can show you how to tame Emma about 90% of the cats I have are feral, or at least used to be feral cats and I have adopted all in my house over the course of years its amazing how feral cat can adopted into our lives and adjust well. They all love being inside and dont show any interests of going outside (and I have a few dozens of them) and if you are going to have her spay in near future, you can have her test at the same time, so that you can decide whether you can take her in or not (though through my experience, its hard for me to release back positives because of their conditions. But I feel like she has a good chance that she is negative for some reason. Please dont get discouraged I know how you feel, besides the ones I have in my house, I also go around feed about 50 feral in different colonies and I get overwhelmed and depressed very often, wishing that I could do more for them but I am just taking one day at a time, and do the best I can for them.. and you are doing the same. Love, Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Renee M. SimonSent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:27 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: NJ feral group Oh Nina, Thank you, thank you, thank you! YOU HAVE BEEN MY ANGEL TODAY. i was feeling so frustrated and your words really soothed my soul. I completely believe that the angels send certain kitties my way. Last summer a feral close to death arrived on my doorstep. After vetting and testing, wetook him in. He is sleeping next to me now. I found him collapsed on the grave of my beloved Miss Kitty. I really loved your ideas about shelter. I think I will open my crawl space tomorrow. I can't believe I didn't think of that! And this is farm land, so free pallets are always around! Maybe my hubby could get some heavy totes from work and we can use them. See, all I had to do was ask and wonderful help arrived. I cannot thank you enough! you have just eased my mind tremendously. At least I have a good start and something constructive to do tommorrow for Emma and Abby, as well as the others who live in the marsh. Three days ago, someone who was feeding one all summer decided to take him to the vet in hopes of adopting him. He tested positive, but was asymptomatic. I do not know if they kept him or pts. My boy Jasper was tested twice and was negative, so we were lucky. I currently have 4 cats and 2 dogs. I have over 3000sq ft so they all have their own places. My hope was to bring Emma into the house, but she seems to feral to me and I am not sure she would make the transition.She is about 2 yrs old I think. I don't know if she is positive or not and I don't have a room to keep her isolated safely. I am waiting for divine inspiration on that one! I am also going to write to my local newspapers and see if they can help,maybe an article? I will also post an ad to see if anyone can donate supplies. It is a start. I have lived here for 7 yrs. I am not sure why I felt compelled to do something now and not earlier. All I can do is my best. Emma really stole my heart. I really feel a connection to her. I pray for her every night and during the day I try to learn how to help and what else I need to learn. Low cost
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In a message dated 12/2/05 7:28:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Low cost spay here is running about $75 a cat, which is hard for me to manage for more than a few. And certainly not for 30- 40 I'm in south central Pa., right on Mason Dixon Line. There are a few options here that will do low cost spay/neuter/ vx., and I can only speak from what has been done previously, BUT Since all this is out-of-pocket, I know that one org. will also test, and fees are reduced in these type of situations. Typically, it runs approx. $40/spay, worming+ $5/vx. Testing is $10-15. Another vet is $55/spay - includes vxs. worming. I think he also charges $15/test. Neutering w/ worming $30. Also, they will "tip" ears to make it easier to identify cats already done Anyway, there are groups that come from Delaware shore every month, they work solely with ferals. Come down in a van. Drop cats off, and return several hour later, pick up cats drive back. It's a very long day, especially since cats need to be trapped evening before, but it all works out. Would something like this be possible? Patti
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In a message dated 12/2/05 6:07:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently Kerry/Renee~ The above group hasn't had any activity for quite some time. In fact, my last post was bounced back - moderator (John)never read it. Hope everything's ok with him, very nice man. Anyway, there is also - [EMAIL PROTECTED]However, seems like everyone in New Jersey is trying to help ferals... Patti
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Renee, www.aceofspays.comLow cost -southern N.J. Is this close to you? Patti
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Thanks Patti. Yes it seems like there is feral help in NJ but only up north.We are very rural here.We are the poorest county in the state and no one even thinks twice about these cats. That Delaware group sounds wonderful but who pays for all of this? It takes money and right now basics like food aren't even being met. It is a daunting task. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group In a message dated 12/2/05 6:07:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could try contacting the group above and see if it's still activeI used to post quite a lot on it but haven't done so recently Kerry/Renee~ The above group hasn't had any activity for quite some time. In fact, my last post was bounced back - moderator (John)never read it. Hope everything's ok with him, very nice man. Anyway, there is also - [EMAIL PROTECTED]However, seems like everyone in New Jersey is trying to help ferals... Patti
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Renee, Oh. I can imagine! Here I am, feeling a bit overwhelmed 'cause of the feral/strays here (I recently moved), but it's nowhere near the numbers you are dealing with! I was just "discussing" my group on another listwith food,vetting, etc., it is a financial strain on me, and my numbers are less. So far, I have not encountered any Felv/FIV positives, but have battled with distemper (2 survivors) and a HBC And I have a spay (nice straycan't believe she ended up on street! Oh yeah, that's right, people here DO DUMP their "pets" like trash), and a neuter,BIG, BIG TOM, that better get his butt in the trap Monday night!) Going in for the "works" Tuesday, fingers crossed that both are negative. (Thank god money grows on trees here in Pa. NOT!) The Delaware group is actually two women that have been tending these feral colonies for years! They also do all out-of-pocket, low cost program here even cuts cost down for them. I know some clinic nights they seem to arrive on barely more than a wing and a prayer. We are also getting hammered with very cold and windy weather. But, it is that time. I am also going to be working this weekend "fixing up" my shelters. Just wish I could do more... I can feel for you concerning Emma. This summer a feral mom and her kittens were dumped under a neighbors' bush in a boxMom escaped, I reared the 2 boys. I did trap mom, named her Charity, had her spayed, tested and then kept her in the barn hoping to be able to socialize her. (I ended up in hospital from bites when I trapped her. My fault, not her's. I'd bite a human after being stuffed in a box and thrown out!) We made some progress, she let me stroke her with her "plume". But she was miserable being confined. And one day, she got out and took off. I was going to re-trap her, but clearly, she was very unhappy confined.She was gone for many weeks, and she has come back. So, at least I know she has a warm, dry place food. But, I still worry. Especially seeing fatalities around herebusy roads. Hopefully you will have good luck with Emma. And, turn to Hideyo - she is the list's expert on ferals, and much more. She is a wonderful, wise and compassionate woman. She will help you out any way she can. She gave you a good tip with the Purina info. Worth a try, huh? Wishing you all the best, Patti
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Hi Patti, yes it's definately worth a try with the Purina. Yeah, we have a violent tom cat here and most of us would like to see him pts. He is a wiley beast though. I have never met a mean one besides him. Most are too scared and hungry to be mean. Oh yeah!! Dumping pets? That's how all of this came to be form what I hear. People leave after the summer and they leave these cats behind. Or better yet, when they have kittens in nearby towns, they dump them here because who would notice right? Well, it stinks,IMO. I am so happy to have found this group. I have learned more here in one day than I have for 8 months on Petfinder. So much attitude, judgment and criticism there. It can be counterproductive. Thanks again! Renee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Renee, Oh. I can imagine! Here I am, feeling a bit overwhelmed 'cause of the feral/strays here (I recently moved), but it's nowhere near the numbers you are dealing with! I was just "discussing" my group on another listwith food,vetting, etc., it is a financial strain on me, and my numbers are less. So far, I have not encountered any Felv/FIV positives, but have battled with distemper (2 survivors) and a HBC And I have a spay (nice straycan't believe she ended up on street! Oh yeah, that's right, people here DO DUMP their "pets" like trash), and a neuter,BIG, BIG TOM, that better get his butt in the trap Monday night!) Going in for the "works" Tuesday, fingers crossed that both are negative. (Thank god money grows on trees here in Pa. NOT!) The Delaware group is actually two women that have been tending these feral colonies for years! They also do all out-of-pocket, low cost program here even cuts cost down for them. I know some clinic nights they seem to arrive on barely more than a wing and a prayer. We are also getting hammered with very cold and windy weather. But, it is that time. I am also going to be working this weekend "fixing up" my shelters. Just wish I could do more... I can feel for you concerning Emma. This summer a feral mom and her kittens were dumped under a neighbors' bush in a boxMom escaped, I reared the 2 boys. I did trap mom, named her Charity, had her spayed, tested and then kept her in the barn hoping to be able to socialize her. (I ended up in hospital from bites when I trapped her. My fault, not her's. I'd bite a human after being stuffed in a box and thrown out!) We made some progress, she let me stroke her with her "plume". But she was miserable being confined. And one day, she got out and took off. I was going to re-trap her, but clearly, she was very unhappy confined.She was gone for many weeks, and she has come back. So, at least I know she has a warm, dry place food. But, I still worry. Especially seeing fatalities around herebusy roads. Hopefully you will have good luck with Emma. And, turn to Hideyo - she is the list's expert on ferals, and much more. She is a wonderful, wise and compassionate woman. She will help you out any way she can. She gave you a good tip with the Purina info. Worth a try, huh? Wishing you all the best, Patti
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This tattered tom is one very "savvy" boy. First time I trapped him, he just sat back, let me stroke his head thru trap. and I am thinking, "He's not bad at all..." Well, in attempting to transfer from trap to carrier, he showed his stuff! He must've knew I was wearing gloves, so he dove right into my stomach - bit thru SS and long-johns! Ouch! This time, he will remain in trap. I can be savvy too, Big Boy! Patti
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That's why I am afraid of trapping them. I don't know what the heck to do and i don't want to hurt them or me in the process! Hey, their survival instinct kept them alive this long and now we have done the one thing they have been trying to avoid all of their lives! Yup, I'd bite ans claw too! I call this guy Cujo. He just is. Huge, nasty and all torn up. Nasty cat. He almost killed my feral Jasper before we brought him inside. If I hadn't been there with a broom, he would have been dead. Jasper was so weak and sick he couldn't even stand. He was literally a skeleton, and this guy wanted his food. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group This tattered tom is one very "savvy" boy. First time I trapped him, he just sat back, let me stroke his head thru trap. and I am thinking, "He's not bad at all..." Well, in attempting to transfer from trap to carrier, he showed his stuff! He must've knew I was wearing gloves, so he dove right into my stomach - bit thru SS and long-johns! Ouch! This time, he will remain in trap. I can be savvy too, Big Boy! Patti
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Can you just trap Cujo prior to neutering, and then just leave him in trap. Vet can anesthesize him in trap, and then place him in carrier while he's still under, after surgery? That's what I am doing this time with "Black Bart" ~ (not too original, but they all deserve names.) Patti
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I haven't even approached the neutering aspect yet. I am tapped out just feeding everyone. I would need some help down here for other things to be done. Heck, I need help with feeding them. There are many hungry cold cats here, and I am only one person without a trust fund or a rich husband! In fact my hubby kindly worked an extra day this week just for feral food. We do what we can.Black Bart...that's cute. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group Can you just trap Cujo prior to neutering, and then just leave him in trap. Vet can anesthesize him in trap, and then place him in carrier while he's still under, after surgery? That's what I am doing this time with "Black Bart" ~ (not too original, but they all deserve names.) Patti
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In a message dated 12/2/05 10:21:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am only one person without a trust fund or a rich husband! In fact my hubby kindly worked an extra day this week just for feral food. Renee~ Yeah, no trust fund or rich husband here either. In fact, no husband, period. Seems to me you are fortunate to have a partner willing to help (financially, anyway) take care of the ferals. It's tough. I spend more money feeding all the critters here, (my 4 dogs, 5 cats, PLUS 5 "foster" cats the ferals), than I do on myself! "Live simply, so others may simply live." Words I do live by Patti
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Live simply, so others may simply live!! I love that! Yes, I believe that is something I will put somewhere where I can see it everyday.I am going to have to get creative with feeding them. Lately I have been adding in rice and pasta to help beef up their body weight. They love the wet food, but sometimes I worry that it is too rich/oily for their tender systems. I am also going to list a bunch of stuff on ebay, maybe that will help. I have to post flyers to see if people will donate food. I will print some up tomorrow, if this fever ever goes away and I begin to feel human and mobile again! LOL - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:27 PM Subject: Re: NJ feral group In a message dated 12/2/05 10:21:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am only one person without a trust fund or a rich husband! In fact my hubby kindly worked an extra day this week just for feral food. Renee~ Yeah, no trust fund or rich husband here either. In fact, no husband, period. Seems to me you are fortunate to have a partner willing to help (financially, anyway) take care of the ferals. It's tough. I spend more money feeding all the critters here, (my 4 dogs, 5 cats, PLUS 5 "foster" cats the ferals), than I do on myself! "Live simply, so others may simply live." Words I do live by Patti
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Lately I have been adding in rice and pasta to help beef up their body weight. Actually, by doing that, you are doing exactly the opposite of what you intend to do. Cats are carnivores, and do not get hardly any benefit from carbohydrates, they are built to run on animal derived FAT and PROTEIN. You would be better off adding MORE fat to their food than pasta and rice. Any meat trimmings you might get when you prepare your own food, like the skin off chicken, or the fat trimmed offsteaks would be of benefit to the cats. A little bacon grease stirred into the food would boost the fat content and help too, but don't add too much or they may end up with diarrhea. Make sure that if you give them any kind of pork fat or meat, that it is WELL cooked, because pigs carry tritrichimonsis, and it is highly contagious to cats (and humans). You don't need to cook beef or chicken before feeding that. In addition, feeding pasta and rice to cats will cause taurine deficiency, which leads to blindness in cats. A little is OK, but it's not something you want to regularly use to dilute the cat food to make it go further. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
Re: NJ feral group (NJ feral groups that might help you)
http://www.nj-ara.org/ferals/ferals.html(NJ) http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/(NY) http://www.alleycat.org/wheretnr.html#nj(NJ - alley cat allies working with partners in NJ) http://www.care4strays.org/index.html(NJ) http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/NJ187.html(NJ - TNR info lower down on page) http://www.njferals.org/(NJ) http://www.grdodge.org/woa_main.htm(NJ animal welfare funding/grants) http://www.whiskersrescue.org/(NJ) http://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/spayneut.htm(NJ - low cost spay/neuter for low income people) http://members.petfinder.org/~NJ44/HOME.html(NJ - local spca, no feral help shown on site, but maybe they could refer you to someone local) http://www.nj.com/living/ledger/index.ssf?/base/living-0/113186142498600.xmlcoll=1(write to this NJ newspaper, tell them your story, it may help. Write to the other feral caretakers listed in it, ask them for advice/help. FYI, I have offered to take a number of the cemetery ferals this article refers to) http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/carolscats.html(NJ) I could do this all night, and find hundreds for you... try these, if they can't help you, go to http://google.com and search Feral Cat NJ, and you'll come across all these and more. I'm tired and going to bed. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 12/1/2005
