RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts

2000-11-30 Thread Frank Paris

I forgot to mention that my contract is also for five years. What does that
work out to be? Cornerstone estimates that their monitor is about 40 times
more reliable than Polaroid estimates the SS4000 to be? That should tell us
something.

Frank Paris
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frank Paris
 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:57 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts


 The fact that the service contract is so expensive tells you how reliable
 Polaroid thinks these things are. I have a similar contract for my
 Cornerstone p1700 21" monitor, which costs almost as much as the
 SS4000. The
 price of the contract? $35. It works the same way. You call them
 up and tell
 them it's broken. They send you a new one. When you get it, you send them
 the broken one. In this case, however, I don't think you have to send the
 new one back. It's a trade. Obviously, Cornerstone doesn't think their
 monitor is going to break (what's the break?).





Re: filmscanners: Vuescan ~ manual exposure

2000-11-30 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 11/29/2000 1:39:44 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I was playing with the newest distribution of Vuescan last night,
  trying to determine how and when VS determined the exposure.  I had a
  difficult time with consistent determinations ... it would seemingly
  determine the exposure (RGB and IR) only if I asked for 'scan|device'.

Yes, that's correct.  The reason for this is that doing batch scanning
doesn't do the color correction for the preview (to save time).  In
addition, sometimes people move the crop box, but don't do a
"Preview|Memory" command to refresh the preview.  It was easier
to implement (and more reliable) the way it is now.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Re: filmscanners: Vusecan problem

2000-11-30 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 11/29/2000 5:06:52 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am sure that in the past, when I have scanned slides, I have done so at 48
  bit and then ended up with a Tiff file which is 36 bit in PS (maximum bit
  depth on the scanner).
  
  Now, when I scan, even set at 48bit in vuescan, all I get is a 24 bit file.

You need to set both the "Device|Bits per pixel" option and
the "Files|TIFF file type" option.  I suspect you didn't change
the option in the Files tab.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Re: filmscanners: scan dual-scan dual II

2000-11-30 Thread Dale Gail

Roger,

  Thank you for the reply.  The scans look very good. I have tons of slides
dating back to 1960 that I want to scan and place on CDs. So my initial use
of the scanner will be for that purpose.

Again thanks
Dale

- Original Message -
From: "Richard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: scan dual-scan dual II


 Hi
 Here are a few examples of scans from a Canoscan FS2710 if it's of any
help.

 http://homepage.eircom.net/~ricwalsh/


 --

 Regards

 Richard

 //
  | @ @ --- Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   C _) )
--- '
  __ /


 
  Is there much improvement between Minolta Scan Dual and Scan Dual II ?
I'm
  considering purchasing the Dual II or the Canon FS 2710 as they seem to
be
  pretty close in specs. If not one of them maybe the Minolta Elite as it
also
  has D Ice.
 
  Any suggestions, comments on the about the scanners mentioned would be
  appreciated.
  Thank you
 
 





RE: filmscanners: Vusecan problem

2000-11-30 Thread Tim Atherton

Ah, that's it - thanks Ed. I had looked all over trying to find which box I
may not have set - missed that.

Tim

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: November 30, 2000 1:57 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: filmscanners: Vusecan problem


 In a message dated 11/29/2000 5:06:52 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I am sure that in the past, when I have scanned slides, I have
 done so at 48
   bit and then ended up with a Tiff file which is 36 bit in PS
 (maximum bit
   depth on the scanner).
 
   Now, when I scan, even set at 48bit in vuescan, all I get is a
 24 bit file.

 You need to set both the "Device|Bits per pixel" option and
 the "Files|TIFF file type" option.  I suspect you didn't change
 the option in the Files tab.

 Regards,
 Ed Hamrick




Re: Re[2]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-11-30 Thread Tony Sleep

 Yes, probably a factor.  Another possibility is the limited bit depth of the
 LS30.  This would be more of an issue on negs than slides due to the compressed
 range of negatives.

It should be the opposite.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: 4x5 budget flatbed scanners - opinions

2000-11-30 Thread Tony Sleep

 You got me on this one. I understand "dust and crud" and "limited Dmax" but
 what are Newton's rings?

Newton's rings are an optical interference artifact, which appear as concentric rings 
of greater and lesser density. They are caused by intimate contact between the shiny 
film base and smooth glass. The emulsion side is generally matt enough to avoid the 
problem. Humidity and pressure are factors. Anti-Newton ring glass is often used in 
the 
upper half of enlarger neg carriers and in slide mounts, which has a slightly dimpled 
surface, and it's just about impossible to get rid of them any other way.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



RE: filmscanners: 4x5 budget flatbed scanners - opinions

2000-11-30 Thread Tony Sleep

 Perfection 1640

What is the maximum film size this model can accomodate? And is there a limit to the 
thickness? I've got to find some way of quickly and cheaply scanning 35mm negs a roll 
at a time for a contact sheet, and want to use the 10x8" glass from an old Paterson 
contact frame, which is about 4mm thick and holds 6x 6frame strips. Any other 
suggestions for suitable flatbeds?

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



RE: filmscanners: 4x5 budget flatbed scanners - opinions

2000-11-30 Thread Tony Sleep

 BTW, on these lower end (albeit 48bit 1200dpi scanners) the manufacturers
 don't even seem to give dmax - which would be useful, but I'll have to
 double check

It's a dubious specification anyhow, since there's no standardised measurement 
technique.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-30 Thread Mark Ligtenberg

From: photoscientia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:47 PM

 Hi all,

 Can I steer this back to monitor calibration please?

 I've been experimenting further with dithered tones, and I'd like your
collective
 opinion on these little
 'greyscales' that I've come up with.
 They're very small little GIFs, so I've taken the liberty of attaching
them.

 There's a greyscale GIF for each of 8 target gammas, in 0.2 steps from 1.0
to 2.4.
 The idea is to get the closest match between the inner and outer squares.
 The best method is to view them from a distance of  3 or 4 ft (1 to 1.5
metres), and
 half close your eyes to blur the dithered centre square; then you can see
if the
 tones match more easily.
 The square with the number in it is a 'key' tone, and is the one most
critical to
 assessing the gamma, but the other 3 squares should be a good match as
well.
 Oh, yes. They must be viewed at 1:1 scale as well, otherwise they won't
work.

 I know the idea isn't original, but I've only ever seen single tone
examples before.
 These cover a wider brightness range, and I think they should give a
pretty good
 gamma match, or indication of system gamma, within the limits of simple
visual
 comparison.

 I don't have a huge range of systems and monitors to test them on, so I
hope some of
 you will act as guinea pigs, sorry, beta testers, for me.
 I'm not asking you to change the settings of your monitor or video card,
but I hope
 that a lot of you reading this list will know the gamma of your system
fairly
 accurately.
 If you could check the relevant GIF and some of the others against your
known system,
 and give me some feedback, I'd be most grateful.

 Thanks for taking the time to read this.

 Regards,Pete.


Maybe a better Monitor Gamma Calibrator:

http://www.spurgeonstudio.com/NoFrame/moncal.htm
Mark L.





RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts

2000-11-30 Thread Tony Sleep

 The fact that the service contract is so expensive tells you how reliable
 Polaroid thinks these things are. I have a similar contract for my
 Cornerstone p1700 21" monitor, which costs almost as much as the SS4000. The
 price of the contract? $35.

Yeah, but fixing a monitor will usually be a quick swap-out of a board, if done by a 
mfr, electromechanical bits aren't often so modular and require more workshop time.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: cd storage

2000-11-30 Thread Charles Knox

At 11:49 AM 29-11-00 -, you wrote:
Alan,
I recently purchased the Complete National Geographics 31 CDs
of all of their 110 years of magazines plus the set of 8 CDs of every
pull-out map that they have published. My Yamaha CD Reader/Writer has
a Hell of a job reading the Instalation Disc for the complete set of
maps. All the other CDs read just fine. Both sets were brand new
unopened and not a visible scratch on the dodgy CD.

Chris.

Chris, see if you can copy the disc, then check if the copy reads OK --
sometimes commercial pressings do this in *some* readers. 

We have an audio player (Sony, current model, almost new) that can't read
several perfectly good looking discs which all our other players (Panasonic
(Technics), Pioneer, Wintel DVD, computer reader, computer re-writer)
recognise without a problem.

If I copy them, the Sony plays the *copies* without trouble.

If you can't copy it and it's not copy-protected, throw it back at the vendor.

Regards

Charles



RE: Re[3]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-11-30 Thread Tony Sleep

 Weird - I just received truncated messages from the list (they're empty).
  Any ideas, Tony?

Unfortunately not, though I have noticed them as well:( 

Run as it is now, via a remote listserver, I have no more insight than anyone else 
except for a few admin commands I have to send by email. I have to take problems up 
with my ISP.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner info  
comparisons



RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts

2000-11-30 Thread Edwin Eleazer




 Service contracts generally seem bad value to me, as price must
 be based on statistical
 probabilities + a healthy profit element. My attitude is
 generally to believe that the
 company knows what it is doing, therefore I'd be more likely to
 come out ahead if I
 don't buy the contract g.

My five year service contract for the Nikon LS-30 was only $100, which seems
like a good deal to me. By the time that is up I'll probably be buying a
better one anyway. They initially wanted $165 for a 3 year contract, and
when I said I wasn't interested, the seller wanted to negotiate and I ended
up with a five year for $100. Plus the repair center in right down the road
in Atlanta, Georgia. Hopefully I'll never need it, but the $100 seemed like
money well spent at the time.




Re: filmscanners: 4x5 budget flatbed scanners - opinions

2000-11-30 Thread Johnny Deadman

on 30/11/00 6:00 am, Tony Sleep at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Perfection 1640
 
 What is the maximum film size this model can accomodate?


I think this has a 5x7 aperture so it's no good for you.
-- 
Johnny Deadman

http://www.pinkheadedbug.com





Re: filmscanners: scan dual-scan dual II

2000-11-30 Thread Richard


 
 Thank you for the reply.  The scans look very good. I have tons of slides
 dating back to 1960 that I want to scan and place on CDs. So my initial use
 of the scanner will be for that purpose.
 
 Again thanks
 Dale

Dale 

If you have to scan "tons of slides" I would steer away from the FS2710 as
it doesn't support batch scanning.


-- 

Regards

Richard

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Re: filmscanners: scan dual-scan dual II

2000-11-30 Thread Dale Gail

Sorry Richard. I don't know how I got Roger out of Richard.

Dale

- Original Message -
From: "Dale  Gail" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: scan dual-scan dual II


 Roger,

   Thank you for the reply.  The scans look very good. I have tons of
slides
 dating back to 1960 that I want to scan and place on CDs. So my initial
use
 of the scanner will be for that purpose.

 Again thanks
 Dale

 - Original Message -
 From: "Richard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: filmscanners: scan dual-scan dual II


  Hi
  Here are a few examples of scans from a Canoscan FS2710 if it's of any
 help.
 
  http://homepage.eircom.net/~ricwalsh/
 
 
  --
 
  Regards
 
  Richard
 
  //
   | @ @ --- Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
C _) )
 --- '
   __ /
 
 
  
   Is there much improvement between Minolta Scan Dual and Scan Dual II ?
 I'm
   considering purchasing the Dual II or the Canon FS 2710 as they seem
to
 be
   pretty close in specs. If not one of them maybe the Minolta Elite as
it
 also
   has D Ice.
  
   Any suggestions, comments on the about the scanners mentioned would be
   appreciated.
   Thank you
  
  
 





Re: Re[2]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-11-30 Thread Rob Geraghty

Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Yes, probably a factor.  Another possibility is the limited bit depth of
the
  LS30.  This would be more of an issue on negs than slides due to the
compressed
  range of negatives.
 It should be the opposite.

Agreed!!!

Rob





RE: filmscanners: 4x5 budget flatbed scanners - opinions

2000-11-30 Thread Jim Yount

Tony,

The Perfection 1640 has a 4x5 inch window for transparency adaptor, and
would therefore not work for making a contact sheet from 35mm.  The system
uses plastic holders, keeping the film roughly 1/16 inch above the glass.


Jim


 Perfection 1640

What is the maximum film size this model can accomodate? And is there a
limit to the
thickness? I've got to find some way of quickly and cheaply scanning 35mm
negs a roll
at a time for a contact sheet, and want to use the 10x8" glass from an old
Paterson
contact frame, which is about 4mm thick and holds 6x 6frame strips. Any
other
suggestions for suitable flatbeds?

Regards

Tony Sleep




filmscanners: recommending scanners

2000-11-30 Thread Sara Jane Boyers

I'm the one querying on which scanner to buy for my 35 slides and 
wanted to tell you all how informative all of your replies and 
conversations have been.  I am still listening in as I determine what 
to do and am learning more everyday.  I'll jump in soon as soon as I 
decide and start working... can't wait!  Thanks so much.
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RE: filmscanners: Vuescan ~ manual exposure

2000-11-30 Thread shAf

Ed Hamrick writes ...

 In a message dated 11/29/2000 1:39:44 PM EST,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I was playing with the newest distribution of Vuescan last night,
   trying to determine how and when VS determined the
 exposure.  I had a
   difficult time with consistent determinations ... it
 would seemingly
   determine the exposure (RGB and IR) only if I asked for
 'scan|device'.

 Yes, that's correct.  The reason for this is that doing
 batch scanning
 doesn't do the color correction for the preview (to save time).  In
 addition, sometimes people move the crop box, but don't do a
 "Preview|Memory" command to refresh the preview.  It was easier
 to implement (and more reliable) the way it is now.
 ...

In one sense, this philosophy accommodates users who "forget" how
Vuescan works, and heavily weights Vuescan's common usage towards
"automatic" and "batch" scanning.  If I want to experiment, and
accommodate individual exposures for particular film frames, I seem to
be left with changing 'scan|device' parameters from being quick enough
for "sampling" (... e.g, single pass, low res, low depth, no crop file
...), to "careful" (... e.g, multiple pass, high res, highbits, crop
file ...).
Why not allow "determine exposure" settings similar to how you allow
"determine focus".  Is there something which doesn't allow Vuescan to
disable reading for exposure ("manual" mode), and putting it with
'focus' in the "device" menu list(?)  In addition to the "modes"
Vuescan allows for 'exposure' and 'focus', you could add a "batch"
mode, which does both during the scan automatically ... and disables
preview.
Don't let me to appear ungrateful ... au contraire ... it's just that
if I'm going to dedicate 15minutes to a highbit scan and archiving
50Mbs of RGB, I'd like something to say about the exposure (... altho
an automatic determination by Vuescan is not a bad way to go
...*smile*...)

shAf  :o)




Re: filmscanners: calibration

2000-11-30 Thread JFMahony91

i need to get something that will calibrate monitor, scanner and printer. 
what is a reasonablly priced program/ hardware. monaco was over $500. i know 
we already talked about it but i am sorry. thanks, joanna



RE: Re[3]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-11-30 Thread Laurie Solomon

I did also; and they all appeared to be coming from Tony or in response to
messages from Tony.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Geraghty
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 1:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Re[3]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.


Weird - I just received truncated messages from the list (they're empty).
 Any ideas, Tony?

-- Original Message --




Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wordweb.com






filmscanners: ACER ScanWit

2000-11-30 Thread Larry Schellhase

Is there any news about the release of the ScanWit 2740S?
Judging from the dump of new 2720s on E-Bay for under
US$300, it must be near.

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Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-30 Thread photoscientia

Hi Berry.

Berry Ives wrote:

 I thought the gamma for my monitor was about 1.5 based on the test at:
 http://www.zonezero.com/calibration/english.html

 Using your test, however, it appears to be about 1.8 - 2.0.

 My monitor is a NEC XV15.

 Don't know if that helps any.

The zonezero gamma test given above uses a dither pattern that's prone to 'risetime'
errors that vary from monitor to monitor. It looks as if my monitor has a gamma of
1.5 on that test as well, although I've set mine up with a photometer, and I know
it's 1.8.
I made the same mistake of trying to use too fine a dither pattern when I first
started messing about with these things.

Regards,   Pete.





RE: filmscanners: calibration

2000-11-30 Thread Richard Wolfson

Get the ColorVision RGB Suite 1, consisting of photocal/monitor spyder/
profiler RGB bundle for $299.

http://www.colorcal.com/solutions.html?page=digital_photography

This will calibrate  profile your monitor (extremely well) and allow
you to build good custom profiles for your printer/ink/paper
combinations using a flatbed scanner (cheap) instead of a
spectrophotometer (expensive).

This package does not include scanner calibration/profiling, but once
your monitor  printer are properly profiled, I think you will find
that's not necessary or even helpful.

Richard Wolfson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 2:27 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: filmscanners: calibration


 i need to get something that will calibrate monitor, scanner
 and printer.
 what is a reasonablly priced program/ hardware. monaco was
 over $500. i know
 we already talked about it but i am sorry. thanks, joanna




RE: filmscanners: calibration

2000-11-30 Thread Shough, Dean

 i need to get something that will calibrate monitor, scanner and printer. 
 what is a reasonablly priced program/ hardware. monaco was over $500. i
 know 
 we already talked about it but i am sorry. thanks, joanna


I recommend ColorVision RGB Suite I 
( http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi )
for $300.  It consists of a combination of

Profiler RGB
A powerful Photoshop plug-in that produces RGB ICC/ColorSync printer profiles
optimized for the color output of your favorite printer to provide you with
accurate color output from any RGB printer.

and 

Monitor Spyder with PhotoCal Software
A monitor calibration and profiling system that teams a simple, user-friendly
assistant based on Color Vision's highly acclaimed OptiCal with a specially
developed seven-filter monitor measurement device, the Spyder sensor.


Dean Shough
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Re[2]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-11-30 Thread bjs


- Original Message -
From: "Rob Geraghty" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.


 Byron wrote:
  Yes, probably a factor.  Another possibility is the limited bit depth
  of the LS30.  This would be more of an issue on negs than slides due
  to the compressed range of negatives.

 Surely the bit range used by negs should be in the midrange of possible
 values precisely because it is compressed?

Yes but these values are quantized to 10 bits on a LS30 rather than 12 bits as
in other scanners.  So there is four times the quantization noise.  When
decompressed (ie expanded) this extra quantization noise becomes objectionable.


 Wouldn't the least significant bits be the dark areas in slides and beyond
the brightest parts of negs?


No, the least significant bits apply at all brightness levels not just the
darkest/lightest.


Byron




filmscanners: opinions kodak rfs 3600 scanner Vs Minolta dual II

2000-11-30 Thread DSmall9917

Wondering if we have any users of the new kodak rfs 3600. I had asked a few 
weeks ago. Hopefully there are more in the pipeline by now. Looking for 
opinions and or reviews. Have been holding back buying a scanner. The specs 
look great for the money. But i'm leery about buying it without feedback from 
people who have actually used it. My second choice is the Minolta dimage scan 
dual II. Will be using it primaraly for negatives tri x bw and misc color 
negs. These are all hand held shots. Wondering how critical the resolution 
difference between the two would be for larger prints. Any advice would be 
most appreciated.
 Dave Small



Re: filmscanners: Monitor Calibration And Others

2000-11-30 Thread Berry Ives

on 11/30/00 5:13 AM, Mark Ligtenberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: photoscientia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:47 PM
 
 Hi all,
 
 Can I steer this back to monitor calibration please?
 
 I've been experimenting further with dithered tones, and I'd like your
 collective
 opinion on these little
 'greyscales' that I've come up with.
 They're very small little GIFs, so I've taken the liberty of attaching
 them.
 
 There's a greyscale GIF for each of 8 target gammas, in 0.2 steps from 1.0
 to 2.4.
 The idea is to get the closest match between the inner and outer squares.
 The best method is to view them from a distance of  3 or 4 ft (1 to 1.5
 metres), and
 half close your eyes to blur the dithered centre square; then you can see
 if the
 tones match more easily.
 The square with the number in it is a 'key' tone, and is the one most
 critical to
 assessing the gamma, but the other 3 squares should be a good match as
 well.
 Oh, yes. They must be viewed at 1:1 scale as well, otherwise they won't
 work.
 
 I know the idea isn't original, but I've only ever seen single tone
 examples before.
 These cover a wider brightness range, and I think they should give a
 pretty good
 gamma match, or indication of system gamma, within the limits of simple
 visual
 comparison.
 
 I don't have a huge range of systems and monitors to test them on, so I
 hope some of
 you will act as guinea pigs, sorry, beta testers, for me.
 I'm not asking you to change the settings of your monitor or video card,
 but I hope
 that a lot of you reading this list will know the gamma of your system
 fairly
 accurately.
 If you could check the relevant GIF and some of the others against your
 known system,
 and give me some feedback, I'd be most grateful.
 
 Thanks for taking the time to read this.
 
 Regards,Pete.
 
 
 Maybe a better Monitor Gamma Calibrator:
 
 http://www.spurgeonstudio.com/NoFrame/moncal.htm
 Mark L.
 
 
 
I get the same result with this spurgeonstudio.com link as I did with Pete's
Photoscientia test.  It provides more precision, however.  It comes out 1.9,
which is right in the middle of the 1.8 - 2.0 range I got using Pete's test.
My monitor, as I said before, is an NEC XV15, and I might add that it is
about 5 years old.  It has not been in use professionally, but probably used
an average of about 1 or 2 hours per day, so for you pros it is about a year
old I suppose.  

--Berry




filmscanners: Scan Dual II

2000-11-30 Thread Dale Gail

Hi,

  Anyone on this list have the Minolta scan Dual II? Does it do a good job
with slides. What is the software like? Have you sample unaltered scans that
are available for view?

Thank you
Dale




filmscanners: Does anyone have Vuescan 6.3.12

2000-11-30 Thread Samuel M. Kennard

Hello All,

For some reason Vuescan 6.3.13 and above do not work on my
computers. Is anyone able to send me a copy of 6.3.12, the
last version that worked?

Thanks,

Sam Kennard




RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts

2000-11-30 Thread Frank Paris

That is precisely my point. Highly mechanical things are less reliable and
so the service contracts are more expensive. I generally get them for
mechanical things but not for purely electronic things, unless they're dirt
cheap like that Cornerstone monitor. I always get them for CD players
because they invariably pay for themselves, because eventually the
manufacturers don't have the parts to fix the old machines when they
inevitably break and they have to replace them with a brand new one. I
invested $60 in (two) three year service contracts ($30 apiece) for a
Philips CD player over the course of five years and this is exactly what
happened. I got a brand new machine from them (that actually had more
features than the original) when they couldn't repair the old one. Did I pay
the $30 for a new contract for the new machine? You betcha.

Frank Paris
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep
 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts


  The fact that the service contract is so expensive tells you
 how reliable
  Polaroid thinks these things are. I have a similar contract for my
  Cornerstone p1700 21" monitor, which costs almost as much as
 the SS4000. The
  price of the contract? $35.

 Yeah, but fixing a monitor will usually be a quick swap-out of a
 board, if done by a
 mfr, electromechanical bits aren't often so modular and require
 more workshop time.

 Regards

 Tony Sleep
 http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film
 scanner info 
 comparisons




RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts

2000-11-30 Thread Frank Paris

 Hopefully I'll never need it, but the $100
 seemed like
 money well spent at the time.

Hopefully you WILL need it, but after parts are no longer available to
repair it. Then you'll get a brand new machine probably higher performance
and reliability than the last.

Frank Paris
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edwin Eleazer
 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: filmscanners: Polaroid SS4000 Extended Service Contracts




 
  Service contracts generally seem bad value to me, as price must
  be based on statistical
  probabilities + a healthy profit element. My attitude is
  generally to believe that the
  company knows what it is doing, therefore I'd be more likely to
  come out ahead if I
  don't buy the contract g.

 My five year service contract for the Nikon LS-30 was only $100,
 which seems
 like a good deal to me. By the time that is up I'll probably be buying a
 better one anyway. They initially wanted $165 for a 3 year contract, and
 when I said I wasn't interested, the seller wanted to negotiate
 and I ended
 up with a five year for $100. Plus the repair center in right
 down the road
 in Atlanta, Georgia. Hopefully I'll never need it, but the $100
 seemed like
 money well spent at the time.





RE: filmscanners: Scan Dual II

2000-11-30 Thread Daryl G. Jurbala
Title: RE: filmscanners: Scan Dual II






I have been very happy with mine, but I use VueScan. I scan mostly slides (Kodachrome and Provia). It has some troubles with certain Velvia images, as most CCD scanners seem to.

I wish I had a Q-60 to scan on it, but I may be able to come up with some other things to scan for you if you give me an idea of what you might like to see (trannies or negs, type of shot, color or bw etc.).

Again, overall I'm very pleased. It outperforms all other in it's price range in my opinion and for my purposes. And VueScan is the greatest piece of software ever. ;)

Daryl


 -Original Message-

 From: Dale  Gail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:39 PM

 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Subject: filmscanners: Scan Dual II

 

 

 Hi,

 

 Anyone on this list have the Minolta scan Dual II? Does it 

 do a good job

 with slides. What is the software like? Have you sample 

 unaltered scans that

 are available for view?

 

 Thank you

 Dale

 

 





Re: filmscanners: calibration

2000-11-30 Thread johnprendergast.freeserve.co.uk

I have a Minolta Scan Multi, film scanner and an Epson 1200, printer but no
flat bed scanner, will I still be able to successfully use the ColorVision
equipment, mentioned here, to calibrate my monitor and printer ?

Regards,
John
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From: Mystic [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vendredi 1 décembre 2000 02:05
Subject: Re: filmscanners: calibration


 You will need to have Photo Shop (version 5.02 (I think) or higher) to use
Profiler RGB.
 The PhotoCal and Spyder are really good.
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: "Shough, Dean" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:05
 Subject: RE: filmscanners: calibration


  i need to get something that will calibrate monitor, scanner and
printer.
  what is a reasonablly priced program/ hardware. monaco was over $500. i
  know
  we already talked about it but i am sorry. thanks, joanna
 

 I recommend ColorVision RGB Suite I
 ( http://www.colorcal.com/cgi-bin/shop.cgi )
 for $300.  It consists of a combination of

 Profiler RGB
 A powerful Photoshop plug-in that produces RGB ICC/ColorSync printer
profiles
 optimized for the color output of your favorite printer to provide you
with
 accurate color output from any RGB printer.

 and

 Monitor Spyder with PhotoCal Software
 A monitor calibration and profiling system that teams a simple,
user-friendly
 assistant based on Color Vision's highly acclaimed OptiCal with a
specially
 developed seven-filter monitor measurement device, the Spyder sensor.

 
 Dean Shough
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]






RE: filmscanners: Film Scanners and what they see.

2000-11-30 Thread Julian Robinson

I haven't been in the loop on this, but Rob's preference for slides over 
negs on his LS30 surprises me - I get satisfying negative scans now out of 
my Nikon scanner but still have trouble with slides.  I was initially v 
disappointed re negs (hence a number of my confused questions to this and 
other lists) but it seems to be generally sorted out now.

My "solutions" were:

a) I scan EVERYTHING at 12 bit depth into PS.  This makes any subsequent 
adjustments feasible and 'non-destructive', which was not the case with 
images I initially captured in 8-bit depth.

b) I choose my films a bit more carefully, although I can now get 
acceptable scans from consumer films. I like Supra for grain although not 
mad about the colour.

c) I probably expose more carefully (in the camera I mean).

d) Maybe I understand the workflow of the scanner and software better than 
I did - at least I feel as though I know what is happening now and can make 
adequate and predictable use of the excellent control offered by choices of 
lo-contrast prescan mode, multi-scanning, exposure control and ICE.

e) I use ICE for all scans - it reduces grain visibility somewhat which 
presumably means it is degrading sharpness but I can't notice it.

f) Maybe I have lowered my standards, but I would have thought this 
unlikely - usually it goes the other way with experience.

OTOH I still am constantly frustrated by lack of ability to scan the entire 
dynamic range of slides - my histograms are always cut off at the top or 
bottom, and I find it hard to believe that my slides are so contrasty that 
not one of them scans as well as I would expect.

So - it is strange that it seems I can do negs but not slides, you can do 
slides but don't like negs.

Julian

At 10:24 30/11/00, Rob wrote:
Frank wrote:
  I understand your explanation perfectly, but it shows that in
  very contrasty situations, you're better off chosing negatives
  than positives because the positives will be more likely to
  saturate in both directions, the negative capturing more of
  the total range.

Except that scanned negatives look like crap on my scanner, so what good
does the increased tonal range do for me? *sigh* Obviously I should give
up on the whole idea of having a digital darkroom.  It's all too damned
expensive and all too hard.  I definitely won't ever suggest to anyone else
to buy a Nikon LS30 or any other Nikon scanner.


Julian Robinson
in usually sunny, smog free Canberra, Australia