Re: [Finale] Plugin idea/request
On 11 Nov 2002 at 15:14, Mark D. Lew wrote: I'm not sure if it's available to the public, but I know that Recordare has a routine that will display all sorts of detailed statistics about which notes are used in a piece, calculated from the MusicXML data. If you're on a Windows version of Finale with Dolet, you might be able to set up something using that. I had not thought about XML but thanks for the idea. Recordare has put a few followup messages here. Before those were posted I decided to try some Linux/Unix hacks on the XML code. It isn't pretty but it is much faster than going through a whole piece note by note looking to see if a particular note is or isn't used. It is a Bash shell script that I'll post in another message. Perhaps the plugin developers on here can use it to make a real plugin. - James Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Plugin idea/request
Is there any plugin available that will create a handbells bells used chart? That being a grand staff with noteheads (no stems) listing melodically the pitches (incl. separate entries for accidentals) that are present in a piece of music with all notes below Db5 (C5=Middle C) in the bass clef, the rest in the treble clef with octaves above B6 being allowed. As it is now when I'm done working on a handbell piece I have to go through all 61 possible notes by hand, one at a time, and see if they are present in the piece then remove/add from the bell template used bell list. I'd even settle for a list of used notes if the plugin can't create the actual notation. I'm also hoping someone will tell me that there already is a plugin that I've missed, please? - James Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jamesgilbertmusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
At 01:38 AM 10/23/02, Jari Williamsson wrote: Layout Manager in Forza! will do that, although it will give you a bit more options regarding measure distribution and page breaks than this. I'll see if I can put a draft of this specific feature in the next couple of betas. That sounds fantastic, Jari -- I can't wait. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:26:55 -0400 Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd love to be able to select all of the measures on the page and distribute them optimally in one pass. This would also help at the ends of pieces. I find that very often the last line of a part has just a measure or two, which means I have to push those measures up and then redistribute the overage. It would be great to be able to push the measures up and then run a plugin on selected systems to redistribute. My $.02. Aaron. Have you tried TGTools: Layout - Fit Measures - specify the number of systems you want to distribute the highlighted measures into? This is one of the most useful plug-ins I have found. Run this and Jari's 'Space Systems' plugin and you've cut out a huge amount of work. Rick ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
At 08:55 AM 10/23/02, Rick Neal wrote: Have you tried TGTools: Layout - Fit Measures - specify the number of systems you want to distribute the highlighted measures into? This is close, but it doesn't quite do what I'm looking for. For example, I've got a page of music with 5 systems, and one measure on the next page. If I select all the measures and use Fit Measures to squeeze them into just 5 systems, the only thing that happens is that the last measure gets pushed onto the previous system. The problem is that this leaves the last line rather crowded. An optimal distribution would push measures around on the page so that all systems are slightly crowded, but none is very crowded. Or rather, so that no system is significantly more crowded than the others. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
TGTools Fit Music does this. Just select the music that you want to be on the page, count the systems, and let TGTools redistribute the music. Works fine for me. Aaron Sherber schreef: When I extract parts from a score and then go to tweak each part, I seem to spend much of my time in scenarios like this: Right-hand page has no rests on it, but there's a nice long rest 3 bars into the next page. So I use Mass Mover to nudge those three bars into the previous line, which leaves me with one very crowded line. I push one or two of those measures up to the next line, making that line crowded. Repeat as necessary until all lines on the page look okay. I'd love to see a plugin that helps out with this. In particular, after I move the first group of measures so that the page break falls at the right place, I'd love to be able to select all of the measures on the page and distribute them optimally in one pass. This would also help at the ends of pieces. I find that very often the last line of a part has just a measure or two, which means I have to push those measures up and then redistribute the overage. It would be great to be able to push the measures up and then run a plugin on selected systems to redistribute. My $.02. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
At 08:54 AM 10/23/02, Barbara Touburg wrote: TGTools Fit Music does this. Just select the music that you want to be on the page, count the systems, and let TGTools redistribute the music. Works fine for me. I had some problems (detailed in another post) in getting this to work as I would like. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
At 11:01 AM 10/23/02, Rick Neal wrote: I just now had to do this with a page with 8 staff systems and one measure on the next page. When I used TGTools it redistributed the entire page NOT just cramming the extra measure into the last system. No system looks any more crowded than another. After my next class leaves, I'll try it in a couple of other situations and see if the problem you describe surfaces. I'm on FinWin 2003 with the latest version of TGTools. What are you using? Does this happen every time you have a leftover measure? I have the same setup as you, and with the couple of tests I ran this morning it didn't redistribute the entire page. But perhaps I'll look into it in greater detail. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea and TGTools
Okay, I've done some other spot tests, and it seems that in most cases TGTools Fit Measures does do what I'm looking for. In a few cases, though, it does just cram the extra measure into the previous system without reflowing anything. I guess that its internal algorithm might decide that this is the best solution, although I would arrange things differently. Tobias, since I don't see any documentation for this feature, could you maybe explain a little about how the plugin works and how the Measure Widths dialog plays into it? (Especially the 'Time signature dependent width scaling factor'.) Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
Maybe I missed something here, but have you unlocked your systems and then re-spaced? Jane On 10/23/02 11:22 AM, Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:01 AM 10/23/02, Rick Neal wrote: I just now had to do this with a page with 8 staff systems and one measure on the next page. When I used TGTools it redistributed the entire page NOT just cramming the extra measure into the last system. No system looks any more crowded than another. After my next class leaves, I'll try it in a couple of other situations and see if the problem you describe surfaces. I'm on FinWin 2003 with the latest version of TGTools. What are you using? Does this happen every time you have a leftover measure? I have the same setup as you, and with the couple of tests I ran this morning it didn't redistribute the entire page. But perhaps I'll look into it in greater detail. Thanks, Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
No, I think she means BEFORE running TGTools. Aaron Sherber wrote: At 01:42 PM 10/23/02, Jane Frasier wrote: Maybe I missed something here, but have you unlocked your systems and then re-spaced? Do you mean after running TGTools? That just returns the systems to the state they were in before running TGTools. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
At 03:25 PM 10/23/02, David H. Bailey wrote: No, I think she means BEFORE running TGTools. Okay -- well then, yes, I did. Unless I'm misunderstanding the question. If the suggestion was that I select those measures and apply a different spacing algorithm to them to get them to fit, then I didn't do that. And I would say that changing spacing mid-piece (and having to remember to change it back again if needed) is far too complicated. If the suggestion was just to remove locks and update layout so that Finale can reflow measures, that's just where I started from. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
Unless I'm misunderstanding the question. If the suggestion was that I select those measures and apply a different spacing algorithm to them to get them to fit, then I didn't do that. And I would say that changing spacing mid-piece (and having to remember to change it back again if needed) is far too complicated. A procedure which I occasionally use is to space the measures by my normal spacing algorithm, then use Edit Measure Attributes- Add [x] to Width applied to a large region of measures (usually all of them, or else back to the last page turn that I want to keep) to uniformly reduce each one by a small amount, then update the layout. Sometimes I have to try various values of [x] before I find the right amount of reduction. I assume this is essentially what the proposed plug-in would do. It's moderately tedious, but in most cases like the one you described I find it less cumbersome than moving measures one at a time with the up arrow. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Plugin idea
When I extract parts from a score and then go to tweak each part, I seem to spend much of my time in scenarios like this: Right-hand page has no rests on it, but there's a nice long rest 3 bars into the next page. So I use Mass Mover to nudge those three bars into the previous line, which leaves me with one very crowded line. I push one or two of those measures up to the next line, making that line crowded. Repeat as necessary until all lines on the page look okay. I'd love to see a plugin that helps out with this. In particular, after I move the first group of measures so that the page break falls at the right place, I'd love to be able to select all of the measures on the page and distribute them optimally in one pass. This would also help at the ends of pieces. I find that very often the last line of a part has just a measure or two, which means I have to push those measures up and then redistribute the overage. It would be great to be able to push the measures up and then run a plugin on selected systems to redistribute. My $.02. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
I'm with you Aaron! Great idea! Keith in OZ. - Original Message - From: Aaron Sherber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: [Finale] Plugin idea When I extract parts from a score and then go to tweak each part, I seem to spend much of my time in scenarios like this: Right-hand page has no rests on it, but there's a nice long rest 3 bars into the next page. So I use Mass Mover to nudge those three bars into the previous line, which leaves me with one very crowded line. I push one or two of those measures up to the next line, making that line crowded. Repeat as necessary until all lines on the page look okay. I'd love to see a plugin that helps out with this. In particular, after I move the first group of measures so that the page break falls at the right place, I'd love to be able to select all of the measures on the page and distribute them optimally in one pass. This would also help at the ends of pieces. I find that very often the last line of a part has just a measure or two, which means I have to push those measures up and then redistribute the overage. It would be great to be able to push the measures up and then run a plugin on selected systems to redistribute. My $.02. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
Aaron Sherber writes: I'd love to see a plugin that helps out with this. In particular, after I move the first group of measures so that the page break falls at the right place, I'd love to be able to select all of the measures on the page and distribute them optimally in one pass. Layout Manager in Forza! will do that, although it will give you a bit more options regarding measure distribution and page breaks than this. I'll see if I can put a draft of this specific feature in the next couple of betas. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
