RE: [Finale] Jazz chord
Basically I agree with the comments so far- someone pretending to know their subject- in OZ we'd say a bullshit artist! The thought does occur to me- it sort of makes sense if the sus 5 is a 'typo' for sus9. Thus Fmin,sus9,no7 = F Ab C G- but where it goes to or comes from is a mystery! As for sus 5- well-'nuff sed!! Cheers, Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crystal Premo Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] Jazz chord OK take the money and run honey... we have all done so many times... RW I am sincerely trying to avoid just taking her money, although I am not above such things. She's a singer, like me, and it's possible that her experience with paper is minimal. I will communicate with her more and make a better attempt at understanding what she is trying to represent. Maybe I can help. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 3/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 3/09/2004 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Pitch control in midi
Mmm... My favourite subject! It is possible at least in a Mac with Finale 2004. [Relax, take a deep breath] What we have to do is to send a Registered Parameter Number (RPN) for adjusting the fine tuning and then send data entry values to adjust the real value of the tuning... Easy! Now with the practice: You have to create two expressions (Expressions Tool): 1) Create one and call it RPN1 In playback set DUMP And then write the following hexadecimal values Units= 3 $B0 (be, zero) $65 $00 Press ok twice to close the DUMP window (yes it´s a bug!) Ok to finish 2) Create another expression and call it RPN2 In playback set DUMP And then write the following values Units= 3 $B0 (that¹s be, zero) $64 $01 Press ok (twice to close the DUMP window, yes it´s a bug) Ok to finish Now we are ready to place these expressions in a test score and try the different DATA ENTRY values. Place two dummy quarter note rests and add the two expressions we just created, one in each rest (place RPN1 first). Then add a whole note A4 with a flute sound, for example. Copy the bar once. We are going to add DATA ENTRY values to this second A, and see what happens. Go to MIDI tool, select the second bar and in the MIDI tool menu select Continuous Data... Click Controller and in the pop-up menu choose Data entry. Now you are ready to assign different values. Click in the MIDI tool menu Set To... and type 32 for example. When you playback the file you´ll hear a drop in pitch. Now it´s up to you to experiment: the value of 63 or 64 is more or less 440 hz. If you want I can send you an example file of this. Hope it helps! Javier Ruiz Dear fellow listers, Apologizing if this has been discussed before I'd like to ask whether one can adjust the pitch of a midi file from a=440Hz to say a=430Hz? Is this possible in Finale? Thanks and regards from sunny Vienna, Mario. * Mag. phil. Mario Aschauer Music Director Ensemble NovAntique Linz www.ensemblenovantique.at Durchlaufstraße 14/1/1 1200 Wien +43 - (0)676 - 426 6450 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Jazz chord
... wiping eyes, trying not to disturb cow-orkers with convulsing laughter ... I think the only thing better would've been trying to teach bassoonists how to Swing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/9/04 12:01 AM snip I remember sitting in on some Pops concerts where the featured Jazz Artist spent 15 minutes trying to teach the oboes how to Swing. It was priceless, and a rare opportunity to see actual Hubris at work. /snip ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Jazz chord
on 9/8/04 11:10 PM, Keith Helgesen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thought does occur to me- it sort of makes sense if the sus 5 is a 'typo' for sus9. Thus Fmin,sus9,no7 = F Ab C G- but where it goes to or comes from is a mystery! As for sus 5- well-'nuff sed!! While this makes some 'sense', it would be much better served for players to just write Fm add9. I lived and worked in Los Angeles for 24 years and I'd write this same chord symbol Fm(9). No one EVER questioned it and no one EVER played Fm9 by mistake. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
on 9/9/04 6:05 AM, George Ports at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to get a crescendo or (and) a decrescendo from the expression tool on a page that has some text but, the staffs have been removed? This page was created from Windows Finale 2003a. It's a page that has some text and I need to put in the above with it. How about using the Text Tool. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either! ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
Is there a font to use in the Text Tool for Crescendo? How can I get an Expression into the Text Box? George - Original Message - From: JD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Expression Tool on 9/9/04 6:05 AM, George Ports at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to get a crescendo or (and) a decrescendo from the expression tool on a page that has some text but, the staffs have been removed? This page was created from Windows Finale 2003a. It's a page that has some text and I need to put in the above with it. How about using the Text Tool. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either! ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] State Songs (was Anthems) (still OT)
Here's a source:
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Re: AW: [Finale] OT: Pitch control in midi
When the synth (internal or external) is tuned remains that way until turned off. So you can make a simple score that tune the synth, play it once at the beginning of the session and after that play your baroque concerti at 430 hz. About finding the tuning for 430 hz you should use the following formula. 1) To tune to frequency F V= Value in cents from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1200 * log (F/440)/log 2 2) found that 0 is approx. G#4 and 127 is approx. A#4 . Therefore the final value will be: DATA ENTRY= 63 + V * 0.63 Ex. For F= 430 hz V= 1200 *log (430/440)/log 2 = -39,8 cents DATA ENTRY = 37,92 = 38 Hope it helps! Dear Javier, Thank you so much, what you wrote really works, even on Fin2k5. So once I've found out which value is for A=430, how do I change pitch in existing scores? Do I need to insert two quarter note rests with the rpn expressions? Again, thank you so much! Regards from Vienna, Mario. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Pitch control in midi
BTW I don´t think this was OT at all... It is totally Finale related. Dear fellow listers, Apologizing if this has been discussed before I'd like to ask whether one can adjust the pitch of a midi file from a=440Hz to say a=430Hz? Is this possible in Finale? Thanks and regards from sunny Vienna, Mario. * Mag. phil. Mario Aschauer Music Director Ensemble NovAntique Linz www.ensemblenovantique.at Durchlaufstraße 14/1/1 1200 Wien +43 - (0)676 - 426 6450 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Jazz chord
jumping in...;-) Fm(9) could be mistaken for Fm79... I would write Fm add9 in this case to make sure As to minsus5no7 I could imagine she meant b6 instead of 5, than no seven would make some sense. Ok, technically it would be Db/F, but since this chord is often used in progressions such as Fm Fm(b6) Fm6 Fm(b6), it might make sense. Yes, James Bond. Just my imagination... To solve the question I would also suggest to ask her what she would play and correct the spelling. Maybe it could help, too, to get the surroundings of the chord - what comes before and after? Is there a melody? cheers Kurt At 16:34 09.09.2004, you wrote: The thought does occur to me- it sort of makes sense if the sus 5 is a 'typo' for sus9. Thus Fmin,sus9,no7 = F Ab C G- but where it goes to or comes from is a mystery! As for sus 5- well-'nuff sed!! While this makes some 'sense', it would be much better served for players to just write Fm add9. I lived and worked in Los Angeles for 24 years and I'd write this same chord symbol Fm(9). No one EVER questioned it and no one EVER played Fm9 by mistake. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Canceling Expressions (was: Stem direction)
I have a couple of questions related to, and one not-so-related to, this: 1. How often does a dynamic/expression need to be restated? I've been telling clients if an instrument rests for two or more measures (i.e. will show a MM rest in the part) to restate the dynamic. Is this good/bad/indifferent? 2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? 3. (unrelated question) In a score, should rit---a tempo markings be in all staves, or should they follow the rule for other tempo markings/rehearsal markings? (I know they need to be in all the parts) Thanks, list. Allen On 9/8/04 1:12 PM, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moral for composers: all expressions should be explicitly cancelled or overruled when no longer applicable. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: AW: [Finale] OT: Pitch control in midi
On 09.09.2004 17:42 Uhr, Javier Ruiz wrote When the synth (internal or external) is tuned remains that way until turned off. So you can make a simple score that tune the synth, play it once at the beginning of the session and after that play your baroque concerti at 430 hz. About finding the tuning for 430 hz you should use the following formula. This is really interesting, I would very much like to use this too. If anyone has any ready-made expressions which work, expecially for 415Hz, 421Hz and 430Hz I would be really thankful if you shared them with us. (BTW, 430Hz is mostly used for Viennese Classical music ie Haydn, Mozart Beethoven, Schubert and contemporaries. For baroque 415Hz is the most widely used these days, which is about a semitone below 440. The truth is that in the 18th century there were many different pitches used in different areas, both low and high one, some much higher than 440, especially with organs. Especially in French-influenced court music the pitch was sometimes as low as a whole tone under 440 which is around 392 Hz.) Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Canceling Expressions (was: Stem direction)
On Sep 9, 2004, at 9:42 AM, Allen Fisher wrote: I have a couple of questions related to, and one not-so-related to, this: 1. How often does a dynamic/expression need to be restated? I've been telling clients if an instrument rests for two or more measures (i.e. will show a MM rest in the part) to restate the dynamic. Is this good/bad/indifferent? Hi Allen, I do this (restate dynamics) pretty consistently after MM rests, though not necessarily if it's just been two or three measures and the continuity of the phrase is obvious (or I think it should be obvious). 2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? I think so, unless it's a rit to the end. When I was learning to write for the National Jazz Ensemble in NY, and Bill Rowen was our main copyist, he also encouraged me to put beginning and ending dynamics on all hairpins. This may be fussy, but it is certainly clear. 3. (unrelated question) In a score, should rit---a tempo markings be in all staves, or should they follow the rule for other tempo markings/rehearsal markings? (I know they need to be in all the parts) I think scores look terribly cluttered with these markings on all staves, so I follow the usual rule, but I also think that the standard practice of using lower case and relatively small italic text draws insufficient attention to these essential markings. However, I adhere to the standard practice for this. I look forward to hearing other points of view on this. Chuck Thanks, list. Allen On 9/8/04 1:12 PM, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Moral for composers: all expressions should be explicitly cancelled or overruled when no longer applicable. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Canceling Expressions (was: Stem direction)
Allen Fisher wrote: I have a couple of questions related to, and one not-so-related to, this: 1. How often does a dynamic/expression need to be restated? I've been telling clients if an instrument rests for two or more measures (i.e. will show a MM rest in the part) to restate the dynamic. Is this good/bad/indifferent? I guess I'd say good...I can't imagine a context where it would be confusing or contradictory, but I can see several on my desk right now where it's essential. 2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? Excepting a rit at the end of a piece, for example, I again can't see why not. Then again, q=xx seems to me only appropriate for a definite new section, and obviously a tempo isn't always right. Somewhat slower and the ilk would be ambiguous if they follow a slow-up. I'll think about this a little more ;) ... ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2004c crash on exit?
I just installed FinMac2005 this morning, and now FinMac2004c crashes on exit - The application Finale 2004c has unexpectedly quit - whether I quit through the File menu, hit cmd-Q, or ctrl-click the Dock icon and choose Quit. I'm running OS X 10.2.8. Has anyone else encountered anything similar? It doesn't seem to be affecting program operation; I just don't like encountering an error message when there appears to be no error. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: AW: [Finale] OT: Pitch control in midi
Hola Johannes, 415hz is 1 cent below G#, so my recommendation is to add a non-printing expression that transpose the music that amount. That way the sound will be better. I did and Excel file to calculate: INPUT Center value for DATA ENTRY (63 or 64) 63 Reference value in Hertz (usually 440) 440 Hertz Needed value in Hertz (ex. 430 hz) 440 Hertz Cents above/below reference pitch 0 cents OUTPUT Transpose value to be inserted as an expression 0 semitones Data entry value for fine tuning 63 INPUT Center value for DATA ENTRY (63 or 64) 63 Reference value in Hertz (usually 440) 440 Hertz Needed value in Hertz (ex. 430 hz) 430 Hertz Cents above/below reference pitch -40 cents OUTPUT Transpose value to be inserted as an expression 0 semitones Data entry value for fine tuning 38 INPUT Center value for DATA ENTRY (63 or 64) 63 Reference value in Hertz (usually 440) 440 Hertz Needed value in Hertz (ex. 430 hz) 421 Hertz Cents above/below reference pitch -76 cents OUTPUT Transpose value to be inserted as an expression 0 semitones Data entry value for fine tuning 15 INPUT Center value for DATA ENTRY (63 or 64) 63 Reference value in Hertz (usually 440) 440 Hertz Needed value in Hertz (ex. 430 hz) 415 Hertz Cents above/below reference pitch -101 cents OUTPUT Transpose value to be inserted as an expression -1 semitones Data entry value for fine tuning 62 INPUT Center value for DATA ENTRY (63 or 64) 63 Reference value in Hertz (usually 440) 440 Hertz Needed value in Hertz (ex. 430 hz) 442 Hertz Cents above/below reference pitch 8 cents OUTPUT Transpose value to be inserted as an expression 0 semitones Data entry value for fine tuning 68 Send me a request if you need a Finale 2004 file with the expressions ready. Javier Ruiz. This is really interesting, I would very much like to use this too. If anyone has any ready-made expressions which work, expecially for 415Hz, 421Hz and 430Hz I would be really thankful if you shared them with us. (BTW, 430Hz is mostly used for Viennese Classical music ie Haydn, Mozart Beethoven, Schubert and contemporaries. For baroque 415Hz is the most widely used these days, which is about a semitone below 440. The truth is that in the 18th century there were many different pitches used in different areas, both low and high one, some much higher than 440, especially with organs. Especially in French-influenced court music the pitch was sometimes as low as a whole tone under 440 which is around 392 Hz.) Johannes ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
Lee Actor wrote: I have a couple of questions related to, and one not-so-related to, this: 1. How often does a dynamic/expression need to be restated? I've been telling clients if an instrument rests for two or more measures (i.e. will show a MM rest in the part) to restate the dynamic. Is this good/bad/indifferent? My personal rule is that an intervening rest of at least one whole measure requires restatement of dynamics. Why leave any possibility of ambiguity? 2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? Yes. What would you place when it's not 'a tempo', but you don't want the specificity of q=xx? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? Yes. What would you place when it's not 'a tempo', but you don't want the specificity of q=xx? How about Allegro? Adagio? Moderato? Poco meno mosso? Whatever fits. -Lee ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] State Songs (was Anthems) (still OT)
Alaska's Flag Oh, yes! That's the one we all walk around whistling all the time! I hadn't heard it before. The midi file shows it to be ok, a fine, upstanding, decent enough tune, but I can't say it's anything to write home about. The words: ditto. The John Denver tune is a nice one, and it does mention WVa ( a beautiful state) - and I think the song does work in a third chord somewhere, eventually, doesn't it? Seriously folks, there is one, and only one, contender for greatest state song. I am not biased, because it is no longer my state (I live in Indiana, which has one of the second-tier songs). This song has a troubled past, racially speaking. It is not a perfect song, but few classics are. The lyrics were officially updated in 1986 by the state legislature (http://www.50states.com/songs/ has them a bit wrong, as do many sites, I found when I was recently commissioned to do an arrangement. You can see the original, and the official lyric, as mandated by House Resolution 159 at http://www.shgresources.com/ky/symbols/song/ ) The lyrics are wistful, even a bit sad - not the flag waving stuff that says nothing that take the place of lyrics in many state songs. This melody is rich with harmonic possibilities (you should hear my recent chart - the harmonies for this small group are so good I want to do a chart with the same changes for the Louisville Orchestra, even though they haven't asked me for one, just so I can hear it more often, he says modestly). The one and only greatest state song is, and will always be, Stephen Foster's My Old Kentucky Home, Good Night. The debate is ended. RBH P.S. My oldest sister, when she took a government job and moved to Maryland, had to deal with the shame of, as she put it: At the Derby they play My Old Kentucky Home. At the Preakness they play O Christmas Tree! Andrew Stiller wrote: On Sep 8, 2004, at 3:23 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: The state I grew up in, Alaska, is blessed with a gorgeous state song (Alaska's Flag), both in text and in music. Perhaps I'm biased, but I think it's got the best music of any state song Better than Country Roads (WV)? Hard to believe! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? Yes. What would you place when it's not 'a tempo', but you don't want the specificity of q=xx? How about Allegro? Adagio? Moderato? Poco meno mosso? Whatever fits. None are a marking that solely indicates a tempo. They indicate character, mood, etc. Plus, if the composer uses English for all indication, what would you recommend? If you want to indicate a tempo, use a metronome marking. If you want to use English, by all means use English. What's the problem? -Lee ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004c crash on exit?
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:56:12 -0700, JD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/9/04 10:26 AM, Brad Beyenhof at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed FinMac2005 this morning, and now FinMac2004c crashes on exit - The application Finale 2004c has unexpectedly quit - whether I quit through the File menu, hit cmd-Q, or ctrl-click the Dock icon and choose Quit. I'm running OS X 10.2.8. Has anyone else encountered anything similar? It doesn't seem to be affecting program operation; I just don't like encountering an error message when there appears to be no error. I encountered this same problem with FinMac2K2 last year. It turned out to be a plugin which I simply reinstalled and the problem disappeared. I think it was either TGTools or Patterson's set. But that was OS9 so YMMV. I remember that problem - IIRC, I ran into it myself. However, even with a completely empty Plug-ins folder, 2004c crashes on its way out. I'm thinking that it may have something to do with my OS version, but I can't think of how to test that. Is anybody else running 10.2.8, and just installed 2005 next to an existing 2004c? -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
Couldn't find a font for a crescendo or decrescendo in the Maestro fonts and wondered if there are any common fonts that might have what I need. George - Original Message - From: JD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Expression Tool on 9/9/04 7:44 AM, George Ports at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a font to use in the Text Tool for Crescendo? How can I get an Expression into the Text Box? With the Text Tool you can use any font of your choosing. So I'm not sure I understand your question. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** How come abbreviated is such a long word? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] State Songs (was Anthems) (still OT)
On Sep 9, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Alaska's Flag Oh, yes! That's the one we all walk around whistling all the time! I don't consider whistleability the standard. If that were the case Maryland, my Christmas Tree, would beat both yours and mine. Seriously folks, there is one, and only one, contender for greatest state song. I am not biased, because it is no longer my state (I live in Indiana, which has one of the second-tier songs). I haven't lived in Alaska in 15 years, so by your logic I'm not biased either. More likely, we both are. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
Yesthat is correct concerning attaching the hairpin shape to a page in Finale 2003a that doesn't have any music or note to attach it to. George - Original Message - From: Mark D Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Expression Tool On Sep 9, 2004, at 10:51 AM, JD wrote: With the Text Tool you can use any font of your choosing. So I'm not sure I understand your question. I assume he's trying to draw the hairpin shape. You know, the one that looks sort of like or . So the question is how to access the shape expression without having any music to attach it to. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Canceling Expressions (was: Stem direction)
I have a couple of questions related to, and one not-so-related to, this: 1. How often does a dynamic/expression need to be restated? I've been telling clients if an instrument rests for two or more measures (i.e. will show a MM rest in the part) to restate the dynamic. Is this good/bad/indifferent? 2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? The general wisdom on all this has been admirably put forth by others. To my bemusement I find that I am somewhat more easygoing on the first item than others have been. My rule is that if the dynamic level of the ensemble remains unchanged, no individual's dynamic need be restated no matter how long a rest intervenes. For example, if I have a passage marked p and then a 45-measure rest during which the rest of the orchestra continues to play p, then I'd have to be a total dunce not to know that my first entry after that rest should also be p. On the other hand, if the dynamic context changes (the rest of the orch. gets louder or softer, but you don't), then cautionary dynamic restatements along the lines of (p sempre) should be given even if there is no rest. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
George Ports wrote: Is there a font to use in the Text Tool for Crescendo? Well, actually, it happens that there is a text tool [font[ for crescendo and for other smart shapes; the bad news is that it is not neither a True type, or a postscript font. However, as useful as I would find it, and despite the fact that I've requested it as an added feature for a couple of releases now, I don't think it's possible to attach a smart shape to a non staff item. I think the best way I can think of to achieve what you're looking to do is to copy the text into a new document, create a staff in that document, make the crescendo or decrescendo mark you want in the copy, draw a selection box around the item, export the selection as a graphic, and place the exported graphic into your original document. Then, just perhaps, I might persuade you to send a feature request to the development team to add a feature to smart shapes that they coud be attached to non-musical items. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
They are updated, and there are a number of useful things in this package. The chord fonts are the best I've found, and the soft slashes, one, two and four measure repeats, and the rhythmic notation that are part of the chord font are also most appealing to me. I am now using them exclusively. The hairpins and smart shapes are also very good. There are also things I find not so useful in the kind of things I do. A lot of Bill's things are designed for saving time at recording sessions and look a little excessive in more normal situations. You can buy the chord fonts alone, and I recommend them highly. Chuck On Sep 9, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Ryan Beard wrote: Bill Duncan has a hairpins font that I use quite frequently. His Finale Productivity package include other nifty fonts that I get lots of use out of. Although I don't know if they've been updated for OS X, I've been using them on 10.2.8 withought any issues. Check his website for more info. http://www.gwmp.com/ Ryan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Shop for Back-to-School deals on Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com/backtoschool ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression Tool
George Ports wrote: Is there a font to use in the Text Tool for Crescendo? There are a few hairpins in the JazzFont that might serve, in varying lengths. I don't like them, as I find them too bold even for me (they look like they were drawn with a Sharpie pen) but you might find them better than exporting a Smartshape hairpin as a graphic, then importing it back in. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] German library fire
Someone at work today mentioned they had read recently that a Germany library containing numerous original music manuscripts had sustained a serious fire. Unfortunately, my source did not recall where that fire was. Would anyone happen to know any more information about this? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] State Songs (was Anthems) (still OT)
Lighten up, Mark! Mark D Lew wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Alaska's Flag Oh, yes! That's the one we all walk around whistling all the time! I don't consider whistleability the standard. If that were the case Maryland, my Christmas Tree, would beat both yours and mine. Seriously folks, there is one, and only one, contender for greatest state song. I am not biased, because it is no longer my state (I live in Indiana, which has one of the second-tier songs). I haven't lived in Alaska in 15 years, so by your logic I'm not biased either. More likely, we both are. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] German library fire
On 9 Sep 2004 at 18:21, Martin Banner wrote: Someone at work today mentioned they had read recently that a Germany library containing numerous original music manuscripts had sustained a serious fire. Unfortunately, my source did not recall where that fire was. Would anyone happen to know any more information about this? See http://www.anna-amalia-bibliothek.de/. The link to the English version is in the upper right. This is truly a huge disaster, though it's unclear exactly how many musical documents were lost. But from the pictures there, it's clear that musical documents were among those that were lost, if not exactly what was lost. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] German library fire
Martin Banner wrote: Someone at work today mentioned they had read recently that a Germany library containing numerous original music manuscripts had sustained a serious fire. Unfortunately, my source did not recall where that fire was. Would anyone happen to know any more information about this? I don't recall the city but I think I read about it at the NYTimes online over the weekend. It was in East Germany, as I recall. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
Lee Actor wrote: 2. Should there be a canceling expression of some sort for tempi, i.e. should a rit---always either be followed with an a tempo or a q=XXX tempo marking? Yes. What would you place when it's not 'a tempo', but you don't want the specificity of q=xx? How about Allegro? Adagio? Moderato? Poco meno mosso? Whatever fits. None are a marking that solely indicates a tempo. They indicate character, mood, etc. Plus, if the composer uses English for all indication, what would you recommend? If you want to indicate a tempo, use a metronome marking. If you want to use English, by all means use English. What's the problem? -Lee OK, more specifically.a composer wants a rit., after which the tempo remains at the new slower rate, but does not want to specifiy a metronome marking (wanting the performer to have a greater degree of freedom), and writes all instructions in English - what should he/she write? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
OK, more specifically.a composer wants a rit., after which the tempo remains at the new slower rate, but does not want to specifiy a metronome marking (wanting the performer to have a greater degree of freedom), and writes all instructions in English - what should he/she write? Given your conditions, how about Slower, or Slower than before? But as a composer, I still think it's much better to specify exactly what you want, i.e., a metronome marking (with or without a descriptive term as well). If a single numerical metronome marking makes you uncomfortable, use a range, like q=100-108. I much prefer a specific metronome marking (both as composer and performer), and the notion that such a marking removes freedom from the performer seems odd to me. The purpose of notation for the composer is to communicate his musical ideas as clearly and unambiguously as possible, and the job of the performer is to understand the composer's intentions and to produce a musical and compelling performance within that context. There's always a lot of room for interpretive freedom, but that shouldn't include willfully disregarding the composer's properly understood intentions. My 2 cents. -Lee ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
On 9 Sep 2004 at 16:21, Lee Actor wrote: OK, more specifically.a composer wants a rit., after which the tempo remains at the new slower rate, but does not want to specifiy a metronome marking (wanting the performer to have a greater degree of freedom), and writes all instructions in English - what should he/she write? Given your conditions, how about Slower, or Slower than before? But as a composer, I still think it's much better to specify exactly what you want, i.e., a metronome marking (with or without a descriptive term as well). If a single numerical metronome marking makes you uncomfortable, use a range, like q=100-108. I much prefer a specific metronome marking (both as composer and performer), and the notion that such a marking removes freedom from the performer seems odd to me. The purpose of notation for the composer is to communicate his musical ideas as clearly and unambiguously as possible, and the job of the performer is to understand the composer's intentions and to produce a musical and compelling performance within that context. There's always a lot of room for interpretive freedom, but that shouldn't include willfully disregarding the composer's properly understood intentions. My 2 cents. What if the composer conceives of the piece as having a range of possibilities that would all be appropriate? A single metronome marking (or a range) is too specific. I compose and I generally find I don't *want* to put metronome markings on my pieces, even though I have a conception myself of the appropriate range of tempos. I trust performers to make good decisions that are consistent with each other. Those might be different in any particular case from the specific tempos I might choose were I performing it myself. For the situation described, it sounds like a decellerando to a slower tempo. I wouldn't user ritard in that case, as that implies a different kind of context. I've struggled with this kind of thing in some compositions, where I needed more than one a tempo for after a ritard. I have resorted to Tempo I and Tempo II, each indicated in the original context, e.g., Allegro (Tempo I) and then poco meno mosso (Tempo II) then when there's a ritard, it can be cancelled with Tempo I or Tempo II. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Canceling Expressions
David W. Fenton wrote: On 9 Sep 2004 at 16:21, Lee Actor wrote: OK, more specifically.a composer wants a rit., after which the tempo remains at the new slower rate, but does not want to specifiy a metronome marking (wanting the performer to have a greater degree of freedom), and writes all instructions in English - what should he/she write? Given your conditions, how about Slower, or Slower than before? But as a composer, I still think it's much better to specify exactly what you want, i.e., a metronome marking (with or without a descriptive term as well). If a single numerical metronome marking makes you uncomfortable, use a range, like q=100-108. I much prefer a specific metronome marking (both as composer and performer), and the notion that such a marking removes freedom from the performer seems odd to me. The purpose of notation for the composer is to communicate his musical ideas as clearly and unambiguously as possible, and the job of the performer is to understand the composer's intentions and to produce a musical and compelling performance within that context. There's always a lot of room for interpretive freedom, but that shouldn't include willfully disregarding the composer's properly understood intentions. My 2 cents. What if the composer conceives of the piece as having a range of possibilities that would all be appropriate? A single metronome marking (or a range) is too specific. I compose and I generally find I don't *want* to put metronome markings on my pieces, even though I have a conception myself of the appropriate range of tempos. I trust performers to make good decisions that are consistent with each other. Those might be different in any particular case from the specific tempos I might choose were I performing it myself. For the situation described, it sounds like a decellerando to a slower tempo. I wouldn't user ritard in that case, as that implies a different kind of context. Good point. I always forget that they're not necessarily synonymous. (Then again, maybe that demonstrates a problem with the suggestion ;) ) I've struggled with this kind of thing in some compositions, where I needed more than one a tempo for after a ritard. I have resorted to Tempo I and Tempo II, each indicated in the original context, e.g., Allegro (Tempo I) and then poco meno mosso (Tempo II) then when there's a ritard, it can be cancelled with Tempo I or Tempo II. You're not alone. There's an a tempo (might be tempo primo, actually) in the last mvt of Tchaikovsky V, which can be interpreted as either faster OR slower than the preceding passage. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] State Songs (was Anthems) (still OT)
The O Christmas Tree tune is not the original tune for the Maryland state song. For a short time they had the same words, but a different tune. Sorry, I don't remember the tune. But a couple of years ago we went to a concert by the Gay Men's Chorus of Maryland, and they sang the state song to the original tune. It was odd to hear the familiar words to a different tune! Leti -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Finale] State Songs (was Anthems) (still OT) Maryland's state song (Maryland, My Maryland) has the same tune as O Christmas Tree. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Lyrics
Seeing as how my newest work is a work for chorus, is there any way to import lyrics from another program (like Word or Notepad)? I've got a somewhat lengthy text and I'd rather not have to re-type the darn thing if I can help it. *howls* Taris --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics
On Sep 9, 2004, at 8:32 PM, Taris L Flashpaw wrote: Seeing as how my newest work is a work for chorus, is there any way to import lyrics from another program (like Word or Notepad)? I've got a somewhat lengthy text and I'd rather not have to re-type the darn thing if I can help it. Oo, oo, oo! I know this one! Copy the lyrics from the other program using (PC) control-C or (Mac) Command-C, then in Finale open the Edit Lyrics window from the Lyrics menu and paste using (PC) control-V or (Mac) Command-V. Tah dah! Now all you have to do is hyphenate them all correctly, which I suggest doing BEFORE attaching them to the notes with Click Assignment... Some users have suggested using Verse 1 for Soprano, copying them to Verse 2 for Alto, etc., so that you can safely edit lyrics differently for each voice. I heartily recommend this. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Shape Expressions
I have design a shape in Illustrator and I have export in .wmf I have import in Finale with shape Designer from Shape Expressions. I have attached the new shape to a note. But in Finale the new shape is hidden, if i set zoom to 150% it's possible to see but is not a rule. A handler is attach near note, but shape or is or is not (mister). (the screen is refresh, update but ...) Would surely appreciate any help. 866Mhz, 512 RAM, WinXP, Finale 2003-2005 In Finale Shape Designer it's difficult to make a special symbol, it is a minus for Finale. (to view the symbol visit: http://www2.cnet.ro/SVP-AMD/cluster.gif) thanks, Dragos. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Lyrics
Taris L Flashpaw wrote: Seeing as how my newest work is a work for chorus, is there any way to import lyrics from another program (like Word or Notepad)? I've got a somewhat lengthy text and I'd rather not have to re-type the darn thing if I can help it. Taris, as someone who has worked with lyrics, the answer is, yes, you can type your lyrics in word or notepad (though personally, I'd recommend Notepad), select them all, copy them, and paste them into the edit lyrics window, and click assign them into a Finale document. Personally, I've always found it more expedient to retype them in, unless there is an exactly one and only one syllable on each and every note in the layer to which you're attaching lyrics. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Jazz Chord
Crystal Premo wrote: I will pass the wisdom along gently and see if it helps to enlighten the client. if gently doesn't work, I've got this really big hammer that you could use to drive the message home ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Jazz Chord
Pummel her with an Abm9/sus4/+11! Guy Hayden, Minister of Music St. Stephen's Episcopal Church 372 Hiden Boulevard Newport News, Virginia 23606 - Original Message - From: Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Jazz Chord Crystal Premo wrote: I will pass the wisdom along gently and see if it helps to enlighten the client. if gently doesn't work, I've got this really big hammer that you could use to drive the message home ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] A lyric thing
Taris: Seeing as how my newest work is a work for chorus, is there any way to import lyrics from another program (like Word or Notepad)? I've got a somewhat lengthy text and I'd rather not have to re-type the darn thing if I can help it. Noel: Some users have suggested using Verse 1 for Soprano, copying them to Verse 2 for Alto, etc., so that you can safely edit lyrics differently for each voice. I heartily recommend this. I do this regularly, especially if the lyrics are to be entered in two languages where the number of syllables in the original language are guaranteed to not match the number of syllables in the other language. I do stuff with German original, English translation. For SATB, original language is Verses 1, 3, 5, 7; translation 2, 4, 6, 8. Works for me. Ken Fowler ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
