Re: [Finale] More than 64 channels [was: Re: Finale Digest, Vol 17, Issue 6]

[Randolph Peters]

At 4:19 AM -0500 12/7/04, dhbailey wrote:
Have you considered saving your finale file as a midi file and doing 
the channel work in a sequencer?  Sonar is certainly capable of 
handling all the channels you want.

Mackie has just released for free (you have to register but that 
costs nothing) their DAW called Traktion, which looks like it can 
handle as many midi ports as you care to define.

But I would certainly join you in requesting that Finale increase 
their channel capacity to 128.

As a matter of fact, I'll send a feature request to them right now!
Thanks for sending in a request. MakeMusic has told us that the 
numbers of requests for certain features DOES make a difference as to 
what they work on.

I do transfer important files that need a lot of tweaking to a 
sequencer program such as Digital Performer or Logic (Mac). The 
transition is not completely smooth and does require a bunch of 
editing just to get the same playback as Finale. From there you have 
more work to add the extra channels and make sure they play properly.

All of this makes sense if you have a completed piece and want to get 
the best playback that you can. Many of us, especially the composers, 
want to be able to do that work within Finale. We want to hear things 
as we go along, not continually go back and forth exporting and 
importing between different programs.

Actually, when I think about it, that is exactly what we would do if 
Finale wasn't so close to being able to do it all. That's the 
frustrating part. Finale can almost do it and we feel that the added 
capacity wouldn't be that hard to implement from a programming point 
of view.

-Randolph Peters
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RE: [Finale] software

[James Bailey]

>From my understanding (after having read the .eps specification) postscript 
>pictures require all image data to be ASCII. TIFF is a binary (picture) 
>format, and .eps can accomodate ASCII-encoded images.  I use Quark for graphic 
>design and it renders them properly, however, if the final output is to be 
>assembled on a postscript printer, i.e., images, fonts, and postscript page 
>data  are uploaded to the printer, the printer will need .eps images. If 
>however, completed files (i.e., .pdf) files are sent to the printer, it will 
>accomodate either .eps or .tif images, with either ASCII encoding or binary 
>encoding. 



-- Original Message --
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:33:18 -0500

>At 07:03 PM 12/7/04 +0100, d. collins wrote:
>>I've always 
>>been asked for EPS graphic files.
>
>I've never been. All the books and manuals I have designed were sent to the
>printer as PDF files, using embedded TIFFs for all illustrations, diagrams,
>maps and photos. They were going into rasterizers anyway. (Admittedly,
>these were all final documents, and no resizing was going to be needed.)
>
>(the other) Dennis
>
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Re: [Finale] How do I do this?

[Christopher Smith]

On Tuesday, December 7, 2004, at 03:24  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can somebody tell me the quick and easy way to notate N.C. (no chord) 
in the chord symbols on a lead sheet?

I keep getting a message that Finale does not recognize the "C" 
suffix.  I don't know what to do.

If you are using Type Into Score, and you already have a suffix created 
that is just NC, then this is what you do:

Click on the note, type colon zero :0, and when the suffix selection 
box pops up you select the NC suffix, hit OK, and you're done.

If you remember the suffix number (like slot number 83 or something) 
type :83 instead of :0 and when you hit spacebar to move to the next 
chord, the :83 will be replaced by the NC suffix.

To create the NC suffix, you have to select Manual Input from the menu, 
click on the note, click Advanced, select Edit suffix, hit Create, then 
create it. Whew.

Christopher

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RE: [Finale] How do I do this?

[Crystal Premo]

Make a measure attached expression.
Crystal Premo
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Subject: [Finale] How do I do this?
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:24:41 -0500
Can somebody tell me the quick and easy way to notate N.C. (no chord) in 
the chord symbols on a lead sheet?

I keep getting a message that Finale does not recognize the "C" suffix.  I 
don't know what to do.

Guy Hayden, Minister of Music
St. Stephen's Episcopal Church
372 Hiden Boulevard
Newport News, Virginia 23606

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Re: [Finale] How do I do this?

[dhbailey]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can somebody tell me the quick and easy way to notate N.C. (no chord) in 
the chord symbols on a lead sheet?

I keep getting a message that Finale does not recognize the "C" suffix.  
I don't know what to do.

Enter it as an expression?
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Re: [Finale] Ran out of channels

[dhbailey]

Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok, I'm a complete tyro at playback issues. I'm working with a rather 
large score (29 staves of wind ensemble music).  I would like to get all 
of the parts to play back, but I ran out of channels in the instrument 
list at 16.  Is there any way, without using two or more instruments per 
staff (layers), to get more than 16 channels to play back?  I'm running 
an iMac, FinMac04 ...OSX.3.

you need to have more than one midi device attached, or you need to 
combine what you have or use a softsynth that can handle more than 16 
channels.

With the included softsynth that Finale ships with you can use channels 
1-16 from that and then assign channels 17-32 to an external midi 
device.  I think I read in another post that the Mac version limits the 
number of midi devices to 4.  The windows version allows 8 but you can't 
use 128 channels, only 64.  I guess windows users could use 8 different 
devices but only a few channels from some, for a broader mix of sounds 
but no more functionality than the Mac's 4 midi devices.

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[Finale] How do I do this?

[dumusic]

Can somebody tell me the quick and easy way to notate N.C. (no chord) in the 
chord symbols on a lead sheet?

I keep getting a message that Finale does not recognize the "C" suffix.  I 
don't know what to do.

Guy Hayden, Minister of Music
St. Stephen's Episcopal Church
372 Hiden Boulevard
Newport News, Virginia 23606 


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[Finale] Ran out of channels

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Ok, I'm a complete tyro at playback issues. I'm working with a rather 
large score (29 staves of wind ensemble music).  I would like to get 
all of the parts to play back, but I ran out of channels in the 
instrument list at 16.  Is there any way, without using two or more 
instruments per staff (layers), to get more than 16 channels to play 
back?  I'm running an iMac, FinMac04 ...OSX.3.

Thanks,
Dean

Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios.
Per me, la musica è l'alito della vita e di Dio
Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu.
Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes.
Dean M. Estabrook
Director of Music
St. Andrew Presbyterian Church
Yuba City, CA 

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Re: [Finale] Instrument balance on playback

[Jari Williamsson]

Peter Taylor wrote:
My 2003 works fine in this respect too, so it seems likely that Human Playback
in 2004 is the culprit.  It is probably sending commands to MIDI controllers to
achieve its effects, which is wiping out any data you try to send.  If this is
true then you have a straight choice between using HP or sending commands to the
controllers manually - I can't see any way round it.
HP is basically wiping out all user MIDI data using the default 
configuration. If you select the MIDI Tool while HP is ON for a file you 
should get a warning message about this (unless you have checked "Don't 
show this again").

HP in Fin2005 is a bit more flexible regarding MIDI controllers, since 
you can filter out some MIDI handling in the HP Prefs. And there's also 
ApplyHP.

Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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Re: [Finale] Double stop bracket articulation

[Harold Owen]

Brad,
Most of the time spacing hasn't been a problem, but when I've needed 
space, I just use the Beat Chart spacing to get what I want. I use 
the Beat Chart as a default so it's always there if I need it.

Hal
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:34:21 -0800, Harold Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Brad Beyenhof writes:
 >I can't find it in the archive, but I remember somebody describing a
 >system they'd devised to add vertical brackets to double-stopped notes
 >with the Articulation tool.
 The way I've done it is with the Smart Shape Tool. Here's how:
[snip]
 This is a handy shape to have because it's useful for piano music
 when notes on two staves are to be played by one hand, and there are
 many similar uses. It's a good idea to save it in a library.
Hal:
Thanks... for some reason I forgot about the ability of Smart Shapes
to be anything other than horizontal. However, I can't seem to find a
way to make music spacing take these shapes into account. Do you
usually just manually space music to make room for them, or have you
found a way to get Finale to recognize the space they take up?
Also, I was reminded about Bill Duncan's Brackets font, which would
make it easy to add articulations that can be automatically positioned
and automatically spaced. I don't have this, but I also don't usually
have much call for these types of brackets. Considering the fact that
I hardly ever use chords (which, as I understand, is the major benefit
of Bill's productivity package), do those that have his collection
find a lot of use for it?
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Re: [Finale] Double stop bracket articulation

[Brad Beyenhof]

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:50:59 -0500, Christopher Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Brad Beyenhof writes:
> >
> >> I can't find it in the archive, but I remember somebody describing a
> >> system they'd devised to add vertical brackets to double-stopped notes
> >> with the Articulation tool.
> >>
> >> Would whoever that was remind me about that system? I don't recall if
> >> a custom library was offered, but if anybody has one they're willing
> >> to share I'd appreciate that as well.
> 
> It was Aaron Sherber who graciously supplied a Finale file that you
> could save a library from. The Url he gave was
[snip]

Thanks, Christopher (and, of course, Aaron)! It works great.

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Re: [Finale] Instrument balance on playback

[Peter Taylor]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I can't make my WinFin 2004 playback obey
> controllers 7 and 11 (one of them is essential for dynamics on a
> sustained note), nor PAN, which I like to use to separate the
> instruments.  2004 has some nice features when they work, but seems a
> lot flakier than 2000.

Hello Ken & Darcy

My 2003 works fine in this respect too, so it seems likely that Human Playback
in 2004 is the culprit.  It is probably sending commands to MIDI controllers to
achieve its effects, which is wiping out any data you try to send.  If this is
true then you have a straight choice between using HP or sending commands to the
controllers manually - I can't see any way round it.

I can check this for you if you like.  If you have a short MUS file you could
Save As in Finale as a .MID (Format 1) file and mail to me, I can take a look at
the MIDI commands (what Finale calls "Continuous Data").  It is possibly using
only one of cc 7 or 11, which would leave the other free for you to use.

Peter


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RE: [Finale] software

[Harold Owen]

Regarding EPS and Word:
Jim Mays écrit:
Sheesh! Don’t be too greedy. With Word and 
Finale you have two high end programs that each 
work on Mac and Windows. It’s not very 
difficult to do the music bits in Finale and 
import them into Word. If you aren’t too 
particular about layout, you might be able to 
do everything in Finale.

It’s not that difficult to do. I am sure others 
will chime in with helpful suggestions.
That would be fine, if EPS export worked in 
Finale, which is not the case. It's been broken 
for five years now, and there is no hope of 
seeing it fixed in the near future. If you want 
to do a "professional" job, TIFF graphics won't 
do, so there's no easy way to get decent 
graphics out of Finale and into Word. Unless you 
use a Mac. Or Sibelius instead of Finale.

Hi folks.
Just to reiterate what Dennis is saying, EPS 
works fine in 2005 on Mac with Word. The screen 
graphics are not so good, but the print-out is 
fine. PDFs made from the completed Word files are 
also good on Mac - even the screen graphics are 
not bad when you read the PDF in Preview. My 
Finale tutorial files were made this way.

For tests, lesson plans, exercises and the like, 
I use Finale for both text and music. It isn't 
difficult to do and looks great.

Hal
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Re: [Finale] Double stop bracket articulation

[Brad Beyenhof]

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:34:21 -0800, Harold Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brad Beyenhof writes:
> 
> >I can't find it in the archive, but I remember somebody describing a
> >system they'd devised to add vertical brackets to double-stopped notes
> >with the Articulation tool.
> 
> The way I've done it is with the Smart Shape Tool. Here's how:

[snip]

> This is a handy shape to have because it's useful for piano music
> when notes on two staves are to be played by one hand, and there are
> many similar uses. It's a good idea to save it in a library.

Hal:

Thanks... for some reason I forgot about the ability of Smart Shapes
to be anything other than horizontal. However, I can't seem to find a
way to make music spacing take these shapes into account. Do you
usually just manually space music to make room for them, or have you
found a way to get Finale to recognize the space they take up?

Also, I was reminded about Bill Duncan's Brackets font, which would
make it easy to add articulations that can be automatically positioned
and automatically spaced. I don't have this, but I also don't usually
have much call for these types of brackets. Considering the fact that
I hardly ever use chords (which, as I understand, is the major benefit
of Bill's productivity package), do those that have his collection
find a lot of use for it?

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Re: [Finale] Double stop bracket articulation

[Christopher Smith]

Brad Beyenhof writes:
I can't find it in the archive, but I remember somebody describing a
system they'd devised to add vertical brackets to double-stopped notes
with the Articulation tool.
Would whoever that was remind me about that system? I don't recall if
a custom library was offered, but if anybody has one they're willing
to share I'd appreciate that as well.

Brad,
It was Aaron Sherber who graciously supplied a Finale file that you 
could save a library from. The Url he gave was


http://files.aaron.sherber.com/brackets.zip
It now contains a WinFin2004 file with the articulation library loaded, 
as well as the library itself.

Hope this works for you.
Aaron.
and I had no problems with it. I haven't checked to see if the URL is 
still valid. I could let you have my Fin 2005 file with the library 
loaded, if Aaron has no objections.

Christopher
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[Finale] Finale dual processors

[John Hinchey]

Hi all,
I asked tech support this question before I upgraded to FIN MAC 2005.  
I was told there were no
functions that took advantage of dual processor Macs.

Now if you are using Digital Performer and some other music sequencing 
and recording software, that is a different story.  The Dual is 
definitely the way to go.  More, tracks, faster and you can use more 
plugs for instruments and effects.

Best regards,
John Hinchey
Hinchey Music Services Inc.
617 Dutchmans Dr.
Hermitage, TN 37076
Phone: 615-874-1220
Cell: 615-397-3675


Is there a significant (or indeed any) advantage as far as Finale is
concerned in dual as opposed to single processor G5 Macs?
John

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RE: [Finale] software

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

At 07:03 PM 12/7/04 +0100, d. collins wrote:
>I've always 
>been asked for EPS graphic files.

I've never been. All the books and manuals I have designed were sent to the
printer as PDF files, using embedded TIFFs for all illustrations, diagrams,
maps and photos. They were going into rasterizers anyway. (Admittedly,
these were all final documents, and no resizing was going to be needed.)

(the other) Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Double stop bracket articulation

[Harold Owen]

Brad Beyenhof writes:
I can't find it in the archive, but I remember somebody describing a
system they'd devised to add vertical brackets to double-stopped notes
with the Articulation tool.
Would whoever that was remind me about that system? I don't recall if
a custom library was offered, but if anybody has one they're willing
to share I'd appreciate that as well.
Dear Brad,
The way I've done it is with the Smart Shape Tool. Here's how:
1) Select the Smart Shape Tool and Option-Click on the question mark tool.
2) In the selection box find the pedal mark with a hook on the left 
and no hook on the right and click Edit.

3) In the dialog box remove the check from "Horizontal."
4) Under Line Adjustment/End/V enter 0.05 in. (or equivalent).
5) Under "End" click "Hook" and enter the same number for the starting hook.
6) Click OK and Select. On the score enter the shape by clicking on 
the upper note of the double-stop and drag down to the lower note. 
You can put it anywhere, move, and adjust it.

This is a handy shape to have because it's useful for piano music 
when notes on two staves are to be played by one hand, and there are 
many similar uses. It's a good idea to save it in a library.

Best regards,
Hal
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Re: [Finale] Instrument balance on playback

[Ken Moore]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
"Peter Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes


>Hello Darcy - it is quite simple to balance instruments in Finale - perhaps not
>as simple as a mixer, but not at all difficult.
>
>You need to understand there are three ways in which the amplitude of a note 
>can
>be manipulated in MIDI.  The most simple to understand is the KEY VELOCITY,
>which represents how hard the note is struck.  This is the method used by the
>Finale dynamic expressions, and is also recorded note by note when recording a
>MIDI performance - eg Hyperscribe.  Just as with a piano (also a harp or guitar
>or tuned percussion etc), once the note has been struck the velocity cannot be
>varied so, as in real life, it is impossible to use Key Velocity to produce a
>cresc or dim on a single note.
>
>Another way to vary amplitude is the EXPRESSION value (MIDI controller No. 11).
>With this the amplitude of a single note can be increased or decreased while it
>sounds, and this is the correct way to produce crescendos or diminuendos in
>MIDI.
>
>The third method is to use the VOLUME value (MIDI controller No 7)   This works
>just like the Expression value, but is properly used to set the "Channel
>Pressure", by which the balance between different instruments is adjusted and 
>is
>unaffected by the Expression values.

That's what I used to do, but I can't make my WinFin 2004 playback obey
controllers 7 and 11 (one of them is essential for dynamics on a
sustained note), nor PAN, which I like to use to separate the
instruments.  2004 has some nice features when they work, but seems a
lot flakier than 2000.

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Re: [Finale] Text Editing Question

[Harold Owen]

Brian Williams writes:
For text I am entering in page view using the Text tool, I would like to be
able to change the font, size and style without having to manually mouse
into menus. In Finale 2003 for MacOS9, this was easily done by typing Cmd-T
when the Text tool was activated which would bring up the Text Edit dialog
(however, when any other tool was activated, Cmd-T would toggle the
visibility of the tool palette.)
Does anyone know how to accomplish this same behavior in Finale 2005a in
MacOS 10.3?
Brian,
Command-Option-T will open the Text Edit box but only while the Text 
Tool is selected. It's not available when another tool is selected.

Hal
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RE: [Finale] software

[Michael O'Connor]

These documents are printed in professional, scholarly journals. There's
nothing "amateur" about my work. I also edit a trade journal and the printer
has never asked me for anything except 300dpi tiffs.

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Michael O'Connor écrit:
>Why aren't tiffs professional enough? I have been exporting tiff pages for
>my own musicological work for a couple of years. They look as professional
>as anything I have seen. I export with 300dpi .tif files, which print as
>clear as the MS Word text.

Precisely. For an "amateur" job done with Word on your own home printer,
TIF is fine. But a "professional" printer will demand EPS, which isn't
limited by a "resolution", like your TIF files.

I do wish I could get away with TIF files, but I haven't yet found a
professional willing to accept them.

Dennis



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Re: [Finale] software

[A-NO-NE Music]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] / 04.12.6 / 8:14PM wrote:

>Can someone offer any suggestions for software that lets you both format
text 
>(like Microsoft Word) and notate music (like Finale)?  I want to write out 
>lessons for my piano students and be able to let the software do all the 
>formatting -- 


I have been doing this with Aldus PagbeMaker, which became Adobe
PageMaker, which now is Adobe InDesign CS :-)

I can't get anything done with M$Word when it comes to page layout. 
Quark is another standard for DTP, but I never liked how they do things.


-- 

- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[A-NO-NE Music]

dhbailey / 04.12.7 / 5:39AM wrote:

>I now see, there is a tiny sentence which says "compatible with Windows 
>and Mac click for details" but in the easier to read paragraph about it, 
>it ONLY mentions Mac, and there is a Mac icon as well as an editor's 
>choice from MacUser icon, as well as an easy-to-read bit about how it's 
>the Perfect Companion to Apple's GarageBand.  You would think they don't 
>want Windows users to buy it!  It's as if the fact that it works with 
>Windows is an unimportant artifact they're not very proud of.


I don't think that is the issue.
Mac OSX has a core service called CoreMIDI running at Kernel, which makes
it possible to instantiate MIDI object without driver.  I don't think
Windows has this capability so the manufacture needs to write a driver for it.


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RE: [Finale] software

[Michael O'Connor]

Why aren't tiffs professional enough? I have been exporting tiff pages for
my own musicological work for a couple of years. They look as professional
as anything I have seen. I export with 300dpi .tif files, which print as
clear as the MS Word text.

Mike

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Jim Mays écrit:
>Sheesh! Don’t be too greedy. With Word and Finale you have two high end
>programs that each work on Mac and Windows. It’s not very difficult to do
>the music bits in Finale and import them into Word. If you aren’t too
>particular about layout, you might be able to do everything in Finale.
>
>It’s not that difficult to do. I am sure others will chime in with helpful
>suggestions.

That would be fine, if EPS export worked in Finale, which is not the case.
It's been broken for five years now, and there is no hope of seeing it
fixed in the near future. If you want to do a "professional" job, TIFF
graphics won't do, so there's no easy way to get decent graphics out of
Finale and into Word. Unless you use a Mac. Or Sibelius instead of Finale.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[Christopher Smith]

On Tuesday, December 7, 2004, at 12:31  AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Well, the M-Audio model is a great deal, but it has "mini keys" 
(that's a deal-breaker for me) whereas GarageKey actually has 
full-sized keys. Garage-Key also has a stand that lets the computer 
keyboard nest underneath it.

- Darcy

The mini keys are actually an advantage to some who need to enter 
spread voicings in one pass, to later explode into separate parts. Some 
of my students find the mini key keyboard a godsend.

Christopher
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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[Darcy James Argue]

On 07 Dec 2004, at 04:37 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I have a mini-key keyboard (not the M-audio one) and it doesn't make 
it harder to enter music.
It certainly does for me, which is why it's a deal-breaker.
- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[dhbailey]

Lee Actor wrote:

-Original Message-
From: dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote:

It's also not clear to me whether the M-Audio keyboard has 8va and 8vb
buttons...
The M-audio Keystation49, which costs $129.99 has full-sized keys,
octave switches, velocity sensitive keys, pitch-bend and mod wheels.  A
much better instrument, and also available only for Mac it seems.
They used to have an ekeys49 which was like the ekeys37 but it had
full-size keys and seems to have been the windows version of the
Keystation49 but they don't list it among their current products.

The Keystation 49e indeed works with all versions of Windows.  I don't know
what the difference is with the Keystation 49, but it also works with PCs as
well as Macs.
-Lee
Wow, thanks for pointing that out.   It was the Keystation 49e I was 
writing about, I just forgot to include the e.

I now see, there is a tiny sentence which says "compatible with Windows 
and Mac click for details" but in the easier to read paragraph about it, 
it ONLY mentions Mac, and there is a Mac icon as well as an editor's 
choice from MacUser icon, as well as an easy-to-read bit about how it's 
the Perfect Companion to Apple's GarageBand.  You would think they don't 
want Windows users to buy it!  It's as if the fact that it works with 
Windows is an unimportant artifact they're not very proud of.

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RE: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[Lee Actor]

> -Original Message-
> From: dhbailey
>
>
> Darcy James Argue wrote:
>
> > It's also not clear to me whether the M-Audio keyboard has 8va and 8vb
> > buttons...
> >
>
> The M-audio Keystation49, which costs $129.99 has full-sized keys,
> octave switches, velocity sensitive keys, pitch-bend and mod wheels.  A
> much better instrument, and also available only for Mac it seems.
>
> They used to have an ekeys49 which was like the ekeys37 but it had
> full-size keys and seems to have been the windows version of the
> Keystation49 but they don't list it among their current products.
>

The Keystation 49e indeed works with all versions of Windows.  I don't know
what the difference is with the Keystation 49, but it also works with PCs as
well as Macs.

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Text Editing Question

[John Bell]

On Dec 7, 2004, at 04:27, Brian Williams wrote:
Dear Finale List,
For text I am entering in page view using the Text tool, I would like 
to be
able to change the font, size and style without having to manually 
mouse
into menus. In Finale 2003 for MacOS9, this was easily done by typing 
Cmd-T
when the Text tool was activated which would bring up the Text Edit 
dialog
(however, when any other tool was activated, Cmd-T would toggle the
visibility of the tool palette.)

Does anyone know how to accomplish this same behavior in Finale 2005a 
in
MacOS 10.3?
Select the text, then Command-option-T.
John
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Re: [Finale] More than 64 channels [was: Re: Finale Digest, Vol 17, Issue 6]

[Jari Williamsson]

dhbailey wrote:
But I would certainly join you in requesting that Finale increase their 
channel capacity to 128.

As a matter of fact, I'll send a feature request to them right now!
At the same time, Windows users might want to send in a request that the 
SmartSynth playback device should support more than 16 simultaneous 
playback channels. Mac version supports more I've been told (32 or 
something like that), and the Save to WAV feature in Windows also 
support more than 16.

Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[dhbailey]

Darcy James Argue wrote:
It's also not clear to me whether the M-Audio keyboard has 8va and 8vb 
buttons...

The M-audio Keystation49, which costs $129.99 has full-sized keys, 
octave switches, velocity sensitive keys, pitch-bend and mod wheels.  A 
much better instrument, and also available only for Mac it seems.

They used to have an ekeys49 which was like the ekeys37 but it had 
full-size keys and seems to have been the windows version of the 
Keystation49 but they don't list it among their current products.

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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[dhbailey]

Darcy James Argue wrote:
Well, the M-Audio model is a great deal, but it has "mini keys" (that's 
a deal-breaker for me) whereas GarageKey actually has full-sized keys. 
Garage-Key also has a stand that lets the computer keyboard nest 
underneath it.

- Darcy
I have a mini-key keyboard (not the M-audio one) and it doesn't make it 
harder to enter music.  I can't imagine using either of these for 
anything other than single-note entry -- the ergonomics of having it on 
your desk above your computer keyboard certainly won't lend itself to 
great keyboard technique, and neither of them has anything resembling 
real piano action.


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Re: [Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[dhbailey]

Chuck Israels wrote:
Hmn! $60 just to add a little stand (on the macmice one that I 
found) doesn't seem economically sound. I should have waited, or looked 
longer and harder.

Chuck

Not the stand, that came for free, it's that little word Mac which seems 
to add so much to the price of items.  ;-)

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Re: [Finale] More than 64 channels [was: Re: Finale Digest, Vol 17, Issue 6]

[dhbailey]

Randolph Peters wrote:
At 3:29 PM -0500 12/6/04, dhbailey wrote:
But if you don't have a separate staff for each sound, playing 
continuously, why don't you simply change patches?  Or are you using 
multiple modules to achieve the different sounds?  In that case I can 
see how you would have to change channels, to get to a different 
module.  But I would think there must be ways that you can achieve the 
same result with patch changes.  Surely you're not using 9 different 
modules for those violin sounds you list, are you?

I can understand your frustration with the 64-channel limitation but I 
think there are ways you can work around your problem.

On the other hand maybe there aren't.  :-(
David

Hardware samplers and synths are better for patch changes, although 
there are problems with this method, such as the time lag that exists in 
changing patches. (Roland is a big sinner here!)

Software samplers and synths are almost universally geared toward having 
different sounds on different MIDI channels. Most of them ignore patch 
change messages. (GIGA, Reason, Garriton, Kontact, SampleCell, VSampler, 
and a variety other Virtual Instruments work this way.)

The way things are going, we are going to need even more than 128 
channels. I think the Rewire protocol has a lot going for it. I don't 
know what the MIDI channel limitation is with Rewire, which is more 
geared to handling audio, but it seems to add channels as is necessary. 
(See Digital Performer 4 and up as well as Ableton Live 4 for this 
capability.)

Now I understand your problem better and can see where your frustration 
lies.

Have you considered saving your finale file as a midi file and doing the 
channel work in a sequencer?  Sonar is certainly capable of handling all 
the channels you want.

Mackie has just released for free (you have to register but that costs 
nothing) their DAW called Traktion, which looks like it can handle as 
many midi ports as you care to define.

But I would certainly join you in requesting that Finale increase their 
channel capacity to 128.

As a matter of fact, I'll send a feature request to them right now!
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Re: [Finale] software

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Jim Mays wrote:
Sheesh! Don’t be too greedy. With Word and Finale you have two high 
end programs that each work on Mac and Windows. It’s not very 
difficult to do the music bits in Finale and import them into Word...

OK, disclaimers: I am Micro$oftaphobic, and don't do "Word", preferring 
Wordperfect, instead. Here's what I did last time I wanted to do 
something like this:

1) Prepare the text in Wordperfect
2) Prepare the music in Finale, with each "example" on a separate system
3) Figure out where I wanted the music to go, and what size I wanted it 
to be, and created blank spaces in the text using margin settings, and 
line feeds.

4) Set each system to print in its proper space, and size.
5) Printed the Wordperfect document from Wordperfect.
6) Printed the Finale document from Finale.
Yes. I know it's a lot of steps. Yes I know it's time consuming. Yes, I 
know the computer should be able to do all this stuff automatically. 
However, it's proved quite a valuable technique, as I can do almost 
everything i want to do with the page, and in the event I find an error, 
or something that's not an error, but which I want to change, anyway, in 
the music part, I merely have to make the changes and print a new copy, 
without worrying about re-exporting a graphic, and re-importing it into 
a Wordperfect document.

ns
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[Finale] Overhaul of expression dialog box

[Jonathan Smith]

I have, many times.
In fact I hounded Coda since Finale 2.5 to place a larger gap between 
the assignment numbers and the expressions so when you got past the 
100th expression it didn't collide or overlap with the assignment 
number. It finally got implemented in 2004!! So the system does 
work...eventually  ;-)

What I'd like is just to simply be able to resize the box so you could 
see more than a dozen expressions? Something that most apps have on 
board as standard these days.

Jonathan
I know that this has been discussed before, but how many list members
have recently requested that Make Music overhaul the expression dialog
box?
Michael Matthews

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[Finale] New USB midi keyboard

[Jonathan Smith]

Looks great, but there's one tiny thing that for me is a real design 
fault - putting the 8va/8vb buttons on the back where you can't see or 
get at 'em.

I am always using these on my 4 octave Keystation (they are the ONLY 
midi controllers I really use) so doubtless I'd use it even more on a 3 
octave. I love the minimalist approach though, they should have brought 
this out years ago!

Jonathan
For those seeking a simple USB/MIDI keyboard with complete absence of
bells and whistles, and a simple, compact design, this looks to be just
the ticket.

Chuck

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