Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the difference?
Dennis, Thank you so much for this. Wow!! You said so many things in such a way that, though I share many of your opinions and thoughts, I don't have the gift of expression that you do. I'm really touched and quite frankly in awe of your writing abilities! I have an abiding trust in composers. Do I like their all their work? Hell, no. But I take seriously the work of presenting what they do in their own sounds and in their own words. And I have an abiding trust in the listening public. Presented with conviction, composers and their works will be accepted, adopted, and loved. Yes! And I'll add one more. I have an abiding trust in a human being's need to create and express themselves and to share in the common experiences and feelings of others which are so often expressed through the arts. Therefore, I believe the arts will survive in one way or the other. I thought I would share some experiences that I have had that made me smile. And the moments that made me realize it's about reaching another, or having another reach us, or expressing ourselves as we confront our own human condition in an honest way. Or expressing the lightness and joy that life can also bring. It can all be fun and heady and loving and somber and angry... We aren't that different from each other when it comes right down to it...and the arts remind us of that. I believe, if we are in the right place, inspiration, no matter the endeavor, medium or genre, is divinely inspired. ** The day I found my grandfather's record collection after he passed away. I didn't even know he had a record player much less a record collection. My grandfather was a farmer and he owned a filling station (Esso back in those days) on Main street in Radford Virginia. He never had an education beyond the 8th grade. I remember sitting in front of a box filled with records...and what I found inside blew me away...Stravinsky...Art Blakey...a couple of obscure World Music records...several Louis Armstrong records, Elvis, Nashville Goes Pop...and many, many recordings from Broadway shows among others. He listened to so many different things and I had no idea! I was so sad that I had never gotten to talk about music with him. And so thrilled to think that he had this secret yet rich love of music...all sorts of music. I had hit a rough spot while at schooldoubting whether I should be there or not and how in the world was I going to get through...my student loan check hadn't come in yet. I literally had to borrow five dollars to get home on the trains and find something for dinner (Ramen noodlesfive for a dollar at Star Market!) I was waiting for the train and it was just me and a gentleman who was mopping the subway platform. I had these really big glasses (where were the fashion police when I needed them!) and he asked me if I was a teacher. I said no, I was a music student. He started to tear up and said to me "please don't ever stop doing your music, music gets me through my day." He looked over his shoulder at an old radio he had on a bench behind us. I stayed in school. My boyfriend was listening to his usual rock and roll in the car as he was driving with his 90 year old (and very "cultured") grandmother. She didn't really say much. I think she was just tolerating the music. Yet, to her, I guess this was a small price to pay compared to the payoff of spending time with her grandson. But when Led Zeppelin came onshe asked him "who is this?" he said, Led Zeppelin..."oh, I like this" she said. (Apparently, my spell checker is familiar with Led Zeppelin too!~) Led Zeppelin makes this 90 year old "cultured" woman dance every time! My History of Art class was held each week at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. The professor was a curator there and he is one of the best teachers I have ever had. He never made us memorize dates of creation or which paintings belonged to which era. But instead, he taught us composition and balance and asked us what we thought and asked us what touched us. He talked about art history as it related to the expression of the times and the condition that the people were living in at the time. He was so human and he nurtured creativity. As long as we were able to express ourselves honestly, he was satisfied. One of my favorite assignments was one where we had to go to the museum and pick out a work and write about what first attracted us to the work. Most of us wrote a couple of pages, going into detail and trying to sound informed and intelligent. But the highest grade in the class went to a guy who simply wrote "I was first attracted to this painting because there was a beautiful blond standing next to it." The professor gave him an A+. And the rest of us got honest after that. I really appreciate the things that have been written to this list. I have been fortunate enough to have
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
Hi Steve, I can't go back to iKey 1.x because iKey *destroys* your 1.x shortcuts in the process of importing them into iKey 2.x. That's the only reason -- otherwise, I would have gone back to 1.x immediately. Also, I can't "export shortcuts" on the old machine because I *sold* the old machine. I have a Carbon Copy Cloner-created disk image backup on my FireWire HD, but I don't know how to boot from a disk image. In fact, I don't know if that's even possible. Honestly, I didn't worry about making a *bootable* backup of my old Mac because I didn't think there was any need -- and I was more concerned about making the CCC backup of my *current* machine bootable. I have the "Finale2005a.plist" backup -- isn't that enough? Why do you have to "export" shortcuts first??? Surely what I want is possible? If not, I'm f***ing done with iKey. F*** them. I'd rather spend money I don't have on QuicKeys 3.0 than f*** around any longer with this goddamn iKey trainwreck. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 02 Feb 2005, at 9:38 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: First of all, why are you using iKeys 2? Can't you go back to vers. 1? In any event in the iKey2 editor on the old machine File->export, on the new file->Import. Does this work for you? steve On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time being (can't afford QuicKeys), but I'm having no luck transferring my previous iKey shortcuts to my new Mac mini. I want to do this without deleting the iKey preferences on the new machine. I just want to add my Fin2005a shortcuts, which were already in iKey 2.0 format. How is this done? I've checked the iKey "manual," but it says nothing about transferring shortcuts from another machine -- only updating from iKey 1.0. Gah. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the
The world is changing and the musicians who know how to adapt will be the ones who survive. Trying to think how to adapt to this world without pandering (which I don't seem to be constitutionally able to do) and can't figure it out. Whatever esthetic system is out there seems unrelated to the things that bring me into music - the things that provide the kind of involvement that make one forget that we are going to die someday - the total connection I used to feel playing with great jazz musicians for an audience for whom the music was essential (and understandable). What a rush that was - daily. I thought it'd never end, but it did. So, I'm surviving, but I can't really say that my music is. "I don't want to get adjusted to this world" Pete Seeger Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the
Ken, thanks for the post and the info. At 03:43 PM 2/2/05 +, Ken Moore wrote: >I think you make several points. Three that I get from your recent >posts: >1) Your taste in music is largely confined to the contemporary. It is now -- though I have a pretty good knowledge of music history, both facts and sounds, and a collection of some 4000 "classical" LPs and CDs gathering dust. (I've been getting rid of my collection of scores on my website, but LPs aren't worth much.) Aside from a lingering enthusiasm for the Ars Nova, though, most of my tastes for past styles were short-lived. >2) Non-pop music in the US is not flourishing. It's hard to have this discussion without giving that impression. Indeed, nonpop *is* flourishing as an artform, but not with the participation of the status institutions that benefit most from public funding, donations, bequests, and media attention (what there is of it). Nonpop's marginalization by the very organizations who live off its past fruits is, it seems to me, morally indefensible -- and toxic to the future of the artform. >3) Organisations that might address this are not doing so. And there you have the key. Some are addressing the issues, including those mentioned in previous posts, plus dedicated ensembles (from string quartets like Ethel and Flux through the Boston Modern Orchestra Project) that are doing great work along with some new nationwide projects that encourage commissioning. But if you back off from these positive details and take your look at the field of nonpop from a distance, you'll see that the creative activity of music development is simply not the focus of the larger, established organizations who pretty much live on the bones of the dead; that mid-level organizations are afraid to engage broadly in new nonpop for fear of losing sponsors and audience; and that smaller organizations are either unequipped artistically or, if they work presenting nonpop in large proportion, are quickly ghettoized by the rest of the community as well as the commercial media. Even the so-called public media have democratized their broadcasting content rather than shown artistic leadership, with public television running, for example, Yanni and Riverdance and Andre Rieu and Lawrence Welk and Austin City Limits rather than equivalent spectacles from the nonpop world (See if you can find the adventure in this schedule: http://www.vermontpublictv.org/tvscheds/weekly.html Did you find the nonpop? No, neither did I. How much better is it elsewhere?). Public radio nationwide has capitulated almost totally in promoting an anti-nonpop dogma, with mostly Klassikal Klearinghouse & JazzLite left on the schedule. And, as I've said, the educational picture is a fiasco, with its teachers by and large ignorant of the nonpop meta-genre -- past *or* present. >better communications inevitably result in changes to industries that >are concerned with information flows, which broadly encompass musical >performance, so we may merely be witnessing the sort of rapid adjustment >that has happened before in musical history, without leading to total >meltdown. That's very optimistic and hopeful, and my cup-half-full side agrees with you. I know that new nonpop is in a creative Golden Age, as is the distribution of its products via physical recordings and the Internet. (On the other hand, the commercial squatting of the Internet space, in addition to the legal and technical expenses involved with newer intellectual property issues and digital rights management, are re-compressing the opportunities for visibility. Another topic, another day.) >I can't give you advice on the third; IMO your problems are >acute because of the culture of individuality and dislike of government >intervention that was always characteristic of the United States, but >seems to have accentuated in recent years. That's certainly true. I don't know what the latest figures are, but I believe we are still among the lowest in per-capita public spending on the creative arts among the developed nations. The notion of nurturing cultural development does not go hand-in-hand with a political agenda that sees culturo-political sacred cows as, well, sacred, nor with our present capitalist theocracy that hands the tools of censorship over to the Big Box marketplace. (But don't be misled about government intervention -- we really love it, as long as it regulates the other guy and it subsidizes us.) >You have to find your own >way through that morass (we are more concerned about other aspects of >it), but I shall illustrate the differences that can arise from a more >collective (European?) way of doing things. I'm familiar with it, having lived on the continent for a time. However, I am curious about this: >B) Secondary education in UK state schools now includes musical >composition from age 11 to 16. This is mostly done with electronic >sequencers, and rather few of the students are ever going to produce >anything of val
Re: [Finale] iKey woes
First of all, why are you using iKeys 2? Can't you go back to vers. 1? In any event in the iKey2 editor on the old machine File->export, on the new file->Import. Does this work for you? steve On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time being (can't afford QuicKeys), but I'm having no luck transferring my previous iKey shortcuts to my new Mac mini. I want to do this without deleting the iKey preferences on the new machine. I just want to add my Fin2005a shortcuts, which were already in iKey 2.0 format. How is this done? I've checked the iKey "manual," but it says nothing about transferring shortcuts from another machine -- only updating from iKey 1.0. Gah. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Thanks ... because I could not have afforded to have anyone else do all that work ... although I did have the analysis typed by a professional ... it was either that, or the thing would not have passed muster. Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:00 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean Heh. I always hated people like you. Then again, I paid much of my tuition by doing those theses for people (and charging accordingly), and so disliked those who did it themselves. But I do sympathize! cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean Heh. I always hated people like you. Then again, I paid much of my tuition by doing those theses for people (and charging accordingly), and so disliked those who did it themselves. But I do sympathize! cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
jef chippewa wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html wow. maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? jef (PS okay so the dogsled comment is kind of tasteless humour, but i'm canadian, so i can get away with it, eh.) I think it has something to do with the accordion - it warps the brain. (As a trombone player, I can get away with *that*). :) cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] iKey woes
Arrg. I'm still stuck using iKey 2.0 for the time being (can't afford QuicKeys), but I'm having no luck transferring my previous iKey shortcuts to my new Mac mini. I want to do this without deleting the iKey preferences on the new machine. I just want to add my Fin2005a shortcuts, which were already in iKey 2.0 format. How is this done? I've checked the iKey "manual," but it says nothing about transferring shortcuts from another machine -- only updating from iKey 1.0. Gah. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Upgrading OS's (was TAN: More iKey)
On Jan 31, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: It is *never* a mistake to leave a computer system alone if it is stable and you are happy with how it works. At most you can say I may be missing out on some features I might like. I side with Robert on this, though I also agree with those who say that different users have different needs. Just because I don't like to upgrade doesn't mean someone else isn't happy to upgrade frequently, and vice versa. I'm not someone who wants to always do new and exciting things with my computer. I pretty much want to do the same things over and over. So long as the few products I'm using regularly are working, I'm happiest if I can leave the system alone and keep doing what I'm doing. The only time a problem arises is when some external factor requires me to upgrade something. Those who enjoy upgrading and criticize those of us who don't tend to say, "the only reason you don't like it is because you're not used to it", as if that's a rebuttal. Well, yes, that's exactly why I don't like it -- because I'm not used to it. I like what I'm used to. What's wrong with that? I like having something that I know well. If you upgrade frequently, you never have time to get used to anything. That said, I actually do like Mac OS X quite a bit better than its predecessor. For me that predecessor was OS 8. I resisted upgrading to 9, and then when I couldn't resist any longer (the old computer died and I had to get a new one), I jumped straight to OS X. Curiously, my main experience with OS 9 is running Finale 2k2 in Classic mode. (Yes, I've resisted upgrading Finale as well.) mdl P.S. Is it my imagination or has this list been unusually busy? I was away for a few days, and now I've got literally hundreds of messages in my Finale list mailbox. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??
A support guy here in Denmark gave me this address: ftp://ftp.logitech-europe.com/pub/support Here you can find it!! regards Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 20.23, skrev Colin Broom: Stig wrote: Solution! I have downloaded the Logitech mouse driver 9.37 and that solved the problem. It is now possible to scroll horinzontal AND vertical with the scrollwheel! Where did you find the earlier driver? I am having a similar problem with the MX500 and I could only find the latest drivers. Colin Broom. _ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Touché! Yeah, things weren't really that bad, I guess. I was receiving much more from Finale than I was needing from it. Of course that didn't keep us all from poking, prodding and dreaming, not necessarily in that order, toward a new and improved Finale (still doesn't). Many, many slowww, slowww screen redraws and the overnight part extraction process both stick out in my mind, though. And how about shape expression hairpins *before* the era of meta tools? Don on 2/2/05 3:03 PM, Gerald Berg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Nah. That was sophisticated. A cloned Apple II+ with Mountain > Computer sound cards and a partially built Syntauri keyboard -- pre > midi of course. 20 seconds of music at a time then recorded and > spliced together -- that was when work was work! > > Jerry > > On 2-Feb-05, at 2:47 PM, Don Hart wrote: > >> When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical >> equivalents of >> "walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard", I can't help but think of >> Finale >> 1.0! >> >> Don >> >> >> >> on 2/2/05 11:06 AM, Carl Donsbach at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent "vellum", and razor >>> blades. >>> -Carl >>> >>> --On Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:11 AM -0800 "Dean M. Estabrook" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, >>> check >>> this >>> out: >>> http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html >>> maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled >>> and >>> visit this guy to invite him into our century? >> >> I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a >> (EPS) >> file >> from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." >> >> Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. > > Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the > "Deluxe" > version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool > that > I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get > what > I thought was professional output. > > Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, > but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore > Lite." > > I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no > problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. > MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a > Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! > > -- > Brad Beyenhof > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com > FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our childrens curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
At 12:29 PM 2/2/05 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote: >>Another crrosspost from Orchestra-L: >>The pioneer figure was Arnold Schoenberg, with his theory of the >>emancipation of dissonance > >The theory, and the term, belong to Charles Seeger. The emancipation >of a large chunk of the American population was still a living memory >at the time he coined the expression, and the echo is deliberate. You have a cite? I thought this went back to Schoenberg as well. Seeger did "dissonant counterpoint". But my memory is not to be trusted. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Nah. That was sophisticated. A cloned Apple II+ with Mountain Computer sound cards and a partially built Syntauri keyboard -- pre midi of course. 20 seconds of music at a time then recorded and spliced together -- that was when work was work! Jerry On 2-Feb-05, at 2:47 PM, Don Hart wrote: When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical equivalents of "walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard", I can't help but think of Finale 1.0! Don on 2/2/05 11:06 AM, Carl Donsbach at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent "vellum", and razor blades. -Carl --On Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:11 AM -0800 "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the "Deluxe" version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool that I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get what I thought was professional output. Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore Lite." I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children‚s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
When we start talking about the good ol' days and our musical equivalents of "walking 5 miles to school in a blizzard", I can't help but think of Finale 1.0! Don on 2/2/05 11:06 AM, Carl Donsbach at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent "vellum", and razor blades. > -Carl > > --On Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:11 AM -0800 "Dean M. Estabrook" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a >> wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did >> have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left >> holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! >> >> Dean >> >> On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check > this > out: > http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html > maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and > visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. >>> >>> Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the "Deluxe" >>> version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool that >>> I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get what >>> I thought was professional output. >>> >>> Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, >>> but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore >>> Lite." >>> >>> I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no >>> problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. >>> MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a >>> Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! >>> >>> -- >>> Brad Beyenhof >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com >>> FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> >> I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the >> journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I >> have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that >> there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans >> by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our >> childrens curricula. >> >> Dean M. Estabrook >> >> Retired Church Musician >> Composer, Arranger >> Adjudicator >> Amateur Golfer >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??
Stig wrote: Solution! I have downloaded the Logitech mouse driver 9.37 and that solved the problem. It is now possible to scroll horinzontal AND vertical with the scrollwheel! Where did you find the earlier driver? I am having a similar problem with the MX500 and I could only find the latest drivers. Colin Broom. _ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Egads, you're correct ... that was the 20th Century. How quickly we forget. Yes, in addition to my composition, I, of course, had to write an analysis of it ... about 40 pages, but it was just text with a few musical examples ... easy by comparison to the score work. Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 9:19 AM, Phil Daley wrote: At 2/2/2005 11:11 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a >wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did >have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left >holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! My Master's thesis was 130 pages. My wife retyped it (at least we had an electric typewriter ;-) totally about 8 times to get all of the various corrections into it. Actually, it WAS another century ;-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Yes, that's what I meant by "Cameo" paper. It was an excellent company out of Hollywood, which provided the vellums as well as printing services. I remember averaging 4 pages per day. I also used a nifty little gizmo, the name of which I forget, to write in expressions, etc. It had a tail pin which followed grooves in a series of templates and made very nice lettering, cleffs, etc. BUT, it was s slow. Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 9:06 AM, Carl Donsbach wrote: Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent "vellum", and razor blades. -Carl --On Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:11 AM -0800 "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the "Deluxe" version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool that I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get what I thought was professional output. Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore Lite." I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
I'm will Chris on this. Finale's Page View/Scroll view behavior w/r/t optimization *is* incredibly confusing *if you don't already know how it works.* Jari and Brad and I all know how it works, but that doesn't mean "how it works" is good UI. Good UI would be: 1) The first time you try to optimize systems with a group set to "Only optimize if all staves are empty", Finale should warn you (with a "Don't Show Again" box, of course). This question about optimizing staves out of piano parts comes up ALL THE TIME on the list, so obviously the default behavior is confusing to a lot of people. 2) The first time you try to change optimization settings in Page View (or group name, etc.), Finale should warn you that changes to these settings made in Page View affect that system only -- and offer options to "Apply these settings to all systems," "Apply to system range," and "Apply to only this system. Again with a "Don't Show Again" box -- so people who like the current system can continue as they are accustomed to -- but that way, new users are not baffled. It *is* counter-intuitive to have the same command yield different results depending on whether you are in Scroll View or Page View. The -- quite reasonable -- assumption is that these are just two different VIEWS, and that they do not cause commands to behave differently. We all know otherwise through bitter experience, but it's still lousy UI. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The good, the bad, and the
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >My point is simple and you give it too much credit >in your details. I think you make several points. Three that I get from your recent posts: 1) Your taste in music is largely confined to the contemporary. 2) Non-pop music in the US is not flourishing. 3) Organisations that might address this are not doing so. All one can say to the first is that there is no argument concerning taste and some of us will listen to the best music of almost any period. In my limited knowledge, you seem to be right about the second, though better communications inevitably result in changes to industries that are concerned with information flows, which broadly encompass musical performance, so we may merely be witnessing the sort of rapid adjustment that has happened before in musical history, without leading to total meltdown. I can't give you advice on the third; IMO your problems are acute because of the culture of individuality and dislike of government intervention that was always characteristic of the United States, but seems to have accentuated in recent years. You have to find your own way through that morass (we are more concerned about other aspects of it), but I shall illustrate the differences that can arise from a more collective (European?) way of doing things. A) Looking through last Saturday's broadcast schedules for BBC Radio 3, I gathered the following approximate statistics of time devoted to various sorts of music: Renaissance 20m early baroque 1h late baroque2h10m classical 2h30m early romantic 2h10m late romantic 4h30m impressionist 40m mid 20th C 40m contemporary2h Messiaen30m minimalist 1h world* 1h25 jazz* 2h30 * Both of these will have included contemporary compositions. The days vary. On Monday, for example, you could have heard Webern Six Bagatelles, Op 9, and Berg's "Lyric Suite". Saturday is Radio 3's best day for jazz, though there will be an hour discussing the late Artie Shaw at 1600 GMT next Friday, and jazz occurs on Radio 2 on other days. Light music, including show music from 1920 to 1960 occurs more on Radios 2 & 4. B) Secondary education in UK state schools now includes musical composition from age 11 to 16. This is mostly done with electronic sequencers, and rather few of the students are ever going to produce anything of value, but the opportunity is there for the exceptionally talented to realise that they have compositional capabilities. C) The organisation "Contemporary Music for Amateurs" (still only in the UK, AFAIK) runs workshops and summer schools at which both performers and composers can learn together. I believe it also commissions works from established composers. A parallel activity, more noticeable over the last ten years or so, though it had happened before, is the foundation of community orchestras for adult instrumentalists of limited or zero experience: "late starters" and "rusty returners". Since these orchestras rarely have standard configurations they need specially arranged or written works, so some, at least, offer outlets for composers, though few, if any, can actually pay a commission. D) In the UK, performances of contemporary compositions are still supported by the Society for the Promotion of New Music, and the London Sinfonietta still specialises in it, though they probably keep solvent more by making CDs of old Broadway shows (I love their 3 CD set of all the surviving music from "Showboat", with Frederica von Stade, Teresa Stratas and Paige O'Hara etc.). E) Some top orchestras (most notably, recently, the Berlin PO) have decided not to leave cultivation of their future audiences to the dubious capability of their national educational systems, and have started "Outreach Projects" in which their instrumentalists go into schools to demonstrate and perform, and the orchestra invites schoolchildren to an appropriate performing space to join them in co- operative music-making. The world is changing and the musicians who know how to adapt will be the ones who survive. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails > 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Hey all Thanks - I had tried all of the discussed, but not in scroll view. I was getting all of the same results you discussed below. What a pain and a loss of an hour or so. Jim - Original Message - From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > > > Christopher Smith wrote: > > > >> It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. > > > > No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. > > > > > > Just to be clear, this is what I find weird: > > To turn on normal optimisation in a piano group, you HAVE to be in > scroll view if you have previously attempted to optimise. > > If you have NOT previously attempted optimisation, or if you have > turned OFF the optimisation, you DON'T have to be in scroll view to > turn on normal optimisation, as you CAN do it in page view. > > That doesn't seem weird to you? Or at least counter-intuitive? > > Odder to me is that the "optimise normally" command in the Edit Group > Attributes window APPEARS to work normally when you select it, but then > when you go back to to check it, it has magically changed back to > "optimise only when both staves are empty" without notifying you. It > seems to me that if they don't want this feature to work when you have > optimised and are in page view, then they should at least grey it out, > or tell you that this won't work except in scroll view (which I still > don't understand.) > > Christopher > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:09:11 -0500, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > > > Christopher Smith wrote: > > > >> It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. > > > > No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. > > Just to be clear, this is what I find weird: > > To turn on normal optimisation in a piano group, you HAVE to be in > scroll view if you have previously attempted to optimise. > > If you have NOT previously attempted optimisation, or if you have > turned OFF the optimisation, you DON'T have to be in scroll view to > turn on normal optimisation, as you CAN do it in page view. > > That doesn't seem weird to you? Or at least counter-intuitive? No. When you optimize the piece, every Page View system now has its own individual Group and Staff Spacing settings. You can change Group settings one by one in Page View, but in order to affect the piece as a whole you have to go into Scroll View (which is not broken up by systems into discrete chunks. This allows you to change group attributes for each system when/if there are different combinations of instruments in the group, or (for instance) if a staff breaks into two for a certain section to accomodate a separate solo part. > Odder to me is that the "optimise normally" command in the Edit Group > Attributes window APPEARS to work normally when you select it, but then > when you go back to to check it, it has magically changed back to > "optimise only when both staves are empty" without notifying you. It > seems to me that if they don't want this feature to work when you have > optimised and are in page view, then they should at least grey it out, > or tell you that this won't work except in scroll view (which I still > don't understand.) It is changed only for the system you originally clicked on when modifying the check-box. All other Page View systems remain the same, and changing these attributes in an optimized Page View system has no effect on the underlying Scroll View settings. In general, I tend to think of Scroll View as the repository of "global" settings, which can be modified piece by piece in Page View, the section for "layout" tweaking. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Christopher Smith wrote: To turn on normal optimisation in a piano group, you HAVE to be in scroll view if you have previously attempted to optimise. Of course, otherwise you can't access the global staff list. If you have NOT previously attempted optimisation, or if you have turned OFF the optimisation, you DON'T have to be in scroll view to turn on normal optimisation, as you CAN do it in page view. ...since each system gets its group info from the global staff list in this case. That doesn't seem weird to you? No. Or at least counter-intuitive? No. Odder to me is that the "optimise normally" command in the Edit Group Attributes window APPEARS to work normally when you select it, but then when you go back to to check it, it has magically changed back to "optimise only when both staves are empty" without notifying you. It seems to me that if they don't want this feature to work when you have optimised and are in page view, then they should at least grey it out, or tell you that this won't work except in scroll view (which I still don't understand.) The group attributes is connected to a specific staff list, which means that each opimized staff system has its own set of group attribute settings. You get the information about which staff list that will be affected in the "Group Attributes" dialog box in the field starting with "Staff List:" - which could say either "Global" or "Staff System [number]". If you want a visual example how these things are connected, try to move a group bracket in Page View (if you're using a version earlier than Fin2004, you need to redraw the screen to see the real effect of it). For an optimized system, only the bracket for that optimized system will move. For a non-optimized system, it will move the bracket for all non-optimized systems - and it will also affect the bracket in Scroll View. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Garritan and other stuff
Another crrosspost from Orchestra-L: Martin Kettle Tuesday February 1, 2005 The Guardian When did the music die? And why? It will be 30 years in August since the death of Dmitri Shostakovitch. Next year also marks the 30th anniversary of the death of Benjamin Britten. Aaron Copland, older than both of them, lived on until 1990 and Olivier Messiaen until 1992. But apart from these? I can see them already. The protestations on behalf of the half-forgotten and semi-famous, the advocates of Henze and Berio, the followers of Tavener and Adès. Perhaps there will be a good word for Golijov or Gubaidulina, for Piazzola or Saariaho (enthusiasms I share). And maybe, even now, there remains someone who believes that Stockhausen should be mentioned in the same breath as Bach, the last of the true believers clinging to the shipwreck of modernism. He forgot Schnittke and Lutoslawski and Lou Harrison. Also Cage (who, whatever one may think of him, was and is much more than semifamous). Feldman remains firmly in the chamber repertoire 20 years after his death. Xenakis has a very strong following working to secure his legacy. Coming up (and deliberately omitting Boulez, Stockhausen et al since Kettle seems to regard them as beyond the pale): Crumb, Riley, Reich, Adams, Glass, Ligeti, Penderecki, Dougherty, Higdon, ... Need I go on? The music didn't die, Kettle did. what is the most recently composed piece of classical music to have achieved a genuinely established place in the repertoire? Probably "A Short Ride in a Fast Machine." I mean a piece that you can count on hearing in most major cities most years, That leaves out, let's see, all of Bach, all Handel except the _Messiah_, Brahms' _German Requiem_, every bit of polyphony composed before 1680, except for a handful of madrigals, all of Couperin, all of Purcell, all of Scarlatti, all of Stravinsky except maybe the _Firebird_ suite (even the _Sacre_ is not performed in "most major cities in most years"), all but a handful of Mozart and Haydn symphonies, all the operas of Wagner... Jeez, this guy should listen to himself! And you think this is conservative? Nah. Conservatives like serial music (fl. 50 years ago). The word he's looking for is "reactionary." The prevailing tone of rejection and nostalgia is a tipoff. For the general public, he argues, classical music ceased to exist by 1950. Two problems here: 1) as above, numerous counterexamples could be cited. 2) Classical music never sought or had the ear of the general public. It is *by definition* the music of a minority. The pioneer figure was Arnold Schoenberg, with his theory of the emancipation of dissonance The theory, and the term, belong to Charles Seeger. The emancipation of a large chunk of the American population was still a living memory at the time he coined the expression, and the echo is deliberate. The (as I assume) British author of this article seems to be unaware that an American classical tradition exists--but that too is typical of Europeans of his mindset. -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
At 2/2/2005 11:11 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: >I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a >wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did >have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left >holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! My Master's thesis was 130 pages. My wife retyped it (at least we had an electric typewriter ;-) totally about 8 times to get all of the various corrections into it. Actually, it WAS another century ;-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
On Wednesday, February 2, 2005, at 11:50 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. Just to be clear, this is what I find weird: To turn on normal optimisation in a piano group, you HAVE to be in scroll view if you have previously attempted to optimise. If you have NOT previously attempted optimisation, or if you have turned OFF the optimisation, you DON'T have to be in scroll view to turn on normal optimisation, as you CAN do it in page view. That doesn't seem weird to you? Or at least counter-intuitive? Odder to me is that the "optimise normally" command in the Edit Group Attributes window APPEARS to work normally when you select it, but then when you go back to to check it, it has magically changed back to "optimise only when both staves are empty" without notifying you. It seems to me that if they don't want this feature to work when you have optimised and are in page view, then they should at least grey it out, or tell you that this won't work except in scroll view (which I still don't understand.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
Yes. And then there's the semi-transparent "vellum", and razor blades. -Carl --On Wednesday, February 02, 2005 8:11 AM -0800 "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the "Deluxe" version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool that I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get what I thought was professional output. Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore Lite." I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our childrens curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Christopher Smith wrote: It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. No, it isn't. It's all perfectly logical. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)
From the spelling it looks like I'm from another planet!! Sorry. I was on Mac (in Finale issues) but now I'm back on Windows, and I must say allthough I don't like it: I think the Win version of Finale is much quicker. Especially the built in keyboard short-cuts works very well!!! But I love my Mac for all other regards Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 16.47, skrev Aaron Sherber: At 10:31 AM 02/02/2005, Stig Christensen wrote: >Hey Jari! > >I will try tour progtam! Unfortunately, Forza is Windows-only at the moment -- and it looks like you're on a Mac. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] up grade advice
Andrew Stiller wrote: Press three keys to toggle scroll/page view? Give me a break! don't blame Panther for decisions which MM made. What else? Johannes MM wouldn't have made the decision if there hadn't been an OS change. My whole point is that the decisions made by MM in trying to accomodate their app to OSX resulted in a weaker program. What else? Try this: I update any file (thousands of them!) created in OS9 or earlier, and irretrievably lose all the Page Setup data associated with that file. Yes, I know why this happens; no, I do not accept that the info could not, nevertheless, be conserved. And I especially do not accept that the relevant algorithm is not intelligent enough to automatically insert the name of my printer in place of the generic "any printer" setting. (This is necessary because with "any printer" the printing margin is set at 1/2", thereby cutting off all my page numbers and half my staff names.) -- Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
I can't believe I copied out my entire Master's Thesis (87 pages of a wind ensemble score) by hand, using india ink and Cameo paper. I did have the advantage of a hi-tech electric eraser, which sometimes left holes in the paper when pressed too hard. Talk about another century! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the "Deluxe" version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool that I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get what I thought was professional output. Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore Lite." I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
That made my day! Dean On Feb 2, 2005, at 12:00 AM, jef chippewa wrote: if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html wow. maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? jef (PS okay so the dogsled comment is kind of tasteless humour, but i'm canadian, so i can get away with it, eh.) -- .jef.chippewa. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .shirling.&.neueweise. http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT
Mea culpa ... mea maxima ... etc. Yes, I gave credit to the incorrect person ... no doubt I was agog at the new vistas in my life. This list remains amazing to the techno challanged me. Thank you Darcy. And Kenneth, I'm sure you will answer some question of mine in the future ... I'll have plenty to go around. Dean On Feb 1, 2005, at 6:46 PM, Kenneth Kuhlmann wrote: On Tuesday, February 01, 2005 3:17 PM Dean wrote Yes, I just learned from Kenneth that OSX has built in Fax software. I think Darcy deserves credit for that useful advice. I myself, not being a member of the MacApple clan, was unaware that Dean's iMac had a built-in modem with Fax support in OSX. Kenneth Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale I know what public school music has done for me. I have witnessed the journey it has provided my daughter and hundreds of other students I have been fortunate enough to teach. I am both amazed and outraged that there are those who would knowingly disenfranchise generations of humans by excising the practice and inculcation of an entire heritage from our children’s curricula. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)
At 10:31 AM 02/02/2005, Stig Christensen wrote: >Hey Jari! > >I will try tour progtam! Unfortunately, Forza is Windows-only at the moment -- and it looks like you're on a Mac. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)
Hey Jari! I will try tour progtam! venlig hilsen Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 13.40, skrev Jari Williamsson: Stig Christensen wrote: Is it possible to export/import the different lines from the Smart Shape Tool between documents? If you cut and paste measures with the smart shape in it, individual line definitions will be copied. Settings Transfer in Forza! Lite can copy all your custom smart shape line definitions to other documents, while avoiding to create duplicates. (Select the "Lists" mode and check "Custom-Line Smart Shapes"). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 05:28:28 -0800, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this > > out: > > http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html > > maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and > > visit this guy to invite him into our century? > > I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file > from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." > > Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. Ah! MusicTime! That's what I used in high school (albeit the "Deluxe" version) to scribble out my compositions.I thought it was so cool that I could hook my keyboard up to my old Windows 3.1 machine and get what I thought was professional output. Nowadays, of course, that program isn't worth the CD it's burned to, but G-VOX is still trying to sell it. It's somewhat of an "Encore Lite." I find it interesting (as Richard mentioned) that he mentions no problems printing to EPS from such an antiquated notation program. MusicTime still "dumbs down" Windows, even XP, to run in a Win3.1-style 16-bit architecture! -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
On Feb 2, 2005, at 8:30 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: Also, if you have previously tried to optimize, you have to REMOVE optimisation BEFORE you set the group attribute to "optimise normally." Otherwise it will not work. No, that's not necessary - that's why I said that you should first go to SCROLL VIEW! You are absolutely right! Imagine that I lost two hours or more on this last year, and all I had to do was to be in Scroll View when I set the group attribute to "optimise normally!" It IS rather weird behaviour, just the same. Thanks. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Christopher Smith wrote: Also, if you have previously tried to optimize, you have to REMOVE optimisation BEFORE you set the group attribute to "optimise normally." Otherwise it will not work. No, that's not necessary - that's why I said that you should first go to SCROLL VIEW! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
> if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: > http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html > maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and > visit this guy to invite him into our century? I note that the last line on the page says " I then print to a (EPS) file from the notation program, using the Postscript printer driver." Maybe Finale should move up to HIS century. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
On Feb 2, 2005, at 3:36 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: I'm creating a piano chart that has notes entered in the first two systems, and from system three to the end only chord symbols in the treble clef. I'm attempting to optimize those staffs in page layout, and eliminate the bass, but cannot get anything to happen. I'm using Finale 04 for Windows. Where am I going wrong? Open the Group Attributes for the Piano group IN SCROLL VIEW. Set the "Group Optimization" setting to "Optimize Normally". Switch to Page View and reoptimize. Also, if you have previously tried to optimize, you have to REMOVE optimisation BEFORE you set the group attribute to "optimise normally." Otherwise it will not work. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (Moving OT) The necrosone thread
On Feb 1, 2005, at 8:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My sadness right now is about the fact that Dennis Bathory is so smart. And no, I'm not being ironic. In the course of these posts and the responses to them (now approaching book-length), Bathory writes as fine and clear an exposition of the dilemma of modern composition as has been made (and this is my field, so I know the literature). His analysis of the economic, cultural, psychological and educational forces at work is spot on. And out of this wonderful analysis comes...(wait for it)...a ridiculous, draconian agenda. Nahh! Not at all! I NEVER saw anything like that! So we have the sorry spectacle of otherwise intelligent Listers diving for their history books to see if they will be allowed to "save" certain composers--as if it made any difference whether you were an embryo or an infant when Bartok died. Oh, he knew very well that the "dead before you were born" criterion was not perfect. But one has to have SOME scale to measure "modern" by, because the skewed consensus of classical music impressarios and conductors isn't doing the job. When I was doing my Master's degree, performance majors had to program one modern work on their recital. "Modern" was defined as written within the last forty years, which strangely left out some of the composition teacher's own works! It's only a vague pointer, not a ridiculous, draconian agenda, as you said. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)
Stig Christensen wrote: Is it possible to export/import the different lines from the Smart Shape Tool between documents? If you cut and paste measures with the smart shape in it, individual line definitions will be copied. Settings Transfer in Forza! Lite can copy all your custom smart shape line definitions to other documents, while avoiding to create duplicates. (Select the "Lists" mode and check "Custom-Line Smart Shapes"). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Smart Line Style (Smart Shapes)
Is it possible to export/import the different lines from the Smart Shape Tool between documents? regards Stig ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??
You have to uninstall the old mousedriver from the install/uninstall software section of the controlpanel and then install the old driver. venlig hilsen Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 3.18, skrev Richard Yates: Yes, you can scroll in Finale Windows, but not with the most recent Logitech driver (v. 9.79). I'm not sure why, but the new version broke scrolling in Finale, though not in other applications, as far as I can tell. I reverted to an older driver (9.73), and scrolling works fine. I downloaded 9.73 but when I try to install it it detects the newer version and refuses to proceed (actually the message box politely 'recommends' keeping the newer version and then closes the installer no matter what you do.) Any ideas on how to do this? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??
Richard Yates wrote: Yes, you can scroll in Finale Windows, but not with the most recent Logitech driver (v. 9.79). I'm not sure why, but the new version broke scrolling in Finale, though not in other applications, as far as I can tell. I reverted to an older driver (9.73), and scrolling works fine. I downloaded 9.73 but when I try to install it it detects the newer version and refuses to proceed (actually the message box politely 'recommends' keeping the newer version and then closes the installer no matter what you do.) Any ideas on how to do this? Remove the newer version before installing the older one. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Stems
Dear list, When upstems, all the 16th note stems cross 16th note joined beams. Not when downstems? Thanks for your responses. Pierre. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??
Solution! I have downloaded the Logitech mouse driver 9.37 and that solved the problem. It is now possible to scroll horinzontal AND vertical with the scrollwheel! Thanks for the help!! regards Stig Den 2/2-2005, kl. 0.14, skrev Stig Christensen: Thanks for your quick reply. Sorry but it don't bring me closer to the answer to my question: Is it possible to use a Logitech mouse (MX700) to scroll in Finale Windows? venlig hilsen Stig Den 1/2-2005, kl. 20.51, skrev Jack Ellis: I use a Microsoft optical mouse with a scroll wheel and can scroll up and down. FYI, I programmed the scroll wheel (as middle button) to double click which eases strain on the old tendons. Jack - Original Message - From: Stig Christensen To: Finale Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows?? Hey, 2 months ago I left the Windows platform determined to concentrate on my Mac also for Finale. Now I go back for many reasons. But my question is: Is it my imagination or was it possible to scroll vertical with a logitech mouse using the shift keys or something??? Can you help me?? regards Stig ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Scroll mouse i windows??
Stig Christensen wrote: Thanks for your quick reply. Sorry but it don't bring me closer to the answer to my question: Is it possible to use a Logitech mouse (MX700) to scroll in Finale Windows? I think this is a driver and OS version issue. If you can't get it to work by changing driver version, FreeWheel will get it to work: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] a finale challenge
jef chippewa wrote: maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? The global warming had the result that large parts of Sweden almost never get any snow nowadays. And if you start looking at the uploads to the Finale Showcase, you'll notice that the general notational standard isn't much better there. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: I'm creating a piano chart that has notes entered in the first two systems, and from system three to the end only chord symbols in the treble clef. I'm attempting to optimize those staffs in page layout, and eliminate the bass, but cannot get anything to happen. I'm using Finale 04 for Windows. Where am I going wrong? Open the Group Attributes for the Piano group IN SCROLL VIEW. Set the "Group Optimization" setting to "Optimize Normally". Switch to Page View and reoptimize. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff Optimaztion Question
Check that the Staff Attributes dialogue for the lower staff has 'allow optimisation' checked. (I suppose also check that 'remove empty staves' is checked in the Staff System Optimisation dialogue is checked, for good measure!) Actually, come to think of it, it could be that it's tripping up over the 'Keep at least one staff' command - try deselecting this and selecting 'Ask before removing staves'. Jim and Pat Sodke wrote: Hi all I'm creating a piano chart that has notes entered in the first two systems, and from system three to the end only chord symbols in the treble clef. I'm attempting to optimize those staffs in page layout, and eliminate the bass, but cannot get anything to happen. I'm using Finale 04 for Windows. Where am I going wrong? Jim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] a finale challenge
if you ever thought finale was a notational pain in the arse, check this out: http://www.accordionpage.com/hownotation.html wow. maybe someone on the list living in sweden could get on a dogsled and visit this guy to invite him into our century? jef (PS okay so the dogsled comment is kind of tasteless humour, but i'm canadian, so i can get away with it, eh.) -- .jef.chippewa. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .shirling.&.neueweise. http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
