Re: [Finale] Wierd print bug
Carl Dershem wrote: OK - this may or may not have happened to some of you before. If so, did you find a way out? I'm trying to print some parts on an HP9650 on 12x18 paper (2-up). The parts just cut off the last 3 of the page, as though the printer suddenly ran out of ink, but nice and clean. I've run through my printer settings and they all look fine, and other apps use the whole page. Any idea what might cause this in Finale, or where to look for a solution? This is really wierd, as the printer has been great before, using Finale and (from what I can tell) the same settings. Frustrated, cd In your printer dialog you need to specify which paper size your printer should expect. It's not enough to set the paper size in page layout, you have to do it in the printer setup dialog as well. And perhaps you also have to go into the printer driver itself and tell the printer what sort of paper to expect. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing score and parts
John Howell wrote: At 4:04 PM -0500 3/19/05, dhbailey wrote: There is a way to do what you want, it's just that Finale programmers haven't figured out how to do it. :-( My bet is the first notation software which does that (Sibelius, Finale or the newly developping Notion software from http://www.notionmusic.com which may give these two giants a run for their money) first will eventually be the last engraving software standing. It will be such a huge time-saver that everybody using anything else will jump ship and begin using that program. Sadly, not at all the case. Composer's Mosaic did exactly this, automatically and instantaneously, from the very beginning. The key may have been that score and parts are all part of the same file. The downside, of course, is that a mistake entered in EITHER score or parts is instantly transferred to the other, so checking the score for an error in the parts is a waste of time. But MotU seem no longer to be supporting Mosaic, despite this ability. My son-in-law was smart enough to get it operable for me in OSX Classic, so I can (for the moment) still access hundreds of my scores, but soon I'll inevitably lose them. Dennis' fear of losing access to Finale is NOT paranoid! john Good point -- Composer's Mosaic was before it's time, unfortunately, when not nearly as many composers were as computer-savvy as they are today and there was still much hand-copying being done. As for Dennis' fear of losing access to Finale, I agree, it's not paranoid. But copy protection isn't what has done Mosaic in, it's the advancing OS which has left the old code in the dust and the developper of Mosaic decided to pull the plug on the program. Nothing will be able to save Finale into the future once either Windows or MacOS move onto 128-bit programming and the then-current versions won't run any 16-bit apps anymore. That could happen to open-source freeware as easily as to corporate-developped expensive software. It's good your son-in-law got Mosaic working for you -- go about saving them all as midi files so you can import them into Finale, as well as making certain you have printed versions of them all. You might even consider printing them to PDF files so you'll have electronic versions rather than paper versions. As I recall, also, Composer's Mosaic was a Mac program, not a Windows program, which cut out a huge potential market, another factor contributing to it's downfall. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing score and parts
David Bailey wrote: As for Dennis' fear of losing access to Finale, I agree, it's not paranoid. If Dennis's fear was losing access to data in files created with Sibelius, I would agree that it would not be paranoid. However, at least the ~.etf file format of Finale is open, and anyone who wishes can create a notation program to read and write those files. For that reason, I do consider Dennis' concerns about losing access to data a bit paranoid. But copy protection isn't what has done Mosaic in, it's the advancing OS which has left the old code in the dust and the developper of Mosaic decided to pull the plug on the program. Nothing will be able to save Finale into the future once either Windows or MacOS move onto 128-bit programming and the then-current versions won't run any 16-bit apps anymore. It's hard to say whether this is a true statement or not. I suspect if Finale's products have been properly designed, while I can imagine some things might need re-working for the 128 bit programming environment, I suspect that most of Finale is already carefully written so that what will be required with a switch of environments will be to recompile the source code with a suitable 128 bit compiler, and the new OS will not know the difference. The 16-bit applications which will fail to run in a 128 bit environment are going to fall into two general categories: those for which the source code is no longer available, and thus which cannot be recompiled, on one hand, and on the other, those that make illegal direct access calls to the hardware on the other. That could happen to open-source freeware as easily as to corporate-developped expensive software. I doubt it will happen much to either one. Also, I would note that as long as the lowest level software, by which I refer to that embedded in hard drives and other media reading devices is capable of reading the media upon which the files are stored, it won't matter what bit the applications are in. If they can read the data, they can process it. The only thing which prevents my old fortran program (on IBM punch cards) from working in my PC, is the lack of a reader. I know the program works; I retyped it into a DOS fortran compiler years ago, the DOS compiler still runs in the MS-DOS prompt of Windows. If one is using a notation package which produces data files with a proprietary file structure format, and they won't tell you what it is, and don't have an option for storing in some open source means, be afraid. Even with the authentication system in place, there are multiple options for reading Finale files, as long as you've taken the time and effort to save them as ~.etf files. If you haven't, well, its about like your deciding to hand copy scores using an ink which faces in a short period of time, or copying onto high-acid paper. Your choice of materials is the problem, not the materials themselves. Makemusic makes the options available; they have not control over whether you choose to use them. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
Hello. I have Windows XP Home Edition. I have Finale 2005b Is it safe for me to install XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)? Many thanks for your help. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered. I haven't checked the list for some months now. Paul Copeland ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
Paul Copeland wrote: Hello. I have Windows XP Home Edition. I have Finale 2005b Is it safe for me to install XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)? Many thanks for your help. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered. I haven't checked the list for some months now. I have WinXPpro and installed Service Pack 2 and have had no problems running Finale2005b since then. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Giant Steps
That animation RULES! It makes my website hall of fame. Thanks Christopher! Allen Christopher Smith wrote: For those who are fans of John Coltrane, check out this animation. So simple, yet he really seems to hear the piece the way I think a lot of jazz musicians might hear it. It's kind of like a Fantasia (the movie) treatment for jazz nuts. http://michalevy.com/gs_download.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Incorrectly Printing Articulation (?)
At 4:38 AM + 3/23/05, John Bell wrote: PS On reflection, since you say the inverted A is beside both notes it's unlikely to be an articulation -- only one instance would appear in that case -- so unless my earlier suggestion of O for open string is wrong it must me something else that applies to each of the two notes. Such as an unorthodox accidental? It's hard to think of something that would need to be applied to each note as opposed to the pair of them. John A fingering would go over the notes. The only sign I can imagine being placed before the notes is a vertical bracket indicating non-divisi. An accidental would only make sense if the key signature needs to be cancelled for those notes. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:00:35 +1100, Paul Copeland wrote: Hello. I have Windows XP Home Edition. I have Finale 2005b Is it safe for me to install XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)? Many thanks for your help. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered. I haven't checked the list for some months now. Finale will run just fine on SP2. However, if you have any spyware on your computer before you start the SP2 install the consequences can be disastrous. You should run Ad-Aware Personal from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ to make sure your machine is clear before upgrading the OS to SP2. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Incorrectly Printing Articulation (?)
On 23 Mar 2005, at 14:43, John Howell wrote: At 4:38 AM + 3/23/05, John Bell wrote: PS On reflection, since you say the inverted A is beside both notes it's unlikely to be an articulation -- only one instance would appear in that case -- so unless my earlier suggestion of O for open string is wrong it must me something else that applies to each of the two notes. Such as an unorthodox accidental? It's hard to think of something that would need to be applied to each note as opposed to the pair of them. John A fingering would go over the notes. The only sign I can imagine being placed before the notes is a vertical bracket indicating non-divisi. An accidental would only make sense if the key signature needs to be cancelled for those notes. John But there would only be one such bracket, not two. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wierd print bug
Carl, I recently had a similar problem printing 2-up on 17 X 11 paper on a Ricoh printer. In my case, however, only the second page was stopped short. My problem was with printer-memory, and after changing the setting from 1200 dpi to 600dpi, the part printed perfectly. Dalvin Boone - Original Message - From: Carl Dershem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: [Finale] Wierd print bug OK - this may or may not have happened to some of you before. If so, did you find a way out? I'm trying to print some parts on an HP9650 on 12x18 paper (2-up). The parts just cut off the last 3 of the page, as though the printer suddenly ran out of ink, but nice and clean. I've run through my printer settings and they all look fine, and other apps use the whole page. Any idea what might cause this in Finale, or where to look for a solution? This is really wierd, as the printer has been great before, using Finale and (from what I can tell) the same settings. Frustrated, cd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff List Question
Force -- as in, force the expression to appear even on a staff that is set *not* to display staff expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 10:18 AM, Neal Gittleman wrote: Hey... Here's something I've wondered about for years... Creating a staff list for staff expressions, if you click next to a staff name an X appears. If you click again in the same place the X changes to an F. If you click a third time the selection is un-X-ed. What does the F mean ng ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Incorrectly Printing Articulation (?)
On Mar 23, 2005, at 9:43 AM, John Howell wrote: At 4:38 AM + 3/23/05, John Bell wrote: PS On reflection, since you say the inverted A is beside both notes it's unlikely to be an articulation -- only one instance would appear in that case -- so unless my earlier suggestion of O for open string is wrong it must me something else that applies to each of the two notes. Such as an unorthodox accidental? It's hard to think of something that would need to be applied to each note as opposed to the pair of them. John A fingering would go over the notes. The only sign I can imagine being placed before the notes is a vertical bracket indicating non-divisi. An accidental would only make sense if the key signature needs to be cancelled for those notes. The inverted A shows up on my Mac in the Symbol font and certain math fonts, in the character slot 34, normally taken up by a caesura (railroad tracks for any jazzers out there! // ) in a music font, or quotes in a normal text font. In most math fonts it seems to be the + over a _, except for the Symbol font. In the Wingdings font it seems to be a pair of scissors, which I thought was cute (caesura, means cut? Heh, heh!) It looks to me like you have a different font specified for the caesura than is usual, either because it's a file from someone else and you don't have the font he used on your computer, so it was substituted by another symbol font, or maybe you hit the font button by accident when you were creating or editing it, or else gamma radiation scrambled your printer's or your computer's confused little brain, and a restart of both might clear it up completely. Or you just have to go in and change the font for that one articulation. File corruption happens, and it is nobody's fault. Or maybe (I have seen this) someone created the caesura as a text expression instead of using the supplied articulation. To know for sure, double-click on the thing with the Selection Tool (arrow), and the tool that created it will be selected automatically. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT Giant Steps
Thanks Christopher! I really enjoyed that! I'll be passing this along to many friends and cohorts, and I'm sure my wife will make good use of it as well. This will be perfect to play for her K-4 music classes! I don't think she's had John Coltrane as her Star of the Week yet, and this combining of music and animation offers an ideal opportunity. Don Hart on 3/22/05 2:24 PM, Christopher Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who are fans of John Coltrane, check out this animation. So simple, yet he really seems to hear the piece the way I think a lot of jazz musicians might hear it. It's kind of like a Fantasia (the movie) treatment for jazz nuts. http://michalevy.com/gs_download.html Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] indep.time sig
Dear listers, Though I'm a Fiinale user since vs. 1.0, I'm confronted for years already with the following problem. I like to copy measures with an indep.time sig (say 6/8 in 2/4 or 12/8 in common time) to another staff. But the destination staff remains blank, even when the destination is also prepared with indep. time sig. Copying with time sig checked in measure options (Mass Edit) also refuse the job. Moreover, when I copy 3 meassures, wherein only the 2d is irregular, the 2 regular copy fine but the irregular still stays blank. Am I missing something? Finmac 2k5b, OSX 3.8 Thanks for any advise. Hans You will excuse me for ev. typo's, due to a light visual handicap. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
In a message dated 23/03/2005 14:57:08 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if you have any spyware onyour computer before you start the SP2 install the consequences can bedisastrous. What sort of "disastrous" consequences could we expect to see? All the best, Lawrence "þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg"http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
I'm actually not exactly sure, but that's what Leo Laporte has always said to callers on his technology radio show. I made sure to clean out every trace of spyware before upgrading, so I don't know what might have happened if I hadn't. Brad On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:00:03 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 23/03/2005 14:57:08 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, if you have any spyware on your computer before you start the SP2 install the consequences can be disastrous. What sort of disastrous consequences could we expect to see? All the best, Lawrence þaes ofereode - þisses swa maeg http://lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT spyware
So, if this is not too involved a subject, how do you find and get rid of spyware on your computer (Mac, OS 10), and then how do you distinguish between spyware you don't want, and cookies that identify you on sites where you want auto log ins etc. If this is too involved a subject, a referral to someplace I could learn about this would be appreciated. I know this is not exactly related, but it has come up here, and I'm curious. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
Chuck, Spyware on the Macintosh is not a problem. Cookies are not the same thing as spyware. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: So, if this is not too involved a subject, how do you find and get rid of spyware on your computer (Mac, OS 10), and then how do you distinguish between spyware you don't want, and cookies that identify you on sites where you want auto log ins etc. If this is too involved a subject, a referral to someplace I could learn about this would be appreciated. I know this is not exactly related, but it has come up here, and I'm curious. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
At 3/23/2005 02:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: So, if this is not too involved a subject, how do you find and get rid of spyware on your computer (Mac, OS 10), and then how do you distinguish between spyware you don't want, and cookies that identify you on sites where you want auto log ins etc. The cookie part must be the same as on Windows. Open the cookie. It will have the http site right in it. Hopefully, you can recognize the good ones from the unknown ones. I always delete all cookies at least once a day. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
Chuck Israels / 05.3.23 / 02:07 PM wrote: So, if this is not too involved a subject, how do you find and get rid of spyware on your computer (Mac, OS 10), There is no known spyware to Mac, and it will stay that way, I'd think. On the other hand, on Windows side you need two things: Ad-Aware: http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ and Spybot: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/index.html -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing score and parts
On 22 Mar 2005 at 22:39, John Howell wrote: At 4:04 PM -0500 3/19/05, dhbailey wrote: There is a way to do what you want, it's just that Finale programmers haven't figured out how to do it. :-( My bet is the first notation software which does that (Sibelius, Finale or the newly developping Notion software from http://www.notionmusic.com which may give these two giants a run for their money) first will eventually be the last engraving software standing. It will be such a huge time-saver that everybody using anything else will jump ship and begin using that program. Sadly, not at all the case. Composer's Mosaic did exactly this, automatically and instantaneously, from the very beginning. The key may have been that score and parts are all part of the same file. The downside, of course, is that a mistake entered in EITHER score or parts is instantly transferred to the other, so checking the score for an error in the parts is a waste of time. I'm scratching my head here over exactly what the problem is with this potential circumstance (it's sounds ideal to *me*!), nor how it differs significantly from our present situation with Finale. Was it not just a few days ago that we all chortled over the musician in rehearsal who said it couldn't be a wrong note in the Finale-produced part because it was the same note in the Finale-produced score? And don't all of us attempt to minimize to the greatest degree possible any edits to the musical text that have to be done after the parts are extracted? Is it not the case that many people make the correction in the score, then copy the single system and paste it into the previously extracted part? Would this not duplicate in the part any errors entered into the score? Where's the problem here? To me, it's a completely desirable goal, one to be praised not feared. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
Thanks, I know you guys would know. Nice to know this is not a Mac problem for those of us on this side of things. The sun is shining and it's a beautiful Spring day in Bellingham. I rest easy. Chuck On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:16 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Chuck, Spyware on the Macintosh is not a problem. Cookies are not the same thing as spyware. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 2:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: So, if this is not too involved a subject, how do you find and get rid of spyware on your computer (Mac, OS 10), and then how do you distinguish between spyware you don't want, and cookies that identify you on sites where you want auto log ins etc. If this is too involved a subject, a referral to someplace I could learn about this would be appreciated. I know this is not exactly related, but it has come up here, and I'm curious. TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
At 3/23/2005 02:20 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Chuck Israels / 05.3.23 / 02:07 PM wrote: So, if this is not too involved a subject, how do you find and get rid of spyware on your computer (Mac, OS 10), There is no known spyware to Mac, and it will stay that way, I'd think. It will stay that way as long as Mac has a minuscule % of the market space. Virus writers target dominant systems. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] GPO
I am experiencing a minor GPO issue: I start GPO before opening Finale (2005 Mac - OS X) but Finale says it cannot find the expected GPO Studio 1 through 4 that I have defined as Finale's MIDI out. In Finale's MIDI setup menu, the GPO studios are italicized, however, there are new, non-italicized listings there, and as soon as they are chosen, everything works as expected. This only takes a moment to correct, as I start Finale for the first time, but I'm wondering if I've overlooked something or have set something up incorrectly to produce this result. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
Phil Daley / 05.3.23 / 02:30 PM wrote: It will stay that way as long as Mac has a minuscule % of the market space. I am sorry. It might be my English problem, but I don't understand your point of this post. By the way, you should understand the problem on this subject is VBScript. It only affects to Mac side on M$Word Macro Virus. Just to be clear, you can not write AppleScript and/or shell script virus that runs without operators knowledge. To bring this to on-topic, I want AppleScriptable Finale! -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO
Hi Chuck, We were just talking about this last week -- you must have missed it. This is a Finale 2005 bug. The best thing to turn off Save Preferences on Quit (if it's on) and then set the MIDI Output to None and manually save your prefs. This will avoid triggering the Device not found dialog when you start Finale. You will still have to configure Finale's MIDI Setup manually each time, but for the moment, there's no way around that. If you want Coda to fix it in Fin2006, please drop them a note. (Believe it or not, this bug wasn't even written up until last week!) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 2:49 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I am experiencing a minor GPO issue: I start GPO before opening Finale (2005 Mac - OS X) but Finale says it cannot find the expected GPO Studio 1 through 4 that I have defined as Finale's MIDI out. In Finale's MIDI setup menu, the GPO studios are italicized, however, there are new, non-italicized listings there, and as soon as they are chosen, everything works as expected. This only takes a moment to correct, as I start Finale for the first time, but I'm wondering if I've overlooked something or have set something up incorrectly to produce this result. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
At 2:35 PM -0500 3/23/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, Anyone have any suggestions for a source of inexpensive (i.e., cardboard) music folders (or something that could serve that purpose) -- that *doesn't* have some company's logo splashed all over it? You want inexpensive, you pay by providing them with advertising space. No big deal. Somebody manufactures them, but wouldn't necessarily ship a small number to you. You want free, ask your local music store so THEY'LL get the advertising and the tax writeoff. (We do support local businesses, right? Or are you in NYC; yeah, I guess you are.) John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
At 3/23/2005 02:50 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Phil Daley / 05.3.23 / 02:30 PM wrote: It will stay that way as long as Mac has a minuscule % of the market space. I am sorry. It might be my English problem, but I don't understand your point of this post. Virus writers only write viruses so they will be noticed. Since Apple has such a small marketshare of the computer market, virus writers ignore them. Actually, the first virus I ever had was on a Mac, on System 4(5?) I don't remember. But, because Macs recognized floppy disk insertion and mounted them to the desktop, it was possible to infect a Mac by merely inserting a floppy disk. That has never been true of a windows system. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
On 23 Mar 2005, at 3:01 PM, John Howell wrote: You want inexpensive, you pay by providing them with advertising space. No big deal. It is for me, which is why I bothered posting my question the first place. If I didn't think it was a big deal, I would have just bought the Leblanc folders, wouldn't I? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
At 3:07 PM -0500 3/23/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 23 Mar 2005, at 3:01 PM, John Howell wrote: You want inexpensive, you pay by providing them with advertising space. No big deal. It is for me, which is why I bothered posting my question the first place. If I didn't think it was a big deal, I would have just bought the Leblanc folders, wouldn't I? - Darcy Diff'rent strokes. I was on the road through the entire decade of the '60s and we were perfectly happy to use free music store folders and replace them when they wore out. But perhaps my corollary point wasn't clear. Obviously someone manufactures these folders, and they can probably be tracked down and you could order them unprinted, but I doubt that a manufacturer would be willing to ship in lots of fewer than a thousand, which is kind of overkill for your purposes. And the retailers are ALL going to be using them, even if they lose money on them, for advertising purposes. Of course if you find what you're looking for, by all means let us know. In NYC you just might! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
On Mar 23, 2005, at 3:21 PM, John Howell wrote: Obviously someone manufactures these folders, and they can probably be tracked down and you could order them unprinted, but I doubt that a manufacturer would be willing to ship in lots of fewer than a thousand, which is kind of overkill for your purposes. And the retailers are ALL going to be using them, even if they lose money on them, for advertising purposes. On the other hand, you could order a thousand in basic charcoal grey or black, use sixty (over a few years, say, as they wear out) and sell the others at a small mark-up to other bands who don't want logos, but want cheap music folders, too! I know some guys around here who had the same idea with score and manuscript paper, until computers came along, damn them! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
At 3/23/2005 03:21 PM, John Howell wrote: At 3:07 PM -0500 3/23/05, Darcy James Argue wrote: It is for me, which is why I bothered posting my question the first place. If I didn't think it was a big deal, I would have just bought the Leblanc folders, wouldn't I? Diff'rent strokes. I was on the road through the entire decade of the '60s and we were perfectly happy to use free music store folders and replace them when they wore out. But perhaps my corollary point wasn't clear. Obviously someone manufactures these folders, and they can probably be tracked down and you could order them unprinted, but I doubt that a manufacturer would be willing to ship in lots of fewer than a thousand, which is kind of overkill for your purposes. And the retailers are ALL going to be using them, even if they lose money on them, for advertising purposes. I probably shouldn't say anything since I haven't been following the list for the past month. These are the music store supplied free folders we are talking about that have the store's name on them? We never had to replace them when they wore out. They gave us a huge stock of new ones every year. And I don't think they got much mileage out of them. The store was in Portland, Maine and the school was 100 miles away in central NH. I always told the kids they could write on them and then keep them at the end of the year. Phil Daley AutoDesk http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO 2006
On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:58 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chuck, We were just talking about this last week -- you must have missed it. Hi Darcy, Could have happened while I was away playing in Spain (always fun to be in that country). The scuttlebutt from people at MM is that 2006 is pretty well defined already, and new fixes things are being considered for 2007. (I have asked for a Patterson Beam option to be wired in to the document options in order to avoid the necessity of running a plug in on every document, and there seemed to be some sympathy for that idea for 2007.) I don't know this for sure, but I am inferring from noncommittal hints that one critical issue will be resolved for some of us - the Shift/command/C dialog will separate measure attached smart shapes from measure expressions. At least I have reason to hope for this. Casual conversations with Gary Garritan and Tom Hopkins also indicated that MM is in the process of working on tighter integration with GPO, so there's hope there too. This particular bug is only a small annoyance anyway. It doesn't take me more than a few seconds at the start of my work day to fix it. I will ask MM to look into this anyway, just to add another name to the list of requests. Thanks, Chuck This is a Finale 2005 bug. The best thing to turn off Save Preferences on Quit (if it's on) and then set the MIDI Output to None and manually save your prefs. This will avoid triggering the Device not found dialog when you start Finale. You will still have to configure Finale's MIDI Setup manually each time, but for the moment, there's no way around that. If you want Coda to fix it in Fin2006, please drop them a note. (Believe it or not, this bug wasn't even written up until last week!) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 2:49 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I am experiencing a minor GPO issue: I start GPO before opening Finale (2005 Mac - OS X) but Finale says it cannot find the expected GPO Studio 1 through 4 that I have defined as Finale's MIDI out. In Finale's MIDI setup menu, the GPO studios are italicized, however, there are new, non-italicized listings there, and as soon as they are chosen, everything works as expected. This only takes a moment to correct, as I start Finale for the first time, but I'm wondering if I've overlooked something or have set something up incorrectly to produce this result. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing score and parts
To my question: If one uses ~.etf as the primary storage format for Finale data files, one will not lose access to the data in the files. . .. David Fenton wrote How successful is the import of ETF files in these other programs? How usable are the programs themselves? Do they lack capabilities that Finale has? and I would note that at present I know of two programs that read (though none that write) ~.etf files: Sibelius, and Lilypond, with lilypond doing so through a filter that converts the ~.etf file to a ~.ly one. But the format of the data file is just an arrangement of the data. Since the file structure is public, there is no reason that one could not create a new program to convert the files; this is not possible with Sibelius, since the file strucutre is kept proprietary. The problem I have with these ETF-conversion discussions is that no 3rd parties and no conversion is necessary if MakeMusic would simply do something very, very simple and inexpensive, i.e., set up a key escrow. It's such a small thing that I can't understand why there could be any resistance to such a simple and inexpensive operation. I'd think it would also be quite a selling point in comparison to the competition. Ive been to the MakeMusic offices, personally, a couple of years ago. I saw a number of people in the offices, but I did not see anyone eating drinking. And I do not make any assumption from the fact that neither Allen Fisher, nor the other people I have had the occasion to contact over the years have not discussed eating or drinking in forming an opinion that they do not. By the same token, I can think of good reasons why there might in fact be a key escrow, and why MakeMusic would choose not to even publish the fact, much less use it as a selling point. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing score and parts
On 23 Mar 2005 at 6:13, dhbailey wrote: As for Dennis' fear of losing access to Finale, I agree, it's not paranoid. But copy protection isn't what has done Mosaic in, it's the advancing OS which has left the old code in the dust and the developper of Mosaic decided to pull the plug on the program. Nothing will be able to save Finale into the future once either Windows or MacOS move onto 128-bit programming and the then-current versions won't run any 16-bit apps anymore. That could happen to open-source freeware as easily as to corporate-developped expensive software. Well, yes, it *could* happen, but it could only do so if these conditions were made: 1. there was no compiler available that could compile the old code base to run on the new platforms, AND 2. there was no way to recode certain features of the old code base into a version compatible on the OS. Neither of these things has much likelihood in the time frames we're are discussing here. Yes, it's quite likely if you wait 100 years behind the last release of the open source code base and the effort to compile for current computer programs. It's not very likely if it all takes place within the natural evolution of the software ecosystem. As you all my remember, I program Microsoft Access database applications. I started doing that with version 2.0 back in 1995-96 when the current version of Windows was just beginning the migration from Win3.x (16-bit) to Win95. The NT-based version of Windows was not very widely used, so I didn't worry about it. My 16-bit Access applications ran just fine on Win3.x. They ran even better on Win95. They even ran just fine and dandy with a small amount of permission tweaking on NT 3.51. When Access95 came out, Microsoft had replaced Access Basic with Visual Basic for Applications, and VBA was implemented in all the programs in the Microsoft Office Suite. The changes were minor. Here's an example of a common command and its replacement: DoCmd OpenForm frmMyForm was replaced by: DoCmd.OpenForm frmMyForm Access95 was designed to do those kinds of conversions for you automatically. Indeed, it converted almost everything. Just about the only things that didn't convert were any dependencies on Windows [16- bit] API calls (i.e., outside of Access). I had a couple of existing applications that extensively used 16-bit add-in controls for tabbed dialogs and multiselect listboxes. Access95 implemented both of those natively. Fortunately, one of these applications was being phased out (actually, the companies it was being used by, penny stock trading firms, were just going out of business with the rise of online trading), and the other was used by only a single individual. I never converted either of those apps. But they both still run on every version of Windows that has ever existed since the time they were written. That means Win3.x, Win95, Win98, WinME, NT 3.51, NT 4, Win2K and WinXP (I don't know if it would run on Win2K3 Server, since it has stricter security and might prohibit the installation of 16-bit OCX's; but that's not a workstation OS, though it can be used to host Windows Terminal Server; my bet is that the OCX's could actually be installed and would work). Now, at some point, should MS drop support for 16-bit OCX's (or on a larger scale, for any 16-bit applications), then I'd have to convert. I'd have to keep an older version of Access, since current versions can't convert Access 2 files, and I'd have to remove the OCX's and replace them with the native 32-bit controls. But it's not a big deal. The only reason I never did it for the one remaining user was that it's just easier to install the OCX's on her new PCs than it is to take the time to rip it all out and start over. However, actual conversion is something I can do very, very easily as long as I have the versions of the software that can convert the older files. For right now, this means Access97 (the last to convert from Access 2), as all current versions of Access can convert from Access97. For open-source code, the situation is similar, though at once much simpler and far more complex. One would need a compiler that can deal with the old code, but also would need to convert outside dependencies (like the 16-bit API calls in my old Access apps) on obsolete technologies. It is the fact of having the source code that makes it possible to do the conversion in circumstances where it would otherwise be impossible (absent emulators of the obsolete platforms). -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, Anyone have any suggestions for a source of inexpensive (i.e., cardboard) music folders (or something that could serve that purpose) -- that *doesn't* have some company's logo splashed all over it? Probably not. The folders are probably printed before they are cut, folded and pasted. Your cheapest bet is probably to get folders with some company or other's logo stamped on them, and a supply of adhesive shelf paper in some pattern you consider suitable, and cover the offending logos. Another solution would be to get a supply of poster board (I've not done a poster in so long that I don't know the customary sizes any more), and a sharp hobby knife and rule, and cut and fold your own. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
On 23 Mar 2005 at 10:26, Brad Beyenhof wrote: I'm actually not exactly sure, but that's what Leo Laporte has always said to callers on his technology radio show. I made sure to clean out every trace of spyware before upgrading, so I don't know what might have happened if I hadn't. Why would anyone *not* want to clean out spyware, whether they are installing an OS service pack or not? I still cannot fathom why anyone with any technical knowledge at all would still be using Internet Explorer for anything at all -- it's a terrible program in terms of security, compatibility with standards and usability. It has been vastly surpassed by every other browser available, none of which have even 10% of the dangerous exploits as it. Why anyone would put up with pop-ups (or use a browser that requires add-on software to prevent pop-ups) I can't imagine, especially with all the publicity the alternative browsers have been getting. I have *no* spyware on my PC because I don't use software that is vulnerable to it or that install it itself. Why is it that everyone is not wanting the same thing? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
On 23 Mar 2005 at 13:38, Phil Daley wrote: My daughter brought me two computers to upgrade. Hers was fine, although I had never seen so many spyware/adware on one system before, over 500. What does this number mean? Is this the number that programs like AdAware give for the count of registry keys, files, etc., that it finds? If so, then it's a ridiculously stupid number, as it includes things like Doubleclick cookies, including the opt-out cookie (which is on my PC). Every spyware-infested computer I've ever cleaned up has had 5-15 different spyware programs installed. There may very well be 100s of different bits and pieces in different places, but the actual full spyware programs is substantially smaller than that. I'm not meaning to minimize the problem -- it's a ridiculous problem, one that's caused and enabled by bad business practices throughout the industry (a situation created by MS's bad software designs). But the methods of estimating the extent of an individual PC's infestation seem grossly blown out of proportion. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
On 23 Mar 2005 at 14:16, Darcy James Argue wrote: Spyware on the Macintosh is not a problem. But they *could* be, as much of the spyware on Windows machine is installed along with programs that one desires to install (like Kazaa or WinAmp). Cookies are not the same thing as spyware. But the spyware removal programs consider them to be so, and list them with their other finds. This is one of the objections I have to the way spyware detection is done. Of course, on another level, many cookies *are* used for spying on your browsing habits, as 3rd-party cookies can be used to track your browsing and create a profile of you. That's why you should refuse cookies from companies like RealMedia, Doubleclick and the like. Indeed, I refuse all 3rd-party cookies, and never allow *any* cookies to be saved beyond the current session. If I had a Mac, I'd do the same thing. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
On 23 Mar 2005 at 11:27, Chuck Israels wrote: I know you guys would know. Nice to know this is not a Mac problem for those of us on this side of things. There are two classes of Windows spyware: 1. the things that are installed without your knowledge because of vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer (usually involving some form of deception or obfuscation), AND 2. spyware that is installed as part of the installation of programs that the user has chosen to install. These usually provide the advertising infrastructure that supports free software, and almost all of the programs that carry this kind of payload are used for downloading music. Kazaa and WinAmp are two that I know of that install garbage. So, while type 1 is impossible on the Mac, type 2 is quite possible, and may already be installed. I don't think Mac users should be so self-satisified about the issue as the discussion here has suggested. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
Hey gang, I should have added in the original post that I *definitely* don't want a solution that requires me personally to do any work whatsoever. So stuff like cutting and folding poster board to make a bunch of individual folders is right out. It's not that I don't appreciate the ingenuity behind those suggestions, it's just that I personally have absolutely no interest in doing any of that stuff. I just want to order a set of 20 logo-free folders and be done with it, and I was rather hoping there would be some kind of price point between $0.75/folder (for the be-logo'd versions) and $7.99/folder. Surely, *somebody* out there sells oversize two-pocket cardstock portfolios in plain black (or manilla, or whatever)? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 4:01 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, Anyone have any suggestions for a source of inexpensive (i.e., cardboard) music folders (or something that could serve that purpose) -- that *doesn't* have some company's logo splashed all over it? Probably not. The folders are probably printed before they are cut, folded and pasted. Your cheapest bet is probably to get folders with some company or other's logo stamped on them, and a supply of adhesive shelf paper in some pattern you consider suitable, and cover the offending logos. Another solution would be to get a supply of poster board (I've not done a poster in so long that I don't know the customary sizes any more), and a sharp hobby knife and rule, and cut and fold your own. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
On 23 Mar 2005 at 14:50, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Phil Daley / 05.3.23 / 02:30 PM wrote: It will stay that way as long as Mac has a minuscule % of the market space. I am sorry. It might be my English problem, but I don't understand your point of this post. By the way, you should understand the problem on this subject is VBScript. . . . No, it isn't. . . . It only affects to Mac side on M$Word Macro Virus. Just to be clear, you can not write AppleScript and/or shell script virus that runs without operators knowledge. Phil, as usual, has managed to muddy the waters by screwing up the definitions under discussion. Spyware and viruses are two completely separate issues. Spyware vectors are completely different from virus vectors, and almost always involve uninformed consent to get themselves installed. A common one is the IE Javascript dialog that says Spyware detected! Do you want to remove it? YES/NO and if you click YES it *installs* new spyware. Browsers like FireFox are immune to this because the pop-up dialog can't run (by default FireFox blocks OnOpen javascripts), and even if it did run, the spyware that is installed is almost always ActiveX- based, and ActiveX doesn't run in FireFox (thankfully). But these kinds of exploits *could* be designed to run on Mac browsers because of the fact that many of them install only because the user gives consent to install them (almost always without knowing or understanding that they've consented). To bring this to on-topic, I want AppleScriptable Finale! If AppleScript can write to the file system, it will end up just as vulnerable as VBScript, and could become a vector for virus infections, should someone choose to write them. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT spyware
On 23 Mar 2005, at 4:23 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 23 Mar 2005 at 14:16, Darcy James Argue wrote: Spyware on the Macintosh is not a problem. But they *could* be Sure, it *could* be, David, but right now it isn't. For example, RealPlayer for Windows installs spyware as part of its installation. RealPlayer for Mac doesn't. Obviously, that situation could change at any time, but for the moment there's nothing for Chuck to worry about as there are no confirmed cases of spyware or other malware for Macintosh. Cookies are a different situation entirely, but there are already lots of good tools for dealing with that. Safari can be set to automatically refuse all third-party cookies -- in fact, I think that's the default setting. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] editing score and parts
On 23 Mar 2005 at 14:51, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: To my question: If one uses ~.etf as the primary storage format for Finale data files, one will not lose access to the data in the files. . .. David Fenton wrote How successful is the import of ETF files in these other programs? How usable are the programs themselves? Do they lack capabilities that Finale has? and I would note that at present I know of two programs that read (though none that write) ~.etf files: Sibelius, and Lilypond, with lilypond doing so through a filter that converts the ~.etf file to a ~.ly one. But the format of the data file is just an arrangement of the data. Since the file structure is public, there is no reason that one could not create a new program to convert the files; this is not possible with Sibelius, since the file strucutre is kept proprietary. I'm not asking what is possible. I'm asking WHAT IS IN EXISTENCE right now. What is possible may never ever come to pass, yet you seem to be putting your money on the mere possibility. The problem I have with these ETF-conversion discussions is that no 3rd parties and no conversion is necessary if MakeMusic would simply do something very, very simple and inexpensive, i.e., set up a key escrow. It's such a small thing that I can't understand why there could be any resistance to such a simple and inexpensive operation. I'd think it would also be quite a selling point in comparison to the competition. Ive been to the MakeMusic offices, personally, a couple of years ago. I saw a number of people in the offices, but I did not see anyone eating drinking. And I do not make any assumption from the fact that neither Allen Fisher, nor the other people I have had the occasion to contact over the years have not discussed eating or drinking in forming an opinion that they do not. By the same token, I can think of good reasons why there might in fact be a key escrow, and why MakeMusic would choose not to even publish the fact, much less use it as a selling point. Given that it's hurting sales among their must loyal user base, they would be idiots to choose not to publicize it if it already existed. On another note, I'm not sure why you've chosen to revive this subject yet again. I don't see that you're adding anything new to the discussion at all, just repeating points you've attempted to make in the past. You're free to do that, but I don't see the point of doing so. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO
I thought GPO was not available for Mac users. DEan On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I am experiencing a minor GPO issue: I start GPO before opening Finale (2005 Mac - OS X) but Finale says it cannot find the expected GPO Studio 1 through 4 that I have defined as Finale's MIDI out. In Finale's MIDI setup menu, the GPO studios are italicized, however, there are new, non-italicized listings there, and as soon as they are chosen, everything works as expected. This only takes a moment to correct, as I start Finale for the first time, but I'm wondering if I've overlooked something or have set something up incorrectly to produce this result. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale There are some people, I suspect, who would feel obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in heaven, they found everybody else there as well. Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it could peer over the celestial parapets and watch other unfortunates roasting below. Karen Armstrong Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
www.jwpepper.com has what you're looking for. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, Anyone have any suggestions for a source of inexpensive (i.e., cardboard) music folders (or something that could serve that purpose) -- that *doesn't* have some company's logo splashed all over it? An example of what I *don't* want: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 920100/ I was trying to find something suitable at Staples.com. They carry lots of inexpensive two-pocket cardboard portfolios, but none of them are designed for documents larger than 8.5x11. Any ideas? Nice as they are, I don't really feel like springing for the ProTec ones: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/ 920201/ - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
Hi Darcy, Try these guyshttp://www.vallemusic.com/ They have a heavy cardboard folder with pockets approx. 11 X 14 in size for around $7.00 each...they have 12 in stock and can order more if you need them. Ask for Jim. This is one of the places I get my music supplies and they have always been great. Best, -Karen Hey gang, I should have added in the original post that I *definitely* don't want a solution that requires me personally to do any work whatsoever. So stuff like cutting and folding poster board to make a bunch of individual folders is right out. It's not that I don't appreciate the ingenuity behind those suggestions, it's just that I personally have absolutely no interest in doing any of that stuff. I just want to order a set of 20 logo-free folders and be done with it, and I was rather hoping there would be some kind of price point between $0.75/folder (for the be-logo'd versions) and $7.99/folder. Surely, *somebody* out there sells oversize two-pocket cardstock portfolios in plain black (or manilla, or whatever)? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Mar 2005, at 4:01 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: Hello, Anyone have any suggestions for a source of inexpensive (i.e., cardboard) music folders (or something that could serve that purpose) -- that *doesn't* have some company's logo splashed all over it? Probably not. The folders are probably printed before they are cut, folded and pasted. Your cheapest bet is probably to get folders with some company or other's logo stamped on them, and a supply of adhesive shelf paper in some pattern you consider suitable, and cover the offending logos. Another solution would be to get a supply of poster board (I've not done a poster in so long that I don't know the customary sizes any more), and a sharp hobby knife and rule, and cut and fold your own. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
At the risk of seeming unnecessarily incendiary (I'm not! Promise!), I wonder if anyone else has come across this issue before. I recently upgraded to Finale 2005, and also got a new G5. I used the automatic transfer feature of the G5 to swap all of my files and applications from the eMac to the new machine. The transfer of license of Finale 2004 didn't work using this system, so when I went to open it up on the new machine, it said it was unregistered etc. So then I ring the friendly, supportive distributor to try to get a replacement code for Finale 2004. However because I'm in the system as having upgraded to Finale 2005, apparently it's impossible to give me a new key for Finale 2004. So now my copy of Finale 2004 is unusable. Those of us being able to access legacy versions of the application may be in for a shock sometime down the road when we change computers. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Incorrectly Printing Articulation (?)
John Howell wrote: At 4:38 AM + 3/23/05, John Bell wrote: PS On reflection, since you say the inverted A is beside both notes it's unlikely to be an articulation -- only one instance would appear in that case -- so unless my earlier suggestion of O for open string is wrong it must me something else that applies to each of the two notes. Such as an unorthodox accidental? It's hard to think of something that would need to be applied to each note as opposed to the pair of them. John A fingering would go over the notes. The only sign I can imagine being placed before the notes is a vertical bracket indicating non-divisi. An accidental would only make sense if the key signature needs to be cancelled for those notes. John Fingerings placed before the notes, particularly on chords, aren't entirely unknown (although certainly to be discouraged!) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Folders
On 23 Mar 2005, at 4:50 PM, dhbailey wrote: www.jwpepper.com has what you're looking for. Yes, they do. THANK YOU, David! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
On 23 Mar 2005, at 4:06 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: However because I'm in the system as having upgraded to Finale 2005, apparently it's impossible to give me a new key for Finale 2004. That's not true. I don't know who told you that, but that's absolutely not true. When I installed Fin2004 and 2005 on my new Mac, I was able to register 2005 using the wizard, but I had to call Coda to register 2004 (because I had already done two installations of Fin2004). It was no problem for them to void my old registrations. Then I just used the registration wizard for Fin2004 and everything was fine. So now my copy of Finale 2004 is unusable. Not at all. Somebody at Coda screwed up. Call back and they will fix it. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
Hey Matthew, Hold on a minute: So then I ring the friendly, supportive distributor Why did you contact the distributor? What do they have to do with anything? To the best of my knowlege, Coda handles all activation codes directly. Your distributor shouldn't have anything to do with it, right? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Matthew, Hold on a minute: So then I ring the friendly, supportive distributor Why did you contact the distributor? What do they have to do with anything? To the best of my knowlege, Coda handles all activation codes directly. Your distributor shouldn't have anything to do with it, right? Matthew is in Australia -- perhaps all activation codes have to go through the local distributor. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
dhbailey / 05.3.23 / 05:34 PM wrote: Matthew is in Australia -- perhaps all activation codes have to go through the local distributor. Coda has been responding to auth issues via email to me rather quickly, and I have been very impressed. I move many computers around, y'know :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
On 24 Mar 2005 at 8:06, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: At the risk of seeming unnecessarily incendiary (I'm not! Promise!), I wonder if anyone else has come across this issue before. I recently upgraded to Finale 2005, and also got a new G5. I used the automatic transfer feature of the G5 to swap all of my files and applications from the eMac to the new machine. The transfer of license of Finale 2004 didn't work using this system, so when I went to open it up on the new machine, it said it was unregistered etc. So then I ring the friendly, supportive distributor to try to get a replacement code for Finale 2004. However because I'm in the system as having upgraded to Finale 2005, apparently it's impossible to give me a new key for Finale 2004. So now my copy of Finale 2004 is unusable. Those of us being able to access legacy versions of the application may be in for a shock sometime down the road when we change computers. I haven't read the upgrade EULA, but that's the way it works for upgrades to Microsoft products -- the upgrade voids your license for the old version. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
On 23 Mar 2005, at 5:52 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I haven't read the upgrade EULA, but that's the way it works for upgrades to Microsoft products -- the upgrade voids your license for the old version. That's not how it works for Finale -- never has been. (And there would a full-scale user revolt if they ever tried.) - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More on copy protection - Finale 2004 licenses
Matthew Hindson wrote: So then I ring the friendly, supportive distributor to try to get a replacement code for Finale 2004. However because I'm in the system as having upgraded to Finale 2005, apparently it's impossible to give me a new key for Finale 2004. So now my copy of Finale 2004 is unusable. MakeMusic uses some type of on-line system for verification, and people outside the company have less access than those inside. When I installed 2k5, I did so in the middle of the night, and was able to authenticate with a phone call, which was answered by an outside agency, whose operator provided me the code. When, due to a hard disk malfunction, I had to reinstall, I had to do it during the day, when MakeMusic people themselves were available, because while they had the authoritiy to re-authorize beyond two, the outside people did not. I suspect the distributor has the same situation, and if you persist with the distributor, that they could get the re-authentication for your, or, alternatively, if you contact MakeMusic directly, they can give it to you themselves. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
[...] Why anyone would put up with pop-ups (or use a browser that requires add-on software to prevent pop-ups) I can't imagine, especially with all the publicity the alternative browsers have been getting. Since XP SP2, IE6 has been completely resistant to pop-ups. In this respect, it is noticeably superior to Firefox, the browser I use most often. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
Finale will run just fine on SP2. However, if you have any spyware on your computer before you start the SP2 install the consequences can be disastrous. You should run Ad-Aware Personal from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ to make sure your machine is clear before upgrading the OS to SP2. It can be completely disastrous if the computer is not prepared properly. Check the newsgroup microsoft.public.update for hundreds of horror stories. Prepare the computer according to the instructions at: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm I have not dared to take this step yet! Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Compatability with XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)?
On 23 Mar 2005 at 18:03, Richard Yates wrote: Finale will run just fine on SP2. However, if you have any spyware on your computer before you start the SP2 install the consequences can be disastrous. You should run Ad-Aware Personal from http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ to make sure your machine is clear before upgrading the OS to SP2. It can be completely disastrous if the computer is not prepared properly. Check the newsgroup microsoft.public.update for hundreds of horror stories. Prepare the computer according to the instructions at: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm I have not dared to take this step yet! The instructions there may be very disorganized and quite poorly formatted, but they look like good advice to me. For those who've asked in private email about cleaning up spyware, the two industry leaders are AdAware (from LavaSoft) and SpyBot SearchAndDestroy. You can Google for them. However, a recent study found that these programs still leave some things undetected. If you really want to clean up your computer, this is what you should do: 1. back up all your data. 2. download all the service packs and patches for your operating system so you can install them on a fresh copy of Windows *before* you reconnect to the Internet. You'll probably want to save copies of all the updates and latest virus definitions for your anti-virus program, too. 3. reformat your hard drive. 4. re-install Windows. 5. apply all the service packs and patches. 6. install your anti-virus software, patch it and install the most up- to-date virus definitions (all of which you saved in step 2). 7. connect your computer to your firewall or NAT router (don't connect direct to your cable modem or dialup Internet connection). 8. run Windows update to update everything else that you haven't downloaded. 9. re-install all your programs, except those that are known spyware vectors. See http://cexx.org/adware.htm for information on this and check the list of Advertising Spyware (the most common category that is stealthily installed along with other, useful software). 10. download and install Opera or FireFox. Vow never to use Internet Explorer again. 11. Abandon Outlook Express or Outlook as your email client and get a real email client, like Pegasus Mail, Eudora or Thunderbird (part of the Mozilla suite, a sibling of FireFox). The only way to avoid spyware is to not use any programs that are susceptible to them and to never install software that you haven't checked for know spyware (Googling on spyware and the name of the software should do the job). I have no spyware because I'm not susceptible as I don't use vulnerable programs or install any programs that include spyware. This doesn't cramp my computing at all. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
