[Finale] Fin2005 - spacing of seconds w/Petrucci
For reasons beyond my control, I'm working on a project in Fin2005b with Petrucci as the default font. It's a piano reduction, so proper spacing of seconds would be nice, but for some reason the horizontal displacement is off. Is this a Petrucci vs. Maestro issue? Is there somewhere I can adjust the default amount of displacement when spacing seconds? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tie Question
Hi, Everyone - Just thought I'd update you on this. I finally called MakeMusic's tech support to ask if there's a way to do this tie thing. He said there isn't, but offered a work-around that did okay. I just put in multiple slurs on that chord and then placed them to look like the 3 notes were tied... Seems Finale should be able to handle something as common as this, but at least that made it look right! - Jacki On May 2, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Éric Dussault wrote: Le 06-05-02 à 21:47, Jacki Barineau a écrit : I'm having another problem with a needed backwards tie that's not working :( It's right after a repeat sign. The last beat of the measure with the repeat contains an Eb chord (Eb, G, Bb) that has a tie I've shortened in length to go with the first chord in the first measure that gets repeated... No problem there. The problem is with the first chord in the measure after the measure with the repeat sign. It seem that it doesn't work in this situation. It would if you had a tie end starting a second ending. sorry. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Extracting Notes From Chords
Hi, Everyone... Is there some way to extract, for example, the top note in every chord in a song? Or the middle note or bottom note? I have a song that is 3-part harmony, all on 1 staff, no layers. Can this be done simply, or do I have to manually erase the notes I don't want?! What I'm wanting is to make a separate file for each of the 3 parts. Thanks! Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
On May 4, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Remember that 'document' does not necessarily mean 'composition'. Some of these tweaks are related to wanting to put together numerous 'examples' as part of a worksheet or handout, without having to export the graphics and import them into another application (a sure indication that Finale's limits have been reached!) Seriously, thoughI've dealt with music where one section was new-complexity-style notation, with lots of beams, in which long stems for crotchets is essential for them to be seen, contrasted with aleatoric sections where normal stem lengths would have been suitable. Yes, I've come across things like this too, like wanting beams across rests with half-stemlets only for a certain section of a piece, only to be stymied. At least longer stems CAN be done for a section, albeit manually. Thicker is, of course, a kludge. It might be nice to have more options available as staff styles. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On 4 May 2006 at 9:19, Christopher Smith wrote: > On May 4, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: > > > > What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know > > about making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but > > I wish it were easier). > > I understand about the dashed hairpins (two dashed Smart Lines would > be an enormous pain to align, especially if there were a whole bunch > of them) but once again, I'm having trouble getting my brain around > dashed ties. What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? How > would you like that implemented that would be easier? Because slurs and ties don't have the same shape. Have you ever tried making a slur the same shape as a tie? It's just not that easy. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith > Sent: 04 May 2006 20:53 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question > (Eek,I openeda can of worms) > > > > On May 4, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: > >>> > >>> The Staff Style stem settings don't let you change the normal stem > >>> length or the stem line thickness. These can only be > done globally, > >>> which I've found to be an issue in the past. > >> > >> The endpoint away from the notehead is the stem length. It can be > >> changed in a Staff Style. > >> > > > > You mean the 'use vertical offset for beam end' option? It doesn't > > appear to modify the normal stem length in the same way as > in Document > > Settings, but rather extends all stems to a particular horizontal > > position. > > > > > Oopsie! My fault for not checking. > > I can't see it being very difficult from a programming point > of view to > include all the stem options in a staff style. Request it, and they > might be able to implement it. > > > > >> It's true that you can't make the stems THINNER, but you can > >> make them > >> thicker by overlaying a note expression or articulation that > >> is set to > >> position automatically. You could even make thin stems by > hiding the > >> stems completely and adding a thin stem line as an expression. Once > >> again, if you set it up carefully to auto position, you could > >> work very > >> quickly from then on. I could see how you could hold down the thick > >> stem articulation metatool, drag over an entire passage, > and when you > >> release the mouse, every note has a thick stem. > >> > > > > The whole point of this exchange is to identify failures in the > > software. Having to jump through these hoops to achieve > something very > > simple, because it can only have one setting per document, > is a failing > > in my eyes. > > > > I dunno, this kind of thing is so rare, don't you think, that > it might > not make much sense to have a feature specifically for it, especially > when a workaround IS relatively simple. > > Stem connections are one thing (these should work properly, in the > expected context) but different stem thicknesses in the same > document? Remember that 'document' does not necessarily mean 'composition'. Some of these tweaks are related to wanting to put together numerous 'examples' as part of a worksheet or handout, without having to export the graphics and import them into another application (a sure indication that Finale's limits have been reached!) Seriously, thoughI've dealt with music where one section was new-complexity-style notation, with lots of beams, in which long stems for crotchets is essential for them to be seen, contrasted with aleatoric sections where normal stem lengths would have been suitable. > There are so many things that don't work that ARE much more common, > like ossias, chord symbol transposition in no-key-sig > transposed parts, > pickup measures, lyric spacing, chord symbol spacing, figured bass, > chord suffix kerning, font embedding in EPS, the list goes on... > Can't deny any of this! (And as of the past few weeks, add me to the "figured bass" cries!) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question
Owain Sutton wrote: Off the top of my head, this is the start of my wishlist for improvements and extensions to Finale's capabilities, in no particular order (if any of them can be done in a way I'm not realising, please tell me!): A better implementation of microtones (or even just a simple preset that enables quartertonality) Duration-linked geometric shapes. The example I've got in mind is where they were used to indicate the compass to be used in an improvised section, with the compass expanding and contracting at various points. How about a box (and a circle or oval) in the Smart Shapes palette. The kludges we have to go through to get a simple box to appear in a score are rather torturous I feel - and god help you if you copy one and then adjust the copied one... More flexibility and ease of application of custom noteheads, and 'smart' stem connections which would automatically attach to the edge of a notehead (even if they then may need subsequent adjustment). Less global document settings. Far too many things cannot be adjusted for just a section of a document. (Stem lengths, stave line widths, 4/4 vs. C, just three that come to mind). Implementation of irrational time signatures (2/10, 7/24 etc.) And how about being able to have any character (or font) as the numerator or denominator. Feathered beams, in a way which doesn't involve massive fudging and manual tweaking. Philip Aker and I were working on a plugin for this and Philip got it to a working stage. It was great! Just select "Feathered Beams: Fast to Slow" or "Slow to Fast" or manually enter the settings, and it did it. It worked under OS9. Perhaps if Makemusic are still in contact with Philip they could pay him to revive this. A "respace music" command in Finale Notepad would be nice too. Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-04 à 09:19, Christopher Smith a écrit : What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? Christopher, Finale's slur is not tapered like a real slur. It's only a curved line. It simply doesn't look professional. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-04 à 08:31, Scot Hanna-Weir a écrit : What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish it were easier). That's one of my most wanted feature. Something I talk about for years. At least I am not alone. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Triplet pickups - bug
On May 4, 2006, at 3:32 PM, Phil Daley wrote: At 5/4/2006 02:43 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: >I haven't run into THIS particular bug, but I have run into so many >other bugs using the Setup Wizard's pickup measure feature that I >stopped using it a long time ago. I create all my pickup measures >manually, using TIme Signature tool>Other Options>Display As... I would >have bar 1 display as 4/4 but actually be a bar of 2/4. This works >perfectly every time. Yes, I gave up on pickups. I just use the first measure and hide the unnecessary rests. If you do this, then the measure doesn't space correctly. My method does space properly, but you have to set the minimum measure width to something small. You can change the (now) 2nd measure to be 1. Yes, absolutely! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
On May 4, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: The Staff Style stem settings don't let you change the normal stem length or the stem line thickness. These can only be done globally, which I've found to be an issue in the past. The endpoint away from the notehead is the stem length. It can be changed in a Staff Style. You mean the 'use vertical offset for beam end' option? It doesn't appear to modify the normal stem length in the same way as in Document Settings, but rather extends all stems to a particular horizontal position. Oopsie! My fault for not checking. I can't see it being very difficult from a programming point of view to include all the stem options in a staff style. Request it, and they might be able to implement it. It's true that you can't make the stems THINNER, but you can make them thicker by overlaying a note expression or articulation that is set to position automatically. You could even make thin stems by hiding the stems completely and adding a thin stem line as an expression. Once again, if you set it up carefully to auto position, you could work very quickly from then on. I could see how you could hold down the thick stem articulation metatool, drag over an entire passage, and when you release the mouse, every note has a thick stem. The whole point of this exchange is to identify failures in the software. Having to jump through these hoops to achieve something very simple, because it can only have one setting per document, is a failing in my eyes. I dunno, this kind of thing is so rare, don't you think, that it might not make much sense to have a feature specifically for it, especially when a workaround IS relatively simple. Stem connections are one thing (these should work properly, in the expected context) but different stem thicknesses in the same document? There are so many things that don't work that ARE much more common, like ossias, chord symbol transposition in no-key-sig transposed parts, pickup measures, lyric spacing, chord symbol spacing, figured bass, chord suffix kerning, font embedding in EPS, the list goes on... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Triplet pickups - bug
At 5/4/2006 02:43 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: >I haven't run into THIS particular bug, but I have run into so many >other bugs using the Setup Wizard's pickup measure feature that I >stopped using it a long time ago. I create all my pickup measures >manually, using TIme Signature tool>Other Options>Display As... I would >have bar 1 display as 4/4 but actually be a bar of 2/4. This works >perfectly every time. Yes, I gave up on pickups. I just use the first measure and hide the unnecessary rests. You can change the (now) 2nd measure to be 1. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith > Sent: 04 May 2006 19:56 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question > (Eek,I openeda can of worms) > > > > On May 4, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: > >> You can enter the half-sharps and whatnot as > >> articulations, > >> and they will be automatically placed and spaced (except > for chords, > >> yikes!) though you won't get microtonal playback. (Frankly, the > >> barriers involved in correct microtonal playback of harmony > >> instruments > >> is so great I'm not sure it is doable in normal MIDI. > >> Individual notes > >> in single lines, of course, are fine.) > >> > > > > > > Yes, I meant key signature ;) > > > > This sounds like a fudge masquerading as a well-designed > > implementation. > > Entering them as articulations doesn't sound very helpful > when dealing > > with transposition, for instance. > > > > I'm not trying to sound difficult here, but how exactly would > you like > microtones implemented, and how would they transpose? I have > only dealt > with quarter tones, and I would rather spell them manually on > transposed parts than depend on Finale to spell them correctly. The > articulations-as-quarter sharp or flat actually work very well with > metatools; very fast and dependable. You DO have to check transposed > parts, of course. > > I'm trying to imagine the interface, and I'm failing. Maybe > shift + for > half sharp? Then what would 3/4 sharp be? Maybe shift + on a > note that > already has a sharp? But then there are all kinds of other divisions, > like 1/3 sharp or flat, and how would you enter those? > Once I get a microtonal key signature set up, yes, I use the +1/2 and -1/2 options in Simple Entry to modify pitches up and down through the range of accidentals. And I don't see why it's unreasonable to expect transposition to work correctly - especially as such scores are more likely to be in C and therefore need transposed parts when extracted. > > >> What more do you need than length, > >> endpoints, and > >> horizontal placement that can't be done with note > >> expressions? Can you > >> be more specific? > >> > >> > > > > The Staff Style stem settings don't let you change the normal stem > > length or the stem line thickness. These can only be done globally, > > which I've found to be an issue in the past. > > The endpoint away from the notehead is the stem length. It can be > changed in a Staff Style. > You mean the 'use vertical offset for beam end' option? It doesn't appear to modify the normal stem length in the same way as in Document Settings, but rather extends all stems to a particular horizontal position. > It's true that you can't make the stems THINNER, but you can > make them > thicker by overlaying a note expression or articulation that > is set to > position automatically. You could even make thin stems by hiding the > stems completely and adding a thin stem line as an expression. Once > again, if you set it up carefully to auto position, you could > work very > quickly from then on. I could see how you could hold down the thick > stem articulation metatool, drag over an entire passage, and when you > release the mouse, every note has a thick stem. > The whole point of this exchange is to identify failures in the software. Having to jump through these hoops to achieve something very simple, because it can only have one setting per document, is a failing in my eyes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
On May 4, 2006, at 11:22 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: You can enter the half-sharps and whatnot as articulations, and they will be automatically placed and spaced (except for chords, yikes!) though you won't get microtonal playback. (Frankly, the barriers involved in correct microtonal playback of harmony instruments is so great I'm not sure it is doable in normal MIDI. Individual notes in single lines, of course, are fine.) Yes, I meant key signature ;) This sounds like a fudge masquerading as a well-designed implementation. Entering them as articulations doesn't sound very helpful when dealing with transposition, for instance. I'm not trying to sound difficult here, but how exactly would you like microtones implemented, and how would they transpose? I have only dealt with quarter tones, and I would rather spell them manually on transposed parts than depend on Finale to spell them correctly. The articulations-as-quarter sharp or flat actually work very well with metatools; very fast and dependable. You DO have to check transposed parts, of course. I'm trying to imagine the interface, and I'm failing. Maybe shift + for half sharp? Then what would 3/4 sharp be? Maybe shift + on a note that already has a sharp? But then there are all kinds of other divisions, like 1/3 sharp or flat, and how would you enter those? What more do you need than length, endpoints, and horizontal placement that can't be done with note expressions? Can you be more specific? The Staff Style stem settings don't let you change the normal stem length or the stem line thickness. These can only be done globally, which I've found to be an issue in the past. The endpoint away from the notehead is the stem length. It can be changed in a Staff Style. It's true that you can't make the stems THINNER, but you can make them thicker by overlaying a note expression or articulation that is set to position automatically. You could even make thin stems by hiding the stems completely and adding a thin stem line as an expression. Once again, if you set it up carefully to auto position, you could work very quickly from then on. I could see how you could hold down the thick stem articulation metatool, drag over an entire passage, and when you release the mouse, every note has a thick stem. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Triplet pickups - bug
On May 4, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Stephen Lamb wrote: I worked on a project last week where I ran into the following problem: The time signature was 4/4, with a two beat pickup at the top of the song. The cellos had a quarter note triplet, with the other instruments resting. It looks great onscreen, the score prints out correctly, but when you extract parts it strips all triplets from the pickup measure and leaves the last notes in the measure converted to full value. So in this case instead of quarter note triplets F-G-A, I just had two quarters - G-A. I just checked, and it does the same thing with 8th note triplets. I created the pickup measure using the Document Setup Wizard. Has anyone else run into this? I haven't run into THIS particular bug, but I have run into so many other bugs using the Setup Wizard's pickup measure feature that I stopped using it a long time ago. I create all my pickup measures manually, using TIme Signature tool>Other Options>Display As... I would have bar 1 display as 4/4 but actually be a bar of 2/4. This works perfectly every time. Report this bug. I have done so several times with other bugs, mostly involving changing the pickup measure's size and value, as my students keep running into problems too. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Keeps Changing Chord Name!
On May 4, 2006, at 2:15 PM, Rafael wrote: Chord tool menu. Uncheck the simplify spelling option. That should do it. THANK you! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Keeps Changing Chord Name!
Chord tool menu. Uncheck the simplify spelling option. That should do it. Rafael Velasco On 4 May 2006 at 14:05, Jacki Barineau wrote: > Hi, Everyone... > > I'm trying to put a Cbmaj9 chord symbol in the key of Gb major but > every time I enter it, Finale changes it to read "Bmaj9". How can I > make it leave it as a Cbmaj9??!! > > Thanks! > > Jacki > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 03/05/2006 > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Keeps Changing Chord Name!
Hi, Everyone... I'm trying to put a Cbmaj9 chord symbol in the key of Gb major but every time I enter it, Finale changes it to read "Bmaj9". How can I make it leave it as a Cbmaj9??!! Thanks! Jacki ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Triplet pickups - bug
I worked on a project last week where I ran into the following problem: The time signature was 4/4, with a two beat pickup at the top of the song. The cellos had a quarter note triplet, with the other instruments resting. It looks great onscreen, the score prints out correctly, but when you extract parts it strips all triplets from the pickup measure and leaves the last notes in the measure converted to full value. So in this case instead of quarter note triplets F-G-A, I just had two quarters - G-A. I just checked, and it does the same thing with 8th note triplets. I created the pickup measure using the Document Setup Wizard. Has anyone else run into this? Thanks, Stephen Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Distance *between* staves: how to make for a tighter fit.
At 11:08 AM 5/4/2006, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: >>On the other hand, if I know that I want the staves all spaced evenly, >>I'll drag the next to top staff to where I want it, and using the Staff >>usage item in the drop down menu, see what the difference is between the >>setting and the top staff setting, take the difference, Wouldn't it just be easier in this case to use Respace Staves? It may take a little trial and error, but at least you're moving all staves proportionately at the same time and don't need to do any math or enter values into the Staff Usage dialog boxes. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
> > On May 4, 2006, at 2:42 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: > > > > > > >> > >> Bill Duncan's Finale fonts has this, and it is a piece of > cake to use > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> This, coupled with a really good microtonal implementation, > >> is one of > >>> the things that would swing me to *cough* other software > >>> > >> > > > > > > Do you mean it just has the fonts? And that you still have to go > > through the ridiculous 'nonstandard time signature' > procedure to set up > > microtones properly? > > > > You must have meant "nonstandard KEY signature" but no, you > don't have > to do this. You can enter the half-sharps and whatnot as > articulations, > and they will be automatically placed and spaced (except for chords, > yikes!) though you won't get microtonal playback. (Frankly, the > barriers involved in correct microtonal playback of harmony > instruments > is so great I'm not sure it is doable in normal MIDI. > Individual notes > in single lines, of course, are fine.) > Yes, I meant key signature ;) This sounds like a fudge masquerading as a well-designed implementation. Entering them as articulations doesn't sound very helpful when dealing with transposition, for instance. > On May 3, 2006, at 7:01 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: > > > >>> > >>> 'Beat-attached' expressions. > >> > >> Already there and always has been, at least since v3.0. > >> > >> > > > > Having read the replies, I still don't get it. It's not > there in the > > Expression Designer (unless it's an anonymous default option or > > summat). > > It's there if I double-click to enter an expression, but > that doesn't > > help for pre-defining one. > > > > I think you've lost us here Yep, I think I was trying to make a couple of points in one, I'll take another look at the file it was annoying me with to remind myself what the problem was. > > > > > > >>> Less global document settings. Far too many things cannot > >> be adjusted > >>> for just a section of a document. (Stem lengths, > >> > >> > >> Staff Styles - the list of things that can be changed includes Stem > >> Settings (under Items to Display, weird), which seems to > include stem > >> attachments and lengths, which might kill two of your problem birds > >> with one stone... > >> > >> > > > > Doesn't seem to have the same choices as Document Options - Stems > > > > I'm mystified, then. What more do you need than length, > endpoints, and > horizontal placement that can't be done with note > expressions? Can you > be more specific? > > The Staff Style stem settings don't let you change the normal stem length or the stem line thickness. These can only be done globally, which I've found to be an issue in the past. > > > >>> A spellchecker which is designed to deal with common musical > >>> instructions and terminology. > >>> > >> > >> This could be a plugin, if someone wanted to make it. > >> > > > > A dictionary needs to be more than a plugin! To be useful, > it needs to > > be good, from day one. That perhaps is the biggest problem. > > > > I'm sorry, I didn't understand your objection. One could make > a plugin > that uses any dictionary one wants, can't one? OK, fair point! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Distance *between* staves: how to make for a tighter fit.
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Manually sounds great, my biggest concern is that throughout a long composition this won't be consistent? How do I make sure everything is exactly the same? Thanks If by manually you mean dragging the handle, if you drag the upper handle, you adjust that staff throughout the entire work; if you drag the lower handle, you drag the staff for the given system. If you drag the lower handle first, then the upper one, you the move is additive; that is, the total amount you have moved the staff for the system in which you selected the lower handle is the distance you moved the upper handle, and the distance you moved the lower one. My usual procedure is to move the staves with the upper handle to get the spacing the way I want for the greatest part of the work, then, if certain systems need further adjustment (as for example, when the alto part lies unusually low, and I need lyrics beneath it) then to drag the upper handle. On the other hand, if I know that I want the staves all spaced evenly, I'll drag the next to top staff to where I want it, and using the Staff usage item in the drop down menu, see what the difference is between the setting and the top staff setting, take the difference, and enter the values needed to get the staves the same distance apart. So, if the spacing for the top staff is -.250, and I adjust the spacing of the second staf and find it is -1.1, I find the difference (.85), and subtract that from the value for staff three, which would be -1.95, and staff four, which would be 2.8, &c. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Distance *between* staves: how to make for a tighter fit.
At 10:14 AM 5/4/2006, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: >Manually sounds great, my biggest concern is that throughout a long composition >this won't be consistent? How do I make sure everything is exactly the same? Unless you've optimized the systems (Page Layout | Optimize Staff Systems), then changes made in one system will carry through to all other systems. If you've optimized your systems, you'll notice that each staff now has two handles on the left. Dragging the top one will affect the spacing for all systems, as with unoptimized systems. Dragging the bottom one will affect spacing for that system only. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On 5/4/06 8:19 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 4, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: >> >> What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about >> making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish >> it were >> easier). >> > > I understand about the dashed hairpins (two dashed Smart Lines would be > an enormous pain to align, especially if there were a whole bunch of > them) but once again, I'm having trouble getting my brain around dashed > ties. What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? How would you > like that implemented that would be easier? > > Christopher My reason for wanting dashed ties is that they are implemented differently from slurs in finale. Contours, thicknesses and positioning can all be defined differently for ties than for slurs, and especially in terms of positioning and contour, our ties are different from our slurs, and so any time I enter a dashed tie as a slur, I have to manually redraw and reposition that entry. I do that, and it's okay, but it'd be nice if in the advanced tools I could just check a box. Obviously, this is just a dream feature, as I'm sure most people would have very little use for it. Blame our editorial style if you must. =) -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Distance *between* staves: how to make for a tighter fit.
Manually sounds great, my biggest concern is that throughout a long composition this won't be consistent? How do I make sure everything is exactly the same?Thanks On 5/3/06, Noel Stoutenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote:> Hi everyone:>> I am trying to do two things:> > I want to keep the current size of my staffs/staves.>> BUT I want to decrease the distance between them, in the hope of> getting three systems per page versus the two I have now.You can change the spacing between staves a couple of ways: graphically, in page view, select the staff tool, and at the left ofeach at the left of each staff, on the top staff line is one handle (ifyou have not optimized sytesm) or two (if you have optimized). Selecting the handle (the top one, if stavex are optimized) allows youto move the staff up or down, as you find necessary. If there are twohandles the lower selects only the current staff.If you want more precise control, select the staff tool, and from the staff drop-down menu, select "staff usage." This is not well-named,IMO; the staff useage dialog allows you to specify the offset from thetop of the system of each staff. If you have optimized systems, and select the lower handle before accessing the drop-down menu, it worksthe same way, but is limited to the present system.ns___Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale-- Kim Patrick Clow"There's really only two types of music: good and bad." ~ Rossini ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
I had no idea that this limitation was there. Thanks for pointing it out. I would report it to MM as a bug. > > Stem connections only get applied when the notehead font has been > changed with a staff style. Not if you change the font with the > Notehead Tool (surely the obvious place to do so). > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On May 4, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote: What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish it were easier). I understand about the dashed hairpins (two dashed Smart Lines would be an enormous pain to align, especially if there were a whole bunch of them) but once again, I'm having trouble getting my brain around dashed ties. What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? How would you like that implemented that would be easier? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I opened a can of worms)
On May 3, 2006, at 7:01 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: 'Beat-attached' expressions. Already there and always has been, at least since v3.0. Having read the replies, I still don't get it. It's not there in the Expression Designer (unless it's an anonymous default option or summat). It's there if I double-click to enter an expression, but that doesn't help for pre-defining one. I think you've lost us here. When it is so easy to position an expression at beat 2.5 with a click and three keystrokes, why would it need to be predefined? What kind of expressions are you using that need to ALWAYS be placed at the same beat (that isn't beat one, which can be predefined)? Mine usually need to be placed in relation to a note, or a bar, or the start of music, or something that is easily found in the positioning boxes. When I DO need to place something like a rit. to start on beat 2.5, I can do it, with a few keystrokes and the next time I need it to start on 3.5 I don't need to create another expression; I just give it a new position. Don't take my arguments here as any sort of denial of your needs; you have come up with a bunch of valid points on other subjects, but if there is a way of accomplishing something relatively rare that is relatively easy, I don't think MakeMusic is going to add a feature. Less global document settings. Far too many things cannot be adjusted for just a section of a document. (Stem lengths, Staff Styles - the list of things that can be changed includes Stem Settings (under Items to Display, weird), which seems to include stem attachments and lengths, which might kill two of your problem birds with one stone... Doesn't seem to have the same choices as Document Options - Stems I'm mystified, then. What more do you need than length, endpoints, and horizontal placement that can't be done with note expressions? Can you be more specific? stave line widths, You're right, the thickness of staff lines cannot be individually adjusted, but the spacing can (if that's what you meant), once again in Staff Styles. You can also set the staff to be bigger, if that might help, or hide the staff lines completely in Staff Styles and/or overlay them with Smart Lines at the appropriate thickness. Nope, it's staff lines that I wanted to change. Only one occasion, for one situation, but it's a failure of the software if it makes it impossible to do this within one file. It's not impossible, it's just a pain. You can hide the lines and re-enter them as Smart Lines of whatever thickness you like. Since it's only one occasion, it shouldn't be too bad. It's a bit hard to justify a feature like this when the need only shows up once, and it can be kludged. You may have trouble gaining support on this one. A spellchecker which is designed to deal with common musical instructions and terminology. This could be a plugin, if someone wanted to make it. A dictionary needs to be more than a plugin! To be useful, it needs to be good, from day one. That perhaps is the biggest problem. I'm sorry, I didn't understand your objection. One could make a plugin that uses any dictionary one wants, can't one? I was trying to give you some good news. MakeMusic would not have to re-write any code for you to get this; all it would take is a plugin writer. Custom words (like many musical terms) can be added to personal dictionaries. But the problems with musical terminology is usage more often than spelling, and a spellchecker might be of limited effectiveness. Something along the lines of a full dictionary would be more useful, but needs someone dedicated to implement it. Because I use a Mac, I already have something like this: Services from the Finale menu. I can select Antidote Prism (a French-language speller, verb conjugator, dictionary, thesaurus and grammatical tool) to check my French, and the options are quite extensive. Frankly, it's way beyond anything I have ever seen in English, and Finale could never come up with anything to match it, so I will keep using Antidote for my French. Christopher (BTW, the slogan for Antidote is "le remède à tous vos mots" which means "the remedy for all your words" but the word "mots" is a homonym for "maux", the usual word in the expression, which means "ills". So it's "the remedy for all your ills." Cute little pun. You can laugh about it while using the program to look up what it means.) 8-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
On May 4, 2006, at 2:42 AM, Owain Sutton wrote: Bill Duncan's Finale fonts has this, and it is a piece of cake to use This, coupled with a really good microtonal implementation, is one of the things that would swing me to *cough* other software Do you mean it just has the fonts? And that you still have to go through the ridiculous 'nonstandard time signature' procedure to set up microtones properly? You must have meant "nonstandard KEY signature" but no, you don't have to do this. You can enter the half-sharps and whatnot as articulations, and they will be automatically placed and spaced (except for chords, yikes!) though you won't get microtonal playback. (Frankly, the barriers involved in correct microtonal playback of harmony instruments is so great I'm not sure it is doable in normal MIDI. Individual notes in single lines, of course, are fine.) I greatly suspect that MakeMusic is not going to waste time implementing an improvement of something that is already doable with no great kludging, at least in print. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
On 5/3/06 5:33 PM, "Chuck Israels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 3, 2006, at 2:16 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> >> Amen. And while we're at it, how about swell and reverse-swell >> hairpins? >> > > If you really need these, Bill Duncan has a smart shape "hairpin" > font that does exactly this. > > And sure, I'd like to see this and other add-ons included in Finale. > What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish it were easier). -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Middleton, WI -- www.areditions.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
Le 06-05-04 à 06:45, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz a écrit : I think that stem connections get applied when changing with the notehead tool. It does that for me. Though it would be nice if all the characters had a stem connections library. I don't see one. Dennis Stem connections will work with the notehead tool if you stay with the same font. If you change the font of the notehead, then you'll need to apply a staff style defined with this font as notehead. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek,I openeda can of worms)
At 07:42 AM 5/4/2006 +0100, Owain Sutton wrote: >Stem connections only get applied when the notehead font has been >changed with a staff style. Not if you change the font with the >Notehead Tool (surely the obvious place to do so). I think that stem connections get applied when changing with the notehead tool. It does that for me. Though it would be nice if all the characters had a stem connections library. I don't see one. Dennis Please participate in my 2007 project: http://maltedmedia.com/waam/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
