Re: [Finale] (OT) was alto as tenor?
On 08.09.2007 John Howell wrote: Yes, and every time this difference among high and low Kammerton and high and low Chorton comes up I have to stop and relearn it. I doubt that they refer to specific frequencies, because I'm not sure the technology existed to measure specific frequencies. The technique existed, hence we now know. I don't remember the details, but there is a historical table listing the organ pitches in the whole of the North of Germany. It is given in the new Musik in Geschichte und Gegenwart, and that article on pitch and tuning is pretty good. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT Historical performance; Was: alto as tenor?
Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly no modern vibrato, but no vibrato would be just as wrong... In fact I am absolutely more vibrato was done in Bach's time than between 1750 and 1850. A controversal view, I know. I would be interested to hear your reasons and evidence, especially for a reduction in its use c. 1750. Spohr (c. 1840) I know, and Joachim (c.1909) I been told, describe vibrato as an embellishment to be used on particular notes, possibly more by soloists than by ripieno players. -- Ken Moore ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] alto as tenor?
Andrew Stiller wrote: On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote: I have always wondered about the case of the F trumpet in the second Brandenburg -- could this have been written for a situation in which the strings and ww. played at a Kammerton and the trumpeter used a high pitched but nominally Eb or even D trumpet? What then of the recorder and oboe? I think that what he's saying is that perhaps the Eb or D trumpet was pitched high enough to match the pitch of the recorder and oboe. Of course that makes the trumpet be a trumpet in F, no matter what it was called when it was built, if it could match the oboe and recorder. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Re: [Finale] alto as tenor?
I specifically mentioned the woodwinds; instruments have survived at low pitches, as much as a whole tone lower than an A440, and such low Kammertons -- for example the French chamber tone of A394, circa a whole tone lower than A440, and in fashion through the middle of the 18th century -- have been noted. In any case there was an extreme fluidity in pitch standards, and players had to have been flexible. Take the examples of voice flutes: are they tenor recorders in d, or very high pitched c tenors, or might they be low pitched eb or even e instruments? Several recorders in a modern eb survive -- are they low-pitched f altos, or high-pitched voice flutes? The transposition virtuosity implied by organ pitch standards has been mentioned before in this thread. The great anomaly in the Second Brandenburg in the Trumpet in F. Although a very different F trumpet would very much later become a standard instrument, the standard trumpet of Bach's day was in D. But that D might have been a high D (as high, perhaps as Haydn's Eb?), and relative to ensembles playing in low Kammerton, might have been usable as an instrument in F. Daniel Wolf Andrew Stiller wrote: On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Daniel Wolf wrote: I have always wondered about the case of the F trumpet in the second Brandenburg -- could this have been written for a situation in which the strings and ww. played at a Kammerton and the trumpeter used a high pitched but nominally Eb or even D trumpet? What then of the recorder and oboe? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] O.T. (Speaking of Dances): 1st and 2nd Lines over staves
Hi all: I have a Menuet dance movement, The structure is ||: 8 Bars :|| ||: 8 Bars :|| then the trio ||: 8 bars:|| ||: 8 Bars:|| That last 8 bar section has a first and 2nd ending with a cue to da capo the menuet. My question is about the 2nd line-- should I use the horizontal line, because the menuet is really being repeated, or should I just use the 2nd line with the downward hook, because it denotes really the end of the trio section? There is a text expression that is written under the system stating Da Capo Menuet. Thanks in advance! Kim -- Kim Patrick Clow Early Music enthusiasts think outside the Bachs! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
dc wrote: Barbara Touburg écrit: Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. Well, a berceuse isn't a dance but a lullaby... There may be some overlap. I've played in numerous dance bands where I came close to falling asleep. ; cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
In what period? There is, for instance, an exhaustive discussion with bibliography on Mozart's tempos at: www.mozart-tempi.net Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 09.09.2007, at 16:12, Barbara Touburg wrote: Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
On second thought I think the tempo can, within a certain range, be pretty subjective; compare Chopins Op.57 with Stravinsky's Berceuse from the Firebird. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 09.09.2007, at 16:12, Barbara Touburg wrote: Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
At 4:12 PM +0200 9/9/07, Barbara Touburg wrote: Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. There may be, but be aware that it is likely based on conjecture. One of the problems is that tempos for named dances changed over time. I think it was the Sarabande that originated in the Caribbean as a fast, lascivious dance, in the early 17th century but became the slowest of the French theatrical dances a century later. And Lully's minuets were either faster or slower than Mozart's, but I can never remember whether they got faster or slower during their century of popularity. One way to make sure you're at least close is to learn the dance steps themselves, and one discovers that the tempo RANGE for any given dance was actually rather narrow. But is the Berceuse actually a dance? I've always thought of it as more of a lullaby. time out Yes, New Grove I agrees with me: a character piece rather than a dance piece. Find the tempo that would lull a baby to sleep. John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Fin2008 Help and Safari 3.03
Is anyone else having trouble using the Search function of Finale 2008's HTML help with Safari 3.03? When I click on the Search tab, all I get is a mini progress bar that never completes. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Fin2008 - lock/unlock system?
In Fin2008, using the Lock Systems and Unlock Systems commands lock/ unlock ALL systems. How do I lock or unlock a SINGLE system? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2008 - lock/unlock system?
By selecting 1 measure of a system with the mass mover tool - o wait, with the selection tool - and hitting L or U. Darcy James Argue wrote: In Fin2008, using the Lock Systems and Unlock Systems commands lock/ unlock ALL systems. How do I lock or unlock a SINGLE system? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
Ah yes! I'll give it a boring tempo then. But that berceuse isn't the only (ahem) dance I'm working on. I also have a polka, a gavotte, a menuet + trio, a polonaise, a mazurka, a nocturne (I know, not a dance), a scherzo, some capriccios, and a valse caprice. They are all works by father (1835-1904) and son (1875-1937) Hamm (see www.hamm.nu, in Dutch). dc wrote: Barbara Touburg écrit: Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. Well, a berceuse isn't a dance but a lullaby... Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2008 - lock/unlock system?
That's what I was doing, but something was going awry. It appears to be working correctly now, so I don't know what the problem was exactly. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2007, at 4:09 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote: By selecting 1 measure of a system with the mass mover tool - o wait, with the selection tool - and hitting L or U. Darcy James Argue wrote: In Fin2008, using the Lock Systems and Unlock Systems commands lock/ unlock ALL systems. How do I lock or unlock a SINGLE system? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
In previous versions of Finale, the shortcut to extend the selection from the current measure through the end of the piece is shift-right arrow. In Fin2008, shift-right arrow extends the selection by a single measure. What is the new shortcut that extends the selection to the end of the document? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Help with English
To the wisdom of the list: I am working for a publisher who wants to name me as an engraver. He insists that it should say, in English: Music setting by Johannes Gebauer To me this sounds as though I set, ie arranged the music. All I did was the engraving, I had no part in the arrangement. Shouldn't it say Music Engraving by Johannes Gebauer? Thanks for your insights. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
At 04:30 PM 9/9/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: What is the new shortcut that extends the selection to the end of the document? Shift-End works for me. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:12 PM, John Howell wrote: At 4:12 PM +0200 9/9/07, Barbara Touburg wrote: Is there a place on the net where I can find the correct tempi for various dances? I'm working on a berceuse right now and I would like it to play back at the proper tempo. There may be, but be aware that it is likely based on conjecture. One of the problems is that tempos for named dances changed over time. I think it was the Sarabande that originated in the Caribbean as a fast, lascivious dance, in the early 17th century but became the slowest of the French theatrical dances a century later. And Lully's minuets were either faster or slower than Mozart's, but I can never remember whether they got faster or slower during their century of popularity. One way to make sure you're at least close is to learn the dance steps themselves, and one discovers that the tempo RANGE for any given dance was actually rather narrow. I was always under the impression that dance rhythms tended to speed UP as they went on in history and leave the dance world in favour of the concert world. Your account of the Sarabande would certainly refute THAT. I had extended that theory to 20th century dances as well, like waltzes, marches, polkas and foxtrots, all of which showed up later in jazz concerts at MUCH faster tempos than anyone but a top athlete could dance them. Latin rhythms, too, are going that route as they start to show up more in the concert hall than the dance hall. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Historical performance; Was: alto as tenor?
On 09.09.2007 Ken Moore wrote: I would be interested to hear your reasons and evidence, especially for a reduction in its use c. 1750. Spohr (c. 1840) I know, and Joachim (c.1909) I been told, describe vibrato as an embellishment to be used on particular notes, possibly more by soloists than by ripieno players. Well, take the L. Mozart quote, and compare it to Spohr. Mozart, even though he dislikes it, describes that many people use a lot of vibrato, as though they had a fever. And he doesn't really give much indication of how much to use. Spohr on the other hand tells exactly where vibrato should be used, and thus where it shouldn't be. This is very little. I am not at home right now, so I cannot quote anything, but it seems to me that 19th century treatises are much more particular about the use of vibrato. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with English
On Sep 9, 2007, at 6:25 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: To the wisdom of the list: I am working for a publisher who wants to name me as an engraver. He insists that it should say, in English: Music setting by Johannes Gebauer To me this sounds as though I set, ie arranged the music. All I did was the engraving, I had no part in the arrangement. Shouldn't it say Music Engraving by Johannes Gebauer? I agree with you. Even Engraving by Johannes Gebauer should be sufficient. Setting does sound like some kind of realisation or arrangement was done, if not actual composing, like setting a poem to music. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Help with English
It is a bit confusing. In this context setting could mean Satz as in Notensatz. but setting does indeed suggest arrangement. A better term would be music typesetting. That will keep the word setting but give the proper meaning. Will they accept Music typesetting? Jim From: Johannes Gebauer Sent: Sun 09-Sep-07 18:25 To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Help with English To the wisdom of the list: I am working for a publisher who wants to name me as an engraver. He insists that it should say, in English: Music setting by Johannes Gebauer To me this sounds as though I set, ie arranged the music. All I did was the engraving, I had no part in the arrangement. Shouldn't it say Music Engraving by Johannes Gebauer? Thanks for your insights. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with English
On 09.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I agree with you. Even Engraving by Johannes Gebauer should be sufficient. Setting does sound like some kind of realisation or arrangement was done, if not actual composing, like setting a poem to music. I guess the reason he doesn't want to use this is because it isn't actually engraved - it is done using a computer. Is there any other word which might be used, which applies to the computer setting of music? His argument is that music setting corresponds to type setting. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2008 Help and Safari 3.03
On Sep 9, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Is anyone else having trouble using the Search function of Finale 2008's HTML help with Safari 3.03? When I click on the Search tab, all I get is a mini progress bar that never completes. Same here. I searched manually in the Index instead. 8-( Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
Hey Aaron, Thanks, that works. I wonder if there is a laptop-friendly shortcut, though? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2007, at 6:21 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:30 PM 9/9/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: What is the new shortcut that extends the selection to the end of the document? Shift-End works for me. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with English
Hi Johannes, The word he's looking for is notesetting, which is a synonym of engraving. (See the subtitle of Steven Powell's book: The Art and Practice of Digital Notesetting.) Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2007, at 6:51 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 09.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I agree with you. Even Engraving by Johannes Gebauer should be sufficient. Setting does sound like some kind of realisation or arrangement was done, if not actual composing, like setting a poem to music. I guess the reason he doesn't want to use this is because it isn't actually engraved - it is done using a computer. Is there any other word which might be used, which applies to the computer setting of music? His argument is that music setting corresponds to type setting. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
On Sep 9, 2007, at 4:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: In previous versions of Finale, the shortcut to extend the selection from the current measure through the end of the piece is shift-right arrow. In Fin2008, shift-right arrow extends the selection by a single measure. What is the new shortcut that extends the selection to the end of the document? It is now Shift-End key. Shift-Home selects to the beginning. Shift- Pg Up selects the measures from the selected measure to the top of the score, and shift-pg down selects to the bottom of the score. Very neat, actually. Shift right arrow is SUPPOSED to extend the selection by one note, not one measure, unless the measure is empty. Opt-sh right arrow is for a whole measure. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
At 07:34 PM 9/9/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: Thanks, that works. I wonder if there is a laptop-friendly shortcut, though? Sure -- it's called USB numeric keypad! g Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with English
On Sep 9, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 09.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: I agree with you. Even Engraving by Johannes Gebauer should be sufficient. Setting does sound like some kind of realisation or arrangement was done, if not actual composing, like setting a poem to music. I guess the reason he doesn't want to use this is because it isn't actually engraved - it is done using a computer. Is there any other word which might be used, which applies to the computer setting of music? His argument is that music setting corresponds to type setting. Hey, there are all kinds of expressions that don't correspond to their original meanings any more, like track even on a cassette or CD instead of an LP, ... Press for a publisher that doesn't use a printing press, font foundry for a company that designs fonts to be used by a computer rather than lead type, the list goes on. Is English his first language? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
Sh-func-end Christopher On Sep 9, 2007, at 7:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Aaron, Thanks, that works. I wonder if there is a laptop-friendly shortcut, though? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2007, at 6:21 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:30 PM 9/9/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: What is the new shortcut that extends the selection to the end of the document? Shift-End works for me. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
Ah -- you know, I hadn't even thought to look at the arrow keys. It's just too bad the fn key is on the other side of the laptop keyboard -- that used to be a one-handed shortcut, even on a laptop. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2007, at 8:34 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Sh-func-end Christopher On Sep 9, 2007, at 7:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Aaron, Thanks, that works. I wonder if there is a laptop-friendly shortcut, though? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 09 Sep 2007, at 6:21 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 04:30 PM 9/9/2007, Darcy James Argue wrote: What is the new shortcut that extends the selection to the end of the document? Shift-End works for me. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] finale customer support address?
is this the right address? http://makemusic.custhelp.com i submitted a couple of questions and don't see them in the my stuff tab, i only see questions i asked before they moved to this new system. and noone has answered, usually i at least get a response suggesting i don't know how to use the programme and should delete my prefs. maybe i am submitting the question wrong? -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale customer support address?
On Sep 9, 2007, at 8:36 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: is this the right address? http://makemusic.custhelp.com i submitted a couple of questions and don't see them in the my stuff tab, i only see questions i asked before they moved to this new system. and noone has answered, usually i at least get a response suggesting i don't know how to use the programme and should delete my prefs. maybe i am submitting the question wrong? I always go through the web interface, clicking Ask a question. This way I am sure a case is opened. You can REPLY to an email, though, as that seems to be included when I click My Stuff. Christopher (nobody ever suggested you reinstall Finale to solve whatever problem you are having?) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
Aaron Sherber wrote, on 9/9/2007 7:55 PM: Sure -- it's called USB numeric keypad! g Which doesn't work for the ALT+ characters on my Dell. :( Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tempi of dance movements
At 6:34 PM -0400 9/9/07, Christopher Smith wrote: I was always under the impression that dance rhythms tended to speed UP as they went on in history and leave the dance world in favour of the concert world. Your account of the Sarabande would certainly refute THAT. I see what you mean, but I was not making the distinction between dance music as dance music and dance forms as art music. As far as I know, the minuet was still being danced as a social dance in Mozart's lifetime, until it was finally replaced by the Waltz as fashions changed. I would find it very strange if composers put dance labels on concert music at a time when those dances were still being actively danced, either as social dances, theatrical dances, or both, and NOT expect the tempo to be that of the danced version. After the dances go out of fashion, certainly, I would agree. I had extended that theory to 20th century dances as well, like waltzes, marches, polkas and foxtrots, all of which showed up later in jazz concerts at MUCH faster tempos than anyone but a top athlete could dance them. Latin rhythms, too, are going that route as they start to show up more in the concert hall than the dance hall. I'm not sure jazz waltzes are any faster than Strauss waltzes, which were in one and move much faster than a beginning Arthur Murray studio might teach them. Good dancers--especially professional dancers--ARE athletes, and the best of them are world-class athletes. John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Help with English
At 11:25 PM +0100 9/9/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote: To the wisdom of the list: I am working for a publisher who wants to name me as an engraver. He insists that it should say, in English: Music setting by Johannes Gebauer To me this sounds as though I set, ie arranged the music. All I did was the engraving, I had no part in the arrangement. Yes, it could easily be so misinterpreted. Shouldn't it say Music Engraving by Johannes Gebauer? Yes it should. At some point, one could speak about note setting, but nowadays that means engraving. Is your publisher a native English speaker? John -- John R. Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale customer support address?
jef, Happened to me a couple of times before I figured out that there was one last page with a final submit question after I had clicked what I thought was the last of those. Navigate through the process again and see if maybe that was the problem. Chuck On Sep 9, 2007, at 5:36 PM, shirling neueweise wrote: is this the right address? http://makemusic.custhelp.com i submitted a couple of questions and don't see them in the my stuff tab, i only see questions i asked before they moved to this new system. and noone has answered, usually i at least get a response suggesting i don't know how to use the programme and should delete my prefs. maybe i am submitting the question wrong? -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT Historical performance; Was: alto as tenor?
On 9 Sep 2007 at 23:30, Johannes Gebauer wrote: it seems to me that 19th century treatises are much more particular about the use of vibrato. I'm very intrigued by your idea, and don't mean this comment as in any way an effort to refute your hypothesis, but the fact is that the 19th century was much more particular about all aspects of musical nuance, at least in regard to what those writing tutors specified, but also in regard to the notation. That Beethoven wrote more p and f in his music than Bach does not in any way indicate that Bach wanted no dynamic contrast in his music. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
On 9 Sep 2007 at 20:17, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote, on 9/9/2007 7:55 PM: Sure -- it's called USB numeric keypad! g Which doesn't work for the ALT+ characters on my Dell. :( I'm presently working on a borrowed Lenovo laptop, and the FN key plus ALT for numbers on the embedded numeric keyboard works just fine. Does the Dell not have an embedded numeric keyboard? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
David W. Fenton wrote, on 9/9/2007 10:24 PM: I'm presently working on a borrowed Lenovo laptop, and the FN key plus ALT for numbers on the embedded numeric keyboard works just fine. Does the Dell not have an embedded numeric keyboard? Yes, that works just fine. But I'm a touch typist in Speedy, and a numeric keypad needs to be to the right of the alphanumeric keyboard. A full-size USB keypad works fine, but kind of makes the laptop bigger. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Select through end in Fin2k8
On 9 Sep 2007 at 20:17, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Aaron Sherber wrote, on 9/9/2007 7:55 PM: Sure -- it's called USB numeric keypad! g Which doesn't work for the ALT+ characters on my Dell. :( I'm presently working on a borrowed Lenovo laptop, and the FN key plus ALT for numbers on the embedded numeric keyboard works just fine. Does the Dell not have an embedded numeric keyboard? Yes, that works just fine. But I'm a touch typist in Speedy, and a numeric keypad needs to be to the right of the alphanumeric keyboard. A full-size USB keypad works fine, but kind of makes the laptop bigger. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Multimeasure Rests
Solved my problem. Mirable dictu. Bruce Clausen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
