Re: [Finale] 3/2 vs. 6/4

[Kenneth Moore]

On Thu, 8 Dec 2016 08:15:47 Christopher Smith 
 wrote:
> I just conducted a piece for concert band by Samuel R. Hazo called 
> ?Arabesque? where there is a single measure of 6/4 indicated to be conducted 
> 2+2+2 in a context of 4/4. I think this was the right decision, as 4/4 + 2/4 
> would have implied a stronger accent on the 2/4 bar than was on the 3 of the 
> 4/4 bar. It was a complex measure, too, and having me give a big downbeat in 
> the middle of that complex figure would have sent a message that wasn?t 
> implied in the music.  I wouldn?t have liked three bars of 2/4 either, in a 
> context of 4/4, as that would have been really weird.
I agree with both the impications, but I still think the original 
decision is a bit odd for an isolated 6/4; it might make sense as one in 
the middle of several normal ones.
> I think that old convention of 6 being always compound time is relaxed now. 
> Other conventions that lived out their usefulness have been retired, too, so 
> I?m pretty okay with that.
I never thought of that as a convention; it's a definition.  If you mean 
that it implies only two beats in the bar, that was contradicted at 
least as early as movement 2 of Brahms 4.

Most of these problems arise from the inherent defects of number-only 
time signatures, but the Orff design has problems too; it shows you how 
many beats you need - 2/dotted-h-sign or 6/q-sign - but the second one 
fails to indicate whether there are two or three main accents.

If you want to keep the denominator the same in the original problem, 
you could use 2/2 and 3/2 and conduct split halves  Most of the 
beginners whom I teach assume that every beat is a quarter whatever the 
time signature, and experienced musicians will cope with any moderately 
clear beat.
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Re: [Finale] Dorico?

[Kenneth Moore]

On Wed, 19 Oct 2016, Eric Dannewitz  wrote:

> Or when it can open/import Finale files

Steinberg claim it imports Music XML.  I've exported that from Win 
Finale 2014 for a Sibelius user to import, which he did successfully.

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] yKey (iKey) "Move To" shortcuts no longer work in, 10.11

[Kenneth Moore]

Darcy James Argue  wrote:

> One major kink is that yKey (formerly iKey) shortcuts that involve simulating 
> mouse movements (?Move To?) no longer seem to work.
>
> I?m not sure if any yKey users have found a solution to this?
>
> The only Finale command I need a simulated mouse click for is to 
> advance/retreat one measure in Scroll View ? but I REALLY need a keyboard 
> shortcut for that, as trying to accurately scroll right or left using a Magic 
> Trackpad is still basically impossible, even in Finale v25.
>
> Since Finale does not have a menu command or a built-in shortcut key for 
> advance/retreat one measure, the only way to get a shortcut for this is to 
> simulate a mouse click on the measure forward/back buttons. But OS X 10.11 
> seems to have rendered that part of yKey non-functional? unless I?m missing 
> something?
I use an auxiliary program called AutoHotkey for which I wrote a script 
to invoke a macro in response to function keys or key combinations.  
These can simulate mouse clicks or other key sequences that I use 
frequently.  The mouse clicks occur at particular positions on the 
screen, so I need a full screen display of Finale; the key sequences 
apply to the currently active program.   I am on Windows 10 currently 
and I don't know whether it is available on Mac but I expect there are 
several other programs that offer similar facilities.

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] Off Topic: Quote About Rhythm

[Kenneth Moore]

On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 09:34:09 +0200, Giovanni Andreani 
 wrote:
> Hello list members, I've been away for a while due to personal reasons 
> and now back again. I read a quote apparently from Virginia Woolf and 
> would like to know the source it eventually comes from. The quote is: 
> "Now this is very profound, what rhythm is, and goes far deeper than 
> words. A sight, an emotion, creates this wave in the mind, long before 
> it makes words to fit it..." 
A Google search on  found this on the Barnes 
and Noble site:
The name of the book, THE WAVE IN THE MIND, refers to an explanation of 
style that Virginia Woolf once wrote in a letter.
The name of the book, THE WAVE IN THE MIND, refers to an explanation of 
style that Virginia Woolf once wrote in a letter.

"The name of the book [by Ursula Leguin], THE WAVE IN THE MIND,refers to 
the explanation of style that Virginia Woolf once wrote in a letter."

Another hit tells us that the letter was to Vita Sackville-West, friend, 
lover and fellow novelist, who was the inspiration for Woolf's "Orlando.

Ken Moore
The name of the book, THE WAVE IN THE MIND, refers to an explanation of 
style that Virginia Woolf once wrote in a letter.
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Kenneth Moore]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 19:16:11, Johannes Gebauer 
 wrote:

>I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
>(2k9) to the current.

and, on Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:26:07:

> How is compatibility with older files?

I have recently taken files from F2000 and even earlier into F2014 (Windows; I 
have downloaded F2014.5 but hit installation problems).  A frequent problem is 
that in scrolling playback of the imported file the sound precedes the 
scrolling by a second or so.  For various reasons I have also occasionally had 
to set up a new empty score and transfer content stave by stave.  My files are 
not particularly large, typically less than 15 staves and no percussion.

Ken Moore

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Re: [Finale] unprecedented trouble with 2014.5

[Kenneth Moore]

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 09:59:16, Craig Sylvern  wrote:
> ... since upgrading to 2014.5 it?s been one frustrating issue after another.
>
I haven't upgraded yet.  Are you on Mac or Windows?

TIA

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Kenneth Moore]

On 21 Feb 2016, Christopher Smith<christopher.sm...@videotron.ca>  wrote:

> Hmm, that's downright weird. I have absolutely no trouble with this and it is 
> obviously essential to any musician. > > There is some problem with your 
> system, somehow.

Do you (or does anyone) know that it works correctly on Win F2014?

> The Finale Forum allows files to be attached, so that could allow you to 
> submit an example file. Or tech support.

> On Feb 21, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Kenneth Moore<k...@mooremusic.org.uk>  wrote:
>
> On 19 Feb 2016 at 07:11:07 -0800, Christopher 
> Smith<christopher.sm...@videotron.ca>   wrote:
>> Kenneth, I don't quite understand. What has changed between
>> 2004 and 2014 when entering chords? (I assume you mean several
>> notes on a stem, not chord symbols?)
> Yes, note clusters.  ISTR that in F2004 (now lost with two
> failed hard discs), I could enter them into any stave.  My
> present configuration of F2014 refuses to enter clusters
> into a stave that belongs to a single note instrument, such
> as those of a woodwind sextet ("Mladi" instruments) for which I am
> currently composing, but will do it on staves belonging to pianos,
> organs and presumably other chord capable instruments.  I expect
> there is a setting somewhere that would permit it, but the
> documentation is hard to search or to navigate.
>
> Ken Moore
>
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Kenneth Moore]

On 19 Feb 2016 at 07:11:07 -0800, Christopher 
Smith  wrote:

> Kenneth, I don't quite understand. What has changed between
> 2004 and 2014 when entering chords? (I assume you mean several
> notes on a stem, not chord symbols?)

Yes, note clusters.  ISTR that in F2004 (now lost with two
failed hard discs), I could enter them into any stave.  My
present configuration of F2014 refuses to enter clusters
into a stave that belongs to a single note instrument, such
as those of a woodwind sextet ("Mladi" instruments) for which I am
currently composing, but will do it on staves belonging to pianos,
organs and presumably other chord capable instruments.  I expect
there is a setting somewhere that would permit it, but the
documentation is hard to search or to navigate.

Ken Moore

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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Kenneth Moore]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 at 16:41:48, Lee Actor  wrote

> My setup is MIDI keyboard to my left, perpendicular to the computer keyboard
> and monitor.  Left hand on the MIDI keyboard, right hand on the number
> keypad makes for very fast note entry.  As the MIDI keyboard is full-size 88
> keys, I can instantly enter any note in any octave, plus of course when
> there are multiple notes entered on the same beat it is done in a single
> step.  To each his own, but I'm very fast using my method and like it a lot.

My set-up, using Finale 2014 under Windows 8.1, is very similar to this,
except that the MIDI keyboard is four-octave with octave transposition
from -2 to +2, so eight octaves covered at an occasional inconvenience.
I use chord entry and explode music frequently in composition and pre-set
time value followed by one note per MIDI key depression in transcription
for running eighths and sixteenths etc.  I find chord entry less convenient
in F2014 than it was in F2004, because I have yet to find the setting that
allows me to do it into the staff of a single note instrument, so at
present I am composing into a keyboard double staff system which I later delete.

Ken Moore

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Re: [Finale] 2012c, Rebarring into triple meter

[Kenneth Moore]

On 9/02/2016 20:21, douglas.br...@wayland.wbu.edu wrote:
> ...
> When rebarring measures into 3/4 from 2/4, 4/4, or 16/4 on Vista, three-beat 
> notes come out as dotted halves.  When doing the same (in the same file) on 
> Win10 (and I recall this happening before on Win7, also), three-beat notes 
> come out as a half tied to a quarter.  Is there a setting to change somewhere?
I'm pleased to see that you have a solution via the non-intuitive 
mechanism of dotted rests, but my immediate reaction was that the output 
might relate to the two different meaning of 3/4: three quarters or one 
dotted half.

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] Part prints at 1/16 size of page

[Kenneth Moore]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 19:29:51,

Michael Lawlormjlaw...@virginmedia.comwrote:

 [Finale 2009]
 I have just created a score and extracted the parts; they all print okay
 except one part, which only fills about 1/16 of the page (i.e. A8
 instead of A4).  I have tried printing directly from Finale and printing
 to PDF; I have checked page sizes for the part within Finale page layout
 tool, the settings for the printer and PDF generator and they all
 specify A4.  What have I missed?
[Finale 2014]
I have had similar problems on my laptop with a Samsung ML 3310 ND laser 
printer
and my wife has had them on her static PC.  I haven't solved them, but 
they look to me
like printer driver problems, since they occur with several application 
programs on two
different computers, and have arisen only since we moved from Windows XP 
to 8.1.

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] pizzicato chords

[Kenneth Moore]

On  Sat, 25 Jul 2015 18:32:15 -0400,David H. Bailey 
dhbaile...@comcast.net wrote:
 On 7/25/2015 3:38 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote:
 Is there a way of preventing Finale playback from arpeggio-ing all pizzicato 
 solo string chords?Drives me banananas!

 How else do they get played by human?
One finger per string.  With a bit of preparation time I reckon I could 
pluck all four strings of my upright bass pretty close to 
simultaneously.  Strummed in quick succession is probably more usual on 
the higher instruments on which four-part pizzicato chords sound OK, 
which they don't, to my ear, on the bass, because in that register it's 
not possible to finger a chord that is sufficiently spread.
I'm curious about this -- is it
 the speed of the arpeggiating in Finale's playback that you dislike? What
 would you rather hear from a solo string playback?
Ken Moore
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[Finale] Removal of empty staves

[Kenneth Moore]

I have spent some time in the Finale 2014 documentation looking for the 
equivalent of the earlier score optimisation by the removal of empty 
staves, so far without success.  Please will someone point me at the 
right place.

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] Removal of empty staves

[Kenneth Moore]

On 22/02/2015 at 05:49:43 GMT,  David H. Bailey 
dhbaile...@comcast.net wrote:
 It's at the bottom of the Staff menu, which appears when you select 
 the Staff Tool. It will be grayed out until you select part or all of 
 the score. Once you've selected part or all of the score, the Hide 
 Empty Staves and Show Empty Staves options will be black and will 
 be available for you to choose. Just as with the old Optimize 
 command, Finale always keeps one staff showing but it will hide any 
 others which are completely empty (showing only the default whole 
 rest). If you enter your own whole rests in any measures so they 
 appear to be empty but aren't really since they include user-entered 
 data, then any staff with such a measure on it won't be hidden. 

Thanks David, and Christopher also.  I thought I had tried something 
like that, but must have got something wrong.  It works a treat as you 
describe it.

What I feel I need is a supplement to the existing Finale documentation 
in the form of a dictionary of all the obsolete terms from earlier 
versions, each with a pointer to the search term for the present equivalent.

Ken Moore
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Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave

[Kenneth Moore]

How I try to put belt and braces on my self-supporting trousers.

Autosave was on by default when I installed F2014 on Windows 8.1 (just 
before Christmas 2014 on a new Lenovo laptop) and has never given me any 
trouble on several different versions of FInale since the mid 90s; it 
saved me some minutes of work two days ago when a security program did a 
forced reboot of Windows without asking.  I try to save with Control S 
frequently.  My back-up folder is on one of two flash drives that I 
alternate, so that if Finale wrecks all three working files, I have a 
copy from the previous session.  When I am not using the computer, both 
flash drives are on strings around my neck, so that my portfolio is 
saved if the house burns down with the laptop in it.

Where computers are concerned, my hopes are higher than my expectations.

Ken Moore
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[Finale] What quoting all of a popular thread does

[Kenneth Moore]

I started using computers about 55 years ago, on a machine with three 
levels of storage: mercury delay lines (c. 1600 bytes) ; magnetic drum 
(131072 bytes); punched card (limited only by drawers, shelving, and 
floor space).  I naturally became concerned about efficiency in this 
environment, and still am, at about 7 orders of magnitude higher.  I 
just produced an edited version of the most recent digest, Vol.139, 
Issue 4, with all the quotes removed.  The original version occupied 55 
KBytes, the edited version 9 KBytes. In the early days of email, ISTR 
that recommended practice was to quote only the most recent contribution 
to a thread.

Ken Moore
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[Finale] 18th Century horn notation and playback on Finale, 2012

[Kenneth Moore]

On 28/01/2015 11:04:25 , Martin Banner wrote:
  I am currently preparing a modern performing edition of an 18th Century
  Italian sacred work for chorus, strings, oboes and two horns.
  All you horn specialists (and I know there are some of you out there who
  have been of great help to me in the past), please weigh in on this 
and help
  me figure this out.

There is a good article at 
http://www.compositiontoday.com/articles/natural_horn.asp, from which I 
quote:

  * Horn in C alto—reads concert pitch (like a C trumpet)—very bright sound
  * Horn in B—not used
  * Horn in B-flat alto—concert pitch sounds down a whole step from the
notated pitch
  * Horn in A—sounds down a minor third—bright but more centered
  * Horn in A-flat—rare
  * Horn in G-sounds down a perfect fourth
  * Horn in F-sharp—rare
  * Horn in F—notated just like the modern horn
  * Horn in E—sounds down a minor sixth
  * Horn in E-flat—sounds down a major sixth—full, rich tone color
  * Horn in D—sounds down a minor seventh
  * Horn in D-flat—rare
  * Horn in C basso—sounds down an octave from notated pitch—dark tone
  * Horn in B—rare
  * Horn in B-flat basso—sounds down a major ninth-- very dark, almost
muffled sound
  * Horn in A basso-- rare

I have never met Horn in C alto and would always assume that Horn in C 
meant basso unless there was some evidence to the contrary. Horns in Bb 
basso occur in Mozart, Brahms, and R Strauss.  I have only ever met A 
and Ab basso in Italian music (Verdi Requiem). Again I would interpret 
Horn in A or Horn in Ab as alto in music of any other nationality.

Ken Moore
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[Finale] MIDI controllers

[Kenneth Moore]

Playback of Finale 2014 on Windows 8.1 seems to have its own ideas as to 
the relative dynamic of notes on different layers of the same stave.  I 
use non-printing expressions with MIDI controllers as the defined 
playback.  In F2004 this applied to the whole stave.  In F2014, a right 
click on an expression gives me the option to display on all layers or 
any one of them, but playback can be set to apply only to Current 
layer or any one; all layers is not offered.  I presume current 
layer means the one open for input at present, rather than anything to 
do with playback time (the documentation is unforthcoming).  How can one 
most easily apply the main volume controller to a whole stave?

TIA

Ken Moore
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[Finale] MIDI controllers

[Kenneth Moore]

Stranger and stranger: in my Finale 2014, as far as I can tell, any 
application of CC7, the Main Volume controller, reduces the volume of 
the layer to zero, whatever value you set.
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[Finale] Pre-legacy files?

[Kenneth Moore]

Finale 2014 on Windows 8.1 has so far been happy to open all the F2004 
files I have thrown at it.  However, it has variable reactions to 
earlier ones, including .bak ones that were the only versions of some 
pieces that survived my main computer's hard disk crash.   In 
particular, the open command refuses to show them on a folder listing 
with the message Files of type: All Readable Files. However, if I 
select all files, .bak files are displayed.  Some of these load as 
correctly as can be expected; others (pre-F2000?) result in the display 
of some messages, of which the last is Windows telling me that Finale 
2014 has stopped working.  Is this bug known? and is MakeMusic doing 
anything about it.

As a matter of principle, a program ought not to crash whatever data is 
presented to it, though of course it can't be expected to make sense of 
everything.

Ken Moore
Berkshire
England
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Re: [Finale] Automatic saves in Finale 2014: how do I set the, folders for them?

[Kenneth Moore]

On 28 Dec 2014, David H. Bailey wrote:

 I don't know where the information is in the documentation, but that
 setting is where it's always been, in the Preferences dialog.  On
 Windows machines, it's under the Edit menu.  Select Preferences and
 then select Folders and then you can set the locations of the
 folders for your Finale files, for backup files, for your Autosave
 files, template files, and other such things.
Many thanks.  In Finale 2004 it was in the Options menu.  So far, the tools I 
used in F2004 seem still to be in F2014, but some menus have been replaced. I 
have yet to come to terms with the changed style of documentation; either the 
index is less complete or the names of the tools have changed and I can't guess 
the right search term.

Ken Moore
Berkshire
England

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[Finale] Automatic saves in Finale 2014: how do I set the folders for them?

[Kenneth Moore]

I have had Finale 2014 (on Windows 8.1 [spit for protection!]) for only 
five days, but have searched the documentation fairly energetically 
during that period, trying to discover how to set the folders to which 
automatic saves and previous copy saves are sent (.asv and .bak in F2004 
of blessed memory).  I have not even found an indication that these 
saves happen in this version.  Please will someone give me the route to 
the place in the documentation that describes what F2014 does.

Happy New Year to all and TOI

Ken Moore
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