[Finale] Finale Notepad/Reader 2009

[Matthew Hindson fastmail acct]

As I am on the digest, apologies if someone's already posted about this.

There is apparently a letter being sent out to registered Finale and 
Notepad users outlining (basically) that Finale Notepad 2009 is going to 
cost $9.95, and there will be a free Finale Reader 2009 that will open, 
print and playback Finale and MusicXML files.




This is a bit of a shame.  Sure, US$9.95 isn't too much even if you're a 
student (presumably with a credit card), but for students, downloading a 
cracked version of Sibelius is free.


In an institution, where (for example) we put a copy of Finale Notepad 
onto every staff computer and lab computer (and get the staff member to 
register it online), this is going to be a financial imposition.


Let's hope the new version of Notepad is worth the money and hassle.

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[Finale] Finale 2009 questions/issues

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I downloaded the demo and checked it out.  But it raised a few 
questions/issues which maybe arose during Finale 2008, I'm not sure.


- Does everyone else have the Garamond font for the items in the Setup 
Wizard?  (Yuk! Great printing font, horrible screen font).  And at 
slightly different widths too.


- I love that the custom smart line box is now resizeable.  Bravo. 
Except that when you resize it, it just makes the whitespace around the 
objects larger or smaller.  It's a shame that it doesn't put more or 
less objects on the screen without the + - magnifier.


- It would be great if there was a context menu for the items in these 
new resizeable dialog boxes.  For example, right-click on an expression 
and you can Edit, Duplicate, Reassign to Category etc.


- I noticed that in the text inserts, where I had previously inserted 
the filename it now just says "[Filename]".  Is it like that in the full 
version?


- Is the only way to access Automatic Update Layout/Music Spacing on/off 
through the Programme Options now?  :(


- This is my first experience with what used to be the Mass Edit tool. 
It was possible to access what used to be called the ENIGMA Utilities 
via the context menu (e.g Check Accidentals, Check Ties etc.).  But 
these are all gone now?  Not accessible via any Context Menu?


- Is TGTools fully compatible with Finale 2009?

- What a bummer that it's not possible to rename the four staff lists. 
For all the talk about how this new regime is supposed to make life 
better for publishers, those of us who actually like to document what we 
do will be disadvantaged by this lack of naming.  There will be no easy 
way to remember what Staff List 2 contains in a month or year's time.


- I LOVE that it's possible to resize the Expressions Palette now.

- What a shame that we can't just "Assign to part" via an item in the 
Expressions context menu (or can we).


- The default font for a new category in Category Designer seems to 
default to Times New Roman, in spite of whatever font are used 
throughout the document.  It would make sense to be able to set this in 
the Document Options along with the rest of the text fonts.  Some of us 
don't use Times New Roman.  I suppose I can change it once in a Category 
then duplicate the category as a workaround.


My 2c

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[Finale] Speedy entry

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OK, not aiming to revisit old wounds - but I thought I would share one 
aspect of my recent experience of teaching a class of 
mainly-Finale-newbies to the application.


For the note-entry method, I showed them how to use Speedy, and what the 
keystrokes meant and did.  In 5 minutes they were entering a Haydn 
string quartet movement, and at a surprisingly quick rate.  This was 
without a MIDI keyboard.


I hope that MakeMusic still realises that Speedy is a really excellent 
tool for note entry that is (in my opinion) considerably more 
straightforward than using Simple without a MIDI keyboard.  Speedy seems 
a better balance of simplicity and power.  Because there are fewer 
options as compared to Simple, there are fewer keystrokes to come to 
grips with as a beginner - but the options that are there are easy to 
use and powerful enough to enter all pitches and rhythms you want.


Plus Speedy is great because it provides the user with the option to 
select pitch then enter rhythm for note entry.


Mind you, it would be good to able to change clef from within Speedy I 
suppose.  Maybe press ? and a list of clefs pops up.  This would be 
relevant to the tool because it relates to pitch.


Anyway, in the end I just hope that Finale doesn't consider removing or 
crippling Speedy.  It really is an excellent and easy-to-use tool.


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[Finale] Re: Finale in the University

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Has anyone else out there taught or developed a large-scale
entry-level Finale class? I'd love to share (well, steal, if truth be
told) ideas if you have. Most of the students will be taking the
course online -- I've been making screen casts for them -- and only
one lab full (20) will be in the classroom. That was the only way we
could make it work with 80-90 students taking it. This fall will be
our first time offering the class and I anticipate more than a few
kinks will need to get worked out.


I teach something like this at Sydney Uni, but which deals with general 
score presentation as well (e.g. binding, printing, paper weights, basic 
design, general music presentation).  Not online though, and as I don't 
deal with the composition majors it's probably at a different level to 
yours.


To be honest, one of the best things you can do for them is set Stephen 
Powell's Music Engraving Today as a reference textbook.  That way they 
learn to best present their scores no matter which application they use.


This semester we divide our class into two: I focus upon Finale basics 
for 6 weeks, and someone else teaches Sibelius basics for 6 weeks.


Interestingly the majority of students in my class of 
non-music-specialists come from a Finale or Finale Notepad background. 
This is in stark contrast to my first year composition class where 15/17 
use Sibelius.


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Re: [Finale] Some comments re Fin09

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Robert Patterson wrote

 > Now, about those Staff Lists. MM made a mess of Staff Lists with a
copying bug they introduced in Fin08, and (apparently) to punish us for 
their mistake, they have limited us to exactly 4 Staff Lists in Fin09, 
no more, no less. That's usually about all I need: All Staves, Top 
Staff, Bottom Staff, and Tempo Staves. I'm not sure if one can change 
the names of the 4 to be those names. If not, you are stuck with 
whatever arbitrary names they come with. If you need more Staff Lists 
than that you are out of luck. (I consider to this to be an egregious 
artificial limit, and I would encourage other Fin09 user who thinks so 
to let MM know as well.)



Oh my goodness, what a great way to wreck a powerful feature.

I use staff lists all the time, and a multitude of them.  For example, 
say you want a boxed expression for all the string parts to appear above 
the Violin I part only in the score, but in all the string parts.  Or a 
"Score in C" marking above the Piccolo only in the score - in none of 
the parts.  How in hell can you do that under this new system?  A 
convoluted and time-consuming collection of 'Hide/Show' clicks I 
suppose.  Jesus Christ - as if I don't have enough to do in my life.


Can you alter the "Tempo Staves" staff list if needs be?  Can it be edited?

Why does Makemusic make such things worse, rather than better.  Do they 
not consider that some of their users may be power users who may NEED 
these features?  For whom such powerful possibilities are the reason why 
Finale is so flexible, i.e. a valid reason not to switch to Sibelius?


The worst thing seems to be that I will have to upgrade to Finale 09 to 
fix the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] non-WYSIWYG slurs, but lose features in the process.


I've just about had it with Finale.  If only Sibelius had a means by 
which one could select pitch then rhythm when entering notes, I would 
change over (and join the rest of Australia in the process).


Matthew.
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[Finale] Good slur settings? (F2007)

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Can anyone suggest some good slur settings?

I am using engraver slurs, but am continually frustrated by them either 
curving too high or making bizarre curvatures in general.


Even worse of course is when you print it out and it's not WYSIWYG...

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[Finale] Multi-layers in parts, Finale 2007

[Matthew Hindson fastmail acct]

I have finally sought to use the automatic part-assignment features in 
Finale, i.e extracting the Horn 1/2 staff to two separate parts without 
putting in a new staff specifically for Horn 2.


This seems to be OK, except that I have my cues on Layer 4, and from 
what I can see, you can only have one layer on such a part.  Is this 
correct?  Is there any way for me to show both Layer 1 and 4?  Layer 1 
have my whole-bar rests, while Layer 4 has the cue.


Thanks

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[Finale] Re: TAN: Brian Ferneyhough--Lemma icon epigram

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From: Jo?o Pais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Finale] TAN: Brian Ferneyhough--Lemma icon epigram
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There's a big analysis of this piece by Richard Toop (a well-known  
musicologist) on Contrchamps 8, but in french. I guess you can find an  
english version of it as well, but I don't know where.


I work with Richard.  I'm sure he can provide the English version if 
anyone wants it i.e. if you can't find it on JSTOR or whatever.


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[Finale] Re: Interesting bit of spam this morning...

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:00:25 -0400
From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Finale] Interesting bit of spam this morning...
To: finale@shsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I got a "music typesetting" spam from India, and decided to have a look 
at the document:


  

The document properties show no music fonts, and it being done in Adobe 
Illustrator. A big magnification shows that the symbols like sharps and 
flats are individually built.




They have probably been converted to outline first in Illustrator.



Anybody ever try this program? It's command line, like Score.

Anyway, there are no rates on the spammer's webpage. I wonder... are we 
endangered? :)


I wouldn't say so from the quality of the output at its present stage.

However I have wondered why there aren't more Indians teaching 
themselves Finale and Sibelius and offering their services.


Matthew

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Re: [Finale] Monitor question

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David Froom wrote:



I'd like to request some advice about monitors.

I am looking at buying a new monitor to replace my desk-hog, an old  
Apple Studio 21" CRT.  The Dell 24" LCD (2407WFP) looks appealing,  
especially because it has a stand with 90° built in to the stand.  In  
the old days.


My 2c: I have the Dell 24" model and it works a treat.  It's so much 
better being able to see a score in portrait mode.  So much more productive.


I would highly recommend this model.  I also would invest in a second 
monitor as well.  22" LCDs are about AUS$320 over here now, so they'd be 
even cheaper in the US.  Then you can have all your palettes on the 2nd 
monitor, and leave the Dell to display just the page.


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Re: [Finale] Sibelius demo in the MD public schools

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From: Lawrence David Eden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Finale] Sibelius demo in the MD public schools
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The boys from Sibelius ran a marketing demo for the General Music 
teachers in the public schools.  I teach Instrumental Music at 4 
elementary schools and did not see the demo, but EVERY general music 
teacher I run into can't stop talking bout how cool Sibelius is.


During my 30+ years of public school teaching, I have seen this kind 
of thing before.  Commodore used to dominate the educational 
profession in my schools.  They lost out to Apple, who in turn, lost 
out to Dell.  In each case, the newcomer was better at marketing and 
more interested in cornering the market.


Now I am seeing Sibelius stick it to Finale.  I have not used 
Sibelius, nor do I intend to, but I am concerned to see MakeMusic 
take a back seat to any other notation software.  On this list, I 
hear mostly complaints about Finale.  Why is MakeMusic willing to 
take this kind of beating?  For my purposes, (small ensembles), 
Finale is just fine and I have no complaints.   It used to be that I 
could endorse Finale without reservation.  Now, I am not so sure. 
Is Sibelius as good as it appears to be?


The marketing to education here in Australia has been extensive and 
fabulous, to the extent that Sibelius basically runs in every school and 
just about every University.  It may prove to be a model of what is to 
come in the US if it hasn't already.


Students use Sibelius in schools, then go home and buy it or use cracked 
copies.  The cracked copies have basically negated any advantage offered 
by Finale Notepad.  Through observation and anecdote, very few people in 
the education sector seem use Finale any more (though the ex-distributor 
tells me that the Finale sales in the last year were higher than ever, 
so maybe I'm wrong).  The education sector is the beachhead to the wider 
community.


Personally I find Sibelius difficult to use and am full of admiration 
for those who manage to scores with it.  I still consider Finale to be a 
superior product than Sibelius in many ways, however the thousands of 
musicians/students/educators/composers who use Sibelius in this country 
prove me wrong every day.


Matthew

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[Finale] OT: MacUpdate bundle

[Matthew Hindson fastmail acct]

In case any OS X users are interested, MacUpdate has a great software 
bundle available for the next 18 hours or so.




There are some interesting pieces of software in the bundle, including 
Amadeus Pro which is an excellent audio editor, ProfCast for doing 
podcasts, GraphicConverterX, Fetch (FTP software), TechToolPro for disk 
maintenance as well as others.  It's US$49.99 for the entire lot, which 
is a significant saving on buying the whole lot separately.


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Re: [Finale] errors in instrument.txt and ensembles.txt

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shirling & neueweise wrote:

i am compiling a list of corrections that need to be done in these 
files to MM, and things to add, does anyone have things to mention? 
for years there have been a number of transposition, spelling, staff 
type and clef errors.


any instruments that are missing completely, or that are in the 
instrument list but don't appear in any of (or in the appropriate) 
instrumental groups menu?


I am always annoyed that Cor Anglais isn't in there (I know English Horn 
is, but that's not what we call it over here in non-US locales).  It 
would be nice to have both to save jigging around later.


I also wonder about some of the abbreviations and capitalizations.  e.g. 
Bagpipes become "B.P.", when it's not a set of two words to begin with. 
 Surely "Bp" or even "Bagp." would be better.


Why is "sax" abbreviated to "sx." when it contains the same number of 
characters?


Why do they abbreviate Bassoon as "Bsn" and Contrabassoon as "C. Bn."?

I would think that "Flugel" would be a better abbreviation of 
Flugelhorn.  Similarly "Mar" for Marimba and "Glock" for glockenspiel.


There is a "Flexi-Tone" which should probably be "Flexatone".

Are drum kits commonly called "Drum Sets" in the US?

Isn't the more generally abbreviation for cellos "Vc", not "Vlc"?  There 
seems to be both in there.


Pedant's hat off now.

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[Finale] OT: works in octaves, unison etc.

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Dear listers,

A quick q to the wisdom of this list.  I am looking for any works or 
movts. of works for more than one instrument that are constructed 
entirely in unisons or octaves.  Obviously there is the Qt. for the End 
of Time mvt., and less obviously I've done one myself (fun to write if 
you've not tried it!). Can anyone suggest others?


TIA

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[Finale] F2007: hairpins in extracted parts

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Has anyone else experienced the problem in which hairpins across staves 
don't appear in the lower staff?


Just wondering if this is a known bug.

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Re: [Finale] HP 5si Duplex, frustration with 9x12 paper

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 > List members...


I latched on to a bunch of 9x12" paper and am using it to do some
simple scores & parts. It works great on my HP 5si UNLESS I try
duplexing.  While none of you may own a 5si, I am hoping that the HP
printers are universal enough to allow what works for you to work for
me on the 5si.

I'm using tray 1 (the only possible location for custom paper) and
defined 9x12 paper as "concert," just as Finale does. Single-sided
printing works beautifully. But when I tell it to print two-sided, no
combination or permutation of portrait-landscape-rotated landscape
(whatever that is), flip on long edge/flip on short edge seems to
give me two pages that print properly.  Only partial pages print on
either side, and I find no rime or reason to how they print. They
start various places on a page...

How can pages that print so nicely one-sided be such a mess when I
try duplexing???

Any words of wisdom welcome. I hope the HP printers are universal
enough for your instructions on (say) a 5000 to work on my 5si.

Thanks... Jim


Dear Jim,

I use a 5si though the duplexing function has carked it on my particular 
printer (i.e. the feeding mechanism).


Whilst I don't have any experience with 9x12 paper, I used to duplex 
print successfully to A3 paper which may be the same thing.


Have you checked the double-sided option in the printer itself?  In the 
internal LED menus on the top of the printer?  I had problems with this 
at one stage.


Also I couldn't print A3 duplex successfully at 600dpi until I added 
more memory to the printer itself.


Hopefully these will help you.

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Re: [Finale] Hyphenating text underlay

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:36:49 -0500
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I should have added that my instictive preference is for dictionary 
hyphenation, but I want to confirm that instinct. So far I haven't read 
any disagreement.




Well, OK, my thoughts on this are that hyphenation should follow how the 
music is sung, i.e. with each note beginning with a consonant, and 
multi-consonants split. "pro-mise" not "prom-ise".  This approach stems 
from my time of singing in a contemporary music choir in which it was 
drummed into us.


Of course this means there are weird hyphenations that just don't seem 
right: "e-xist" or "ex-ist"?  (maybe it's possible to get around it in 
this case since x is really two consonants in one: ks).


I also make an exception for the "ing" suffix, which is what your 
original post is about I think?


As for the statement that it may lead to words initially being 
pronounced incorrectly, I don't know of too many instances in which 
vocal music is sightread in performance anyway.


Altogether that was the approach I took when creating the hyphenation 
dictionary on my website.  Originally it was created for use with Philip 
Aker's auto-hyphenation plugin for Finale, and it's by no means 
finished, but maybe it may be useful for someone.


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[Finale] Re: Hyphenating text underlay

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John Howell wrote:



On the contrary, "r" IS a vowel, the ONLY vowel in "girl," "bird," or 
"heard."  (That is to say, since it's easy to get tangled up in 
semantics, it is a phonated sound that can be sustained.)  The 
written vowels are effectively mute.  


Of course, this is when one is speaking/singing with an American accent. 
 For us that don't actively pronounce the "r" in words, "girl" is 
pronounced with a neutral vowel.  The r isn't heard at all.


Similarly for "fire".  In such occasions it may well be worth 
hyphenating as "fi-re" since heaps of English speakers otherwise won't 
sing it as two syllables, if that is your intention.


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[Finale] Check Ties?

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Can anyone else confirm that this utility doesn't work any more under 
Finale 2007 Mac?


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[Finale] Delayed playback

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I am wondering if this very annoying thing happens to anyone else: 
namely that after pressing play, the playback bar starts moving as per 
expected but the MIDI doesn't actually come out until 5 seconds or so 
later.  There will be a sudden rush of notes and then it's all OK.


Every time I press play this happens.

I am not using Garritan etc., and am using human playback.  When human 
playback is turned off, everything's as it should be. (Finale 2007)


Even better would be if someone has a solution (other than turning HP 
off)... it's extremely frustrating.


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[Finale] Re: MULTIMEASURE catastrophe

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Kim Richmond wrote:

I quickly learned that that meant there were measures filled
with music not showing on the part. The solution was, on each
part, with the Measure Tool selected, choose Create 
Multimeasure Rests. That reveals the hidden music. But it has

to be done on every part. Doing it when viewing the score
doesn't do it.


I have had this as well - missing bars rest and "Break Multimeasure 
Rest" settings being ignored.  The moral of the story I've found is to

automatically redo the Create Multimeasure Rests function upon doing the
parts.  Don't trust Finale!

The funny thing is though that this started happening to me when using 
Finale 2005.  So I'm not too sure Finale 2007 itself is only to blame.


A quirk of 2007 though is that if you have bars set without their 
measure numbers to be included in numbering (new feature), and then go 
in and change measure attributes of a later bar, it will sometimes 
change the measure attributes of an earlier bar as well - in all parts 
of course - without alerting you.  Thus you can wreck all of your parts 
in one hit very easily with this bug.


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[Finale] Re: Finale 2005, 2004 can't be registered on Intel Macs

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Darcy Argue wrote:

 > Versions of Finale prior to MacFin2006d CANNOT be registered on Intel-
based Macs. That means that if you purchase a new Mac (as I recently  
did), you cannot run Finale 2005 or 2004 on it.


I knew that I would be unable to run versions of Finale prior to  
Finale 2004 because of the lack of Classic support on Intel Macs, but  
the inability to run Fin2004 and Fin2005 is *entirely* due to  
MakeMusic's copy protection scheme. If the copy protection didn't  
exist, they would run acceptably under Rosetta, as Finale 2006 does.  
But Finale's Registration Wizard needs to be patched to run on Intel  
Macs. A decision was made to make this patch available for Finale  
2006 (which runs under Rosetta), but not earlier versions of Finale.


Yes, you are correct: it's purely due to the copy protection scheme.  I 
have kept a copy of Finale 2005 on my recent intel iMac and it works 
fine because I used the transfer settings application, and it seems to 
have transferred the registration factor or whatever across as well.


Another way around the problem is to use the Networking/labpack 
licensing feature, which apparently is available through Makemusic.  We 
have a lab full of intel Mac Minis all running Finale 2005 without a 
problem.  (I'm not sure whether you need a non-Intel mac to run the 
hosting application).


It would be a fairly trivial matter for Makemusic to supply a 
one-license version of this to you I'm sure: whether they'd want to or 
not is another question.


Good luck,

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[Finale] Re: TGTools version 2.34a

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Tobias Giesen wrote:


Dear Subscribers,

I would like to notify you that a new version of TGTools is available. 

As you know, TGTools is a comprehensive collection of plug-ins for 
Finale. You can get it from http://www.tgtools.com .


Due to the many different Finale versions that TGTools must support, 
and especially due to the changes in Macintosh computers over the last 
years, some problems have piled up which I have now finally been able 
to fix. I apologize for taking so long. The update is free of course.


Thanks so much again Tobias for your plugins.  Between you and Robert 
P., you have made such a tremendous contribution to Finale and our 
productivity over all of these years.


I will have to go to Sibelius very soon (publisher reasons) but the ease 
of use combined with sheer power of your plugins are forcing me to 
thoroughly investigate how I can stick with Finale.  They're that good!


Cheers

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[Finale] Re: Pitch Rotation

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Michael Lawlor wrote:




From: Matthew Hindson

> Does anyone know of a plugin that will rotate pitches around 
> given note (duration) values? 
> 
> e.g. in an existing excerpt of music, I want to push all the 
> pitches 2 notes to the right, while maintaining the existing 
> rhythm. 


Unfortunately, Finale is a notation tool, not a composers' tool.  There are
many schemes and patterns we can dream up that could be automated, but to
be able to automate everything is beyond current software capabilities. 
Maybe it always will be, since it would probably take as long to define how

to do something as doing the job itself. So unless your music uses a very
small set of techniques, I don't think there will ever be a solution.

But I'm sure someone out there will disagree with me!


Yes, and it will be me :)

There are quite a few plugins existing already that extend what Finale 
can do, including compositional ones (e.g. the OpenMusic plugins). 
Philip Aker and I started working on a whole batch of other ones but I 
didn't get the funding and then lost touch with Philip so they never 
eventuated.  I like the idea that computers can do such 'grunt work' for 
us - that's what they do in many areas, and so if they can help with 
composition, all the better.


However you're correct that it would take longer to programme the plugin 
for this than it would to actually do the work.  Maybe I'll 
investigating the Manuscript language in Sibelius since it seems less 
opaque and quicker that learning C++ for Finale plugins.


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[Finale] Re: Pitch Rotation

[Matthew Hindson fastmail acct]

shirling & neueweise wrote:



could you insert the desired
displacement value (as rests) in speedy entry right before the first
note you want to shift, and when exiting the measure you get a "too
many notes" message, check the button to shift all notes until an
empty measure (or whatever it is called)?



Does anyone know of a plugin that will rotate pitches around
given note (duration) values?

e.g. in an existing excerpt of music, I want to push all the
pitches 2 notes to the right, while maintaining the existing
rhythm.


Yes, except that would push the durations to the right as well, but I 
just want the pitches (i.e. durations stay exactly the same).


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[Finale] Pitch rotation

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Does anyone know of a plugin that will rotate pitches around given note 
(duration) values?


e.g. in an existing excerpt of music, I want to push all the pitches 2 
notes to the right, while maintaining the existing rhythm.


This seems like it would be a doddle for a plugin (hence the question)...

TIA

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[Finale] Re: DP quickscribe into Finale

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Michael Good wrote:



Recordare has just released version 3.6 of Dolet for Finale to improve
the import of MusicXML files from PDFtoMusic Pro. System breaks in
particular will work better with Dolet 3 for Finale than the built-in
MusicXML in Finale 2007.



Thanks for this Michael, it's very good to hear because the standard 
import from PDFtoMusic Pro to Finale 2007 was pretty much unusable in my 
opinion.  Virtually no dynamics imported, slurs/ties mixed and matched 
all over the place, missing notes and pitches, stuff in different layers 
omitted or placed on a new staff (what can't it just look how many 
staves are in the original and copy it to the XML file?), extremely 
weird note spacing and the inability for the software to cope with an 
indented staff.


Sorry to sound negative to what must be an extremely labour-intensive 
and resource-intensive task to create the application in the first 
place.  It's just great to hear that it is improving.


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[Finale] Re: OT: Quickeys modification (Mac)

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Randolph Peters wrote:
In a recent series of emails, Matthew Hindson and I noted that on a Mac 
using Quickeys 3, the Quickeys Background Engine has a memory leak (or 
something) and can cause your Mac to slow down enormously. This usually 
happens to me after an hour or so of Finale use. I use a lot of Quickeys 
macros when I use Finale.


...

[snip]



Instructions:

1) Quit Quickeys.
2) Control-click on the Quickeys application and choose "Show package 
contents" from the contextual menu.

3) Open Quickeys: Contents: Resources
4) Trash (or convert to zip for backup safety) the 
"QuicKeysBackgroundEngine" file.
5) Close all windows and restart Quickeys. Now you won't even get the 
warning dialog boxes!


Thanks very much for this tip Randolph - great idea!

The memory leak thing on Quickeys is damned annoying, that's for sure. 
I have not had it very recently when using Finale 2007 on an Intel iMac 
- but maybe because the iMac is now so fast that even with the slowdown 
I don't notice it as often.


Cheers

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[Finale] Unable to change time signatures

[Matthew Hindson fastmail acct]

Has anyone run into the situation in Finale 2007 wherein it's impossible 
to change time signatures?


I need to change 2 bars at the end of a piece from 4/4 to 5/4 (and no 
it's not for handbells).  However, no matter what I do: double click, 
right-click etc. etc. it remains stuck on 4/4.


Changing the measure attibutes etc. makes no difference.

Also a Data Check did nothing.

Any further suggestions?

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Re: [Finale] Quickeys can slow down Mac big time!

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Randolph Peters wrote:


FinMac 2007a, Mac OS 10.4.8, PowerBook G4, GPO Studio, Quickeys 3.1.1

After working in Finale for a few hours, I notice that the whole 
system starts slowing down and the fans on my computer stay on. I 
assumed this was due to Finale and a large GPO setup.


I discovered to my horror that Quickeys 3.1.1 was actually the 
culprit. The Quickeys background application was using up 45 to 70% 
of my CPU! Quitting Quickeys just gave me the spinning beach ball and 
only logging out and back in cured the problem. Temporarily.


I thought I would throw this out to the list to see if there were any 
solutions and to give a warning. I would hate to give up Quickeys, 
because it is so much a part of the way I do Finale. But I also don't 
like restarting all the time.



That's absolutely correct.  Whenever Finale starts to feel sluggish, 
going to the Activity Monitor reveals that the Quickeys Background 
Application is using an absolutely huge amount of RAM and CPU time for 
no reason.


The solution is to force quit the Quickeys Background process.  You will 
get a message saying that toolbars are now unavailable, but Quickeys 
still works fine for me after that and everything will be back to normal.


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Re: [Finale] TIFF from Finale [was: Re: TAN: Lulu.com]

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Andrew Stiller wrote:



On Jan 4, 2007, at 8:37 PM, Cecil Rigby wrote:

>
> A PDF doesn't rely on "outside" fonts. It does rely on the person 
> creating it to embed the needed fonts *correctly* so the fonts' 
> graphic designs and frequency of use can be described in the file's 
> code properly.

>


Well then, I assume that PDFs created straight  from Finale must 
automatically embed all the fonts it needs--for example those I  
created myself (because I can see them in the resulting PDF file). Can 
I therefore also assume that if the result looks good to me that  it 
will look the same to anybody? Or have I missed something  here?


--Andrew


Upon researching your question, my first thought was to:

save as PDF via the Print function in Finale,
then open the PDF in Preview
then Save As into the TIFF format from within Preview
then Save As back into PDF again from within Preview

This sort-of works - the problem is that the TIFF only saves at 150dpi. 
 I cannot find any setting to change this :(


However, the problem of font embedding is apparently solved by printing 
to PDF-X format.




And apparently Lulu works fine with the PDF-X format too.



Good luck

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[Finale] ScoreGroove

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This item is listed at the Finalemusic website for sale, but I've not 
heard anything about it.


Has anyone used it?  Opinions?



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[Finale] Parts function Finale 2007 (OS X)

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Dear list members,

I finally got around to doing parts for a piece in Finale 2007 today 
using the dynamic parts feature.


There were a few bugs/annoyances and wondered if anyone else had found 
the same, or if they were unique to me:


* When going to the Manage Parts box, and selecting New Part, is there 
any way to have the part name automatically set to the instrument name? 
 It was very annoying to have to retype them in for each one.


* I had problems with using the * key in Speedy to show/hide accidentals 
- sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.  On one occasion if I 
pressed P it put the ( ) and the accidental, but nothing without.


* I found that the Measure Tool affects more than one measure if certain 
settings are applied, and even worse, affects measures that haven't even 
been selected.  For example:



was the initial setup.  In the bars selected, the 1st selected bar was 
set to be included in measure numbering, but the following ones weren't. 
 The time signatures are set to be hidden.



was the measure dialog box.  The only thing I changed was the width. 
"Include in Measure Numbering" should have been a - , not a tick.  It's 
worth looking out for this.



was the the result.  Note that it's hidden the time signature in bar 1 
of the whole piece.  This is obviously a bad thing!  The other thing 
that happened was that all of the selected bars ended up being counted 
in the numbering region, because the first one was.


* Jeez it's annoying not being able to use plugins in parts.  For things 
like harp pedalling or cautionary accidentals that you don't want in the 
score, it is very annoying.


* I tried also extracting a part to a separate file (the 'old fashioned' 
way) and the strange thing that happened there was that the last two 
bars totally disappeared.  Then I added to new bars at the end to 
reenter the music manually - and it added the missing two bars!


* Is there any way to enter a text block (not a text expression) to 
appear just in one part?  I entered it off the page and dragged it in to 
the part in which it was needed, but surely there must be a better way.


It's well worth checking Finale 2007 parts very closely I think.

On the positive side, I recently bought a new iMac Core 2 Duo and Finale 
2007 flies on this machine, even using a dual monitor setup which 
traditionally has been slow on the Mac.


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Re: [Finale] MACFIN 2006d

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Dick Hauser wrote:

> Friends,
>
> A MAC-using friend of mine seems to have lost contact with ALL of his
> MAESTRO and ENGRAVER fonts.
>
> Any suggestions?


Don't have a solution to the custom install question, sorry.   
However, since the added bandwidth is relatively cheap:


First the obvious;  they should be in their own folders in  
applications -> finale XXX -> Libraries.  Might provide you with a  
place to check.  Also, does Maestro show up as an option when you  
select the "document" pull down and choose "set default music font".


If that brings no joy, Coda released an update for the 2006 default  
fonts which you can download here:


http://www.codamusic.com/downloads/index.asp

That might bring things to life.

Repairing permissions never hurts.


Also another solution is to clear the font cache  There are several 
utilities to do this, including Font Finagler.


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[Finale] OT: closing kit gesture at the end of a piece?

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I'm sure the wisdom of this list can help me here:

Is there a name for the drum kit cliche that typically (used to) close 
off the final chord of soft jazz/lounge pieces?  It sort of sounds like 
a triplet down the toms down to the kick drum/snare.


Thanks for any help,

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[Finale] F2007 Linked part issues - wiki?

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There have been quite a few discussions about the vagaries of the new 
linked parts in Finale 2007, and the various workarounds for its 
limitations and inadequacies.


By any chance, is anyone logging these?  Would someone be willing to put 
up a wiki or something to which we could all contribute our problems and 
solutions?  It may save many questions later.


(I would do so but just don't have time right now)

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[Finale] Early impressions of 2007

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FWIW (not much most likely), I installed Finale 2007 and gave it a go today.

It's interesting going from 2005 to 2007 on the Mac.  Some things are 
much slower (scrolling up the list of custom smart shapes - g), but 
other things (e.g. selection tool) seem more responsive, thank goodness.


There are some small touches which are much appreciated: e.g. we can 
finally resize the handles on the Mac, which makes life easier on big 
screens.  Also finally being able to put the instrument name 
automatically in the part will help just that little bit more.


Are the new resizing-icon-when-mouseover behaviours of the tool palettes 
a new behaviour in Finale 2007?  I find it distracting somehow.


I wish they had fixed more annoyances:

* The Text Expression and Articulation boxes are still non-resizable, 
and ridiculously small for modern screen real estate;


* The new placement of the Enharmonic spelling within Preferences is 
further away from the action, as is the Measurement Units now in the 
View menu;


* I find the Apple-shift-option-H kbd shortcut for Show/Hide doesn't 
work most of the time;


* There is no keyboard shortcut for "Edit Score"?

* Is it possible to have a staff style display in the part but not in 
the score?


Altogether so far, it seems like a worthwhile upgrade in many respects.

Just my 2c

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Re: [Finale] If I only had an option

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Dejan Badnjar wrote:



Can you imagine if Finale 2007 had an option to draw hairpins in the
Smart Shape Tool/Tab Slide/Smart Line Designer so that you can be
able to make all instances of dynamic changes (eg. Ppp,
etc) and display them in a separate menu for selection (with
metatools), applying them as Pedal markings attached to notes. Talk
about consistency and accuracy. In my long experience with engraving
scores this is where you spend most time, and more when you do the
same thing for extracted parts. I have asked Tobias years ago about
this. This should really be easy to implement. Music Press has
similar feature but with separate dynamics and hairpins.


What you are really saying is:

* Custom smart shapes should be able to be note-attached as well as 
bar-attached, and


* We should be able to have any shape as the 'line' in a custom smart 
shape (e.g. a hairpin, a box etc.).


I agree that these are fabulous suggestions, and can I advise you to 
submit a feature request for both of these to Makemusic?  I have done so 
for these in the past, and will do so again.


Fingers x'ed for the future,

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

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Johannes Gebauer wrote:


I might be missing something, but what is wrong with having items which 
can be set to only display in the score, even before parts exist. Ok, an 
additional benefit might be to include a mechanism which could 
selectivly link them to certain parts, but as a start I'd be quite happy 
to have an object category which is permanently not present in the 
parts. I can see no problems with such objects. It would be extremely 
useful for footnotes and the likes.


You mean like what we have with Text Expressions and the associated 
staff lists?  We could have a staff list for other associated items. 
Why not?  The mechanism is already there.


I use these for things like Score in C which is attached to the piccolo 
or whatever and set to show always on the top score staff.


I am going to find things like bar numbers to be a much bigger problem. 
 Attaching bar numbers beneath the bottom staff, centred, has proven 
very popular with conductors.  But I don't want them in the part!


Same of course in reverse with the clefs in cues (sigh).

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Re: [Finale] Logic to Finale

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Darcy James Argue wrote:



It's possible I may need to create Finale files based on a client's  
Logic (sequencer) files. I've never done this before, so I have some  
questions:


1) I assume the fasted way to go would be to have Finale import MIDI  
files exported from Logic. Is there anything the client should do (in  
terms of quantization or whatever) to make this process easier?


2) What would be the recommended settings for importing the MIDI  
files into Finale?


3) Does anyone have any useful tips for efficiently cleaning up the  
notation of the imported MIDI files?


Answers to these questions, plus any other advice/input, would be  
greatly appreciated.


I do this regularly.  Honestly, the quickest way is to print out all the 
parts individually and then re-enter them into Finale.


Then send a feature request to Apple requesting MusicXML import/export 
from Logic.


Logic has a semi-nice feature called "Interpret" which makes pretty good 
sense of the normal MIDI mumbo-jumbo.  I'm not sure if there's a way to 
imprint this interpretation onto the MIDI itself.


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[Finale] Speed of 2007 on Intel Macs?

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Just out of interest, can anyone inform us about the speed of Finale 
2007 on Intel Macs compared to, for example, 2006 under Rosetta?


Is the speed boost as significant as perhaps it should be?

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

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dhbailey wrote:

That reminds me of the scene in the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup, where 
Groucho is the new head of state and at a cabinet meeting someone raises 
the issue of taxes.


Secretary: We must discuss the taxes.
Groucho: I'm sorry, that's new business, we're discussing old business 
right now.  Any more old business to discuss? Okay, let's discuss new 
business.

Secretary: We have to discuss the taxes!
Groucho: I'm sorry, that's old business now, we can't discuss that, 
we're discussing new business now.


MakeMusic introduces a new feature which isn't quite as right as it 
could be.
Next year, it's an old feature and we know they aren't great at 
improving old features, preferring to pack in new features.

Five years/versions later, that once-new feature hasn't been improved.

Now that's true with some things, but definitely not true with others, 
so it isn't quite a fair depiction of things.


But it certainly does seem accurate some times, even with major features 
which aren't licensed from others.


Agreed 100%.  At times I am bewildered by the good folks at Makemusic 
when they introduce half-baked functions which, as you point out, are 
not subsequently improved.


A case in point: the Space Systems Evenly function.  There was an 
outstanding model for how this should work through Jari's plugin, 
including both the capacity to leave extra space at the top and bottom 
of the page, as well as including current distances in the calculations. 
 But what we were given is nothing but the bare bones, rendering it 
almost useless for anything more than the most rudimentary of 
requirements.  It has not been improved since to the best of my knowledge.


To be fair though, the selection tool has improved over the years, as 
have a few other items.  As well they should.


I sincerely hope that parts-score linking doesn't stagnate.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

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Robert Patterson wrote:

I have tested all of my plugins in part view, and in the few situations 
where mine caused bizarre results they do not run in part view. (That 
is, they flash you back to score view when you run them.) The two 
functions I found in my own plugins where you could get into trouble 
were (using a plugin) to


a) add a page to a part.


Firstly, thanks Robert for addressing all of these issues.  It's great 
to have someone so knowledgeable letting us know about them.


Do you know if it's possible to add a blank page to the part but not the 
linked score?


I hope that they do in fact fix some of the inadequacies of the linked 
parts as described by this list in a maintenance update (i.e. access to 
plugins, linked/unlinked bar numbers, hairpin adjustments), and that we 
don't have to wait a whole year for these fundamental necessities.


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[Finale] Glacial Mac OS X Finale 2005 solution

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I've recently had the problem wherein my version of Finale 2005 was 
exceedingly slow - i.e. like running Finale on a Mac Classic (well, 
probably not that bad, but taking 5 seconds to redraw the screen was not 
fun).


The solution was to clear the font cache from the machine.  The 
difference is amazing!


After this, not only does Finale run at a fast speed, but now all of my 
fonts display correctly within the application.


Just in case in helps anyone else

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Re: [Finale] Disappearing expressions in extracted parts

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Don Hart wrote:

> Hi Matthew, Two things quickly come to mind that you may or may not
> have already checked: - if these are staff exps, are they set to show
> only in your score and not your parts? - have you restarted your
> computer and/or Finale in a while? Hope this helps. Don Hart


Thanks very much Don, but I tried those things as well without success.

Re. the staff list suggestion - the weird thing is that it shows certain 
expressions but not all, and they're all using the same staff list. 
Even changing them to show on "All Staves" before extracting makes no 
difference.


I also tried to extract the parts using the old-fashioned Special Part 
Extraction, but it did the same thing... :-(


For some reason Horns 3 and 4 are the only part to which it is 
happening, which makes it all the more frustrating - there is no rhyme 
or reason to it.


Matthew




on 7/28/06 6:14 AM, Matthew Hindson wrote:
> > Finale 2005b, Mac OS X 10.4.7
> >
> > Has anyone had any problems with disappearing text expressions in
> > extracted parts?
> >
> > I have extracted some horn parts and if I extract a further part from
> > it, or do a Data Check, most (but not all) of the expressions will
> > totally disappear.
> >
> > Not only that, but trying to adjust anything occurs at a glacial 
speed -

> > e.g. with a three second delay between moving the mouse and the element
> > actually moving at all.
> >
> > It's driving me @[EMAIL PROTECTED] nuts - just like being back on a Mac Classic 
again.

> >
> > According to the Activity Monitor, Finale is only using 6% of the
> > processor.  There is plenty of space for temp files and the like.
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Matthew
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[Finale] Disappearing expressions in extracted parts

[Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct]

Finale 2005b, Mac OS X 10.4.7

Has anyone had any problems with disappearing text expressions in 
extracted parts?


I have extracted some horn parts and if I extract a further part from 
it, or do a Data Check, most (but not all) of the expressions will 
totally disappear.


Not only that, but trying to adjust anything occurs at a glacial speed - 
e.g. with a three second delay between moving the mouse and the element 
actually moving at all.


It's driving me @[EMAIL PROTECTED] nuts - just like being back on a Mac Classic 
again.

According to the Activity Monitor, Finale is only using 6% of the 
processor.  There is plenty of space for temp files and the like.


Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Re: [Finale] Tremolo printing bug

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Michael Cook wrote:


This was confirmed by MM on the public forums ( http:// 
forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=145572 ) where Carla from MM  
said "Just to confirm, I did check to make sure this font issue is  
written up. I added a note to the report that more users are getting  
tripped up by it."


If you e-mail MM about it, it might help to move this bug higher on  
the priority list.


Michael Cook

On 10 Jun 2006, at 03:41, Rich C wrote:

> I recall a discussion about a bug people were reporting not too  
> long ago with tremolo printing.  I discovered just now that the  
> Maestro characters contain duplicate instances of one of the  
> slashes, which possibly is the reason for some printers not  
> printing them correctly.

>
> Does anyone recall if MM confirmed the issue and said they would  
> fix it?

>
> If not, I'll e-mail them about it.  In the meantime, if you're  
> having problems with this (and have a font editor), then try  
> deleting the extra instances.

>
> Rich Caldwell


I too have been bitten by this bug on a regularly irregular basis, and 
not just on the tremolo (3 slash) but on the 2-slash version as well.


My current solution is to instead employ the Engraver Font Set versions.

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