Re: [Finale] Mac OS issue

[Mike Greensill]

I hate to be so naivebut where is the preference file?

Mike G.

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 6:27 PM Lawrence David Eden 
wrote:

> I solved my Crashing Finale problem by deleting the Finale Preferences
> File.  Hated setting everything up again, but Finale is now running
> smoothly again.  I wonder if this will fix Mike G’s problem as well.
>
> Larry Eden
>
> > On Feb 10, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Mike Greensill 
> wrote:
> >
> > I just did the same and Finale 25 has slowed noticeably. Also a strange
> > behavior has returnedwhen I use the staff tool to alter the distance
> > between stave, all the music on the staves disappears while I'm moving
> them.
> >
> > Mike G.
> >
> > www.mikegreensill.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:02 AM Lawrence David Eden 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings and a word of warning to others:
> >>
> >> Yesterday, I installed the latest Security Update for Mac OS.  (I am
> >> running 10.13.6).  I zapped the PRAM after I did the installation.
> >>
> >> When I opened Finale 25.5 to continue work on a project, my MIDI
> settings
> >> were different. Using Speedy when the score was displayed in transposed
> >> pitch caused a return of the minor seconds sounding as I entered each
> >> note.  This was a problem that my colleagues on the List helped me fix
> last
> >> summer.  Question is:  was it the Security Update or the PRAM Zap that
> >> changed things in Finale.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?  Have any of you experienced this issue as well?
> >>
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Re: [Finale] Mac OS issue

[Mike Greensill]

I just did the same and Finale 25 has slowed noticeably. Also a strange
behavior has returnedwhen I use the staff tool to alter the distance
between stave, all the music on the staves disappears while I'm moving them.

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On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:02 AM Lawrence David Eden 
wrote:

> Greetings and a word of warning to others:
>
> Yesterday, I installed the latest Security Update for Mac OS.  (I am
> running 10.13.6).  I zapped the PRAM after I did the installation.
>
> When I opened Finale 25.5 to continue work on a project, my MIDI settings
> were different. Using Speedy when the score was displayed in transposed
> pitch caused a return of the minor seconds sounding as I entered each
> note.  This was a problem that my colleagues on the List helped me fix last
> summer.  Question is:  was it the Security Update or the PRAM Zap that
> changed things in Finale.
>
> Any ideas?  Have any of you experienced this issue as well?
>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 25

[Mike Greensill]

"But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
25." Robert

Hardly seems worth it even for $99...especially when I'm quite happy with
2012.

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> The TGTools Mac 64-bit beta is definitely better than the TGTools Mac beta
> for Fin14.5.
>
> My experience is that human playback is MUCH faster to start in 25 than
> 14.5.
>
> I haven't seen the crash on exit.
>
> But even so, feature-wise there is virtually no difference between 14.5 and
> 25. The main one I can think of (besides some playback tweaks) is that time
> signatures can be hidden/show separately in score and part.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Eric Dannewitz 
> wrote:
>
> > I noticed it was faster than 2014.5 and that TGTools 64 bit seemed to
> work
> > better.
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> The time signature dialogue can finally be clicked again, rather than
> > dragged (as in versions up to 2014), but the key signature dialogue
> (which
> > was fine) can now not be clicked and has to be dragged.
> > >
> > > Further to this, the key sig box does have clickable arrows, but not
> > when setting up from a template.
> > >
> > > Steve P.
> > >
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Mike Greensill]

Thanks folks...I think I'll stick with what I have and wait until this
computer dies. I'm actually quite happy with 2012, it does everything I
need. I have 2014 but don't like it much!

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Eric Dannewitz <ericd...@jazz-sax.com>
wrote:

> 10.9 can run 64 bit apps. You can check to see what your system is running
> by opening terminal and doing “uname -a”
>
> RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 means 64 bit is running
> RELEASE_I386 i386 is 32 bit.
>
> I’m sorta stuck on 10.9 due to a graphics card issue……i’d have to spend
> some $$ to get a new graphics card.
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Mike Greensill <m...@mikegreensill.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
> > the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?
> >
> > Love
> >
> > Mike G.
> >
> > www.mikegreensill.com
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> > home - 707 967 9491
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal <
> deanrosent...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello -
> >>
> >> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> >> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using
> TIFFs
> >> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
> >>
> >> Dean
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Re: [Finale] Monday sale

[Mike Greensill]

I'm thinking of doing it toobut what I can't seem to find is info on
the system requirements. I'm still on 10.9.5. Is that too old for 64 bit?

Love

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Dean Rosenthal 
wrote:

> Hello -
>
> Finale is having their "Cyber Monday" - Finale is $99. Worth the upgrade
> from 2014.5? If so, why? Also, is the scanning music in feature using TIFFs
> gone - will look that up. Thanks for your input.
>
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Re: [Finale] Finale vNext

[Mike Greensill]

WellI don't see shelling out $149 for what seems like almost no new
features and no promises of bug fixes. When it comes down to it I'm
thrilled with the way 2012 works, it does everything I need. I had no luck
with 2014. Maybe if I got a new computer with all the latest mac operating
systems I might be tempted. But I'm leery about upgrading because it seems
that so many older programs won't work any more.

Love

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:58 AM, j...@thomastudios.com 
wrote:

> OK.  I’ll get the ball rolling here.  Just received my notification that
> the last version of Finale is now available.  I rarely jump on things right
> away, preferring all the rest of you early-adopters to be extended beta
> testers!
>
> For $149 uprgrade fee, this version, for me, has to be much FASTER,
> especially with larger files, all or most of the old, ancient existing bugs
> expunged (or close to it), on and on.
>
> Let’s start the discussion folks!
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale 2012

[Mike Greensill]

I use "speedy" with a midi keyboard and find it's very, very quick for
entering notes. Apparently the 'powers that be' at Finale much prefer
"simple" but I just don'y see it myself. My biggest fear is that someday
they'll dump "speedy".

I use templates that I've created for almost all my projects from a full
symphony score, to big band, to piano trio. Saves vast amounts of time and
everything always looks as you would like it, from the fonts used to
personal chords suffixes, page layout etc.

Mike G.

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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:26 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 2/17/2016 1:57 PM, Martin Nickless wrote:
> > As a relative newcomer to finale I would like to seek the opinion of
> > people out there and which means They think is the quickest way to
> > input notation etc into finale on the completion of a Pen and paper
> > sketch Do most people tend to have templates already set up for the
> > project they're about to start on ? I use a laptop and a midi
> > keyboard but when I'm away from home can entering notes on the laptop
> > manually also be a fast process also Last one which plug-ins are
> > essential for speed Very best regards thank you Martin
> >
>
> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.  If you switch between using a
> midi keyboard and not using a midi keyboard to enter the music using
> Speedy Entry be sure that the toggle Use Midi Device for input is
> unchecked if you're using only the computer's keyboard or all you'll get
> are rests.
>
> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.
>
> I don't find plug-ins to be helpful for entering the notation -- they're
> great for things after the initial music entry but I find they get in
> the way when I'm in the music entry phase of a project.
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Re: [Finale] Line

[Mike Greensill]

Darcy introduced me to an excellent term for this; he calls it rhythmic
authority. It means the player may not be putting rhythms down exactly
according to the metronome, but he knows (and we can hear) exactly what his
relationship to the ground pulse is. I had never heard it expressed so
specifically before, and I use it all the time now.

This is just so excellent. Darcy, can I quote you in the next edition of my
book Playing for Singers? I talk about this very thing in terms of
accompanying singers in out of tempo versesbut not so succinctly!
Bravo.

Love

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Dear Barbara,

 Christopher and Darcy are spot on - exactly right about Bill's rhythmic
 authority. The trick is to listen and feel the pulse as Bill felt and
 expressed it, and it's far simpler than this transcription indicates.

 I played with Bill for about 6 years and his expression of underlying
 pulse was so clear that it was possible to play all the rubatos with him -
 always coordinated and without so much as the slightest head nod from Bill.
 Since that was not only possible but even easy, it should be possible to
 hear and notate this clearly.

 It is extraordinarily beautiful and worth doing. Where there may be useful
 information in this transcription is in the notation of some of the
 subdivisions in the melody.

 Good luck,

 Chuck

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 2, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Christopher Smith 
 christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:
 
 
  On Thu Jul 2, at ThursdayJul 2 4:52 PM, Barbara Touburg wrote:
 
  On 2-7-2015 22:44, Darcy James Argue wrote:
  This is a dismayingly wrong-headed, over-literal transcription.
 
  I know, I know. I'm taking the pedantry out. :)
  But what do these lines mean?
 
  Thank goodness you are doing that! This transcriber doesn't seem to hear
 ground pulse at all. Bill Evans had time so good he was almost a mutant,
 and we can hear it perfectly even in his rubato playing. Darcy introduced
 me to an excellent term for this; he calls it rhythmic authority. It
 means the player may not be putting rhythms down exactly according to the
 metronome, but he knows (and we can hear) exactly what his relationship to
 the ground pulse is. I had never heard it expressed so specifically before,
 and I use it all the time now.
 
  I thought at first the brackets might be a pedal marking, but no, it was
 only a coincidence at first. It seems that it might be an indication where
 Bill goes from separately articulated notes to a more legato phrasing.
 Perhaps any other writer would put a slur over the phrase. There is so much
 needless stuff in this notation that I would question the very need to
 indicate some of what he notated.
 
  Christopher
 
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Re: [Finale] So many problems with Finale 2014

[Mike Greensill]

Yes Eric...we've all tried trashing preferences and every other
suggestionthe fact is that, for some unknown reason, for some of us
2014 is a disaster and unusable.

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On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
wrote:

 Have you tried trashing the preferences? That is probably more helpful
 than coming on this list and venting about a waste of time the program
 is. Finale 2014 is working great for me

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  On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Alberto Guzmán Naranjo albe...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  It is so unfortunate the situation with Finale 2014, installed into a
 great
  iMac and permanently presenting problems: crashes, falls, it turns off.
 Who
  is responsible for all this wasted time? I paid for an expensive program
  and I’m not getting the service I’ve supposedly purchased.
 
  I feel so tired with all this bugs
 
  I Dream of time when we all was writing by hand.
 
  Merry Christmas
 
 
  Alberto Guzmán Naranjo
  Director de Orquesta - Compositor
  Profesor Titular Universidad del Valle
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Re: [Finale] MakeMusic joins Peaksware

[Mike Greensill]

Here's a quote from the Sibelius blog that makes me think their long term
plans are in the education and learning worlds and not the professional
musician world. I'm going to be hanging on to 2012 for dear life :)

Andy Stephens is now chairman of both MakeMusic and Peaksware.Gear said
that “Andy made me aware of his investment in MakeMusic. His vision is to
build a broader company with a common goal around developing platforms
for deliberate
practice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_%28learning_method%29#Deliberate_practice.
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_%28learning_method%29#Deliberate_practice
)  Andy asked me to re-imagine MakeMusic in the way we had built
TrainingPeaks.

Mike G.

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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Will Roberts whrcompo...@fastmail.fm
wrote:

 Good evening friends,

 Big news out of MakeMusic today. What does this mean for Finale?


 http://www.makemusic.com/documents/2014/08/makemusic-joins-peaksware-press-release.pdf

 http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/makemusic-joins-peaksware/


 http://tcbmag.com/News/Recent-News/2014/August/MakeMusic,-A-115-Worker-Co-,-To-Leave-MN

 Best,
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Re: [Finale] 2014 crashes

[Mike Greensill]

It just crashed when I was deleting a lyric, it seems many different
actions can cause crashes, very unstable.Grrr. I'm back on 2012
except for projects I already started in '14.

Mike G.  imac 10.9.2 Finale 2014a

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On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

 Various things can trigger crashes, it seems. I was experiencing a
 similar problem, different trigger, but editing an expression always
 caused a crash. One of the things tech support suggested was removing
 the custom menu commands I'd created in Mac OS System
 Prefs/Keyboard/Shortcuts. It helped, though I still get an occasional
 crash.

 JR



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  Anyone else experiencing this?
 
  Mac OS 10.8, Finale 2014a
 
  I'm creating a template in 2014. Whenever I try to change a staff name in
  the score manager, Finale crashes. Any change in that field seems to
  trigger the crash, as it happens when I try to change the font, or just
  type something new.
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Re: [Finale] Any idea if/when there will be a patch B for 2014?

[Mike Greensill]

It's so slow and crashes all the timemost unusable upgrade ever.
Back to 2012.

Mike G.

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On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 9:56 AM, J D Thomas j...@thomastudios.com wrote:

 There is also a startup bug for those with Apple displays.  Forced me back
 to the pre-A version.

 From the sounds of Chuck and Craig, that's where I'll stay.

 J D Thomas
 ThomaStudios

 On Apr 5, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:

  There are a bunch of bugs in the A version.  That smart find and paste
  is so messed up, it is practically unusable.  Half the time, when
  copying hairpins, some of them get wildly wrong coordinates in the
  target measures, stretching them over 40 measures or something. And it
  no longer finds matches properly.  It worked fine for me up through 2012.
 
  This is turning what should have been a 60 minute editing job into a 5
  hour marathon because I have to apply all my slurs and hairpins manually.
 
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Re: [Finale] Mark Johnson's Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide -- a bookworth considering!

[Mike Greensill]

One of the reasons I went back to 2011 is because I couldn't get my head
around the score manager...so I need a chapter that I can read and digest
as if I was learning the program from scratch.

Mike G.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:24 AM, John Witmer wit...@nctv.com wrote:

 Hey David,
 With your suggestion, I sat down with Mark's opus (Finale 2012 A
 Trailblazer
 Guide) in hand
 to learn how to use the Score Manager.
 There is no item in the table of contents about the SM so I looked in the
 index.
 There are 3 citations there, but they only talk about the SM to solve some
 very specific tasks.
 I wish there was a comprehensive chapter on the Score Manager.
 It is such a new concept for Finale
 that it deserves a more thorough treatment.
 Finale remains very much a teach yourself program!
 Chordially, John
 A Finale user since 1998

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 From: David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:03 AM
 Subject: [Finale] Mark Johnson's Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide -- a
 bookworth considering!


  Remember when Finale came with real, printed manuals?  Don't you wish it
  still did?
 
  I just wanted to point out that people who are upgrading to Finale 2014
  or purchasing Finale for the first time might want to purchase Mark
  Johnson's Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide to assist with the upgrade.
  Mark has been publishing these books for the past few upgrades and I
  have found them immensely helpful in navigating around the pitfalls of
  each new upgrade.
 
  Notable potential pitfalls are the ScoreManager (still -- many people
  haven't gotten used to how this works compared to the older Instrument
  List dialog) and the newly redesigned percussion dialog.
 
  These books are great for new users as well as long-time users who may
  have gotten entrenched in older workflows which have changed with these
  newer versions.  It's especially helpful for people who haven't upgraded
  for a long time.
 
  You can order it from MakeMusic when you order your upgrade (or
  separately) or you can order it from amazon.
 
  [Disclaimer: Mark is a friend and he's using a quote from me on the
  cover, but other than that I have no business association with the sale
  of this book and don't make any money from the sale of the book, so this
  really is a friendly suggestion and not a ploy for me to earn money.]
 
 
 
  --
  David H. Bailey
  dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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[Finale] File manager error, when trying to save.

[Mike Greensill]

I am currently working on a symphony pops score in Finale 2010. I just
tried to save it and got this message...

While attempting to access the TemporySaveFile The file manager reported
an error.

So I thought I'd best make another copy of the score so I attempted to do a
save as, but I got the same message.

I then tried to globally copy everything in case I had to start a new
template, and I got this messgae...

While attempting to access the EnigmaTemp171185 The file manager
reported an error.

Any ideas, I'm too scared to close the file?

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Re: [Finale] File manager error, when trying to save.

[Mike Greensill]

Thanks GuysI did have auto save on, so I only lost 15 minutes
workwhich the way my brain is working these days ain't much work!

I opened it in 2012 and it seems OK. I was using 2010 because that's where
my template was. Time to put in the work and get up to speed in 2012.

Mike G.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 If AutoSave is on, then it is possible that the last one of those is OK -
 missing whatever happened in between, of course.  If you can salvage an AS
 version, the next thing to do would be to check for a corrupted preference
 file.  This used to happen a lot in 2010 - so much so that I always kept a
 copy of my preference file handy to use as a replacement when they got
 corrupted.

 I remember this same frustration - it happened often in 2010.

 Chuck


 On May 13, 2013, at 4:49 PM, SN jef chippewa 
 shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:

 
  what about save as?  i suppose the same thing, just checking
 
  ah, seem to have skipped the line where you mentioned this.
 
  also try auto-backup with same procedure
 
  you probably have only lost information back to the last save... (we
 hope)
 
 
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Re: [Finale] F2012: How to stop chord playback for specific instruments?

[Mike Greensill]

The simplest way to avoid chord playback is go to the Chord Menu and
un-check Enable Chord Playback.

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[Finale] Score Manager

[Mike Greensill]

I have to admit that I don't much like the 'score manager' and have
gone back to 2010/11 for work that needs to be done in a hurry. Other
innovations like 'linked parts' I seemed to have been able to
integrate pretty quickly into my work flow. But there's part of me
that thinks, this is a great program, it can do amazingly complicated
things, and I know how to manipulate it...so I don't need anymore
improvements. I'm wasting time learning new things that may or may not
help me to write better music, but in the mean time I could be
practicing, or actually writing more! Let's face it, as a notation
program, Finale is already great. I'm fed up with $$$ per year for
so-called improvements.


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Re: [Finale] part names

[Mike Greensill]

When I'm sure I'm finished with the score I still make a separate  
copy of the file for the parts. Then all I have to think about is  
what's needed for the parts and not give a damn if it affects  
anything in the score.


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Re: [Finale] Fin2010 announced

[Mike Greensill]

I thought it might be interesting to copy and paste a posting from  
Andrew at MM that was on the Finale Forums.


Mike Greensill

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New Features in Finale 2010


Easier Percussion Entry. Entering percussion has been greatly  
simplified with on-screen feedback that displays the percussion  
instrument you are about to enter.


New Percussion Layouts. Assigning the staff position and notehead for  
percussion instrument staves has never been easier with Finale's new  
percussion layouts.


Percussion MIDI Maps. To assign the appropriate MIDI notes to your  
percussion parts automatically when you change the playback  
instrument, use the Percussion Map column of the Instrument List.


Beat-attached Chord Symbols. Chord symbols are now beat-attached, and  
no longer require a host note or rest. Notes beneath chords can be  
edited autonomously.


Improved Chord Playback. Chord symbols now play for the duration of  
the measure, or to the next chord symbol. Simply type N.C. (for no  
chord) to interrupt chord playback.


Improved Chord Input. Type-in and/or Play-in chords without changing  
modes.


Chord scaling. Chord symbols resize with the page automatically.  
Chords and fretboards can be scaled for a whole document in Document  
Options-Chords, or for a region using the Change Chord Assignments  
dialog box.


Automatic Rehearsal Marks. Adding, deleting, and ordering rehearsal  
marks is now simple and completely automatic.


Improved MusicXML. Finale’s updated MusicXML capabilities include  
enhanced recognition of chord symbols and fretboards.


Alternate Notation. Finale now offers more control over what elements  
are shown or hidden when you apply alternate notation.


Music Education Worksheets. Finale now includes hundreds of ready- 
made, educator-approved, music education worksheets.


Improved Graphic Support. Finale now supports more graphic file types  
for import AND export. New import support includes JPEG, PNG, BMP,  
and GIF while new export support includes JPEG and PNG.


Broadway Copyist Handwritten Music Notation Font. Finale 2010  
includes the new Broadway Copyist music notation font, created by  
Robert Piechaud, designer of the esteemed November and Medieval music  
fonts. Inspired by the golden era of handwritten Broadway scores, the  
Broadway Copyist font offers a lighter appearance.


Audio and Playback Enhancements (including support of VST/AU Effects  
Plug-ins). Finale 2010 now supports VST/AU effects plug-ins, includes  
the Garritan Ambience reverb plug-in, and offers expanded volume  
control.


Export Lyrics. Finale’s Lyrics Tool makes it easy to export all or  
part of your lyrics to a word-processing document, and offers new  
controls to edit your lyrics (adding verse/chorus designations not  
found in your score, for example) before you export to the clipboard.


Improved Scanning/SmartScore Lite Enhancements. Finale now includes  
SmartScore Lite version 5, offering the best music scanning ever. A  
new interface lets you specify the instrumentation of the scanned  
staves, ensuring transposing instruments are translated correctly.


Improved Help. Not only is Finale easier to use, finding help when  
you need it is easier too! You will notice a cleaner Help Menu,  
convenient User Manual welcome screen, and improved topic  
organization. Powerful filters allow for targeted searches, which  
allow you to eliminate clutter and quickly identify the content you  
need.





Fixes in Finale 2010


Chords and Fretboards

Removing manual adjustments on chord symbols and fretboards no longer  
deselects their handles.


Alignment arrows for positioning fretboards no longer continue to  
show when switching to a document without fretboards.


Position Fretboards no longer becomes checked when no fretboards are  
showing, then switching from a document where they are.


Copying

Stack-copying and pasting music with a pickup measure no longer  
clears the pickup measure setting in the target document.


Documentation

The correct version of the EntryExercise.mus file is now installed in  
the Tutorials folder.


Document Options

The obsolete Expressions checkbox in Document Options-Music Spacing  
has been removed.


Exercise Wizard

NC and IL exercises are now installed.

Expressions

Inserting a non-stack selection preceding a measure containing a  
layer attached expression no longer hangs Finale.


Layer Assignments for Expressions are now retained when copied.

Adding staves to an extracted part no longer causes Expressions (that  
were used in the original score) to appear in the newly added staves.


Deleting measures no longer causes Expressions assigned to Score  
Lists to disappear from parts.


Keyboard shortcuts

The shortcut for Insert from Clip File (Option-Command-I) is no  
longer conflicted with the shortcut for opening the Audio Unit  
Instruments dialog box.


MIDI files

In a MIDI file, notes tied to the last note of a Tuplet now

Re: [Finale] Fin2010 announced

[Mike Greensill]

After having watched the videos on the new chord entry and rehearsal  
marks featuresI think the rotters are going to draw me in again.  
The chord entry will sure save me a lot of timebut $99 worth?  
Arghh, I guess so.


I bought the last upgrade just to be able to edit on multiple pages.  
I wish the upgrades were more like 2 years apart and therefore  
included more for your money.


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Re: [Finale] Fin2010 announced

[Mike Greensill]

I didn't notice on a quick scan of the promo ... is Fin 10  
available as we speak? Dean


No. They just want our money now.


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[Finale] Speedy entry in Finale 2009?

[Mike Greensill]

I'm surprised they seemed to have dropped Speedy Note Entry from  
2009.


Have they? I won't be getting it if so..and I was about to order it.

I was impressed with Bernards description of his conversion to simple  
entry, but speedy works so well for me..why would I want to  
invest all that time and frustration in learning a new method.  
There's beer to be consumed.


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Re: [Finale] Chord symbol fonts

[Mike Greensill]

Why isn't there a direct link to the Chord Suffix editor?

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[Finale] Lyrics conundrum

[Mike Greensill]

I'm in the middle of a very long chart that originally had a D.S al  
Coda. But the page turns to go back were not workable so I'm going to  
write it straight through.


The chart involves a vocal line with verse one and verse two  
lyrics on the original D.S.. So I copied the music and lyrics to the  
new measures I attached to the end of the chart. So now of course I  
need to get rid of verse two in the first section and verse one in  
the second section.


Is there a way to do this, with mass mover or a plug-in?  If I just  
try and erase verse one in the added section, it erases them in the  
first section as well. I presume because I copied them there.


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[Finale] Staff List problem

[Mike Greensill]

I have just added two staves to an existing score and am trying to  
edit the staff lists to include the new staves. But the staff list  
dialogue box is completely unresponsive. It won't let me add anything  
on the score or the parts. Any ideas.


Now I've made up a brand new template with the setup wizard and the  
same thing applies. Can't edit OR create new staff lists.


This has happened to me before and I can't remember whether there's a  
solution or whether it just goes away. The question is, has this  
happened to anyone else?


Finale 2007c. 17 powerbook. 1.5 megs RAM

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Re: [Finale] Staff List problem

[Mike Greensill]

Here's a weird thing. I have had this problem as follows.

I put the mac to sleep with Finale, Safari and Mail open..and  
often when I wake it up Finale quits. Of course I now make sure I  
save before putting it to sleep.


So it just happened again and guess what.I open the file I was  
working on and the Staff Lists are now working fine.


Go figure.

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[Finale] Staff lists not responding

[Mike Greensill]

I know this subject came up in 2006 because it happened to me then,  
but I can't remember the solution.


I can't seem to, either edit or produce new, staff lists in 2007a.  
This is on a document originally produced on an earlier Finale, 2002  
I think, and copied and inserted into a 2007 template. The dialogue  
box is just unresponsive. Nothing happens when one clicks.


BTW is anyone else still having the jumping pages problem in page  
view? And I also have an occasional strange happening when I produce  
a measure expression. I'll create it, choose This Staff Only and  
when I press OK it appears for an instant on the score then  
disappears. Nowhere to be found. I'll try it again and it's just fine.


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Re: [Finale] drum notation (jazz)

[Mike Greensill]

Chuck

Thank you for sharing. Very, very helpful to look at your drum parts!  
Much to learn there. I have to admit that until recently often the  
one part I would still copy by hand was the drums. So much quicker.


Christopher has solved one mystery.I was going to  
ask about the 3D effect for the sign and coda. And was sorry to hear  
of Bill Duncan's passing, I always meant to buy his fonts! I wonder  
if it will still be possible.


I like the slightly larger time signatures and the thicker  
multimeasure rests. And Christopher makes a compelling argument for  
notating every measure.


I've now done two projects in 2007a and so far I think I really like  
linked parts. But I'm sure that wouldn't have been the case If I  
hadn't closely followed all the experimenting and angsting done by  
all you folk.


What a great list.

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Re: [Finale] drum notation (jazz)

[Mike Greensill]

Dear Chuck/Bob

Would you be willing to share with us just a snippit of one of your  
drum parts. So that we can see your methods. I don't quite  
understand the slashes in layer 1 and cues in layer 3 part. Do you  
put the slashes, as usual in the middle of the stave to indicate  
time, and the cues when needed above the staff?


How do you deal with long stretches of just playing? I produce  
multimeasure rests in the part, make them blank with staff styles,  
then use the expression tool to write in the staff PLAY 8 etc. just  
as if I was doing the part by hand. Is there an easier way?


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[Finale] Finale and playback and various ramblings.

[Mike Greensill]

I'm sure that everyones use of Finale differs in some way or another,  
but it does seem to me that if an as near as one can get it to live  
sounding home recording of what one has written is what you're  
after, then a separate program to achieve that would seem the most  
logical to me.


My use of Finale is to write arrangements from big band to symphony  
pops. So I want to be able to enter notes as quickly as possible,  
hear them back with a reasonable facsimile of their corresponding  
sounds (the saxophones will forever sound crappy) and then be able to  
print out parts with less trouble and in less time than it used to  
take me to copy them by hand.


And it's the last part where Finale could do with the most  
improvement. I love having all the tweaking tools that are essential  
to the engravers but I would like to see better music spacing and  
page layout that would look good automatically.  Even though I'm not  
an engraver I do like to see the parts appear almost good enough to  
publish.


I'm sure that achieving a standard that everyone would agree looks  
pretty good out of the box is almost impossible, but I sure wish it  
was better than it is now. The music spacing I especially find awful  
and even after using Finale for 15 years ( I'm sure it's my fault for  
not filling out all the measurments correctly, in all the various  
boxes) the distance between staves after I extract parts ALWAYS needs  
to be changed.


I do feel, especially after reading the posts of the incredibly  
skilled and computer savvy folks on this list, that even though I'm a  
long time user and avid manual reader I can't help but think that,  
along with most computer programs, I only know half of it.


Thanks for listening to the ramblings of a loyal Finale user. I don't  
need to told that Sibleus can do all of that :) I haven't learnt this  
program yet!


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[Finale] subtext for alternate bass

[Mike Greensill]

I can't seem to find how to make subtext the default style for  
alternate bass chords rather than after root.


BTW Dennis' suggestion for a page style feature is the most  
brilliant yet.


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Re: [Finale] subtext for alternate bass

[Mike Greensill]

If you are using the type into score option you just need to  
write something like D7_A


Thanks Rafael..I didn't know that one!

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Re: [Finale] subtext for alternate bass

[Mike Greensill]

D|C (that's the shift backslash, vertical line) gives an alternate  
bass note at about a 45 degree angle down to the right.Christopher


That's the one I was looking for! I thanked Rafael before I'd tried  
his method which turns out not to be the one I wanted. I also don't  
like the vertical arrangement. It's hard to sight read quickly. I  
always want the bass note to the right of the chord and I find the  
horizontal default to be hard on the eye. I now thank you both.


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[Finale] Midi solved-Thanks Hiro

[Mike Greensill]

Thanks so much Hiro, I finally received the MOTU Fastlane and it  
has solved my problems.


Maybe the mac edition of Finale should come with a separate midi for  
dummies booklet, giving suggestions and warning against just using  
the usb connection.



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[Finale] If it isn't one thing it's another

[Mike Greensill]

Dear Hiro and all

The latest midi adventure is ..if I use soft synth, my keyboard  
only sounds if i'm in speedy entry. Any other tool and there's  
silence. If I use quicktime, it works all the time, but those sounds  
are crappy. I'm not gonna mess with GPO!



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[Finale] Continual midi problems

[Mike Greensill]

I'm back to having midi problems, can anyone help?

Finale (2006c) will not recognize my midi keyboard (Radium 49 - USB  
connection) on my mac powerbook (10.4.5)  both after I've put the  
computer to sleep and after it's been shut down.


Here's the hoops I have to go to make it work: When I initially open  
Finale it tells me that it's expecting my keyboard etc. Sure enough  
the keyboard is greyed out in both the audio midi box and the midi  
set up box. I use scan for midi option in case it might work, but  
it never does. So I close Finale and restart the computer. I open  
Finale again and still it doesn't work. I close Finale and open it  
one more time and Hey Presto it works. BUT WHY IS THIS HAPPENING!


It takes me 10 minutes just to start any work. Any ideas?


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[Finale] Melody

[Mike Greensill]

Very nice piece John, I think you've nailed it except for a couple of  
points.


And each and every style period has begun in reaction to that by  
returning to simplicity and emphasizing melody. John


Unfortunately the current reaction to even the modest effort that it  
takes to appreciate the American Songbook has now resulted in the  
masses giving up melody as well. Rap!


 (a) anything worthwhile requires hard work, and that (b) anything  
that doesn't require hard work is not worthwhile.  As an example of  
circular reasoning it is brilliant.  As a description of reality it  
is not..John


You seem to make the point that it's an either or situation. I  
think it's much greyer than that. The reason kids have given up  
melody is because they never get to sing it and never get to hear it.  
The appreciation of any music does take effort and our kids used to  
get it in school whether they wanted it or not. It was part of ones  
education. Now here in the States music is almost nonexistant in  
public schools.


This was brought home to me a couple of years ago at a ballgame where  
I found myself amid a crowd of 12 and 13 year olds. Not one of them  
came anywhere close to being able to sing even a portion of the  
melody of Take Me Out To The Ballgame. If kids aren't taught melody  
they won't ever be able to hear it! It's not Latin but it's good for  
you.


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Re: [Finale] Melody

[Mike Greensill]

But, almost nonexistent?  Surely an exaggeration.Phil

I only have local knowledge. And unfortunately here in the mostly  
wonderful city of San Francisco, except for the performing arts high  
school, music programs have disappeared and it's a continous fight to  
provde any music. I know this because I'm on the board of Music In  
Schools Today and we're attempting to remedy the situation.  I know  
in the rich suburbs where parents invest in their schools things are  
OK, but here in the inner city, where the need for melodic  
inspiration may be greatest, the kids never get to sing.


Mike Greensill

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BTW I'm enjoying all the off-topic chatter, takes my mind off my  
current Finale troubles. Everyday I have to start the computer, open  
Finale, have it tell me that it's expecting midi blah blah, then  
unplug the usb connection of my keyboard, plug it back in, close  
Finale, restart the computer, re-open Finale and presto! It works.  
What is that? I have all the latest drivers etc. powerbook G4 -  
Radium 49 - Finale 2006c

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[Finale] Fenton...the throwback

[Mike Greensill]

 Perhaps I'm a throwback to an older era when people spoke more  
plainly and forcefully, and did not hedge
their opinions in an attempt to disguise significant disagreement  
and, I guess, avoid conflict. David


No David, you're not a throwback. You're a very modern, rude person.  
Who puts down, with venom, anyone who you percieve as naive, wrong  
and/or computer illiterate. And you do this in the environment of the  
internet where bombast doesn't have to be backed up by any physical  
courage.


And the trouble is that you're very smart and have lot's of knowledge  
to add to this forum. So it's a pity that I delete your posts 90% of  
the time.


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Re: [Finale] Midi problems with 2006c

[Mike Greensill]

Thanks for your input Hiro!

I think you're right, it's not a Finale issue. I seem to have had  
midi problems ever since they did away with serial ports. When I got  
my latest computer ( powermac G4 laptop, with no serial ports) I  
tried to use my Fatar controller with a midiman, midi to usb, and  
could never get it to work. So I purchased a usb keyboard. (M-Audio  
Radium 49) on which I do use the power cord and I plug the usb  
straight into the computer, no hub. Though I need to get one.


Being computer illiterate I don't know what host CPU is! I'll see if  
there's a newer driver.


I did get it to work yesterday by fiddling with the midi/select  
controls on the Radium, god knows which ones , I kept pressing the  
reset and midi channel keys. But sure enough this morning, same  
thing. Nothing un-plugged or changed and yet it didn't work. Took me  
another 1/2 hr of fiddling and presto there it was. But it seems like  
a very un-scientific method.


Should I get a better keyboard?

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Re: [Finale] Midi problems with 2006c

[Mike Greensill]

Mike, has your computer gone to sleep with Finale still running?   
Mathew


Thanks Mathew. Yes, I do that all the time, though overnight I  
usually turn everything off.


I did just download the newest driver for my keyboard so I'm hoping  
that will help.


Mike Greensill

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[Finale] Midi problems with 2006c

[Mike Greensill]

It seems that nearly every time I open Finale now it tells me that  
it's expecting blah, blah, blah midi device. Of course the midi  
device is still connected and turned on from the last time I opened  
Finale. Finale seems to have forgotten. So I go to midi set-up and  
sure enough the midi device is greyed out. BUT, nothing I do seems to  
have any affect in that dialogue box, I scan for midi devices , I set  
up a new configuration, blah, blah, blah, then after about an hours  
wasted time it'll suddenly decide to work. I don't know what I've  
done to set if off!


 Is this a preference's thing? Because I've had trouble with Finale  
forgetting them when I open it by double clicking on a file. Don't  
know if it's related but I've programmed Finale's start-up action be  
the launch window. But it never opens when start Finale.


This incredibly annoying, I'm on a deadline and can't afford this  
waste of time! I've been a great supporter of Finale but since system  
X things seem to go wrong all the time. It used to be that all the  
posts on these forums were questions about how to use the program,  
now it's all about bugs!


Mac Powerbook G4 - Radium 49 - Tiger

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[Finale] Beaming question

[Mike Greensill]

I've forgotten how to prevent Finale from beaming across all 4 eight  
note beats when writing two eight notes, an eight note rest, then an  
eight note.
I'm sure it's something in the time signature set up, but what?  I'm  
in 4/4.


I do remember how to split the beam with the slash key.

P.S. Has anyone purchased Bill Duncan's articulation fonts? They do  
look quite wonderful.


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Re: [Finale] Beaming question

[Mike Greensill]

Options | Document Options | Beams

Thanks guys, that's it! If only I could remember settings in Finale  
as well as tunes I learnt 40 years ago.


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Re: [Finale] Re: RTFM, no. It shouldn't be necessary.

[Mike Greensill]

 For all those who don't think it should be grouped with  
Transposition, where would you want to see it?Michael


I'd be happy to see it in the Utilities menu in mass mover. That's  
often where I look for strange things.



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[Finale] Little Kazoo Band

[Mike Greensill]

On Nov 3, 2005, at 9:23 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:As you might guess, the "little kazoo band" remark is what set me  off. Nobody had to put up with that, ever, and the assumption behind  the remark that people *did* have to put up with it just annoys the  hell out of me.  I have to pop in here and make a little statement on behalf of the Luddites amongst us who are musicians first and computer geeks almost not at all.  There seems to me to be folks who use Finale and seem to know the ins and out of every computer operating system and how to manipulate them. And don't tell me to learn about them, I'm still spending my life trying to find out how Mahler does that thing he does. I've always been intimidated by the midi aspect of Finale and in the early days of Finale ownership spent many a wasted hour going back and forth to "Computers and Music" in SF trying to get them to make it work. I'm always amazed that computers can do these amazingly complex tasks but can't tell me which wire to plug to which slot and then which dialogue box might apply to them.So I happily put up with the "little kazoo band" (actually i thought it was quite miraculous to hear my notes played back to me in any form) and the "little kazoo band" saved me much time in rehearsal because I discovered the wrong notes ahead of time. This is all leading up to saying that I appreciate the Garritan sounds and will buy the full set and the jazz band. BUT, along with the engravers, it's the writing of the notes and the printing of them out that is of prime importance. And in that regard Finale worked much better in whatever the last version was in system 9.Mike Greensill  ( 1.67 GHz  G4 powerbook 17" - Finale 2006a (sometimes) - 1.5GB memory )www.mikegreensill.com ___
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Re: [Finale] recording backups

[Mike Greensill]

I have written Macsupport, and Scott Yoho (who is unfailingly responsive) at MM, but they have not encountered this and cannot reproduce it (and are therefor unconcerned about fixing it - they can't find it). ChuckI can't reproduce my crashes either and this is what's scary. It can ruin your work at any time.I remember recording with them in San Francisco - some 20 + years ago (string versions of Monk's music - not their most interesting work - nor mine). Chuck  Kronos recorded 3 of my charts recently at Skywalker and pro tools was used as the main recording device along with DAT back-ups. The recording process was always somewhat mysterious to me, now it's like black magic!P.S. I like the Monk album!Mike Greensillwww.mikegreensill.com ___
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