Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Raymond Horton]

Sorry!

I'll try it some, see how it goes and report back.

RBH


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
> I was *trying* to play in real time...
>
> At 04:31 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>>It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time.  I have
>>had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is
>>instantaneous.  I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb
>>adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the
>>computer or Finale to recognize.  Are you able to use the Casio with a
>>non-usb input of some sort?  I thought midi input cards had gone out
>>with Culture Club?
>>
>>Raymond Horton
>>Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>>Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>>Composer, Arranger
>>VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates
>> wrote:
>> > I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get
>> > used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different
>> > machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be
>> > really annoying and throw off efficiency of
>> note entry. (I have never played
>> > the tuba either!).
>> >
>> > So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
>> > scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
>> > speakers built in.
>> >
>> > Richard Yates
>> >
>> >> Chuck Israels:
>> >> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's
>> > MIDI
>> >> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
>> > keyboards, so I am
>> >> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set
>> > up (though I
>> >> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time since I
>> > have had
>> >> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly
>> > solved the
>> >> problem.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may find
>> > it
>> >> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before
>> > saving a
>> >> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use.
>> > I use an M-
>> >> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of
>> > range every now
>> >> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
>> >>
>> >> Chuck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
>> >> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
>> >> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't
>> >> > have access to this fount of knowledge!
>> >> >
>> >> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
>> >> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
>> >> > are
>> >> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
>> >> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use
>> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Phil.
>> >> >
>> >> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>> >> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
>> >> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they
>> >> >> should match that price if you show them the site:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >
>>  >> 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Raymond Horton
>> >> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville
>> >> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> Hi,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
>> >> >>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out.
>> >> >>> It's a bit too long, and
>> >> >>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
>> >> >>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale.  I
>> >> >>> don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
>> >> >>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
>> >> >>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale refuses to
>> >> >>> recognise it, though.  Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi
>> >> >>> controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by
>> >> >>> Finale.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out
>> >> >>> midi connectors on it.  The keyboard only has a single midi port.
>> >> >>> If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
>> >> >>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
>> >> >>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong.
>> >> >>> It has happened once or twice before!  If I plug the other end in, I
>> >> >>> don't get either light flashing.  In both cases, it is playing the
>> >> >>> notes itself, but the program isn't interes

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Phil Buglass]

I was *trying* to play in real time...

At 04:31 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time.  I have
>had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is
>instantaneous.  I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb
>adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the
>computer or Finale to recognize.  Are you able to use the Casio with a
>non-usb input of some sort?  I thought midi input cards had gone out
>with Culture Club?
>
>Raymond Horton
>Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>Composer, Arranger
>VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates 
> wrote:
> > I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get
> > used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different
> > machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be
> > really annoying and throw off efficiency of 
> note entry. (I have never played
> > the tuba either!).
> >
> > So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
> > scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
> > speakers built in.
> >
> > Richard Yates
> >
> >> Chuck Israels:
> >> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's
> > MIDI
> >> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
> > keyboards, so I am
> >> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set
> > up (though I
> >> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time since I
> > have had
> >> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly
> > solved the
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may find
> > it
> >> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before
> > saving a
> >> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use.
> > I use an M-
> >> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of
> > range every now
> >> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
> >> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
> >> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't
> >> > have access to this fount of knowledge!
> >> >
> >> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
> >> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
> >> > are
> >> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
> >> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use
> > it.
> >> >
> >> > Phil.
> >> >
> >> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
> >> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
> >> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they
> >> >> should match that price if you show them the site:
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >  
>  >> 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Raymond Horton
> >> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville
> >> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass 
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
> >> >>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out.
> >> >>> It's a bit too long, and
> >> >>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
> >> >>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale.  I
> >> >>> don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
> >> >>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
> >> >>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale refuses to
> >> >>> recognise it, though.  Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi
> >> >>> controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by
> >> >>> Finale.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out
> >> >>> midi connectors on it.  The keyboard only has a single midi port.
> >> >>> If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
> >> >>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
> >> >>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong.
> >> >>> It has happened once or twice before!  If I plug the other end in, I
> >> >>> don't get either light flashing.  In both cases, it is playing the
> >> >>> notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I
> >> >>> don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to
> >> >>> work.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In the audio setup dialogue, I have in

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Raymond Horton]

Hmm - I don't have that latency problem with the Casio, using the midi
to USB cable.


Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Richard Yates  wrote:
> I use the Casio with a MIDI to USB cable. There is latency before I hear it
> through the computer so I turn that down and listen to the Casio directly
> while doing input. I also had some kind of Korg that was not amplified and
> could not tolerate the latency.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of
>> Raymond Horton
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:32 PM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
>>
>> It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time.  I have had a
> USB Akai
>> LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous.  I also have
> used an
>> old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping
> through
>> hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize.  Are you able to use the
> Casio with
>> a non-usb input of some sort?  I thought midi input cards had gone out
> with Culture
>> Club?
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT
>> rayhortonmusic.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates 
>> wrote:
>> > I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult
>> > to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple
>> > different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much
>> > latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry.
>> > (I have never played the tuba either!).
>> >
>> > So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
>> > scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
>> > speakers built in.
>> >
>> > Richard Yates
>> >
>> >> Chuck Israels:
>> >> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either
>> >> Finale's
>> > MIDI
>> >> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
>> > keyboards, so I am
>> >> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is
>> >> set
>> > up (though I
>> >> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time
>> >> since I
>> > have had
>> >> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has
>> >> quickly
>> > solved the
>> >> problem.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may
>> >> find
>> > it
>> >> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider
>> >> before
>> > saving a
>> >> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more
> use.
>> > I use an M-
>> >> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out
>> >> of
>> > range every now
>> >> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
>> >>
>> >> Chuck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass 
> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
>> >> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
>> >> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I
>> >> > didn't have access to this fount of knowledge!
>> >> >
>> >> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
>> >> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
>> >> > are
>> >> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
>> >> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to
>> >> > use
>> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Phil.
>> >> >
>> >> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>> >> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
>> >> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town
>> >> >> they should match that price if you show them the site:
>> >> &g

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Phil Buglass]

I really don't know if it *is* the software at 
fault.  Everyone seems to think that we all know 
how to set this stuff up.  The controller I had 
before came with no instructions at all.   The 
Finale manual seems to think the same.  It goes 
on about making sure that the midi in and midi 
out connections go to the right place.  This 
keyboard only has a single midi socket... Then it 
refers you to the keyboard manual...  The manual 
for this keyboard is a little pamphlet which 
doesn't even *mention* the word midi.   The midi 
port is not even labelled in the diagram!   About 
90% of it consists of a list of what 'voice' is 
assigned to what number on the display.

When I go into device setup->midi setup, the 
autodetect option has found my usb controller, so 
the program knows it is there.  So how do I tell 
it to accept the input?   I just followed through 
all the suggested steps, but it made no difference.

I guess because this keyboard only has the single 
port, it is impossible to be sure just whether it 
is trying to send the data or not.   I was just 
able to get the keyboard sounding (more or less) 
through my PC.  I say more or less, because I had 
to hit the keys really hard to get any 
effect.   This still wasn't detected in Finale...

Oh, and it plays through the speakers when the 
cat walks along the keyboard too!
Phil.

At 01:41 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>I don't believe that latency is a built in 
>problem with either Finale's MIDI communication 
>pipeline or with most conventional MIDI 
>controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think 
>there is something amiss in the way the software 
>is set up (though I don't pretend to know what 
>that might be).  It's been a long time since I 
>have had similar difficulties, but in the past, 
>a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem.
>
>Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for 
>your needs.  You may find it annoying to have to 
>switch octaves, so that's something to consider 
>before saving a little money on something that 
>may prove less than ideal after more use.  I use 
>an M-Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and 
>efficient, but even that runs out of range every 
>now and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
>
> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
> > it set up right, but there were no instructions
> > with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge!
> >
> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and
> > have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish
> > list.  They are all under $100, and  most are
> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use it.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and change
> >> at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they should
> >> match that price if you show them the site:
> >>
> >> 
> 
> >>
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
> >> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
> >> Composer, Arranger
> >> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil 
> Buglass  wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
> >>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but
> >>> never tried it out.  It's a bit too long, and
> >>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
> >>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for
> >>> inputting to Finale.  I don't play piano, but I
> >>> can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
> >>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
> >>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale
> >>> refuses to recognise it, though.  Windows
> >>> recognises it as a generic usb midi controller,
> >>> but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale.
> >>>
> >>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a
> >>> fork with in and out midi connectors on it.  The
> >>> keyboard only has a single midi port.  If I plug
> >>> one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
> >>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
> >>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but
> >>> I could be wrong.  It has happened once or twice
> >>> before!  If I plug the other end in, I don't get
> >>> either light flashing.  In both cases, it is
> >>> playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
> >>>
> >>> Like I said, I don't really care if this one
> >>> works or not, but I don't want to spend money on
> >>> a better one, if I can't get it to work.
> >>>
> >>> In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to
> >>> directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any
> >>> output from the program at all.  For mike source,
>

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Richard Yates]

I use the Casio with a MIDI to USB cable. There is latency before I hear it
through the computer so I turn that down and listen to the Casio directly
while doing input. I also had some kind of Korg that was not amplified and
could not tolerate the latency.

> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of
> Raymond Horton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:32 PM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
> 
> It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time.  I have had a
USB Akai
> LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous.  I also have
used an
> old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping
through
> hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize.  Are you able to use the
Casio with
> a non-usb input of some sort?  I thought midi input cards had gone out
with Culture
> Club?
> 
> Raymond Horton
> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT
> rayhortonmusic.com
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates 
> wrote:
> > I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult
> > to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple
> > different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much
> > latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry.
> > (I have never played the tuba either!).
> >
> > So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
> > scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
> > speakers built in.
> >
> > Richard Yates
> >
> >> Chuck Israels:
> >> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either
> >> Finale's
> > MIDI
> >> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
> > keyboards, so I am
> >> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is
> >> set
> > up (though I
> >> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time
> >> since I
> > have had
> >> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has
> >> quickly
> > solved the
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may
> >> find
> > it
> >> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider
> >> before
> > saving a
> >> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more
use.
> > I use an M-
> >> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out
> >> of
> > range every now
> >> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass 
wrote:
> >>
> >> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
> >> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
> >> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I
> >> > didn't have access to this fount of knowledge!
> >> >
> >> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
> >> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
> >> > are
> >> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
> >> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to
> >> > use
> > it.
> >> >
> >> > Phil.
> >> >
> >> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
> >> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
> >> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town
> >> >> they should match that price if you show them the site:
> >> >>
> >> >> <http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-l
> >> >> pk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Raymond Horton
> >> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music,
> >> >> Edwardsville
> >> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass
> >> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have one 

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Raymond Horton]

It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time.  I have
had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is
instantaneous.  I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb
adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the
computer or Finale to recognize.  Are you able to use the Casio with a
non-usb input of some sort?  I thought midi input cards had gone out
with Culture Club?

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates  wrote:
> I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get
> used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different
> machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be
> really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played
> the tuba either!).
>
> So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
> scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
> speakers built in.
>
> Richard Yates
>
>> Chuck Israels:
>> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's
> MIDI
>> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
> keyboards, so I am
>> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set
> up (though I
>> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time since I
> have had
>> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly
> solved the
>> problem.
>>
>> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may find
> it
>> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before
> saving a
>> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use.
> I use an M-
>> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of
> range every now
>> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
>>
>> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
>> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
>> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't
>> > have access to this fount of knowledge!
>> >
>> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
>> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
>> > are
>> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
>> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use
> it.
>> >
>> > Phil.
>> >
>> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
>> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they
>> >> should match that price if you show them the site:
>> >>
>> >> > >> 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Raymond Horton
>> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville
>> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass 
>> wrote:
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
>> >>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out.
>> >>> It's a bit too long, and
>> >>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
>> >>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale.  I
>> >>> don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
>> >>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
>> >>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale refuses to
>> >>> recognise it, though.  Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi
>> >>> controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by
>> >>> Finale.
>> >>>
>> >>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out
>> >>> midi connectors on it.  The keyboard only has a single midi port.
>> >>> If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
>> >>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
>> >>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong.
>> >>> It has happened once or twice before!  If I plug the other end in, I
>> >>> don't get either light flashing.  In both cases, it is playing the
>> >>> notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
>> >>>
>> >>> Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I
>> >>> don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to
>> >>> work.
>> >>>
>> >>> In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I
>> >>> use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all.  For mike
>> >>> source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only
>> >>> option.  When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself
>> >>> to blank.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there som

Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Richard Yates]

I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get
used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different
machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be
really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played
the tuba either!). 

So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.'
scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and
speakers built in. 

Richard Yates

> Chuck Israels:
> I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's
MIDI
> communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller
keyboards, so I am
> inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set
up (though I
> don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time since I
have had
> similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly
solved the
> problem.
> 
> Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may find
it
> annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before
saving a
> little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use.
I use an M-
> Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of
range every now
> and then.  Of course, space and portability may also be an issue.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
> 
> > I *think* that was what I tried before.  The
> > latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have
> > it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't
> > have access to this fount of knowledge!
> >
> > I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5
> > different ones in my wish list.  They are all under $100, and  most
> > are
> > around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to
> > get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use
it.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
> >> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and
> >> change at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they
> >> should match that price if you show them the site:
> >>
> >>  >> 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP>
> >>
> >>
> >> Raymond Horton
> >> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville
> >> (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass 
> wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
> >>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out.
> >>> It's a bit too long, and
> >>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
> >>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale.  I
> >>> don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
> >>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
> >>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale refuses to
> >>> recognise it, though.  Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi
> >>> controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by
> >>> Finale.
> >>>
> >>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out
> >>> midi connectors on it.  The keyboard only has a single midi port.
> >>> If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
> >>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
> >>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong.
> >>> It has happened once or twice before!  If I plug the other end in, I
> >>> don't get either light flashing.  In both cases, it is playing the
> >>> notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
> >>>
> >>> Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I
> >>> don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to
> >>> work.
> >>>
> >>> In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I
> >>> use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all.  For mike
> >>> source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only
> >>> option.  When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself
> >>> to blank.
> >>>
> >>> Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I
> >>> am missing?   The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject.
> >>> I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because
> >>> my cakewalk would not recognise it.  Oh, and it also had about 2
> >>> seconds of latency!
> >>>
> >>> Any advice welcome...
> >>>
> >>> Phil.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
> >>> Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
> >>> ___
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Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Chuck Israels]

I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI 
communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so 
I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set 
up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be).  It's been a long time 
since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support 
has quickly solved the problem.

Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs.  You may find it 
annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before 
saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more 
use.  I use an M-Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that 
runs out of range every now and then.  Of course, space and portability may 
also be an issue.

Chuck


On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:

> I *think* that was what I tried before.  The 
> latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have 
> it set up right, but there were no instructions 
> with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge!
> 
> I had a scan through amazon this morning, and 
> have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish 
> list.  They are all under $100, and  most are 
> around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to 
> get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use it.
> 
> Phil.
> 
> At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>> You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and change
>> at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they should
>> match that price if you show them the site:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Raymond Horton
>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>> Composer, Arranger
>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
>>> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but
>>> never tried it out.  It's a bit too long, and
>>> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
>>> thinking of getting a small keyboard for
>>> inputting to Finale.  I don't play piano, but I
>>> can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
>>> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
>>> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale
>>> refuses to recognise it, though.  Windows
>>> recognises it as a generic usb midi controller,
>>> but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale.
>>> 
>>> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a
>>> fork with in and out midi connectors on it.  The
>>> keyboard only has a single midi port.  If I plug
>>> one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
>>> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
>>> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but
>>> I could be wrong.  It has happened once or twice
>>> before!  If I plug the other end in, I don't get
>>> either light flashing.  In both cases, it is
>>> playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
>>> 
>>> Like I said, I don't really care if this one
>>> works or not, but I don't want to spend money on
>>> a better one, if I can't get it to work.
>>> 
>>> In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to
>>> directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any
>>> output from the program at all.  For mike source,
>>> I have it set to primary sound capture driver -
>>> the only option.  When I come back into it, this
>>> field has usually set itself to blank.
>>> 
>>> Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I
>>> am missing?   The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject.
>>> I tried a midi controller some years back, and
>>> returned it because my cakewalk would not
>>> recognise it.  Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency!
>>> 
>>> Any advice welcome...
>>> 
>>> Phil.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
>>> Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” ­ Groucho Marx
>>> ___
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>> 
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Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Phil Buglass]

I *think* that was what I tried before.  The 
latency made it unusable.   Maybe I didn't have 
it set up right, but there were no instructions 
with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge!

I had a scan through amazon this morning, and 
have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish 
list.  They are all under $100, and  most are 
around the $60-70 mark.   I just don't want to 
get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to  use it.

Phil.

At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote:
>You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and change
>at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they should
>match that price if you show them the site:
>
>
>
>
>Raymond Horton
>Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>Composer, Arranger
>VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>
>
>On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have one of those cheapo roll-up
> > keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but
> > never tried it out.  It's a bit too long, and
> > droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
> > thinking of getting a small keyboard for
> > inputting to Finale.  I don't play piano, but I
> > can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
> > spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
> > It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale
> > refuses to recognise it, though.  Windows
> > recognises it as a generic usb midi controller,
> > but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale.
> >
> > One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a
> > fork with in and out midi connectors on it.  The
> > keyboard only has a single midi port.  If I plug
> > one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
> > flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
> > it is talking about input into the keyboard, but
> > I could be wrong.  It has happened once or twice
> > before!  If I plug the other end in, I don't get
> > either light flashing.  In both cases, it is
> > playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
> >
> > Like I said, I don't really care if this one
> > works or not, but I don't want to spend money on
> > a better one, if I can't get it to work.
> >
> > In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to
> > directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any
> > output from the program at all.  For mike source,
> > I have it set to primary sound capture driver -
> > the only option.  When I come back into it, this
> > field has usually set itself to blank.
> >
> > Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I
> > am missing?   The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject.
> > I tried a midi controller some years back, and
> > returned it because my cakewalk would not
> > recognise it.  Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency!
> >
> > Any advice welcome...
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
> > “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
> > Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” ­ Groucho Marx
> > ___
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> > Finale@shsu.edu
> > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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>
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Re: [Finale] MIDI woes

[Raymond Horton]

You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25.  $43 and change
at Musicians Friend.  If you have a Guitar Center in town they should
match that price if you show them the site:




Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have one of those cheapo roll-up
> keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but
> never tried it out.  It's a bit too long, and
> droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been
> thinking of getting a small keyboard for
> inputting to Finale.  I don't play piano, but I
> can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before
> spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
> It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale
> refuses to recognise it, though.  Windows
> recognises it as a generic usb midi controller,
> but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale.
>
> One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a
> fork with in and out midi connectors on it.  The
> keyboard only has a single midi port.  If I plug
> one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad
> flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that
> it is talking about input into the keyboard, but
> I could be wrong.  It has happened once or twice
> before!  If I plug the other end in, I don't get
> either light flashing.  In both cases, it is
> playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested.
>
> Like I said, I don't really care if this one
> works or not, but I don't want to spend money on
> a better one, if I can't get it to work.
>
> In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to
> directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any
> output from the program at all.  For mike source,
> I have it set to primary sound capture driver -
> the only option.  When I come back into it, this
> field has usually set itself to blank.
>
> Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I
> am missing?   The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject.
> I tried a midi controller some years back, and
> returned it because my cakewalk would not
> recognise it.  Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency!
>
> Any advice welcome...
>
> Phil.
>
>
>
> “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend.
> Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” ­ Groucho Marx
> ___
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[Finale] MIDI woes

[Phil Buglass]

Hi,

I have one of those cheapo roll-up 
keyboards.  I've had it for quite a while, but 
never tried it out.  It's a bit too long, and 
droops off my desk, for one thing.   I have been 
thinking of getting a small keyboard for 
inputting to Finale.  I don't play piano, but I 
can play one line at a time.  Anyway, before 
spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one.
It works, or at least it plays by itself.  Finale 
refuses to recognise it, though.  Windows 
recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, 
but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale.

One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a 
fork with in and out midi connectors on it.  The 
keyboard only has a single midi port.  If I plug 
one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad 
flashes, but it flashes as input.   I assume that 
it is talking about input into the keyboard, but 
I could be wrong.  It has happened once or twice 
before!  If I plug the other end in, I don't get 
either light flashing.  In both cases, it is 
playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested.

Like I said, I don't really care if this one 
works or not, but I don't want to spend money on 
a better one, if I can't get it to work.

In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to 
directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any 
output from the program at all.  For mike source, 
I have it set to primary sound capture driver - 
the only option.  When I come back into it, this 
field has usually set itself to blank.

Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I 
am missing?   The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject.
I tried a midi controller some years back, and 
returned it because my cakewalk would not 
recognise it.  Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency!

Any advice welcome...

Phil.



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Inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.” ­ Groucho Marx
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