[Fink-users] Problems with svn-swig-pm588

[Gregory Seidman]

I've been banging my head against this for hours. It's making it impossible
to use git-svn. On my laptop running Snow Leopard, the following occurs:

% perl -e 'require SVN::Core;'
Bus error
% 

I have perl588 (5.8.8-9), swig (2.0.1-1), svn-swig-pm588 (1.6.15-1), and
svn-swig-pm588-shlibs (1.6.15-1). I tried using the Perl debugger (perl -d
-e 'require SVN::Core;'), but it just spins and chews up CPU. Does anyone
know how to fix this?

--Greg


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Re: [Fink-users] Simple sqlite GUI

[Gregory Seidman]

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:18:10PM +0100, Florian Lindner wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking a simple GUI for a sqlite database. I'll be using it for  
> debugging a application I'm writing that uses such a database. Anyone  
> knows such an app that is contained in fink?

If you're using Fink, you're using a Mac, and you might as well use a Mac
native GUI. I recommend http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/

> Thanks,
> Florian
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Re: [Fink-users] graphviz

[Gregory Seidman]

On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:17:09AM -0400, David Fang wrote:
> >> Yeah, I got distracted with other things.  Do you have a .info file to
> >> build the current graphviz, or were you just doing it by hand?
> >
> > I've got a working up-to-date graphviz in my experimental; thanks for
> > the reminder -- I mailed the maintainer and never heard back, so I was
> > going to go ahead and take it over.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I was fiddling around with a local .info for graphviz-2.14 as well. 
> According to the webpage, there are a few more dependencies than before 
> (1.16), so I added those, but some were missing or not yet updated in fink 
> (got pangocairo?).  Looking forward to your package submission, maybe we 
> can compare notes.  I'm willing to help test.
> 
> I also played around with the installed binaries and found that dot didn't 
> support -Tfig anymore.  :(  Any idea where it went?

You may have some luck with PostScript output and pstoedit.

> Fang
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[Fink-users] Packaging pidgin?

[Gregory Seidman]

I'm CC'ing Max Horn, package maintainer for gaim (and gaim-ssl), on this
message. It seems that pidgin (the renamed gaim) has released version 2.0.1
and I'd love to see it packaged for Fink. Max, are you still supporting
gaim/pidgin? If not, will someone else package it? If I had the time I'd
volunteer, but I'm pretty swamped these days.

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Re: [Fink-users] GraphViz

[Gregory Seidman]

On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 10:57:11AM -0500, Alexander K. Hansen wrote:
> Alexander Hansen wrote:
> >On 2/28/07, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:50:10PM -0500, Alexander Hansen wrote:
> >>>On 2/28/07, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>The version of GraphViz in Fink is pretty old (1.16 when the latest
> >>>>is 2.12). Would someone be willing to update it? I'd like to offer to
> >>>>help, but I'm really short on time these days. (Actually, I suspect
> >>>>that a lack of time on the part of the maintainer is why it has been
> >>>>languishing, but we wouldn't want to look bad in comparison to
> >>>>DarwinPorts, now would we?)
> >>>>
> >>>>--Greg
> >>>>
> >>>Have you contacted the maintainer?  We try not to tread on people's
> >>>toes, so we generally give maintainers about a week to respond to a
> >>>package update before we go ahead and commit.
> >>>
> >>>If the maintainer does in fact indicate no further interest in
> >>>maintaining the package, that's anoather matter.
> >>>  
> >>Fair enough. I will send Thomas Kotzian an email and report back if/when 
> >>he contacts me or in a week or so if he does not.
> >>
> >>>Alexander K. Hansen
> >>--Greg
> >
> >And on my end, I'm working up the update.
> >
> >  
> Update:
> 
> I've moved and I haven't had a chance to hook my Mac up yet.  Before I 
> left, I tried a build of the newer upstream graphviz using the existing 
> description as a template, but it didn't work.  Once I've got my machine 
> back online I'll be able to play around some more.

Well, I haven't heard from Thomas Kotzian, so whenever you get around to it
I think it's appropriate for you to go ahead with it.

> Alexander K. Hansen
--Greg


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Re: [Fink-users] GraphViz

[Gregory Seidman]

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:50:10PM -0500, Alexander Hansen wrote:
> On 2/28/07, Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The version of GraphViz in Fink is pretty old (1.16 when the latest is
> >2.12). Would someone be willing to update it? I'd like to offer to help,
> >but I'm really short on time these days. (Actually, I suspect that a lack
> >of time on the part of the maintainer is why it has been languishing, but
> >we wouldn't want to look bad in comparison to DarwinPorts, now would we?)
> >
> >--Greg
> 
> Have you contacted the maintainer?  We try not to tread on people's
> toes, so we generally give maintainers about a week to respond to a
> package update before we go ahead and commit.
> 
> If the maintainer does in fact indicate no further interest in
> maintaining the package, that's anoather matter.

Fair enough. I will send Thomas Kotzian an email and report back if/when he
contacts me or in a week or so if he does not.

> Alexander K. Hansen
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[Fink-users] GraphViz

[Gregory Seidman]

The version of GraphViz in Fink is pretty old (1.16 when the latest is
2.12). Would someone be willing to update it? I'd like to offer to help,
but I'm really short on time these days. (Actually, I suspect that a lack
of time on the part of the maintainer is why it has been languishing, but
we wouldn't want to look bad in comparison to DarwinPorts, now would we?)

--Greg


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Re: [Fink-users] Removing of .deb files of /sw tree

[Gregory Seidman]

On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 05:06:00PM +0200, Martial Bret wrote:
} Hello,
} 
} in order to gain space, I removed /sw/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb,  
} but I would like to check whether it's safe or not for fink  
} architecture and whether does exist a special fink command doing the  
} same work.
} More over, I would like to know whether it's possible to remove *.deb  
} files contained in the following directories (I'm under Mac OS X. 
} 4.5), and how to do that :
} - /sw/fink/10.3/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/base/*.deb
} - /sw/fink/10.4-transitional/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/base/ 
} *.deb
} - /sw/fink/debs/*.deb

I haven't tried it, but if Fink is Debian-ish enough then apt-get clean
should get rid of cached .deb files.

} Thanks in advance for your answers.
} Martial Bret.
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Re: [Fink-users] global dependency graph

[Gregory Seidman]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 12:06:43PM -0700, Matthew Peltzer wrote:
} Does there exist a tool for generating a global dependency graph for
} fink's packages?  If not, is there any documentation (other than at
} fink.sourceforge.net/doc/) on the format of the .info files,
} specifically the 'Depends' and 'BuildDepends' fields?  Are there any
} other fields I should pay attention to?
} 
} My goal is to remove any unecessary packages that may have been
} installed as a dependency, but were not removed when the requiring
} package was removed.  My idea is that I can build a graph of the
} dependency tree described in the .info files, then use 'fink list' to
} mark the status (available, unstalled, update available) of all
} packages, and present the information to the user.

You might try debfoster. Also, look into apt-cache dotty (i.e. read the
apt-get man page and look at the dotty option). Note that these are Debian
tools that work because Fink is based on the Debian packaging system.

} -- Matthew Peltzer
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Re: [Fink-users] Minimal Fink information for back-up

[Gregory Seidman]

On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 09:46:19AM -0600, Carol Kankelborg wrote:
} Since my Fink installation takes up so much space and is fairly
} re-creatable it doesn't make much sense to back it up when I back-up
} my other data.  However, I don't want to have to remember what
} packages I had installed to recreate my Fink installation.  Is there
} some minimal set of files (like a list of what Fink has installed) I
} can back-up that will allow me to recreate what I have in the event of
} a crash?  

Since Fink is based on Debian, I believe that you can do that same thing
that I would do under Debian: dpkg --get-selections \* will produce a
list of all of the packages you have ever had installed and their status
(install, remove, purge). You can save this list, then redirect it into
dpkg --set-selections to put it back. That will tell dpkg what should be
installed, but you will need to run apt-get dselect-upgrade to make it
happen. You should probably run fink update-all for good measure after
that. I am not 100% certain that this will automatically rebuild
everything it should, but I am pretty certain that the list you back up
will be complete if you wind up needing to install package by hand.

} Is it safe to assume all the packages keep any user setup data in the
} User's home directory?  If not, where might they keep that data?

Yes, it's safe to assume that.

} Thanks, Carol --
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Re: [Fink-users] personal time tracker ?

[Gregory Seidman]

On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 12:27:22PM -0400, Lloyd Budd wrote:
} Hi ,
} 
} I am a bit suprised that GnoTime  has not 
} been 'fink'ed .
} 
} Is there a similar gratis tool that anyone can recommend?

I use karm, which is a KDE app.

} Cheers,
} Lloyd
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Re: [Fink-users] xfree86 with quartz-wm

[Gregory Seidman]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 01:23:50PM -0400, Koen van der Drift wrote:
} I installed xfree86 (4.4) through fink, and copied quartz-wm from 
} Apple's X11 into /usr/X11R86/bin/.  My .xinitrc fle is very simple:
} 
} source /sw/bin/init.sh
} 
} exec quartz-wm
} xterm
} 
} When I start the XDarwin app, no window appears, and there is no File 
} menu, from which I can select New Window (Cmd-N). With Apple's X11, 
} this worked flawlessly.
} 
} Am I missing something critical in my .xinitrc file?

Yes, you are. If you want an xterm, it really needs to be run *before*
you exec something. You see, exec replaces the currently running process
with what the process you are starting. This means that the xterm line
never gets executed. You'll also want to background the xterm (i.e.
xterm &) so that the .xinitrc doesn't wait for it to finish before
running the window manager.

The reason you don't get the File menu is that it is part of Apple's
X11.app, and has nothing to do with the window manager. Since you are
not running Apple's X11.app, no file menu.

Note that even with the mistakes you have made, you can still run X
apps. If you open a Terminal window and set the DISPLAY environment
variable to :0 you should be able to run xterm or whatever else
(assuming you have already started the X server).

} thanks,
} - Koen
--Greg
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[Fink-users] samba under 10.1

[Gregory Seidman]

I am still running 10.1, so I used Fink to install samba. I'd like to set
it up to share home directories with the normal users' passwords, and
nothing else. Is there a simple way of doing so?

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Re: [Fink-users] Qt/Mac and Fink

[Gregory Seidman]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 09:20:19AM -0400, Benjamin Reed wrote:
} Gregory Seidman wrote:
[...]
} >This depends, of course, on the dylib(s) in the Qt/Mac framework being
} >drop-in replacements for the X11-based shared libraries; I don't know
} >whether that is the case.
} 
} I can guarantee they won't be binary-compatible.  One will be linked 
} against the X11 libraries and one won't.  You won't be able to just take 
} your X11-compiled Qt applications and run them with Qt/Mac.

The Qt shared library for X11 links against the X11 libraries, but a Qt app
doesn't link against them directly, does it? The app would link against the
Qt libraries, which would link against either the Carbon framework or the
X11 libraries, depending on which version it is.

} Qt is source-compatible, but is not binary-compatible.  And because of 
} the way their build system works, even if the library looked the same 
} the "platform" would be different and Qt would refuse to load plugins 
} because of ABI issues.
[...]

Er, are you sure of that? The libraries would be compiled with the same
compiler on the same host platform. The public classes have the same
methods and would be laid out the same way by the compiler. The difference
I'm worried about is the difference between a dylib and a .so, and I'm not
sure there is one.

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[Fink-users] Qt/Mac and Fink

[Gregory Seidman]

Given that Qt/Mac will be released under GPL (see
http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/0129.html), I'd like to
make a suggestion on how to handle it. Please comment/critique.

Because Fink is all about Unix software, rather than Mac software, we don't
want to just add the Mac native version of Qt to the repository. Much as we
support Apple's X11, however, we want to make it possible to use the native
version.

First, it should be easy to switch between using the X11 Qt and the Mac
native Qt. This means that there should be a qt3-shlibs-links-X11 and a
qt3-shlibs-links-native which conflict with each other and provide links to
the appropriate libraries. It is therefore necessary to put the X11 shared
libraries in some other package (which qt3-shlibs-links-X11 would depend
on) and directory (/sw/libs/qt3, perhaps?). Naturally, there should be a
system-qt3-shlibs placeholder package for the native version (which checks
to make sure it is properly installed but does not actually do the install,
just like system-xfree86). One can, therefore, have both system-qt3-shlibs
and qt3-shlibs-X11 installed; whether a Qt/KDE app opens in X11 or as an
OSX app depends upon which of qt3-shlibs-links-X11 or
qt3-shlibs-links-native is installed.

This depends, of course, on the dylib(s) in the Qt/Mac framework being
drop-in replacements for the X11-based shared libraries; I don't know
whether that is the case.

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Re: [Fink-users] need make 3.80

[Gregory Seidman]

Max Horn sez:
} At 9:34 Uhr -0500 20.01.2003, Gregory Seidman wrote:
} >I have a build system that depends on some of the features in GNU make
} >3.80, but MacOS X 10.1.5 (which I am still running) and Fink (even
} >unstable) still have only 3.79.1. I'd like to make a .deb from the latest
} >make source so that I can manage it with Fink, but I don't know how to go
} >about it. Any thoughts?
} 
} You could contact the package maintainer (i.e. me) and ask for an 
} update. I have so far not updated to make 3.8 because there was no 
} apparent need for it, and it would require me to careful port over 
} all the mods made to our make 3.79.1. These mods are the same as the 
} Apple make has, and are required for various reasons.

It takes all kinds of mods? Really? I downloaded the source and did a
compile and install, and it seems to be working fine from straight GNU
source. (I installed it over make 3.79.1, expecting that the same file
names would be overwritten and, therefore, an apt-get remove make would
get rid of it.)

} Since with you there is now a reason to update to 3.80, I will 
} consider doing it. Out of curiosity, can you tell me which feature 
} you need in 3.80 that is not in 3.79.1 ?

The primary feature is the MAKEFILE_LIST variable. It lets me have a
nice hierarchical build system with a single instance of make, all
without being dependent on particular directory names.

} Cheers,
} Max
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[Fink-users] need make 3.80

[Gregory Seidman]

I have a build system that depends on some of the features in GNU make
3.80, but MacOS X 10.1.5 (which I am still running) and Fink (even
unstable) still have only 3.79.1. I'd like to make a .deb from the latest
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Re: [Fink-users] Mutt and URL's in e-mail: how to launch an aqua browser?

[Gregory Seidman]

Adrian Simmons sez:
} I've been playing with various e-mail clients recently in particular 
} looking at how the deal with mailing list mail, and am wondering about 
} installing Mutt via fink.
} 
} The only thing that is troubling me is how to have a url in an e-mail 
} open up in an aqua based web browser, say Mozilla for OSX. Is that 
} possible? And what do you do to make it work? (aside from cut and paste!)

Mutt depends upon urlview to find URLs in a mail message and launch
them. Urlview uses a .urlview file to decide what pattern should match
an URL and what command should be run to launch it. My .urlview file
looks like this on a (non-MacOS) unix system:

EXPERT
REGEXP ht|f)tp)|https|file|mailto):(//)?[^ >"]*|www.[-a-z0-9.]+)[^ .,;>">]
COMMAND remotens '%s'

I wrote a script named remotens specifically for the purpose (and I
don't remember what EXPERT does), but you will probably find that you
want:

COMMAND open '%s'

...which will cause whatever your default browser is to open the URL.
You may want to wrap it in a script to do something more clever. In the
meantime, man open.

} Adrian
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Re: [Fink-users] Letter to Apple

[Gregory Seidman]

Charles C. Kankelborg sez:
} I wrote the letter not to incite a specific response from Apple, but to 
} raise their awareness of the impact of open source generally, and fink 
} specifically, in their user base. All gut, no proposals. Is it worth 
} the effort? Hey, it's my stamp.

I suspect that your letter as written will, at best, raise the awareness
of one non-tecnical person who is responsible for opening undirected
mail. You can hope for a boilerplate letter thanking you for your
feedback, with no further direct or indirect results.

} Sure, one could ask Apple for some more specific support. I would feel 
} a little silly doing that without some proposal from the Fink community 
} on the table. If there were one well-defined idea to rally behind, then 
} that could inspire some more effective lobbying of Apple. In that 
} spirit, I wonder if there is any concensus in this forum as to what, if 
} any, support we wish Apple would lend to Fink?

Well, what does Fink really need that Apple can provide? I think the
absolute best thing would be if Fink package management and Apple's
installer would converge, thus guaranteeing working package removal and
such. I don't think Apple would be willing to do such a thing, though,
since it would break all existing .pkg files.

} Best regards,
} Charles
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Re: [Fink-users] Closest Thing to OS X and Fink on Intel?

[Gregory Seidman]

Marc Trudeau sez:
[...]
} Can you recommend a Unix distribution for Intel *86, windowing (Finder
} replacement) environment (optional), and package manager combination to
} which my OS X/Fink learning will most directly apply, and by which our need
} for MySQL/PERL/DBI/DBD-mysql will be most readily met?

Fink is a port of the Debian package management system. If you want that
kind of package management on Intel, install the Debian GNU/Linux
distribution. ISO CD-ROM images, which can be burned onto CD easily, are
available for Debian 3.0r0. After installing, you will want to apt-get
update and apt-get upgrade. Note that everything is done with apt-get
and dpkg; the fink command is, unsurprisingly, a Fink-specific
invention.

Incidentally, I am considering moving to Debian for PPC on my Mac. I
haven't tried it yet, but it looks like I'll be able to have my cake and
eat it too. A program, Mac-on-Linux (www.maconlinux.org), makes it
possible to boot MacOS (9.x or 10.x) in a virtual console, an X11
window, or both. It looks like I can have all the benefits of Debian
package management, the huge library of packaged software, and still
have MacOS X there when I need it. I could even run a rootless X server
under MacOS X, but run most of my apps under Linux and connect to that
server.

I understand that Fink doesn't have the manpower that Debian does, nor
the control over the host OS, but at this point I consider my use of
Fink a failed experiment. It just doesn't measure up to Debian, and now
that I know I can have Debian without giving up MacOS X, I no longer
need it to provide a complete environment. I'm not going to uninstall,
mind you, just cut way back on the installed packages (I've spent the
last week trying to get xfree86 4.2.0.1 to install on my 10.1.5 box...
enough is enough).

} Is anyone on the list in this situation of developing on OS X, but running
} an Intel box for production, and willing to trade insights?

Actually, yes. I have been running Apache/Tomcat/PostgreSQL on three
different machines: my Mac at home, a dev box at work, and a production
box hosted at a hosting site (which is actually running a different JSP
container). In general, try not to duplicate the development environment
on the production machine but, rather, the production environment on the
development machine(s). This means get your software up and running on
the x86 box, then configure your Macs as nearly the same as possible.

} Thanks sincerely,
} Marc
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[Fink-users] deb-src and apt-get

[Gregory Seidman]

I am impressed by just how much stuff is available directly through
Fink. I am even more impressed, however, by everything available from
Debian proper. Naturally, x86 Debian packages aren't going to work on my
Mac.

I was wondering, however, if anyone knew how well it would work to add a
deb-src line to /sw/etc/apt/source.list that pointed to a Debian source
distribution. Would apt-get build-dep work? How about apt-get --build
source? Would the .deb packages it produces install into /sw, or would
it install wherever it would on Debian? Can we leverage the existing
Debian distribution like that?

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Re: [Fink-users] Xterm with Scrollbar in XFree

[Gregory Seidman]

Ian L. sez:
} On 9/5/02 7:36 PM, Scott Atchley enlightened us with:
} 
} >> Anyone know of a more mac like xterm with a scroll bar that works in
} >> XFree86. The XDarwin's rootless window server xterm doesn't have a
} >> scroll bar. I tried OroboOSX 0.8 and although its xterm has a scroll
} >> bar it doesn't drag scroll AFAIK and I prefer the scroll bar to be on
} >> the RHS of the window.
} > 
} > You can get a scrollbar with xterm using -sb. You can set the lines of
} > scroll back with -sl n where n is the number of lines. you can move the
} > scroll bar to the right with -rightbar. You can speed it up
} > dramatically with -j (jump).
} 
} I really like Eterm. It seems to be much faster in scrolling compared to
} xterm and rxvt, plus it's got a nice-looking proportional
} mouse-wheel-supported scrollbar on the right.
} 
} Let me know if you'd like my ~/.Eterm/user.cfg -- it removes the silly
} background images, sets the ANSI colors right, and adds a little bit of
} transparency.

Frankly, I'm pretty disgusted by all the xterm clones out there. At least
rxvt was trying to be a small memory footprint version, but then we got
Eterm and gnome-terminal and Kterm and all the other crap. There are only
two features that (some of) these new-fangled terminals have that xterm
does not: 1) transparency, and 2) multiple windows from the same process.

Transparency is utter crap to begin with. It's vaguely convenient some of
the time with Apple's Terminal, but that's because it's actually live and
displays whatever is beneath it. The best any of these crappy xterm clones
can manage (because of the limitations of X11) is reading the root window's
contents and using it to produce their own pixmap background. Furthermore,
if your background is interesting then it is hard to read the text in the
terminal, and if it isn't interesting then why bother?

The multiple windows within the same process amortizes the memory footprint
of each window, but it doesn't matter. Most machines these days have plenty
of memory, and the xterm instruction memory is shared between instances
anyway.

While the code itself is rather kludgy, xterm (specifically the XFree86
xterm) is one of the most useful, best executed pieces of software I have
ever had the pleasure of using. Want a scrollbar? Set it in an X resource.
Want it on the right instead of the left? Same solution. Want the scrollbar
and menus to look 3D? Put a symlink to libXaw3d.so named libXaw.so earlier
in your library search path, and it will be. Want an absolute minimum of
decoration? No problem. Want to bind keys or buttons to do things (like the
scrollwheel operating on the scrollbar)? Easily done. Want to change fonts?
On the fly? You can do it from a popup menu (granted, it doesn't have a
font chooser... because there are other programs to do that job, like
xfontsel).

} Ian L.
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Re: [Fink-users] ODBCConfig

[Gregory Seidman]

Justin Hallett sez:
} sorry it took so long been working on lots of things at once here...try it
} now and let me know I just put a need version in unstable cvs.

Works great. Thanks. By the way, what part depends on gnome? I thought
ODBCConfig was a Qt app.

} [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
} >Has anyone succeeded in getting ODBCConfig (part of the unixODBC package)
} >working? It keeps telling me that it failed to execute
} >SQLManageDataSources() and that it's probably because it couldn't load the
} >GUI plugin library. It is loading the library, though; when I run it with
} >DYLD_PRINT_LIBRARIES set it tells me that it's finding and loading it. Is
} >there anyone out there with any tips?
} >
} >--Greg
}   Justin F. Hallett - Systems Analyst   
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Re: [Fink-users] Fink-users: OroborOSX

[Gregory Seidman]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] sez:
} Are there any plans to incorporate OroborOSX  
} (http://oroborosx.sourceforge.net/) into fink?  Current installation is 
} trivial but I like the automated update feature.  Also, does anyone know 
} how to do an automated OS X software update via the command-line?  I am 
} dreaming of a single shellscript to do all of my updates...

There was a software security update in early July that added
/usr/sbin/softwareupdate. See its man page for usage.

} Thanks.
} Bill Scott
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[Fink-users] hold flag is ignored?

[Gregory Seidman]

It's possible I don't understand what hold means in dselect. Since
orbit-0.5.15-2 consistently fails to compile, I set orbit (0.5.12-1) to
hold in dselect. Now I expect that when I do fink update-all it will update
everything except orbit, since it is flagged hold. This is not the case. It
still tries to update it.

Note that I have added unstable/main to my Trees in the fink.conf and that
I have fink set to self-update using cvs. One way or another, however, I
wish to stay with orbit-0.5.12-1 while updating everything else. I can't
seem to do it with dselect. I can't seem to do it with fink update-all. I
can't seem to do it with dpkg or apt-get. I'm going to try doing it one
package at a time with FinkCommander, but I don't like that as a general
solution.

Any thoughts?

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Re: [Fink-users] [OT] little white square with XDarwin?

[Gregory Seidman]

Charlie Allom sez:
} OTish.. Does anyone else have little white square in the bottom right
} of their screen when they have XDarwin at the forefront? Or is this an
} OroborOSX thing.

I've had this happen to me occasionally, mostly when doing strange things
with changing screen resolution. It is the X root window.

I'd actually like to be able to reproduce it more dependably. I would
really like to have a patch of root window handy. In fact, I'd rather have
the root window be the background of all other apps so that clicking on
non-window space would take me to XDarwin, not the Finder, and my window
manager would be able to catch click events on the root window.

} I can't click on it.

You can click on it, but you don't have anything that responds to it. If
you were running a window manager configure to respond to clicks on the
root window (twm and its default configuration, for example), you would be
presented with a menu or something similar.

}   C.
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Re: [Fink-users] starting and stopping daemons

[Gregory Seidman]

James Whitwell sez:
} Hi,
} 
} What's the "standard" way of starting and stopping daemons i.e. under 
} debian all the scripts in /etc/init.d/ take a parameter that says 
} "start", "stop", "reload", etc.  I can see that daemonic installs a 
} couple of things into /Library/StartupItems, which are run by 
} SystemStarter (I'm guessing).  But what about 
} stopping/reloading/starting daemons at times other than bootup?  I can 
} just kill -HUP but it would be cleaner if there was a script, especially 
} for things that restart in different ways e.g. postfix.

See the following (in rough order of their usefulness):

http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/documentation/howto/html/SystemStarter_HOWTO.html

http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~kevinvv/SystemStarter.pdf

http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/BootingLogin/The_Boot_Sequence.html

http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/BootingLogin/Customization_Techniques.html

} Cheers,
} ;) james.
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Re: [Fink-users] sudo

[Gregory Seidman]

Arthur Petit sez:
} hi again...
} 
} when i type sudo and then my root passwd it says  that it's a bad 
} passwd...
} 
} i wanted to use sudo to can use fink comander...
} 
} i remember that i had found on the net how to do to don't asking root 
} passwd at sudo prompt

By default, sudo expects the user's password. One can, however, put the
line

Defaultsrootpw

in the sudoers file (run visudo as root) so that it expects the root
password.

There are those who consider this undesirable because it means anyone who
will be using sudo must know the root password and, therefore, could just
as easily become root and do whatever they want. On the other hand, given
the exceedingly few people with accounts on my machine (my gf and me) and
the fewer accounts from which administration is ever done (mine), I would
much prefer that sudo requires as much authentication as root itself.

Incidentally, I have the following set in my sudoers file:

myaccount ALL= ALL, NOPASSWD: /sw/bin/fink, /sw/bin/apt-get, /sw/bin/dselect

This allows me to run fink admin commands from sudo without a password. I
don't recommend it for everyone (it isn't great security), but it's damned
convenient.

} thanks again...
--Greg


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Re: [Fink-users] copy of mac (including type/creator) files

[Gregory Seidman]

Juan Falgueras sez:
}   Sorry about this absolutely out of topic question, I am really in 
} a mesh with it, I don't find any doc about and only have tested 'cp', 
} 'ditto' and 'pax' but any of them can't do the simply copy of Mac 
} (classic) atributes (nor, of course, the resources).
} 
}   What's the magic Darwin command to do copies of classic mac files? 
} (I suppose there must be one!)

I'm assuming you actually have MacOS X rather than pure Darwin, since
otherwise you wouldn't be dealing with classic Mac files. I also assume
you've installed the developer tools. The tool you are looking for is
CpMac, in /Developer/Tools.

}  juan
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Re: [Fink-users] init/rc scripts in OS X/Darwin

[Gregory Seidman]

paul beard sez:
} I just wrote up my experience with starting services at boot time 
} on Darwin and OS X systems: if anyone has any amendments or  
} corrections, please let me know.
} 
} http://paulbeard.no-ip.org/movabletype/archives/000128.html#000128
} 
} I think I like this way of handling services; there seems to be 
} one per flavor of *NIX, so there are lots of choices. The scripts 
} only seem to start services, not stop, restart or any other 
} options. There are pidfiles, in /var/run and /sw/var, so I guess 
} you could hook those in: wonder why that isn't already in there?

A very few of the scripts do support stop as an argument. My understanding
is that all of them are called with the "start" argument at startup. I will
point out that both /System/Library/StartupItems and /Library/StartupItems
will be used -- it's basically a merge of the two directories. I don't know
what happens if you have duplicate entries, and I don't feel like rebooting
enough times to find out.

Documentation can be found... er... somewhere. I seem to have a PDF that
describes the SystemStarter program, but I don't know where I got it from.
Ah, a quick google search turns up:

http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~kevinvv/SystemStarter.pdf

} Paul Beard / 8040 27th Ave NE / Seattle WA 98115 /
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Re: [Fink-users] Broken Sudoers

[Gregory Seidman]

J. Talarski sez:
} I'm not sure what I did ('cept ignore a few warnings).  I recently upgraded
} to OSX 10.1.5 and have seen this message pop-up anytime I use the SUDO
} command.  
} 
} localhost:~] talarski% sudo apt-get update
} sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0775, should be 0440
} [localhost:~] talarski% can not write to queue directory
} /var/spool/clientmqueue/ (RunAsGid=25, required=80): Permission denied
} 
} I'm sure I did some damage using a program called BatCHmod which let you
} change user privileges and force empty your trash.

Yup, you can really screw things up with BatCHmod if you're not careful.

} Now, being somewhat of a newbie I'm not sure, but I think I'll need to
} complete two tasks to fix this issue.  Log in as root (of course I've never
} setup the root password and doing so now without SUDO is proving
} challenging) and set the correct parameters for /etc/sudoers and
} /var/spool/clientmqueue.  Can anyone point in the way of instructions (or
} provide guidance) on completing these tasks?

\begin{rant}
I have never been a fan of sudo. Granted, there are occasions when someone
should be allowed to do only certain superuser things on a multi-user
system, but when the number of users on the system is under ten and only
one or two people ever have to do superuser things (as is generally the
case with home-installed Unix boxen), it's just a pain. It does have its
appeal when you set things up not to require a password, e.g. fink and
apt-get and dselect.
\end{rant}

Anyway, to give root a password, do the following (this is for MacOS X...
if you are using pure Darwin you will have to emulate this with nidump and
niutil):

 1. open /Applications/Utilities/NetInfo\ Manager.app
 2. authenticate yourself by clicking on the lock
 3. select /users/
 4. copy the value for passwd
 5. select /users/root
 6. paste over the value for passwd
 7. select /groups/wheel (it will ask you if you really want to save or
whatnot. you do)
 8. are you in the users array? If not, add yourself (New Value, under the
Directory menu)
 9. quit NetInfo Manager (it will ask you if you really want to save or
whatnot. you do)
10. in Terminal.app, su -
11. when it asks for the password, give yours (if it says you aren't in
wheel, quit Terminal.app and start it again... you DID follow steps
7-9, right?)
12. passwd root
13. give root a new password. It is a bad idea to have the same password
for any two accounts, *especially* root.
14. chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
15. exit
16. move about the cabin normally

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Re: [Fink-users] Moving /sw/ off to an external HDD

[Gregory Seidman]

Yoav Felberbaum sez:
} Basically the topic says it all. In the FAQ, it says it SHOULD in 
} theory work 
} 
} Can anyone comment on if they've had any problems with this method?

Actually, I have /sw as a symlink to /usr/local. Not quite the same, but
similar. It has never given me problems.

} Any other ways I could do it? Mess about with mountpoints by editing fstab?

I have also had /Users as a symlink to /u (legacy from another system I was
used to), which is a partition listed in /etc/fstab and mounted
automatically at startup. To do the move (do all of this as root):

1. mv /sw /private
2. mkdir /sw
3. mount the other drive on /sw
4. cd /private/sw
5. pax -rw -p e . /sw

I don't believe there are any resource forks in /sw. If there are, you will
need to use hfspax (google for it). If you need help putting the right line
in /etc/fstab, let me know. Incidentally, I recommend that all partitions
(other than HFS+ for the root partition, but only under MacOS X rather than
pure Darwin) be UFS-formatted. I have four partitions, three of which
(including and especially my Users partition) are UFS.

} TIA!
} -- 
} Yoav Felberbaum
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[Fink-users] ODBCConfig

[Gregory Seidman]

Has anyone succeeded in getting ODBCConfig (part of the unixODBC package)
working? It keeps telling me that it failed to execute
SQLManageDataSources() and that it's probably because it couldn't load the
GUI plugin library. It is loading the library, though; when I run it with
DYLD_PRINT_LIBRARIES set it tells me that it's finding and loading it. Is
there anyone out there with any tips?

--Greg


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