Freya
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lori, I am quite sure Freya got her wonderful personality, her excellent mothering skills, and her calm and willing work ethic, not to mention her good looks from her mother Cindy, which as I recall you own! Correct? I actually put more weight on the dams than on the sires. I feel that all though technically a foal receives half of its genes from each parent, the foal is raised by the dam and therefore her personality, her milking ability, her reactiveness, are all more influential over the foals development, so kudos to Cindy because Freya is in many ways the quintessential Fjord. Did I mention that she is beautiful?! Hi Pamela, I am not just a neophyte on the computer, I am approaching Neaderthal! I have a friend who will scan some photos for me so I will try to send them to your personal address since I understand that you are not supposed to send pictures onto the list. If I can't get that to work I would be happy to send you a picture of her because we have used her on all of our farm advertising. Anyone who made a donation to the fund that was set up for me last year by Richard and Sue Giargiari of Felicty Fjords received a drawing of a mare and foal that was done by Liza Tivey. The mare was Freya, with her Solar filly, Molly. Vivian Creigh owns two of her daughters, Nykka and Oksana, by Konggard. Ursula Jenson owns a full sister named Ryetta( excuse me Ursula, I've forgotten how to spell her name!). I think Nykka's photo was in the Herald once or twice. Anyway I would be happy to send you something if I can figure out how. Please be patient. I would be interested to know if there are other Brusvein offspring in the US. I suspect Carol Rivoire might know some. Does anyone know of any and where they might be? Lynda, your contributions about the Norse traditions is terrific. The names are beautiful and to have you put so much effort into sharing what you find is very appreciated. Thanks,C.
Re: Cutting manes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Information Architecture) Concerning the cutting of manes, the Mongolians cut the manes of their horses once they have been ridden. This singles them out in the herd from the unbroken horses. I believe they are not the only people to do this, and the cutting the mane in Fjords might come from such a tradition. The examples of Norse horse depictions and Germanic literature also tell us a lot, I think we ought to be careful about reading too much into that. After all, we're talking about a long time ago and not necessarily about the same horses. The concept of a breed is a 19th century one; before that there were basically types in certain regions. What is a Fjord now is almost certainly different than what was a Fjord then -- we can see changes even in the last 40 years, so how would they be the same for the last 4,000? (I know this is heresy to some people.) In any event, there are a number of other old depictions of horses with short manes -- in Egypt, Greece, China and other places. Those places don't clip their horses manes now, but those horses are probably not Fjords or even Fjord predecessors. Just a couple thoughts I thought I'd throw in. Becky Vorpagel Jont Creek Acres Monmouth, OR
Re: roaching manes
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, it takes one to know one Jean! Hahah Jean Gayle Aberdeen -Original Message- From: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 3:34 PM Subject: Re: roaching manes This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most sacred of all horses were colored white, grey, or grey dappled. These horses were NEVER ridden, but kept in sacred oak groves and treated like royalty. It was said their very behavior could foresee the future. Well, this explains why my white dun mare Stella and her all white granddaughter Anvil's Adel consider themselves to be royalty and have that attitude! I'll have to analyze what their behavior means for the future Jean in Frigid Fairbanks, Alaska where we are getting a little dittsy from all this cold weather.(warmed up to -40F at noon) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why cutting Fjord's manes ?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It just looks good and the public loves it in the parades. Why need another reason? Check Lar's pictures in section 2 of the Fjordhorse Page in Frames. Merek Geiger
Bearbells
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Loved the 'joke' about the bear dung. Could always use a little humor. We have a resident black bear here that terrorizes me and the horses. I sometimes take in raptors for Fish and Game and so asked them to look into our little bear problem. They said, Misha, just go on up there in the trees tonight with a flashlight and yell at him--he'll run off. I said, Are we talking about the same animal because the one I mean has big nasty teeth and claws and weighs about 300 pounds. Lots of scat but no flashlights in it. Misha
Fw: Horses
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: jobie barfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 9:18 PM Subject: Horses Just found your note in ebay about the 29 horses that had been starved. I have and raise horses. If you need to place any of them, I may be able to help. Please call me toll free at 888-619-4510 days (work) and 888-402-6277 nights (home). Good luck with your project. I have saved many animals myself. Jobie Barfield. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Bot lifestyle?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail. It is my understanding that the horse ingests the egg when he licks orgrooms himself. Maybe that is wrong or they ingest when the egg falls to the grass. Whatever, in all this mud they will drown if the latter is the case. -Original Message- From: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Bot lifestyle? This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] While we are discussing bots, :) - can anyone clear up a bot lifestyle question I have? My QH came to me in the fall with legs *yellow* with bots. He is a fusspot about having them all taken off, though I've got most of them off - except for a few on long hairs under his chest, flank etc - where the bot comb doesn't work great and he can only tolerate so much fussing at one time. The local wisdom is that you worm for bots after the first killing frost. We wormed with ivermectrin at that time - and have the horses on Strongid C now. So the question is - are those remaining eggs still viable such that I should try to get them off? Our area has very few bots, so I am motivated to try to remove all reservoirs of infestation - in addition to the health motivation for this horse. My vet did not know if these eggs are likely to hatch when it gets warm again. TIA Gail Jean Gayle wrote: Have you wormed for bots? Chewing is often a sign of worms migrating. For chronic wood chewers I put a block of wood in that I choose for them. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Brusvein and Hi, Bill
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/4/99 5:45:14 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Freya has been my most consistent producing mare, she has had two foals by Solar, and five foals by Konggard and she is in foal now. All the while she has been used every summer for camp, driving lessons , and trailriding. Did I mention that she is beautiful!? I would have responded to this post, but I've since been busy collecting information on Hostar from Laura of Mink Hollow g. Do you have any pictures scanned of Freya? You DID say you were a computer neophyte, so you may not. But I'd love to see what she looks like!. Pamela
Re: roaching manes
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you Lynda,for sharing all this research with us, it is very interesting! I am saving it on a floppy. I wonder is the white or flaxen manes with the center stripe displayed had a special meaning. Jean in bright, sunny but cold Fairbanks, Alaska -40F At 07:13 PM 2/4/99 EST, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all again! OK, more info on manes coming up!! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wood chewing here too
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry I am 47 emails behind, how did this happen. When I said wormed for bots I meant any wormer that kills bots. Ivermectin always is my choice. I rarely have wood chewing except around Oct,Nov and after worming it stops. Jean gayle Aberdeen Wa where we have SUNSHINE -Original Message- From: Rogillio's [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Fjord Digest' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 5:50 PM Subject: Wood chewing here too This message is from: Rogillio's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Gayle wrote: Have you wormed for bots? Chewing is often a sign of worms migrating. For chronic wood chewers I put a block of wood in that I choose for them. We had an ice storm before Christmas that damaged a lot of the trees, many limbs fell. It's not been dry (rains EVERY week-end) enough to burn them. I noticed that both horses, but predominantly Tyr were stripping the bark off these fallen branches. It appears that they're working on tree trunks now. If indeed they are chewing because of worms migrating, may I ask what you meant when you said 'wormed for bots'. Are you referring to a specific wormer? A double dose? Wormed again in a short period of time, like a week? They are due to be wormed again, but the chewing started mid-cycle. I'd fence them off from the trees and branches, but we have literally hundreds of trees on our property, no way to put them out of bounds and still have a hope of grass growing. Thanks, Casey
Off Topic But Cute... For The Alaskans In The Group
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/4/99 11:10:58 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A note to Mary Thurman - those folks racing in Fairbanks may be crazy, but what about those of us who choose to live in the great Northwet? The mud has been a great help in showing our house... Someone on my other horse email list (30 odd women, and I mean odd!!!) sent this today. I thought of those of you braving it out in Alaska. It's kinda cute. In light of increasing frequency of human-grizzly bear conflicts, the Alaska Department of Fish and Game is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra precautions and keep alert of bears while in the field. We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears that aren't expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear dung. Black bear dung is smalller and contains lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung is larger and has litle bells in it and smells like pepper.
Re: THE NORTH AMERICAN GJEST CHALLENGE -
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] That wind sounds terrifying and I was complaining about 60mph. I would be so worried about my horses, dogs etc. With a wind like that you could not even open the door, could you? Let alone walk in it. Hope things go well for you now. Jean Gayle Aberdeen Wa. -Original Message- From: Poirier, Jeanne L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:03 PM Subject: FW: THE NORTH AMERICAN GJEST CHALLENGE - This message is from: Poirier, Jeanne L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, I'm getting the biggest kick out of this email conversation you've got going regarding the Gjest Challenge. What a great topic of conversation. Last night the winds were clocked here at 107mph and we sustained a lot of damage. I can't wait for Spring. Hope all is well with you. Jeanne -Berthoud, CO - where the wind was AWFUL last night :-(
Re: roaching manes
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] The most sacred of all horses were colored white, grey, or grey dappled. These horses were NEVER ridden, but kept in sacred oak groves and treated like royalty. It was said their very behavior could foresee the future. Well, this explains why my white dun mare Stella and her all white granddaughter Anvil's Adel consider themselves to be royalty and have that attitude! I'll have to analyze what their behavior means for the future Jean in Frigid Fairbanks, Alaska where we are getting a little dittsy from all this cold weather.(warmed up to -40F at noon) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: roaching manes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynda, Thanks for the GREAT information. I look forward to learning more. --- William M. Coli Extension Educator/ Statewide IPM Coordinator Dept. of Entomology Agricultural Engineering Bldg. UMass Amherst MA 01003 Phone: 413-545-1051 Fax: 413-545-5858 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Always drink upstream from the herd. From: A Cowboy's Guide to Life, by T.B. Bender
Re: roaching manes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all! As my degree is in the Germanic Literature area, with an emphasis on Norse, I thought I would relay some horse info I have acquired throughout my studies. To set the facts straight, Vikings were only a very small window within the Nordic world. The Vikings actually came into being as a direct result of the Catholic invasion. Regardless, the Viking period is only about 250 years, whereas the Norse is over 4000 years. As bones from these horses have been found in grave sites 2000 years ago, this is about 700 years before the Viking Age, so my point is, these horses have been around much longer than The Vikings. To the Norse people in general, the horses were an extremely sacred creature. While these animals were certainly ridden and used for agricultural purposes, the extent of their use during battle was purely transportation and divine blessing. Some Norse actually had longboats designed specifically to carry their horses to different locations! This thought of war horses has probably arisen from the legends of the Valkyriesdivine goddesses who rode horses through the air and over water to all battles, to guide the souls to the afterlife. Interestingly enough, in the Poetic Eddas (spiritual writings of the Norse) horses have various names pertaining to many different concepts. Such as waves, clouds, rain, etc. The sacred belief of the Norse as pertaining to horses derives from the fact of horses being the preferred and beloved mount of many of the deities. There are numerous legends to protray this, but I will not bore all of you with that. The most sacred of all horses were colored white, grey, or grey dappled. These horses were NEVER ridden, but kept in sacred oak groves and treated like royalty. It was said their very behavior could foresee the future. Some sagas also discuss the use of a horse head on a pike to scare other pillagers away. The horses were considered a direct link to the divine...and through this particular sort of sacrifice, the horses would guard the villages from all attempted harm. This was done very rarely, for obvious reasons. While I have not as of yet discovered the meaning for the cropping of the manes, I do have some ideas pertaining to the reason. I will attempt to go through some older texts I have and see what I may find. I do know the Norse were very practical, so it could have simply been a matter of effective grooming control. However, the Norse were also deeply spiritual, especially in regards to the horse. The dorsal stripe itself may play a huge factor in this riddle. If I find anything in my research, I will pass it along. Anyway, hope this helps! Lynda, temporarily from Texas, waiting VERY impatiently for the move to MI.
Re: Humourous and witty comments
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:09 AM 2/4/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, Naturally, I loved your post. I'd like to know where you found it [unless you made it up] as I'd like to use it in my book. [Midlife Madness - Setting up Horsekeeping] I might be able to get permission to use it [credited, of course] from the horses who said it or from the human who sent it in. Thanks for the chuckle! Well it was forwarded on to me from someone on the rec.equestrian mailing list. It didn't have and by line on it so I am afraid I don't know whos it is. Glad you liked it. I assume you're all recovered - congratulations. Yes I haven't heard (or felt) it since Christmas day. A quick update on our herd - Right now we're entertaining dueling offers on our house, so we ought to be moving soon to Ellensburg, smack dab in the middle of WA state. Hot, cold, windy, lots of riding room and horse folks. The property we're negotiating on has a brand new house [with air conditioning] and barn, and some fencing. On the fencing, it was mostly the thought that counted, I guess, as our equines would get a good laugh out of it. Some work to be done there. Well good luch on the move. Mike
Humourous and witty comments
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mike, Naturally, I loved your post. I'd like to know where you found it [unless you made it up] as I'd like to use it in my book. [Midlife Madness - Setting up Horsekeeping] I might be able to get permission to use it [credited, of course] from the horses who said it or from the human who sent it in. Thanks for the chuckle! I assume you're all recovered - congratulations. A quick update on our herd - Right now we're entertaining dueling offers on our house, so we ought to be moving soon to Ellensburg, smack dab in the middle of WA state. Hot, cold, windy, lots of riding room and horse folks. The property we're negotiating on has a brand new house [with air conditioning] and barn, and some fencing. On the fencing, it was mostly the thought that counted, I guess, as our equines would get a good laugh out of it. Some work to be done there. New pole barn is sided with cedar, and features a 3/4 bath and a nice big lounge-office-tack room. The 4 stalls have turnouts and Dutch doors inside and out. The catch is that the inner doors open into the stalls, so will have to be re-hinged. The owner/builder has a champion cutting horse from Haidas lines, but hasn't built stalls before. The real draw, though, is the arena from heaven which we will be able to use. Not covered, but huge! Round pen coming up next. Will keep everyone posted, as our email address and home address with change. A note to Mary Thurman - those folks racing in Fairbanks may be crazy, but what about those of us who choose to live in the great Northwet? The mud has been a great help in showing our house... Cheers, Peg Knutsen, from Knutsen Fjord Farms, where we have been feeling the May baby move, especially after mom has a nice long drink of water.
roaching manes
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though Viking days, I am sure it deals with battle and keeping the hair short to not get into trouble in battle. (The enemy grabbing the mane and swinging onto you and your horse.) Maybe one of our Nordic historians can clarify this for us. I recall reading somewhere that Fjords were not war horses. The vikings rode them to the vicinity of where they'd have to fight, then dismounted, left the horses safely off to the side (grazing, no doubt!), and fought on foot. Fjords were used for transportation to the battle, and (probably) for packing loot home. I'm not sure why the custom of cutting the mane began. However, having seen the mess that my mare's mane turned into the one time it started to grow out, I'm glad they did start the fashion! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: Re: Fjord in Ad
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, I saw the ad and thought it was great!!! Linda in MN where we are in the deep freeze again today - horses are napping in the sun which thankfully is getting pretty warm
Message From Mink Hollow
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After hearing that Hostar is a Brusvein son, I contacted Laura at Mink Hollow to request video info, etc. She told me she's no longer on this list as she is very busy with new arrivals. She asked me to mention to you all that she has her A Premium fillies in. So, here's the mention. Sometimes I wish I were on the east coast to see all the lovely fjords in the New York area. Pamela Who appreciates all the fine fjords on the west coast too!
mares for sale
This message is from: Joel a harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gang, This is a post about mares for sale so if you're not interested here's where you hit the scroll button! I have decided to get a new line of mares. I have for sale an NFHR foundation mare her 5 yr old daughter. Vind, 12yr, has King Harald Rudaren bloodlines. Brass Ring's Eina, 5yr, has the above + she is from a grandson of Grabb. They work together match up well - better when Eina matures. Both have extensive farm experience including mowing raking hay. Vind is currently logging with my stallion, Trygve. Eina is still a little shaky on the logging part but does fine farming, riding driving. The only reason Eina is shaky on logging is because she has only been used twice for logging. Eina is my 11 yr old daughter's 4-H horse but Amanda is OK with selling her because she has 2 yr gelding, Geir, a 1/2 brother to Eina, that is starting nicely. Eina is open, last time I had Vind checked she was in foal to Trygve for a May 99 foal. Vind has had 4 fillies from Trygve, 5 foals all together. She foals without assistance in the pasture or corral, your choice, is a good mom with plenty of milk. I will entertain trades. If either of these interest you please contact me privately. I now return you control of your computer. Thank you for your time. Happy Trails Joel Harman Brass Ring Ranch Mosier OR Where the weather is, oh, who cares? ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
metro parks...
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent a year there myself. Have a lot of family there. Lived on 120th and Lorraine, above a little jewelry shop. Went to West Tech High School, many MANY moons ago. Wonderful people in Cleveland. Always wanted to ride through Metropolitan Park. Pamela Hi Pamelawe are lucky to have a great park system here. Ohio's Emerald Trails are well maintained by the rangers and also the trail riding group I belong to...the Cuyahoga chapter of Ohio Horseman's Council, Inc. The group gets together regularily to form work parties, ride, partake in instruction and demonstrations, do paradesetc. Whole lotta fun. Here is there address for anyone interested in surfing: http://www.users.hockinghills.net/~ohc/ Nice to hear from a former Clevelander...I went to Lakewood High School myself...graduated in the year um...uhsomebody pass me my Ginko Biloba please! Tee-hee. Ingrid :o)
Re: metro parks...
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ingrid, I will certainly have to come visit you and your Fjords next time I go home. I grew up in North Olmsted, and was horse crazy then. Never heard of Fjords back then! I visited David Schneider's fjords back about 5 years ago when I was there, guess he has sold them all now. Saw their collection of carriages. Too bad it is so hard to get back there, esp. with my horses, I'd love to ride the bridle trails in the Valley. (Metropolitan parks) Maybe I'll make it to the Equine Affaire in Columbus...and see the Fjords and the fjord booth. Jean in Frozen Fairbanks, Alaska were it was -55F at the airport, -47F at my place and I got up at 4:30 to feed more hay I At 10:50 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] I spent a year there myself. Have a lot of family there. Lived on 120th and Lorraine, above a little jewelry shop. Went to West Tech High School, many MANY moons ago. Wonderful people in Cleveland. Always wanted to ride through Metropolitan Park. Pamela Hi Pamelawe are lucky to have a great park system here. Ohio's Emerald Trails are well maintained by the rangers and also the trail riding group I belong to...the Cuyahoga chapter of Ohio Horseman's Council, Inc. The group gets together regularily to form work parties, ride, partake in instruction and demonstrations, do paradesetc. Whole lotta fun. Here is there address for anyone interested in surfing: http://www.users.hockinghills.net/~ohc/ Nice to hear from a former Clevelander...I went to Lakewood High School myself...graduated in the year um...uhsomebody pass me my Ginko Biloba please! Tee-hee. Ingrid :o) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: metro parks...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/4/99 7:47:03 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ohio's Emerald Trails are well maintained by the rangers and also the trail riding group I belong to...the Cuyahoga chapter of Ohio Horseman's Council, Inc. The group gets together regularily to form work parties, ride, partake in instruction and demonstrations, do paradesetc. Whole lotta fun. Here is there address for anyone interested in surfing: http://www.users.hockinghills.net/~ohc/ So you take your fjord on these work parties? I can imagine that winter in the greater Cleveland area is just what these horses would love. I remember my winter in Cleveland. 1972. It was c-o-l-d. My feet were ice cubes as I walked to school, or to a friend's house. BTW I LOVED Lakewood. It was a nice, sleepy little town when I was there. Pamela
Re: Bot lifestyle?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] While we are discussing bots, :) - can anyone clear up a bot lifestyle question I have? My QH came to me in the fall with legs *yellow* with bots. He is a fusspot about having them all taken off, though I've got most of them off - except for a few on long hairs under his chest, flank etc - where the bot comb doesn't work great and he can only tolerate so much fussing at one time. The local wisdom is that you worm for bots after the first killing frost. We wormed with ivermectrin at that time - and have the horses on Strongid C now. So the question is - are those remaining eggs still viable such that I should try to get them off? Our area has very few bots, so I am motivated to try to remove all reservoirs of infestation - in addition to the health motivation for this horse. My vet did not know if these eggs are likely to hatch when it gets warm again. TIA Gail Jean Gayle wrote: Have you wormed for bots? Chewing is often a sign of worms migrating. For chronic wood chewers I put a block of wood in that I choose for them. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brusvein and Hi, Bill
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Bill , its a virtual miracle that I am on the computer at all. I am having a blast and I love checking my e-mail. How are you managing with all the ice? How many mares do you have in foal this year? How is Ring doing, how old is he now? You would have enjoyed a day in December when a few Fjord friends and I pulled logs out of my woods for firewwod for my neighbor. We had one single, my mare Eivy, a team on a forecart, and a team of oxen with a sled. It was a long haul up a hill, but it was a beautiful, mild day . We had a pot luck later. We will probably do it again one of these days, do you think you might like to join us with your horses? RE: Brusvein, you have very good taste! He was the champion stallion in Norway before he was imported to Holland. He is currently a Sterhengst, Keurhengst, and Preferentehengst in the Dutch studbook. I have two of his daughters. Freya has been my most consistent producing mare, she has had two foals by Solar, and five foals by Konggard and she is in foal now. All the while she has been used every summer for camp, driving lessons , and trailriding. Did I mention that she is beautiful!? She and her half sister Elda, went to Equine Affaire and Lindsay Sweeney rode Elda and drove Freya in a tandem for our breed demo. Elda was ridden at Equine Affaire in a clinic with Robin Brueckman and we were doing lovely shoulder ins in front of a large crowd. It was great fun and Elda was already showing her considerable girth from being in foal , besides the considerable girth that is just her normal way of being. Hostar, is a very cool dude and the Wichs have had lots of beautiful babies out of him. I suspect that there are other Brusvein offspring in the US, I don't know where they are though. Cheers from the dreary, icy Northeast. C
Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
This message is from: saskia schoofs [EMAIL PROTECTED] following my dictionary, a mile is 1.609 KM Saskia -- From: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge Date: don, 4 feb 1999 14:41 This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check that - I am sure that the mile is even greater than 1.2 KM. -Original Message- From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 1999 14:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:15 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mile is a greater distance than a kilometer. 1 Mile equals roughly 2 Kilometers. If the pacer trots the mile in 1.41, then he/she trots approximately 2 KM at that speed as well - the Standardbred needs about 1.48. At least that is how I understood it :o) Well that is a close approximation. There are actually 1.2 km per mile. When they are measuring in hundredths of a minute I think the .2 is pretty important. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And translated to seconds and/or minutes the STRBRD trotter trots 1.48=108 seconds for the mile or theoretically 1.04 for the K. These are record numbers and it takes a horse time to reach speed so he could probably not do the first K as fast as 1.04, however I just wanted to point out that the STRBRD time is more than a full minute faster than the time Gjest trotted the K. As STRBRD are bigger and trained to race I am comparing apples to oranges or Fjords to Trotters or whatever. Trotters start the race at a trot not a standing start what about the Fjords in Norway ?As this would make a big difference. Again I just wanted to add prespective to the discussion. I know what our watch said at Waldingfield (however the path on the marathon may have had a downward slope and was clocked after a full trot start both of which would have a positive effect on our time I can't remember the terrain almost 2 years later as I had other things on my mind at the time)and since I in no way believe Marnix is the fastest trotter in NA I stand by my belief that Gjest's record can be beaten. This is the last I will add on this subject. If enough people take Carol and Arthur up on their challenge the numbers will speak for themselves. I look forward to news on the first race. Vivian
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #340
This message is from: Catherine Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you ever tried harnessing a fjord with a long mane? Think it must be that and the time it would take to brush such thick hair out. Though Viking days, I am sure it deals with battle and keeping the hair short to not get into trouble in battle. (The enemy grabbing the mane and swinging onto you and your horse.) My 50 cents worth of ideas. Catherine L.
Re: Why cutting Fjord's manes ?
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Frank Wijgers wrote: I'm just curius, why the manes of a Norwegian Fjord ar always cut till about 10 cm. It looks good, but it is not natural. For me this means the length MUST have a function in wild life nature - most obvious to keep them warm and as a defense to flees in the summer time. Actually truly WILD horses (not feral) have short manes. The herd-members trim each others manes. It's probably done to make it easier for the horses to spot an enemy in the open landscape that are their natural home. The only wild breed left are the Przewalskii horse aka the Mongolian wild horse. This breed was extinct in the wild for some decades, but several horses were kept in zoo:s and bred there. Some years ago a herd was brought back to Mongolia and let free. I don't know what has happend to them. Another breed that is belived to be a wild species was the Tarpan, that lived in Russia and Poland and was extinct in the 19th century. I think that these horses had trimmed manes too. So actually, a short mane is very 'natural'. But I heard that the Vikings already did this, so there must be a very good reason for not leaving them at their natural lenght, except for just looking nice. Pictures from the Viking Period show horses with long as well as short manes. I belive that horse's hair has long been used for different purposes, like making strings for bows, matresses, halters/bridles etc. Somebody has suggested that riders who used the bow from horse back cut the manes to prevent it from being a problem when they handled the bow. This sounds reasonable to me and would explain why the horses of ancient horsemen like the Schytians according to pictures often had short manes. So, why do we cut the manes today? I guess it's tradition. Every breed have their own 'hair style'. Can you imagine an arab with cut mane? Or a warmblood with long mane like an andalusian? Or an andalusian with mane like a fjord? Here in Sweden many horses are now grazing in what used to be field used for agricultural purposes and these fields tend to be full with burdocks. Many times when I've brought my horses in for the night and found them COVERED with burdocks, I've thanked my lucky star for their hair style. Tail and forelock is completly enough when it comes to burdock-picking.:o) Regards from Anneli in Uppsala, Sweden
RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mile is a greater distance than a kilometer. 1 Mile equals roughly 2 Kilometers. If the pacer trots the mile in 1.41, then he/she trots approximately 2 KM at that speed as well - the Standardbred needs about 1.48. At least that is how I understood it :o) Kristine in Frankfurt -Original Message- From: Mike May [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 1999 13:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:34 PM 2/3/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just thought you might be interested: The record for the MILE by a STBRD pacer is 1.41 and for a STBRD trotter is 1.48. So keeping Apples - Apples or km to km's then my calculator shows that the 1.41 for the MILE is really .846 for the km. And 1.48 = .888 for the km.
RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:15 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mile is a greater distance than a kilometer. 1 Mile equals roughly 2 Kilometers. If the pacer trots the mile in 1.41, then he/she trots approximately 2 KM at that speed as well - the Standardbred needs about 1.48. At least that is how I understood it :o) Well that is a close approximation. There are actually 1.2 km per mile. When they are measuring in hundredths of a minute I think the .2 is pretty important. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check that - I am sure that the mile is even greater than 1.2 KM. -Original Message- From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 1999 14:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:15 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: Werner, Kristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mile is a greater distance than a kilometer. 1 Mile equals roughly 2 Kilometers. If the pacer trots the mile in 1.41, then he/she trots approximately 2 KM at that speed as well - the Standardbred needs about 1.48. At least that is how I understood it :o) Well that is a close approximation. There are actually 1.2 km per mile. When they are measuring in hundredths of a minute I think the .2 is pretty important. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fjord in Ad
This message is from: Paula Steinmetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did anyone see the ad for britches - center, back page of the most recent State Line Tack (Brockport, NY) sale flyer? Yes - a fjord! Nice placement - whose fjord?? Paula with NorthCreek Bjoge and Oslo Gull in frigid Wisconsin
Re: Re: Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:34 PM 2/3/99 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just thought you might be interested: The record for the MILE by a STBRD pacer is 1.41 and for a STBRD trotter is 1.48. So keeping Apples - Apples or km to km's then my calculator shows that the 1.41 for the MILE is really .846 for the km. And 1.48 = .888 for the km.
