Founder, overweight and other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All: I am counting myself lucky indeed (knock on wood). I have no pasture, don't add supplements and just feed the local stuff--alfalfa and forage plus plenty of fresh water and carrots. In the spring I let them chew down some weeds for 20 minutes at a time. My Fjords don't founder, are muscled and are not overweight. The Arabian gets the same stuff. No problems with her either. If creatures cannot survive on love and a certain amount of benign neglect, they don't last long at my house. I spend too many hours at work to have time to fuss over every little thing. The science of horse-keeping has passed me by, I admit. I have seen some squatty Fjords (short, knobby-kneed with grass bellies) and their owners swore they could never feed alfalfa or their horses would be obese. Well, then what the heck are they feeding? I sometimes think we can love, over analyze, and oversupplement our equines too much. JMHO. Pamela Garofalo Who still has a fine young gelding for sale.
Re: Poisonous Plants other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Merek, And being a mammal and warm-blooded, why would rodents have any special immunity from rabies? Why does foot and mouth affect cloven hooved animals but not horses?Viruses need specific conditions to thrive and I guess rodents just don't have what it takes for rabies. I thought the same as you, maybe a rat wouldn't survive the bite of a rabid fox or skunk. However, my wife the virologists tells me that there is more to it than that. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Re: Poisonous Plants other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/29/01 12:04:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. Rabies: Squirrels are rodents, rodents don't get rabies. I do vaccinate our horses for rabies, and I have been promoting it more recently with my clients (although I must confess I didn't push it much in the past). I tell them it is cheap insurance. We just don't see much rabies in this area, though. And being a mammal and warm-blooded, why would rodents have any special immunity from rabies? I have never heard anything about this before. The only thing I could imagine is that they would not survive the attack that infected them long enough to develop the disease. I will check with the local health authorities on this, as well as my vet. Merek
Poisonous Plants other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in the middle of foaling/breeding season and have gotten a little behind in the e-mail, so I apologize if I have missed anything directed toward me. I just wanted to respond to a few things: 1. Joanna, I'm very sorry to hear about Luna. That's every horse owners nightmare and I hope you never have to experience it again. 2. Rabies: Squirrels are rodents, rodents don't get rabies. I do vaccinate our horses for rabies, and I have been promoting it more recently with my clients (although I must confess I didn't push it much in the past). I tell them it is cheap insurance. We just don't see much rabies in this area, though. 3. Swollen throat latch: This is actually the lymph nodes that are enlarged in this area. Various things can cause it. My gelding has always had some enlargement there. Nothing to worry about. 4. Mare's cycle: I have been noticing a lot of mares recently that have been staying in heat for about 10 days. Typical for this time of year. They should be cycling a little more regularly soon though. 5. Don't ever ride in the trailer with a horse. There is absolutely nothing that you can do for them back there, and you will only make the situation worse if they have to call an ambulance for you when you arrive at the vet hospital. I had a client do this a few years ago and really got banged up doing it. And that was just hauling a weanling. I can't imagine what would have happened if it was a full size horse. Steve Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
Libby Evaluation 2001 (and other stuff)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will the person in charge of giving out information for the Libby 2001 Evaluation, please contact me. What are the opinions of those more experienced than I on: Taking a 10 year old broodmare to the evaluation for conformation only, ( She rides okay, gets down right panicky about driving, do to abuse from unknown owners in her youth she is kinda unpredictable on her performances). The only reason I would consider taking her is that even with her past abuse, she has the greatest personality and her foals, so far, have turned out to be excellent horses. She will never be well known for her abilities, i thought this a better way to market her foals? What do you think? Also I will have two weanlings (5mths old) by then and wonder the advantage to taking a horse that young? Thanks for your input. I have really learned alot on the list over the last few months, good and bad! Oh you might want to add Mandy Noonan, (15) our daughter, to the age list, she is the main horse person here and deserves most of the credit for the wonderful Libby showing we had!! She actually did odd jobs all summer to help pay for the entry fees!! What a Gal Her mom Michele Noonan
OOPS! and other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was gonna send that Directly to Denise Just a note, I just want to say as a fairly new person to the Fjord breed (2 years) I truly enjoy most all the posts on this list. All the Ideas from Everyone should be put out their for thought and comment sometimes. I do have to admit, When certain people post, I do make sure I catch the list for a few days because I know their will be lots of comments. I commend those people for having the courage to S T R E T C Hour minds. And If you are anything like me, you do a lot of Giggling when you read some of these posts. And the information I have gained from you more experienced people is most valuable. Michele Noonan STevensville, MT
West Nile article and other stuff
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a very good article in the January The HORSE, and probably accessible on the Horse Interactive, their Website. http://www.thehorse.com Another interesting article related to the recent sudden deaths, is the article in this month's EQUUS about what killed Phar Lap, the racehorse..who suddenly died in his stall..they thought it was poison, but now think it was Anterior Enteritis, same as maybe a couple on the list. The article is in the roundup section, P 54 in the January Equus. And Jean, the symptoms for West Nile are neurological, like EPM with a fever, hind end weakness and incoordination. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where is is warming up again, +15-20F today! Still need more snow. Dogsled races will be a problem! The crow is definitely not the only one. We have had several Blue Jays confirmed with it around here. I think there have been others too but can't remember what kind right now. From what I have read about it though is that it isn't really spread by the birds but rather by the mosquitoes that bit the birds and then something else, like a horse. Birds are carriers though. Mike Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ticks, WNV, and other stuff
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean. no earthworms how in the dickens do you fish without earthworms??? Half the fun was trying to find where the earthworms were hiding!! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Ticks, WNV, and other stuff
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, there are some benefits to living up here in Alaska I guess: No ticks that infect horses, dogs or people (Ticks on Snowshoe hares and squrrels, and hares get Tularemia), no Dog fleas (fleas on Lynx and squirrels, don't infect dogs), no bots, no face flies , other flies not much problem. LOTS of mosquitoes, the main pest, and gnats: no see-ums and white sox. We have Yellow jackets and some large horse flies. So far, no WNV or EPM Also,as far as gardening goes, no cabbage worms or bean beetles, or potato bugs, or tomato worms. (Just moose who eat the cabbage and brocoli, etc.) Also, no earthworms! Of course with 6 months of snow, insect pests are not much of a problem for half of the year! LOL I sure wish they would come up with a tick repellent like they have for the dogs now. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska +10F degrees and 7:27 hours daylight, losing 7 minutes a day! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, I can promise you a busy and lucrative practice with, as I said, relief shifts from your fellow Vets. That is probably more enticing than scenery or any other fringe benefit. I just started my own practice about two years ago after working with someone for six years. While I don't regret going solo, it is frustrating having to be on call 24hrs/day, seven days a week. It's a little competitive around here, so it can be hard to find someone to take calls for me. Steve
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/4/00 9:55:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is more gorgeous than Alaska in its wilderness? Not a thing! Which is why we lost Hallie Sanders from Washington up to the crisp, cool, Northwest Passage! Pamela
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pam and how about the cruise to Alaska? They have started up the old railroad into the hinterlands, Jean Ernest? What is more gorgeous than Alaska in its wilderness? We better not over do it our Steve will move up there Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now Jean, did Any of us mention the negatives in our recruitment efforts? it rains a lot doesn't it. Well as for rain we are actually having a drought, sp?. Last year was the beginning of our warming trend with less storms and rain. The Rain Forest,named aptly after it's rain fall, gets a lot though and is mysteriously draped in long shreds of moss dripping quietly onto the thickly carpeted ground. Sound is muffled by the decay of silent years. The grunt of the bear and the longing of the bull elk break the silence. Etc, etc, etc. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/3/00 10:29:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are two local airports, one with a great restaurant and cinnamon rolls. We are a port town, two villages offer charter ocean fishing and whale watching. The famous (half hours drive) Ocean Shores offers convention centers, fishing, surfing, all kinds of activities are scheduled and great seafood. The rugged coast line is a trip to remember with Indian villages and excellent restaurants. Oh Jean, you are making me fall in love all over again with the Northwest, and I already live here! A couple things you didn't mention: Pike's Marketplace. Great open air stuff, but sheltered from rain. Right across the street is a wonderful French Patisserie with true French apple tarts! Wildlife sanctuaries abounding. The Puget Sound. So close to Victoria Island, and you can take a ferry over a long weekend ( or a week) up the Inside Passage to see beauty that is unimaginable, and found nowhere else in the world. Pamela
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Gosh, I think I'd better consider moving down there myself! But it rains a lot, doesn't it? And I wouldn't have all these Alaskan Tales to tell you during the long dark winter! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Still light at 10:00 PM but getting dark at night now for a couple hours. Here we are still offering beautiful acreage for $5-7000 an acre. Old homesteads sell for $125,000 and lots of contractors available for remodeling. We have a great theater group with top class ability and plays. Farmers market, oyster farms, salmon bakes, Indian reservations and Shaker churches, whale watching, a lovely replica of an old sailing boat that tours the coast. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, Well now that other offer sounds like a movie setting! I really can not quote the number of lakes, many. The gorgeous mountains including our beloved Mt. Rainier are in view with their snow caps gleaming. Aberdeen Wa. is within 2 hours on the interstate of Seattle, one if not the prettiest city and waterfront in the US. (Too crowded now for me.) One hour to Tacoma and her museums. 45 minutes to Olympia the capital with great restaurants, lots of seafood, (fresh), theaters, symphony and lots of hospitals and physicians. Two hours to Portland Oregon with all of its lovely old homes and hotels. Here we are still offering beautiful acreage for $5-7000 an acre. Old homesteads sell for $125,000 and lots of contractors available for remodeling. We have a great theater group with top class ability and plays. Farmers market, oyster farms, salmon bakes, Indian reservations and Shaker churches, whale watching, a lovely replica of an old sailing boat that tours the coast. There is a large population of horses, county fair is next week with great horse facilities. Small villages offer great family life and activities. Easy access to community Boards and government activity. Everyone has a say. There are two local airports, one with a great restaurant and cinnamon rolls. We are a port town, two villages offer charter ocean fishing and whale watching. The famous (half hours drive) Ocean Shores offers convention centers, fishing, surfing, all kinds of activities are scheduled and great seafood. The rugged coast line is a trip to remember with Indian villages and excellent restaurants. I no longer cook so can not offer you that respite. However, I can promise you a busy and lucrative practice with, as I said, relief shifts from your fellow Vets. To top it all off I offer you a ride on the friendly one Gunnar. Lets see who can top that!! Plus, you can use my private riding arena whenever you wish. Or try the trails on my friends 350 acre tree farm with private lake. What more can you want Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon, Argh! Stop it. You're killing me. Steve White in hot humid Corncobville, Nebraska
Re: other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, now I'M tempted too! Amy On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:10:04 -0700 Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then we could intice you with 10 acres ( minimum lot size)or more, of prime real estate overlooking the inland sea with a trout stream running through it. Wildlife abounds here with moose, wolves, coyotes, bears, marten and fisher(not Dean and Eddy), eagles, ospreys, warblers. Quiet and solitude are yours, also. For an occasional culture fix you can take Amy to the theater or a concert in Thunder Bay, Ontario ( for that international feel ) or Duluth. The nearby town of Grand Marais is small and artsy and can accomodate your basic needs. It's considered Hot up here when the temps hit 80 degrees. The big lake keeps us warm in the winter and cool in the summer. There were more mosquitos at Blue Earth than there is up here. We don't have bot flies, nor many ticks.and as an added bonus Mary knows most of the fishing hot spots, and she said she'll cook your suppers for a year! (I said that???) Well, how's that?
Re: other stuff
This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:42 PM 8/3/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, WOW, That sounds like quite a deal! Mary, can you up the bid? This could get interesting. Steve WOW! This could get interesting!! Steve, Here's our next offer: There are over 2500 lakes in this county of 4500 people where over 90% of the land is public (Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, Superior National Forest). Do you know how long it would take to fish all those lakes? You would have to fish a different lake every 1.46 days for ten years to fish all of them. Of course, many of them take several days to get to. Then there's Lake Superior and its rivers and streams and nearby, Isle Royal. Then we could intice you with 10 acres ( minimum lot size)or more, of prime real estate overlooking the inland sea with a trout stream running through it. Wildlife abounds here with moose, wolves, coyotes, bears, marten and fisher(not Dean and Eddy), eagles, ospreys, warblers. Quiet and solitude are yours, also. For an occasional culture fix you can take Amy to the theater or a concert in Thunder Bay, Ontario ( for that international feel ) or Duluth. The nearby town of Grand Marais is small and artsy and can accomodate your basic needs. It's considered Hot up here when the temps hit 80 degrees. The big lake keeps us warm in the winter and cool in the summer. There were more mosquitos at Blue Earth than there is up here. We don't have bot flies, nor many ticks.and as an added bonus Mary knows most of the fishing hot spots, and she said she'll cook your suppers for a year! (I said that???) Well, how's that?
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, WOW, That sounds like quite a deal! Mary, can you up the bid? This could get interesting. Steve Steve, I can assure you that a move out West to the fishing Mecca of the US, lakes, streams, rivers and ocean. Plus some of the most beautiful scenery you will ever find. The rain forest is like the jungle, stag, deer, coyotes, bear, etc. Not to mention a clientele ready for you the first day and a good small animal Vet who will house you immediately. There is already a system in place for relief days and weekends. Plus Anne Appleby an hour away and Gayle Ware six hours. How is that for a recruitment project??? I even have the land for you to build on in a quiet neighborhood and land is cheap here. I.e., water bill is $7.50 a month and other such conveniences. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, I can assure you that a move out West to the fishing Mecca of the US, lakes, streams, rivers and ocean. Plus some of the most beautiful scenery you will ever find. The rain forest is like the jungle, stag, deer, coyotes, bear, etc. Not to mention a clientele ready for you the first day and a good small animal Vet who will house you immediately. There is already a system in place for relief days and weekends. Plus Anne Appleby an hour away and Gayle Ware six hours. How is that for a recruitment project??? I even have the land for you to build on in a quiet neighborhood and land is cheap here. I.e., water bill is $7.50 a month and other such conveniences. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mary, When I'm in one of the stalls or in an inclosed space I hook the panic snap to the tie spot and the bull snap to the halter. Someone pointed out to me that if there was a panic situation it would be easier to get to the panic snap if it wasn't right by the horse. BUT If you hook up this way outside and the horse becomes a runaway it has a line or tie connected to it that could be a problem. A friend of my parents down in El Paso had a young horse who took off and the lead line kept slapping him in the flank which made him go even faster. He endend up being injured badly in the ordeal. This was just a lead line without a snap on the end so it didn't weigh as much but I still worry about what a crosstie would do. It could wrap around the feet. So when I'm tying them up outside I do it the opposite. Sorry to hear about your Vet. It seems like he just got there! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you to get another. Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Jon Mary Ofjord wrote: I have a question for anyone who may care to answer...I have always put a panic snap or trailer tie with the panic snap-end attached to the ring or stationery object, and the bull snap attached to the horse's halter. Some folks do just the opposite, attaching the panic snap to the horse's halter. Is there a correct way to do this? Or is it just personal preferences?
SV: Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mary Ofjord wrote: I have a question for anyone who may care to answer...I have always put a panic snap or trailer tie with the panic snap-end attached to the ring or stationery object, and the bull snap attached to the horse's halter. Some folks do just the opposite, attaching the panic snap to the horse's halter. Is there a correct way to do this? Or is it just personal preferences? If there is a correct way, I belive that your way is the right one. I used to do it the other way around and until Lektra opened her panic snap during the journey by scrubbing it to the barrier in front of her. Fourtunately, she is very used to transportation and didn't turn around or anything. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home)
Panic snaps other stuff
This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Listers; Just trying to catch up on all the emails since we were away at Blue Earth. We didn't bring any of our horses, but did transport a stallion for someone else, and helped, and got in the way too! Had a great time seeing old friends and making new ones. Great looking bunch of Fjords at the show evaluation. I have a question for anyone who may care to answer...I have always put a panic snap or trailer tie with the panic snap-end attached to the ring or stationery object, and the bull snap attached to the horse's halter. Some folks do just the opposite, attaching the panic snap to the horse's halter. Is there a correct way to do this? Or is it just personal preferences? I had to chuckle when I read about people losing equipment where they board. While I'm sure losing equipment does happen, I'm forever picking up stray brushes, whips, lead ropes and other assorted stuff left laying around by our boarders. I have a central Lost Found bucket where I put the stray stuff and they can reclaim it when it comes up missing. Our county will also be losing our horse vet. He his family just moved here about two years ago. All of the horse owners in this and the next county were elated to finally have a vet up here. But due to health problems, they have to move back to the big city. WAH! We will be Vet-less In Northern Minnesota again. Any vets out there wanna move up to a cool part of the country? Wonderful people, beautiful area, great horses...well, we can only hope. Carol R..As far as Blue Earth went, all the Green Valley Farm mares placed high, especially at halter evalutaion, and the Rokida Fjord stallions placed high in Halter evaluation, but (IMHO) never the twain shall meet. It was great to see Obie from Starfire Farms and see how well their horses were trained. Those ladies do a great job, along with many others at the show. Gotta go to bed.. Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords
Re: Bad summer, forelocks and other stuff
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, time for my question: my gelding Cider has a pretty short and silly-looking forelock. On the other hand, he has a thick mane and a lovely tail. Does anyone know a trick to make the forelock grow longer? You might try eliminating the bridle path. Let that hair grow down and into the forelock. Not quite as neat as a true bridle path, but the hair further back does grow longer. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bad summer, forelocks and other stuff
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all! I guess many of you have heard about the heath wave in southern Europe. Now, this has caused all the bad weather to go north and has given us here in Sweden a very bad summer. In many places they have not been able to put up any hay yet, and perhaps there won't be any in some parts of the country. Large areas in mid-Sweden has been flooded due to much rain. Roads, bridges and houses have been destroyed by violent streams, that used to be small rivers or even creeks, but now have grown into rapids. People has to boil the drinking water. They say that things are getting better, but it's still raining outside...in this part of the country, we haven't been flooded yet and hopefully we won't be. 'My' barn-owner has managed to get the hay in, but the horses will eat haylage most of the time this winter too. They will have their annual shot in august. Another sad thing that has happend here is that a horse-murderer is on the loose in southern Sweden. He has killed three horses - one of them was a fjord mare! Only a mile from my barn another horse was cut (she survived) by somebody (a different person this time - the horse-murders are many miles from here) which has caused us to lock all halters and lead ropes into the harness room and to lock the barn as well. Apparantly, the horse had been brought in from the pasture into the barn, and we hope to make things a bit more difficult for anyone by locking up the barn and hiding things that can be used to tie a horse. The horses weren't even allowed to wear their fly masks, which made my mare catch an eye-infection! She's fine now and her flymask is on. The situation has been quiet for some weeks, but they still have no trace of the person who cut the mare. I'm not particulary worried about my own mare, since she's afraid of strangers and I don't think she would let a strange man handle her. BUT one never knows and there are other mares in our barn. Well, time for my question: my gelding Cider has a pretty short and silly-looking forelock. On the other hand, he has a thick mane and a lovely tail. Does anyone know a trick to make the forelock grow longer? Regards Anneli in a rainy Sweden * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home)
Re: Acorns other stuff...
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding miniature goats. When I visited my niece in Montana in the fall she had just acquired a miniature doe. It had been at a petting zoo and was ill and my niece must rescue the world. She had it trained to use a tub, she was raising it in the house, for the bathroom. As it grew so did its destructiveness! First the house plants, then the counters, you get the picture. There are also six dogs five cats, and a missing ferret in the house. Believe me this is not my style and it is a beautiful home. My niece just loves critters. She finally bought a second miniature and they are both (goats that is) living quite happily outside and nights in the big chicken coop. But they are destructive beasies. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Acorns other stuff...
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes, i have seen mine eating acorns too. we have native california, white oak, blue oak, live oaks and black oaks. no problem for them. the eat the grass and the acorns in one mouthful. crunch, crunch. denise, central sierra nevadas. - Original Message - From: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Cc: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Acorns other stuff... This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...have any of you actually seen a horse eat acorns? I doubt they would want to eat them due to texture palatability as they are very bitter...I know I tried to eat them as a kid. Native peoples used them by first soaking them in water to remove the tannins, then dried them and ground them into a nourishing flour. Yup. All 3 of my Fjords and my donkey relish acorns. (Note, these are from live oak trees native to the California coast---a variety that the Native Americans ate. Other parts of the country undoubtedly have other species of oaks, so YMMV) When let out of their corral during acorn season, my equines stop under the big oak tree in the alleyway and vacuum for a while, before going out to where the grass is. I've even seen them reach up and pick almost-ripe acorns off the tree, then eat them! They don't eat a lot of them at any one session, and don't seem to be bothered by the practice. Our pastures contain a variety of plants (native and non-) that are poisonous to equines, as defined by the USDA pamphlets I got from the local Ag Extension agent. (BTW, no mention is made therein of oaks or acorns.) Anyway, my experience has been that, if there is grass or other good forage available, my equines will concentrate on it, and not bother with more than a sample mouthful of the bad stuff. OTOH, when this topic came up on the LONGEARS list, one member in far Northern California reported having lost a jack to oak poisoning. His pen was under some deciduous variety of oaks, and he apparently developed a taste for the fallen leaves---over several days, vacuumed his pen clean of several inches depth of them, then refused to eat anything else, and eventually died of it. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif.
Re: Acorns other stuff...
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear lori, mine do the same thing. they don't eat a lot of the needles, just a mouthful or two, but their breath smells like a christmas tree! no ill effects. denise - Original Message - From: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Acorns other stuff... This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Mary Ofjord wrote: In re the discussion of acornshave any of you actually seen a horse eat acorns? I doubt they would want to eat them due to texture palatability as they are very bitter... I sometimes think that the Fjord survival instinct is not bothered by such inconsequentials as flavour. We recently fenced a field containing some white pine trees (which I like, and didn't want killed off). The people we asked about the compatibility of horses and pine trees all said the horses wouldn't eat the trees, too bitter. The first day we brought the yearlings in I noticed they had Christmas Tree Breath. You guessed it, they stand out there, take a bite of pine needles off the tree, and with a disgusted look on their face, chew it up and swallow it. They aren't really eating a lot of pine, they just take a bite every now and then, but I guess all my pine trees will eventually be bare below five feet or so. But I've kept the pregnant mares out of that field, just in case pine needles are bad for them. Lori
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...have any of you actually seen a horse eat acorns? I doubt they would want to eat them due to texture palatability as they are very bitter...I know I tried to eat them as a kid. Native peoples used them by first soaking them in water to remove the tannins, then dried them and ground them into a nourishing flour. Yup. All 3 of my Fjords and my donkey relish acorns. (Note, these are from live oak trees native to the California coast---a variety that the Native Americans ate. Other parts of the country undoubtedly have other species of oaks, so YMMV) When let out of their corral during acorn season, my equines stop under the big oak tree in the alleyway and vacuum for a while, before going out to where the grass is. I've even seen them reach up and pick almost-ripe acorns off the tree, then eat them! They don't eat a lot of them at any one session, and don't seem to be bothered by the practice. Our pastures contain a variety of plants (native and non-) that are poisonous to equines, as defined by the USDA pamphlets I got from the local Ag Extension agent. (BTW, no mention is made therein of oaks or acorns.) Anyway, my experience has been that, if there is grass or other good forage available, my equines will concentrate on it, and not bother with more than a sample mouthful of the bad stuff. OTOH, when this topic came up on the LONGEARS list, one member in far Northern California reported having lost a jack to oak poisoning. His pen was under some deciduous variety of oaks, and he apparently developed a taste for the fallen leaves---over several days, vacuumed his pen clean of several inches depth of them, then refused to eat anything else, and eventually died of it. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif.
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This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Mary Ofjord wrote: In re the discussion of acornshave any of you actually seen a horse eat acorns? I doubt they would want to eat them due to texture palatability as they are very bitter... I sometimes think that the Fjord survival instinct is not bothered by such inconsequentials as flavour. We recently fenced a field containing some white pine trees (which I like, and didn't want killed off). The people we asked about the compatibility of horses and pine trees all said the horses wouldn't eat the trees, too bitter. The first day we brought the yearlings in I noticed they had Christmas Tree Breath. You guessed it, they stand out there, take a bite of pine needles off the tree, and with a disgusted look on their face, chew it up and swallow it. They aren't really eating a lot of pine, they just take a bite every now and then, but I guess all my pine trees will eventually be bare below five feet or so. But I've kept the pregnant mares out of that field, just in case pine needles are bad for them. Lori
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This message is from: Jon Mary Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] In re the discussion of acornshave any of you actually seen a horse eat acorns? I doubt they would want to eat them due to texture palatability as they are very bitter...I know I tried to eat them as a kid. Native peoples used them by first soaking them in water to remove the tannins, then dried them and ground them into a nourishing flour. I also worry (a favorite passtime of mine) about some of the plants that are in our pasture, namely the buttercups, species of prunus, and bracken ferns. I've tried to hack all the chokecherries down, but they send up shoots every spring and I continue to hack. I've torn up the ferns in one area, only to realize that they weren't bracken ferns, and the horses seem to leave the buttercups alone even when the pasture is grazed down in the fall. I guess they tend not to eat the dangerous things I worry about. If they were starving they would probably try and eat those things. I don't think any of us on the list keep our horses in that kind of condition. ;-) We got Alexandra Kurland's book on clicker training and started using it on three of our horses today. What a hoot! They all seemed to pick it up quite quickly, but our three year old wouldn't drop the jolly ball when I clicked to her. She just kept shaking it up and down. She seemed to enjoy playing with the ball more than recieving a reward for her efforts. Can't wait to do more with this. Jon Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords Grand Marais, MN
Re: Bees and other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/20/99 11:38:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: udd (our gelding) has even done some gaming Hi Shirley- What is gaming? Brigid
Bees and other stuff
This message is from: Oscar Shirley Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought I would relate an incident that occurred yesterday. One of my youngsters, a sweet 2-year old mare, apparently found a bee's nest in the woods behind our barn. Lareena's nose and left eye were swollen, and her face was puffy when I first observed her. After visiting with Bob (my vet), I returned to monitor Lareena and found her face, nose and right eye rapidly swelling, and her left eye now swollen shut. Bob had instructed me to watch the throat latch area carefully, and fortunately Lareena had no indicators of any breathing problems. I spent about two hours hosing Lareena's face to control the swelling. The cold water worked effectively as the swelling slowed, and began to recede. The swelling in her nose and right eye were visibly reduced at the end of two hours, and Lareena was able to open her left eye by supper time. This morning all is well, and I'm sure we were very lucky that Lareena's reaction to the stings was limited to swelling. On to other stuff - Bridget in CA asked what others on the list do with their Fjords. I trail ride and do some very beginning level driving, we also pack with our horses. My daughter shows at area open shows and places well in Western, Bareback and trail classes. She shows English as well as jumping in the show ring. Budd (our gelding) has even done some gaming. So what haven't we done with a Fjord - well I guess I haven't sold one to my neighbor, the area reining king, but I'm working on that. Shirley Anderson.
Re: Gail Russell's #138 remarks amp; other stuff
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those of you in dry areas maybe put a drip on your ground rod(s) for a functional ground. Yes, we put our ground rods for solar powered chargers near (but safely out of range of curious horses),the stock tanks.When they overflow, it moistens the soil, and helps keep the ground rod functioning... Karen in Nevada ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Gail Russell's #138 remarks other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for some interesting comments about breeding for the color grey. At least not everyone is into it. It has been my experience with other breeds that white feet are soft. I need some help here. My e-mail allows me a signature that contains 400 characters. Boy, that means I could take up 1/2 of the screen with my signature. Now I need to think of what I can lull all of you to sleep with for my signature. I just want to thank some of you for consistency. You know who you are. That is a good trait when dealing with horses children. It does seem to push some buttons on the list though. Sometimes change is good. Surprise us. How would we feel if our horses made the same mistake over over again? Think about how much our host has to scroll through. I bet he has a life. To those of you experiencing problems with electric fences - the key to the success of a New Zealand type fence seems to be that one of the wires is a ground. That way there is a competed circuit everytime a horse challenges the fence. I don't see why it would not work on other electric fences. Those of you in dry areas maybe put a drip on your ground rod(s) for a functional ground. Bye Joel ___ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
Re: responding to a post other stuff
This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joel Harman wrote ... Why do some signatures take up more lines then the post. Is there something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Maybe some of us could just bundle our replies then we would only have to scroll the 10 line signatures once. Of course this may get back to not including the entire message one is replying to. Is there an echo in here? I have not noticed many excessive sigs on this digest. The ones Steve McIlree, Jean Gayle and I use are considered customary in size, maybe even smaller than customary. I am more often annoyed that more people on the list do not use sigs because if they say where they live and list their beasties and/or their farm name, home town and state in the sigs their posts mean a little more to us. I think you are a little unfair to pick on Jean G. She contributes a great deal to the list. We must put up with a few eccentricities ... ! If you are extremely upset by people accidently adding the post they are replying to, have you tried getting individual posts instead of digest? It is not such a bother in that form. It's also easier to file to save for disk in that form. My pet peeve is the misuse of 'Re:'. 'Re:' is supposed to be used like 'Reply:' and the subject line is not supposed to be tampered with for archival purposes (although we aren't archived yet). Many people on the list do this, so I'm certainly not picking on anyone in particular. When I see a subject that interests me that I hadn't seen before that starts with 'Re:' I automatically hunt for the original post. If it isn't there I worry that I've missed something until I realize the person didn't understand how to use 'Re:' and the reply post is the original post! If you want to learn proper protocal, study our host Steve Mc's posts and replies. He's pretty darn good! Anyways, I love our FH-L ... with all our flaws. Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy TN USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Dorina NFR Aagot ~
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There were 38 posts on the #136 digest. That takes a long time to go through. Maybe some of us take offense to having the entire message repeated because there are 38 posts on #136 digest. That takes a long time to go through 38 posts. Maybe that is why some of us take offense to having the entire message repeated because there are 38 posts on the #136 digest. Some have tried to be diplomatic in their requests to not repeat the entire message. Didn't seem to do any good. I am a firm believer in if one has nothing nice to say then say nothing. Hard to get a point across on a blank screen though, isn't it.? Maybe some of us take offense to it because there are ways to not repeat the message one is replying to. I think this has been gone over about 100 times now. Boy am I glad I don't have to go over things 100 times to teach it to my horses. Does breeding fillys have anything to do with the immediate gratification thing that seems to be prevalent in the world today? Talk about whipping a dead horse. Here's another one of those Arsenio Hall hmmm things. Why do some signatures take up more lines then the post. Is there something wrong with this picture or is it just me? Maybe some of us could just bundle our replies then we would only have to scroll the 10 line signatures once. Of course this may get back to not including the entire message one is replying to. Is there an echo in here? Have a nice day. Thank you for not including any of this post in your reply. Joel Harman ___ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
Re: Round pen work + other stuff
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, In regard to the debate of whether to use a chain or not, and how it works best - under or over the nose - I must add this. For years we used chains (stud chains as they're called around here). Never could get the things to work very well. It seemed the horses either ignored them or got mad when we used them. Several times we asked and were shown by different people the proper way to use them. Still no good. A few years ago I went to a Wil Howe clinic and learned to use what is called a cowboy halter - a rope halter with a double rope (braided) noseband and knots at the cheekbone and under the chin. They work great! No more pulling and misbehaving. The halter is light enough that the horse is not hampered by it if he is behaving, but the knots bump him on the chin and cheekbones if he acts up. We use them all the time, except for picketing (it is made of rope and could cause damage if an unattended horse became tangled in his rope) and showing. Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Niki, Thanks for bringing up about running the lunge line thru the bit, up an over the head and back down to the bit. I learned this many years ago, and although it takes a little longer to prepare the horse for a direction change, it works quite well and the horse is much more comfortable. Also, yes, the lunging caveson is a great help for starting a horse. Sometimes they can be found and purchased reasonably at Tack Sales. Also, I use cut up inner tubing for side lines-cheaper than buying! Regards, Bernadine Karns, in frozen Michigan.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have found that the lead rope over the nose or the lunge line is sufficient to get their attention and kinder. Jean Gayle P.S. I control my often exuberant Trakehner at 17 2 1/2 hands that way also. I've only read his book, not tapes. What does everyone think about chain over the nose, under the chin, etc., to gain more leverage when lungeing or when they're fresh and you need more control to get from point A to point B??? Susan in balmy MN ( it's 11 degrees today!) Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I lways use the chain OVER the nose with one turn over the halter noseband. If used as recommended in the TTeam method, as a signal, the chain is not severe this way, altho of course it can be. For lunging my youngster my instructor put it not only over the nose over the noseband but back around to istself, so there was no real tightening, just made the noseband feel a bit rougher. Used under the chin, my mare Stella will go up in the air, rearing, as she is vert sensitive under the chin. Also used under the chin makes them throw their head up, nose in the air. I is my opinion that the chain used over the nose ala Linda Tellinton-Jones TTeam method is less severe than using one of those thin rope halters with the hard knots. When lunging with a bit and bridle it is common to run the lunge line through the nearside bit, over the pole and down to the other sideof the bit. Jean in Fairbanks, where it was -7 at MY house this morning while it was -33 downtown! but with a wind! (wind chill = -50) Fairbanksans will call each other and compare temperatures! ( Mines higher than yours, naaa naaa!) Interesting comment on the chain under the chin -- my thoughts were that it would be less severe under the chin than over the nose, but maybe I'm wrong. ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Niki May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding lungeing: I never lunge my Fjord- she hates it and as I'm usually trying to get her to go faster (she can be pretty lazy!), certainly don't need the extra energy release before I ride. And, I'd rather spend the time riding! But, from riding mostly hunters and jumpers for many years, the tendency is to lunge these Thoroughbred hot type horses often. So I am familiar with it. A few thoughts on how to attach a lunge line to halter/bridle/cavesson... the best way to lunge a horse is with a lungeing caveson if you want to get any serious work done. These look a lot like a halter but have various rings attached to snap the lunge line onto, the rings all being on the top of the muzzle, leading me to believe anything under the nose is not a good idea. I prefer a lunge line without a chain, a plain cotton one- the nylon can really do a number on your hands if the horse gets away from you at all. The chains are usually too long and can swing up and hit the horse in the face or get too loose and move around on their face, becoming an annoyance. If you do lunge your horse with a plain halter or with a bridle on, to make it easier to hop on when you're done, care should be taken to attach the line. It is probably not a good idea to connect the snap directly to the bit ring. Especially with a chain-less line, a more correct way would be to run the line through the bit ring of the side closest to the middle of the circle, and then run the line over the horses head where the crownpiece of the bridle sets (right behind their ears) and snap the line to the bit ring on the opposite side. This makes the pressure more even so you are not constantly pulling on the bit on only one side of the horses mouth, and actually pulling him off the circle and into you which is the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish. If you are using a chain line, I would not put the chain under the nose. I would run it again through the halter ring closest to you and then over the nose, through the ring on the other side and snap it to the ring closer to their ears on the off side. It is also a good idea to put a twist of chain under the halter on the nose, not for leverage but so it won't slip off their nose so easily. Oh- and if you lunge with a bridle and reins- be sure to unbuckle the reins, twist them a bunch of times, stick them through the throatlatch and rebuckle so they are not flapping or shifting around near the ground within breaking distance. This wasn't supposed to be so long!! Hope it helped out some- I may have not been cleaar about some of the descriptions- let me know if some of it doesn't make sense and I'll try to explain better. Happy lunging Niki May
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nancy, Regarding your comment on long lining youngsters. The trainer who taught my daughter to ride when she was about 8 used a longe line every lesson. Only after Whitney felt totally comfortable, months later, did she allow her to ride without. Interesting comment on the chain under the chin -- my thoughts were that it would be less severe under the chin than over the nose, but maybe I'm wrong. I'm not familiar with the TEAM method, but have watched a lot of John Lyons tapes and presentations. Monty Roberts' methods sound similiar to John Lyons, but I've only read his book, not tapes. What does everyone think about chain over the nose, under the chin, etc., to gain more leverage when lungeing or when they're fresh and you need more control to get from point A to point B??? Susan in balmy MN ( it's 11 degrees today!)
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This message is from: Nancy Lehnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Misha (glad to hear from you!) and others for your thoughts on the round ring. We also have had great success using both a 30' and a 60' round ring made from tall metal panels with rounded corners. We teach voice commands but horses learn to respond to our body language first. Horses are quicker to pick up on how this works than most of us humans first learning. Misha's comment about getting a horse out of the corner is one well taken. The idea of stepping back to allow the horse to think and come to you seems to be a hard concept for some new folks trying to figure it all out but it is very important and really works great. It gives you a wonderful feeling very different from work on the lunge line. Monty Robert's video shows this especially well. The lunge line is a great aid in teaching children to ride especially when just learning the trot. They feel safer and the horse is less confused and you have some control over the situation. Once some one has the idea of the trot, it is nice to let them work in the round ring so they can work on their balance at the trot and not worry about trying to direct or vary the speed of the horse. It is a real confidence builder and the horses seem to stay calmer also. Does anyone long line riders ? One note on using a chain under the jaw... Please be careful. 15 years ago, I had in haste used a cow halter (nylon) on a 2 year old filly to tie her for 5 minutes. She had been tied many times before in a regular halter with no problems, but this time something spooked her and she pulled back and it tightened under her jaw. I released her quickly, but damage to the bone was started and she had to be turned out for 6 months after the vet gave her some meds I.V. The skin wasn't even broken in that area and if a nylon halter could do that certainly a chain could. I use the chain over the nose via the TEAM method or the knotted style halters. Sorry I didn't get in on the earlier discussion about Fjords eating straw. I started feeding 1/3rd ration straw on my veterinarians recommendation for winter feeding to help keep their gut active and therefore helping to keep them warmer with out adding extra calories. I have had heated waterers and it has worked great for 8 years running for usually 20 to 30 head of Fjords and other breeds. It is important to have free access to water and introduce the amount of straw gradually to avoid impaction problems. I even fed it free choice along with a rationed hay feeding when the weather was severe. I had to stop feeding it free choice in the summer when one of the geldings seemed to put on 100 extra pounds -- and from straw!! Who would have believed it! Only a really easy keeping Fjord! I have had horses come in 100, 200, up to 500 lbs overweight! It takes a little ingenuity to keep them happy and dieted at the same time. Straw, hand grazing or picketing and grass hay work great along with some exercise. One other thing my vet recommended about straw -- to use it for bedding for foaling instead of shavings as it doesn't have the tendency to irritate the navel of the foal or the eyes like shavings can. I like the absorption quality of shavings and have found placing a layer of shavings under a thick layer of straw works very well. The shavings soak up the urine while the straw is clean for the foal. Enough already! Think Spring! Happy Trails . . . Nancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nancysfjordhorses.com
