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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:17 PM 8/6/2001 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/6/01 5:34:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You could draw a blood sample, but that would mean a nasty prick with a > needle. Just how I feel about my doctor when he wants to draw my blood. Oh real nice Pam! ;-) === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:17 PM 8/6/2001 -0300, you wrote: This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yup when you mentioned the hair coming out when you brush your hairthat is exactly what my husband said So why can't you just take a new card or stiff horse brush and do the horses tail.some hairs with roots are sure to come outand know what? Well they probably could get DNA from some of the hairs that way BUT it would just be to labor intensive to do so. I am sure that would raise the price of doing the test. the hairs that come out in my brush do not even hurt when they leave my headbut if I were to jerk them outwell that is a different matter. And they probably don't have many roots on them either so it really isn't the same anyway And in Storms case, he does not seem to mind his tail being brushed at all but course since his mane is so short, I would hate to pull too much on that. The length of the hair doesn't really have much to do with it I don't think. If the mane seems to hard the tail is also a site that can be used. I have seen kids jerking out mane hairs to get ready for a showand I had even heard that there were no nerve endings in a horses mane and tailnot that I believed it for a minute. I have heard that too but I am not sure if it is true or not myself. Storm did not need dnaI suppose all breeding studs and mares need this done?? According to the message I just read from Joan Kemp yes that is true now for Canada. If so that would explain why my gelding did not need doing. He was microchipped at the same time he was gelded. Yes we do not DNA type geldings yet either unless they are going into an Evaluation. If one chose, a good time to do dna from blood would be when the yearly vaccinations are done. A few years back, we had a Morgan filly blood typed for identification... hair pulling was not even an option at that time. Yes that is true. Blood Typing & DNA typing are 2 completely different methods though. DNA typing is much more accurate than Blood Typing. But the DNA typing can be done from a blood sample too. >And then to really answer that question, NO I do not make the rules. I am >the Registrar of the NFHR, the Board of Directors makes the rules. But in >the case of DNA typing I think it is a very good rule. You would be very >surprised at how many horses would be incorrectly registered to the wrong >parents without it. If this is true, Mike... was Storm properly registered then, since he was not dna tested I can't answer that for you. You will have to ask the Canadian Registry. Is the Canadian registry different? Yes Eunice are you here? Can you answer that one??? I am just curious as it seems each registry is different. >Whatever you want to do Sue. It is a free country an no one is going to >force you to register your horses (at least not in the USA). Yup free country here in Canada too Mike. But sometimes the rules and regulations would make one think differently. And Mike, I was just teasing about you thinking up ways of torture as Lisa was teasing a bit about pulling mane hairsgood that we can have a good laugh sometimein this terrible heat wave we need a good laugh. Have a nice day. Yeah I am sure I wasn't in the best of moods last week trying to get all of the Libby Evaluation entries in order either. It is still to hot here too. It is supposed to be up in the 90's all week from what I have heard. Sure glad I have A/C here. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:42 AM 8/6/2001 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: "Keith and Joan Kemp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Regarding CFHA - DNA All breeding stallions registered with Canadian Livestock Records Corporation must be DNA tested and a record of this DNA test result filed with CLRC before their offspring can be registered. Effective January 1, 2000 - All breeding mares registered with the CLRC must be DNA tested and a record of this DNA test results filed with the CLRC before their offspring can be registered. Thanks for the clarification Joan === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:57 AM 8/6/2001 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not going to think of what it might be without you Mike. I am saying "Thank You "for all the help you have giving us. I have called you , wrote you and emailed you. Never once did you question me or say my questions were dumb. Keep up the good work. Tillie Thanks Tille. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/6/01 5:34:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You could draw a blood sample, but that would mean a nasty prick with a > needle. Just how I feel about my doctor when he wants to draw my blood. Pamela
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, well, i have to confessi am s sorry!!! i admit, i had to torture quinn today. i used my heavy duty pliers and yanked approx 50 tail hairs from his fluffy tail, and i might add, he took it like the man he is. not one tear, not one flinch did i get from him. of course i did it in the barn, away from prying neighbor's eyes. so all of you on the list, and any peta lurkers out there, please forgive me!!! the dna test material in now in the hands of the u.s. postal service. denise delgado
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > So why can't you > just take > a new card or stiff horse brush and do the horses tail The material they are after is the tissue that comes out with the rooted hair. Hairs that come out with simple brushing are loose and won't always have root on them. Yes, there are probably some hairs with root on them, but they don't want to have to sort thru 50 hairs to find one with enough tissue. > I have seen kids jerking out mane hairs to get ready for a > showand I had > even heard that there were no nerve endings in a horses mane and > tailnot > that I believed it for a minute. Sure they have nerve endings, but they are not very sensitive. The mane and tail isn't exactly a tactile portion of the body like facial hairs. Trust me, there is very little discomfort with pulling mane/tail hairs. You could draw a blood sample, but that would mean a nasty prick with a needle. That usually requires a vet call, plus blood samples can spill, break in the mail, etc. . Hair samples are much easier to handle, which is why they prefer them. Some breeds allow nasal swabs. Shoving a nasal swab up a horses nose though can be a lot more hassle though sometimes than just yanking a few hairs. Steve and Amy White Prairieholm Farm Waterloo, Nebraska
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This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Yes I sit around the office thinking up new ways to torture horses all the >time. Dear Mike...I got a great laugh out of your post I can picture you now saying "h now what can I think up to do that would torture those Fjord horses now"? LOL >It isn't as bad as Lisa's tongue in cheek message made it out to be. Look >at the brush after you brush your hair. See anything there? Will you ever >brush it again? Yup when you mentioned the hair coming out when you brush your hairthat is exactly what my husband said So why can't you just take a new card or stiff horse brush and do the horses tail.some hairs with roots are sure to come outand know what? the hairs that come out in my brush do not even hurt when they leave my headbut if I were to jerk them outwell that is a different matter. And in Storms case, he does not seem to mind his tail being brushed at all but course since his mane is so short, I would hate to pull too much on that. I have seen kids jerking out mane hairs to get ready for a showand I had even heard that there were no nerve endings in a horses mane and tailnot that I believed it for a minute. This spring Misty, my arab mare, had many braided snarls in her mane (compliments of the Appy gelding). I used scissors and seam rippers to cut throught them as she would not stand for pulling. Storm did not need dnaI suppose all breeding studs and mares need this done?? If so that would explain why my gelding did not need doing. He was microchipped at the same time he was gelded. If one chose, a good time to do dna from blood would be when the yearly vaccinations are done. A few years back, we had a Morgan filly blood typed for identification... hair pulling was not even an option at that time. >And then to really answer that question, NO I do not make the rules. I am >the Registrar of the NFHR, the Board of Directors makes the rules. But in >the case of DNA typing I think it is a very good rule. You would be very >surprised at how many horses would be incorrectly registered to the wrong >parents without it. If this is true, Mike... was Storm properly registered then, since he was not dna tested Is the Canadian registry different? Eunice are you here? Can you answer that one??? I am just curious as it seems each registry is different. >Whatever you want to do Sue. It is a free country an no one is going to >force you to register your horses (at least not in the USA). Yup free country here in Canada too Mike. But sometimes the rules and regulations would make one think differently. And Mike, I was just teasing about you thinking up ways of torture as Lisa was teasing a bit about pulling mane hairsgood that we can have a good laugh sometimein this terrible heat wave we need a good laugh. Have a nice day. Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Sue Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Surely if dna is necessary, there must be > some method of getting > this without torturing the poor horse in this > manner. This is > ridiculous...putting a horse through that! Yup, there is another method. It's called blood typing, and it requires a whole syringe of blood be drawn from the horse's neck. Now THAT'S true torture - for the horse AND the handler AND THE VET!!! To say nothing of the cost of having the vet out. Pulling a few hairs from the tail is 'like falling off a log' in comparison. Took me all of two minutes and the horses never even stopped eating. And, no, they were not tied or restrained either. I just walked out, started brushing their tails, pulled the needed hairs with a pair of pliers(they don't slip as easily as my fingers do), and went on brushing. Hairs into envelope; on to the next horse. No big deal. AND I could do it myself without having the vet out. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think there is a problem with hurting you fjord--horses do ALOT more painful things to each other than pulling 50 hairs out! neither of my guy's even flinched--and one was barley a yearling-- what happens when you brush your guys mane out??? don't you find hairs come out--please don't make more out of it than it really is. Randi in s.w. Wisc. - Original Message - From: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord Digest" Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:50 AM Subject: dna testing > This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > << any ideas on the quickest, easiest way to yank out 50 hairs > with roots intact from the mane and tail? >>>> > > >>> > > > Eat a light breakfast. Say prayers. Do not attempt this >while alone. > > Clasp hairs in fingers. Gloves optional. Stand away >from hoofs. Yank > hard > >in one sudden motion, do not pull slowly or gently. Be >ready to move > >yourself. Do not try to do all the hairs at once, but keep >in mindthe > >poor horse will remember this procedure every passing >day if you drag it > on. > >Wear a disquise or have hubby do it. Flat, fast shoes, >no heels. Do not > drop > >hairs in haste of moving from hoofs aiming for you. >Keep in mind that > horses > >can and do kick sideways. Call Mike May for >complaining about this > torture. > >Its all his idea, Im sure. > >Lisa Pedersen > > Who in Heavens name came up with this sort of torture? Mike May did you > really do that?? My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the > Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done. He was microchipped and that > was it. Surely if dna is necessary, there must be some method of getting > this without torturing the poor horse in this manner. This is > ridiculous...putting a horse through that! If it is as bad as you say, > Lisa, then the S.P.C.A. should be notified! If someone started pulling out > my hair three strands or even one at a time, for that matter, I would not > forget and they had better be running when they finish and stay clear of me > for quite some time...like when I get so senile I forget.! Can't dna be > taken from saliva? If this was necessary to register my horse, I am very > much afraid he would remain unregistered! After all, I have to do this > beasties mane for the rest of his life and if to do dna results in risk of > life and limbNO THANK YOU! IMHO Papers are not that all important to > me! > Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i second you and then tons more, tillie, in regards to mike. he is a gem, though unseen to me, via the internet. a very nice man. denise
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This message is from: "Keith and Joan Kemp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Regarding CFHA - DNA All breeding stallions registered with Canadian Livestock Records Corporation must be DNA tested and a record of this DNA test result filed with CLRC before their offspring can be registered. Effective January 1, 2000 - All breeding mares registered with the CLRC must be DNA tested and a record of this DNA test results filed with the CLRC before their offspring can be registered. Keith and Joan Kemp Turtle Mountain Fjords and Alpacas Killarney MB Canada Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.wdd.cx/fjords -- > From: Starfire Farm, LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Re: dna testing > Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 9:16 AM > > This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the > > >Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done. He was microchipped and > > >that was it. > > I think, and someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong, that the Canadian > fjord horse registry is working on requiring DNA testing for future > registration.
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This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote: > >My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the > >Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done. He was microchipped and > >that was it. I think, and someone out there can correct me if I'm wrong, that the Canadian fjord horse registry is working on requiring DNA testing for future registration. > >This is ridiculous...putting a horse through that! If it is as bad as you > >say, > >Lisa, then the S.P.C.A. should be notified! I had one of our fjord geldings paddocked next to a 16.3 thoroughbred who reached over the fence and "plucked" the fjord gelding's perfect mane. He pulled out a circle of hair the size of a 50 cent piece! The fjord gelding went back for more! I kept finding bundles of white mane hair (pulled out by the roots) inside the thoroughbred's paddock. Ended up having to hot wire them from each other. Must not have hurt that badly if he kept going back to lose more hair. Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not going to think of what it might be without you Mike. I am saying "Thank You "for all the help you have giving us. I have called you , wrote you and emailed you. Never once did you question me or say my questions were dumb. Keep up the good work. Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie & Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, if I see a chance to find out who are A'simis parents I will do this cruelty ... Just for to find out what happened to him before I could buy him in this dog pension. But there is no chance to find it out. In Germany the DNA will not be registered, only the branding. And A'simi has no papers, no brand - nothing.
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 01:50 PM 8/5/01 -0300, you wrote: This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Who in Heavens name came up with this sort of torture? Mike May did you really do that?? Yes I sit around the office thinking up new ways to torture horses all the time. And then to really answer that question, NO I do not make the rules. I am the Registrar of the NFHR, the Board of Directors makes the rules. But in the case of DNA typing I think it is a very good rule. You would be very surprised at how many horses would be incorrectly registered to the wrong parents without it. My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done. He was microchipped and that was it. Sorry but microchipping doesn't tell me who his parents are. DNA typing does. Microchipping is a great tool for identification once you know who the horse really is. Surely if dna is necessary, there must be some method of getting this without torturing the poor horse in this manner. Sure there is. If you really can't bring yourself to pull out a few hairs then you can do it with a blood sample. Of course that way is going to cost you a Vet call & an overnight mailing charge to the lab too but it can be done. This is ridiculous...putting a horse through that! If it is as bad as you say, Lisa, then the S.P.C.A. should be notified! It isn't as bad as Lisa's tongue in cheek message made it out to be. Look at the brush after you brush your hair. See anything there? Will you ever brush it again? Can't dna be taken from saliva? I don't think so. At least not yet If this was necessary to register my horse, I am very much afraid he would remain unregistered! That is of course your choice. You can always get someone else to do the dirty work for you too. After all, I have to do this beasties mane for the rest of his life and if to do dna results in risk of life and limbNO THANK YOU! IMHO Papers are not that all important to me! Whatever you want to do Sue. It is a free country an no one is going to force you to register your horses (at least not in the USA). Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue how do you suppose those jumpers, hunters and dressage horses get those short manes? They are pulled not cut or trimmed/ I hired my hair dresser to come out and see if she could cut my horses mane in such a way that it would look pulled. I really did not like pulling his mane.She thinned it but went through three blades and it still did not look pulled. Most horses get quite used to it and do not flinch. My mare has never allowed it. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
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This message is from: "Sue Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> << any ideas on the quickest, easiest way to yank out 50 hairs with roots intact from the mane and tail? >>> > Eat a light breakfast. Say prayers. Do not attempt this >while alone. > Clasp hairs in fingers. Gloves optional. Stand away >from hoofs. Yank hard >in one sudden motion, do not pull slowly or gently. Be >ready to move >yourself. Do not try to do all the hairs at once, but keep >in mindthe >poor horse will remember this procedure every passing >day if you drag it on. >Wear a disquise or have hubby do it. Flat, fast shoes, >no heels. Do not drop >hairs in haste of moving from hoofs aiming for you. >Keep in mind that horses >can and do kick sideways. Call Mike May for >complaining about this torture. >Its all his idea, Im sure. >Lisa Pedersen Who in Heavens name came up with this sort of torture? Mike May did you really do that?? My colt, Redbank Desert Storm, was registered in the Canadian Fjord registry and dna was not done. He was microchipped and that was it. Surely if dna is necessary, there must be some method of getting this without torturing the poor horse in this manner. This is ridiculous...putting a horse through that! If it is as bad as you say, Lisa, then the S.P.C.A. should be notified! If someone started pulling out my hair three strands or even one at a time, for that matter, I would not forget and they had better be running when they finish and stay clear of me for quite some time...like when I get so senile I forget.! Can't dna be taken from saliva? If this was necessary to register my horse, I am very much afraid he would remain unregistered! After all, I have to do this beasties mane for the rest of his life and if to do dna results in risk of life and limbNO THANK YOU! IMHO Papers are not that all important to me! Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
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This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote: > > You don't have to pull all 50 of them at once. You can pull from different > spots too. I have never done it myself but I have heard that a good pair > of pliers works pretty well for gripping them too. > > Mike The horse really likes to see you come at them again to get another bunch of hair. You can pretty much write off that day for your "Horse/Owner bonding" Mark Mariposa Farm
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This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote: > > You don't have to pull all 50 of them at once. You can pull from different > spots too. I have never done it myself but I have heard that a good pair > of pliers works pretty well for gripping them too. > > Mike The horse really likes to see you come at them again to get another bunch of hair. You can pretty much write off that day for your "Horse/Owner bonding" Mark Mariposa Farm
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This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you really feel sorry for your ponies as you pluck, try applying a little Ambesol to the area you wish to pluck from. (I think Ambesol is what parents use for kids teething? Mild topical?) Way back in another era, when I was doing allot eventing (jumping, not driven), I had to pull a few manes, as we had to braid, horror of horrors!! If done correctly, plucking a few (3-5) hairs at a time, and over a time period of say a week, it's no big deal. You must realise you only take a veyy few hairs at a time, and yank swiftly, with a strong , short jerk...no half way, "Oh, I am sooo sorry" jerks, OK? Otherwise they WILL feel it! I am glad that there have been no DNA disputes with my ponies, er, horses...as I have probably never had anywhere near the correct amount of hair in there, I probably average about 33 strands of mane/tail hair for each kit I send in to UCD. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Denise, it's like removing a bandage... do it real fast and they won't even notice... we do the tails... pluck, pluck, done!! they don't seem to even notice. Ruthie, nw mt > This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > dear mike, i don't mean to be rude, but i know not to pull out all 50 > at one time. that would leave a bloddly mess, i'm sure! i tried > hemostats (pliers). they work very well. and finally, fifty hairs is a > lot, but that is what the lab requested on the kit instructions. denise
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear mike, i don't mean to be rude, but i know not to pull out all 50 at one time. that would leave a bloddly mess, i'm sure! i tried hemostats (pliers). they work very well. and finally, fifty hairs is a lot, but that is what the lab requested on the kit instructions. denise
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 8/4/01 3:46:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > . I have never done it myself but I have heard that a good pair > Oh it's a piece of cake. You've got an itty bitty foal. And you lovingly entwine your fingers in that curly mane and pluck. They don't even notice. Heck, even if they're bigger the process is still the same. Easy. Pamela
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:00 PM 8/3/01 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, a new question for you out there....i just recieved my dna testing kit for quinn. any ideas on the quickest, easiest way to yank out 50 hairs with roots intact from the mane and tail? denise You don't have to pull all 50 of them at once. You can pull from different spots too. I have never done it myself but I have heard that a good pair of pliers works pretty well for gripping them too. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:31 PM 8/3/01 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: "John Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <> Why do they need so many hairs? We only need half that many when doing a DNA testhairs are sent to Guelph, Ont. The lab at Davis requests that many as they store the extras for future testing if needed. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97
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This message is from: "John Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <> Why do they need so many hairs? We only need half that many when doing a DNA testhairs are sent to Guelph, Ont. We only pull hairs from the mane.Pull 2 or 3 at a time with a "quick jerk". Fjordally yours, Eunice[EMAIL PROTECTED] John & Eunice Bosomworth Deere Country Fjords Ayton, Ontario, CANADA `
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, a new question for you out therei just recieved my dna testing kit for quinn. any ideas on the quickest, easiest way to yank out 50 hairs with roots intact from the mane and tail? denise
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:47 PM 10/5/00 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, we have both Reg. Paint and Miniature Horses. We are required to DNA all of our breeding stock. The Miniature kits are costing us $45 and the Paints are about the same. So your prices are not far off... $17 is really a deal, wish I could get in on that. Yeah I don't think that is real myself. Maybe they have someone doing it in their garage at night or something. Our prices are also a bit higher as we are still paying for the conversion to DNA from Blood typing. When a horse is presented for registration that has a sire or dam that was Blood Typed the NFHR pays the lab fees to get the blood sample they kept in the freezer for us converted to a DNA type. Most other labs don't keep samples like that either. Who does the DNA testing? We have to send ours all to UC Davis in California both breeds. We use Davis also. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/05/2000 6:44:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I really doubt that they are getting it done for $17 each. Our lab costs > alone are more than double that amount. Then we have to pay for the kits > to be made up too. Add in some postage etc. etc and the costs add up. We > do make a slight profit on the kits but it isn't much. > > Mike Mike, we have both Reg. Paint and Miniature Horses. We are required to DNA all of our breeding stock. The Miniature kits are costing us $45 and the Paints are about the same. So your prices are not far off... $17 is really a deal, wish I could get in on that. Who does the DNA testing? We have to send ours all to UC Davis in California both breeds. I dont know what it actually costs to have them do the work... we order the kits from the breed associations and pay them directly. Lou Check out our website http://hometown.aol.com/dbldayfarm/index.html";>DoubleDay Farm - Paint & Miniature Horses
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:53 AM 7/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be getting a few hairs here and there and sending them off asap! Yeah I wish the instructions were better than they are. We have the kits sent out from a company that does them for many different breeds. They are kind of generic instructions. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:48 AM 7/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, the info in the Fjord Herald says DNA testing is not required of Geldings. If we are registering our under 6 month old colt and we are pretty sure he will be gelded in the future, should we then not have him DNA tested? You are correct. We do not require the DNA typing of geldings. BUT in order to take advantage of that he has to be gelded before he is registered. But since the price only goes up by $15 for the over 6 month old gelding it is still better than paying the DNA kit fee. If you want to register him before he is gelded you would have to have him DNA typed. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/12/99 3:47:26 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Don't make it harder than it has to be. >> No, won't do that . Very glad to be on this list. The instructions on the kit were clear as mud and sounded brutal, and dangerous! I'm imagining a yearling's reaction to getting 100 hairs yanked out of her tail in one shot! And how far I'd be flying afterwards. I'll be getting a few hairs here and there and sending them off asap! Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike, the info in the Fjord Herald says DNA testing is not required of Geldings. If we are registering our under 6 month old colt and we are pretty sure he will be gelded in the future, should we then not have him DNA tested? Thanks, Suzan
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:43 AM 7/10/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/9/99 21:00:38 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If you did all 50 at once, the horse might never speak to you again! Julie >> or speak only evil to me henceforth. I've heard a couple people say they do it all at once, and the instructions look like that's what they want you to do. But if I can do it just a few at a time, I can handle it and keep Skylark's good will. The important thing is to get the root. They actually only use 4 - 5 hairs for the test. The rest is stored for future testing if needed. For instance in case of a parentage verification that doesn't really quite match. Also they take 1/2 of the hair and store it at another location from the main lab. This is in case of a fire or some other disaster should occur and destroy all of the stored samples. That is why they need so many. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:48 PM 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got my DNA test kit in the mail. What I thought would be an easy job looks a little more daunting than I expected. Silly me. I thought I'd just pluck a couple hairs out of Skylark's tail, and ship them out. I had NO CLUE that I'd have to wrap my finger up in her tail, and pull 50-100 hairs out at the same time!! First, I'm not sure I have the strength to pull all that out in one yank, and I'd be mentally wanting to not pull that hard, cause it's gotta hurt! Second, if I do muster up what it takes to pull 100 hairs out of her tail in one shot, she's going to want to knock my lights out! So, for those of you more experienced with the DNA test, can you tell me what YOU do when it comes time to get some tail hair? First - NO You don't have to or want to for that matter pull all of the hair from one spot. As to the wrapping it around ones finger and pulling it - I am not sure that is the best method either. I tell people to get a pair a pliers and grab about a dozen or so hairs in the middle of the mane and pull straight up. Do this in 4 - 5 different spots and your all set. Don't make it harder than it has to be. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/9/99 21:00:38 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If you did all 50 at once, the horse might never speak to you again! Julie >> or speak only evil to me henceforth. I've heard a couple people say they do it all at once, and the instructions look like that's what they want you to do. But if I can do it just a few at a time, I can handle it and keep Skylark's good will. Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks~ I was thinking you'd have to yank really hard to get 50-100 in one shot, and that my lights would be kicked out by the time it was over. Glad to hear that they come out relatively easy and the horses don't seem to care. I did used to pull the mane on the TB I had, but she was such a prima donna, she'd fuss and complain constantly! Pamela
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This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I pull hairs for DNA testing, I wrap the hairs around my index finger close to the base of the hair and give a quick, but firm tug in a downward direction. They all come out in a nice bundle and no one seems to mind at all. They don't even flinch. I always was under the (probably incorrect)impression that the hair in horses manes and tails don't have the same nerve receptors as our do, hence they don't seem to feel it like we do. Look what we do the the QH manes and tails-they get pulled all the time. MAry Ofjord North Coast Fjords
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This message is from: Julia Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No, no, no!!! Not all at one time Just a few hairs at a time, from mane or tail. I pull the short ones at the top of the tail and alternate with scratching the dock, which they love. Mane hairs work fine also, a few at a time from the middle seems to work well. If you did all 50 at once, the horse might never speak to you again! Julie
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This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pamela I just pull them out of the mane in little bunches, till I have what looks to be 100 hairs with roots on. I don't think they all have to be from the same pull. Lori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just got my DNA test kit in the mail.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just got my DNA test kit in the mail. What I thought would be an easy job looks a little more daunting than I expected. Silly me. I thought I'd just pluck a couple hairs out of Skylark's tail, and ship them out. I had NO CLUE that I'd have to wrap my finger up in her tail, and pull 50-100 hairs out at the same time!! First, I'm not sure I have the strength to pull all that out in one yank, and I'd be mentally wanting to not pull that hard, cause it's gotta hurt! Second, if I do muster up what it takes to pull 100 hairs out of her tail in one shot, she's going to want to knock my lights out! So, for those of you more experienced with the DNA test, can you tell me what YOU do when it comes time to get some tail hair? Perplexed Pamela
