MN Expo - A Brief Report
This message is from: Patricia Pasqual tishpasq...@gmail.com What a great representation of our wonderful horses at the MN Expo this year! Our horses were groomed, well-behaved, and there was great variety for the public to enjoy (red dun, grey dun, brown dun, sporty models and drafy styles). And amazingly the weather cooperated for once - no rain, and pleasant spring temps really brought out the crowds. Kristin, June, Heike, Jessica and Rob rode English, with Kristin doing some lovely lateral work and turns on the haunches, Heike getting off her gelding to have him take a bow (a real crowd pleaser, she was applauded for that effort every time!), and June jumping. Jessica rode Heike's Angie and did a great job on a horse she had just met, and Rob showed great dressage form on his lovely gelding. We had the Lusty's driving the ever-reliable Marla, and Phil and Else with their pair of red boys hooked to a marathon vehicle, showing off some lovely bending and precision. Mary and Tess were in full buckaroo regalia, proudly representing the draftier style of our breed. When the group left the colliseum and turned down the street en masse, they really turned heads as a group. Every horse breed at the Expo is touted as the family horse, the versatile horse, the kind and well behaved; ours really are! Tish and Elph in Minneapolis Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Progress report from Cynthia
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com Cynthia, as many of us on this list can attest - recovering from a knee injury or surgery can be challenging. It sounds like you are progressing nicely and hopefully, you are taking it slowly. This is a great time to work on all of those fun things you can do without walking (like backing up by finger or voice command only!!) Sorry to hear you are released for work so soon though! Kate **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =Mayfooter51209NO115) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Progress report from Cynthia
This message is from: Cynthia Madden cynthia.mad...@gmail.com Below is today's Yahoo astrological forecast for my sign! How appropriate! Now is a great time for you to experiment with different approaches -- if only because your usual approach is a bit hampered by circumstance! You ought to be able to learn a few new tricks. I had a good visit with the surgeon this a.m. I can go back to work on Monday. I saw the 2 screws in my knee. But no more ace bandages and tomorrow I get another brace not made for a 6 Neanderthal. Thanks for all your well wishes. Everyone has been so great! P. S. Zeus and Artie are home so I have company and endless entertainment - especially from Mr. Wiggles. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM personal: cynt...@carriagehorse.com NFHR: cynt...@nfhr.com http:/www.nfhr.com http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power. Bill Clinton, DNC 8/27/08 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: The NibbleNets Report - Day 1
This message is from: Genie Dethloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] My NibbleNet will be coming any day. My plan is to feed a flake on the ground and to put the second in the Nibblenet. I think Pjo needs to devour some first then she can enjoy the challenge of the Nibble Net. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got the nibblenets delivered today, and zipped out to the barn at meal time. I board my two fjords, and they share a pasture with a nice little Morgan -- Genie Dethloff and Pjoska Killingworth, Connecticut Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
The NibbleNets Report - Day 1
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got the nibblenets delivered today, and zipped out to the barn at meal time. I board my two fjords, and they share a pasture with a nice little Morgan cross (who does not have a weight concern). As always, Della Ree was rolling her eyes back in her head and making it very clear she was STARVING TO DEATH in case anyone cared. Up went the nibble nets with their sad little two flakes of hay, and she looked at me like you have got to be kidding - give me my hays! Joe thought the concept was okay, and Sparky the Morgan got his hay on the floor of his stall. Della immediately left her nibble net and pushed Sparky out of his stall to get at the easy access hay. So Della had to be closed in until Sparky finished. The Fjords were definitely slowed a bit, but not as much as I had hoped. They are being pretty rough on the nets, so I'll be interested to see how they hold up. Both of them seem annoyed with the concept but are persevering and working the nets with a will!! Kate with Joe (who is looking a bit thin to me actually - I hate to see any hint of a rib on my Fjord) and Della (the original air fern pony) **Get movies delivered to your mailbox. One month free from blockbuster.com (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212639737x1200784900/aol?redir=https://www.blockbuster.com/signup/y/reg/p.26978/r.email_footer) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
driving report
This message is from: Teressa [EMAIL PROTECTED] My little 3 yo mare, Zoobie, has been up at the Jensens in Lumby BC for two months for her start up driving training accompanied by some light work under saddle from Jensen's riding coach, Julie Pilon. She is very forward as one would expect from her mom, my mare Nina, and her dad, Jensen's Raynor. But she came home with brakes and gaits and we will continue to slowly and lightly work for another year. When I went to pick up Zoo, I took Nina with me along with my Pacific Carriage gig and harness for some driving training for me and Nina. We had not driven since Libby last September. Brian went through all of my harness and my gig set up, made some necessary adjustments - most significantly my driving bridle where my bit was rubbing on Nina's cheekbone so he told me a couple of ways I could go about fixing that. And the piece that goes over her poll was too short and rubbing her ears. We made a temp adjustment on that too but I will need a longer piece there and am ordering it from Smuckers. Those adjustments alone were worth the haul. Then we worked her both in the arena and in the more challenging terrain outside of the arena on Jensen's property. I was very tentative to start but felt very confident with Brian watching everything. Nina was very up - normal for her, particularly away from home. She loves driving and is quite forward but her 3 months of training with Jensen's 3 years ago is holding up very well. I always feel that I have control. In any event, we worked on her gaits and worked a lot on me - my hands and posture - use of the whip (I'm not too good at actually using it effectively, so we worked on me holding it and keeping it from bugging Nina) and rules of the road when showing. Then, and Brian doesn't know this, I hitched her up for a drive at my boarding barn on Sunday - the first time since coming home from Lumby the week before. Many of the other horses there are afraid of a horse hitched to a cart. The only other rider was a friend whose young daughter (8 or so?) was riding her horse - a big Welch cob/thoroughbred x. I made sure they knew I was there and Nina and I started working in the outdoor arena while they were in the adjacent jump field. I heard a huge scream from behind me and the horse was galloping wildly across the field with the young girl screaming bloody murder - hanging on the off side of the horse. Nina and I were going in the other direction so Nina couldn't see the fiasco. Well, two bolt steps she made - I asked her to halt and stand - and she did it without any fuss. I thought I was going to cry because I was so proud of her and so grateful that she could stand with such a commotion going on and keep me safe. In any event, the horse came to a stop at a fence, the girl fell off and the horse turned and trotted away. The girl had some scrapes on her face and a dented helmet but rode in camp yesterday. It could have been so bad - we were in an outdoor arena set up with jumps and jump standards that we had been using as obstacles while we drove. If she had bolted, we surely would have had to run into one of those to get out. Her driving training was so solid and so ingrained in her that she trusted the person with the lines. Even though that person is me. Having started with horses at an advanced age and only 3 years ago, I've finally realized that the basics are not basic - they are everything. Everything flows from contact. And contact comes only with good training for me and my horse. So, I don't care that I'm pushing 60, we will take as long as it takes for me to get my position, seat, legs, hands, arms, head working with my horse and I will continue to get my touch ups from coaches such as Brian and my riding coach, Marg so I can have fun and be safe for me and those around me. See you all in Moses Lake! Teressa in Ferndale, WA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Report from Trinity CDE
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi list ! Our own Linda Taylor just left our place and competed in her first CDE in CA. From someone who cant find their way out of a paper bag, Im personally in awe of Linda and her Fjord mare, Sigrid, ( Fatty Boomba ) for even trying it. Here is her details for us about her adventure. Congrats to Linda and Boomba on a good showing and also being a great representitive for the Fjord breed ! Lisa * * Hi folks, Here's the report of Boombah and my first real bigtime ADS CDE, Trinity at Hayfork, Ca. Thursday AM: I loaded up and left Thursday at 845A and drove to Hayfork (about 2 hours west of Redding on very windy road). Didn't convoy with anyone. Too many problems there. If I want to do something, I need to just do it, which I eventually did. Took about five hours and stopped every two hours for BB to have a bit of a rest and a potty break for me. I staying in my trailer and it was very pleasant. Bart connected my new Honda EU 3000si generator in the pickup and that was great. I was quite a ways from the barn where BB had a nice shaded paddock but the walk was good for me. It was pleasant weather, not too hot. And quite cool at night. The porta potties were conveniently located and there was a nice wine and cheese gathering Th nite under a lovely Oak tree at the Schumaker's home on a hill overlooking the barn and the area where all the trailers were parked. After the wine and cheese, I was able to check out the hazzards with Pat Schumaker in a golf cart which was great. Friday AM I was Dressage early and completed Test 3 Training but not as accurately as Lisa Singer would have liked. She did, however, give me an 8 in one of the working walk and walk on long rein (thank you Lisa and Jeff for giving me the magic words for encouraging BB to walk out). Our dressage is indeed a work in progress but I am dedicating myself and BB to the journey. I was pleased that Lisa Singer gave me an 8 for Driver. So there were so positives in the dressage even if we were 6 out of 7. In the PM, I rested for a time in my trailer with the air conditioning on. Wow. The generator and AC were well worth the money. But then after the Fri nit dinner which was OK, not great, at the nearby fairgrounds, I went back to see BB again before going to bed and she was lying down. Unusual for her. Anyway, she got up and then I went down a couple of paddocks to see the Schumaker's Fjords, and when I returned, she was down again. And then she rolled around and put her nose on her tummy. People were gathering around and there was much discussion as to what to do. Valerie suspected she probably had a tummyache, a mild colicy condition and suggested Ben something, can't remember the name. Some folks said get a vet and I tried but no vet available. This is a rather isolated location. Anyway, Nona Bales and JoJo (who organized the event) took her in the barn and checked her out, stethescope and temp, and Nona gave her the Ben something paste and we just waited. When I came down to the barn around 2A, she was standing up and seemed normal. Anyway, in the morning, the vet was there for the Marathon and we had an early go and he checked her out and pronounced her fit so I heaved a big sigh of relief. (Valerie and I think she may have eaten some of the shaving they provided for the paddocks.) Howard Leal kindly gatored for me and we had been able to go to the hazzards on Friday when he and Ginny arrived so we were the blind leading the blind but were as prepared as we could be. I had heard that Trinity was very hilly and I thot that BB would not make it in the A Section of the marathon, not to mention the E Section. But surprise, she was a little trouper and the hills were not that bad and we finished Section A (4.7 K as I remember) in allowed time. Then the Vet check which she passed with flying colors. And on to Section D, 12 minutes of walking, which we completed in allowed time also. Then another vet check followed by Section E which included the hazzards. We did the whole E I managed several Driver Errors in the hazzards even tho I thot I knew where to go. We came in 3 plus minutes over and were penalized 102.8, seems like it should have been around 50 pts but I didn't question it, just signed it as it all happened so quickly. Anyway, the good news is that we actually did the WHOLE marathon and I was certain before I every left Nevada County, that we would have to retire early. Next time, BB will be conditioned and we won't be over and maybe my brain will function better and we will do the hazzards in better time. No penalities there, just wasted time. And after E, Vet check found her quite sound again. What a clever little girl. Sat nite was the Competitor's dinner at the fairgrounds and we had very good BBQ ribs. Sunday morning found us first in order of go in Cones
RE: PNFPG Spring Fling report and Fjords, Fjords Fjords!
This message is from: Debbie LeBreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello; I am hoping that I may get you to help me in regards to forwarding a message to all the people on our fjord list in the northwest. I am in Vegas right now and am returning to Canada via the Salt Lake City route and am asking for any infor on finding a harness shop that I could purchase a pulling collar for my fjord. I need a size 23 size and would be ever in your debt if you could please get this message out to the list of people in the group. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I am at a loss on how to send a message to the other on the list. Thank you very much. From: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Fjordhorse list fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: PNFPG Spring Fling report and Fjords, Fjords Fjords! Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:16:50 -0700 This message is from: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Pacific Northwest Fjord Promotional Group (PNFPG) held its 42nd biannual meeting this May 4,5 6th at the Grant County Fairgrounds, In Moses Lake, WA. Over the last two years we've combined our business meetings with various clinics, and have had a rousing success. After all, if you have to get together to do business, why not have some fun too? So we call it a Spring Fling. Out of ~143 members scattered across North America, there were 40+ attendees with 30+ horses at the event, participating in clinics such as Dressage, with Anne Appleby, Driving, with Donna Burgess and China Larabe, Trail Riding with Kathi Thompson, and Horsemanship with Gayle Ware. I personally attended Gayle Ware's clinic, and found it incredibly challenging, informative and useful. I am a better horseman and Fjord owner because of it. On the business side, the primary business conducted was a thorough overhaul of our bylaws. Surprisingly a significant number of members suffered through the whole mind-numbing and tedious affair; subsequent bylaws issues should be much smaller in scope. We have fixed the date of our 43rd biannual meeting for November 3rd; At the Best Western in Moses Lake, WA. Check out the www.pnfpg.org as details emerge. Feel free to find out what we're all about - we'd love to find out what you're about! Thanks to all who attended, and thanks to Taffy Mercer, and her crew, for all the hard work they did to make this event a success. Things are happening! The PNFGP will be having it's annual International Fjord Show at the Libby, Montana Nordicfest celebration on September 7, 8 and 9. This is a great opportunity to show off what you your Fjords can do! The International Fjord Show was the first of it's kind in the Northwest, and is run and staffed by an experienced and seasoned cadre. For those who have kids, and would like to show while they're still out of school, the PNFPG is sponsoring a NEW show August 24,25 and 26 at the Grant County Fairgrounds, Moses Lake WA. This is the first show we'll be putting on in Moses lake, and are excited with the plans. For more information, check out http://pnfpg.org/NW2007/nw07.pdf. If you are bringing along a horse widower (or widow) we'd love to put them to work, and have some fun while we're at it. As a kicker, the NFHR will be hosting an Evaluation on August 22 and 23 in Moses Lake. This is a terrific opportunity to find out just how good your Fjord is! If you're new to Fjords, attending an evaluation (even as just an observer) is a wonderful way to immerse yourself in all things Fjord. For more information on the evaluation, please check out http://www.pnfpg.org/moselakeeval.html. Want more? There IS more! On May 17th in Seattle, WA is Syttende Mai Parade (Norway's Constitution Day) . A group of Fjord horses will enter into the parade. More info at www.ballardfjordhorses.com. On June 9, and 10 there will be a CDE Clinic at Fjelldalengard in St Ignatius Montana , Hosted by Don and Heather Torgenrud. Clinicians will be Donna Burgess and China Larabe. Keep your eyes on www.pnfpg.org as details emerge. On July 14-15 there will be a non-ADS sanctioned CDE at Teddy Bear Fjords, in Meade, WA. Click here for info: http://pnfpg.org/TBF/tbf_cde_7_2007.pdf Ever seen a CDE with mostly (if not all) Fjords? Ever seen a CDE at all? This is a great opportunity to find out, in a friendly group of non-pretentious horse owners. If Participation in a CDE is daunting and intimidating, volunteers are ALWAYS needed! Warren and Sylvia Riddle will be the hosts, and we can look forward to a terrific time. What does it mean to be non-ADS sanctioned? Only that this is not an official event sponsored by the American Driving Society (http://www.americandrivingsociety.org). Otherwise, all ADS rules and procedures will be observed for this event. ALL these events require PNFPG membership for insurance and liability reasons. If you'd like to join, feel free to contact me
PNFPG Spring Fling report and Fjords, Fjords Fjords!
This message is from: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Pacific Northwest Fjord Promotional Group (PNFPG) held its 42nd biannual meeting this May 4,5 6th at the Grant County Fairgrounds, In Moses Lake, WA. Over the last two years we've combined our business meetings with various clinics, and have had a rousing success. After all, if you have to get together to do business, why not have some fun too? So we call it a Spring Fling. Out of ~143 members scattered across North America, there were 40+ attendees with 30+ horses at the event, participating in clinics such as Dressage, with Anne Appleby, Driving, with Donna Burgess and China Larabe, Trail Riding with Kathi Thompson, and Horsemanship with Gayle Ware. I personally attended Gayle Ware's clinic, and found it incredibly challenging, informative and useful. I am a better horseman and Fjord owner because of it. On the business side, the primary business conducted was a thorough overhaul of our bylaws. Surprisingly a significant number of members suffered through the whole mind-numbing and tedious affair; subsequent bylaws issues should be much smaller in scope. We have fixed the date of our 43rd biannual meeting for November 3rd; At the Best Western in Moses Lake, WA. Check out the www.pnfpg.org as details emerge. Feel free to find out what we're all about - we'd love to find out what you're about! Thanks to all who attended, and thanks to Taffy Mercer, and her crew, for all the hard work they did to make this event a success. Things are happening! The PNFGP will be having it's annual International Fjord Show at the Libby, Montana Nordicfest celebration on September 7, 8 and 9. This is a great opportunity to show off what you your Fjords can do! The International Fjord Show was the first of it's kind in the Northwest, and is run and staffed by an experienced and seasoned cadre. For those who have kids, and would like to show while they're still out of school, the PNFPG is sponsoring a NEW show August 24,25 and 26 at the Grant County Fairgrounds, Moses Lake WA. This is the first show we'll be putting on in Moses lake, and are excited with the plans. For more information, check out http://pnfpg.org/NW2007/nw07.pdf. If you are bringing along a horse widower (or widow) we'd love to put them to work, and have some fun while we're at it. As a kicker, the NFHR will be hosting an Evaluation on August 22 and 23 in Moses Lake. This is a terrific opportunity to find out just how good your Fjord is! If you're new to Fjords, attending an evaluation (even as just an observer) is a wonderful way to immerse yourself in all things Fjord. For more information on the evaluation, please check out http://www.pnfpg.org/moselakeeval.html. Want more? There IS more! On May 17th in Seattle, WA is Syttende Mai Parade (Norway's Constitution Day) . A group of Fjord horses will enter into the parade. More info at www.ballardfjordhorses.com. On June 9, and 10 there will be a CDE Clinic at Fjelldalengard in St Ignatius Montana , Hosted by Don and Heather Torgenrud. Clinicians will be Donna Burgess and China Larabe. Keep your eyes on www.pnfpg.org as details emerge. On July 14-15 there will be a non-ADS sanctioned CDE at Teddy Bear Fjords, in Meade, WA. Click here for info: http://pnfpg.org/TBF/tbf_cde_7_2007.pdf Ever seen a CDE with mostly (if not all) Fjords? Ever seen a CDE at all? This is a great opportunity to find out, in a friendly group of non-pretentious horse owners. If Participation in a CDE is daunting and intimidating, volunteers are ALWAYS needed! Warren and Sylvia Riddle will be the hosts, and we can look forward to a terrific time. What does it mean to be non-ADS sanctioned? Only that this is not an official event sponsored by the American Driving Society (http://www.americandrivingsociety.org). Otherwise, all ADS rules and procedures will be observed for this event. ALL these events require PNFPG membership for insurance and liability reasons. If you'd like to join, feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]; membership is dirt cheap at $20 compared to the benefits you get. Of course, you can also go to www.pnfpg.org and follow the procedures there. If you are in the U.S or Canada Pacific Northwest (we use a VERY broad definition), we would love to hear from you! Our roster of members include clinicians with extensive domain knowledge and experiences, as well as plenty of us folk who simply enjoy our horses and have picked up a thing or two along the way. There is something for everyone! Cheers and Regards, Karl Froelich Chairman, PNFPG Snohomish, WA USA The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Eval Report-Vestlandshest USA
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to take this opportunity also, to thank Phillip Odden and Sophie Fiedler and the others who helped make this evaluation and Fjord Show go as good as it did. It was a pleasure to meet people face to face who I otherwise have only known through this List and e-mails back and forth. It was great meeting all of you and again thank you all so very, very much for all your hard work and support. I also want to thank Hank and Bitten Nors who put so much work into this, as well as the rest of the members there. The horses did really good and it was very intersting to see the different types of Fjords all in one place. It was very interesting to be able to see Dagrun Aarsten's Fjord, Quinn, who is now owned by Jenny Barnes and shown to perfection by her. That was certainly a good match and Jenny really has done a great job with that horse, and she certainly used the tools that Dagrun put into that horse. He is a beautiful horse and a great show horse. How fun to see him in person after reading so much about him when Dagrun first got him. A big congratulations to Dagrun, Jenny and Quinn. (He has a different name now, but I have forgotten what it was.) Again, Phillip and Sophie, - it was great meeting you. Sincerely, Rondi Tyler. So. California.
Eval Report
This message is from: Norsk Wood Works [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Phillip Odden Having just returned from Sunny California I feel compelled to share some insights from the Fallbrook evaluation that was held last Friday and Saturday. The event was sponsored by the Vestlandshest USA Fjord Horse Club, a relatively new club, with an especially enthusiastic group of members. Since this was their first evaluation many of the folks were not sure what was expected of them and their horses. Certainly many of them looked up the guidelines for an evaluation and the expectations of the animals under the documents section of the NFHR website. But until one has experienced an evaluation many questions can arise. So on the evening before the conformation tests were given there was a mini clinic given by Niels Mortensen together with his son and daughter who are from Denmark. Niels instructed the group on ways to present the horse and in proper ways to walk and trot the horse for the judges. Some of the protocol for Danish evaluations is a bit different than with NFHR evaluations so I helped clarify what our evaluators would be looking for. Niels is a very highly respected evaluator from Denmark for Norwegian Fjord Horses and it was great that he was on hand to witness a NFHR evaluation. However Niels did not score horses in the ring at Fallbrook. Karen Cabic and Karen Maas were the official NFHR evaluators at Fallbrook. We made certain the exhibitors understood that it was important the horses were set up correctly for the judges. I reminded them that their horses should look bright and not fall asleep in the ring. When asked to walk the horse should walk with an energetic stride with good reach in the front, an overstep of the back foot landing in front of the front hoof print, and with good engagement of the hind quarters and top line. Much the same is important in the trot, good reach with the front legs, engagement in the rear and use of the entire body to achieve an athletic trot. Not easy to describe but still 'easier said than done'. Most important I assured them that the evaluators would be judging their animal against a breed standard and not one horse against the next. We wanted their horses to receive the highest mark that the animal deserved, but it is up to the exhibitor to show the animal to the best of its ability. The judge can't evaluate potential, only what they see of the horse on that day during that test. I believe there were 24 horses evaluated by Karen Cabic and Karen Maas. Often I heard the evaluators congratulation the exhibitors on a good presentation. After each class the evaluators gave oral comments on the animals presented and handed the exhibitor a copy of written scores and comments along with a ribbon. Many of those attending the evaluation praised the evaluators on the educational aspects of the program. The quality of the fjords at Fallbrook was overall quite high which was reflected in the scores. Fjord owners in Southern California should be pleased that they have a good core group of breeding animals. Of course there were some horses that did not do as well as one would have liked to see. The owners of these horses could better understand what improvements they might look for in choosing a mate for their horse and what they might do to improve their horses score. They also learned what to look for when shopping for quality in a performance horse, breeding stock, or a well conformed companion horse. Our NFHR President Neil Sorum and his wife Ruth along with Sophie Fiedler from the evaluation committee traveled to Fallbrook to volunteer their services in measuring horses, handling paper work and setting up the arena. They, together with the show sponsors, deserve a big thank you for extra effort in helping to make the Fallbrook evaluation a wonderful success. Respectfully submitted. Phillip Odden Technical Delegate for Fallbrook evaluation.
Olivia Farm Libby/Fall Report
This message is from: Olivia Farm, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, if it isn't fall where you are, it is in Libby and the Pacific Northwest. The show this year was small and soggy, and slightly stressful for us - but we pulled through and had a good time in the end. We almost didn't go due to the various problems you all know about, and one very over-due mare. Bininka was due the first of September - but she was so huge that we thought for sure she would come early. We ended up hauling her to Enge's for Kleve to baby-sit (Thanks again, Kleve!), and then hauling her home again (still no baby), the Monday after the show. The trip over was fairly un-eventful except finding out our new house was broken into and our microwave and a few tools were stolen. We also discovered that some of our horses will not drink the water at the new place. Got to Libby and showed all day Friday. Our yearlings made it through their halter and ground driving classes with mostly flying colors. After showing was over our first place yearling filly went down - flat out - with (discovered later) sand-colic. I want to give a huge THANK YOU to everyone who helped take care of Tessa! Everyone was very helpful except the vet that was supposed to be on call. So, we hauled to Kalispell, where our filly spent the rest of the show. The rest of the show was a rainy blur - but we had a good pot-luck dinner and a lovely church service on Sunday (Thanks, Peggy for sharing!). Dan picked up Tess and we hauled to Ford and then back to Arlington the next day. Oh, it always so good to be home. Bininka finally foaled on the 16th - at 4 o'clock in the afternoon!. She had a big, strong colt that managed his way on the wrong side of the fence before we found him. They both received their good bill of health from the vet today. We are still in the process of moving. Hopefully we will get the horses over by the end of this month. Thanks again to all our helpers on both sides of the mountains! Solveig Watanabe Olivia Farm www.oliviafarm.com
Horse Progress Days report
This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] We were at the Horse Progress Days on Friday and Saturday. There were field demonstrations of modern horse drawn equipment all day, both days. Horses used for the demonstrations included Belgian, Brabant, Percheron, American Cream, Haflinger, Morgan, Suffolk, Shire, Clydesdale, Spotted Draft, Mules and Norwegian Fjords. There was even an oxen doing demos. Horses and mules hitched to wagons took people to and from the fields. Mini horses and donkeys hitched to mini wagons, loaded with ice cold drinks, where seen throughout the day. Rich Hotovy (Michigan) and Mike Sadlon (Indiana) each had 2 Fjord gelding there that they used in the field demos. Walter Bittenbender (Pennsylvania) gave wagon rides with 2 Fjord mares. I was on trash detail. Going around emptying trashcans with a pair of Fjords and a wagon. It was an excellent opportunity to show the gentle disposition of the Fjord, driving through crowds of people all day long. Someone thought it was a shame, using such beautiful horses for trash detail. I said Would you rather see an ugly pair of horses coming around every half hour? Things went well till I got there Saturday morning and discovered someone else's horse had kicked my mare in the stifle during the night. It wasn't real serious, but I wasn't going to use her like that. Mike Sadlon was kind enough to let me use one of his geldings. So I continued my duties with Mike's gelding hitched with my gelding. A few people commented on how well my team matched and were surprised when I told them they were never hitched together before. We meet other Fjord owners and they were all as friendly as Fjords themselves. I even talked with a gentleman from Denmark. He said We have lots of Fjords in Denmark. Joe Glick Glick Family Farm Gordonville, PA [EMAIL PROTECTED] A Fjord will take you anywhere!
Re: CA stress?/rope halters/weather report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/9/2005 1:38:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I too have RFD and have seen Clinton, Monty,Chris, John, Dennis et al. and yes, I do see horses that CA works with that do seem pretty stressed, or if not stressed, almost forced/mechanical in their actions, afraid to make a wrong move, as personally, I feel he drills too long; maybe he repeats repeats so his viewing audience can absorb it. *** That's what I think, Karen. These clinicians have to produce miraculous, consistent results on camera or in front of an audience. They also have to make sure the cues and responses are visible to your average clinic-observer. At first I hated CA, thought he was rough and pointless. The more I watched his programs, however, the more I picked up useful ideas. The nice thing about watching clinicians is that you can put your own spin on the exercises, take your time and do them in a way which is less stressful. Also, with positive reinforcement, you need wy less repetition. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA _www.Brigid.Clickryder.com_ (http://www.brigid.clickryder.com/)
Re: CA stress?/rope halters/weather report
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too have RFD and have seen Clinton, Monty,Chris, John, Dennis et al. and yes, I do see horses that CA works with that do seem pretty stressed, or if not stressed, almost forced/mechanical in their actions, afraid to make a wrong move, as personally, I feel he drills too long; maybe he repeats repeats so his viewing audience can absorb it. He's just not my favorite guy to watch - a bitt oo hyper Yes, each has many good things to offer, and thats why I keep watching. However, the important thing to remember, the number one rule, no matter who's system(s) you are using, is that you have to be fair in your timing for punishment/reward, and consistant w/ demands. Re. rope halters. Why would you not use them for trailering? I use them almost exclusively, with no ill effects (that I am aware of). I can see why not to use them x-tying, as there are no rings to clip on to. And, one thing about x-tying, I have been in barns where folks do this, and many of the horses that are tied this way do NOT know how to stand tied! My S.O. Dave the Shoer-Guy works at some pretty high falutin' HJ/dressage barns, and he uses his own rope halter on his shoeing horses, and does not use x-ties, even if they are there in the shoers area. He should know, he spends 1/2 his day underneath horses for a living. Btw, we found some really nice rope halters made by a fellow up in eastern Idaho; he was exhibiting in the trade show section of the Winnemucca Ranch Rodeo last April. They are nice and stout, but have a very soft feel, not stiff hard. But the neat thing is by using an old fashioned cast slip thru fastener (like on the old cheap cotton shipping halters) he takes all of the guess-work out of handtying them, which in winter is a hassle w/ gloved hands, and can lead to some escapes if folks don't tie correctly. They are still able to adjust over the poll, but it just has an easier way of fastening. He also does some beautiful bridlework w/ gorgeous lined leather stiching, as he was trained in making NICE driving harness up in Canada and is quite reasonable. I can look up his name number if anyone is interested. We are experiencing one heck of a storm here in the basin below the sierras, land of the 'rain shadow', HA! We are at Day 3, and expect 2 more days according to the weather guru's. So far in this 'Pineapple Experss' storm we had 12 inches of snow dump onto an allready exisitng 8from the previous storm last weekend. Dave has been quite busy on the backhoe getting folks out of thier snowed in driveways. I couldn't get into work last Fri. due to the highway btwn reno Carson being shut down twice before 8 am. A very warm storm with mostly snow that turns to rain. We are worried about flooding. In '97 the Carson River that is about 1/4 mi to the E of us rose up covered 1/2 of the ranch for 5 days. Talk about horses acting wierd! My stallion Sven his mare-for-life, Jorunn, refused to get into their paddock in the dark, so I turned them out in their 5 acre pasture. Well, by morining, their paddock was under a foot a 1/2 of water with seagulls and ducks bobbing along ! They instictively knew, as neither of them had ever been in this kind of situation before. Listen to you horse! Looks like a bit of a break so i am gonna climb on someones back go check out the snowy landscape see how the river is 'doin. Cheers, Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees
Re: Loki report Viking find
This message is from: sandra church [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi-from water logged VA with more rain coming. Hopefully our fjord/equine friends down south are finding higher ground. Two weeks ago the remnants of Gaston stalled over Richmond did major damage. Richmond's mounted police horses had to be rescued from their barn. They were found in chest high water! Last week at least 8 tornados touched down in the Richmond area...never a dull minute.We did have a beautiful weekend for a change and our local riding club had a Fun Day at a gorgeous farm nearby. It started with a parade of breeds Loki won the most unusual breed award (there were paso finos there a Missouri Foxtrotter). Next was a trail ride Loki decided to jump 2 creeks...he's always walked through creeks before. I've got to explain to Loki that I don't jump...didn't as a younger rider definitely don't now! After lunch we tried a trail obstacle course Loki did it all. He did stop at the car wash curtain take a look walked on through it. Other horses freaked at the curtain, the pool noodles, the bag of cans, the mail box...things that Loki ignored! I love this fjord even if he does jump creeks!The Richmond paper reported on a Viking burial site that was found in England. Spurs a bridle were found along with the 6 Viking graves...believed to date to the 10th century. I hope more information will be available on this find...fjords could've been there, right?Enjoy your fjords as a cooler ( hopefully, drier) fall approaches! Sandra Loki in VA FREE!
Horsey Praise Report
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A (MED) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well about a year ago I mentioned foals with contracted tendons/ knuckled over, etc.. problem we had with one of our mares. Several ideas came in as a few others had seen or had foals with the same issue. I saw the exact same condition on the web site for Nova Scotia's Farm, if anybody is wondering what it looks like. Anyhow, mare over weight and poor nutrition were a couple. These were the two we worked on. This mare had 3 foals that were fine, then the last 3 all had contracted tendons. S, I asked the group. My wife and I decided to give mare supplement we got at farm and fleet, comes with a small scoop, about 2 teaspoons per scoop. We would give 1 scoop of that per day in about a 1 cup of John Lyons Mare Feed, with about a quarter cup sweet 12 feed. So just under 1 1/2 cup feed per day. We fed about 1/8 bale grass hay morning, 1/8 bale same at night. Horses looked good and fit thru the winter. Today she had a healthy boy, no contracted tendons, running around, nursing, kicking up the heals. On a sad note,, we are moving to Montana and about a month ago we decided to take the 2 bred mares out to Montana before the foals were born so that they wouldn't have to endure the trip when we move,,, so, my wife's mom is the midwife/ step mom and we haven't seen the foal yet.. Well sad we haven't seen the foal, not sad were moving to Montana. My wife says the foal is healthy because it was born in Montana I guess whatever the reason,, Grandma is happy too, she has been into sheep and beef cattle for over 50 years, this is the first pony/horsey foal she has experienced. We told her what to do for imprinting, initial halter training etc, now she's all worried she won't do things right. She'll do good. Mark
Re: A progress report on Tank
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cynthia, is this the new Cool training tool they have vbreen discussing on the CD-L? Can lyou give us more details? Is it just sliding side reins made out of bungee, or does it have hte breeching connection ? Jean in sunny Fairbanks, Alaska, 25 degrees F This message is from: Cynthia Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you may remember, Jeff Morse did a clinic for our club last month. He recommended using his version of sliding side reins made with bungy cord on Tank for a few sessions and I have to say that the results are slightly short of miraculous. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A progress report on Tank
This message is from: Cynthia Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] As you may remember, Jeff Morse did a clinic for our club last month. He recommended using his version of sliding side reins made with bungy cord on Tank for a few sessions and I have to say that the results are slightly short of miraculous. It is also probably due to our improved communications via Jeff. But Tank looks like a different horse going down the road. He is really beginning to understand self carriage and moving forward. My friends are amazed at how different he looks and acts. It such a pleasure to see the Tank I knew was there come out. I have occassionaly used sliding side reins in the past but really like Jeff's use of bungy cord which makes them so flexible. I like the way the horse adjusts himself and learns on his own when using them. Jeff's sliding reins work so much better than just clothes line type that Heike Bean suggests and that I used before. They can be used fairly long. Just the fact they are there seems to give him some idea of what he needs to do to balance himself. That and some good encouragement forward. The timing is good and we need to work hard the next month. We have been invited to do a demo at an Arab show in May. We want to really show off. = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com
ND Fjord report
This message is from: Janne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, WOW, what a great day we had yesterday at the ND Marketplace of ideas expo. 280 booths, 1000's of people, lots of noise anaction and one animal, Ingrid I - the wonder fjord. She took it all in typical Fjord stride, most other breeds would have had to be peeled off the rafters. 11 hours in a 12 x 12 panels with 100's of people petting you, she did great!! And I had an Erlend video going all day. I did not have one minute to even sit down, the steady stream of people asking q's etc. Fun fun fun. To be cont. in the next Herald if I can get it in on time. Janne, very pleased with one of our fjords. PS. Her weanling is for sale
Re: Crazy Stallion and praise report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/8/2002 9:21:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the little guy that was a lost case with his contracted tendons and bad sores and his hoof's that were about to fall off. Well the prayer did the trick. The vet can't believe it. No surgery, his wounds healed and are growing hair and his hoof's are fine. He is walking upright and running fine. He is now with another mare and foal and also with a 4 year gelding. He is pestering the gelding to death, and of course chews on mom's tail, as most little boys do. Glad to have him better. I am ecstatic for you and the little guy! You've got my admiration for going the extra mile for this boy and giving him a good, solid chance! Congratulations. :) Pamela
Crazy Stallion and praise report
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A (MED) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today my wife looked out and our stallion LEO was scratching/rubbing his entire underside, neck, shoulders on a very large bull thistle. Had a trunk on it the size of a baseball bat. He finally broke it off at about 3.5 feet and was also rubbing his underside with it. This was one of those large thistles that looks as full as some Christmas trees. Large spines about a inch long didn't seem to phase him. He is one of those stallions that you can love to death, scratch behind his jaw and he leans into you almost till he falls over. On the little guy that was a lost case with his contracted tendons and bad sores and his hoof's that were about to fall off. Well the prayer did the trick. The vet can't believe it. No surgery, his wounds healed and are growing hair and his hoof's are fine. He is walking upright and running fine. He is now with another mare and foal and also with a 4 year gelding. He is pestering the gelding to death, and of course chews on mom's tail, as most little boys do. Glad to have him better. We decided after $450 in 3 vet visits to go it on our own. We wrapped every day for a couple weeks, then went to every other day, then as the sores healed we chopped the splint's off a couple inches and gradually got him so he was bearing his own weight, then finally took the splints off. He rolled over slightly when he would try to make a dodge and take off running fast, but other wise he walked fine. Seems like he had to think about what he was doing with his feet. Now he is running around fine and acting like a normal little colt. Just in time too. It was getting difficult to wrangle him down on his side and have him lay still long enough to rebandage him. It was a whole family experience. The vet's have that little injection that helps out, when you don't put them to sleep it makes it a wee bit more difficult, sometimes your spouse can't read your thoughts either, so they don't know exactly what your trying to communicate about tying legs off and stuff when your in the middle of flying legs and hoof's. Big difference with the filly. Forgot what filly's were like as it is our first after 6 colts. One thing is, I think we have a fine colt through this experience. He is surly imprinted good. Thanks for the Prayers and Advice. Mark and Sandra Skeels
Re: The Romulus Report ..and training stallions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 6/18/2002 11:06:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Consider this stallion handling in a nutshell. There are so many vairables depending upon the horse, the skills of the handler, the environment and history, that one couldn't possibly cover it all in one volume of a sizeable book. ~whew~ And some very good reasons why I won't ever own a stallion (though I HAVE been tempted once or twice). Horses are enough responsibility, and a stallion is just so much more. I don't think I could enjoy the stallion as much as some do, and I am positive I do not want to expend the kind of vigilance and energy a stallion demands. Mares are quite more my cup of tea, thankyouverymuch! Some of my friends have stallions that DO act sweet 24/7. But they still remember that these are stallions and do not stand for one moment of bad behaviour.I commend all of you wonderful, responsible stallion owners. You've got that extra something, to deal with these guys. :) Pamela
Re: The Romulus Report ..and training stallions
This message is from: Starfire Farm, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sara, First, just what are your goals with your stallion? Do you plan to take him out into public (i.e. shows, evaluation, etc?) Or do you wish to be able to handle him safely and without hassle at home? You have to assess where your stallion's social skills are at home, work on it there, then take it further. Second, what early training did your stallion have? Does he have work experience and a work ethic well established? If not, I would start there, at home. A stallion which has already bred mares but has not established a work ethic can be a real challenge. He needs to know the difference between when he is taken out for work and when he is taken out for breeding. We have a specific routine for breeding here. The stallion wears a breeding halter (which he wears during breeding and at no other time) and the mare is presented to him through one gate, and one gate only. The routine is NEVER changed. When he is turned out to pasture, he can act like a stallion. When the mare is presented in the breeding routine, he can act like a stallion. Otherwise, work is work and he is required to behave appropriately. If the stallion starts to act inappropriately studdy he goes to work (whatever that means at that time - groundwork - riding - driving.) Depending upon the energy level of the horse, and the time of year, sometimes it might mean a lot of wet saddle blankets. This, of course, is done recognizing that stallions are hormonally and genetically programed to act like stallions. No matter what amount of training you do, if you decide to take your stallion into public you have to understand that you are taking a risk. Everyone and everyone else's horse becomes your responsibility. You can't expect everyone to recognize that you are handling a stallion and that they will behave appropriately around your horse. I once had a 10 year old girl stick her in raging heat mare's tail right under my stallion's nose in a western pleasure class. The stallion never looked at the mare, but I was aware that it was going to happen and made sure I had his complete attention. Was it the little girl's fault? No! She was focused on doing her best in a competition and shouldn't be expected to recognize that she was riding in a class with a stallion. In a different western pleasure class, a mare being ridden by a friend of mine was mounted by a stallion being ridden by someone else. She was struck in the back by the stallion's hoof and suffered a serious back injury. Was that the stallion rider's fault? Absolutely. Things can happen, and if you are not paying attention, they'll happen before you know it's actually happening. That rider either wasn't paying attention to his horse, or didn't have the skill to recognize that that stallion was planning to go for that mare. That combination of horse and rider should never have been in the show ring. Putting some type of odor making substance, like Vicks, can be beneficial, once you have established some appropriate manners and a work ethic, however, stallions will also excite through visionary stimulii, so you can't rely on Vicks alone. Most stallion owners, with successful performance stallions, will tell you that it has taken them a LOT of work to ensure that their stallions behave well in public. And, it continues to be work on a daily basis. These people NEVER forget that they are handling a stallion and NEVER take their attention off of their horse. Depending upon the stallion's libido, it can be more difficult during breeding season and easier in the fall/winter months. What Gail said (thank you for your kind words Gail) is all true about Romulus, however, he is no puppy dog. Handling him requires constant vigilance. That doesn't mean that I'm picking on him all of the time, however, I am constantly watching to see that his attention is on me and never 100% on something else (something like other horses.) When he is fresh, I am constantly redirecting his attention back to me, whether it be through groundwork or riding. When he is not so fresh, I can relax, somewhat, but I'm more aware of my surroundings than he is, so I can be ahead of any possible wrecks before they happen. Though it came later in his life, the basis of Rom's success is in the work ethic that was established by Brian and myself. Gail deserves a LOT of credit for being willing to put the time and finances into this horse to help him have a better life. Someone else might have given up on him long ago. Consider this stallion handling in a nutshell. There are so many vairables depending upon the horse, the skills of the handler, the environment and history, that one couldn't possibly cover it all in one volume of a sizeable book. My two cent's worth. Beth -- Beth Beymer Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO http://www.starfirefarm.com
Re: The Romulus Report ..
This message is from: Lynne Larry Boe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Put vicks in his nose and you'll find him a lot better. - Original Message - From: Sara Faull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: The Romulus Report .. This message is from: Sara Faull [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very impressive... especially the trailering part. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on how to de-sensitize a stallion to mares- so he can work and be social without thinking about breeding whenever he sees another horse? Our stallion is wonderful and gentle but has lived his whole breeding life (13 years) only seeing mares when he breeds them... Right now he is manageable but very strong... Sara Faull Mandala Farm, Gouldsboro, Maine We are also waiting for the rain to stop so we can cut some hay.
The Romulus Report ..
This message is from: Sara Faull [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very impressive... especially the trailering part. Does anyone out there have any suggestions on how to de-sensitize a stallion to mares- so he can work and be social without thinking about breeding whenever he sees another horse? Our stallion is wonderful and gentle but has lived his whole breeding life (13 years) only seeing mares when he breeds them... Right now he is manageable but very strong... Sara Faull Mandala Farm, Gouldsboro, Maine We are also waiting for the rain to stop so we can cut some hay.
Re: Belated Brag Report and FEI-Pony Invitation
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori, congratulations for your work and Prisco's. Especially want to congratulate you on not accepting an offer that you did not feel your horse and self were ready for. Some might have tried just for the glory of it. Do you know about Anne Appleby and Wez her Prix St Geo fjord horse? I can not speak for Anne but she could represent the ability of the fjord in upper dressage if the people were still interested. Just a thought. Keep up the good work and how I envy you. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Belated Brag Report and FEI-Pony Invitation
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I just wanted to share with the list our latest dressage show report, well actually the show was two weeks ago, in Palgrave Ontario. The Palgrave facility is very impressive, with 5 competition rings each with their own attached warmup area, separate lungeing areas, permanent stabling for 400 horses, and a beautiful pavillion overlooking the grounds with a view of all 5 rings. It was a 3 day show plus we always go the day before to set up and school on the grounds, so 4 days away. This was another National show with all the big names and International judges, and the biggest show we've been to so far. 202 horses were there - 13 of them were not Warmbloods. One Fjord (mine :) Prisco did great in his tests, and got a lot of positive attention, including from a senior judge who called us forward after our final salute to ask about what breed he was, his height, etc etc. She thought he was wonderful. We ended up with Reserve Champion in our Basic 2 division, only 1.1% behind the Grand Champion! In the Basic 2 tests our scores were 65.7%, 64.4% and 65.0%. I'm so grateful to my coach Ute Busse who is really the best and we couldn't do it without her. We were having some difficulties before the show, he was getting so he didn't want to pull forward into the bridle and would throw up his hind end quite energetically when I insisted. He was starting to back me off and it was not looking good. Ute had to get on him on the Thursday at the show ground and they had some serious discussions, resulting in him being back to his sweet old self the next day - and from then on - and of course the show results speak for themselves. Apparently I had let him over time get behind the leg so it was my fault, as it always is with horses. I guess you have to screw up your horse to learn yourself. Sure helps to have that expert someone there to fix your mistakes before they become habits. Now, the exciting thing is the other day I got a call from a high-up muckity-muck in Dressage Canada. Apparently Prisco has attracted some attention at the upper levels and they want us to consider showing him at the FEI Pony CDI in Blainville at the Coupes des Ameriques in July. This is the biggest event ever staged in Canada and is an FEI-level Invitational event consisting of horses from US, Canada and Latin America countries. Wow! Apparently (former US Olympian) Lendon Gray will be there with 3 or 4 ponies. The thing is that in the FEI-Pony division it is a Junior rider (16 or under). Not a problem as they had identified a junior on the Canadian Junior team who could ride him and asked me to bring Prisco to the Albrecht Heidemann clinic (German trainer who comes over to coach our Juniors) next week to see if I approve of her. My first reaction was to be flattered, of course, and I would love to have him represent our country, and the breed. But after reviewing the requirements of the test, Ute and I have decided that he is not ready for it this year. The test doesn't include anything he doesn't know, per se, but since I am not riding at that level and I ride him four days a week, it is stuff that he seldom practices. The requirements that we figured we'd be OK on include half pirouettes in walk, half-passes in trot, medium and extended trots (good enough :-), trot shoulder-in, 8 m voltes in trot, etc. The canter work however includes a number of difficult requirements that we decided are too much at this point in his training: an entry in collected canter with transition directly into halt from canter, a 6 loop canter serpentine with 4 loops in true canter and 2 in counter canter with a simple change at X (canter-walk-canter), also simple change from counter canter to true canter, 20 m counter canter circles, medium canter, 8 m voltes in collected canter - some pretty challenging stuff. So while he could probably 'fake it' and get through the test I've decided that the logical progression of his training is more important and I've told them that we will wait until next year or the one after. I'm going to keep going with his training and he can only get better. And I'd like him to stand a good chance of winning - or at least scoring really well - if he goes. The woman did apologize for being so vulgar and forward as to ask me to give up my pony who is obviously the love of my life, but she said we have so few quality ponies in Canada and he is just super (shameless flattery but also true :-). Lori
The Romulus Report ..
This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great to hear of such a turnaround and that Romulus may turn out to be a sterling example of the breed, despite his faulty start in life. Having found good trainers and being prepared to invest in a better quality of life for your horse and everyone with whom he comes in contact is something you should be congratulated on Gail, good for you. And good for Brian, Beth, etc. re the blank messages . . Ive had a few too, indicating they are from the List, and it is definitely disturbing.
Re: Report from the AZ CDE
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cynthia, I really like your attitude and no nonsense approach. I did not hear any whining about being abused by a judge, or another competitor. Or disliked by a judge, etc. Sounds like you are learning as you go and looking forward to progress from lessons learned!! Tank is too. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Report from the AZ CDE
This message is from: Cynthia Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tank and I arrived in Coolidge for the AZ CDE on Thursday for our first CDE in three years. Because I competed in the single pony prelim limit division (they do not offer training level), I found out I was first in order for the dressage on Friday. I frantically finished cleaning up my cart. Luckily I had my harness all done before I left. On Friday morning, Tank and I did our test. No major errors but he kept shying at the tents and fence. We did as well as expected and among the three in our division we ended up first in dressage. My navigator, Mickey, showed up Friday afternoon and I was so glad. I was pretty panic stricken after walking the hazards! Since Arizona has advanced competition they were pretty tough. Mickey is an experienced navigator and we went over them and I felt more confident. However, during the course walk, I learned that unlike the KC CDE (my only other competition), limit is for competitors new to prelim, not just doing section E, which meant that Tank was going to have to do the whole thing. Again, panic attack and nightmares all night because I was worried about overfacing him. We went early on Sat. morning while it was nice and cool and Tank was really feeling good. We did Section A with only 2 minutes overtime thanks to Albert the welsh pony who passed us, and Tank did not want to be left behind. We completed Secion C, walk, with two minutes to spare. He came into vet check with a great pulse and respiration. I want to thank Vivian Creigh for providing me with a conditioning program that helped me get Tank in such great shape. He really came through the first part well and was ready after his rest break to do the next part. In Section E we got a little lost in the 2nd obstacle but thought we came through it OK and we got through the water hazard with some hesitation but the guy did it. Obstacle 5 was wrapped in waving American flags and with some hesitation Tank finally went through it. Brave boy! We had serious overtime in section E but made it through and that was our goal. I was very proud of my Tank! When we were scored we found that we had eliminated in #2 and while my navigator was very dissapointed, I was just happy that we had made it through. Sunday, we had cones. Tank shied at the letters and we had some penalties but we still came in 2nd in our division. When we picked up our score sheets, we discovered,after checking with the TD, that we had NOT eliminated in #2. It was a scoring error, but since we had had trouble in that obstacle we hadn't checked the score sheet so it stood as a score but didn't change our 2nd place standing anyway. Lesson learned! At least Mickey felt better that we had not done the obstacle wrong. The really good news is that Open Prelim Pony was won by a Fjord! Alexander Gibson, 15, and Sunflower of Orange County, CA, beat out about 10 other tough competitors to win that division. They were beautiful to watch. Gave Tank and I a model to emulate. We learned a lot at Coolidge and will be even better prepared when we go to the Old Pueblo in Tucson in November. We had a lot of fun which was the main objective. = Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No Report / No
This message is from: Susan Giargiari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cabic reported that the nomination period has officially ended. There were 3 people nominated for the 4 open positions. Alan Merrill, Catherine Lassesen and Becky Vorpagel. Roger moved that the Board to declare a No Election for the open seats, as per the NFHR Bylaws, Article XI, Section B. He further moved to approve the following nominated persons as elected to the Board of Directors for 3-year terms starting 1/2002. [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of CPQStart.exe]
re: descendants report
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:02 AM 1/24/2002 +, you wrote: This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not just show the Conformation SCORE? Well we are talking about putting this after the horses name registration number on the registration certificates. I am not sure just a 78.5 would be real informative. Maybe I am wrong what does everyone else think? And at some point, maybe we can insert the complete scores of a horse that has been evaluated? This way we know where the judges see this horses strengths (and weaknesses.) Maybe on the web site but not on the Registration Certificate for sure. There just isn't room there. Maybe the height cannon meas. would be a nice idea too. ...But I guess thats asking for allot ;~)) Again no room on the Certificate. The web site maybe. Does the cannon bone measurement really matter all that much? From all of them that I have seen I think they would all fit in between 7 - 9 inches circumference. With only a very few on the 7 9 of course. Most would fall in the 7.5 - 8.5 range. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: descendants report
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:00 PM 1/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: briar hill farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are listed. The horses with medallions awarded are shown. To see an example look at VALEA'S LEE Medallions are shown, but not blue, red or yellow for conformation? That is correct. That is the way it was setup by the Evaluation Committee. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: descendants report
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Follows From: briar hill farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are listed. The horses with medallions awarded are shown. To see an example look at VALEA'S LEE Medallions are shown, but not blue, red or yellow for conformation? Marcy Why not just show the Conformation SCORE? And at some point, maybe we can insert the complete scores of a horse that has been evaluated? This way we know where the judges see this horses strengths (and weaknesses.) Maybe the height cannon meas. would be a nice idea too. ...But I guess thats asking for allot ;~)) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
re: descendants report
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message Follows From: briar hill farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are listed. The horses with medallions awarded are shown. To see an example look at VALEA'S LEE Medallions are shown, but not blue, red or yellow for conformation? Marcy Why not just show the Conformation SCORE? And at some point, maybe we can insert the complete scores of a horse that has been evaluated? This way we know where the judges see this horses strengths (and weaknesses.) Maybe the height cannon meas. would be a nice idea too. ...But I guess thats asking for allot ;~)) Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
re: descendants report
This message is from: briar hill farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are listed. The horses with medallions awarded are shown. To see an example look at VALEA'S LEE Medallions are shown, but not blue, red or yellow for conformation? Marcy
Re: descendants report
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:22 AM 1/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: briar hill farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Question: for you and Mike. Why does the pedigree site and NFHR papers list premiums from other countries, but do not record premiums from US Evaluations on the pedigree? They are listed. The horses with medallions awarded are shown. To see an example look at VALEA'S LEE http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=753 I have not gotten to entering the ones that were awarded in 2002 yet. All previous medallions should be there though. I know its not true, but it looks as if we take Norwegian, Dutch, German and Danish results more seriously and give them more importance than our own. Marcy Briar Hill Farm http://briarhillfarm.com === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Descendants Report on NFHR Pedigree Site
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:54 AM 1/20/2002 -0900, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you included any horses registered in the CFHA but not in the NFHR? for instance, Leidjo would have many more descendants listed if all the CFHA descendants were listed as well as those that are NFHR . Would this take a lot of work, considering the the CLRC site has this information? http://www.clrc.on.ca/cgi-bin/query.cgi?_association=90 There are some in there Jean. The ones that are in a pedigree of an NFHR registered horse are in there. To add all of them would be a considerable amount of work I am afraid. Someday maybe we will have a world wide database with all countries horses in a common database. Now that would be awesome! This new Descendants report is really quite interesting to run on some of the horses. Rusten has 375 descendants. This should be interesting for the people looking at colors too. Wow. I ran it on LIDAREN N-1653 he has a total of 2145 descendants! He is in 1/3 of all of the horses in the database. Thanks for doing this Lori Stephan! This is great. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sad report
This message is from: Vivian Creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am very sad to report that Milton Long passed away last night. Our loss is the angels gain.
the Turlock report 2001
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All- Back from Turlock and into the groove of daily life. The weekend was not at all what I expected, but it turned out for the best. Jack I arrived on Wednesday to receive people horses. There was quite a turnout, I think around 70 Fjordhorses and 20 Icelandics. The place was hopping by Friday, the day of evaluation. It was very interesting to watch the horses being evaluated. I had a front-row seat as the relief videographer (big thanks to Cesar Vallecillo for bringing his own camera film and taping almost all day). I don't know much about conformation, or what the ideal Fjord is. I learned a lot that day. Friday night was the Fjordings West dinner. Jack ended up being the relief fire starter and cook. See what we get for volunteering? : ) Saturday I was supposed to ride in 6 classes, 3 English 3 Western. Tommes had other ideas. Now, Tommes I have a great relationship. We ride the trails for hours alone every week. We've been all the way to Oregon for a show where we took 1st and 2nd place. We have no problems ... except one. Separation anxiety. I didn't realize that bringing Tommes and his buddy Rafael (Jack's horse) to the same show was a bad idea. When I attempted to show in our first class, Tommes went berserk. We blundered through the class, and I finally dismounted when he started rearing. I left the arena in tears. All my plans, a year of practice and anticipation, POOF, over. No chance to show anywhere near our best ability. To all who gave this sobbing person pep talks, thank you! It helped me get over the initial shock. We put Tommes away and went to get something to eat in the Skandi Village. I realized that I would have to scratch all my classes, including driving, unless I wanted to break my neck or that of another competitor. Jack assured me I'd be fine if I was just more confident. I know he meant well, but I knew better. (Later in the day, the show judge herself said I made the right choice ... she'd recently judged at a show where a person had the same problem, pushed the issue, and went home with a broken leg). After some thought, I decided we could do all our Western classes together if I audited the ones I'm not qualified for (green and Jack Benny). I was cheerful, realizing I could at least do some showing. We did 5 classes in all, and got lots of complements on our matching outfits and siamese twin horses : ) Jack Rafael took 5 ribbons!! This was only their second show. I was so pleased for them. I took 2 ribbons, low placings, but who's complaining. It was just not our day to shine. In the 5th and final class, Jack Benny, the horses were tired. The gate was not closed and Rafael headed towards it. Tommes followed, as did the next 2 horses! By the time we got turned around and back on the rail, we resembled a train wreck. We were all laughing, and my Dad captured it all on video tape : ) Saturday night we enjoyed watching the play day classes, including the infamous Lutefisk Race. Everyone had a great time. Sunday morning I filmed Jack Rafael doing the trail class (camera in one hand, Tommes' lead rope in the other, very amusing). They did a great job, and got a 6th place ribbon. Jack really likes Trail, and wants to advance. We plan on visiting some shows to see what it's all about. Sunday afternoon, I should have been in 4 driving classes. Well, I can sit around and cry all day (sounded like a pretty good idea at the time) or I can help others. I opted for helping. New Fjord owner Ruthie Koch (not sure about last name) and her friend from Norway Dagrun Aarsten were showing for their first time in the US. I answered lots of questions and loaned them my good driving whip (they had only a lunge whip!). Dagrun did a good job showing the green Tinn in 3 classes, and I believe they placed in all. Now Ruthie is all excited to take driving classes with me and my instructor, Kacey Ashley, who was this year's driving coordinator. Sunday evening the high point awards were handed out, and a special award was given to Cindy Vallecillo for the greatest advancement in riding. She has had her horse less than a year, and she rides like a pro! Their relationship is wonderful. Evidently this horse was a basket case when she bought him, and now he's a champion. A little love goes a long way. Thanks to everyone for a great show. As Jack the Barn Manager's other half, I appreciated everyone's flexibility and courtesy. It's not easy for so many people and horses to get along in a small space. Almost every camping, parking and stall space was taken. It was so nice to see exhibitors helping eachother in so many ways ... cleaning up after eachother, holding horses, loaning clothes, bringing food drinks, you name it. We may be competitors, but we care for one another. Let's keep it that way. Happy Fjording! Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A
Re: Show season report
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hooray Lori, nothing better than to hear a happy rider praise their horse and enjoy what they are both doing. Hopefully you can keep up the rigors of the dressage ladder. A daunting challenge for man and beast. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Show season report
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Prisco and I finished up our dressage show series on Sunday. We managed to wrap up the series Championship in both divisions. Yippee!! We got 67.98% in the Basic I test and 64.44% in Basic II, for a 2nd place ribbon in both classes. It's been fun going out and showing off what a good Fjordhorse can do, and the comments we get from the public have been interesting, everything from unqualified praise for his appearance, his gaits, his training, and his attitude, to I didn't know adults could ride ponies and I didn't know Fjords could do dressage. Plus a lot of Does his mane grow like that? Now we go back to a season of doing dressage for its own sake instead of for competition, and the more I do the more I realize that one lifetime is not enough to master it all. We have a long way to go, but the journey for me is endlessly fascinating. I only hope Prisco continues to enjoy it and keeps putting his heart into it. Enjoy your horses! Lori
the Tundra report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All- Funny, I made that fantastic journey to and from Oregon, rode and drove my butt off etc., and came home refreshed. Now after 2 days of my regular life I'm exhausted! Go figure... I promised a full report on my new Toyota Tundra, and here it is. In my opinion, it passed all tests with flying colors. Around town it is comfortable, quiet, and looks cool (important for me when meeting clients etc.). On the trip, it rode like a dream. I didn't even know the trailer was there, except for on very steep uphill climbs. Then, all I had to do was accelerate a little and no problem. The cruise control is awesome. I set it between 55-65 depending on the terrain, and all I had to do was steer. (Safety note, suggested to me by several folks, don't use cruise control when you're tired.) The braking was great. Doesn't have ABS, but I know how to gradually use my brakes to avoid trouble. Even after driving 500+ miles at a stretch, all functions were in top shape. No overheating, trouble starting, or other problems I'm used to with older/smaller vehicles. Gas mileage averaged 15mpg. With gas in our area rising to $2.50+ a gallon, that's not great, but it's still good for such a large powerful vehicle. I opted for the access cab since, as a professional pet sitter, I carry lots of stuff and need it at hand yet not on the floor/seat. The back seats will accomodate a normal size human, and the 60/40 bench flips up to reveal storage space (pet sitter key hiding area). There is also a flip-down drink/snack holder for the passengers (pet sitter paperwork hiding area). I opted for the front captain chairs instead of the bench. It looks nice and is quite comfortable. Also, you get a storage bin with two compartments and drink/snack holders between the seats. The bed is 6 feet. If you buy the single cab it is 8 feet. My cart fits perfectly, as will most. The width of the bed is 60-some inches. (for all specs and msrp, go to www.toyota.com. Build your own Toyota is fun, just remember that dealers carry what is popular so you may not find exactly the combination of options you pick. And, the stick shift is virtually nonexistant.) In any case, we fit one cart, one bale of hay, one dog in a crate, and miscellaneous items with room to spare. Probably could have put more, but I was afraid of my precious riding/driving clothes blowing away on I-5! As for the towing hitch, Toyota will install it for approx $350, but that doesn't include brakes. So you're better off just having the whole thing done at your trailer shop. My shop did hitch brake controls for $475. They also refurbished my trailer last year, so they know all my fittings, towing weight, etc. I chose the 4X2 model since I'll likely never drive through a creek like in the commercials. 4X2 and 4X4 are the same in regards to ground clearance suspension, so rough roads, gravel, dirt etc. are not a problem. We drove through just about every kind, including a bumpy, rocky, weed-clump lot that Dad thought was a shortcut to Wal-Mart (it wasn't). Well that's all I can think of for now. Feel free to ask any questions, or check Toyota's web site for specific measurements. In my opinion you get a lot for your dollar in this truck. Happy Fjord Hauling, Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our Fjords /A
Re: trail riding brag alert/treeless saddle report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, now time for my brag alert! Tommes I enjoyed a ride with the local group called Los Viajeros. I was very excited to go, as it's invitation-only and someone has to sponsor you. Membership is limited and you your horse must prove yourself to be very trail safe, as groups can number up to 70!! Got up early Sunday morning, made coffee, off to the ranch. Loaded up Tommes and gear. Drove to the Skyline Ridge Open Space Preserve. Not a long drive, but very narrow windy roads. I arrived just in time to grab two donuts, listen to the pre-ride briefing, and saddle up! There were over 40 riders with all kinds of breeds, including Tenessee Walkers, Appaloosas and a Peruvian Paso. At first we had a hard time keeping up. Tommes, as a seasoned trail horse, knows how to pace himself. He knows we'll be out for a while, and goes into a steady walk. So many of the others were dancing around tossing their heads that the pace quickened considerably. So we had to walk-trot-walk-trot to catch up : / In any case I was proud of him for being so steady. After two hours of riding over beautiful terrain, we stopped for lunch at a member's house. We got many complements and questions. Several folks thought he was an Icelandic, and do I dye the mane? LOL. Thank God by the time we resumed riding the other horses had tired, and most walked as they should so we were more towards the front of the line! It was about an hour back to the trailers, where Tommes enjoyed a rubdown. As some of you know I have been saddle shopping, and decided on a Bob Marshall Treeless Sport Saddle. Well, I've used it a number of times at home, but this was the ultimate test. I have to say it passed with flying colors. Even after hours of riding over rough terrain, I don't feel as if I've ridden at all. The lack of tree puts me right on the horse's back, just like bareback, but the pommel, cantle stirrups keep me firmly in place. I love the lowered center of gravity, and resulting better balance. When I remove the saddle after a ride, the sweat marks tell the story. Nice even sweat over the whole saddle area, no dry spots or ruffled fur, and a nice dry line right over the spine so no pressure there. Hurray! After two years I've found something that works for both of us. Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html;Our Fjords /A
Re: Stallion Report
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:45 PM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here here I really like Gail Russels ideas, P.S my stallions (*Of age) have their vet certificate on file, I was one that didn't make the Nov 15 deadline. I feel having the breeding report due by Nov 15 th is premature as Stallions have away of getting through the best of fencing. Lauren The Stallion Report is due by the 15th of November only because of the deadline of the printing of the Herald. If we keep the deadline at the 31st of December then the Herald has already been printed mailed by that date. The Report used to be in the Spring issue of the Herald. It was changed to the Winter issue due to people complaining that the information was to late for them to pick a stallion since the Spring issue doesn't get delivered until the end of March or first part of April. Sally mails the Herald pretty much on the change of the seasons. That is Spring - March 20th Summer - June 20th Fall - September 20th Winter - December 20th Give or take a day or 2. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re[2]: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol-- Thursday, January 25, 2001, you wrote: #3 - This is not a licensing to breed plan. No horses are going to be prohibited from breeding. #8 - This report would have to be on file with the NFHR before any offspring from the mare or stallion could be registered. I don't know what more a licence to breed would be. I don't believe that even the most restrictive stud books do anything more than deny inclusion of offspring of unapproved stock. (There are no knives involved). Those unapproved Friesian studs standing to QH and Morgan mares are perfect proof. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA It's never the horse, it's always the rider. --Old Cavalry Adage
Re: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think this is an important subject and I would like to use Carol's message to answer her statements. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Re this discussion, I want to list the important points, as I see them. #1 - That having these reports done by a vet and on file with the NFHR is a small, but positive step in maintaining quality in the breed. What happens if I don't file this vet report the NFHR? There is no way to enforce it without hurting the wrong persons. #2 - Someone suggested that since the average American Fjord stallion only breeds 1.5 mares a year, mares should be included. I agree. Foals can inherit misaligned teeth from the dam as well. It is true that misaligned teeth can be inherited from either the sire or dam. This is why the NFHR evaluation checks the teeth on both stallions and mares. The alignment has to be within one quarter of a tooth's width. Some show judges I know will also check the teeth alignment in the halter classes at horse shows, no matter what the breed. #3 - This is not a licensing to breed plan. No horses are going to be prohibited from breeding. So why do it at all? #4 - Requiring that this information be on file at NFHR will be a SERVICE TO BREEDERS BUYERS. -- While it won't prevent anyone from breeding parrot mouthed horses, it will discourage the practice. As a breeder and/or buyer, I determine this information and much more when I inspect the horse. Why should I depend on the NFHR to have this information? What we need to encourage is educating the inexperienced breeders and/or buyers on what to look for. This is one of the purposes of the NFHR evaluation program. # 7- Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth (alignment) and (the stallion's) testicles (checked) before they begin breeding, say at age two. I sort of like this idea, but at age three. I also think that it should be done at an evaluation. Since it is voluntary, there is no way to enforce it on every horse. #8 - This report would have to be on file with the NFHR before any offspring from the mare or stallion could be registered. NOTE: I'm not saying any horse can be prevented from breeding by the Registry. I am saying that their foals can't be registered if the vet report on teeth and testicles is not on file. --- Again, no difference than other paper requirements to register foals. This will open up a legal can of worms! You are punishing the foal owner or future owner. The foal might have perfect conformation, but either the stallion or mare owners failed to file the paper work, or worst yet, it got lost in the mail. Another point, what happens when a horse is examined at three and has no front teeth misalignment, but develops a misalignment by age six? The paper work was filed at age three. This exact problem occurred this year at the five year old stallion evaluations in Norway. The stallion was licensed at age three, which included inspection of the teeth. At the five year old evaluations, he was not licensed because of an overbite, even though he was the second highest scoring five year old. What happens to his off-spring? #9 - I think this program could go a long way to check the proliferation of these faults. People can be encouraged by timely reminders in the Herald, for instance, to check out at the Registry horses they're considering buying or breeding to. Again, I think education is the key! Also, don't rule out the impact of show awards and evaluation results. Many breeders are more likely to breed to a particular stallion because that stallion has won at major shows or has been awarded blue ribbons at the evaluations. #10 - The knowledge that these reports are filed on every U.S. breeding Fjord should go a long way toward encouraging breeders to pay more attention to these inheritable faults. Buyers and breeders as well. What about the other inheritable faults? Do the vets also have to document off-set knees, steep croups, small eyes, etc? Where do we stop? I hope this topic isn't dropped. It's much too important. I agree that this is important topic and I thank you for bringing it up. More education may be needed. Thanks for your time and attention!! Curt Pierce Bristow VA
Re: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:02 AM 1/26/01 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just having the words teeth and testicles in the same sentence is worrysome! Yes I have to agree with you on that one Mark. ;-) Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mariposa Farm wrote: This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just having the words teeth and testicles in the same sentence is worrysome! Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That brings to mind a comment from my vet in southern WI. She always noticed the position of men's hands when she suggested spaying and especially nuetering a clients dog. LOL She said that she could hardly keep a straight face. I'll have to ask our present vet about that one. LOL I'm sorry. But I won't put my mare through a teeth and testicle check. She'd flunk one of the tests for sure! eg Pamela -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just having the words teeth and testicles in the same sentence is worrysome! Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry. But I won't put my mare through a teeth and testicle check. She'd flunk one of the tests for sure! eg Pamela
Re: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/25/01 1:03:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: # 7- Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles before they begin breeding, say at age two. I'm sorry. But I won't put my mare through a teeth and testicle check. She'd flunk one of the tests for sure! eg Pamela
Re: TEETH TESTICLES VET REPORT ON FILE WITH NFHR
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Re this discussion, I want to list the important points, as I see them. #1 - That having these reports done by a vet and on file with the NFHR is a small, but positive step in maintaining quality in the breed. #2 - Someone suggested that since the average American Fjord stallion only breeds 1.5 mares a year, mares should be included. I agree. Foals can inherit misaligned teeth from the dam as well. #3 - This is not a licensing to breed plan. No horses are going to be prohibited from breeding. #4 - Requiring that this information be on file at NFHR will be a SERVICE TO BREEDERS BUYERS. -- While it won't prevent anyone from breeding parrot mouthed horses, it will discourage the practice. #5 - The NFHR requires all kinds of reports to be on file; such as TRANSFER REPORTS, STALLION BREEDING REPORTS, DNA TEST REPORTS. This is no different. Just one more way to control quality in the breed. #6 - This has nothing to do with registering horses. It's not a requirement for registration. # 7- Mares and stallions should be vet checked for teeth and testicles before they begin breeding, say at age two. #8 - This report would have to be on file with the NFHR before any offspring from the mare or stallion could be registered. NOTE: I'm not saying any horse can be prevented from breeding by the Registry. I am saying that their foals can't be registered if the vet report on teeth and testicles is not on file. --- Again, no difference than other paper requirements to register foals. #9 - I think this program could go a long way to check the proliferation of these faults. People can be encouraged by timely reminders in the Herald, for instance, to check out at the Registry horses they're considering buying or breeding to. #10 - The knowledge that these reports are filed on every U.S. breeding Fjord should go a long way toward encouraging breeders to pay more attention to these inheritable faults. Buyers and breeders as well. There's probably lots more to say on the subject, but I haven't time this morning. I hope this topic isn't dropped. It's much too important. Once Again Having teeth and testicles tested and on file with the NFHR is a SMALL but IMPORTANT thing we can do to maintain standards in our breed. It would cost almost nothing. Could be done at owner's convenience. There's MUCH MUCH more that could be done to protect and preserve the qualities we love in this breed . . . But, this particular plan is an easy one and an important one, and I can't see how anyone who has the best interest of the breed at heart, could object. What do you think? ONE MORE THING - Some people have gotten the impression that overbites or underbites are common in the breed. NOBODY HAS SAID THAT! However, if we allow horses to breed that have these conditions, you will see a lot of it in the area the faulty horses are breeding. This fault is a strongly inherited trait. Everyone knows that! It's a crime to breed animals and not do everything in one's power to prevent it happening. Think of it this way -- The reason misaligned mouths are considered such a serious fault is that with such mouths, horses have a very hard time grazing or can't do it at all. --- This would never happen in the wild, as those horses would waste away and die. However, now we can keep them fat and jolly by feeding them mush all their lives. Fine!!! But, we don't have to breed those horses. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
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This message is from: Denise's [EMAIL PROTECTED] bridgid, fjord size halters in decent colors. not gawdy denise - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: Re: the Turlock report : ) This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All- I have asked a friend and local tack shop owner to set up at Scandifest 2001. She sounds interested. I'm sure those of you who attended this year noticed a lack of horsey things for sale. I personally would have purchased a number of practical items (manure fork, other forgotten things) and gift items for friends. What I need from all of you is this: what items would you buy from a tack vendor at Skandifest? Please be specific. Tack... straps, buckles, cleansers, headstalls, bits? Feed... treats, supplements, grains? Medicine... ointment for trailer ouchies? Halters/ropes... in Fjord sizes? Barn equipment... manure fork, buckets, wheelbarrow? Thanks so much. I will pass the results on to my friend. Brigid
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brigid, since you are online, it looks like it will be a piece of cake for you to join in the once a month Fjordings West online meetings. I will get with you Jack soon as to your new duties! Hope Tommes and rafael are happy to be home, karen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: the Turlock report : ) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:39:36 EDT This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Karen- Thanks for further show results to jog my memory! Yep, you and Gayle were neck neck, very exciting. Look forward to having you as the new president! On that note, what is the barn manager's job description? We are eager to start planning for next year. Before we know it, it will be show time again : ) Brigid _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Karen- Thanks for further show results to jog my memory! Yep, you and Gayle were neck neck, very exciting. Look forward to having you as the new president! On that note, what is the barn manager's job description? We are eager to start planning for next year. Before we know it, it will be show time again : ) Brigid
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All- I have asked a friend and local tack shop owner to set up at Scandifest 2001. She sounds interested. I'm sure those of you who attended this year noticed a lack of horsey things for sale. I personally would have purchased a number of practical items (manure fork, other forgotten things) and gift items for friends. What I need from all of you is this: what items would you buy from a tack vendor at Skandifest? Please be specific. Tack... straps, buckles, cleansers, headstalls, bits? Feed... treats, supplements, grains? Medicine... ointment for trailer ouchies? Halters/ropes... in Fjord sizes? Barn equipment... manure fork, buckets, wheelbarrow? Thanks so much. I will pass the results on to my friend. Brigid
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This message is from: Denise's [EMAIL PROTECTED] oh, i forgot to tell you i found a women in angels camp who has a good reputation and gives riding lessons...something i need. i am scheduled to start next week. another reason to get quinny home. denise - Original Message - From: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: Re: the Turlock report : ) This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Too bad I only remember a few placings. Perhaps next year (since we'll be volunteering anyway) we will post a complete list with further comments. Maybe I can afford to buy a new notebook computer and broadcast live from the Motel 6, like I did last year. However I don't know if I can stay awake to do so - I've never been so tired in my life : ) Happy Fjording, Brigid Gee Brigid, Glad too see I wasn't the only one who feels tired after Turlock! I commiserated with Gayle Ware BEFORE we arrived at the show that we were getting too old for all this travel and hoopla, but when you get here and get to do your stuff, and hang out with all the other fjordie people, well, that is why we do it. Duh! Well all, as the new Fjordings West prez, I really want to thank all of you who came and showed, groomed, volunteered, or spectated at Turlock...It was the biggest turnout ever. I expect to get some attendance figures soon, as well as the results, from our retiring show manager, Sami Nelson.It may be early next week before I post them as she's really busy right now: they sold their farm, and are in the process of moving up to Idaho, AND, she is showing Tolle (Sven x Belle) this weekend at the Shady Oaks CDE in Lodi. It is her 1st recognised CDE, so wish her well. (I will be cheering for them discreetly as I judge one of the hazards there.) The Fjordings West group presented Sami with a gorgeous horse afghan, (the kind you need up in Idaho, to snuggle in while you read your latest copy of the 'Herald'.) I have been focusing on Sami leaving the show after 3 great years of managing it for us, because, it really leaves a huge void that we as a group need to fill. It's gonna take more than one person to equal the energy she can produce, and we ARE on our way to doing that, as we had nominations and elections during the open meeting and potluck last Friday night. Catherine Lassesen will be our new show manager, Amy Evers accepted the position as Vice President, Barry S. agreed to continue on as Treasurer, and Leela Standahl is our new secretary...Two new faces, thank you so much Leela and Amy. Jack, (Brigid's S.O.), stepped up to the challenge, volunteering as Barn Manager, Turlock 2001. Amy Evers and her dad Bud,had their hands full at the show, showing their nice mare Taffeta and stallion Bjorn-Knutson. ( I think those two had it in for her, as Amy was kept very busy cleaning manure stains off of them. Maybe next year threaten to tie them up between classes?) Leela's young Dusty son,(Gayle delivered him to her at the show) did very well for her in hand, and he is really cute - all legs right now! Don't want to leave Barry Sheinbaum (sorry Barry,sp?)and Catherine out of this report- both did great for their farms. Barry and his mare Misty, of Village Farm tied and shared the High Point Driven Horse award with Casey Ashley and Trond, and Catherine and Lupin,of Hestehavn,(my favorite mare - she CAN do anything!),won the Versatility award. I have a personal 'brag alert' here, as my student, Lidsay Ford 12, rode my 3 1/2 y.o. filly Lillie to the Walk/Trot High Point. This is really special for Lindsay, as she has done all the ridden training work on Lillie - I only put the first couple of rides on her before handing her over. My mare Tise and yours truly had a good Turlock. We had to work our butts off to get ready this year, as I found my work has a way of robbing us of the real time needed to prep. That,and Tise is feeling very pregnant! Gayle Ware and I have been friendly rivals, I guess since we first met at Libby in '89. Watching Gayle riding western really inspired me, an event/dressage rider, to try this discipline. So, here is a synopsis of the classes we shared in Turlock: Open Eng. Pleasure - 1st Gayle, 2nd Karen Dressage Suitability -1st Karen, 2nd Gayle Open Western Pleasure - 1st. Karen, 2nd Gayle Western Horsemanship - 1st Gayle,2nd Karen Open Trail - 1st Karen, 3rd Gayle Head to head I think! There was a much larger assortment of fjord and Icelandic goodies offered at the promo booth this year. Many thanks go to Sarah Nagel for putting together a PNWFPG goody box, and fowarding it down with the Knudsen's, and Martie Bolinski who sent out some very original fjord-themed stained glass art. It was well recieved. Before I get too close to the end here, I need to say I really missed a few faces this year: Alfhild Raaum
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Too bad I only remember a few placings. Perhaps next year (since we'll be volunteering anyway) we will post a complete list with further comments. Maybe I can afford to buy a new notebook computer and broadcast live from the Motel 6, like I did last year. However I don't know if I can stay awake to do so - I've never been so tired in my life : ) Happy Fjording, Brigid Gee Brigid, Glad too see I wasn't the only one who feels tired after Turlock! I commiserated with Gayle Ware BEFORE we arrived at the show that we were getting too old for all this travel and hoopla, but when you get here and get to do your stuff, and hang out with all the other fjordie people, well, that is why we do it. Duh! Well all, as the new Fjordings West prez, I really want to thank all of you who came and showed, groomed, volunteered, or spectated at Turlock...It was the biggest turnout ever. I expect to get some attendance figures soon, as well as the results, from our retiring show manager, Sami Nelson.It may be early next week before I post them as she's really busy right now: they sold their farm, and are in the process of moving up to Idaho, AND, she is showing Tolle (Sven x Belle) this weekend at the Shady Oaks CDE in Lodi. It is her 1st recognised CDE, so wish her well. (I will be cheering for them discreetly as I judge one of the hazards there.) The Fjordings West group presented Sami with a gorgeous horse afghan, (the kind you need up in Idaho, to snuggle in while you read your latest copy of the 'Herald'.) I have been focusing on Sami leaving the show after 3 great years of managing it for us, because, it really leaves a huge void that we as a group need to fill. It's gonna take more than one person to equal the energy she can produce, and we ARE on our way to doing that, as we had nominations and elections during the open meeting and potluck last Friday night. Catherine Lassesen will be our new show manager, Amy Evers accepted the position as Vice President, Barry S. agreed to continue on as Treasurer, and Leela Standahl is our new secretary...Two new faces, thank you so much Leela and Amy. Jack, (Brigid's S.O.), stepped up to the challenge, volunteering as Barn Manager, Turlock 2001. Amy Evers and her dad Bud,had their hands full at the show, showing their nice mare Taffeta and stallion Bjorn-Knutson. ( I think those two had it in for her, as Amy was kept very busy cleaning manure stains off of them. Maybe next year threaten to tie them up between classes?) Leela's young Dusty son,(Gayle delivered him to her at the show) did very well for her in hand, and he is really cute - all legs right now! Don't want to leave Barry Sheinbaum (sorry Barry,sp?)and Catherine out of this report- both did great for their farms. Barry and his mare Misty, of Village Farm tied and shared the High Point Driven Horse award with Casey Ashley and Trond, and Catherine and Lupin,of Hestehavn,(my favorite mare - she CAN do anything!),won the Versatility award. I have a personal 'brag alert' here, as my student, Lidsay Ford 12, rode my 3 1/2 y.o. filly Lillie to the Walk/Trot High Point. This is really special for Lindsay, as she has done all the ridden training work on Lillie - I only put the first couple of rides on her before handing her over. My mare Tise and yours truly had a good Turlock. We had to work our butts off to get ready this year, as I found my work has a way of robbing us of the real time needed to prep. That,and Tise is feeling very pregnant! Gayle Ware and I have been friendly rivals, I guess since we first met at Libby in '89. Watching Gayle riding western really inspired me, an event/dressage rider, to try this discipline. So, here is a synopsis of the classes we shared in Turlock: Open Eng. Pleasure - 1st Gayle, 2nd Karen Dressage Suitability -1st Karen, 2nd Gayle Open Western Pleasure - 1st. Karen, 2nd Gayle Western Horsemanship - 1st Gayle,2nd Karen Open Trail - 1st Karen, 3rd Gayle Head to head I think! There was a much larger assortment of fjord and Icelandic goodies offered at the promo booth this year. Many thanks go to Sarah Nagel for putting together a PNWFPG goody box, and fowarding it down with the Knudsen's, and Martie Bolinski who sent out some very original fjord-themed stained glass art. It was well recieved. Before I get too close to the end here, I need to say I really missed a few faces this year: Alfhild Raaum stayed at home, did not feel too chipper. Get well, Al! We carried forth with the potluck, but it was not as stellar as one produced by you! Betsy Bauer and her daughter Abby could not make it due to a last- minute injury to Betsy's knee. Ouch! Take it easy Betsy, and well see you and Abby next year.(We'll have more jumping classes Abby!) Denise Delgado was moving last weekend,(!!!) and also was missed. For those of you who attended Turlock, either
Re: the Turlock report : )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL! Yes, I was sorry I didn't see you this year. It was even better than last. Your son sounds like a great guy, but who on Earth can choose who they fall in love with? Hee hee... He'll find lots of great lonely gals in Half Moon Bay. So how are your horses? Brigid
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/26/00 3:57:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Congratulations Brigid and family not just for your ribbons and placings but because you obviously had a great time and gave such a descriptive report. thanks Jean You're welcome, Jean! Too bad I only remember a few placings. Perhaps next year (since we'll be volunteering anyway) we will post a complete list with further comments. Maybe I can afford to buy a new notebook computer and broadcast live from the Motel 6, like I did last year. However I don't know if I can stay awake to do so - I've never been so tired in my life : ) Happy Fjording, Brigid
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Congratulations Brigid and family not just for your ribbons and placings but because you obviously had a great time and gave such a descriptive report. thanks Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: the Turlock report : )
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone- Well, we're not virgins anymore... myself, partner Jack, ... I drove the 120 miles to Turlock from Half Moon Bay, CA, Hi Brigid, I met you last year at Turlock. Did not go this year. Hey, dump this guy Jack, and take up with my son! Age 29 (well, 30 in October) rock climber, surfer, mountain biker...really nicesmartthoughtfulloves his dog, Woody, and just moved to Half Moon Bay. Women love him, but he has yet to find the right combo of intellect, physical fitness, and psychological health. You would do JUST FINE! We took him riding and he did OK. Or find him your twin sister. :) Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the Turlock report : )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone- Well, we're not virgins anymore... myself, partner Jack, and Fjords Anvil's Tommes Rafael participated in our first show! We had a WONDERFUL time. I can't stress enough the feeling of comeraderie and friendship among the competitors. FIRST DAY Tommes Rafael load right into the trailer, despite the fact that they haven't seen it for a year (their breakfast was waiting inside!). I drove the 120 miles to Turlock from Half Moon Bay, CA, with my stomach growling (I get carsick if I eat before traveling). Arriving at the fairgrounds, we have instant sensory overload. Fjords everywhere! Familiar faces! I spent an hour saying aren't you... didn't I see you last year/in a magazine/ on the list/ etc.? We got the horses washed and settled in their stalls. They were very excited to be in a new place and see so many of their own people. That night, we enjoyed a potluck and meeting of Fjordings West. Catherine Lasseson handed the crown to Karen McCarthy, who will be our new president. Jack was volunteered to be next year's barn manager : )After the meeting it was time for Playday! What a gas. We enjoyed watching pole bending, relays and other games including the famous Lutefisk Race. Our horses were still too excited and ran 40mph while we, their hapless riders, attempted to pick up a stuffed fish. It was great fun. SECOND DAY We saddled up and rode around the Skandi village. I'd swear we never went more than 3 steps at a time before being surrounded my people. We answered many questions about Fjords including their Viking history, their care, and the fact that we don't dye the mane! Tommes Rafael love to socialize, so they had a great time. Suddenly the announcer says, 5 minute call for walk-trot adults. Yikes! That's us! So we hightailed it back to the arena, to wait an hour and a half for our division (we were in Western, not English). We quickly discovered the show saying of hurry up and wait! By now our horses were more relaxed and into the groove of things, so we felt confident in their abilities. FINALLY time to go. This is it, our show debut! Thank God someone called for a tack break, as we got to walk around the arena 2 times before we were officially being judged. Tommes decides the first order of business is to stop and take a dump. Couldn't he have done that sometime in the pre! vi! ous hour and a half? LOL. So we walk and trot, reverse, and line up. Tommes felt awesome, relaxed and happy. I know we did our best. The announcer calls out first, second, third, fourth, and fifth place (next year, someone needs to clue in the announcer that it's supposed to be called out the other way). I figure we haven't placed. Oh well. Then he says, Sixth place, number 77. We all look around. there is no 77. Wait a minute, my number's 11, that's me! Someone corrects the announcer and my name goes over the loud speaker. Yippee! I feel like I've won the Grand Prix. Flush with victory, we wash and feed our horses, then watch some of the other divisions. Fellow newcomer Lori Osmond and Jess took 1st place in their division, novice English! Way to go Lori. I finally got to see the famous Woodland's Dustin, and I wasn't disappointed. I'd swear that stallion's hooves never touched the ground. Dusty and owner Gayle Ware cleaned up in their divisions. We were also happy to see more Icelandics this year, and the rare Gotland Ponies with their fearless pony club girls riding. Hold Your Horses put on a demo of disbled riders. What a wonderful service to the community. DAY THREE More socializing in the Skandi village. Tommes amazes me by showing no fear of wheelchairs and other unusual things. Fjords just seem drawn to people with special needs. Jack I study the trail class pattern and attempt to memorize it. I go first. Tommes decides he'll have nothing to do with the obstacles (he's the type to go around things instead), and we blunder through the class. Oh well. I praise him for trying, and we exit. Now it's Jack and Rafael's turn. To my surprise, they ace the course (they hadn't practiced in weeks, but Rafael seems to have an affinity for obstacle courses). Rafael walks cleanly over the logs, over the bridge, stops and backs like a pro, then breaks into a clean trot. Into the box, around the single cone, never breaking the trot (many horses did, due to the small space). This big drafty horse was practically bent in half! Trot out, around the cones, over the logs, then to the sidepass. Well, he doesn't know sidepass, so Jack had to stop there. However many horses didn't sidepass, so I figured with a run like that they had to place. ALL DAY we waited for the results. In the meantime I assisted KC and Trond in the Ride-to-Drive Class. They took second place, and she gave me her ribbon for assisting! Now that's fjord people... We were treated to a freestyle reining demo by Gayle and Dusty, to music from the
ND Brag report
This message is from: Janne Myrdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Had to brag a bit about my two geldings I picked up from the trainers this past weekend. Mf Hovin and MF Tinngutten are half brothers, and have been at the trainers since January. They have been worked 3 times a week, hauling sleds, logs, wagons and working fields. They have grown up a bit, i'd say. Anyway, I drove them as a team through a 40 acre wooded area, with my family in the 12 seat wagon. They were just great, plugging along, with Hovin a solid anker and Tinn the mover, - oh how fun to see your babies mature and look and work so good together. Tinn would just be great under saddle as well, as he has that extension and suspension Carol spoke about the other day, plus alot of pride. The trainer said, this horse will take someone far, alot of horse and alot of talent. Had to brag, even if to some of you, this is daily occurences, - for me with limited time in this season of life, for my horses, it was a thrill to see their progress.The trainer almost teared up letting them go, he got so attached, these were his first fjords.HE LOVES FJORDS, well who doesn't?? Janne in ND.
FW: Trend Virus Report AND where to get a housecall for virus scan and repair.
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Libby Report
This message is from: Betsy Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I wanted to check in with all of you who are wondering how things are going in Libby. BEAUTIFUL The weather is warm, t-shirt (yes, our T-Shirts are being worn) weather. Ideal dry weather. In the ring all the fjords looks very impressive. Gayle Ware did her reining exhibition and Dusty loved showing his stuff. Woodie's fjord won the weight pull. Pulling 1800 lbs. Whow Woodie's fjord digs his toes in and used all his might. Toby had a good performance and his cheering section spurred him on. :-) And one of the exciting wins was for Beth Breyer, (Colorado) who won first and second with two of her fjords in the Single Log Skid with a time of 34.78 + 2. There was many whispers as to whether this beats Brian Jensen's record Brain are you there??? All the List people have been meeting and now we have a few more faces to put to names. Wish you were here??? Signing off from Montana's very stary skies, Betsy Bauer Assistant Gopher for Laurie Pittman, show photographer
Re: Brian Jenson's Report
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Brian Jenson's Report This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) A Goodday Everybody, from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm - NFHR BOARD OPERATING IN A VACUUM - NFHR members have the right to know EVERYTHING the Board does. Complete minutes should be posted on the NFHR site IMMEDIATELY after each Conference Call. And these minutes should be complete enough so that members can understand and get a feeling of what transpired. For the life of me, I can't think of a single reason why this should not be so. I quite agree and there are laws governing disclosure of all actions in govennment and elected boards etc. why not ours? TAPED RECORD OF NFHR CONFERENCE CALLS - This may be going a bit far and sounds too paranoid but also runs into laws re taping telephone conversations etc. Maybe I am the paranoid one? If the American public got to see and hear each and every detail of the O.J. case and the Clinton hearings . . . shouldn't we have the right to know EVERYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED on these conference calls? I do not like this comparison, but it certainly gets the point across!!! COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BOD AND COMMITTEES (EVALUATION OTHERS) I really find this lack of communication incredible. I mean, you'd think each side was dealing with a foreign governement. HOW CAN THEY NOT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER? Yes how? This sounds like a very loose organization. Problems in organizations or groups all begin at the top. The officers. What are members to think when we hear that the BOD has been waiting to hear from the Evaluation Committee, and the EC has been waiting to hear from the BOD, and both have been waiting for months and months and months? Who is on first and What is on second etc. IMPORTANCE OF PERFORMANCE TESTING IN EVALUATIONS I agree with Carol. Training and performance in shows is totally separate from evaluation of abilities. The performance in the classes is added on to the value of a horse. A wonderful brood mare who has never been out of the field could be a top dressage prospect but that should not affect her evaluation as a perfect brood mare and representative of her breed. Her performance in classes would be an add on. CONFORMATION COMES FIRST EVALUATIONS SHOULD START WITH YOUNG HORSES! Here I disagree as I think an evaluation is aimed at quite a few factors and conformation in growing babies is unreliable. In the Hanovarian evaluations that I am most familiar with, the horse is displayed at a series of gaits led by lead rope. Stood and observed at all angles and turned loose to show free gaits. Much as Carol describes below. THE PERFORMANCE TESTS - I'm only familiar with the Dutch system, but in that, the horse is judged on - GAITS, SUPPLENESS, WILLINGNESS, ATTITUDE, SELF CARRIAGE. (If his 20 meter circle is 25 meters, and less than round, he will not lose points.) Within reason,the horse is judged, not the rider/driver. * MY POINT IS - That Evaluations are not the place to demonstrate great proficiency in the various disciplines. I quite agree Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Brian Jenson's Report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/2/99 2:41:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone! What are members to think when we hear that the BOD has been waiting to hear from the Evaluation Committee, and the EC has been waiting to hear from the BOD, and both have been waiting for months and months and months? The only virtue I can see in this situation, is that both sides have an abundance of patience. As a member, I find this deplorable. I also find the understated comments of negligence posted awhile back toward the Evaluation Committee ridiculous. The fact is the BOD are the elected officials of the NFHR. It is THEIR responsibility to follow up and communicate with the Evaluation Committee. Period. If their personal lives are too hectic to allow them to be a good, qualified, working, and caring BOD members, than by all means, step down and let someone else do the job better. That Evaluations are not the place to demonstrate great proficiency in the various disciplines. As I understand Evaluations, they are the place to determine if individual breeders, be they backyard or professional, are going in the right direction. -- Also, to determine on a national scale if the breed is maintaining quality, improving quality, or losing ground. THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH CONFORMATION, MOVEMENT, BREED TYPE, AND TEMPERAMENT THAN IT DOES WITH HOW WELL THE HORSE IS TRAINED. Amen, Carol! I could not have said this any better. Lynda Daniel Bailey and Lynda C. Welch-Bailey Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
Re: Brian Jenson's Report
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) A Goodday Everybody, from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm - I was glad to see Brian's statement on the Evaluation Committee's dealings with the BOD, as I had no idea what was happening. NFHR BOARD OPERATING IN A VACUUM - -- In my opinion, the most important thing Brian said was that the BOD should not be OPERATING IN A VACUUM. He's right! That's exactly what they've done, which is why the rest of us are confused. NFHR members have the right to know EVERYTHING the Board does. Complete minutes should be posted on the NFHR site IMMEDIATELY after each Conference Call. And these minutes should be complete enough so that members can understand and get a feeling of what transpired. For the life of me, I can't think of a single reason why this should not be so. TAPED RECORD OF NFHR CONFERENCE CALLS - Further, I think a tape recording should be made of each conference call, and should be available to every member requesting it. This would be much more complete, valuable, and timely than the bare bones minutes we now get in the Herald -- MONTHS AFTER THE FACT. If the American public got to see and hear each and every detail of the O.J. case and the Clinton hearings . . . shouldn't we have the right to know EVERYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED on these conference calls? The answer is, of course we have the right, and we also have the need to know. COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BOD AND COMMITTEES (EVALUATION OTHERS) I really find this lack of communication incredible. I mean, you'd think each side was dealing with a foreign governement. HOW CAN THEY NOT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER? Sorry, for the caps, but I can't shout or highlght on email. I really dont' get it. What kind of an organization is this? It's a horse registry. OUR REGISTRY! Compared to many other breed registries, we're miniscule. Most of us know each other. What's the problem? Why don't these people get on the phone or email, and talk to each other? What are members to think when we hear that the BOD has been waiting to hear from the Evaluation Committee, and the EC has been waiting to hear from the BOD, and both have been waiting for months and months and months? The only virtue I can see in this situation, is that both sides have an abundance of patience. IMPORTANCE OF PERFORMANCE TESTING IN EVALUATIONS - It's been stated that the reasons the EC decided against using European Evaluators, even to get us started on the road to routine Evaluations, is that they wished to maintain American standards for the performance tests in Dressage, Western, Draft Driving. I may be wrong, but it came across to me that PERFORMANCE TESTING WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of American Evaluations. If this is so, then I object. CONFORMATION COMES FIRST EVALUATIONS SHOULD START WITH YOUNG HORSES! The purpose of Evaluations is to identify good breeding stock. It gives specific feedback in terms of strengths and weaknesses indicating how you can breed to improve your herd, or if you're a backyard breeder with only one foal, how you can get a better foal next time around. THE PERFORMANCE TESTS - I'm only familiar with the Dutch system, but in that, the horse is judged on - GAITS, SUPPLENESS, WILLINGNESS, ATTITUDE, SELF CARRIAGE. (If his 20 meter circle is 25 meters, and less than round, he will not lose points.) Within reason,the horse is judged, not the rider/driver. * MY POINT IS - That Evaluations are not the place to demonstrate great proficiency in the various disciplines. As I understand Evaluations, they are the place to determine if individual breeders, be they backyard or professional, are going in the right direction. -- Also, to determine on a national scale if the breed is maintaining quality, improving quality, or losing ground. THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH CONFORMATION, MOVEMENT, BREED TYPE, AND TEMPERAMENT THAN IT DOES WITH HOW WELL THE HORSE IS TRAINED. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: CLAC-86 bug repellent: first report
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean-- Wednesday, May 12, 1999, you wrote: I sprayed a 1:7 dilution of the CLAC concentrate all over except the face and rubbed some by hand on their faces ...snip... I don't know how it works for gnats and flies. Have the others on the list that ordered it tried it yet? How do you like it? Is it effective for your bugs? Of course the horses all smell like lemon spice cake! We decided to try the CLAC-86 also. We found it at Equine Discount for $23.95 for the liter bottle. Their web site is at: http://www.equinediscount.com and their phone is 1-800-482-8060. If you order two bottles plus something else to get the order over $50, you pay no shipping or handling. I tried it today for the first time. I used it at the 1:4 dilution, applied it with a sprayer, then back rubbed it into the hair. For flies, it seems to work wonderfully. No flies as soon as I applied it, and very few flies 90 minutes later after a long drive and some ring work. That's real good fly spray in my book. When we were driving thru the woods, there were quite a few mosquitoes landed on Pferd. Although it appeared they weren't biting him, the spray didn't seem to keep them off. There was no problem with deer flies, but it may still be a little early for them. So far it seems to work better than the Absorbine Ultrashield we've been using for several years, and since Ultrashield has gone up to $46 a gallon, I think the CLAC-86 will save quite a bit of money. I certainly agree with the spice cake observation. And it seems to linger on the hands for quite some time. But it's not a bad smell, just very pervasive. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Far back, far back in our dark soul the horse prances. --D.H. Lawrence(1885-1930)
CLAC-86 bug repellent: first report
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, the mosquitoes are out...The big slow bombers that overwinter. The horses had dozens on them, esp on the face. I sprayed a 1:7 dilution of the CLAC concentrateall over except the face and rubed some by hand on their faces. the mosquitoes were immediately gone, altho they were flying around their heads, drawn by ther exhaled breath, but nolt landing. I didn't do a thorough job of application..didn't brush the horses first and rub in on the hair thoroughly. but it seems to be working better than any other bug spray or repellent with the exceptioon, perhaps of 95% DEET which can be toxic. So, for at least these first mosquitoes, the stuff works well. We'll see how it works for the little nasty mosquitoes that come later..They are much more voracious. I don't know how it works for gnats and flies. Have the others on the list that ordered it tried it yet? How do you like it? Is it effective for your bugs? Of course the horses all smell like lemon spice cake! They don't seem to like the smell on my hands, at least at first, but don't seem to mind it after it's on. At least it smells better than Repel-X P. You can order the CLAC-86 from Whitman Saddle company at (800) 253-0852. I got the concentrate, which you dilute with water, 1:7 or for a stronger solution, 1:4. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where the leaves have burst out today and the hills turned green. 18:18 hours daylight! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Snort Report
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Two geldings belonging to Paul Milton were here at the ranch for a little single schooling, over a year ago. One of them, Thomas,was really acting wierd in the pasture one afternoon... he kept snorting loudly, his head held high and his body very tense. He was staring intently at a paint mare in the adjoining pasture. Kept it up for at least a 1/2 hour, and would do it any time the mare was near the pasture gate and he was being led out. Mare in question was a very sweet mare, not at all a witch. Go figger...Perhaps we should do a Rorsach (sp?) Test for fjords; just pin it up on the back of the barn see what happens. *Warning* do not attempt this if hitched to a vehicle, or riding bareback, etc. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Another report on Equitana
This message is from: Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Equitana was wonderful! We bought several raffle tickets on the Fjord colt, one on a Friesian filly, a Clydesdale filly, a Miniature Horse foal, a Troyers carriage, a dressage saddle, and I don't know what else. But nobody called us to tell us we had won anything ... oh well. We saw and petted almost every breed of equine in America - Fjords, Baudet de Poitou donkeys, a Dartmoor pony, Gypsy Vanners, Shires, Suffolks, Lusitanos, Andalusians, Lipizzans, Chincoteage Ponies, a Connemara, a Hanoverian, an Akhal Teke, Icelandic Ponies, and on and on and on! And we saw John Lyons work with a 3 year old TB stallion that had never had a saddle on his back. He saddled him, mounted him, and sat on him for about 30 seconds in the course of one hour. His method was very interesting, he never gave the horse a chance to act up on him. The next day he worked with a yearling QH filly, her owner said, She can be a witch. His shtick, as far as I can figure, is patience; consistency; positive attitude, don't down-mouth your buddy; baby steps; don't expect too much, too fast; and don't get frustrated, because all that means is that you are trying to teach something you haven't learned how to teach yet, and that he, John Lyons, doesn't know how to teach everything yet; to sit back, read, visit horsemen, learn, then when you think you've got it, teach it to your horse. He suggests not working your young horses only 10 minutes every once in a while, but for a good long time making the lesson's contents routine and building a lifelong bond. He had the filly in the ring for an hour and the only thing he did was to make her move out, control the direction she went in the pen, and to let her come in to him for rest and an ear rub. The lesson was 'getting your horse to come to you'. He said don't get after the horse for every little thing, that most bad behaviors can be avoided by you before they happen if you know your horse well enough. (I am finally at the point with Aagot that I feel like I had already picked up on that. I have learned to jiggle her lead if she thinks about crowding or acting up and it usually nips the badness in the bud so I don't have to get after her for being a bad girl!) He says that you have to always make time with your horse a positive experience for the horse. He says chains are for bicycles, not for horses - I assume that means chin straps and lead ropes, etc. (I just bought a chain chin strap for Dorina's snaffle - oh well!) He says anytime you get mad and discouraged while working your horse, multiply that by ten and you have the frustration and upset you have caused your horse to feel. To develop control. To focus on what you want the horse to do. That we don't give training techniques enough time, look for the tiniest improvement. And to always remember that the thing you are trying to achieve is a better relationship with your horse. I got a lot from just watching his technique of gentleness and patience. I am going to read his books and watch his videos. I highly recommend him. While Steve went to an excellent trailering seminar by Neva Scheve and I saw Jessica Jahiel, the lady I get the e-mail list from at http://www.prairienet.org/jjahiel. Both were well worthwhile. We saw Jan Jacobsen who gave an excellent speech on saddle fit. She showed the shape and position of the tree in the English saddle. She was adamant against putting the saddle too far forward and working it back like we are all taught to do because we often leave it over the horses shoulders when we do it that way. She showed where the shoulder bone comes to and showed how to hold your horses front leg forward to see how much your horses shoulder blade moved back towards or under the saddle. To check to make sure the saddles tree or other stiff parts did not interfere with the shoulder blade even while moving. That it was ok if it went under the soft, flexible edge of the saddle. She taught how the shoulder blade can move back as far as 3 inches, and how to pull your horses leg forward to see how far back it goes. She showed how to detect the too wide saddle and how it hurts the horse; the same with the too narrow saddle. And how a good fitting saddle will look and fit. She said that if you have a stable full of different kinds of horses you will need at least four saddles. One narrow, one wide, one in-between, and I didn't catch what the other one was (perhaps a different balance). And that you'll need padding for the ones in-between. She talked about balance; how you can balance a pencil across the middle of the seat of a well balanced saddle as it sits on the horse if it suits the horse. She explained how the riders balance is thrown off if the saddle and horse angles are off. And much more. She was good - very knowledgeable. The Mane Event, a show they put on every evening was fun, but we were so far back we needed binoculars!
Re: Marge's Horse, Saddle Report, Scent Masking agent, Kool Aid
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Marge, glad to see that Asta is looking better. I am grateful that you put us all on the alert about letting horses get too fat - may save several Fjords from going through the same thing. Gunthar's ribs are being tested for overstuffing daily- reverse of the fairy tale about the witch, the children and the chicken bones stuck through the bars. Wanted to ask if anyone else has heard of products to disguise smells for horses. Gunthar dumped me again yesterday. Spooked at nothing visible - and without warning dumped me with a big jump. This always happens when we are in, or have *just* passed through a particularly windy area. Someone suggested that he is spooking at smells and that there is a product to put in his nose when we reach a windy area that might stop this. It is very scary and difficult to devise a plan to train out of him. I managed to drag myself out of the dirt (he stopped and stood absolutely still with the reins off to one side, and a shocked look on his face) and lead him a few feet back to the monster. By that time there was no monster - at least in his view. So I think it might be smells on the wind. Continuing to look for a saddle - especially one that provides a bit more security! Talked to the Australian Stock Saddle Company. Also the Shiloh Aussie Saddle company. Judy, at the latter, seems very nice and has fitted Norwegian Fjords (even advertises the fact). Pretty accommodating. Think I may demo one from her - the Norm Wilson - extra wide. Apparently more dressage type, closer contact than her Wide Stockman saddle - at the cost of some comfort to horse and rider when compared to the Stockman. She said she had recently closed her shop in town and decided to specialize in Aussies. Said most Aussie horses are Thoroughbreds - so trees were narrower. Just recently they began building them wider. For that reason it is very difficult to find a wide aussie saddle used. Australian Stock Saddle Company sells wood/steel combo trees. They *bend* the steel part wider specially to fit the horse. They recommend not getting a saddle without the steel (bendable) tree (too narrow). As near as I can tell the Stock Saddle trees have bars, whereas the ones Judy recommended do not - have to look into that more closely - we're in my area of ignorance. Pursuing the Boz saddle - *talked* (via e-mail) to someone who was greatly relieved that it fit her high-withered horse - and said it is not all that flexible. Does not sound likely to be the Holy Grail of saddledom - the one size fits all. (Apparently made of cross-linked polyethylene - the type of poly used in the best polyethylene kayaks. Boz claims it bends out to fit the horse, but does not spring right back - goes back slowly - so it will not pinch the horse.) Not sure I believe that it will work with a *really wide* horse - plan to do some research on cross linked poly). Other thing about the Boz saddle is that it is designed to put weight over the horse's front end - not back. He has quite the discussion on how the way to have a collected horse is to get the weight off the *back* end so the horse can reach under himself - not try to get the weight off the forehand. Certainly would be nice to get poor long-backed Gunthar all the advantage he can get in doing dressage. I ordered Boz's booklet which explains his theories (drawn from Monte Forman - not that I know anything about him). Oh - trained Gunthar to drink Kool Aid out of a dog water dish yesterday. Idea is to get him so he will drink in the trailer. He sure looks cute with his muzzle coated with cherry flavored Kool Aid. Our QH hated it! In fact he sniffed it, then turned his butt to me as if to kick. I lashed back with the only weapon at hand - the plastic dish full of Kool Aid. He is a Princess and the Pea Horse and must have hated being covered with foul smelling liquid. Yesterday when we came home and washed the sweat off of them Gunthar rolled in the mud - and Brother found a nice pile of hay in a grassy area to roll on. He certainly wouldn't want to get his clean clothes *dirty.* Funny thing is that their owners have like characteristics! Plan to go back and talk to Orthoflex again too. Thanks for all the input. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Marge's Horse, Saddle Report, Scent Masking agent, Kool Aid
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:51 PM 6/22/98 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanted to ask if anyone else has heard of products to disguise smells for horses. Gunthar dumped me again yesterday. Spooked at nothing visible - and without warning dumped me with a big jump. This always happens when we are in, or have *just* passed through a particularly windy area. Someone suggested that he is spooking at smells and that there is a product to put in his nose when we reach a windy area that might stop this. It is very scary and difficult to devise a plan to train out of him. I managed to drag myself out of the dirt (he stopped and stood absolutely still with the reins off to one side, and a shocked look on his face) and lead him a few feet back to the monster. By that time there was no monster - at least in his view. So I think it might be smells on the wind. Try some Vicks Vapo Rub. Just a little bit in each nostril will do the job. It will cover up most any smell in the air. Learned this one at the 4 H Shows at the NY State Fair. There were lots of smells there to hide the horses from. Never had to use it with our Fjord but I know a lot of others that did with their horses. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
