Re: Sleighing...Oops - hi Sandra.
This message is from: Kay Van Natta See the "hi Mary" post! This senility thing is getting to be a real pain in the neck! Kay, still in MI Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2014, at 11:18 AM, "Mary Ofjord" wrote: > > This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" > > > I believe he just needs to be desensitized to the falling snow. :-) When we > ride in the woods, one behind the other, the first person grabs a branch > full of snow and lets it go in the face of the person behind! My friend who > rides with me has sewn a piece of cloth to the back of her helmet cozy to > keep the snow from falling down her neck, however, she could ride in the > lead and do the same thing to me! Maybe Loki is fearful because he is out > in front all by himself, although you say he does fine with his cart. He > just needs to get used to snow balls falling from the trees. > > Mary Ofjord > North Coast Services, LLC > 218-387-1879 > > . Once hitched, Loki became very frightened because the heavy snow was > falling off branches along with falling limbs at times. I'd never given > much thought to how to accustom a horse to this situation because he lives > in a pasture with lots of trees and I assumed that falling snow/branches > wouldn't bother him but in the interest of staying safe, I unhitched him. > Do you simply not go sleighing when snow & branches are falling? > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
oops!
This message is from: "Debby" oops, thought I was replying straight to Teressa. My bad. Least it quiet as most are enjoying the nice temps or maybe off to the WEG. I'd asked Teressa to send the link when she can. If anyone has some music they love to ride their fjords too and seems to really match their trots...nice forward trots. Just this side of one wanting to break into a canter. Want/need to download some, going to look at her tempo in just a bit. Would like to be able to put some trot music on an MP3 player, and be able to change the tempo of the trot some from one song to another. It makes it easier for me, and it seems to help with the use of the halfhalt. thanks all. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Oops - Orthoflex Saddle
This message is from: Gail Russell How old is it? The values of the Orthoflex saddles vary depending upon the vintage. Gail To clarify, I have an Orthoflex Patriot saddle that I'm willing to part Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Oops - Orthoflex Saddle
This message is from: "Pasqual, Tish" Sorry, I sent part of a message privately, and part of it publicly. To clarify, I have an Orthoflex Patriot saddle that I'm willing to part with (need to add to my new carriage fund!) It is in great condition, and fits my 14.2 Fjord perfectly. I have been using my dressage saddle for the past three years, and mostly doing carriage driving before that, so it hasn't seen a ton of use. It is a very comfortable saddle, an endurance style saddle, so it has the English billeting and no horn like a Western saddle. As I said in the public post, it is amazingly lightweight at 19 pounds. I'm asking $1300 plus shipping, which is a great deal as this saddle currently is listed at about $2200 on the OrthoFlex website. Comes with the kickout stirrups, custom pad, breast collar. Elph and I are looking forward to attending the Blue Earth show next year, and are working very hard to be ready for it. This is the first time I have ever had to clip and blanket him - he gets so very sweaty, and that yak coat causes him to never dry, so off it goes! His new barn has automatic waterers in the stalls, and I'm positive he thinks that I have provided him with the best toy ever. Tish and Elph in Minneapolis Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
OOPs...and article
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" My Internet Explorer does not tell me when something is SENT. It looks like it has not gone out...so I kept resending. Big apologies. Here is info on his pacemaker. http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:-57_tT0h1BsJ:www.cardion.cz/Data/files/S pecSheets/PM/EN_ZephyrXLDR_spcsh%255B1%255D.pdf+dddr+pacemaker+zephyr&cd=2&hl =en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a I did find a Wiley Science series article on DDDR pacemakers and horseback riding, but have not figured out how to download. (And I don't think it will let me print the article!) http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/1701889/The_effects_of_equitation_h orseback_riding_on_a_motion_responsive_DDDR_pacemaker This article appears to contradict the doctor, but I am not certain it involved a pacemaker like the one Jim has. I believe his IS the DDDR type. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Oops
This message is from: Robin Churchill Sorry list, I thought I was responding to Kathleen. But, in any event the saddle pads are gone. Robin Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re oops and sorry
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, thought I had sent that email directly to Linda. Not to the list. Jean Gayle Author of: 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Moses Lake Evaluation Pre-Application Deadline oops
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oops! Sorry, this was to go to Dan privately... Karen Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: Moses Lake Evaluation Pre-Application Deadline Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:52:11 + This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DAN, i WILL BE SENDING IN A CHECK FOR $100 / 2 HORSES, IN TODAYS MAILYOU CAN COUNT ME "IN"...THANKS! KAREN Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords :: 2528 NE Dogwood Lane :: Madras, Or. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Oops....
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kelly, I thank you - Erlend thanks you. Peg www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ - Original Message - From: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:30 AM Subject: RE: Oops This message is from: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I love that video. The commentary is great, and the editing is awesome. I showed it to my entire family last night :) Erlend is beautiful!! From: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Oops Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:44:52 -0800 This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, Doug found that our 'Erlend showing off' video on you tube has audio on it from the tape we made for mare owners. We took a small portion of the mare video for this video. He is in the process of re-loading it now. Please be patient, we are novices at uploading for you tube. Thanks, Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Oops....
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Way cool! Peg www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ - Original Message - From: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 5:16 AM Subject: Re: Oops This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ah yes, I played it at home and while we were shopping at Best Buy looking at the computer and the wide screens, one of the computers was connected to the internet, so guess what I called up?! you guessed it! Erlend's Video!! Reena This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, Doug found that our 'Erlend showing off' video on you tube has audio on it from the tape we made for mare owners. We took a small portion of the mare video for this video. He is in the process of re-loading it now. Please be patient, we are novices at uploading for you tube. Thanks, Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Oops....
This message is from: "Reena Giola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ah yes, I played it at home and while we were shopping at Best Buy looking at the computer and the wide screens, one of the computers was connected to the internet, so guess what I called up?! you guessed it! Erlend's Video!! Reena This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, Doug found that our 'Erlend showing off' video on you tube has audio on it from the tape we made for mare owners. We took a small portion of the mare video for this video. He is in the process of re-loading it now. Please be patient, we are novices at uploading for you tube. Thanks, Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Oops....
This message is from: "kelly MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I love that video. The commentary is great, and the editing is awesome. I showed it to my entire family last night :) Erlend is beautiful!! From: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Oops Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:44:52 -0800 This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, Doug found that our 'Erlend showing off' video on you tube has audio on it from the tape we made for mare owners. We took a small portion of the mare video for this video. He is in the process of re-loading it now. Please be patient, we are novices at uploading for you tube. Thanks, Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Oops....
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, Doug found that our 'Erlend showing off' video on you tube has audio on it from the tape we made for mare owners. We took a small portion of the mare video for this video. He is in the process of re-loading it now. Please be patient, we are novices at uploading for you tube. Thanks, Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Oops....
This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oops. I don't know why I don't check my posts better before I send them off. I didn't mean to write that frozen semen is stored with CO2, I should have written liquid nitrogen. My bad. Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Libby DVDs - oops
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I could have sworn I put Brian's address in instead of the list! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
oops...sorry
This message is from: "Cheryl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As you probably know...I goofed. That was supposed to be private to Jo Wilgus. Sorry folks ! :) Cheryl The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Oops. [Was: NFHR website password????]
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neverr mind. I found that I needed to use www.nfhr.com instead. Sorry to bother y'all. DeeAnna
OOPS!
This message is from: "mom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> See below! I am so sorry. I truly did mean to say 13 hands. Be sure and check out the pictures--she is a beauty! Sue Freivald. This message is from: "Curtis Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In regards to the note from Sue Freivald, she made a small typo in saying that Nika "just breaks 12 hands." Nika is about 13.0 hands. You can get a little more info on this lovable mare at: http://www.deepcreekfjords.com/DeepCreek/sale_list.htm. You can also email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We also still have a great 2 year old colt and an excellent 1 year old filly for sale.
Re: oops forgot link
This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, Sorry, no credit card at this time. We had trouble with our paypal account and had to disable it. Will try to re-instate it once paypal assures us the problem is solved. Meanwhile, check is fine. Just let me know how many you'd like and I'll send them. sorry for the inconvenience, but hackers hack. Martie in MD Jean Ernest wrote: >This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Martie, can we buy the Calendars On-line with a credit card? > >Jean in Alaska, cloudy and warm and lots of gnats!
Re: oops forgot link
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martie, can we buy the Calendars On-line with a credit card? Jean in Alaska, cloudy and warm and lots of gnats! >This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Forgot to include my link to the Fjord sales items. sorry, > >http://bolinsj.tripod.com/twinoaksgraphics > >Martie in MD
oops forgot link
This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Forgot to include my link to the Fjord sales items. sorry, http://bolinsj.tripod.com/twinoaksgraphics Martie in MD
Oops! Sorry Re: Guidance for Me?
This message is from: Holly Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just wanted to apologize to the list for that email. It was suppose to be sent to Dave directly. Sometimes a triple check is required. Holly Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
expo oops
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/29/05 8:45:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > kit rogers and family brought lea and > flick, and gave wagon rides as they have for years. > > > - --- > did you mean to say Kit Davis and Lee? > duh, yup. i guess i hadn't had enough coffee when i typed thatwho the heck is kit rogers? must be a country singer :) laurie and oz
Another Oops!
This message is from: "Martha and Guy Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK - I've got a red face too, since I thought I was replying to Julie's email privately as well. I apologize to the list members with digest form as they have just received a lot of repeated text. We're getting ready to take two mares to the LaCrosse evaluation on Saturday, Hedda and Tømmerstall Amerika. This will be the first time in the show ring for horses and handler (Guy). I'm hoping for an Uff-Da free experience! Martha Guy & Martha Martin Tømmerstall Farm 9173 W. Sharpes Corner Rd. Mt. Horeb, WI 53572 (608)832-6202
oops
This message is from: "Joanna Crell " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> oops My bad,didn't mean to pull a tomato tomahto thing , Nice post Birgit, and Brigid, always nice to read yours... Joanna
OOPS!!
This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry folks. That was meant to be sent privately. He said very red faced. Jon & Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords Grand Marais, MN 55604
Another Oops, sort of.
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lunner Graen, the First in Quality among 5-year- olds at Nordfjordeid this Spring, is our Vilde's paternal uncle. Vilde's sire, Takklar, is a half-brother to Lunner Graen. Vilde, by the way, appears to be all better. Yea! Now we can stop compulsively examining her poop. Ain't horsekeeping fun...? Bye, Peg www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Oops....
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Patti Jo has very tactfully pointed out that I left out the final step in reaching the photos of the stallions at Nordfjordeid this May. Once you have reached "Bildearkivet," then select "Hingsteutstilling Nordfjordeid 2003." That works. Sorry, Peg www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Oops forgot- more-four-ups.
This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear list from Brian Jensen; I had just closed down the computer when two more Fjord teams of four came to mind. 1-Ted Svendson--Alberta--CDE& Pleasure 2-MiddletonsSaskatchewan--Parades Aside from the various hitches mentioned being done in the West, there is one more I drove the last time at Libby in unique class. It is a pair on the wheel led by a harnessed tandem hitched in front of the pair. I dubbed it the--suicide hitch--or it could be called a unicorn plus one. Brian J Ursula & Brian Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC, V0E 2G0 Canada 250-547-6303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/
Oops - Tee Shirt Price Increase
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, but I have to make one revision on the tee shirt pricing. I just checked the new postal rates, and I'm going to have to change the shipping charge for 4 to 6 shirts to $8.65. Please keep the pre-orders coming, I still need about three times the number of shirts now requested. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk...the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. --William Shakespeare(1564-1616)
Re: the dressage issue (OOPS)
This message is from: Mariposa Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That was supposed to go to just Amy. Sorry Mark
Erlend Calendar oops
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, Just when you come to rely on computer programs to do the right thing, something happens. Yes, for reasons we haven't figured out, January 2002 on our Erlend progeny calendar was generated off by two days. All the other months look ok. Embarrassing (that we assumed it was ok, that we didn't notice the problem, and that an 84-year-old man in Minnesota who just had bypass surgery was the one to notify us). So, we're generating a corrected January and would like a holler from all those who have already received calendars - we'll send you a replacement January 2002. Also, for those who would still like to order a calendar (corrected version), please send $9 USD to: Knutsen Fjord Farm 2160 Cove Rd. Ellensburg, WA 98926 If you have ordered but not received a calendar, please let us know asap. Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: I'm off to Norway! Oops
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi there List, Boy did I blow it good this time. I forgot to change my mail to Dagron's personal address. So now, Brigid knows all about my request. An I probably embarrassed Dagron to boot. I had to write her an appology : ( My reason was "I'm old" ) Jack
Oops!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/9/2001 1:57:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hi Amy- > > I'd love to have a copy of the picture you sent Sorry folks! Thought I sent that picture directly to Teresa I had at one time had about 20 of these old (vintage) photo's on my web page but have since taken them down. Maybe it's time to put them up again? I see Peg has a couple of them that she's put up on her page, but I have lots more. Including ones of King Oscar, King Gjestar, Karen McCarthy's Sven as a youngster, Rudaren, Rusten (even a couple of Orvil & Rusten working a rope at a branding, and being ridden English & jumping! and pulling a huge round hay bale, and working in a 3 abreast), Harold Jacobsen with the mare Lise & foal Thor, Gene Bauer driving a stallion pair, Kanut doing some jumping, Grabb, the stallion Olger. We inherited all these from Nona Forrester when we bought old Ellinor and Islys from her. If enough people are interested I'll see about putting them back on my web page. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Working with Tinn / Turlock (oops, long)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/21/01 12:27:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I think Brigid Wesson and Jack Long might be "neigh" bors of yours, also too, Cindy Vallecillo. I know they all plan on attending Turlock, perhaps you can Hitch a ride with them? >> We are leaving wed am and returning sun pm, so could give a ride if this schedule works : ) Brigid
Re: Working with Tinn / Turlock (oops, long)
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dagrun, It was really neat to hear about your team efforts with Tinn and Ruthie, and I look forward to meeting you all very soon. I think Brigid Wesson and Jack Long might be "neigh" bors of yours, also too, Cindy Vallecillo. I know they all plan on attending Turlock, perhaps you can Hitch a ride with them? Good Luck and see you all soon! Please email me privately and I will help you to sort out classes the best I can. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV Original Message Follows From: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: Subject: Working with Tinn / Turlock (oops, long) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:49:05 -0700 This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all listers, I am deeply touched by all the warmth I see and hear from you Americans in this time of tragedy. The US now has a special place in my heart. Thought I'd tell you a little about Tinn (Tinngutten) that I am working on together with Ruthie Koch (his owner) and how he's getting on. He is four years old and he is doing great! He had some riding and driving training before Ruthie bought him about a year ago (?) through Betsy (Bauer). Maybe from one of you on the list for all I know? For most of the past year Tinn has just been enjoying life in pasture with his buddies. Then I started working him a little, long-reining and sitting on him. He is great, although I have to say a little slow when it comes to moving forward... Ruthie has been working on groundwork Pat Parelli style, which was new to me and quite fascinating! She also got him a pair of those horse boots that look like sneakers. His forefeet would get a little tender on hard ground but these boots did the trick so he can be kept barefoot. At the moment he is a farrier's nightmare...he is calm and quiet, but his trick is to fall over when he feels he's been holding his foot up long enough. I am sure he might have had some real balance problems to start with, but now he has learned that a human being will rather let go than having a big fjord falling on top of him/her:-) This is a little exaggerated he doesn't actually fall over completely, but he is kneeling so his knee touches the ground. Now we're practicing with his feet and he is doing better and better. He was a sight the first two minutes with the "sneakers", lifting his legs real high and seeming a little confused. but the he realised his feet didn't hurt walking on the rough gravel anymore and he just settled in and was happy. Two weeks ago, I came back from a trip to Norway and Ruthie was all excited about her new cart that had just been delivered. We decided to try hitching him up carefully, after long-reining him and introducing him to the cart. He was more bored than scared, you know, fjord style. The hitching went great, even with some extra time due to adjustments and general clumsiness on our part... He just stood there like an angel. Ruthie stayed by his head with me in the cart and we started going around carefully. He loved it! He has definitely decided that going around the arena with or without a rider on his back is boring. But pulling a cart, that's great fun! Suddenly I had all the forward movement I could ask for! The steering still leaves a little to be desired... but we are doing much better already. Ruthie has tried taking the reins, too, and she is doing great. Even her husband and youngest son have been in the cart and they're just as enthusiastic as us! Yesterday we hitched him up for the fourth or fifth time and he is still great. Now we're both in the cart together. Just around sunset (half-dusk) , a bobcat jumped out and crossed the road just in front of us and he didn't even flinch! These fjords... He has spooked lightly a few times, but his reaction is over in half a sec. Then he stands still and waits for further instructions. Great for Ruthie, who is building up her confidence in riding after her former horse bolted with her. He loves the cart and trots steadily along, being really light and responsive in his mouth. The two things we are working on now are straightness (especially going downhill when he has to hold the cart back - this will be easier when he builds some more muscle, too) and more precision in steering. In trot he steers fairly well but in walk we still have some zig-zagging now and then. I'm no driving expert but I have had the pleasure of driving an extremely well trained horse in Norway (my friend Kneist, fjord stallion) so I have a picture in my mind to work towards. We have also been on a bareback trail ride with Ruthie walking along as his companion. We climbed steep hills up and down (he likes climbing up but was a little unsure going down - we just took it nice and easy and he did great
Working with Tinn / Turlock (oops, long)
This message is from: "Dagrun Aarsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all listers, I am deeply touched by all the warmth I see and hear from you Americans in this time of tragedy. The US now has a special place in my heart. Thought I'd tell you a little about Tinn (Tinngutten) that I am working on together with Ruthie Koch (his owner) and how he's getting on. He is four years old and he is doing great! He had some riding and driving training before Ruthie bought him about a year ago (?) through Betsy (Bauer). Maybe from one of you on the list for all I know? For most of the past year Tinn has just been enjoying life in pasture with his buddies. Then I started working him a little, long-reining and sitting on him. He is great, although I have to say a little slow when it comes to moving forward... Ruthie has been working on groundwork Pat Parelli style, which was new to me and quite fascinating! She also got him a pair of those horse boots that look like sneakers. His forefeet would get a little tender on hard ground but these boots did the trick so he can be kept barefoot. At the moment he is a farrier's nightmare...he is calm and quiet, but his trick is to fall over when he feels he's been holding his foot up long enough. I am sure he might have had some real balance problems to start with, but now he has learned that a human being will rather let go than having a big fjord falling on top of him/her:-) This is a little exaggerated he doesn't actually fall over completely, but he is kneeling so his knee touches the ground. Now we're practicing with his feet and he is doing better and better. He was a sight the first two minutes with the "sneakers", lifting his legs real high and seeming a little confused. but the he realised his feet didn't hurt walking on the rough gravel anymore and he just settled in and was happy. Two weeks ago, I came back from a trip to Norway and Ruthie was all excited about her new cart that had just been delivered. We decided to try hitching him up carefully, after long-reining him and introducing him to the cart. He was more bored than scared, you know, fjord style. The hitching went great, even with some extra time due to adjustments and general clumsiness on our part... He just stood there like an angel. Ruthie stayed by his head with me in the cart and we started going around carefully. He loved it! He has definitely decided that going around the arena with or without a rider on his back is boring. But pulling a cart, that's great fun! Suddenly I had all the forward movement I could ask for! The steering still leaves a little to be desired... but we are doing much better already. Ruthie has tried taking the reins, too, and she is doing great. Even her husband and youngest son have been in the cart and they're just as enthusiastic as us! Yesterday we hitched him up for the fourth or fifth time and he is still great. Now we're both in the cart together. Just around sunset (half-dusk) , a bobcat jumped out and crossed the road just in front of us and he didn't even flinch! These fjords... He has spooked lightly a few times, but his reaction is over in half a sec. Then he stands still and waits for further instructions. Great for Ruthie, who is building up her confidence in riding after her former horse bolted with her. He loves the cart and trots steadily along, being really light and responsive in his mouth. The two things we are working on now are straightness (especially going downhill when he has to hold the cart back - this will be easier when he builds some more muscle, too) and more precision in steering. In trot he steers fairly well but in walk we still have some zig-zagging now and then. I'm no driving expert but I have had the pleasure of driving an extremely well trained horse in Norway (my friend Kneist, fjord stallion) so I have a picture in my mind to work towards. We have also been on a bareback trail ride with Ruthie walking along as his companion. We climbed steep hills up and down (he likes climbing up but was a little unsure going down - we just took it nice and easy and he did great). Along the trails were also some small ditches to cross and he was a little unsure about them but decided to trust me and walk through after some hesitation. To Ruthie's delight, he didn't jump, either, just walked through. Now we are thinking of bringing him to Turlock, just to show him something of the big world and maybe to enter a driving class. I was thinking of the novice cones course, because I assume it works similarly to cones courses in Norway. All these other classes (pleasure and equitation and I don't know what) are very confusing to me... It might be a problem bringing the cart, though. Is there anybody out there who would be willing to lend us a cart for the novice cones course? I hope we manage to bring our own, but just in case... We haven't worked so much on riding yet, and we haven't found a saddle that really fits him so far, so the riding classes wi
Oops - Bug Free
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, APPLE vinegar is what we use, haven't tried other sorts. Sini. sini seppala wrote: > Hi Betty and all, > we sometimes mix vinegar and garlic mash and apply it on the horses. > Smells impressive, works fine, and no chemicals get absorbed into their > skin and system. > Best regards :) > Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html > > Betty Quinlan wrote: > > I found some articles regarding home made fly solutions. One suggestion > > which apparently works is to put 1/4 cup of apple cider vinegar in the horse > > feed. Garlic also works in the feed.f
RE: Oops
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry, i forgot to change the subject line for my post re. Frank Hannesschlager's passing; guess I am a little strung out, tired and griefy... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Oops.
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi again - I'm embarrased to say that I spelled my new filly's name wrong in my last post. It's Vie's Vilde, not Vie's Vilda. I spelled it the way it's pronounced, instead of the way it's spelled. Got that? Bye - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
OOPS!
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List: It was pointed out to me that I put the wrong phone number(mine) on the ad for the two Fjord Geldings for sale. Anyone wishing to contact Sherry Watson for further information should call:218-387-1484 Sorry :-} Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords
Libby, oops forgot
This message is from: "Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all I forgot something in my first posting, the deadline for the FJORD issue of Horse Previews is June 15t. so if you're planning on advertising or sending an article you've got til then.. You can contact them at www.horse-previews.com or e-mail them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Sherrie
Re: Oops - Pardon my Ditto!
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> PPSS!! Sorry!!! Just as my finger hit the send button, I was horrified to see that I had posted the message w/o a subject, dooming my message to be lost forever in the Heap of Anon. OK - NOW I am going to bed. Nite all... Original Message Follows Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:08:56 - This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .Hear Ye!...Hear Ye!!Hear Ye!!! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
OOPS! and other stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was gonna send that Directly to Denise Just a note, I just want to say as a fairly new person to the Fjord breed (2 years) I truly enjoy most all the posts on this list. All the Ideas from Everyone should be put out their for thought and comment sometimes. I do have to admit, When certain people post, I do make sure I catch the list for a few days because I know their will be lots of comments. I commend those people for having the courage to S T R E T C Hour minds. And If you are anything like me, you do a lot of Giggling when you read some of these posts. And the information I have gained from you more experienced people is most valuable. Michele Noonan STevensville, MT
Re: Oops...
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dear peg, how about CEWPID. it rhymes with "stewpid" which i am sure, you are not!!! denise > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Now I reely feel stewpid! I won't be in Colorado Springs next week, the > seminar is in Fort Collins. Like, where the Veterinary School is, not the > Air Force Academy. So Beth and Sandy, don't come to C. Springs, OK?
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This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Now I reely feel stewpid! I won't be in Colorado Springs next week, the seminar is in Fort Collins. Like, where the Veterinary School is, not the Air Force Academy. So Beth and Sandy, don't come to C. Springs, OK? Time for nite-nite, I think - Peg Knutsen
OOPS
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OOPSthe subject was wrong on that last message. I used it to get the address. SORRY!!
Oops, apologies
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I WOULD forget to cut the old message on a post directed in reply to the list owner's spouse! Sorry. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OOPs, That's SECRET SANTA , this elf can't spell
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oops, clarification on bird probs
This message is from: "McInvailles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List: I made a mistake and wanted to clear the air: I wrote that "coccidiomycosis" was a possible disease from birds. I meant to write "coccidiosis"... coccidiomycosis is caused from inhaling mold spores found in soil in SW usa, mexico and central/south america. Psitticosis: is bird transmitted, as I said (inhaled: causes pneumonia). Coccidiosis: is orally transmitted from animals to humans ...and dogs, I guess.(fecal oral transmission) for some strains (other strains it is transmitted fecal/orally from human/human, or by eating infected carnivorous animal) Several different strains (one is Cryptosporidium, fairly well known): causes diarrhea etc. Take home message: wash those hands! Turkey ticks??? I really don't know and don't have any resources at home. I will try to remember to look it up at work. I do know that we get a variety of itchy skin eruptions from birds (like swimming in ponds where ducks live and have droppings), but I am not sure about their mites or ticks. Sorry, I should never type before my morning coffee ! Krissy
OOPs
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please pardon my unfinished posting, I've been having modem/e-mail problems and my system sent the post in the middle of me working on it. Thanks, Sherrie
Re: Spring P.N.F.P.G. - OOPS
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OOPs - did this after a LONG day in the sun. Trying to get it out by the close of business. Well, - maybe it will net me a roommate - of either gender. :) Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
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This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> well, it finally happened to me.. had assorted mail waiting and thought I was replying to a friend regarding the "money can't buy item," not the FJ-list, so never "trimmed" it and got off topic... etc. sorry. Ruthie, nw mt.
OOPS AGain - I am on a roll.
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This would have been the "forget to paste" the address in method. Sorry again. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
-OOPS!
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A quick apology to the list- i think both Gail and I were quite tired and out of it when we replied to each other. Sorry for the "clutter" Karen __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:53 PM 3/3/00 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Karen,' > >Consider two of your clinic spaces GONE! Jim and I are coming. We will >d Oops. I really, really did try to send this privately. Copied the address - all that. But something went awry. Sorry.
Re: naming foals 2000 - oops!
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To early in the morning - just realised that the word "varg" probably doesn't mean "wolf" in Norwegian. It's called "ulv" (which is the Old Scandinavian/Nordic word). Hmmm...wonder what "varg" means...:o) Have to check that up when I go back! Anneli ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology & Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
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This message is from: Walter Monheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Opps got so overwelmed that I couldn't even spell my own state correct. Sorry, happy holiday anyway.
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This message is from: Walter Monheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sorry this was meant to be a personal email.
Oops....wrote wrong address
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I goofed on the address of the American Miniature Horse Association. The correct address is http://www.minihorses.com/amha/ Fred Pack
Re: Oops, tripping, etc.
This message is from: "Starfire Farm, LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Alison Barr wrote: > Do we really need to breed for riding? It seems to me > that they are already there! We have several sizes and shapes of fjords at our farm at the moment. A few are built "uphill", have withers (good for holding the saddle on) have beautiful, but not extravagant trots, and have no problem cantering. One gelding, which I would say is leaning towards the "draft" type, is very tall (at least 15.1h) but incredibly athletic. He's beautiful to watch both at the trot and the canter. As for fjord type, there's no question that he's a fjord. The only thing I would change about him is that he has a relatively small eye and a coarse head (something I've seen in a number of "draft type" fjords.) We also have a couple of mares who are unquestionably fjord type, but are not as "uphill" as the males mentioned earlier. Interestingly enough, these horses tend to trip more and have a bit more trouble with the canter. They are athletic, but it's just not as easy for them to get their forehands off the ground. Good "riding type" horses should have withers and should be built slightly "uphill" to allow for a good saddle fit, and to make the ride more comfortable. That doesn't mean that you have to change the type! Good conversation! Keep it up! Beth -- Beth Beymer & Sandy North Starfire Farm, Berthoud CO www.starfirefarm.com
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Warm bloods were raised for battle, carriage, pleasure, show you name it. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 01/09/2000 7:05:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Just a little reminder that the warmbloods we think of as dressage > horses often have trouble with canter, they are often just bred for the trot. > On the same note, the warmbloods were bred to pull plows...NOT for riding. It seems to me that many of the breeds designed for pulling have "issues" with canter. Probably b/c they never HAD to canter before. Who canters and pulls a plow at the same time? Kate in CT mom to Baldur
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This message is from: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fjord standards.. my point was that the classic type is what we should probably be shooting for, not trying to say that a heavier or lighter ones should be limited. for me, the scarier point of selective breeding is 3 or 4 generations, where you end up with massive guys or ones with long backs or no bone. even then, it's more that the classics might be better, not that the others would be worse. As for breeding for riding type, It seems to me that Wez is pretty classic in type??? And all of the Fjords from the farm I got Fj from jump the 4 foot fence on a regular basis (just ask their neighbour). These are not Fjords of one type, but a collection of some heavier and some lighter. Do we really need to breed for riding? It seems to me that they are already there! Just a little reminder that the warmbloods we think of as dressage horses often have trouble with canter, they are often just bred for the trot.
oops, sorry
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List, Sorry, I meant to send the message re: llamas and sheep to Pat privately. Senior moment, I guess. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Mark and Lisa K. McGinley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry that was meant to be a private response Mark
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, I asked my question before I read the rest of the posts - where it was answered nicely! Jan
Re: fjordhorse-digest V100 & oops
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I accidentally deleted this right in the middle of reading it. Any chance I can have it again?
Re: oops!!/white duns in North America
This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phil is sending me a hard copy of the article, which I'll be glad to have in my files. He said the Fjord is a very interesting breed. I agree Thought I'd pick up a bag of potato chips and see if that will help my problem... HA!! Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > At 06:17 PM 5/24/99 -0800, you wrote: > >This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Bonnie, > > > >Phillip Sponenberg, who you say is a friend of yours, wrote an article on > >"Color in Fjord horses" for the Fjord Herald, Issue #21/22, winter /Spring > >1992. Perhaps Mike has it handy and could copy it and put it on the NFHR > >website. Sponenberg explains the variations in detail. Since you're a > >friend of his, perhaps you could also get a copy of the article from him. > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: oops!!/white duns in North America
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 03:44 PM 5/25/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I find this a bit incredible!! WHY did we translate it to mean "white dun" in the first place, when it does not? Ulsdun, as explained to me by David Klove, means "wool dun" or "wool colored dun". This makes perfect sense to me, as a sheep is not truly white - wool is cream colored, not white. So a "wool dun" is not "white", but creamy. I think we might have short circuited a lot of misunderstanding had we used the right translation in the first place. This was setup way back long before my time I am afraid. I am not sure just who was involved in describing the colors here in North America. Strangely enough though it seems like all of the registries use the same terms. I always refer to Line as "ulsdun" or "wool dun", not white. She, and other Ulsdun horses, are NOT white, they are creamy or wool colored. A "kvit" or "white" Fjord is just that - white. Well perhaps "Wool Dun" would be a better term for them but it would still need an explanation if you had never seen one. What is the bloodline of this mare, Lin? Is she imported, or NA stock? She is imported. Here is her Pedigree: LIN N-14521 N-U-101-M Foaled January 1, 1981 Bred by GABRIEL NAERLAND, NAERBO, NORWAY SAFIR N-1490 HOSAR N-1717 METTE N-12952 HAUGULL N-1821 RANDAR N-1489 LILLI N-13848 NELLI f.1936 TORBJORN N-1417 ERNAR N-1595 EDUNN N-12269 VESLEMOY b f.1977 LUNAR N-1518 LENDA f.1960 TURI N-8694 === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: oops!!/white duns in North America
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > No this horse is registered as an albino. A white > dun has a black stripe > and sometimes some zebra stripes. This one > apparently has no noticeable > dorsal stripe at all. It probably shouldn't be > called an albino to be > technically correct from all of this discussion. > The Norwegians ulsblakk > is what we translate to White Dun. They did > question this in our Breed > Standard. I am now thinking it is because of the > "White" being what this > "Albino" is to them. We kept the "White Dun" term > because to most > Americans Ulsblakk or Uls Dun would not mean > anything. I find this a bit incredible!! WHY did we translate it to mean "white dun" in the first place, when it does not? Ulsdun, as explained to me by David Klove, means "wool dun" or "wool colored dun". This makes perfect sense to me, as a sheep is not truly white - wool is cream colored, not white. So a "wool dun" is not "white", but creamy. I think we might have short circuited a lot of misunderstanding had we used the right translation in the first place. I always refer to Line as "ulsdun" or "wool dun", not white. She, and other Ulsdun horses, are NOT white, they are creamy or wool colored. A "kvit" or "white" Fjord is just that - white. Line has lost some of her creamy color as she ages, and is becoming more white in her main coat, but her face remains "uls". This is just a factor of age I'm sure, as I have only noticed it the last couple of years. > Well this is the only one that I know of in the US. > It was by the way out > of Modellen & Lin. They are both White Dun (with a > black stripe). What is the bloodline of this mare, Lin? Is she imported, or NA stock? Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: oops!!/white duns in North America
This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, sure a pretty little guy! Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
Re: oops!!/white duns in North America
This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Mike: I'm getting a good education here. The Fjord is one of the most interesting breeds, to me. Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 12:24 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 02:46 PM 5/24/99 +, you wrote: > >This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Hi Mike: > > >I'd sure like to see photos of this animal. Also, my friend Phil Sponenberg > >could sure pinpoint his color if I had some pictures to send to him (author > >of Horse Color Genetics). > > I will scan the picture I have but it is of a pretty young horse. It does > show a pink color nose though. > > > > Mike > > > > > === > > Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry > Mike May, Registrar > Voice 716-872-4114 > FAX 716-787-0497 > > http://www.nfhr.com > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >It is on the web site right now. I had to scan it into 2 .pdf files >though. Thanks, Mike! Much easier than me taking apart the Fjord Herald and scanning it on my sheet feeder scanner and now everybody can see it! >I also scanned in the picture of FG LUNA. I made it rather large so you >could scroll around it to get more detail. You can see the pink nose & >blue eyes even. Here is the link: Click on the "A Rare White Fjord - FG LUNA" Great picture! Sure, he is a bit dirty (when ARE these "whites' ever clean?) but it sure shows the blue eyes and pink nose. AND it really proves what they found out about breeding two white duns to each other...You get a blue eyed white! And I bet Sponenberg would call this a cremello or maybe a smokey cream or perlino. I'd sure like to see a picture of him all grown up and just bathed! Mike, are you getting the pictures I'm scanning and sending? How do they look? OK? If so I will send some more, of Adel and Stella, And Anvil's Stellalite, another full sister of Adel's. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Partly cloudy and showers, sun came up before 4:00 AM and goes down near midnight! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:17 PM 5/24/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie, Phillip Sponenberg, who you say is a friend of yours, wrote an article on "Color in Fjord horses" for the Fjord Herald, Issue #21/22, winter /Spring 1992. Perhaps Mike has it handy and could copy it and put it on the NFHR website. Sponenberg explains the variations in detail. Since you're a friend of his, perhaps you could also get a copy of the article from him. It is on the web site right now. I had to scan it into 2 .pdf files though. So it is on the same page with all of the .pfd files. You need the Adobe Acrobat Reader to view these files. If you don't have it, you can get it right from the NFHR web site - Just click on the button for it. Here is the link to the files. You will have to scroll down a bit. http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Documents I also scanned in the picture of FG LUNA. I made it rather large so you could scroll around it to get more detail. You can see the pink nose & blue eyes even. Here is the link: Click on the "A Rare White Fjord - FG LUNA" http://www.nfhr.com/gallery.html or http://www.nfhr.com/gallery/FG%20LUNA.jpg Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 02:46 PM 5/24/99 +, you wrote: This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike: Well, I don't know how they call them in the Fjord family - I don't know if the Fjord has a classification for "white" other than to call him a "white dun." Dun however, does have some color. If the horse was that so far unfound true albino, his eyes would be red (showing the blood in the vessels) just like a white rabbit. Since his eyes are blue, he's either a white horse (which should be very rare in the Fjord) or maybe the registry would call him a white dun, dunno. No this horse is registered as an albino. A white dun has a black stripe and sometimes some zebra stripes. This one apparently has no noticeable dorsal stripe at all. It probably shouldn't be called an albino to be technically correct from all of this discussion. The Norwegians ulsblakk is what we translate to White Dun. They did question this in our Breed Standard. I am now thinking it is because of the "White" being what this "Albino" is to them. We kept the "White Dun" term because to most Americans Ulsblakk or Uls Dun would not mean anything. What really surprises me, is that there is a true white in the Fjord. I didn't know they carried that gene. Well this is the only one that I know of in the US. It was by the way out of Modellen & Lin. They are both White Dun (with a black stripe). In any case, to me this horse should be considered very rare, even if he's not the favorite color of Fjord breeders. On the other hand, if he ends up classified as a "white dun" than he is very rare and desirable? He is very rare. He is the only one we have. I'd sure like to see photos of this animal. Also, my friend Phil Sponenberg could sure pinpoint his color if I had some pictures to send to him (author of Horse Color Genetics). I will scan the picture I have but it is of a pretty young horse. It does show a pink color nose though. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mark and Lisa K. McGinley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "B. Hendricks" wrote: > This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi: > I'm not sure what a "Merle" is... my dog was a blue/black and white > Australian Shepherd You had a "Blue Merle" Mark
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This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean: I'll write to Phil and get a copy of his article. The last seven years have been real hectic for me and I've missed out on a lot. I have both of his books, and while I've "nosed" through them, haven't had a chance to sit down and just read. I'm interested also in asking Phil some other questions that come to mind regarding the duns in the Fjord breed, and what is found in others, as the white or lighter hair fringe on the mane and tail is absent in many other cases, i.e., Quarter Horse, Konik (which is almost always grullo) and etc. I see some differences in the dun horses in the Akhal-Teke breed too, as they have the dorsal stripe but don't seem to have the barring on the legs. Interesting things to ponder! Bonnie P.S. I don't know that I would term any dun a "true dun" and another not a "true dun." To me, a dun is a dun, and they come in lots of shades and variations. A buckskin, however, without the stripes, is not a dun in the sense that the label is used, though it is certainly dun in color. Ha - how's that for making sense? Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 2:17 AM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Bonnie, > > Phillip Sponenberg, who you say is a friend of yours, wrote an article on > "Color in Fjord horses" for the Fjord Herald, Issue #21/22, winter /Spring > 1992. Perhaps Mike has it handy and could copy it and put it on the NFHR > website. Sponenberg explains the variations in detail. Since you're a > friend of his, perhaps you could also get a copy of the article from him.
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie, Phillip Sponenberg, who you say is a friend of yours, wrote an article on "Color in Fjord horses" for the Fjord Herald, Issue #21/22, winter /Spring 1992. Perhaps Mike has it handy and could copy it and put it on the NFHR website. Sponenberg explains the variations in detail. Since you're a friend of his, perhaps you could also get a copy of the article from him. In this article Sponenberg states: (he refers to line backed duns as "zebra duns") [Quote] "In addition to zebra vs mouse vs red duns, some fjord horses also have the palomino gene. This one is interesting in that it barely betrays itself in most instanaces. The palomino (or more precisely, the cremello) gene is abreviated Ccr... The gene is interesting in that in one dose it lightens red to yellow, but does not affect black. In two doses it lightens all colors to cream with blue eyes. In most zebra dun Fjord horses the cremello gene would only cause a subtle difference in color. These would still be zebra duns, but would be yellower rather than a light orangey tan. Since the breed has been selected to be fairly yellow within the zebra dun group, this difference will be subtle within Fjord horses. On mouse duns, the cremello gene in a single dose will be barely noticed, altho it can lighten them somewhat. On red duns it has a pronounced effect. These have very minmaly stripes, are verky yellow, and tend to have white points. These are the Fjord equivalent of palomino. In two doses the cremello gene causes zebra duns to be perlino, mouse duns to be silver smokey, and red duns to b cremello. These are all very similar colored horses with blue eyes, perhaps with minimal striping left over from the dun gene. These are called "Kvit" in Norwegian, which translates as white. White in English refers to pink skinned white horses whith dark eyes, so the translation "white" should be avoided for these horses since they are not truly white. The cremello gene is really a fun gene that is full of surprizes. It is an integral and historic part of the Fjord horse breed and should be considered as such. due to the uniformity of the breed to be pale zebra duns the cremello gene usually skates on through the generations unnoticed--until it pairs up with itself and results in a blue eyed cream horse." [End Quote] There is much more in this aritcle, so I hope Mike can copy it and put it on the NFHR website! In Sponenberg's latest book, Equine color Genetics he also goes into color genetics of fjords as well as all variations of "line-backed" duns, mouse duns, red duns. It is somewhat confusing and hard to understand, but very fascinating. By the way, What is your definition of a "true dun"? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, showers again, and LOTS of mosquitoes! At 04:06 PM 5/24/99 -, you wrote: >This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Jean: > >This is really interesting! I never personally experimented with the white >or dilution genes much, but have friends that deal with it all the time >breeding paints and appaloosas, one being a color geneticist. Personally, >I've had a LOT of experience with the true Dun Factor, and I started both of >the buckskin registries in the US. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean: This is really interesting! I never personally experimented with the white or dilution genes much, but have friends that deal with it all the time breeding paints and appaloosas, one being a color geneticist. Personally, I've had a LOT of experience with the true Dun Factor, and I started both of the buckskin registries in the US. A lot of people think the dun is a dilute, but breeding true duns does not result in whites cremellos, palominos, etc. unless that gene is already there and on both sides. I had a dun stallion some years ago that came from a family in N.D., and because they loved the dun had bred dun-to-dun since 1864. This horse produced nothing but duns and grullos, no matter what color the mare was. It is also possible to produce "buckskin" by breeding palomino to say... bay... and if two such horses are mated it would be possible to produce a palomino or other dilute. Because of this, some people got the idea that breeding "dun" to "dun" produced white or palomino horses, but the truth is, they were dilutes and did not have the true Dun Factor, i.e., primitive striping. What really interests me about the Fjord color, is that now I see they do carry a dilution gene as well, and all this time I thought they only came in true dun. Duh... I haven't looked deeply enough into Fjord color. In early times, way-back-when - this horse must have existed in several different colors? But descended in a good part from the old Northern Dun? At what time did the powers-that-be decide that the dun color was preferred over say, chestnut, etc.? Gosh, back to the books! Anyway, when it comes to horse color genetics I am an idiot (other than dealing with the dun factor) and always just pester Phil or one of my other genetic expert friends. Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 10:22 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Bonnie, > > I am glad to see you mention Sponenberg. I have both of his books and was > about to suggest you look at them. > > Historicly, before much was known about color genetics, the ulsblak or > white dun was quite popular, but fell out of favor because when they bred > two white duns to each other the result was often a BLUE EYED WHITE, which > is what this "albino" sounds like. I do have an article from the Small > Farmers Journal a number of years ago that tells about this era in > Fjordhorse breeding. I'll look it up and share some of it with the list. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it is sunny again after a shower and I > must get off this computer and go play with my Fjords! > > At 02:46 PM 5/24/99 -, you wrote: > >This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Hi Mike: > >Well, I don't know how they call them in the Fjord family - I don't know if > >the Fjord has a classification for "white" other than to call him a "white > >dun." > >I'd sure like to see photos of this animal. Also, my friend Phil Sponenberg > >could sure pinpoint his color if I had some pictures to send to him (author > >of Horse Color Genetics). > > > >Bonnie > > > > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie, I am glad to see you mention Sponenberg. I have both of his books and was about to suggest you look at them. Historicly, before much was known about color genetics, the ulsblak or white dun was quite popular, but fell out of favor because when they bred two white duns to each other the result was often a BLUE EYED WHITE, which is what this "albino" sounds like. I do have an article from the Small Farmers Journal a number of years ago that tells about this era in Fjordhorse breeding. I'll look it up and share some of it with the list. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it is sunny again after a shower and I must get off this computer and go play with my Fjords! At 02:46 PM 5/24/99 -, you wrote: >This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Mike: >Well, I don't know how they call them in the Fjord family - I don't know if >the Fjord has a classification for "white" other than to call him a "white >dun." >I'd sure like to see photos of this animal. Also, my friend Phil Sponenberg >could sure pinpoint his color if I had some pictures to send to him (author >of Horse Color Genetics). > >Bonnie > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: I'm not sure what a "Merle" is... my dog was a blue/black and white Australian Shepherd that we got from a rancher (out of his litter) and she was bred to a dog her same color, actually an accident but one of the kids let her out. Out of five pups, she had two white ones, and I didn't know they was deaf until they was about two months old. That's when the vet first told me about lethal white, and later I began to learn quite a bit about it in horse breeding. Interesting... eh? Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 8:51 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > "B. Hendricks" wrote: > > > > > > > This also occurs in other animals (lethal white) and quite often in > > Australian Shepherd dogs, where if the white pups do survive, they are > > either blind or deaf or both. > > This only happens when two Merles, either Red Merles or Blue Merles are bred > together. The Merling gene is the one that causes the swirling patchy pattern > in an otherwise solid color Aussie. It's also a recessive gene. There is a 25% > chance (genetically) of getting a lethal white. Some breeders don't breed Merle > to Merle crosses for this reason. This is also why even excessively white > healthy dogs are faulted at shows. > > Mark McGinley > Mariposa > > >
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This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike: Well, I don't know how they call them in the Fjord family - I don't know if the Fjord has a classification for "white" other than to call him a "white dun." Dun however, does have some color. If the horse was that so far unfound true albino, his eyes would be red (showing the blood in the vessels) just like a white rabbit. Since his eyes are blue, he's either a white horse (which should be very rare in the Fjord) or maybe the registry would call him a white dun, dunno. What really surprises me, is that there is a true white in the Fjord. I didn't know they carried that gene. I'm sure learning a lot on this list - I thought they were all "duns" of varying shades. True dun (with dorsal striping, etc.) is not the result of the dilution gene found in the palomino - and true dun does not come with blue eyes. So my head is swimming with questions. Do the Fjords have white markings sometimes? Not that white markings are connected to the dilution gene, but I just had the impression they didn't have white markings. I guess I need to go look closer at the Fjord pictures. In any case, to me this horse should be considered very rare, even if he's not the favorite color of Fjord breeders. On the other hand, if he ends up classified as a "white dun" than he is very rare and desirable? I'd sure like to see photos of this animal. Also, my friend Phil Sponenberg could sure pinpoint his color if I had some pictures to send to him (author of Horse Color Genetics). Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 5:49 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >it is termed "lethal white" because the foal dies in utero. If one does make > >it to term, it dies very quickly. > > No I have never heard this. Anyone else? Brian J??? > > > So is it a White dun then even though it doesn't have any of the "Dun" > markings? > > Or is it a "White Horse" > > > === > > Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry > Mike May, Registrar > Voice 716-872-4114 > FAX 716-787-0497 > > http://www.nfhr.com > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "B. Hendricks" wrote: > > > This also occurs in other animals (lethal white) and quite often in > Australian Shepherd dogs, where if the white pups do survive, they are > either blind or deaf or both. This only happens when two Merles, either Red Merles or Blue Merles are bred together. The Merling gene is the one that causes the swirling patchy pattern in an otherwise solid color Aussie. It's also a recessive gene. There is a 25% chance (genetically) of getting a lethal white. Some breeders don't breed Merle to Merle crosses for this reason. This is also why even excessively white healthy dogs are faulted at shows. Mark McGinley Mariposa
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:51 AM 5/24/99 +, you wrote: This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Did you know that the albino does not exist in the horse? What people call albinos in horses are simply white horses. When albinism occurs in the horse it is termed "lethal white" because the foal dies in utero. If one does make it to term, it dies very quickly. No I have never heard this. Anyone else? Brian J??? So is it a White dun then even though it doesn't have any of the "Dun" markings? Or is it a "White Horse" === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:41 AM 5/24/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:43 AM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Modellen has 27 Brown Dun, 18 White Dun & 1 Albino registered with the NFHR. It would be interesting to know is the "albino" has pink skin.., etc. and is really an albino or just without a stripe like Anvil's Solvaktig and my filly Anvil's Adel. Do you have a picture of this horse, Mike? Well the picture I have is a pretty bad one. It does show a pink nose though.There isn't any black in the face, it is all white. From the notes that the previous registrar left I can tell you this: It has no dorsal stripe. His skin is pink and he has blue eyes & white hooves. He was registered by an approval of the BOD due to these circumstances. He is a gelding by the way. Mike, I am working on sending you those pictures of Solvaktig and Adel..will send one for a test today. If you do have a picture of that albino, could you scan and send it to me? Well it is pretty poor but I will see what I can do with it. Got the picture of Solvaktig. can't really tell much without the look at the mane though. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Did you know that the albino does not exist in the horse? What people call albinos in horses are simply white horses. When albinism occurs in the horse it is termed "lethal white" because the foal dies in utero. If one does make it to term, it dies very quickly. This also occurs in other animals (lethal white) and quite often in Australian Shepherd dogs, where if the white pups do survive, they are either blind or deaf or both. But albinos do not survive in any of the equines. It can also happen in breeding Appaloosas and Paints, where too many white genes combine to produce lethal white. It happens much more often than is realized, as the foals die in the uterus and are absorbed. Just thought I'd toss two cents in. I'd like to see more photos of the white duns in the Fjord. Its certainly interesting, I did not know they came in so many shades of dun. Bonnie Monthly Horse articles, Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com What's a Cerbat Horse? Check it out at the site below http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 24, 1999 3:41 PM Subject: Re: oops!!/white duns in North America > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 09:43 AM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: > >This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Modellen has 27 Brown Dun, 18 White Dun & 1 Albino registered with the NFHR. > > It would be interesting to know is the "albino" has pink skin.., etc. and > is really an albino or just without a stripe like Anvil's Solvaktig and > my filly Anvil's Adel. Do you have a picture of this horse, Mike
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:43 AM 5/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Modellen has 27 Brown Dun, 18 White Dun & 1 Albino registered with the NFHR. It would be interesting to know is the "albino" has pink skin.., etc. and is really an albino or just without a stripe like Anvil's Solvaktig and my filly Anvil's Adel. Do you have a picture of this horse, Mike? > >Not sure if you knew it or not but Modellen died earlier this year from >colic. So sorry to hear this..He was really a nice stallion. > >It is also interesting to note that while looking at this date I noticed >that only Modellen has ever sired more than 2 White Dun's. In Canada, Orville and Anita Unrau's stallion Leidjo (N1945)(C370) who was imported from Norway has sired at least 7 'white duns' (including possible misnamed yellows, etc.) and at least 4 greys out of 75 offspring listed. (I just accessed the Canadian Fjord Horse Association CLR page and counted them up) Mike, I am working on sending you those pictures of Solvaktig and Adel..will send one for a test today. If you do have a picture of that albino, could you scan and send it to me? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another great sunny day, the sun rose at 4:00AM and will set about 11:40PM today and the Alaska range is shining white on the horizon to the south. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:56 AM 5/21/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How many white offspring does Modellen have now? Modellen is distantly related to Line and Stella by the way. Modellen has 27 Brown Dun, 18 White Dun & 1 Albino registered with the NFHR. Not sure if you knew it or not but Modellen died earlier this year from colic. >We also >have a white dun imported from Norway, How many in NA that you know of Mike? Well there are 37 White Dun's registered with NFHR. This includes any deceased horses too. There are only 6 that were imported from Norway. 5 of the are mares and Modellen. It is also interesting to note that while looking at this date I noticed that only Modellen has ever sired more than 2 White Dun's. Actually only Karibu & Grabbson have sired 2 White's. Mike
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can list most of the white duns(and/or yellows?) related to Mary Thurman's Line and my mare Stella: Stella's offspring: Anvil's Stina and Anvil's Solvaktig(no stripe) Stina's offspring: Anvils Edderkopp (black stripe), Anvil's Sander (no stripe), Anvil's Stellalite (black stripe), Anvil's Salomon (no stripe), Anvil's Adel (no stripe) Stina has had at least one more stud colt, white with black stripe...I don't know his name. Anita Unrau could update us on this? How many white offspring does Modellen have now? Modellen is distantly related to Line and Stella by the way. Laura, what is the name of the white dun you have, and what are the bloodlines? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another gorgeous day with 19 hours, 15 minutes of possible sunshine! 65 degrees forecast. We also >have a white dun imported from Norway, How many in NA that you know of Mike? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for repeating a post I was not sure if Forward was working! We also have a white dun imported from Norway, How many in NA that you know of Mike? Laura of the Hollow Ps. Anyone know how Holunder is doing, I have two of his mares one bred in Holland one in the U.S. they are super ponies.
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry everyone. Meant to send my last post to Jean's private email. Many apologies. Mary == Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Mark and Lisa K. McGinley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ceacy wrote: > This message is from: ceacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ...But as is true in all livestock, the breeding male has the potential of > producing more > offspring in his breeding career than does the female, and thus the > importance of selecting a breeding male that exhibits the qualities you are > selecting for takes on a disproporionate amount of importance . It is more > important perhaps in the big picture , as in your total program, but not on > an individual basis > An excellent point. Thanks for bringing that up. Although it is a bit of the chicken and the egg... the only reason that stallions produce a lot of offspring per stallion is that there aren't a lot of stallions. If I had one stallion and one or two mares and bred them every year I think that I would search harder for the perfect mare instead of the stallion do to your reasons about how much the mare imparts in nurturing versus the stallions nature. Mark McGinley Mariposa Washburn, WI
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This message is from: ceacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry guys, I sent my last post to the wrong list!!! Obviously it was meant for the clicker training list, so if it didn't make any sense to you , that's why. As far as stallion evaluation versus mare evaluations, the Dutch and Norwegians do put a great deal of emphasis on the mares. But as is true in all livestock, the breeding male has the potential of producing more offspring in his breeding career than does the female, and thus the importance of selecting a breeding male that exhibits the qualities you are selecting for takes on a disproporionate amount of importance . It is more important perhaps in the big picture , as in your total program, but not on an individual basis. I have always believed that the mare contributes more to the offspring, but not genetically speaking, since as it is understood now, both parents contribute 50% of the foals genetic material. But the mare raises the foal and thus her qualities such as milking and mothering ability, her temperament, etc. will effect the foal in ways that the stallion cannot. What you are referring to in your comment about a mare that can be bred to any stallion and still produce a good foal, is called prepotency. An animal that contributes a trait very consistently is said to be prepotent for that characteristic. I would like to add however, that what you see, the phenotype, is only part of the genetic material an individual is carrying, the genotype. It is really very difficult to assign an origin of many characteristics in an offspring because although one of the parents may show those characteristics and the other doesn't, it does not mean that the parent that doesn't show the characteristic does not carry it in their genotype. The only way you can say anything about a stallion's prepotency in any given characteristic is to see many, many offspring, far more than any stallion in this country is likely to produce. Occasionally you will see a characteristic that will appear to be linked with a given stallion, and it is fair to look for those characteristics as possibly be connected and pay attention to it, but it is better to be cautious in assigning the origin of characteristics to one individual or the other.
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This message is from: "Mark and Lisa K. McGinley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry I sent the Aussie stuff to the list instead of just donna Mark
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This message is from: Nancy Lehnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy from icy,rainy NW Montana! Lisa, I am jealous but not for long. We will be heading to AZ & CA around th 17th to catch some sun, visit Lou's grandkids and ride Harleys (motorcycles - at least they start with an H as in horse!). Will probably need a horse fix somewhere along the line so if you live in those areas, look out, you may get a desperate call to come pet one of your horses! I keep putting the Sunday chat session on my list and it always seems to run into a conflict but hope sometime to make it! Sorry about the typos in the last E-mail. I had copied that part from a Word document and I guess it does some strange things when sent over the net. So, here is the correct info about the sculpture " Nordic Dance" and hope it comes thru okay this time: There are only 35 sculptures in this limited edition. The patina (the color) can be traditional Classic French bronze or patterned after the brown dun. Each numbered piece is unique in its coloration. It measures13 1/4 X 7 inches and is priced at $495.00. If you have any questions or would like to place an order, contact Jane Campion at Box 161, Buffalo, WY 82834, or telephone (307) 684-0122. Sini, your comments about hills helping sway backs was terrific. "One thing which we think is very important to all horses is climbing, and for Fjords it may be even more natural than to many others. There is one Fjord mare here in Finland who is 18 years old, has had 8 foals - and looks like a 9-year old. We think her secret is that she climbs steep hills regularly. Our oldest mare's swayback, too, straightened out when we added extra climbing sessions to our trail rides." We have had older mares who had raised as many as 17 foals and still were not swayed backed even though their backs could be considered a little on the long side. Maybe it had to do with some good King Herald bloodlines but I think the hills in their pasture had a lot to do with it but I never really realized it until you mentioned the connection. Thank you! HAPPY NEW YEAR! Nancy & Lou
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This message is from: "Werner, Kristine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi -Just to let you know that I know exactly what you mean. I had problems with my Kai from the beginning. In a word - try experimenting with your horse, if you really like him and think the time and effort might be worth your while then it probably will be. Remember - little things mean alot to horses - its all about body language and gestures. With Kai, for example, it suddenly dawned on me to stop in my tracks whenever I noticed that he would begin to turn his head as I approached him (whereas I used to continue the approach and pet him, sulking, that he seemed so indifferent and not knowing why). Now I wait for him to turn back and look at me and take a step towards me before I continue to move toward him. Don`t ask me why he "ducks" - is he shy ? could he not care less ? No idea - but I seem to think he is showing submission - but in order for him to submit, I have to dominate - and this is (in my opinion) a very complicated thing - at least for novices. Watch yourself around your horse, your movements, your attitudes - give him time to approach you. So often we humans start in without thinking and all the while our horses don`t know what to make of us because we are not speaking their language but forcing ours on them (in certain cases - my own, for example.) No wonder they are sometimes rude or otherwise disobedient. We teach them to be so. Another thing I realized is that my horse is absolutely intelligent ! I knew it all along of course, but never really tested it out. One time I stood there and held up Kai´s halter - fully expecting him to stick his head in it - and do you know what - he did ! I thought that was so fantastic, I began operating under the motto - if I expect mor from him, he will willingly oblige - I just have to ask. Nowadays my friendship with Kai is much much better. We "click", which is something I never thought I would be saying about us. We go on hour-long walks - climb over stumps and branches and other little gymnastic exercises. When I ride he is absolutley obedient. (Therefore I decided at one point to cut out, for example, the longing, which he hates.) Time and challenge strengthens bonds, just like the others have said. I agree wholeheartedly. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Dienstag, 17. November 1998 03:32 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Oops! More info! > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) > > I am looking for a sweet horse if you want to find a good home for > him. Jean :) > > > >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >In a message dated 11/16/98 15:04:29 Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >writes: > > > ><< He's a sweet horse and I have nothing against him, I just don't > > have a "connection" with him. Has anyone else ever had that problem > or is > > it just me? >> > > > >It's not just you. Just as certain people seem to click, and others > can > >grate, it's the same with horse relationships. Luckily, my own > personal > >horses and I have always been on the same wavelength, but with some > it takes > >longer than others. I know Juniper and I did not have an instant > rapport, but > >it developed as we went through some rough times and some good times > together. > >Sometimes also you need to just relax and do nothing with your horse. > Take a > >long walk together, or sit with him while he grazes, scratch his neck > >occasionally, asking nothing of him. Sounds silly, I know, but it IS > a good > >way to develop a bond. Just being together. No expectations. > Give > >yourself and your horse some more time and maybe it will happen for > you. > > > >Pamela > >Hoping this makes sense to you > > > Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) I am looking for a sweet horse if you want to find a good home for him. Jean :) >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In a message dated 11/16/98 15:04:29 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes: > ><< He's a sweet horse and I have nothing against him, I just don't > have a "connection" with him. Has anyone else ever had that problem or is > it just me? >> > >It's not just you. Just as certain people seem to click, and others can >grate, it's the same with horse relationships. Luckily, my own personal >horses and I have always been on the same wavelength, but with some it takes >longer than others. I know Juniper and I did not have an instant rapport, but >it developed as we went through some rough times and some good times together. >Sometimes also you need to just relax and do nothing with your horse. Take a >long walk together, or sit with him while he grazes, scratch his neck >occasionally, asking nothing of him. Sounds silly, I know, but it IS a good >way to develop a bond. Just being together. No expectations.Give >yourself and your horse some more time and maybe it will happen for you. > >Pamela >Hoping this makes sense to you > Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/16/98 15:04:29 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << He's a sweet horse and I have nothing against him, I just don't have a "connection" with him. Has anyone else ever had that problem or is it just me? >> It's not just you. Just as certain people seem to click, and others can grate, it's the same with horse relationships. Luckily, my own personal horses and I have always been on the same wavelength, but with some it takes longer than others. I know Juniper and I did not have an instant rapport, but it developed as we went through some rough times and some good times together. Sometimes also you need to just relax and do nothing with your horse. Take a long walk together, or sit with him while he grazes, scratch his neck occasionally, asking nothing of him. Sounds silly, I know, but it IS a good way to develop a bond. Just being together. No expectations.Give yourself and your horse some more time and maybe it will happen for you. Pamela Hoping this makes sense to you
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This message is from: Jodie Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not having a "connection" with a horse is a common ailment, I think. At least, I have certainly experienced it. Now, it is possible not to have a "connection" even with a Fjord--but it is much more unlikely!! :) Thanks for the details--and I know what you mean about trail riding/time/kids. My daughter is 11 months old. I actually take her with me on rides up to three hours (backpack), but if the weather is threatening to rain (which it does pretty much all the time here from Nov. to March :( ), I don't like to take her out. I don't want her to get soaked/chilled! She loves to ride, though, and Leah my current horse (Fjord borrowed from my folks) is very tolerant of the extra passenger. ta ta for now, --- Jodie Gilmore Freelance Technical Writer Washougal, WA
