Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: Debbie Hunt huntdebbi...@yahoo.com I generally do not comment much here but rather read all of the excellent advice and information but thought I could share my experience with muzzles as muzzles are my life living in The Bluegrass State.  I board my Fjord so have to follow the barn turnout schedule. They do not have a dry lot but thank goodness have agreed to make one of the smaller paddocks a dry lot this Spring.  He will be turned out there with another horse. I have owned him for seven years and it has been extremely challenging to keep weight off when there is not a dry lot and he on turnout 10 hours a day on average. Even with the muzzle 10 months/year, he has gradually gained weight every year. I have recently had to change his exercise and diet routine to get weight off. Since October, he has lost about 100 lbs but needs to lose 100-150 more. One of the changes was muzzling year round along with major diet and exercise changes. I started using a grazing muzzle when I got him and have found that he is fussy for a few days each year when I put it on him the beginning of Spring. He is Houdini however! I have had to be very creative so he doesn't get the muzzle off. It is amazing how creative they get when they want to get that muzzle off. His pasture buddies even help him at times. There are a few things I do to make sure the muzzle does not come off. I also use the Best Friend brand. I have tried every brand on the market and find this one to be sturdy and the horse size fits him well. I buy the one that you attach to a halter and I: 1. Use electrical tape or duct tape around all the keepers2. Line the top of the muzzle and cheek pieces of the halter with fleece3. Put a fly mask over the grazing muzzle Spring thru Fall to help keep it on Now that I will be keeping the muzzle on year round, he won't have the annual adjustment period in the Spring.  They also make a muzzle plug and I bought one but have not used it. It is a rubber disc that lays flat in the muzzle to plug the hole. It has velcro straps to attach to the muzzle. If dry lot is not an option, at least they can go out with the muzzle and/or muzzle with muzzle plug to restrict intake.  I am going to see how it goes in the Spring and if the dry lot is really a dry lot. I may have to use the plug depending on his weight. Kentucky horse people are used to easy keeper thoroughbreds and everything is relative from amount you feed your horses to blanketing! Everyone wants to treat him like a thoroughbred and he is quite the opposite. They can't believe how little it takes to sustain a Fjord and that you don't need to blanket them when it is 50 degrees :-) Go with the muzzle, she will do fine! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Heather....Henry and his grazing muzzle....
This message is from: Jeanne Zuker jmzu...@att.net Heather, I think Henry is trying to 'wear you down' so you just take the darn thing off him. Can you put it on him, give him a 'nice boy pat' and walk away out of the pasture? Could you go to the barn or out of sight of him and do the occasional peak? I think he has YOU figured out and is working it for all his might. Remember Fjords are very smart, and they know how to 'work it' with us. LOL If the grass is not too short, then he should be just fine. He knows how it works and eats when you offer the food. Get out of his sight, don't stay with him, I bet he eats within a few minutes when he sees this isn't working on you anymore. Good luck. Fjords! Man they are just too smart and cute, they really know how to 'mess with us.' :) Jeanne and Monty (who says HE really could have helped fix the wheelbarrow!) :) 70's today a really nice breeze, perfect! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Heather....Henry and his grazing muzzle....
This message is from: jgayle jga...@techline.com I'll say Fjords are smart. Gunnar has become friendlier since my last cat died and the dogs are all gone. I was down town one day and when I drove up the road to the house I could see Gunnar grazing along the fence by the four minis, all girls! He had pushed open his gate that I had not closed properly. He could have romped down the road to freedom, but preferred the girls. There was considerable resistance to my returning him to his field but we made it. Later I looked out the window and he was working on the sliding board that holds his gate shut. Bet he will figure it out soon. Jean Gayle Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Best Friends Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com In a message dated 6/23/2009 5:11:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mkserge...@gmail.com writes: For those who have this brand - which size did you choose? I was looking at the oversize (for large headed breeds). The large size fits both my big headed gelding and smaller headed mare. We introduced the muzzle by putting in a few supplement cookies, and starting out with 30 minutes of grazing in the muzzle for 3 days. We then increased the time by 30 minutes every other day. Della has done fine and quickly mastered the art of grazing through the muzzle hole, but we keep the pasture short. She spends 5 hours a day in the muzzle, and one hour of free grazing time. The rest of the time is in the dry lot. So far, Jostein and Hanna are holding their weight with six hours of grazing time. There is always a good bit of excitement when the grazing muzzle comes out because they all know that there are cookies at the bottom (Joe learned that he could reach into the tack room to grab the waiting muzzle while I was putting on the girls' fly masks - now the muzzle is hung up and back until fly masks are on). Kate with Joe, Hanna, and the girl we lovingly call Fatty Fatty Boom Boom **Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood0005) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Best Friends Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Hello All, It's time that Henry is introduced to the grazing muzzle and I am ready to purchase the deluxe BFF grazing muzzle. For those who have this brand - which size did you choose? I was looking at the oversize (for large headed breeds). He wears a warmblood halter (regular won't fit) - so that gives you an idea of his large head (which is all smarts!). Opinions, words of wisdom on grazing muzzles - most appreciated. I am sure that Houdini Junior will figure out how to get it off - but going to try it never-the-less. Heather __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Best Friends Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: MARY SERGEANT mkserge...@gmail.com Heather, I recently purchased Best Friends grazing muzzles for both my Fjord mares. Check the measurements on the website. I thought I would need the large horse size for my draft mare, but I measured and then ordered the regular horse size for both. I think the regular horse size is 26 in diameter and 8 deep. One mare was 21.5 and one was 23 (measured firmly against their heads). The regular horse muzzles fit both fine. Based on advice from the list, I introduced them both to the muzzles by putting treats in first. Being Fjords, they were both excited about that and figured out immediately that they had to rest the muzzle on the ground to get the treats. Now they ask for the muzzle when they see it. We're having a little more trouble with them eating the pasture grass. It is belly high right now. They are working on a side to side technique to get the top of the grass in the muzzle. The few places where the grass is short they've had an easier time. So far they haven't tried to get it off...sweet Ingrid probably won't try; Nellie probably will and may succeed. They haven't had them on for any long period of time yet. Good luck Mary in Colorado with Ingrid and Nellie On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com wrote: This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Hello All, For those who have this brand - which size did you choose? I was looking at the oversize (for large headed breeds). Opinions, words of wisdom on grazing muzzles - most appreciated. Heather __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: Frederick J Pack friendlyf...@hughes.net Valerie, did you get my private message about the LaminaSaver product you asked privately about?? I sent it with High importance and a return receipt and have heard nothing back. My message may be in your spam folder. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 brass-ring-f...@juno.com Just wanted to know if anyone out there has had experience with a horse with laminitis that overnight turned into a sinker. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Just wanted to know if anyone out there has had experience with a horse with laminitis that overnight turned into a sinker. That's the founder that does not rotate but sinks straight down, sometimes the bone pierces the sole, though not in this case, yet. The vet/farrier was out here for 2 hours this morning. Handy to have him in the practice. She did not require sedating, though the older vet did that on Monday to do the xrays. This guy put on a custom made bar shoe on her left foot to support it, then made a bar hospital shoe for the right, with play-do and silicone in it. It has a metal plate that removes from the bottom to look at the sole without taking the whole shoe off, and you can also add medicines in there. That would be if her bone penetrates the sole. Both my regular farrier and both vets say if that happens I might as well give up, and they seem to think it is inevitable. Sad. At least this way I can enjoy her now and if it comes to that I will have had time to prepare (whatever that means). It is just so hard to see this big hulking horse with gleaming summer coat and bright eyes and beautiful tail to the floor and all that is wrong with her is one stupid foot. She is not in a lot of pain, at least it is controlled with the bute and banamine, she moves around her sand paddock and wonders why she can't graze. Valerie and poor Sydney Columbia, CT Click here for the best streaming video solutions on the web! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTE3AqIsJBnqxDKOIvHnUe5DH61UEmsjMBthLS7CszaJlcxuE6oDAU/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: Genie Dethloff gdp...@comcast.net Hi Valerie, I'm so sorry you are having such serious problems with Sydney. I know you love her a lot and it must have been hard to watch this progress over the last few months even while giving her the best of care. I hope she will recover but if not that she can be kept comfortable. Is she your only riding horse now at home? -- Genie Dethloff Killingworth, Connecticut Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net Hi Valerie, Join this group. They will do everything they can to help you. ech...@yahoogroups.com It may also pay to ask there where to join to get info on supplements...things to do to help. I feel so bad that this happened. These people can often help. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net I've just finished rehabbing my boss's Paso Fino who had a pretty severe rotation in all four feet and then abscessed in both front feet. She is now sound in the pasture and arena and rides fine with Renegade boots on rockier trails. I think foundered horses heal so much quicker going into padded boots rather than shoes for rehab. Some of the people of barefoothorsecare in yahoo groups have had experience and success with sinkers and you might get more detailed help. Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: jen frame jenfra...@gmail.com I was just going to mention Renegade boots, and then some one else did. Call Kirt at Renegade boots, and tell him what is going on. He will talk you through how to heal her foot so you don't have to put her down. He is amazing. You'd be surprised at how many vets and farriers reccomend putting down foundered horses with the coffin bone piercing through the sole, and how many of these horses get rehabbed and live happy healthy pain free lives when a Natural Hoofcare specialist helps them out.I wish you and your mare the best. I totally feel for you, Jen (whose Fjord LOVES her Renegade boots!) On 5/7/09, Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net wrote: This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net I've just finished rehabbing my boss's Paso Fino who had a pretty severe rotation in all four feet and then abscessed in both front feet. She is now sound in the pasture and arena and rides fine with Renegade boots on rockier trails. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com The note from Jen frame is interesting... I looked up the renegade boots... They really look good to me. I'd love to get some for Liz to prevent any problems..(Cavella) I have some boots for her that I use as I don't put shoes on her. They work okay but are cumbersome and hard to put on with my arthritic hands. Wonder if the guy she mentioned could help if your vets would be willing to talk and share information. Sometimess that's touchy between vets.. and the extent of damage already done may make a difference too. - Original Message - From: brass-ring-f...@juno.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: gone beyond the grazing muzzle This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Just wanted to know if anyone out there has had experience with a horse with laminitis that overnight turned into a sinker. That's the founder that does not rotate but sinks straight down, sometimes the bone pierces the sole, though not in this case, yet. The vet/farrier was out here for 2 hours this morning. Handy to have him in the practice. She did not require sedating, though the older vet did that on Monday to do the xrays. This guy put on a custom made bar shoe on her left foot to support it, then made a bar hospital shoe for the right, with play-do and silicone in it. It has a metal plate that removes from the bottom to look at the sole without taking the whole shoe off, and you can also add medicines in there. That would be if her bone penetrates the sole. Both my regular farrier and both vets say if that happens I might as well give up, and they seem to think it is inevitable. Sad. At least this way I can enjoy her now and if it comes to that I will have had time to prepare (whatever that means). It is just so hard to see this big hulking horse with gleaming summer coat and bright eyes and beautiful tail to the floor and all that is wrong with her is one stupid foot. She is not in a lot of pain, at least it is controlled with the bute and banamine, she moves around her sand paddock and wonders why she can't graze. Valerie and poor Sydney Columbia, CT Click here for the best streaming video solutions on the web! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTE3AqIsJBnqxDKOIvHnUe5DH61UEmsjMBthLS7CszaJlcxuE6oDAU/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f 05:57:00 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: Kristen L. Andersen w6...@me.com Watching Pete Ramey's DVDs on natural hoof care has completely changed how I think of the hoof, It is amazing what he has done with horses who would otherwise be though of as a lost cause! Have hope, there are some wonderful natural hoofcare practitioners out there helping horses who have the same problem as your girl. Pete's site is: http://www.hoofrehab.com/ The trimmer I use was trained by Pete and has made a world of difference with my boy's feet. Where are you located? I can ask my guy if he has any recommendations for resources in your area. Cheers, -Kristen On May 7, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Beth Pulsifer wrote: This message is from: Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com The note from Jen frame is interesting... I looked up the renegade boots... They really look good to me. I'd love to get some for Liz to prevent any problems..(Cavella) I have some boots for her that I use as I don't put shoes on her. They work okay but are cumbersome and hard to put on with my arthritic hands. Wonder if the guy she mentioned could help if your vets would be willing to talk and share information. Sometimess that's touchy between vets.. and the extent of damage already done may make a difference too. - Original Message - From: brass-ring-f...@juno.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: gone beyond the grazing muzzle This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Just wanted to know if anyone out there has had experience with a horse with laminitis that overnight turned into a sinker. That's the founder that does not rotate but sinks straight down, sometimes the bone pierces the sole, though not in this case, yet. The vet/farrier was out here for 2 hours this morning. Handy to have him in the practice. She did not require sedating, though the older vet did that on Monday to do the xrays. This guy put on a custom made bar shoe on her left foot to support it, then made a bar hospital shoe for the right, with play-do and silicone in it. It has a metal plate that removes from the bottom to look at the sole without taking the whole shoe off, and you can also add medicines in there. That would be if her bone penetrates the sole. Both my regular farrier and both vets say if that happens I might as well give up, and they seem to think it is inevitable. Sad. At least this way I can enjoy her now and if it comes to that I will have had time to prepare (whatever that means). It is just so hard to see this big hulking horse with gleaming summer coat and bright eyes and beautiful tail to the floor and all that is wrong with her is one stupid foot. She is not in a lot of pain, at least it is controlled with the bute and banamine, she moves around her sand paddock and wonders why she can't graze. Valerie and poor Sydney Columbia, CT Click here for the best streaming video solutions on the web! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTE3AqIsJBnqxDKOIvHnUe5DH61UEmsjMBthLS7CszaJlcxuE6oDAU/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f 05:57:00 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Joe vs. The Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com I try really hard to do right by my Fjords, and now that they have pastures, that means either keeping them off the pasture, or keeping them in grazing muzzles for part of the time. So, I introduced the grazing muzzles. The plan is to have them in muzzles for 2 hours, pasture for 4 hours, and dry lot for the rest. Della is a bit dejected by the whole thing, and comes at a gallop when I arrive to remove the muzzle, but she has pretty much gotten with the program and is working the grass through the muzzle. Joe, of course, is another story entirely, and is not going to give in to this indignity. Rather than figuring out how to eat through it, he is spending his time rubbing and shaking it. Today I came out to the pasture to remove the muzzle to find that he has managed to complete rip the base of the muzzle off of the halter. I've sent a note to the folks at Best Friends, and they are amazed that he could do this so cleanly without benefit of tools. I am ordering a replacement because darn it, he's the horse and I'm the person...and ...andwellthat has to count for something, right!? Kate with Della (the good girl) and Joe (the other one) **The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi0002) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Joe vs. The Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: plumg...@pon.net plumg...@pon.net There is a very simple orange bucket muzzle. They are harder to get off and chafe less, I am told. Has anyone every tried one on a Fjord (I suspect they may not be big enough). Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Joe vs. The Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net Hi Kate, When I was first getting Tyra (Fjord) and Star (Paso fino) used to the muzzles (I still do this for Star), I pack fine hay in the bottom and put one or two horse cookies in there. They are so busy getting the goodies that they forget they don't like the muzzle and by the time they're done they're less prone to take it off. Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Joe vs. The Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: katesei...@aol.com Yeah - they get the cookies in the bottom, and good little Della actually comes trotting when she sees it.? Joe is just a horse of a different color. Kate When I was first getting Tyra (Fjord) and Star (Paso fino) used to the muzzles (I still do this for Star), I pack fine hay in the bottom and put one or two horse cookies in there. They are so busy getting the goodies that they forget they don't like the muzzle and by the time they're done they're less prone to take it off.? -Original Message- From: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 4:02 pm Subject: Re: Joe vs. The Grazing Muzzle This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net? ? Hi Kate,? ? When I was first getting Tyra (Fjord) and Star (Paso fino) used to the muzzles (I still do this for Star), I pack fine hay in the bottom and put one or two horse cookies in there. They are so busy getting the goodies that they forget they don't like the muzzle and by the time they're done they're less prone to take it off.? ? Cherie ? Important FjordHorse List Links:? Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e? FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw? Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f? ? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: grazing muzzle
This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the Best Friends muzzle. On 6/16/08 8:49 PM, debora seely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: debora seely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, nbsp;nbsp; What kind of muzzle do you have? nbsp; Deb Seely --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Linda Lottie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Linda Lottie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: grazing muzzle To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 9:18 PM This message is from: Linda Lottie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Ellen.once in awhile the muzzles cause a wear area but for the most part my guys do well. The muzzle should not be so loose that is moves up and down alot. I have about an 1 1/2 between the bottom of the muzzle and the horse muzzle. The one who has the most wear had a boney face. Might be why?? Linda To experience the joy of a kind and caring relationship that respects andaccepts all of the parts of who we are is a gift.to give and to receive. gt; Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:06:18 -0400 gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; Subject: grazing muzzle gt; To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com gt; gt; This message is from: Ellen Davidson gt; gt; I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face badly.I gt; bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well made gt; and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed fleece gt; around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this problem? gt; Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the fjords gt; that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen gt; gt; The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: gt; http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: grazing muzzle
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Fjord mare also got a rub spot from the grazing muzzle. So I brought some real sheep skin with the fleece on it to my local saddle maker and had him sew it around the edge. It solved the problem. But you have to check the fleece every day and pull out any grass spurs or anything else that can easily get stuck in the fleece and irritate the horse. Jen On 6/17/08, Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the Best Friends muzzle. On 6/16/08 8:49 PM, debora seely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: debora seely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, What kind of muzzle do you have? Deb Seely --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: grazing muzzle To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 9:18 PM This message is from: Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ellen.once in awhile the muzzles cause a wear area but for the most part my guys do well. The muzzle should not be so loose that is moves up and down alot. I have about an 1 1/2 between the bottom of the muzzle and the horse muzzle. The one who has the most wear had a boney face. Might be why?? Linda To experience the joy of a kind and caring relationship that respects andaccepts all of the parts of who we are is a gift.to give and to receive. Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:06:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: grazing muzzle To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: Ellen Davidson I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face badly.I bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well made and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed fleece around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this problem? Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the fjords that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: grazing muzzle
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i, too, use a best friends muzzle on oz, and he knows that when i get it out, he gets to eat some grass. he will actually lower his head and stick his nose in the bucket. then he trots to the back of his turnout to the gate the i open to let him into the grassy area. so far we haven't had a rubbing problem, though the last time he used it regularly, he did get some black spots where it rubbed, but they were not raw. he's quite funny to watch trying to get as much as he can through the hole. he kind of tosses the basket forward a little and then drags it back to his lips. there's a lot of flat grass out there, so at least it doesn't all go into his mouth. he will run all the way to the back of the pasture, which abuts the one with charlie and gizmo. i was watching him and the mini playing under the lower fence rope. gizmo can laugh now, but i have a mini muzzle for him if he starts to chub up. laurie, and the three musketeers ** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
grazing muzzle
This message is from: Ellen Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face badly.I bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well made and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed fleece around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this problem? Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the fjords that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Linda Lottie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ellen.once in awhile the muzzles cause a wear area but for the most part my guys do well. The muzzle should not be so loose that is moves up and down alot. I have about an 1 1/2 between the bottom of the muzzle and the horse muzzle. The one who has the most wear had a boney face. Might be why?? Linda To experience the joy of a kind and caring relationship that respects andaccepts all of the parts of who we are is a gift.to give and to receive. Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:06:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: grazing muzzle To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: Ellen Davidson I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face badly.I bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well made and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed fleece around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this problem? Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the fjords that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yup, me too! Rubbed horses face, but also said horse became so agitated w/ this on her head that I thought she was going to kill herself from running fences in our 20 acre pasture. (Geez, maybe that is how they lose weight?) I feared for my horses spirit and body. I tried it on her 3 days in a row. She and i were a psychic mess 'cause of it. Anyway, somewhere, I have a nice real deal $45 horse sized grazing muzzle if anyone wants it. Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:06:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: grazing muzzle To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: Ellen Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face badly.I bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well made and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed fleece around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this problem? Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the fjords that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: debora seely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, nbsp;nbsp; What kind of muzzle do you have? nbsp; Deb Seely --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Linda Lottie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Linda Lottie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: RE: grazing muzzle To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 9:18 PM This message is from: Linda Lottie lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Ellen.once in awhile the muzzles cause a wear area but for the most part my guys do well. The muzzle should not be so loose that is moves up and down alot. I have about an 1 1/2 between the bottom of the muzzle and the horse muzzle. The one who has the most wear had a boney face. Might be why?? Linda To experience the joy of a kind and caring relationship that respects andaccepts all of the parts of who we are is a gift.to give and to receive. gt; Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:06:18 -0400 gt; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; Subject: grazing muzzle gt; To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com gt; gt; This message is from: Ellen Davidson gt; gt; I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face badly.I gt; bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well made gt; and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed fleece gt; around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this problem? gt; Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the fjords gt; that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen gt; gt; The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: gt; http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
grazing muzzle for hay
This message is from: Tanya Welsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Jean for responding! So, if my mare is on round bales (NOT my choice and I'm working on changing this), any suggestions on a muzzle for this? Also, I am worried it will dampen her spirit..any advice or thoughts on this? Tanya Welsch, MSW, LGSW MN LINC Program Director 952-472-2422 www.mnlinc.org Our mission: We partner with individuals, animals, and nature to inspire and instill human wellness.
Re: grazing muzzle for hay
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] It really scares me to hear of feeding round bale hay to horses. Too often they get botulism from it. Be sure the horses on round bales have botulism shots. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/19/06 10:52:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would love to hear from others that got theirs used to this muzzle. after asking on the board last year, and getting good advice about the best friends muzzle, i used one on him all last summer. he took to it fine. i may have poked a few blades of grass through the hole at first, but he didn't take long to figure out how it works. because they have to push the end of the muzzle straight down over standing up blades of grass, i could see him out there bringing his head up and then pushing in down, in his attempt to eat. because we put them in a dry lot at night, he was always glad to get it on in the morning, because then he knew he got to go out into the pasture. unfortunately, DH overfed him again this winter. he is at my trainer's not only on a diet, but also being ridden again. after a snotty start on his part (he actually tossed my trainer's daughter, who's been riding him, and playing bronco in the pasture), he has settled down to her doing trotting road work with him, and taking him on the trails. he has lost weight already, and his manners are getting back to where they should be. with my knee surgery, i keep wondering in the back of my head if it's going to make me fearful of riding, since coming off would not be a good plan. i know i will feel confident ground driving him after i am healed, but still wonder about the riding. guess i won't worry about it too much for a while. laurie the gimp, oz the brat
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] So Laurie, How long has it been now since your knee surgery? my friend Walt Brunner was riding some (in a Parelli clinic even) five months after his knee replacement. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska sunny and melting, 40 degrees, a lot of snow to go.
Re: dilemma/grazing muzzle redux
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurie, I have both ends of the spectrum in that Gunnar, Fjord, is too fat and Charlie aged 17 plus hander needs to eat to keep his weight. Luckily I have two fields but still too much for Gunnar with the spring sweetened grass. So the muzzle is used for Gunnar who resents it highly. When I took it off the other day he wanted to bite me and also turned his back on me and lifted his heels. He knew he was in the wrong and the next morning as much as grinned at me and was friendly. He now stands and lets me put the muzzle on but he does not like it. At least he can move about and get a few stems of grass thru the mesh. He can also get plenty of water. The point is that altho he does not like it, it is better than founder by a long shot. Jean Gayle PS altho the grass has slowed growing it is still hot measured by the pulse on both horses after free grazing. Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
dilemma/grazing muzzle redux
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i know grazing muzzles have been discussed before, but i did not expect to be in need of one. however, a change in circumstances may necessitate using one. before i got oz, we had an older horse who had been rescued several times, and ended up with my riding instructor. we bought him from her after she returned him to health, to keep our other horse company. when i got oz, we realized that we simply could not handle 3 horses. we found what we thought was an ideal placement situation for the two together, at a local bible camp for their summer riding program for kids. we sold one horse, and donated the rescued one with the stipulation that if they could not use him in their program, we would take him back. we never heard anything, so had no idea anything was wrong. about 2 weeks ago my instructor went to the camp to train their summer riding help. she found poor charlie, the old horse, in the pasture, just about on death's door. they had all been turned out all winter in the pasture with just cheap meadow hay, and obviously, no other care. he was simply skin and bones. my hubby was livid (and he never gets mad), called the place and said he was coming to pick charlie up, which he did. i almost cried when i saw him, he was so thin and sad. we have had him here since june 2, and with good feed and supplements, i am already seeing a vast improvement. he eats and eats, as well he should. now, how does this relate to a grazing muzzle one might ask? well, right now i am boarding oz at my instructor's so i can ride inside (we have had 6 solid weeks of RAIN), and get some of the weight off he put on this winter. and so i can bring him to blue earth without my having to wear a bag on my head so nobody can tell who owns such a chubby fjord. i am stuck as to what to do when i bring him home. charlie needs to eat all the time, oz hardly at all. if i keep them separate, putting charlie on pasture and oz in the dry lot, there is no way to get water to charlie. if i keep them both in the dry lot, charlie won't get enough to eat. can anyone suggest a better solution than the muzzle? and if you can recommend one? help! when these two horses stand next to each other, they are going to look like the number 10. laurie, living with both ends of the spectrum sorry this is so long...
Bar Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: Holly Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience using a bar type grazing muzzle? They seem to be the only kind up here in Manitoba. If anyone has any input I sure would appreciate it. I have to get a muzzle on my fjord or start to seperate her from my other horses. I've read everything posted on the Best Friend muzzle. By the way this muzzle has sheep skin around the muzzle and is a halter type. I would have to put a breakaway on it, which is not hard as I have the material here. Thanks, Holly
Cheaper, better grazing muzzle?
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw this on Rural Heitage Virtual Vet: A cheaper better grazing muzzle!: ***I found a source for cheaper, better-made muzzles, too, made by Tough1--at $24.95, half the price of the Best Friend model--it's Equine USA, at 800-648-1121. They have a website, but the item is not available on it.)* Jean in sunny and warm Fairbanks, Alaska, mkelt water running through the corrals. 55 degrees Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Repairing Best Friends Grazing Muzzle.
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] They have a 30 day guarantee. If you fail to contact them within that time, they will do nothing. Ours seems to be reinforced, but sometimes the glue that holds the reinforcing lets goeither within 30 days or later. Even if the reinforcing holds, they eventually wear away the holes- to the point they are at least twice as large. Best Friends told me tire shops may help, but I was looking for some other way as I would imagine tire shops would just use inner tube rubber, which would not be real strong. I had one of those grazing muzzles for Cindy and she tore through the hole right away. I called the Best Friend company and they sent me a replacement muzzle with a reinforced hole, for free. Lori A.
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a sturdy metal muzzle that I have used on all of my horses. This allows them to be with the other horses and to move about. Saves stall mucking also. Be sure to get a well made one and have it padded where it rubs the face. I put it on the horse for a few seconds, then next day for longer etc until the horse accepts it. I find it necessary to bend the frame of the muzzle to make it fit around different heads. The halter on mine is pretty unforgiving so I want to also be sure there is nothing for it to catch on. The horses show some frustration at first but then seem to quickly adapt as they do to other things. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
Grazing Muzzle
This message is from: lazyao [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a fjord mare, 5 years old that I pasture with 7 quarter horses. The schedule they are on is perfect for the quarter horses, but Jayne is beginning to resemble a parade float. I saw an ad for a grazing muzzle which limits the amount of grass the horse gets while grazing, she'd get some but not as much as she could bite off and chew. Does anyone have any experience with one of these? AO
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Monday morning, everyone!! We are instore for another beautiful Minnesota day - I am heading out with a friend on a drive. Just thought I would mention that I purchased a grazing muzzle for Sven -- seems to be working well. Time will tell if it helps with his weight -- but he is tolerating the muzzle and within SECONDS developed a technique to get the most grass per bite with the thing, :):) At least I can leave him out to graze longer -- I do have to leave his halter on so only put it on when I am home. The muzzle is made of plastic coated iron with fleece around the area that comes in contact with the skin. I paid 29.95 through United Vet -- it was $60.00 at a local tack shop :( Anyway, thought I would pass along this info. to anyone who is dealing with an overweight Fjord. Went on a ride yesterday with husband on the QH and I on Sven. Perfectly wonderful!! Used the lightweight fly masks made for riding - worked great! The company makes gear for humans too - pretty soon both horse and rider will be totally incased by netting - HAHA!! Linda in Minnesota
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bought mine from Farnams catalogue but have not had the cat. for several years. Most tack stores should carry them. Get a stout one as a horse will rub and push pretty hard. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 9:12 PM Subject: grazing muzzle This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where would one find one of these grazing muzzles? Laurie, who knows that Tor will NOT be happy about this! : )
grazing muzzle
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] So where would one find one of these grazing muzzles? Laurie, who knows that Tor will NOT be happy about this! : )
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we just completed our multi-zillion dollar, absolutely safe, strong, sturdy lockable two acre field, only now I can't put Gunthar in it! [...] The part I forgot is that Gunthar will not bother walking two steps if he can be eating instead. So far our idyllic pasture is getting 15 minutes a day of use. Ah, yes---Fjord lawn mowers! I have 3 of them that'll mow a path from here to there---moving only when there's nothing edible in reach any more. My solution is electric fencing for strip-grazing. The first few days, I give them an area big enough that they won't chase each other around, but I limit their time. As they get that area stripped down, I gradually lengthen the time. When the area is down to stubble, I move the fence over 4'; iterate. Once the grass goes to seed (i.e. browns off, and drops its seed), I can give them larger areas, since they're mostly eating standing straw at that point. This effectively reseeds the main parts of the pasture for me; all I have to reseed are the areas that they strip---which are the areas that I'd otherwise have to mow, for a firebreak. Very useful, those Fjords am considering shopping for a grazing muzzle so he can be safe in the field (with some supervision). I presume I will run into the usual problems of owning a horse with a draft-horse-forehead and a draft-pony-muzzle. Not to mention the strength of the critter, and its determination to get grass into the muzzle somehow, and enough intelligence to be really creative about it. Keep the camcorder handy I have a similar problem when trail riding. Sleepy spent some summers in pack- and dude-strings, being expected to forage while under way. I finally gave up fighting with him about it, and built him a trail muzzle. Essentially, it's a bag made out of fiberglas window screen material, which ties to the noseband of his bridle. He can breathe thru it, and even drink, just not get grass into it. (However, last ride, he bit so firmly on some grass that he ripped the screen mesh; guess I need to build a stronger one, out of the fly masks he and Rom have destroyed over the years.) Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, we just completed our multi-zillion dollar, absolutely safe, strong, sturdy lockable two acre field, only now I can't put Gunthar in it! I built this field primarily so Gunthar would get some free movement time, and incidentally, some grazing and feed cost reduction. Ha! The part I forgot is that Gunthar will not bother walking two steps if he can be eating instead. So far our idyllic pasture is getting 15 minutes a day of use. I already have Gunthar's hay cut to the bone, with only Strongid C for grain (and the occasional bucket of purloined beet pulp he manages to get from his QH stablemate when we forget to separate them properly) and there is still a lot of padding over those ribs. I'm trying to get him on a work program - but that will take a while (variety of reasons). So am considering shopping for a grazing muzzle so he can be safe in the field (with some supervision). I presume I will run into the usual problems of owning a horse with a draft-horse-forehead and a draft-pony-muzzle. Anyone have any experience shopping for and/or using a grazing muzzle? Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
