Laurie's loss
This message is from: sandra minih...@hotmail.com Hi Laurie I'm so sorry about your sudden loss of Skylar. Fjords are so very special that makes losing them so much harder. Thinking of you,Sandra Loki in VA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Loss of a Fjord
This message is from: Ursula Jensen ursu...@gmail.com Our condolences regarding your sudden Fjord loss Laurie. We have had Fjords for 34 years and it never gets easier. We are facing Fjord elder care and now have three older Fjords not faring well. It will be a hard fall's decision here. Thank goodness we have three new foals on the ground. Brian Jensen. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Weight loss- Cushings
This message is from: Jo rjrfj...@verizon.net that is really something. My hat is off to you. Nice of you to share with us. Thanks,Jo On 09/30/14, Debbie Shadedmshad...@hotmail.com wrote: This message is from: Debbie Shade dmshad...@hotmail.com Since I have had a few people ask how I got weight off my Fjord here it is. I started by putting her on Thyroid meds, per the vet, though her thyroid was okay, the vet thought it would help with the weight loss. That didn't help. Here is the routine that worked. First the environment. I'm in northern New Hampshire and she is out with 2-3 other horses, Connemara, QH mares and in winter also an Appy gelding. She is low pony so gets pushed around but can eat twice as fast as anyone else. Turn out is grass pasture but on a mountain and thus not lush. Outside from 7am to 4pm then stalled with an adjoining 15 x 20 individual paddock. in and out all night Grain- just a balancer, Nutrena Empower Balance 1 pound a day divided into 3 feedings, am, pm and late night. Hay- 1st cut 3 pounds in a small whole hay net at each feeding pm and late. Soaked a minimum one hour usually longer then fully drained. Weighing the hay is vital as I have discovered volume/weight can really change between bales and can easily fool you. I have set this up with a ring on the wall and I just pull the bag up and hang it on the wall over the wheeled tub and then empty the water in the tub each time.Pasture- muzzle all spring and summer, though my soft hearted husband would often take if off in the afternoons. In August no muzzle as the grass is pretty much gone. When I start putting hay out mid September the muzzle goes back on each day until the hay is gone. I put out about 30 pounds for three horses. This is second cut hay as that is what I feed my others. If they eat all the hay, I will take the muzzle off her. I still think she eats the hay faster than the others even with the muzzle on. I feel bad seeing her with the muzzle in the snow and ice of winter but she doesn't seem to mind and her health is what matters. This is what helped me get the weight off. I do think the Smartpak metabo-lean has also helped with the weight loss. I could definitely see a difference when that was added. I got my mare back after someone had her on a hay field for two years with no work. When I got her back she was diagnosed with Cushings and IR. She is 19. In just over a year I have reduced her weight by almost 200 pounds 1050 to 879. She doesn't show any signs of a horse with cushings. She is on prascend and smartpak metabo-lean. and Previcox. Is it worth testing her again or would the test be false due to the prascend? If anyone is interested I can let you know how I managed the weight loss. She looks great now. Like a much younger horse. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Weight loss- Cushings
This message is from: Debbie Shade dmshad...@hotmail.com I got my mare back after someone had her on a hay field for two years with no work. When I got her back she was diagnosed with Cushings and IR. She is 19. In just over a year I have reduced her weight by almost 200 pounds 1050 to 879. She doesn't show any signs of a horse with cushings. She is on prascend and smartpak metabo-lean.Is it worth testing her again or would the test be false due to the prascend? If anyone is interested I can let you know how I managed the weight loss. She looks great now. Like a much younger horse. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Weight loss- Cushings
This message is from: gemma koontz horse.freak...@hotmail.com I would be interested in your weight loss program as this sounds very much like my horse. Sent from my iPad On Sep 30, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Debbie Shade dmshad...@hotmail.com wrote: This message is from: Debbie Shade dmshad...@hotmail.com I got my mare back after someone had her on a hay field for two years with no work. When I got her back she was diagnosed with Cushings and IR. She is 19. In just over a year I have reduced her weight by almost 200 pounds 1050 to 879. She doesn't show any signs of a horse with cushings. She is on prascend and smartpak metabo-lean.Is it worth testing her again or would the test be false due to the prascend? If anyone is interested I can let you know how I managed the weight loss. She looks great now. Like a much younger horse. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Weight loss
This message is from: me.kint me.k...@yahoo.com These Fjords are amazing at how little they need. They are like me, Ha! I've been watching Clinton Anderson's series down in the outback in the middle of Austrailia. He had an expert telling about the brombies... How these horses have adapted go 3-4 days between drinks of water. They've even tracked, one horse that went 2 weeks between drinks of water! My 2, I don't know how I can feed them any less, I would feel so guilty.if Tunix feels he hasn't gotten enough to eat, he will come down stand on the back porch stare me down! He lets his needs be known. I haven't ever been able to get a rib shown on mine. I keep them in at night when I clean their pens, I do a pile count each morning. I've predetermined a target number of piles for each Fjord. If too many over the target, they gain weight, too few-- they aren't getting sufficient food. I put in for the night turn out in AM at about the same time everyday. So the time they are in is pretty consistent. That's how I determine if they are getting too much to eat. From Mary's iPad PLEASE REMOVE ALL E-MAIL ADDRESSES BEFORE SENDING OR FORWARDING THIS EMAIL. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Weight loss- Cushings
This message is from: Debbie Shade dmshad...@hotmail.com Since I have had a few people ask how I got weight off my Fjord here it is. I started by putting her on Thyroid meds, per the vet, though her thyroid was okay, the vet thought it would help with the weight loss. That didn't help. Here is the routine that worked. First the environment. I'm in northern New Hampshire and she is out with 2-3 other horses, Connemara, QH mares and in winter also an Appy gelding. She is low pony so gets pushed around but can eat twice as fast as anyone else. Turn out is grass pasture but on a mountain and thus not lush. Outside from 7am to 4pm then stalled with an adjoining 15 x 20 individual paddock. in and out all night Grain- just a balancer, Nutrena Empower Balance 1 pound a day divided into 3 feedings, am, pm and late night. Hay- 1st cut 3 pounds in a small whole hay net at each feeding pm and late. Soaked a minimum one hour usually longer then fully drained. Weighing the hay is vital as I have discovered volume/weight can really change between bales and can easily fool you. I have set this up with a ring on the wall and I just pull the bag up and hang it on the wall over the wheeled tub and then empty the water in the tub each time.Pasture- muzzle all spring and summer, though my soft hearted husband would often take if off in the afternoons. In August no muzzle as the grass is pretty much gone. When I start putting hay out mid September the muzzle goes back on each day until the hay is gone. I put out about 30 pounds for three horses. This is second cut hay as that is what I feed my others. If they eat all the hay, I will take the muzzle off her. I still think she eats the hay faster than the others even with the muzzle on. I feel bad seeing her with the muzzle in the snow and ice of winter but she doesn't seem to mind and her health is what matters. This is what helped me get the weight off. I do think the Smartpak metabo-lean has also helped with the weight loss. I could definitely see a difference when that was added. I got my mare back after someone had her on a hay field for two years with no work. When I got her back she was diagnosed with Cushings and IR. She is 19. In just over a year I have reduced her weight by almost 200 pounds 1050 to 879. She doesn't show any signs of a horse with cushings. She is on prascend and smartpak metabo-lean. and Previcox. Is it worth testing her again or would the test be false due to the prascend? If anyone is interested I can let you know how I managed the weight loss. She looks great now. Like a much younger horse. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Mare's loss...
This message is from: Jeanne Zuker [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am so very sorry for your, and Nika's loss of the foal. I thought I have heard of 'milk banks' that take milk and store it for orphan foals. I don't breed, so I can't give you any info., but perhaps your vet would have some ideas, or if there is a vet hospital/university near you, they might be able to give you some help. What a wonderful thing if you might still be able to help out another foal. Hugs to you and Nika. Again, I am so sorry. Jeanne and Monty MI The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Loss of confidence
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is anyone out there willing to share about a big loss of confidence with horses, and their path back to comfortable horse using? It's the path back that I'm most hoping to hear about... Hi, I think you know what I have gone through? To make it simple and short, I came off a young horse back Dec 17th. Broke my lower back among other places. My healing is not going well. Is almost funny how people want to ignore you or not talk to you because of it..like I will taint them or something. Sigh ~~  The Blk mare I came off of is not mean...but because I was hurt so badly,, I am deadly scared of her. Doesn't make any sense..just the way it is. Have had her boarded at a trainers up north. She is just fine,,no baggage from the accident. But I do not want her to come home. And sales for young green horses,, no matter how good the conformation, how clear the gaits are and how royal bred..are just not selling. I had a lady that wants a young forward but sane goey horse and this mare is it. She has a imported gelding that is just happy to stand there or walk. While I need the money badly from the sale of said mare,, it is not going to happen any time soon and I can't keep affording to board her. A trade would be 2nd best..if he is as laid back, well trained..is older at 13 years,, mellow non spooky,,good horse for a gimp. Then I will do the trade. I rather not have a reminder of that accident around. He sounds like one I could try to ride again with. So,, in my long winded way I understand what you are going through. I am lucky,, that I am not scared..of my miniature horses, donkey or my wee grey mare. But I am even more careful. I sold my wonderful fjord mare to an excellent home..my body could no longer handle her rolling side to side walk. If you want to try..and I know how impossible it is to get rid of this horse disease we all share. Might take awhile..but you need what I call a, Grandma horse. Gentle, kind, slow, honest soul so you can get your confidence back on. They can be hard to find but well worth the wait. Unfortunately for me.. I need a super smooth gaited/tolting horse now. No troting horse for me. You also need to go your speed..don't listen to others unless they are willing to support you. If you just want to go out and sit with that horse in pasture that is fine..maybe brush him/her the next day. When it is time for you to try riding..use a round pen and a good helmet and safety vest. You will have your brave days an not so brave days. Go slow. If you just want to sit,,just sit and then get off. There is no time table. I have sat on my grey mare 3 times now..and I have learned..my favorite saddle causes me no end of pain. But I am ok on a bareback pad if I only spend 5 minutes on her. I have a very long and painful road ahead..and I know I will never be the same as I was. So yes it is possible to get over your fears..in time..be it 6 months or 10 years. Slow and steady always works best. ;O) If you need someone to talk with.. please feel free to email me. Kind regards, Shari Ink Brush Creations http://www.inkandbrushcreations.com/ AOL at AOL.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Catherine's Loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Catherine- My heart just aches thinking of the trauma you've endured. The loss of such an old friend is horrible enough, but to deal with the unbelievable situation with the colt is too much to comprehend. You trauma reminds me too much of what I went through in 2003. My gelding Patrick needing surgery for colic and dealing with the fear and cost was traumatic. Then, within 2 weeks my wonderful mare Annie suddenly died. It seemed all to surreal. My prayers are with you! God bless you for saving that little guy! Pat McCurdy Cato, NY Proud mother of Patrick, Frolic, and Willie The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Loss of Lyder
This message is from: Linda Lehnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine I was very sorry to hear you lost Lyder. It sounds like he was a wonderful horse and you were fortunate to have him. He was also fortunate to have somene as caring as you for an owner. You definitely went above and beyond the call of duty for the other colt. I hope he makes a good recovery and the 50/50 raffle raises enough money to take care of cost. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Linda in Alanya today it's FREE! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Rough weekend and our loss yesterday
This message is from: Genie Dethloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] I want to thank everyone who responded to me about my loss of my dog Jada either on the list or privately. I came home yesterday numb and tired from the cold at the barn and the shopping center with no energy to cook the wonderful Valentines day meal I had planned and just braved the cold a little longer to shop for. I was greeted by my husband's red but smiling face under all those fleece flaps on his very cold weather hat as he shoveled the drive. I brought food up and left it out on the counter - which I have not been able to do for 13 years as all Rhodesian Ridgebacks, even sick ones are very dedicated counter surfers. My little dog did not greet me as usual as she is depressed by her loss of her best friend. So I sat down at the computer to read my email. Guys, you put a huge smile on my face by your support and brought much needed tears to my eyes sharing your stories of lost beloved dogs. If someday I am not able to own a fjord, I will still stay on the list as you all are the best! Another great thing about this list is how quickly people share what ever knowledge or insight they have about a situation, such as to all of the recent posts sharing information about colic, fjord feeding and care. Once one deals with the emotions of a hard situation, you have to move on and see as Anne Appleby said, what you could do differently, if anything in the future. Sometimes the knowledge lets you know that you have done everything you could and that is the greatest comfort. -- Genie Dethloff Ann Arbor, Michigan The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Rough weekend and our loss yesterday
This message is from: Genie Dethloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] This post is long as I write for therapy. Putting words on paper helps me feel the emotions I need to feel; maybe my words will help or interest you. If not, don't feel that you need to read them, but I need to write them so here they are. Catherine, I am so sorry to hear of your loss of your beloved Lyder and about the difficult weekend you had helping the colicing gelding. Amy, it was so good that you were there for Catherine during that trying weekend as you are such a wonderful horse woman. You both are real fjord lovers. I was just talking with friends about dog breeders, and especially many of the designer dog breeders who will not take back a dog with medical or behavioral problems and how those dogs end up in rescue or euthanized at a shelter. It is very hard sometimes to follow through with the commitment we make to our animals and their offspring. I commend you both for your commitment to the sick colt and know you will sleep better at night for it. Kimberly, I am sorry about your colt's colic, especially when you thought you had him placed in a wonderful new home. it sounds like you jumped into action and found plenty of people to help you during the stressful time but had a hard decision to make. I could not respond before now as I was dealing with the end of my beloved 13 and a half year old Rhodesian Ridgeback who had cancer. We kept hoping that her end would be like Lyder's that we'd just come home and she'd be gone, quietly in her sleep. We did not even know for sure that she had cancer until she was on the surgeon's table yesterday. We knew something was wrong as her eye was bulging out and discharge was coming out of the eye and the nostril on that side. Our vet had prepared us for the possibility of cancer but we started with about $160 dollars worth of antibiotics hoping it was an abscess in a tooth or her sinuses. When it kept progressing it was off to the specialist. When he called telling us what he found, we chose to allow her to go peacefully in her sleep, not having to recover from the surgery as her life expectancy was only a few weeks and would be very painful at the end. Jada got to go peacefully in her sleep with a little help from the vet and with my husband and I there petting her. Just as you had wonderful Amy there during your weekend ordeal, we had Laura my riding instructor who is one of the vet surgeon's vet techs. She was there crying with me as Jada was put down. The thing that some people (not this list of course) would think is odd is that I spent four hours in 15 degree weather and during the start of the blizzard, at the boarding barn with my Pjoska while Jada was at the vet and in surgery. We free lunged and then she kept me company in the arena as I moved wheelbarrows full of shavings from the pile in the corner of the arena throughout the arena and mixed it in with the footing to add some cushion. After the call from the vets, I cried, snuggled with Pjoska and settled her in her stall for the cold night and then took off for the vets to say goodbye to Jada. Being with Pjoska and working hard in the cold for four hours made it easier to handle the news. Before Jada had surgery, when both vets outlined the possibilities and the possible treatments, we only partially listended as we knew at 13 and a half years old we would not put her through various different scary diagnostic tests, radiation and chemo (thousands of dollars worth). If draining an abscess would work and make her more comfortable, OK, but no more. Just getting her to the point of knowing what was wrong cost $800. It is amazing how quickly the vet bills add up. This time we were spared having to make that hard choice of how much money to spend on a beloved animal. I have always had mortality and major medical insurance for any horse I owned, but never for a dog - I will for the next dog. If I couldn't afford the $600 a year for the horse insurance, I wouldn't own a horse, as the costs of treating their medical problems is way too scary for me. Luckily, I only own one horse at a time. My beloved cockatiel, Latte, died with no warning two weeks ago and I paid for 24 hours of vet care for his buddy, Rikki, to make sure he was OK. Rikki (who was a replacement for Biddy who also died unexpectedly, a year and a half ago) went back to rescue from whence he came as I can not emotionally handle these fragile bird that give you only a few hours notice, if any, that they are very sick before they drop dead. Biddy, my first cockatiel died in the early morning hours at the vets who was up all night with her tube feeding her. I guess horses colicing is like having one of those fragile birds; sometimes you have very little time to act, and even if you act quickly the outcome can be devastating. My only remaining house pet is Dawn, my 12 and a half year old
Re: Rough weekend and our loss yesterday
This message is from: Melinda Schumacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Genie, I appreciate your need to write, to take care of yourself. I'm not so far away from you now, compared to the rest of the listI'm north of Columbus. There are two fjords in the barn where I board. I wish you goodness and serenity as you adjust to these challenges and changes. Maybe we could get together sometime??? Melinda On 2/14/07, Genie Dethloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Genie Dethloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] This post is long as I write for therapy. Putting words on paper helps me feel the emotions I need to feel; maybe my words will help or interest you. If not, don't feel that you need to read them, but I need to write them so here they are. Catherine, I am so sorry to hear of your loss of your beloved Lyder and about the difficult weekend you had helping the colicing gelding. Amy, it was so good that you were there for Catherine during that trying weekend as you are such a wonderful horse woman. You both are real fjord lovers. I was just talking with friends about dog breeders, and especially many of the designer dog breeders who will not take back a dog with medical or behavioral problems and how those dogs end up in rescue or euthanized at a shelter. It is very hard sometimes to follow through with the commitment we make to our animals and their offspring. I commend you both for your commitment to the sick colt and know you will sleep better at night for it. Kimberly, I am sorry about your colt's colic, especially when you thought you had him placed in a wonderful new home. it sounds like you jumped into action and found plenty of people to help you during the stressful time but had a hard decision to make. I could not respond before now as I was dealing with the end of my beloved 13 and a half year old Rhodesian Ridgeback who had cancer. We kept hoping that her end would be like Lyder's that we'd just come home and she'd be gone, quietly in her sleep. We did not even know for sure that she had cancer until she was on the surgeon's table yesterday. We knew something was wrong as her eye was bulging out and discharge was coming out of the eye and the nostril on that side. Our vet had prepared us for the possibility of cancer but we started with about $160 dollars worth of antibiotics hoping it was an abscess in a tooth or her sinuses. When it kept progressing it was off to the specialist. When he called telling us what he found, we chose to allow her to go peacefully in her sleep, not having to recover from the surgery as her life expectancy was only a few weeks and would be very painful at the end. Jada got to go peacefully in her sleep with a little help from the vet and with my husband and I there petting her. Just as you had wonderful Amy there during your weekend ordeal, we had Laura my riding instructor who is one of the vet surgeon's vet techs. She was there crying with me as Jada was put down. The thing that some people (not this list of course) would think is odd is that I spent four hours in 15 degree weather and during the start of the blizzard, at the boarding barn with my Pjoska while Jada was at the vet and in surgery. We free lunged and then she kept me company in the arena as I moved wheelbarrows full of shavings from the pile in the corner of the arena throughout the arena and mixed it in with the footing to add some cushion. After the call from the vets, I cried, snuggled with Pjoska and settled her in her stall for the cold night and then took off for the vets to say goodbye to Jada. Being with Pjoska and working hard in the cold for four hours made it easier to handle the news. Before Jada had surgery, when both vets outlined the possibilities and the possible treatments, we only partially listended as we knew at 13 and a half years old we would not put her through various different scary diagnostic tests, radiation and chemo (thousands of dollars worth). If draining an abscess would work and make her more comfortable, OK, but no more. Just getting her to the point of knowing what was wrong cost $800. It is amazing how quickly the vet bills add up. This time we were spared having to make that hard choice of how much money to spend on a beloved animal. I have always had mortality and major medical insurance for any horse I owned, but never for a dog - I will for the next dog. If I couldn't afford the $600 a year for the horse insurance, I wouldn't own a horse, as the costs of treating their medical problems is way too scary for me. Luckily, I only own one horse at a time. My beloved cockatiel, Latte, died with no warning two weeks ago and I paid for 24 hours of vet care for his buddy, Rikki, to make sure he was OK. Rikki (who was a replacement for Biddy who also died unexpectedly, a year and a half ago) went back to rescue from whence he came as I can not emotionally handle
Re: Rough weekend and our loss yesterday
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Genie, Thanks so much for your kind thoughts. I'm very sorry about the loss of your dog as well. Big hugs. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Catherine's loss.
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine, I am so sorry about your loss. There is no replacement, is there? My heart goes out to you. At the same time, I am so very impressed with your rescue of the youngster. What a sweet lady you are Take care, Peg Knutsen www.horsehumor.net www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
members loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very sad news from the CD-List this morning. Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:18:03 -0500 From: Laurie Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Kay Konove Many of you know Kay, who recently moved from Brimfield to Stockbridge, MA. Her son Jonathon (29) was killed Sunday when his truck rolled over in Brimfield near the family's farm. Laurie Neely The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: members loss
This message is from: Kelly Hoem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Kay Konove Many of you know Kay, who recently moved from Brimfield to Stockbridge, MA. Her son Jonathon (29) was killed Sunday when his truck rolled over in Brimfield near the family's farm. Hoping this will be of some comfort during this time of loss. This poem was written by my husband a few years ago. LIFE Life is a fragile thing since birth. We try to live it to its fullest here on earth, We grow as our own person, setting the stage For our passing not knowing what age. Hoping we left some significant mark in someone's life Being a wonderful child, husband, or wife. We grow old together and share our plans, Knowing in the end we'll be in GOD'S hands. We've shared times which we'll never forget Now knowing for sure there are no regrets. As time passes and the end draws near, Just try to enjoy the time you had here. So I bid you farewell and wish you the best Knowing GOD is by your side as you so peacefully rest. I'll cherish the time I've spent with you here As I gently wipe away a loving tear. Written By: Kelly M. Hoem Susan Hoem on the eastern plains of Colorado where it is finally starting to warm up. It was -7 this morning. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Libby Show Expenses profit and Loss statement
This message is from: Frederick J Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all I would like to thank Sherrie Dayton for the nice informative letter and profit and loss statement regarding Libby. After reviewing it I see the need for great discussion on this topic. The needs should be on how the monies are spent and what the best returns on the resources are. Some things were tried and they made money. Why were they eliminated in following years? This shows 9 years with no significant increases in revenue. I don't see any expense for an outside accountant and future planning to increase the support for this show. Poor organization of funds! How come there is only funding 2 years out of 9 for advertisement and a vet fee for 2005? Seems that there was an emergency and no vet around! These are just a few things that came to mind as I looked this over this report. With a little outside help and proper business plan I see no reason why Libby should not be very successful especially after 20 years. Seems to me that this topic of Moses Lake and a different show ground has really gotten this group off track what it should be looking at. What is the written plan for the group (besides bicker). Lets get the finances straightened out and pull in some real money. That way the group can grow and talk about adding more shows. Thanks Bonnie Morris To send a message to the other, much larger list send your message to: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Fred The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss
This message is from: dfle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think you ever get over losing a horse you care about. I lost Whinnie (my husband called her that even though that wasn't her registered name) in May. I had her for 10 years. We thought she had colic --then the vets thought she was getting colitis and finally thought she was recovered only to have her get chronically ill. We took her to the University Vet Hospital and they even did surgery to find that her secum had collapsed into her intestine. The chances for recovery were slim and the cost was prohibitive so I had to make the choice not to cut out part of her intestine and replace it. She would have foaled this summer. The hardest thing to do. Sometimes I think I still see her in the spring pasture or hear her whinnie. I have her last year's foal so little winnie will probably not get sold. Even though there are 15 other fjords at the farm, I miss her dearly. Another mare is also special but not a replacement for the one I lost. You find others you love but keep those who were special in your heart. Rosemary Sent via the WebMail system at cmnt1.c-magic.com
Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/10/2006 3:36:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, how do you know and how do you get over the fear? I had the same experience with my Arabian as the lady you discussed with her Arabian. I lost my first horse in an untimely manner and I was asked a month later to look at a foal. I was in no way ready or interested, as my heart was broken. But I went anyway, to get my friend off my back. :) When I saw the colt, my heart stopped for a moment or two. It was instant love. I have never had a better horse than that little Arab, although Juniper is just as good, in a completely different way. If you are ready to look now, feel free to look and meet horses, but do not feel obligated. If you don't feel ready, don't go. When I lost my second Arabian, I couldn't bear to own another horse for nearly 10 years. Pamela Northern Holiday Horses Welcome Polaris
Re: Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I lost my mare, I was pregnant with my son..I started looking right away (but ended up I didn't BUY anything cause I couldn't even ride at the time) but I think it was more something for me to do and 'focus' on more then anything else.After the baby it was about 4 mths before I bought a horse (ended up not being the right horse for me in the long run) as I had fallen in LOVE with the fjords and wanted one but none were to be had. About a year later, the lady who was riding more horse was moving and was selling her horse, Gustav. yep, that is rightI bought him and sold the other one. It was love, love, love!! :-) Reena
loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeanne - I lost my Morgan mare to EPM 4 1/2 years ago, after a 5 month battle. There were ups and downs, thinking she was going to make it, finally realizing she was succumbing to the laminitis and subsequent severe foundering and never being completely free of neurological symptoms. In a way it was easier because I could see the end coming, but in a way it was harder because I went out to the barn every morning for 5 months not knowing what I was going to find. I bought another Morgan that summer. I don't like buying and selling horses. I like to get them, I just find it hard to buy my new best friend and I tend to not be rational and think I can make any horse fit that mold. This one didn't work out and after 2 years I realized that and sold him and bought a big Fjord mare. It is funny when you get a new horse home. You really have no idea what you've just bought. It takes ages to get to know each other, some good times and some bad times as you figure it out. Every time you meet something new on the trail or try different terrain or ride with a group you find new things out. 2 years later I still get surprised, but mostly good ones. She is different than my Sweet Serenity, but I like her just as much. Valerie
Re: loss
This message is from: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: loss This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeanne - I lost my Morgan mare to EPM 4 1/2 years ago, after a 5 month battle. There were ups and downs, thinking she was going to make it, finally realizing she was succumbing to the laminitis and subsequent severe foundering and never being completely free of neurological symptoms. In a way it was easier because I could see the end coming, but in a way it was harder because I went out to the barn every morning for 5 months not knowing what I was going to find. I bought another Morgan that summer. I don't like buying and selling horses. I like to get them, I just find it hard to buy my new best friend and I tend to not be rational and think I can make any horse fit that mold. This one didn't work out and after 2 years I realized that and sold him and bought a big Fjord mare. It is funny when you get a new horse home. You really have no idea what you've just bought. It takes ages to get to know each other, some good times and some bad times as you figure it out. Every time you meet something new on the trail or try different terrain or ride with a group you find new things out. 2 years later I still get surprised, but mostly good ones. She is different than my Sweet Serenity, but I like her just as much. Valerie
Re: Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss
This message is from: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:28 PM Subject: Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/10/2006 3:36:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, how do you know and how do you get over the fear? I had the same experience with my Arabian as the lady you discussed with her Arabian. I lost my first horse in an untimely manner and I was asked a month later to look at a foal. I was in no way ready or interested, as my heart was broken. But I went anyway, to get my friend off my back. :) When I saw the colt, my heart stopped for a moment or two. It was instant love. I have never had a better horse than that little Arab, although Juniper is just as good, in a completely different way. If you are ready to look now, feel free to look and meet horses, but do not feel obligated. If you don't feel ready, don't go. When I lost my second Arabian, I couldn't bear to own another horse for nearly 10 years. Pamela Northern Holiday Horses Welcome Polaris
Re: Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss
This message is from: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Being Ready To Get Another Horse After A Loss This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I lost my mare, I was pregnant with my son..I started looking right away (but ended up I didn't BUY anything cause I couldn't even ride at the time) but I think it was more something for me to do and 'focus' on more then anything else.After the baby it was about 4 mths before I bought a horse (ended up not being the right horse for me in the long run) as I had fallen in LOVE with the fjords and wanted one but none were to be had. About a year later, the lady who was riding more horse was moving and was selling her horse, Gustav. yep, that is rightI bought him and sold the other one. It was love, love, love!! :-) Reena
Re: Loss of mare
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today we made the very difficult decision to put our 17 y.o. mare down. So sorry to hear about your mare, Mel. Don't try to second guess your decisions, I'm sure you did your best for her. ((hugs)) Lori
RE: Loss of mare
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mel, Lois and I can understand your heartache. Nothing we could say, or write, will ease the hurt. Your duty, now, is to the living. Share that leftover love with them. Fred and Lois All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 Subject: Loss of mare
RE: Loss of mare
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mel, I can really commiserate with you...this hasn't been the best year for me either. I think you made the right decision for your good mare. You have all of my sympathies, and then some. Karen Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Loss of mare Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 00:13:32 + This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today we made the very difficult decision to put our 17 y.o. mare down. ...This has been a terrible year. I just lost my third therapy school horse August 15, and now my husband's mare. Please hug your weegies. They deserve all they can get. Mel Thomas Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide!
Loss of mare
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today we made the very difficult decision to put our 17 y.o. mare down. She had been struggling for a year with EPM, and she found it increasingly more difficult to get up, after laying down, and her left hind leg was weak, so she would need to lay down for comfort. Today, she could not even get up with my husband, the vet and his assistant helping. It was time. Kisse was my husband's horse, and an incredible one at that. She gave us one great filly (now 4, who shows to be very similar in temperament and work ethic). It will be very hard to go out to the pasture to visit for the next few weeks. My girlfriend called tonight when she heard the news. She helped me exercise our horses before she bought her own. She rode the great mare. She was 17, but didn't look or act it. She was always ready to go, led most times, and absolutely loved to go swimming. I think she enjoyed water more than land. Our vets had been very optimistic until last week. The change in her muscle strength, and ability to support herself was drastically changed in about a month. They also did not believe another round of Marquiss would help. EPM is a dreadful disease. We now wish we had not tried to save her last year. She did end up with nerve damage, and probably concussed herself quite a bit when she struggled to get up. This has been a terrible year. I just lost my third therapy school horse August 15, and now my husband's mare. Please hug your weegies. They deserve all they can get. Mel Thomas
Re: Sadie and her loss; also, 2 saddles and a bridle for fjords.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peg - I am so so sorry about Sadie's colt and the terrible time you all went through in the birthing. Hopefully she will recover with all your good care and the resources of modern medicine! love, Linda Wollowitz Vesle Blakka and I have decided that driving is our forte, so I have some truly fabulous saddles I wish to sell: One Courbette Dressage Saddle, I think it was called a Futura Grand Prix Dressage Black, 17 1/2, Med-Wide Tree. I bought it new at $1250, regularly $1395. I used it for 18 months on and off, plus at one show in Vt. Excellent condition, includes leathers and stirrups: $600. One Courbette Dressage Bridle: Black, plus braided reins and one double set for upper levels, used at ONE show in Vt. in two classes. The package was $375.and is for sale for $200. One Courbette Futura All-Purpose Saddle, also 17 1/2 Med-Wide Tree. Was $1223. new, I got it for $1150. It is in excellent condition and includes leathers and stirrups. Dark Brown: $525. These fit fjords perfectly since Julie Will helped me get the right sizes. I will have the privilege of riding in her saddle from Norway, but only out on trails which was our favorite activity together. It's a wonderful sort-of stock saddle...does anyone who went to Norway remember what kind of saddle pad/blanket they use? Also, East Coasters - look for your registration packet for the Finger Lakes Fjord Horse Show. It should be coming soon to your home/farm. The show will be on Saturday June 14th AND Sunday morning June 15th until classes end. Hopefully there will be more info. in the next Fjord Journal as well. Two four-letter words from Syracuse in April SNOW and RAIN! linda wollowitz
Loss of a friend
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alison, We are so darn sorry to read of your loss of Borgen. If any of you have been to our web site, on the very first page is a picture of our Hucklebuck sitting in our front yard. Huck was almost 8 years old, and I raised him from birth (he was abandoned). He passed away last Friday and in now playing with Borgen in the beautiful grassy fields on the other side of the Rainbow Bridge. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3158
Re: Fjord Loss
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alison, ..after I read the List tonite, I am going to go out in the moonlight and visit with the Fjordies.We'll look north and think about you and your Borgen. I am so sorry. Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegeesOriginal Message Follows From: Alison Bakken Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Fjord Losses Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:57:13 -0700 This message is from: Alison Bakken Hi Everyone, The Fjords world lost a member last night. I had to put my stallion Anvil's Borgen down. He had been suffering from colic for a day. It looked like it was improving, but then took a turn for the worst. The Vet figuired it was a liver problem of some kind. The moral of the story - go out and enjoy your Fjords- no matter what you do with them, either riding of driving or back yard pets. Alison Bakken Alberta Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: missed messages, Jensen's loss....
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realized that I missed several messages sent during the down time of the list. Since I get it in individual posts, rather than the digests, I wonder if others that get individual posts missed them too? I went to the arechives to read the ones I missed. Thanks for mentioning it! I also get the individual messages, but hadn't realized there were gaps. Glad the archiver got all the posts! Brian and Ursula---so sorry to hear that you lost your mare! Hugs Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Loss of foal
This message is from: Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shirley...I am very sorry to hear you lost your foal. I had no idea that lack of the first milk would cause death in the foal. I wonder why...It seems such a shame. I wonder if this always happens I am glad your mare is ok. Soon a new little one will come along and you will feel better. Take care, Sue in N.B. ( Desert Storm's mom) I know that once the numbness wears off, I will look forward to the two births still to come on our farm this spring. I don't imagine I will ever take for granted again the miracle of a healthy birth.
Loss of BJ
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Jon and Hope- I am so sorry to hear about your beloved BJ. Please know my heart is with you. Just last night I woke in the middle of the night and the image of my old pony, Herbie came clearly to my mind. It took my breath away and once again I felt the sadness that had overcome me almost one year ago. It's amazing, these horses are just so amazing. They end up becoming part of our souls. Keep remembering the wonderful times and read this poem. It helps me!Warm Wishes- Pat McCurdy Owner of two wonderful Fjords: Annie and Patrick Don't Cry for the Horses By Brenda Riley-Seymore Don't cry for the horses That life has set free A million white horses Forever to be Don't cry for the horses Now in God's hands As they dance and they prance To a heavenly band They were ours as a gift But never to keep As they close their eyes Forever to sleep Their spirits unbound On silver wings they fly A million white horses Against the blue sky Look up into heaven You'll see them above The horses we lost The horses we loved Manes and tails flowing They Gallop through time They were never yours They were never mine Don't cry for the horses They will be back someday When our time has come They will show us the way On silver wings they will lift us To the warmth of the sun When our life is over And eternity has begun We will jump the sun And dance over the moon A Ballet of horses and riders on the winds to a heavenly tune Do you hear that soft nicker Close to your ear? Don't cry for the horses Love the ones that are here Don't cry for the horses Lift up your sad eyes Can't you see them As they fly by? A million white horses Free from hunger and pain Their spirits set free Until we ride again
Hope and your loss
This message is from: DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't say anything that has not been said already. Do get his brother a buddy. Deb
Re: loss of BJ
This message is from: Deb Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is so hard to put to words what our horses mean to us. It's such a empty place when they aren't there. It is like, if you just will walk out then they will be there at the gate, but when you get here they aren't and it hurts all over again. So sorry for your loss. Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Belle,Hilda, Beckett, Rosie and Daniel And soon Senja
Re: loss of BJ
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jon and Hope, I wanted to send along my condolences on the loss of your horse. I don't post here very often, but I do read every issue of te Digest that I get, and I wanted to let you know how sorry Iam. Please accept my condolences. Sincerely, Loretta in NJ
Re: Another Loss
This message is from: Patryjak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen, Sorry to hear of your loss of Tise. Good luck with the foal. Losing a horse is so tough, especially the special ones. Betsy Patryjak
Re: (Another) Loss, belated
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Sue, I will be in touch, I am sure! This is tricky business, caring for a foal. Karen -- I have learned as I go along. Kez is healthy, full of energy and is growing so I don't think I am making too many mistakes. If you have and specific questions I may be able to help. Take care, again I am so sorry about the loss of your mare. Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: (Another) Loss, belated
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen, I'm so sorry about your mare. She does indeed sound like another special one. :( My heart is with you. Pamela
Re: (Another) Loss, belated
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Karen I am so sorry about the loss of Tise, I can totally understand what you are going through. Keswick is now 21/2 months and I am still feeding him a mix of goats milk and Foal Lac 4 times a day. He is eating 4cups of Foal Lac pellets a day and 4 cups of EquineJr., with grass and alfalfa hay. I don't really have any advice on raising an orphan foal even though I am doing it. I have learned as I go along. Kez is healthy, full of energy and is growing so I don't think I am making too many mistakes. If you have and specific questions I may be able to help. Take care, again I am so sorry about the loss of your mare. Sue Sue Clark-Sorger Crown Oak Fjords Sandia Park NM
(Another) Loss, belated
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, I had posted the message below to the Fjordings West Yahoo List, and forgot to fwd. it on to the Fjord List. I know Tise had a few admirers out there, and I know some of you have experienced the pain I am now experiencing, so I guess it's my turn to share. I really must have been fortunate, that in all the years I have raised and kept horses, I had never gone through this, losing a horse from torsion colic..Well, I now know what an utterly hopeless feeling it is, seeing your horse on the operating table, literally gone, save for the artificial means of keeping her alive. Absolutely nothing could have saved her; they say she was gone, even before the rolling and obvious pain had begun. When all was said and done, and the surgical team looked over at me as if to say that's it, I asked one of them if she could cut off the end of Tise's tail. At home the next day, my best friend Robin washed and dried it lovingly, and now I have this silky hank of mare's tail to make into a special shu-fly, that Robin plans to handbead. If you see me riding one of Tise's daughters with it hanging from the girth, just smile, and know that it came from one hell of a mare. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - On a sad note, I did not have a great evening, nor did Beth Beymer, this last Sunday. Beth was here at the ranch in carson City this past weekend leading a Pre Eval. Clinic. On Sunday evening, long after the last participants and their horses had left, and after the heat let up, we took a couple of my horses for a trail ride down and across the river from the ranch. After we arrived back, and were done in the barn, I made my way up the driveway to the house and noticed my mare Tise, down and rolling. When I reached her, she was in a full blown colic. Beth was a great help, and we worked together to do what we could for Tise, before and after the vet arrived, and then later at the clinic where Tise underwent an un-sucessful surgery to try to repair a twisted gut (2 torsions). Needless to say, it was a huge loss, not only to me, but to Tise's little one and a half month old filly, Imilie. As we were praying for Tise at the clinic during the surgery, Dave was taking the trailer up to Reno to pick up Tise's dam, Jorunn from my friend Sandy's place.(Jorunn was there for losing wieght on dry-lot, something I don't have enough of here at a flood irrigated ranch!) Even if Tise had made it thru surgery the chances of her nursing the foal were out, as her post-op care would have prohibited nursing, so we wanted to find a surrogate mom/companion, and Imilie's grand-dam Jorunn (Rosie) was the clear choice. So far, Rosie and Imilie are doing fine. Rosie has no milk except for a little residual from having had 8 babies to date, and lets Imilie nurse only once in awhile, but Imilie is now (finally!) eating Foal-Lac pellets mixed in with her TDI-16 supplement, and eating grass alfalfa hay. So I think it's gonna be OK. It is quite a handful to manage, and my neighbors from across the street are pitching in to help while I am at work during the day - thank god for them! It is bittersweet indeed that Tise was the only horse of my own (bred raised), that I have had evaluated for both conformation and performance. She did us proud at the '98 Eval. in Eugene, recieving a score of 80 = a Blue in conformation, and combined with her performance test score in Beg. Western riding, she earned a Silver medallion. Her 2 1/2 year old daughter Idelle, by Sven, will be going to Turlock to be evaluated this fall, and hopefully doing her dam and Great Basin Fjords proud. -- If any of you on this List have any ideas or opinions on how to best raise an orphan foal, please let me know. I'm new to this one! Thanks for listening. Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Loss of Katrina
This message is from: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Suereading about you and the loss of your mare Katrina, reminds me of the many animals I have lost. In the past two years, I have lost Bergan Sinclair (2 1/2 year old Fjord gelding that was struck by a tractor trailor in the wee hours of the morning) 2 years ago this July. My husband held his head in his arms till the vet came and the decision was made to put him to sleep. I was devasted. My hubby went right out and bught me an older quarter horse type mare. I hated her. She would come at me with ears flattened. I would not ride her. I paid all my attention to Duchess, my old P.O.A.. Duchess also had to be put down from a stroke this past February. In August a month after the loss of Sinclair (I called him Trollen) , we bought little Storm, a then 3 month old stud colt. I had to wait till October till he was weaned, but finally I had another colt to love. Then my little 12 year old poodle, Katy went to Rainbow bridge a year ago this past December...just 5 months after Trollen. I know they are all together waiting for me. Take comfort in the thought that Katrina is waiting there for you too.(just a sec...hard to see the keyboard through tears.) ...My advice is not to give up. Love her baby as much as you can. By the way, how is the little guy? Soon your heart will begin to mend a bit and you will remember the good times you had with her. It is hard to accept and be able to do nothing about...but death comes to allwe just have to believe in a hear -after. I am praying for you, keep your chin up...and love those horses, put off selling for a bit anyway. We are all here for you. Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: Loss Grief
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] ceacy, what a beautiful letter. thank you, denise
Re: Sorry! and Loss
This message is from: ceacy henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All! Boy, did I goof! At least it was from Ceacy's computer, so maybe you think it was her! I sent off the letter for Sue when I meant to finish it and thought I had put it in the Draft file to be sent later. Tried to get it back to finish it and found it in the Sent file. I hope maybe Steve will catch it!! Haven't seen that done in ages on the list! To just finish up for Sue..Hang in there, take it one day at a time, share your grief and don't sell. Not now. Make a desicion to wait, say, 6 months. Then it will be winter which is not a good time to sell. So you will have to wait until spring! Then you will be that much further along. Time. It takes time and sometimes it stinks waiting for the time. But, it will be worth it. Take care, Sue and know that you are cradled in all our thoughts and prayers. We all love you! Sue g.
Re: Loss Grief
This message is from: ceacy henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Sue, I heard about your loss from Sue Giargiari today, I don't read the list much these days and was unaware of your struggle. I want to share with you, and I guess with others who have lost horses, some things I have learned from my experience with loss in 1997. I had to make the decision to put down one of my most treasured mares, Velsigne. She had broken her leg just below the knee. She was in foal. She was the most gentle and easy going mare I have ever owned. I led her out of the barn to be put down by her forelock, such a trusting , sweet mare. That was in November. In December, I found Reina , a yearling down and dying in my pasture, followed by Soren a weanling the next day, then there was the mad scramble to get the horses to Tufts Vet hospital, Olivia a three year old went down in the trailer, Annika a weanling lasted five days on a respirator before we let her die in peace, and then there was Nina, a pregnant mare I had arranged to have conceived, had raised up and trained , and who was my shining little star, she was the last to go. In that same year I lost seven llamas all from different things, some old age, one was a newborn killed by a coyote , one died in labor. Sometimes the grief is so all encompassing that you do not know how to be who you were before. Maybe you never will be the same, but you will not always feel the way you feel right now. Many nights after the ponies died, I woke up sobbing unable to breath, I would cry so violently that I would have to get up and walk around. This went on for months. I have never been able to read the letters people sent me, I have never been able to read the Herald with the same joy, I have never forgotten what it was like to feel as if I had lost control of who I was. Who I am today however, is a better person for having learned how to let people help me. I was not able to handle such overwhelming grief not to mention I was going through a divorce and was completely broke. I learned to let others make decisions for me for awhile. I just could not think straight, I didn't care about anything , even important things, and my guilt over having fed my horses contaminated haylage haunted me for years. If I can say anything that might help you with your decision to sell your other horses it is that through the everyday care of my other horses I was able to feel the grief, let it run its course and ultimately forgive myself for not being omnipotent enough to save them. I learned that I can only do what I can do, and the destiny of other living things is not mine to choose . I have no doubt that the joy that you experienced before Katrina died will return in time, but grief is a process that cannot be denied nor rushed. If in a year you feel that you still want to sell your horses than do what feels right for you. You may feel angry, sad, disconnected, disillusioned and even resentful, but each of those emotions will do its part of allowing you to let go of the grief and move on. I cannot stress enough that in the beginning, the tears will cleanse you; you can't cry too much , or too long , or too hard. Eventually, you will cry less often, for shorter amounts of time, with less searing pain in your heart. Grief does not have to be only about loss it can also be about self discovery, about a new connection to the beings in your life that nurture you, and faith that it is possible to learn to live with loss and not lose yourself. I can now look at pictures of my ponies and remember them with love, and rejoice in the gift of having had the chance to know them at all. I am completely devoted to my horses and the life that I share with them everyday. Even when they break through the fence and run around in my hay field, or down the road to my neighbors hay field, or worse yet across my ex husband's lawn, I still find complete joy in being the privileged person who gets to be with them everyday . I still avoid some things , someone sent me a video of one of Velsigne's offspring and it took me awhile to want to watch it. I didn't even realize why I was reacting that way. You will never be the same after this but you can be happy. Hang in there Sue, there are many people on the list, myself included, who would gladly be there for you to talk to. Please feel free to write or call , it is the support of friends and even complete strangers that helped me heal from a really awful experience . Be patient with your self, you will heal in time. From my heart to you, Ceacy
grief and loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi sue I want to say please, wait a little longer before you sell your other beloved horses. I had a similar experience when I lost a very sweet gelding in a tragic accident, I still feel pain very deep when I think of it. I miss my Joey and the whole thing was traumatic since I was there to see him hit by a car, and I was the one who had to make to decision to end his life. The right decision, but so very hard. After that I could barely go out to the barn to feed his companion, this would bring me to almost unbearable grief. I sold the little fellow to a nice woman, but I wish I had more support and help to work through the grief and profound sense of guilt and responsibility, I wish I had not sold him. I have a few horses now and I don't always become sad over the loss when I think of Joey, but feel a great sense of good fortune to have had time with him however short. I also felt I just couldn't go out to the barn anymore, But please, wait a little longer, there are many of us who feel your pain ad would be there to help if only we lived a little closer. Hang in there if you can, your heart will heal in time. Sorry to ramble on, Hard to type through tears. Sam Barefoot Farm Amesbury Ma
Your loss!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the 6 weeks since Katrina died I have lost all ambition to continue, so I have decided to sell my 3 fjords and equipment. Sue Clark-Sorger Sandia Park New Mexico Sue, after the note you posted I sat and cried. You loved your horses so much. That continues as you continue to care for the baby. Loss of Katrina will fade but you will remember all the joy she brought you. Our loss is still in the shadows , but to see Bjorn's little Olga and the sun shines on. Please Do Not sell your Fjords yet. Time heals and then you will be back into the fun with the Fjords .Keswick will grow because of you and others that helped when needed. Gods blessings and hope you will take time ( the rest of your life) to again join in on the list and tell us the good things you are doing with the Fjords. Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Loss of Heart
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue, I am sorry to hear that your heart was broken that hard, by the loss of Katrina. Give it more time. I know the feeling... Hugs and good wishes to you. Catherine Lassesen
Kentucky Mare Reproductive Loss Syndrome
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here's a piece I received today from the Nebraska Horse Council. In light of recent discussions here I thought it might be of interest. Too bad the video is no longer on the Keenland site. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA The horse has so docile a nature, that he would always rather do right than wrong, if he can only be taught to distinguish one from the other. --George Melville(1821-1878) Forwarded Message=== To: State Veterinarians Subject: Mare Reproductive Loss Syndrome Date: May 11, 2001 Dr. Don Notter, Kentucky State Veterinarian, has asked that I provide to you the latest information regarding the Early Fetal Loss and Late Term Abortions occurring in Kentucky's equine population. The Kentucky Department of Agriculture, Office of the State Veterinarian, has been inundated with phone calls from concerned individuals. A concern at this time is to insure that accurate and factual information is disseminated. We would greatly appreciate any assistance you might provide. Interested individuals may obtain the latest information regarding the situation by visiting the Kentucky Department of Agriculture's Web Page at www.kyagr.com. An informative meeting was held yesterday evening at Keeneland in Lexington where presentations were given by experts involved in the investigation. Over 1,000 attended the standing-room-only meeting. Time permitting, you may view the May 10 meeting over the Internet at www.keeneland.com. To go directly to the portion of the meeting where a summary is given of each of the participants' presentations, fast-forward to 1 hour, 10minutes and 50 seconds. The tape will be available through Saturday, May 12. Information gathered and analyzed thus far: 270 surveys were sent out to farms in Kentucky early this week. 159 were returned and have been reviewed 37 indicated they had not experienced early fetal losses 17 farms report 50 percent or more early fetal losses; most farms had 30 or fewer mares pregnant The survey identified 3,294 mares pregnant after 42 days; 2,616 of these mares were pregnant on May 7th when the surveys went out, suggesting that 678 (20.5 percent) fetuses had been lost. The investigation at this time would still be indicative of a mycotoxin being the causative agent. Testing conducted thus far has shown higher than expected levels of a mycotoxin called zearalenone, according to experts speaking Thursday night at the Keeneland meeting. It has been recommended that horse owners treat mares and other horses as if they have had mycotoxin exposure while researchers continue attempts to pinpoint the definite cause of the problems. It is recommended that horses be given feed containing a mycotoxin binder additive. Also, both this Office and the Gluck Equine Center have received calls from practitioners and horse owners in other states suggesting that they too are experiencing problems that appear similar to that being observed here. We would greatly appreciate any information your office may have regarding similar occurrences. The Kentucky Department of Agriculture, Office of the State Veterinarian, will continue to keep you apprised of information. Should you have any questions, feel free to contact either Dr. Notter or myself. Again, we would offer that the Internet sites are being updated as different testing is completed. E.S. Rusty Ford Equine Programs Manager
Sue's loss
This message is from: SueFreivald [EMAIL PROTECTED] I work in a nursing home and a number of our residents have alzheimer's dementia. Somehow the loss is both more difficult, because one wasn't really able to say goodbye, and a welcome release. You have my heartfelt sympathy. It is never easy. Sue
RE: Our Loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joanna David, I am so very sorry to hear about the loss of Luna. A horse like Luna as you describe her is not only a loss to you, the owners, but a loss to the Fjord world as a whole. I'm sure she'll be greatly missed by all that had the pleasure of knowing her. I cried when I read your letter; you put into word so well those desperate, lost, guilty, helpless, empty and frustrated feelings that so many of have felt (and hope never to feel again). All of our hearts go out to you. Amy Family Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Redmond, OR http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: our loss ( very long)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/25/01 7:45:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We had to go forward for this horse who had so much future infront of her and had been the legs for so many, lifting their spirits so high. And you will continue to go forward in her memory, with her Fjord soul as your guiding light. We are so sorry for your loss. Our hearts are with you! Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1;Our Fjords/A
Re: our loss ( very long)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OH how sorry we are for you and yours. Reading the note brings back what we went thru in December with our much loved stallion, Bjorn-Knutson. Everything short of the surgery is the same. Our prayers go your way at this time. Also to all that lost a Fjord, it hurts. The Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: our loss ( very long)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/25/01 7:45:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Lunas last and final gift will be in teaching about loss, what we will share with her many friends is hope. thank you for listening, sadness is washing over me doing its job I guess,Joanna I'm so sorry doesn't even cut it. But I am what a sadness. You did the best you could for the mare you loved, and I'm sure she knew it. My prayers are with you now, cause I know how hard it is to lose such a good friend. :( Pamela
Re: our loss ( very long)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, We are so very sorry to hear about your loss. Our thoughts are with you. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: our loss ( very long)
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] my deepest sympathy, thoughts and prayers are with you all, joanna. luna sounds like an amazing horse, i am so sorry. denise
our loss ( very long)
would definitely stress any horse.She was always so calm, but deep, hated any kind of trouble often having a slightly delayed but emotional response to problem situations. She was the horse would would wait as long as she could for a solution and if it wasn't clear, would use her body, the best way she knew how. At four she was strong and big and had become one of our most incredible therapy horses, carrying each rider, large or small as if they were precious cargo. she was calm and wise and took so well to driving training, going slowly and evenly as a single horse pulling our accessble carriage which was a heavy load. She patiently worked as we began her pairs training even when her partners were faster or more skittish, she was the balance of reason and listened to our voices and hands. One more time she would listen and trust us as we loaded her up at 8:30 knowing that she was not feeling better. Having no partner horse and trailering 3 hours would be the final test of her courage. Its hard to know how much pain she felt but I held her head to comfort her and now know what a horse goes through for us. Her ears were so cold I took my socks off and put them on her, not much help, I remembered the t-touch and stroked her doing what I could to help. Ordinarily I would never ride in back with a horse because it could be so dangerous but this horse was different, I thought she would make the on the loor never imagingng she could stay up. I have never seen any creature so brave. the trip was from hell but we got there and hope was all we could do, now she was so swollen that her pain was in all of us. THe vet there Larry Buggia, was great;her only option was surgery and what were the potenial chances. We had to go forward for this horse who had so much future infront of her and had been the legs for so many, lifting their spirits so high. It was all so hopefull that she would be our luna girl again in a few days and it was amazing that here we were in this place, where no one should ever have to find themselves.Dr. Charlie Brown came in and called team who assembled within a half hour/45min. and after waitinglast painful minutes we pushered her through the doors. Within the hour, they realised that Luna had lost most of her small intestine, it was a rarish anomaly but after one small part had gotten irritated and had folded the weight and pressure of the rest of it had pushed mamny feeet of itthrough a small opening btween her organs(spleen) to her body cavity where al most all of it was no necrotised. She didn't have enough left to sustain her even though her stomache and large intestine were all fine, she was ruined. We talked and I stopped the operation and had some of the the hardest moments of my life holding the head of my beautiful horse as her life ended. Nothing prepares you for the emptiness or hollowness of those moments. Only the thought that this wasn't a child ran through my mind and I could only sort of pray for peace. I am thankfull to the team of dedicated professionals who worked on her and have made animals their life, without them there is the hole we all fall into at sometime. The what -ifs are all around even though we did lots of the right things. The guilt and sadness is overwhelming, all you want to do is be there for your horses , your kids, your friends, all the time, not exactly possibly; and never to make any mistakes, that would be nice too. The harder parts are now, with a big hole in our hearts and so many memories. Luna was a big part of our dream, a program that made a differrence in lives; a partnership between animals we had raised and knew we could trust and people who have tremendous needs. She was becoming the horse we all envision as a gift, a worker with a soul steady, gentle and true. She was a friend to humans and her kind, playing and grooming each other, enjoying a good life while giving her body and spirit to us to share. We all so looked forward to the time when she would birth the next generation of Willowind, her wonderful qualities were almost too many to list. Fjords are special , this one was an ambassador of grace and good will. I am writing this now to honor a life that was all too brief and in rembrance of all that horses give. Lunas last and final gift will be in teaching about loss, what we will share with her many friends is hope. thank you for listening, sadness is washing over me doing its job I guess,Joanna Joanna Crell and David Folger, directors Willowind Therapeutic Riding and Driving Center RR1 box 2020 Eden Bar Harbor, Maine 04609 phone and fax (207) 288-9506 http://www.willowind.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vet Certificates, Hair (loss) sledding.
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:22 PM 2/6/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike May Wrote: Not exactly Michael. That is what started the whole Teeth Testicles thread. Currently the Vet Certificate is only required to 1. Have your horse (any sex) Evaluated 2. To have your stallion listed in the Fjord Herald Stallion list. I thought we were also required to get the Vet Certificate on the horses in order to get their microchip? (along with the swirl pattern map) Or is getting the microchip considered part of having your horse Evaluated? I think you are confusing two different forms Amy. The Vet Certificate is the one that has 8 questions for the Vet to answer. The other one is the Notification of Microchiping form. It is the one with the horse outline on it for recording the whorls. It is only needed for recording a microchip with the NFHR. To have a horse Evaluated they have to be: NFHR Registered. DNA Typed Marker Report on file with NFHR Microchipped recorded with NFHR Vet Certificate on file with NFHR Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Vet Certificates, Hair (loss) sledding.
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike May Wrote: Not exactly Michael. That is what started the whole Teeth Testicles thread. Currently the Vet Certificate is only required to 1. Have your horse (any sex) Evaluated 2. To have your stallion listed in the Fjord Herald Stallion list. I thought we were also required to get the Vet Certificate on the horses in order to get their microchip? (along with the swirl pattern map) Or is getting the microchip considered part of having your horse Evaluated? Our three mare are DEFINITELY shedding! Just ask my blistered hands. And, our Taffy (Paradise's Taffeta) must be a true rarity among Fjords - she will actually leave a manger full of fresh, green, Orchard grass hay and come to meet us if we show her that we have a shedding blade or curry comb in hand! Then stand patiently for as long as we are willing to keep brushing. Is that weird for a Fjord or what?! I too have done the plastic sled (the round ones are the best!) behind the horse thing. As kids, my younger brother and I would take turns with one of us riding our old Shetland Pokey and the other on the sled, holding on to his tail. Taking the corners was definitely the best part. Yeehaw! Don't think I'd try this behind just any horse these days. Oh, and Misha dear one You made my day!! Hope to come up that way and meet that badger one of these days! Must be a brave one to tangle with you. LOL Amy Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud, Tillie Amy Evers Redmond, OR http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: loss
This message is from: linda hickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] thank you Jean.no problem,my gosh,..you must be a wreck, w/your pal being so sickyou are a very diligent horse owner,and you've taught me muchlinda -- From: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjord fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: loss Date: Wed, Jan 17, 2001, 2:44 PM This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, I am so sorry about your loss. I have been so concerned with Charlie have not been very thoughtful. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
loss
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda, I am so sorry about your loss. I have been so concerned with Charlie have not been very thoughtful. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: getting over a loss
This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] It takes a long time sometimes to get over the loss. I still mourn my first pony after at least 7 yrs. I still see him in the old barn. when I go out to get equipment. We lost my husband's mare this spring. We replaced her with a beautiful Fjord mare, but sometimes I see him look at her with tears close to flowing and I know he still misses the old girl (evil witch that she was). Frida has a lot of similar traits and habits, which probably makes it even harder. But they are beginning to bond and I think over time things will work out. It's just that after 25 years with the same horse, you get awfully used to having them around even when you know they are on borrowed time. And when a young horse goes it is so much harder. My heartfelt condolences. Martie in MD (no rain again today - I may have to water the flowers tomorrow)
Re: getting over a loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If only I can get over it now. It takes awhile. You start out crying 5 times a day, then 4 -- you get the picture. Then, one day you realize that you haven't cried for a few days and you have fond memories, which is like getting a piece of your baby back. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/7/00 12:47:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you so much, all, for the affirmation and sympathy. Having people understand how terrible this was allowed me to stop being so stoic and just cry. Really helps. I will try to answer all your e-mails individually when things settle down. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA I cried reading what you wrote. I am not usually a crier, but it's been a hard year for me dogwise and I am relating. If crying is the release of pain, I can't have much left. I have read that one way to get a horse to drink after traveling is to put some Kool-aid in the water (a little sugar would probably do the same thing). It's a hard thing to know we can't ALWAYS trust our medical providers (for people as well as horses), especially when we don't always have the knowledge to make decisions. Shame to that vet for not having the courage to be honest with you. My vet told me my puppy probably wouldn't make it until morning and that it didn't look good, but there was a chance with all the antibiotics we had put into her. That let me make an advised decision. Gail in NM
Re: Loss/ Safety issues
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] With all the loss of horses mentioned, I am going to add a note about a tragic incident here in Fairbanks, and the loss of a little girl. Last Sunday a local 11 year old girl was out helping her father worm the horses and one of the horses came up to them as they were working on another and kicked at the other horse, kicking the girl in the back of the head. She died before she reached the hospital. No, these were not Fjords, but it could happen with Fjords, also. Working with one horse in a pen with other horses who may be jealous, is prabably not a safe practice. Maybe kids, being shorter etc. whould wear helmets when ever they around the horses? Maybe we all should? Last year on our Competitive Trail ride, I was on the P+R Crew. One of the horses at the P+R stop was a kicker and had kicked the horse behind him coming up the trail to the P+R Stop, cutting and bruising his shoulder. At the stop, we told the young rider to put a red ribbon in his tail..as she was doing this, he kicked her in the head and also her arm. Luckily she WAS wearing a helmet or we would have had a tragedy at that ride. I know I get very lax around my friendly Fjords, but this tragedy made me rethink some of the things I do. Jean in Sunny Fairbanks, Alaska, 65 degrees with 19 hours daylight! To Sue and all of you who have suffered heartbreaking losses.my heart aches for you. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Claudia Galup) To Sue and all of you who have suffered heartbreaking losses.my heart aches for you. Thank goodness we have so many precious new lives to be grateful for. Thanks for the beautiful pictures of Cindy and Robin. claudia
Re: loss
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/20/99 10:36:58 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Power of the Dog by Rudyard Kipling Thank you. I saved this to send to some friends later this year when I know they will need it. Gail
Re: loss
This message is from: Rebecca Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Having lost horses, and dogs, grandparents, a father, and a sister ( at Christmas)and having an old horse (23) and dog (14) I share the sad feelings of all of you who have lost loved one. I like this poem. The Power of the Dog by Rudyard Kipling There is sorrow enough in the natural way From men and women to fill our day; And when we are certain of sorrow in store, Why do we always arrange for more? Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware Of giving your heart to a dog to tear. Buy a pup and your money will buy Love unflinching that cannot lie-- Perfect passion and worship fed by a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head. Nevertheless it is hardly fair To risk you heart for a dog to tear. When the 14 years which Nature permits Are closing in asthma, or tumour, or fits, And the vet's unspoken prescription runs To lethal chambers or loaded guns, Then you will find--it's your own affair But...you've given your heart to a dog to tear. When the body that lived at your single will, With its whimper of welcome, is stilled (how still!) When the spirit that answered your every mood Is gone--wherever it goes--for food, You will discover how much you care, And will give your heart to a dog to tear. We've sorrow enough in the natural way, When it comes to burying Christian clay. Our loves are not given, but only lent, At compound interest of cent per cent. Though it is not always the case, I believe, That the longer we've kept 'em the more we do grieve: For when debts are payable, right or wrong, A short-term loan is as bad as a long-- So why in Heaven (before we are there) Should we give our hearts to a dog to tear?
