Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-15 Thread Thompson_Peter
Great news!  No embarrassment necessary. Thanks for resolving the
mystery.  If I didn't keep a detailed journal of my activities, I'd
forget what I coded yesterday;)

Pete, N3EVL

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 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
 
 Hmmm ...much to my great surprise and some embarrassment, there
 actually is a working code path to read the 100 watt ADC with the
 current AJO code.
 


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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Gerd Loch
Hi Bill,

but please implement only a warning as receive and transmit wo 100W PA
should still work.

73 Gerd, DJ8AY





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Well I just looked at the code and the amplifier ADC is definitely 
not being read via OJ ... it in fact is being read directly from the 
parallel port which would seem to me that you'd get back garbage data 
since presumably there's nothing connected to the parallel port.

If you want to confirm the code is in the path I think it is, run 
PowerSDR from the command line with stdout and stderr redirected to a file:

PowerSDR 21 runlog.txt

And look at the contents of runlog.txt after running -- if the code 
is were I think it is you'll see some messages like:

  warning - Ozy ADC read not implemented!!

Next time I'm in there changing code I will change it to explicitly 
fail if you try and read the ADC  via OJ  -- this will be 
temporary  until I've gotten the read ADC code written, something I 
hope to get to soon as I've now installed the 100 watt amp in my SDR 1000.

Regards,

Bill (kd5tfd)


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  Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
 
  I'm confused!

That makes two of us !

 
  I have been running AJOFlex since day one and all versions (1.6, 
  1.9,
  1.91)
  read my forward and reverse powers and display the powers correctly
  as well as calculating/displaying the SWR on PowerSDR. My only
  connection to the PC is via USB.
 

I must admit, I'd only assumed that the power levels being reported 
were correct - when everything appears to work there doesn't seem to be 
a reason to go looking for problems.  If, as Bill indicates, that the 
firmware is incomplete, then it must be a first in the history of 
computers that it works and appears to work well !  I'd have expected 
to see some smoke by now ;)  I'm really curious to hear what the 
dickens it is doing with the current state of the firmware and also if 
there was some documentation I missed during initial setup that would 
have advised against using the USB control option if the 100w PA is 
present - I've got to believe that most of the SDR-1Ks connected to 
A/J/O are NOT the 1w variety.

Pete, N3EVL




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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Thompson_Peter
Bill,

Thanks for the update.  I've never used the parallel port on my PC to
talk to the SDR - even when I was using the Delta 44 card, I was using
the USB-parallel option.  I actually have a printer plugged in to the
parallel port - maybe PowerSDR is reading that for the power levels! It
still amazes me that this appears to fail so gracefully.  In my
experience when those pesky 1s and 0s are left to themselves, they tend
to naughtiness ;)

Question: is it possible to use A/J/O in soundcard-only mode and control
the SDR via the USB-Parallel option or do I have to use the parallel
port? (I can always move the printer off the parallel port to a usb port
if necessary since it talks either way).

 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Tracey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:58 AM
 To: Thompson, Peter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: RE: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
 
 Well I just looked at the code and the amplifier ADC is definitely
 not being read via OJ ... it in fact is being read directly from the
 parallel port which would seem to me that you'd get back garbage data
 since presumably there's nothing connected to the parallel port.
 
 If you want to confirm the code is in the path I think it is, run
 PowerSDR from the command line with stdout and stderr redirected to a
 file:
 
 PowerSDR 21 runlog.txt
 
 And look at the contents of runlog.txt after running -- if the code
 is were I think it is you'll see some messages like:
 
   warning - Ozy ADC read not implemented!!
 
 Next time I'm in there changing code I will change it to explicitly
 fail if you try and read the ADC  via OJ  -- this will be
 temporary  until I've gotten the read ADC code written, something I
 hope to get to soon as I've now installed the 100 watt amp in my SDR
 1000.
 
 Regards,
 
 Bill (kd5tfd)
 
 
 At 02:46 PM 8/13/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flexradio-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   radio.biz] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:10 PM
   To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
  
   I'm confused!
 
 That makes two of us !
 
  
   I have been running AJOFlex since day one and all versions (1.6,
 1.9,
   1.91)
   read my forward and reverse powers and display the powers
correctly
   as well as calculating/displaying the SWR on PowerSDR. My only
   connection to the PC is via USB.
  
 
 I must admit, I'd only assumed that the power levels being reported
 were
 correct - when everything appears to work there doesn't seem to be a
 reason to go looking for problems.  If, as Bill indicates, that the
 firmware is incomplete, then it must be a first in the history of
 computers that it works and appears to work well !  I'd have expected
 to
 see some smoke by now ;)  I'm really curious to hear what the dickens
 it
 is doing with the current state of the firmware and also if there was
 some documentation I missed during initial setup that would have
 advised
 against using the USB control option if the 100w PA is present - I've
 got to believe that most of the SDR-1Ks connected to A/J/O are NOT
the
 1w variety.
 
 Pete, N3EVL
 
 
 


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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Ruben Navarro Huedo
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 Bill,
 
 Thanks for the update.  I've never used the parallel port on my PC to
 talk to the SDR - even when I was using the Delta 44 card, I was using
 the USB-parallel option.  I actually have a printer plugged in to the
 parallel port - maybe PowerSDR is reading that for the power levels! It
 still amazes me that this appears to fail so gracefully.  In my
 experience when those pesky 1s and 0s are left to themselves, they tend
 to naughtiness ;)
 
 Question: is it possible to use A/J/O in soundcard-only mode and control
 the SDR via the USB-Parallel option or do I have to use the parallel
 port? (I can always move the printer off the parallel port to a usb port
 if necessary since it talks either way).

one silly question of flex-newbie.
What is A/J/O ?

Thank's !
-- 
Ruben Navarro Huedo
http://www.palotes.com
http://www.cabodesantapola.org

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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Bill Tracey
Yes.  Just select USB control instead of Ozy control in the Setup 
panels, and select Janus/Ozy as the audio device.

Regards,

Bill


At 06:13 AM 8/14/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
snip...
Question: is it possible to use A/J/O in soundcard-only mode and control
the SDR via the USB-Parallel option or do I have to use the parallel
port? (I can always move the printer off the parallel port to a usb port
if necessary since it talks either way).



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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Mike Naruta
Not a silly question Ruben.


A/J/O refers to Atlas, Janus, and Ozymandias of the
homebrew HPSDR.

Atlas is the mother board, Ozy is the control board,
and Janus is the Analog/Digital board (to take the
place of a sound card when talking to the SDR-1000).


See  www.hpsdr.org 


Mike - AA8K



Ruben Navarro Huedo wrote:
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 one silly question of flex-newbie.
 What is A/J/O ?
 
 Thank's !

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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Gerd Loch
Hi Bill,

besides the fact that the A/D-values from the pa are not read with J/O you
need only 1 usb-cable between computer and SDR. That is the main reason for
me to use J/O with the SDR1000. 
Therefore I can use the parallel port for my printer again.

73 Gerd



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Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K


Bill,

Thanks for the update.  I've never used the parallel port on my PC to talk
to the SDR - even when I was using the Delta 44 card, I was using the
USB-parallel option.  I actually have a printer plugged in to the parallel
port - maybe PowerSDR is reading that for the power levels! It still amazes
me that this appears to fail so gracefully.  In my experience when those
pesky 1s and 0s are left to themselves, they tend to naughtiness ;)

Question: is it possible to use A/J/O in soundcard-only mode and control the
SDR via the USB-Parallel option or do I have to use the parallel port? (I
can always move the printer off the parallel port to a usb port if necessary
since it talks either way).

 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Tracey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:58 AM
 To: Thompson, Peter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: RE: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
 
 Well I just looked at the code and the amplifier ADC is definitely not 
 being read via OJ ... it in fact is being read directly from the 
 parallel port which would seem to me that you'd get back garbage data 
 since presumably there's nothing connected to the parallel port.
 
 If you want to confirm the code is in the path I think it is, run 
 PowerSDR from the command line with stdout and stderr redirected to a
 file:
 
 PowerSDR 21 runlog.txt
 
 And look at the contents of runlog.txt after running -- if the code is 
 were I think it is you'll see some messages like:
 
   warning - Ozy ADC read not implemented!!
 
 Next time I'm in there changing code I will change it to explicitly 
 fail if you try and read the ADC  via OJ  -- this will be temporary  
 until I've gotten the read ADC code written, something I hope to get 
 to soon as I've now installed the 100 watt amp in my SDR 1000.
 
 Regards,
 
 Bill (kd5tfd)
 
 
 At 02:46 PM 8/13/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flexradio-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   radio.biz] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:10 PM
   To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
  
   I'm confused!
 
 That makes two of us !
 
  
   I have been running AJOFlex since day one and all versions (1.6,
 1.9,
   1.91)
   read my forward and reverse powers and display the powers
correctly
   as well as calculating/displaying the SWR on PowerSDR. My only 
   connection to the PC is via USB.
  
 
 I must admit, I'd only assumed that the power levels being reported
 were
 correct - when everything appears to work there doesn't seem to be a 
 reason to go looking for problems.  If, as Bill indicates, that the 
 firmware is incomplete, then it must be a first in the history of 
 computers that it works and appears to work well !  I'd have expected
 to
 see some smoke by now ;)  I'm really curious to hear what the dickens
 it
 is doing with the current state of the firmware and also if there was 
 some documentation I missed during initial setup that would have
 advised
 against using the USB control option if the 100w PA is present - I've 
 got to believe that most of the SDR-1Ks connected to A/J/O are NOT
the
 1w variety.
 
 Pete, N3EVL
 
 
 


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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Peter G. Viscarola

one silly question of flex-newbie.
What is A/J/O ?


Not silly at all:  Atlas/Janus/Ozzy... all part of the HPSDR project 
http://hpsdr.org/

de Peter K1PGV


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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-14 Thread Bill Tracey
Hmmm ...much to my great surprise and some embarrassment, there 
actually is a working code path to read the 100 watt ADC with the 
current AJO code.

The way I'd planned to implement this was to call FX2 microcode on 
Ozy to read the ADC value similar to the way the Flex USB adapter 
works.  In prep for that I'd put in a hook and a warning message into 
the current PowerSDR code that reads the ADC.  I accidentally left 
out the return from my not implemented warning branch -- this caused 
the code to get into the existing PowerSDR code that reads the ADC by 
bit banging the RFE registers.  As it turns out the RFE bit banging 
stuff is all implemented for AJO so low and behold the code can read 
the ADC!   Who have thunk it -- one of the rare times I've seen code 
get into places it was not supposed to and have a good thing.

So on net - it would appear AJO with the 100 watt amp is working just 
fine.  I'll eventually clean this up and do the FX2 microcode to read 
the ADC and stop bit banging from the PC side, but all indications 
are the current code works just fine.

Regards,

Bill  (kd5tfd)


At 08:34 AM 8/14/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Bill,



Do yourself a favor, before writing any code, connect your PA and 
see what happens.



Regards,

John

k2ox



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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K (was Re: SVN: 1424 performance)

2007-08-13 Thread Thompson_Peter
Bill (and Phil),

Thanks for the info.  I must have missed that piece of information
somewhere along the way.  Must be getting old!

The weird thing is that nothing complained, even when I did the TX
calibration.

73, Pete, N3EVL

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 radio.biz] On Behalf Of Bill Tracey
 Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:38 PM
 To: n3evl; Duffy; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
 Subject: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K (was Re: SVN: 1424
 performance)
 
 The current FX2 firmware on Ozy does not have support for reading the
 A/D converter on the  100 W amp board to determine SWR  so running
 with the 100 watt amp enabled and A/J/O USB control is not something
 I'd recommend For the time being the recommended configuration is
 your pre AJO control setup and AJO as the sound card only.
 
 The good news is I'm 90% through installing a 100 watt amp in my SDR
 1000 so will be able to write that little bit of firmware shortly.
 
 Regards,
 
 Bill (kd5tfd)
 
 At 07:05 PM 8/12/2007, n3evl wrote:
 ...snip...
 
 Can somebody clarify the situation with HPSDR A/J/O and control via
 the
 USB - I've been doing that since I got my A/J/O hardware, intially
 with the
 modified 1.6.3 and more recently with the beta 1.9 code and haven't
 noticed
 any inability to control the SDR-1K which has the 100w PA?  What's
the
 story?
 
 Pete, N3EVL
 
 
 
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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-13 Thread john_eckert
I'm confused!  

I have been running AJOFlex since day one and all versions (1.6, 1.9, 1.91) 
read my forward and reverse powers and display the powers correctly
as well as calculating/displaying the SWR on PowerSDR. My only
connection to the PC is via USB.

Regards,
John
k2ox


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Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:38:27 -0500
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Subject: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K (was Re: SVN: 1424
performance)
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The current FX2 firmware on Ozy does not have support for reading the 
A/D converter on the  100 W amp board to determine SWR  so running 
with the 100 watt amp enabled and A/J/O USB control is not something 
I'd recommend For the time being the recommended configuration is 
your pre AJO control setup and AJO as the sound card only.

The good news is I'm 90% through installing a 100 watt amp in my SDR 
1000 so will be able to write that little bit of firmware shortly.

Regards,

Bill (kd5tfd)

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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-13 Thread Thompson_Peter


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 radio.biz] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:10 PM
 To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
 
 I'm confused!

That makes two of us !

 
 I have been running AJOFlex since day one and all versions (1.6, 1.9,
 1.91)
 read my forward and reverse powers and display the powers correctly
 as well as calculating/displaying the SWR on PowerSDR. My only
 connection to the PC is via USB.
 

I must admit, I'd only assumed that the power levels being reported were
correct - when everything appears to work there doesn't seem to be a
reason to go looking for problems.  If, as Bill indicates, that the
firmware is incomplete, then it must be a first in the history of
computers that it works and appears to work well !  I'd have expected to
see some smoke by now ;)  I'm really curious to hear what the dickens it
is doing with the current state of the firmware and also if there was
some documentation I missed during initial setup that would have advised
against using the USB control option if the 100w PA is present - I've
got to believe that most of the SDR-1Ks connected to A/J/O are NOT the
1w variety.

Pete, N3EVL
 

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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-13 Thread john_eckert
In the very first AJO ready software there was a lot of debug code that
really slowed the VFO/mouse knob response.  I imagine the same delay 
reading PA power A/Ds sent cal routines and such out into the woods.
  
Maybe Bill put this on his todo list back then, but the gods have smiled 
on him and taken care of things in the mean time. 

73,
John
k2ox

confused!
 
 That makes two of us !
 
 
.
.
.have advised
 against using the USB control option if the 100w PA is present - I've
 got to believe that most of the SDR-1Ks connected to A/J/O are NOT the
 1w variety.
 
 Pete, N3EVL
  
 

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Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K

2007-08-13 Thread Bill Tracey
Well I just looked at the code and the amplifier ADC is definitely 
not being read via OJ ... it in fact is being read directly from the 
parallel port which would seem to me that you'd get back garbage data 
since presumably there's nothing connected to the parallel port.

If you want to confirm the code is in the path I think it is, run 
PowerSDR from the command line with stdout and stderr redirected to a file:

PowerSDR 21 runlog.txt

And look at the contents of runlog.txt after running -- if the code 
is were I think it is you'll see some messages like:

  warning - Ozy ADC read not implemented!!

Next time I'm in there changing code I will change it to explicitly 
fail if you try and read the ADC  via OJ  -- this will be 
temporary  until I've gotten the read ADC code written, something I 
hope to get to soon as I've now installed the 100 watt amp in my SDR 1000.

Regards,

Bill (kd5tfd)


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  To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Flexradio] A/J/O + 100 watt SDR 1K
 
  I'm confused!

That makes two of us !

 
  I have been running AJOFlex since day one and all versions (1.6, 1.9,
  1.91)
  read my forward and reverse powers and display the powers correctly
  as well as calculating/displaying the SWR on PowerSDR. My only
  connection to the PC is via USB.
 

I must admit, I'd only assumed that the power levels being reported were
correct - when everything appears to work there doesn't seem to be a
reason to go looking for problems.  If, as Bill indicates, that the
firmware is incomplete, then it must be a first in the history of
computers that it works and appears to work well !  I'd have expected to
see some smoke by now ;)  I'm really curious to hear what the dickens it
is doing with the current state of the firmware and also if there was
some documentation I missed during initial setup that would have advised
against using the USB control option if the 100w PA is present - I've
got to believe that most of the SDR-1Ks connected to A/J/O are NOT the
1w variety.

Pete, N3EVL




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