Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Melchior FRANZ wrote: be aware that the UFO is primarily a means to explore the scenery, to take screenshots, for scenery object placement etc. An UFO cockpit and fancy realistic flight behavior might not be compatible with this purpose. We'd have to take a look at this first. In the end it might be desirable to have two *-set.xml files: one boring development version, and one real UFO. I understand. Leave the existing ufo alone, and I'll need to create a different Unencumbered Flying Object that can be GPL'd. When I stop improving what I've already made, and start creating a new real ufo, I'll get back to you (all). :) Are submodels disabled in the ufo? I believe someone suggested I convert to yasim or jsbsim for some other reason (too)... Stewart - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Hi Melchior,
I had tried getting the ufo from cvs last month, had trouble, and didn't have
time to dive in...
From the ufo_20060710.zip dated 2006-Jul-11 25134 bytes:
Using arrow keys gives
Nasal runtime error: non-objects have no members
at /usr/local/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/ufo/ufo.nas, line 717
Failed to execute command nasal
And clicking gives
Nasal runtime error: non-objects have no members
at /usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/ufo/ufo.nas, line 579
if (KbdCtrl.getBoolValue()) {
I think the problem is at line 875 thru 877, these nodes have not been
created. Need arg[1] to be true.
But after fixing that, I still can't get anything to happen (when clicking or
keypress up and down.) except it does bring up the textbox above (0)
Models/fgfsdb/RAFTower.xml
Browsing the internal properties, I see the new nodes are still undefined. If
I set them to 0 or false, then things start working.
But it still ignores the modifier keys. Ctrl, Shift don't function.
Is 0.9.10 missing something here, or what else could it be?
Stewart
Looking at my directory:
Apr-27 9:45:55 [0[pts/7:41]sandreas /4Aircraft/ufo ls
total 44
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas 471 Jan 5 2004 ufo-sound.xml
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas 3667 Jan 17 2005 thumbnail.jpg
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas 3636 Jun 19 2006 ufo-set.xml
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas29705 Jul 10 2006 ufo.nas
drwxr-xr-x2 sandreas 2048 Mar 28 18:59 Models/
Apr-27 9:45:55 [0[pts/7:42]sandreas /4Aircraft/ufo ls Models
total 88
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas33775 Mar 18 2004 ufo.ac
-rwxr-xr-x1 sandreas 699 Apr 5 2004 ufo.xml*
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas 2117 Mar 14 2006 cursor.rgb
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas31620 Mar 14 2006 cursor.ac
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas 8637 Apr 11 2006 sign.rgb
-rw-r--r--1 sandreas 1786 May 1 2006 sign.ac
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Stewart Andreason -- Saturday 10 March 2007:
Perhaps the improvements I made, regarding VTOL or vertical hovering, with
bindings to joystick and now keyboard, could be integrated into your ufo?
Would I check out the current cvs to make proposed patches?
It's not really my UFO, although I kind-of maintain it ATM. It's more
a common project property. But yes, for submitting a patch you should
check out the CVS version, and make a cvs diff against it. You should
be aware that the UFO is primarily a means to explore the scenery, to take
screenshots, for scenery object placement etc. An UFO cockpit and fancy
realistic flight behavior might not be compatible with this purpose.
We'd have to take a look at this first. In the end it might be desirable
to have two *-set.xml files: one boring development version, and one real
UFO.
Also, the formula to make the shadow shrink with altitude could be
a useful idea.
Er ... what?
Many new screenshots available, (but only 4 Mb per hour)
Some of them look really nice. :-)
m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
After some research into this, I understand how my models cannot be GPL due to Paramount/Viacom rights regarding their copyrighted material. So I partially take back my wish to replace the ufo. At least the Greys from the Roswell saucer don't have lawyers. ;) But my models are still available. At least That, I think is acceptable. Melchior, Perhaps the improvements I made, regarding VTOL or vertical hovering, with bindings to joystick and now keyboard, could be integrated into your ufo? Would I check out the current cvs to make proposed patches? Also, the formula to make the shadow shrink with altitude could be a useful idea. Also, ... I said I wouldn't do the interior,... was I so wrong. That's turned out to be the best eye-candy yet! Now I've done some work on variable interior lighting to compensate for the sun going down. shuttle6 is now very flyable from the cockpit. And the trek-related insignia can be turned off. But the hull design is still obvious. So, how much would the model have to not resemble star trek, or any of the 2 dozen other space shows that I can think of? to be safe to include in Flightgear? Would a similar model with the _functionality_ of shuttle6 be of interest?? (I can change several (more) aspects of the craft, beyond color and shape, since now 69.4% of the vertices are not based on previous works... but every shape and wing design can resemble some existing space show or game...) This must be why the Area51 saucer and Boeing craft are safe... not from Hollywood. Many new screenshots available, (but only 4 Mb per hour) Stewart GWMobile wrote: Of course it should not be included in the package. Legal 101 :-) On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 9:48 am, Steve Hosgood wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Ignoring GPL issues for a moment (important though they may be), the entire concept of the Star Trek® Danube-Class® Landing Craft® is copyright© by Paramount Pictures® until about the year 2845 (assuming the US government manage to keep extending the terms as they have for the last 50 or so years). Is it safe for FG to include such a likely target for Paramount Pictures'® Copyright© Lawyers® (*)? It looks like a great model (from the screenshots) and probably would be nice eye candy and publicity for the FG project, but it could be a ticking bomb for us. I'm rather uneasy about it all Steve (*) Yes, I'm overdoing the ®'s and ©'s for effect :-) Have you ever read the blurb on offical ST merchandise? It's plastered with them - and tm too (which I don't seem to have a symbol for, otherwise I'd have abused that too!). - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
* Stewart Andreason -- Saturday 10 March 2007: Perhaps the improvements I made, regarding VTOL or vertical hovering, with bindings to joystick and now keyboard, could be integrated into your ufo? Would I check out the current cvs to make proposed patches? It's not really my UFO, although I kind-of maintain it ATM. It's more a common project property. But yes, for submitting a patch you should check out the CVS version, and make a cvs diff against it. You should be aware that the UFO is primarily a means to explore the scenery, to take screenshots, for scenery object placement etc. An UFO cockpit and fancy realistic flight behavior might not be compatible with this purpose. We'd have to take a look at this first. In the end it might be desirable to have two *-set.xml files: one boring development version, and one real UFO. Also, the formula to make the shadow shrink with altitude could be a useful idea. Er ... what? Many new screenshots available, (but only 4 Mb per hour) Some of them look really nice. :-) m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Stewart Andreason schrieb: Many new screenshots available, (but only 4 Mb per hour) Stewart Hi Stewart, can you give the link - I lost it somehow. Thank you. Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
* Georg Vollnhals -- Saturday 10 March 2007: can you give the link - I lost it somehow. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Sure, sorry! http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Georg Vollnhals wrote: Hi Stewart, can you give the link - I lost it somehow. Thank you. Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Oh no, No cockpit! :) Just the VTOL or hover capabilities might be useful. Melchior FRANZ wrote: You should be aware that the UFO is primarily a means to explore the scenery, to take screenshots, for scenery object placement etc. An UFO cockpit and fancy realistic flight behavior might not be compatible with this purpose. Right. We'd have to take a look at this first. In the end it might be desirable to have two *-set.xml files: one boring development version, and one real UFO. Well, the real UFO is what I'm trying to make. For flying purposes. But it seems I will have to make one with no Hollywood ties. and thus it might be original or boring depending on how it is taken. That firefly idea was neat, but definitely un-traditional. Also, the formula to make the shadow shrink with altitude could be a useful idea. Er ... what? When I added shadows to the 3 craft I have, I found it nicer to have the shadow shrink as altitude increases. Many new screenshots available, (but only 4 Mb per hour) Some of them look really nice. :-) Thank you, I think I worked harder on them than I intended to. Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Stewart Andreason schrieb: Sure, sorry! http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Thank you both Melchior and Stewart for the link! Just downloading, the interior stuff looks really nice on the screenshots! Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
* Stewart Andreason -- Saturday 10 March 2007: When I added shadows to the 3 craft I have, I found it nicer to have the shadow shrink as altitude increases. Err ... but they don't in real life. They just *look* smaller when they are farther away, just like in FlightGear already. (Theoretically, they should even get bigger, but you'd need to be at a very high altitude -- let's say a few million km. :-) m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Stewart Andreason -- Saturday 10 March 2007: When I added shadows to the 3 craft I have, I found it nicer to have the shadow shrink as altitude increases. Err ... but they don't in real life. They just *look* smaller when they are farther away, just like in FlightGear already. (Theoretically, they should even get bigger, but you'd need to be at a very high altitude -- let's say a few million km. :-) Hmm, technically, either one of you guys can be right, depending on which shadow you look at. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penumbra Since the sun is not a point light source, the dark core of the shadow, the umbra will get smaller, but the half illuminated edge, the penumbra will get larger. Cheers, Durk - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Hi M, Well yes, you're right. The outside edge of the shadow should get larger, albeit fractionally. But what I was attempting to replicate was the light that refracts around the object makes the shadow Appear smaller, like you also said. The alternative I guess, would be to make the transparent value increase with altitude. The viewpoint I was addressing, was from a fixed viewpoint, like the tower. Stewart Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Stewart Andreason -- Saturday 10 March 2007: When I added shadows to the 3 craft I have, I found it nicer to have the shadow shrink as altitude increases. Err ... but they don't in real life. They just *look* smaller when they are farther away, just like in FlightGear already. (Theoretically, they should even get bigger, but you'd need to be at a very high altitude -- let's say a few million km. :-) m. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and many comments and questions
Hi Durk, Thanks for the technical tip. I should rename my shadows as Umbra(s) ;D And probably recalculate the % decrease in width. Sounds like a fun math problem. :) Stewart Durk Talsma wrote: Hmm, technically, either one of you guys can be right, depending on which shadow you look at. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penumbra Since the sun is not a point light source, the dark core of the shadow, the umbra will get smaller, but the half illuminated edge, the penumbra will get larger. Cheers, Durk - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Hi Martin, That quote comes from the credits file in the danube package, written by Matthew Allen, complete with misspellings and discontinued email addresses. My interpretation of non-commercial is, not to be sold by a business without compensation. I don't see FlightGear as commercial, or for profit. I received free (mostly), and give freely (with same conditions). As I read the GPL, I am fine with that. I did add animations to what I downloaded, but I don't think that violates the original work. I am not completely sure how to regard shuttle6, as I did more than convert the mesh to something usable, I did add to it. But I still credit the original author, but don't expect my name pasted all over my accomplishments. Does that cover every angle? Did I mis-interpret anything? Stewart Martin Spott wrote: Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Cheers, Martin. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Martin Spott wrote: Hi Stewart, Stewart Andreason wrote: I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. How would you define non-profit commercial use. Does your intention meet the demands of the GPLv2 ? Ignoring GPL issues for a moment (important though they may be), the entire concept of the Star Trek® Danube-Class® Landing Craft® is copyright© by Paramount Pictures® until about the year 2845 (assuming the US government manage to keep extending the terms as they have for the last 50 or so years). Is it safe for FG to include such a likely target for Paramount Pictures'® Copyright© Lawyers® (*)? It looks like a great model (from the screenshots) and probably would be nice eye candy and publicity for the FG project, but it could be a ticking bomb for us. I'm rather uneasy about it all Steve (*) Yes, I'm overdoing the ®'s and ©'s for effect :-) Have you ever read the blurb on offical ST merchandise? It's plastered with them - and tm too (which I don't seem to have a symbol for, otherwise I'd have abused that too!). - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
I thought I was done, but you know how it goes. I thought of several ideas for improvements, and managed to write the code to do it. In the latest, and hopefully final release of shuttlecraft and runabout, I have doubled the nasal code size to make ALL engine animations and sound effects act more realistic. Several other texture tweaking, and only a couple vertices errors. Also, I have added keyboard support and on-screen help, to look more finished. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Oh, and the smash to get thru the bandwidth door only lasted for the first hour last time... so waiting an hour from this timestamp can't hurt. Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
To everybody who is interested in ufo alternatives, the runabout and both shuttles are now out of development, and have undergone substantial improvements. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Enjoy! Stewart Joacim Persson wrote: Ha! You can run but you can't hide from the PS-05/Blue Vixen radar. ;) Can the emblem or door positions of the bo105 be seen across a network? Part of me thinks you're joking, but the other part wants to know. :) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Stewart Andreason wrote: Hi Ampere, Actually creating a cloaking device isn't that difficult, Ha! You can run but you can't hide from the PS-05/Blue Vixen radar. ;) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Friday 26 January 2007 01:16, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: AJ is currently holding 1st place with nearly 50,000 vertices with his Sopwith Camel. To be fair, Vivian has added a fair percentage of those too :-) (the Camel is a joint project). Worth every one of them though - have a look at the Vickers guns... Cheers, AJ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Hi Ampere, Actually creating a cloaking device isn't that difficult, having already experimented with transparency for the windows. I created a patch for danube runabout, and put it here: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/danube_cloak_patch.zip Press [TAB] to bring up the dialog menu to access it. or press landing gear button on joystick. (it was easiest to tap into, without rewriting the joystick.xml. But too easy to press accidentally.) It does create one side effect though, one that I may not figure out how to get around, without some help. Once the cloaking device is activated the first time, any non-textured surface with color, becomes washed out, even Grey. unless in direct sunlight. There is some effect from using Material:Transparency:alpha-property that changes something it shouldn't. Unless it is a feature I don't understand. Maybe the specularity? How can I access it to change it back? Enjoy! :) Stewart Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On Thursday 25 January 2007 02:46, Dene wrote: With or without cloaking device? Oooh... I wonder what sort of methods could pull that off. :) - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
I'm personally hoping a shuttlecraft will replace the ufo. Light and maneuverable, excellent for flying close to the ground, up mountain canyons. But you probably guessed that already. ;) Perhaps the Klingon Bird of Prey is small enough to fly near the ground. If it doesn't have too many vertices and faces. That's what's taken me over a year to get working with the runabout. I'd still like to know what that limitation actually is. Actually, it wouldn't be hard to implement a cloaking device. Just make every object an animation, and turn it off... Kind of defeats the purpose of having the model though, unless you're in a multi-player environment. Glad you like them, Enjoy! Stewart -- Dene wrote: Nice models - I am looking forward to a klingon vessel! With or without cloaking device? Wouldn't a Klingon warbird be a nice alternative to the UFO? Dene NZWN - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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On Thursday 25 January 2007 02:46, Dene wrote: With or without cloaking device? Oooh... I wonder what sort of methods could pull that off. :) Wouldn't a Klingon warbird be a nice alternative to the UFO? I would assume so. :) Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On 1/25/07, Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Actually, it wouldn't be hard to implement a cloaking device. Just make every object an animation, and turn it off... Ah, but on the shows, the ships don't disappear suddenly; they fade out with that characteristic cloaking noise. :) Kind of defeats the purpose of having the model though, unless you're in a multi-player environment. Actually, I'm not sure it will work across the network. Which means you might not be able to see yourself, but others can see your perfectly. Sounds strikingly similar to that unfortunate incident I had last summer with the cloaking body suit I bought off of ebay. :-( Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi everybody, I have been working on some Star Trek shuttlecraft and the runabout to fly instead of the ufo saucer, for 2 years (off and on). While I know most of you are dedicated to wing-based aircraft, I am sure there are others who like to fly around just for the scenery. I have finally reached a point where I can call it done, with only some flight-handling details remaining. So I have a few questions: Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml? How can I modify a factor-property to get only the integer? example in Models/danube.xml : animation typematerial/type object-nameMesh.ImpulseGlow/object-name emission factor-prop/velocities/airspeed-kt/factor-prop red0.0002/red /emission /animation doesn't work when airspeed is negative. 2nd: Does the ufo flight model have any variables I can set, to Detect the ground and stay above it? 3rd: Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings? (I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...) 4th: material emissions do not cast light on nearby surfaces. Are there other light sources available? 5th, an observation: It seems there is a ceiling at 262410 ft. above which, there is no black space. No, I don't expect to fly to the moon, but it would be cool to see the earth from space. ;) Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html My thanks to Melchior for the bo105 files to learn animation from, and for the blender-textured-lights tutorial. Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
* Stewart Andreason -- Wednesday 24 January 2007:
Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml?
Use of Nasal in XML is no different from using it elsewhere.
Here in this case you can't embed any nasal:
emission
factor-prop/velocities/airspeed-kt/factor-prop
red0.0002/red
/emission
doesn't work when airspeed is negative.
But you can simply use a different property and write some Nasal
elsewhere that updates that airspeed property accordingly:
factor-prop/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt/factor-prop
In a *.nas file or elsewhere:
var airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/airspeed-kt, 1);
var abs_airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt, 1);
update_airspeed = func {
var a = abs(airspeed.getValue());
abs_airspeed.setDoubleValue(a);
settimer(update_airspeed, 0);
}
update_airspeed();
You may have to initialize the airspeed property or defer its usage
(via /sim/signals/fdm-initialized listener if you are using fg/cvs).
2nd:
Does the ufo flight model have any variables I can set, to Detect the ground
and stay above it?
No. The ufo FDM was never thought to simulate an actual ufo. It's
just the scenery browser and was originally thought (by the author)
to replace the old scenery browser -- the magic FDM. That's why
it doesn't have any fancy features, and I somehow doubt any such will
be added for nicer UFO experience.
3rd:
Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings?
(I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...)
No. You could, of course, fake that via a dynamic_view like
mechanism. Just tilt 3D model and view. Or use an FDM that
supports it. That would be YASim.
4th:
material emissions do not cast light on nearby surfaces. Are there other
light
sources available?
Not yet. I bet Mathias has plans for that. :-)
My thanks to Melchior for the bo105 files to learn animation from, and for
the
blender-textured-lights tutorial.
I'm glad that at least a few people look at this stuff. :-)
unfortunately, the fgfs_animation.py is broken and waits for a fix.
m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
--- Stewart Andreason [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, Sorry, but I get following message: Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. And a question: Why it is called Danube ? :-) Greetings HHS Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html My thanks to Melchior for the bo105 files to learn animation from, and for the blender-textured-lights tutorial. Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Curtis Olson schreef: On 1/24/07, *Heiko Schulz* wrote: Hi, Sorry, but I get following message: Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. And a question: Why it is called Danube ? :-) Greetings HHS Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html It's the dreaded FlightGear effect again ... :-) Post a link on the FlightGear mailing list and that site quickly gets overwhelmed with too much traffic. Same problem here. On the Danube question: The Danube is the name of the class of a runabout in Star Trek and was first introduced in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. All of DS9's runabouts were named after rivers on Earth. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Danube_class I'd really like some more spacecraft popping up, such as Serenity from Firefly, which is actually a model based on real-world aviation principles (e.g. has VTOL with reaction jets, etc.). I'm making a bit of a case study of building a light sci-fi styled spacecraft sim based on Serenity, which can be used for orbital flight and atmospheric flight (and be used to simulate real-world aircraft as well). Not sure if the sim will ever get built, but it might be possible to combine the efforts of Orbiter (for orbital / space simulation) and FlightGear (atmo flight), possibly with visuals on the planet from FS2004 or FSX. If you look on the net (see link) you can find a lot of data on the Danube class -- keep in mind that the model was never designed for real-world flight and I'm not sure how much a good FDM would appreciate this. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi, Geocities has an hourly limit of 4.2Mb for free accounts, so there's not much I can do short of finding a different site to host on. I had forgotten about this and did not anticipate the high level of interest. Because Danube is shorter than runabout? ;) or because I wouldn't name a c172 as airplane. Makes sense to me, and I'm sticking by it. :) Looks like R. took care of the why question. Stewart Curtis Olson wrote: On 1/24/07, *Heiko Schulz* wrote: Hi, Sorry, but I get following message: Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. And a question: Why it is called Danube ? :-) Greetings HHS Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html It's the dreaded FlightGear effect again ... :-) Post a link on the FlightGear mailing list and that site quickly gets overwhelmed with too much traffic. Curt. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi, Problem with orbital flight in FlightGear, is the scenery cache gets bogged down fast enough as it is. I believe I saw a comment about that, perhaps in the last month, that the tile cache doesn't get deleted properly. Of course, not a problem for normal aircraft, or short flights. The danube model may not be designed for real-world flight, and it would take me quite a while to learn how to integrate it with yasim, but with the exception of VTOL, I am quite happy with the way it flies with the ufo logic. More spacecraft here and there? :) Like shuttles flying in and out near the SFO bay bridge, just like in the movies. Don't give any ideas... :D Stewart R. van Steenbergen wrote: I'd really like some more spacecraft popping up, such as Serenity from Firefly, which is actually a model based on real-world aviation principles (e.g. has VTOL with reaction jets, etc.). I'm making a bit of a case study of building a light sci-fi styled spacecraft sim based on Serenity, which can be used for orbital flight and atmospheric flight (and be used to simulate real-world aircraft as well). Not sure if the sim will ever get built, but it might be possible to combine the efforts of Orbiter (for orbital / space simulation) and FlightGear (atmo flight), possibly with visuals on the planet from FS2004 or FSX. If you look on the net (see link) you can find a lot of data on the Danube class -- keep in mind that the model was never designed for real-world flight and I'm not sure how much a good FDM would appreciate this. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi Melchior,
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Stewart Andreason -- Wednesday 24 January 2007:
Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml?
Use of Nasal in XML is no different from using it elsewhere.
But I still need a manual. I can only learn from existing code, when said
models have every possible function included in use!
But you can simply use a different property and write some Nasal
elsewhere that updates that airspeed property accordingly:
factor-prop/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt/factor-prop
In a *.nas file or elsewhere:
var airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/airspeed-kt, 1);
var abs_airspeed = props.globals.getNode(/velocities/abs-airspeed-kt, 1);
right, and why are some variables declared without the var?
update_airspeed = func {
var a = abs(airspeed.getValue());
abs_airspeed.setDoubleValue(a);
settimer(update_airspeed, 0);
}
update_airspeed();
Ah, that's the part I didn't know about.
No. The ufo FDM was never thought to simulate an actual ufo. It's
just the scenery browser and was originally thought (by the author)
to replace the old scenery browser
Didn't anticipate that one, huh? :D
Another good reason to demonstrate the possibilities.
Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings?
(I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...)
No. You could, of course, fake that via a dynamic_view like
mechanism. Just tilt 3D model and view. Or use an FDM that
supports it. That would be YASim.
Ok, I searched the entire code base, and can't find any text like
dynamic_view. So this returns to question #1...
I'm glad that at least a few people look at this stuff. :-)
unfortunately, the fgfs_animation.py is broken and waits for a fix.
Ah, yes, a little broken... but it was adequate to figure out how the emission
billboards work.
2 New questions:
Is it known that overlapping transparent textures cancel out the ones behind?
I had to keep the warp glow from overlapping any other animations, (for
example).
And, Why do large .ac files give SegFault11 and crash? when the same mesh,
saved in .3ds does load ok?
(I am no longer certain why some meshes load in FG and some don't.)
Perhaps, Does the ac format create a size limitation inside FG?
Thanks,
Stewart
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 14:54, Stewart Andreason wrote: I have finally reached a point where I can call it done, with only some flight-handling details remaining. So I have a few questions: Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml? Not really, though there is a homepage for Nasal: http://www.plausible.org/nasal/ 2nd: Does the ufo flight model have any variables I can set, to Detect the ground and stay above it? I think you should be able to pull it off with Nasal by modifying the properties under /positions. 3rd: Does the ufo flight model support vertical take offs and landings? (I see reactor jets in the harrier model, but ...) Possibily, with Nasal, also by modifying properties under /positions. 4th: material emissions do not cast light on nearby surfaces. Are there other light sources available? Unfortunately, no. 5th, an observation: It seems there is a ceiling at 262410 ft. above which, there is no black space. No, I don't expect to fly to the moon, but it would be cool to see the earth from space. ;) Yeah, that's a bugger. I can't use FG in a presentation for a microsatellite. :( Screenshots and downloadable files are at: http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/flightgear_aircraft.html Looks good. Ampere - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Hi Ampere and Melchior and everybody who downloaded the shuttlecraft models, I have completed the VTOL and ground handling I desired to put in the model! Many thanks to those who answered the questions, it was helpful. I have updated all files, but if you were successful in downloading anything today, don't worry! I have put together a small patch-file (with 3 text files) to make the upgrade easy. http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/danube_patch.zip http://www.geocities.com/sandreas41/data/shuttleG_patch.zip Melchior FRANZ wrote: No. The ufo FDM was never thought to simulate an actual ufo. It's just the scenery browser and was originally thought (by the author) to replace the old scenery browser -- the magic FDM. That's why it doesn't have any fancy features, and I somehow doubt any such will be added for nicer UFO experience. I think the fancy features have just been added. The nasal angle works very well. VTOL is available through the Hat on multi-button joysticks, in combination with the F4 modifier, (elevator trim). [TAB] also brings up a menu, for those who want to change the defaults. :) Stewart - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] announcing star trek runabout shuttle and questions
Is there a programmer's guide to nasal and xml? http://wiki.flightgear.org/ has a lot http://www.plausible.org/nasal is good for nasal the Docs dircectory of the fg installation And of course - source code is the best documentation ;-) Nice models - I am looking forward to a klingon vessel! Torsten - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
