RE: DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found 
that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to 
implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about 
DITA, but all the basics are there.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433

 

An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not 
FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.)  

 

Craig

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RE: DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

Amen to that!
Craig

-Original Message-

And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with 
an in-house system. It might be simple to develop something for what your 
needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever 
changes you need to make in the future.

And then there's portability...

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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

This distinction between a narrative and topics is a good one. 



I just worked through a series of manuals that were written as narratives. 
There was a lot of repeated content and procedures that were actually four or 
five procedures mixed together and then occurring later with the mixture 
slightly varied at other points in the manual.



For the content of these operator manuals, the focus on topics both reduced the 
need for repetition and allowed breaking things down procedures into units were 
both stand-alone AND understandable. The links to stand-alone topics allowed 
redefining confusing procedures by allowing the operator to focus on the big 
picture.



For this particular situation, DITA was a logical choice. 



BTW: The previous approach had created a maintenance nightmare since changing 
anything resulted in having to find all the other places where the same or 
similar text had to change as well. The conversion process uncovered numerous 
places where such changes had been not been done or was done incompletely.



Craig 



snipped-

IMHO, Docbook vs DITA is a choice between ecosystems. While Docbook is leaning 
towards the narrative, and DITA towards topics, the differences are getting 
less pronounced. E.g., DITA is slowly leaving DTDs behind, and Docbook is 
slowly getting assemblies (maps).







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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found 
that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to 
implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know about 
DITA, but all the basics are there.



http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433



An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is not 
FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.)  



Craig

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DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

Amen to that!
Craig

-Original Message-

And unless you're very clever, it's easy to paint yourself into a corner with 
an in-house system. It might be "simple" to develop something for what your 
needs are now, but you neglect to make it open-ended or scalable for whatever 
changes you need to make in the future.

And then there's portability...

Nadine

DITA/docbook vs your own schema

[Craig Ede]

Okay, I'll start from the assumption that DITA or Docbook as standards are
the way to go if you don't want to spend all kinds of time and money on
development. Of course changing to DITA or Docbook will cost time and money,
too. Just less of both.



So which: DITA or Docbook



DITA is much more restrictive. The topics are formed from a very finite set
of elements which your crew can learn to use adroitly with a little study
and practice.  Docbook has everything plus the kitchen sink thrown in as
elements because it is meant to do, well, just about everything. For my
money DITA makes a lot more sense, but your writers have to understand the
conceptual framework and work within that relative simplicity. Don't imagine
that you can do things like four levels of nested lists. Docbook, by
contrast, let's you do just about anything you've been doing in unstructured
FrameMaker, you just have to learn which of the many many elements lets you
go ahead and do that.



For my money, DITA is the way to go .



Craig



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Subject: DITA/docbook vs your own schema



Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using
DITA/docbook instead of developing your own schema? 


The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to
figure out whether we're better off working within the limitations of DITA,
or whether we should take the DIY approach. A clear list of what you save by
using DITA would be really helpful.



Many thanks!

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RE: Convert text to variables

[Craig Ede]

To do them all at once, just say Replace All. This will replace all
throughout a book with the right settings chosen. Also, if you don't have a
book, you can build a temporary one that includes all your files. You
probably one to test with will a one-by-one replace to make sure you are
getting what you want. Remember that case differences might cause a problem.

 

I doubt that FrameScript could do it better and coding this would certainly
be slower.

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christenson, Pat
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:10 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Convert text to variables

 

Thanks, Mike. I knew about the manual one-at-a-time way but was hoping to
find something faster. I guess I'll have to look into ExtendScript.

 

Pat

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Convert text to variables

 

You can do it from within FrameMaker, but not all in one step. Simply create
your variable and then copy your variable to the clipboard. Then use
Find/Change. Enter the text you want to replace in the Find section and
choose By Pasting in the Change section. The paste function will create
the variable and substitute it for the text in any other documents that you
paste into. So you only have to create and copy the variable once.

If you have a lot of terms to convert, this could take a while. So you might
want to use FrameScript or ExtendScript to create a script to do it for you.

Mike Wickham

On 6/28/2013 2:44 PM, Christenson, Pat wrote:

Is there a plugin that allows you to convert text to a variable?

 

We have a long list of terms that correspond to existing variables in
numerous documents. If we can convert the text to variables (without
manually redefining each one), it would really speed things up.

 

 

 

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RE: Converting from PDF to Word (or Frame, or anything)

[Craig Ede]

What sort of glyphs are being changed to squares? Arial Unicode is probably the 
most glyph savvy general use font. You might applying that font to your result.

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Converting from PDF to Word (or Frame, or anything)

 

On 2013-Jul-02 1:53 PM, John Posada wrote:

Hi, guys... 

 

I was given three PDF files that I need to edit and put into Frame. Two of the 
PDfs converted fine,

 

The third PDF, when converted, alot of the text converts to squares. I assume 
it is because of a font that is not on my machine.

 

It doesn't matter if I convert to Word, RTF, or XML. In fact, when I copy a 
piece of text to clipboard and paste into Notepad, I still get the squares.

 

So...is there a way during conversion to map a particular font to another font? 
This is confidential stuff, so I can't let it out of my system.

 

Thanks 

 


You could try printing the file to the Acrobat printer instance as an image 
(Advanced print properties) and then using either Acrobat or OneNote to perform 
OCR.  OneNote does that automatically when you add a file to a notebook.

Regards,



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Convert text to variables

[Craig Ede]

To do them all at once, just say "Replace All". This will replace all
throughout a book with the right settings chosen. Also, if you don't have a
book, you can build a temporary one that includes all your files. You
probably one to test with will a one-by-one replace to make sure you are
getting what you want. Remember that case differences might cause a problem.



I doubt that FrameScript could do it better and coding this would certainly
be slower.



Craig



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christenson, Pat
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:10 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Convert text to variables



Thanks, Mike. I knew about the manual one-at-a-time way but was hoping to
find something faster. I guess I'll have to look into ExtendScript.



Pat





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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Convert text to variables



You can do it from within FrameMaker, but not all in one step. Simply create
your variable and then copy your variable to the clipboard. Then use
Find/Change. Enter the text you want to replace in the Find section and
choose "By Pasting" in the Change section. The paste function will create
the variable and substitute it for the text in any other documents that you
paste into. So you only have to create and copy the variable once.

If you have a lot of terms to convert, this could take a while. So you might
want to use FrameScript or ExtendScript to create a script to do it for you.

Mike Wickham

On 6/28/2013 2:44 PM, Christenson, Pat wrote:

Is there a plugin that allows you to convert text to a variable?



We have a long list of terms that correspond to existing variables in
numerous documents. If we can convert the text to variables (without
manually redefining each one), it would really speed things up.







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Changed Section and Subsection Numbers

[Craig Ede]

I'm not sure exactly in what sense you are using "book update", but that
ambiguity brings forth a couple more observations that may help with this
problem:



Updating the Numbering Properties within the book (usually done by selecting
one or more files in the book, right-clicking and choosing Numbering
Properties which opens the Numbering properties dialog box).

The templates I set up have the numbering properties set at the book level
so that users don't have to mess with this. However, if the books can't be
predefined, a good description of what to check for in these settings should
be part of the template documentation. 



Updating the book to produce the correct numbering of pages, etc. This used
to be Generate/Update. (In the open book files, select the book file at the
top of the list of components and choose File>Update book):

This will update the numbering according to the current book settings.
REMEMBER: If you have files open, they will have to be saved to preserve the
numbering. A "best practice" is to do this will all the component files
closed as this ensures that they are opened and then saved in the updated
state.



Remember also that printing a book results in an update occurring (again
without saving if the files are open).



Craig



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Saylor, PE
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:22 AM
To: 'Harvey Rosenfeld'; 'framers'
Subject: RE: Changed Section and Subsection Numbers



Harvey,



I had a similar problem on a ~10 chapter book. One or two of the chapters
would never get the formatting right even though each template was the same
and each chapter had the Format - Document - Numbering (and Page) set
properly. It was only when I would do Book Updates that the formatting and
page sequencing would be properly "forced".

Bill



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:41 AM
To: Harvey Rosenfeld; framers
Subject: RE: Changed Section and Subsection Numbers



It may be as simple as going into the Paragraph tab in the numbering for
that section and changing that to "Continue numbering from Previous file"
(don't recall the selection exactly).

The numbering is a delicate interaction between a number of settings.
Usually putting your content into the containers provided by the template
(and removing overrides from any of the numbered paragraph tags) will fix
problems. (Of course, that assumes you have a good template.)

It is NOT usually a good idea to start trying this and that setting while
hoping for the best.

Craig


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From: hrose...@ansi.org
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changed Section and Subsection Numbers
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:15 +

Framers: I need your help. In a multi-section book, my section and
subsection numbers in section 2 reverted from 2, 2.1, 2.2, etc. to 1, 1.1,
1.2, etc. I don't know why this happened; I didn't (knowingly) do anything
to this chapter. This section did read 2, 2.1, 2.2 this morning. I went into
Format - Document - Numbering and tried to fix the Chapter, Section, and
Sub-section tabs in Numbering Properties, but nothing is working. Section
2's numbering remains 1, 1.1, 1.2. Luckily, this glitch has not affected the
section and subsection numbers in any of the other chapters in this book. I
could use some step-by-step instructions on how to get the section numbers
to convert back to 2, 2.1, 2.2. 



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RE: Changed Section and Subsection Numbers

[Craig Ede]

It may be as simple as going into the Paragraph tab in the numbering for that 
section and changing that to Continue numbering from Previous file (don't 
recall the selection exactly).

 

The numbering is a delicate interaction between a number of settings. Usually 
putting your content into the containers provided by the template (and removing 
overrides from any of the numbered paragraph tags) will fix problems. (Of 
course, that assumes you have a good template.)

 

It is NOT usually a good idea to start trying this and that setting while 
hoping for the best.

 

Craig
 



From: hrose...@ansi.org
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changed Section and Subsection Numbers
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:15 +





Framers: I need your help. In a multi-section book, my section and subsection 
numbers in section 2 reverted from 2, 2.1, 2.2, etc. to 1, 1.1, 1.2, etc. I 
don’t know why this happened; I didn’t (knowingly) do anything to this chapter. 
This section did read 2, 2.1, 2.2 this morning. I went into Format – Document – 
Numbering and tried to fix the Chapter, Section, and Sub-section tabs in 
Numbering Properties, but nothing is working. Section 2’s numbering remains 1, 
1.1, 1.2. Luckily, this glitch has not affected the section and subsection 
numbers in any of the other chapters in this book. I could use some 
step-by-step instructions on how to get the section numbers to convert back to 
2, 2.1, 2.2. 
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Changed Section and Subsection Numbers

[Craig Ede]

It may be as simple as going into the Paragraph tab in the numbering for that 
section and changing that to "Continue numbering from Previous file" (don't 
recall the selection exactly).



The numbering is a delicate interaction between a number of settings. Usually 
putting your content into the containers provided by the template (and removing 
overrides from any of the numbered paragraph tags) will fix problems. (Of 
course, that assumes you have a good template.)



It is NOT usually a good idea to start trying this and that setting while 
hoping for the best.



Craig




From: hrose...@ansi.org
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changed Section and Subsection Numbers
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 20:39:15 +





Framers: I need your help. In a multi-section book, my section and subsection 
numbers in section 2 reverted from 2, 2.1, 2.2, etc. to 1, 1.1, 1.2, etc. I 
don?t know why this happened; I didn?t (knowingly) do anything to this chapter. 
This section did read 2, 2.1, 2.2 this morning. I went into Format ? Document ? 
Numbering and tried to fix the Chapter, Section, and Sub-section tabs in 
Numbering Properties, but nothing is working. Section 2?s numbering remains 1, 
1.1, 1.2. Luckily, this glitch has not affected the section and subsection 
numbers in any of the other chapters in this book. I could use some 
step-by-step instructions on how to get the section numbers to convert back to 
2, 2.1, 2.2. 

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RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists

[Craig Ede]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't this just as simple as changing
the paragraph setting of your second and subsequent lines to start at the
point of the end of the leader dot's of the first line?

 

Also, while this may not work in this case, I often control line breaks in
the generated files by putting non-breaking spaces between words at the end
of the line in headings that don't wrap properly. This causes them to be
brought down to the second line in a controlled fashion. Since the fix is in
the heading itself, it only has to be done once.

 

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ragnar Hanås
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:37 AM
To: 'Jerilynne Knight'; 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists

 

I agree, this manual work of inserting soft returns to the index is very
irritating. 

Your solution didn´t work for me. On the reference page I have

 

$pagenum (the first “” is a tab stop)

I tried

\t$pagenum and \t\t\t$pagenum

But it did not change the index output

 

Still looks like this:

Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg …..154, 217
   232

 

And for other entries:

Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg …..154, 217
   232 .268, 395

 

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ragnar Hanas

Uddevalla Hospital

Sweden

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:18 PM
To: Stuart Rogers
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists

 

Thanks for correcting that Stuart (was multi-tasking, not wise!)

 

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Stuart Rogers 
mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
wrote:

On 2013-Jun-03 1:27 PM, Jerilynne Knight wrote:

Another way I've done this is to insert at least 3 tab characters (not tab
stops) before the page number. Maybe that will give you a bit of automation
for those long entries.

 

... Jerilynne means, on the reference page for the TOC or other generated
file.






On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jay Mahler  mailto:j...@mahler.com
j...@mahler.com wrote:

I’m sure you’ve all had the problem with TOCs, LOTs, LOFs, and even indexes.
When the title reaches the end of the line (or too many index entries), the
tab character that should position the page number at right aligned tab
doesn’t work, and the page number appears left justified on the second line
with or without continued text. I’ve always gone through and manually fixed
the issue by inserting soft returns after the lists are generated, but I
have a client with a huge document and LOTs and LOFs that are 20 pages each.
Has anyone figured out an automated way to fix this problem? My experiments
haven’t turned up a solution.

 

 

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
 tel:%2B1%20%28416%29%20491-7340%20x%20325 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
 
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The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists

[Craig Ede]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but isn't this just as simple as changing
the paragraph setting of your second and subsequent lines to start at the
point of the end of the leader dot's of the first line?



Also, while this may not work in this case, I often control line breaks in
the generated files by putting non-breaking spaces between words at the end
of the line in headings that don't wrap properly. This causes them to be
brought down to the second line in a controlled fashion. Since the fix is in
the heading itself, it only has to be done once.





Craig



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ragnar Han?s
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:37 AM
To: 'Jerilynne Knight'; 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists



I agree, this manual work of inserting soft returns to the index is very
irritating. 

Your solution didn?t work for me. On the reference page I have



><$pagenum> (the first ?>? is a tab stop)

I tried

>\t<$pagenum> and >\t\t\t<$pagenum>

But it did not change the index output



Still looks like this:

Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg 
..154, 217
   232



And for other entries:

Nhgjgkjgjhgkh ghgjhg 
..154, 217
   232 











.268, 395



Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ragnar Hanas

Uddevalla Hospital

Sweden







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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 9:18 PM
To: Stuart Rogers
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: The Problem with Long Titles in Generated Lists



Thanks for correcting that Stuart (was multi-tasking, not wise!)



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Stuart Rogers <
 srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com>
wrote:

On 2013-Jun-03 1:27 PM, Jerilynne Knight wrote:

Another way I've done this is to insert at least 3 tab characters (not tab
stops) before the page number. Maybe that will give you a bit of automation
for those long entries.



... Jerilynne means, "on the reference page" for the TOC or other generated
file.






On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Jay Mahler < 
jay at mahler.com> wrote:

I?m sure you?ve all had the problem with TOCs, LOTs, LOFs, and even indexes.
When the title reaches the end of the line (or too many index entries), the
tab character that should position the page number at right aligned tab
doesn?t work, and the page number appears left justified on the second line
with or without continued text. I?ve always gone through and manually fixed
the issue by inserting soft returns after the lists are generated, but I
have a client with a huge document and LOTs and LOFs that are 20 pages each.
Has anyone figured out an automated way to fix this problem? My experiments
haven?t turned up a solution.





-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
  +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Thur June 13 Webinar 10AM PDT on FrameMaker Dynamic links: xrefs hot spots

[Craig Ede]

This ended up in my Junk folder for some reason so I thought I would repost
it since Maxwell has had posts that folks don't see (perhaps for the same
reason).

Craig

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: ANN: Thur June 13 Webinar 10AM PDT on FrameMaker Dynamic links:
xrefs  hot spots

Sess 8) FrameMaker for Word Users: Dynamic Links; Cross-References in text
and Hot Spots in Graphics

Thurs. June 13th 10AM PDT (Pacific)
Register at: http://adobe.ly/130Ozrm

Discover how FrameMaker's long history with hyperlinks, cross-references and
dynamic data has been extended even further with reverse cross references
from graphics to related text: hot spots. Also discover how a couple
clicks of a mouse can generate a table of hyperlinked parts/views/animations
derived from imported 3D graphics. Review over traditional cross-references
will not only cover how to master xref formats, but how to target only a
portion of a numbered paragraph title or heading.

About the Presenter: Maxwell Hoffmann, Adobe's Global Product Evangelist for
Tech Comm Suite, has extensive tech comm publishing experience, having
worked for a variety of publishing vendors and translation agencies before
coming on board with Adobe. He is a former FrameMaker product marketing
manager with Frame Technology (before Adobe acquired the product), and has
trained over 1,200 people in scalable publishing solutions over the years.

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Thur June 13 Webinar 10AM PDT on FrameMaker Dynamic links: xrefs & hot spots

[Craig Ede]

This ended up in my Junk folder for some reason so I thought I would repost
it since Maxwell has had posts that folks don't see (perhaps for the same
reason).

Craig

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: ANN: Thur June 13 Webinar 10AM PDT on FrameMaker Dynamic links:
xrefs & hot spots

Sess 8) FrameMaker for Word Users: Dynamic Links; Cross-References in text
and Hot Spots in Graphics

Thurs. June 13th 10AM PDT (Pacific)
Register at: http://adobe.ly/130Ozrm

Discover how FrameMaker's long history with hyperlinks, cross-references and
dynamic data has been extended even further with "reverse" cross references
from graphics to related text: "hot spots." Also discover how a couple
clicks of a mouse can generate a table of hyperlinked parts/views/animations
derived from imported 3D graphics. Review over traditional cross-references
will not only cover how to master xref formats, but how to target only a
portion of a numbered paragraph title or heading.

About the Presenter: Maxwell Hoffmann, Adobe's Global Product Evangelist for
Tech Comm Suite, has extensive tech comm publishing experience, having
worked for a variety of publishing vendors and translation agencies before
coming on board with Adobe. He is a former FrameMaker product marketing
manager with Frame Technology (before Adobe acquired the product), and has
trained over 1,200 people in scalable publishing solutions over the years.

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RE: Color setting Don't Print doesn't work (WAS: Modifying FM's default R/L master pages)

[Craig Ede]

I seem to vaguely remember that this setting is only valid for CMYK documents. 
I could be wrong though. Check that out.

Craig

 From: pchristen...@ftportfolios.com
 To: srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com
 Subject: Color setting Don't Print doesn't work (WAS: Modifying FM's default  
 R/L master pages)
 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:31:05 +
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 I've just verified that this is true in both FrameMaker 10 and 11.
 
 RECAP: Create a new color and choose Don't Print as its Print As setting. 
 Apply the color to text and print the page. The text using the Don't Print 
 color shouldn't appear in the printout but it does.
 
 I've just created a bug report on the Adobe website but thought I'd post this 
 here as well, in case any Adobe folk are following the thread.
 
 Pat Christenson
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
 Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:44 PM
 To: Christenson, Pat
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Modifying FM's default R/L master pages
 
 On 2013-Jun-10 12:57 PM, Christenson, Pat wrote:
  Hi Stuart -
 
  I just tried this (it sounded PERFFECT) but the info still prints. I wonder 
  if this is a bug.
 
  I'm using FM10 (with all patches and updates) on Windows 7.
 
  Pat
 
 
 
 
 Hmmm.  I get the same result.
 
 Well, you could move the special colour from Normal to Invisible, either in 
 the default Color View or in one of the other Views, then switch as necessary 
 before printing/editing.
 
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Color setting Don't Print doesn't work (WAS: Modifying FM's default R/L master pages)

[Craig Ede]

I seem to vaguely remember that this setting is only valid for CMYK documents. 
I could be wrong though. Check that out.

Craig

> From: PChristenson at ftportfolios.com
> To: srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com
> Subject: Color setting Don't Print doesn't work (WAS: Modifying FM's default  
> R/L master pages)
> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:31:05 +
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> I've just verified that this is true in both FrameMaker 10 and 11.
> 
> RECAP: Create a new color and choose Don't Print as its Print As setting. 
> Apply the color to text and print the page. The text using the Don't Print 
> color shouldn't appear in the printout but it does.
> 
> I've just created a bug report on the Adobe website but thought I'd post this 
> here as well, in case any Adobe folk are following the thread.
> 
> Pat Christenson
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 12:44 PM
> To: Christenson, Pat
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Modifying FM's default R/L master pages
> 
> On 2013-Jun-10 12:57 PM, Christenson, Pat wrote:
> > Hi Stuart -
> >
> > I just tried this (it sounded PERFFECT) but the info still prints. I wonder 
> > if this is a bug.
> >
> > I'm using FM10 (with all patches and updates) on Windows 7.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Hmmm.  I get the same result.
> 
> Well, you could move the special colour from Normal to Invisible, either in 
> the default Color View or in one of the other Views, then switch as necessary 
> before printing/editing.
> 
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
> Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> 
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RE: Drop shadow in Frame 11 tab text

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It may have been something fixed in the OS and not in the FM application. 
Craig

 From: isaund...@enghouse.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Drop shadow in Frame 11 tab text
 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:28:49 +
 
 Thanks guys!
 
 Do Adobe actually test their GUIs with real people? The text was perfectly 
 readable in Frame 10. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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"Drop shadow" in Frame 11 tab text

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It may have been something "fixed" in the OS and not in the FM application. 
Craig

> From: ISaunders at enghouse.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: "Drop shadow" in Frame 11 tab text
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 09:28:49 +
> 
> Thanks guys!
> 
> Do Adobe actually test their GUIs with real people? The text was perfectly 
> readable in Frame 10. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".


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RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

[Craig Ede]

There are times when quite specific Distiller job options are required by
clients who may be providing the resulting PDF to service bureaus, etc. This
makes printing from .ps files more desirable than simple direct printing to
PDF. 

Craig

-Original Message-

I strongly suggest that you reconsider your workflow instead. First, there
is no reason to print to file in order to create a PDF. If you're using a
very old version of FM or are still superstitious about using Save As PDF,
simply select Adobe PDF as your printer and leave Print to File turned off.
You'll be prompted to choose a file name and location, and your PDF will be
created directly by the same process as if you'd printed to a PostScript
file and then distilled it. 

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RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

[Craig Ede]

Yep, I do save specific job option files.

I think I was focusing (in error) on the SaveAs PDF option rather than the
Print Book option you were describing. My mistake.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:39 AM
To: craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

Craig Ede wrote:
 
 There are times when quite specific Distiller job options are required 
 by clients who may be providing the resulting PDF to service bureaus, 
 etc. This makes printing from .ps files more desirable than simple 
 direct printing to PDF.

In the Print Book dialog box, click PDF Setup. On the Settings tab of the
dialog box, set PDF Job Options to the job options file you want to use. 

You do create and save .joboptions files for the specific Distiller job
options required by your clients, right? 

Richard G. Combs
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Feature Request - Print to File Warning

[Craig Ede]

There are times when quite specific Distiller job options are required by
clients who may be providing the resulting PDF to service bureaus, etc. This
makes printing from .ps files more desirable than simple direct printing to
PDF. 

Craig

-Original Message-

I strongly suggest that you reconsider your workflow instead. First, there
is no reason to print to file in order to create a PDF. If you're using a
very old version of FM or are still superstitious about using Save As PDF,
simply select Adobe PDF as your printer and leave Print to File turned off.
You'll be prompted to choose a file name and location, and your PDF will be
created directly by the same process as if you'd printed to a PostScript
file and then distilled it. 

Feature Request - Print to File Warning

[Craig Ede]

Yep, I do save specific job option files.

I think I was focusing (in error) on the SaveAs PDF option rather than the
Print Book option you were describing. My mistake.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 10:39 AM
To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

Craig Ede wrote:

> There are times when quite specific Distiller job options are required 
> by clients who may be providing the resulting PDF to service bureaus, 
> etc. This makes printing from .ps files more desirable than simple 
> direct printing to PDF.

In the Print Book dialog box, click PDF Setup. On the Settings tab of the
dialog box, set PDF Job Options to the job options file you want to use. 

You do create and save .joboptions files for the specific Distiller job
options required by your clients, right? 

Richard G. Combs
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RE: Unavailable font in BOOK file (not in book's files)

[Craig Ede]

The crash on SaveAs mif is a bad sign. Yes, you should be able to saveAs MIF
and that should clean the file of information like this that is a holdover
from the previous state(s) of the book. The crash is indicative of some sort
of corruption.

The book file will store font information used in the files within it and
can maintain this information after fonts have been removed from these
files. That is cleaned up when it is saved as MIF and then opening and
saving the MIF as a fm book file. So it is probably a good idea to rebuild
the book.

Remember Missing Font Names is specific to the FrameMaker installation and
can be toggled off and on as needed. I usually leave it activated, for
obvious reasons. Since no fonts are actually used in a book file since
there is no text that will be printed from that container itself, it can't
have any effect on the printed output, but it will result in an entry in the
console window. That can be ignored.

Craig

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lehmann
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unavailable font in BOOK file (not in book's files)

The Font is not available message appears when I open a particular book
file - repeat, book file only. (Then when I then open the book file's files,
they all open cleanly.) [FM10, Win7 SP3] Any ideas about how to fix this
(apart from creating a new book file)?

I've tried saving the book file as a MIF, but FrameMaker crashes when I
click the Save button.

Also:
. Should I be able to save a book file as a MIF (so that I can rummage
around in it)?
. Is Remember Missing Font Names specific to the individual file, or to
the FM installation? (I need to distribute this book file.) . I thought only
Numbering and Pagination information was saved in a book file; now it seems
that font information is in there as well. What else is saved in a book
file?

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Unavailable font in BOOK file (not in book's files)

[Craig Ede]

The crash on SaveAs mif is a bad sign. Yes, you should be able to saveAs MIF
and that should clean the file of information like this that is a holdover
from the previous state(s) of the book. The crash is indicative of some sort
of corruption.

The book file will store font information used in the files within it and
can maintain this information after fonts have been removed from these
files. That is cleaned up when it is saved as MIF and then opening and
saving the MIF as a fm book file. So it is probably a good idea to rebuild
the book.

"Remember Missing Font Names" is specific to the FrameMaker installation and
can be toggled off and on as needed. I usually leave it activated, for
obvious reasons. Since no fonts are actually "used" in a book file since
there is no text that will be printed from that container itself, it can't
have any effect on the printed output, but it will result in an entry in the
console window. That can be ignored.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mark Lehmann
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:57 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unavailable font in BOOK file (not in book's files)

The "Font is not available" message appears when I open a particular book
file - repeat, book file only. (Then when I then open the book file's files,
they all open cleanly.) [FM10, Win7 SP3] Any ideas about how to fix this
(apart from creating a new book file)?

I've tried saving the book file as a MIF, but FrameMaker crashes when I
click the Save button.

Also:
. Should I be able to save a book file as a MIF (so that I can rummage
around in it)?
. Is "Remember Missing Font Names" specific to the individual file, or to
the FM installation? (I need to distribute this book file.) . I thought only
Numbering and Pagination information was saved in a book file; now it seems
that font information is in there as well. What else is saved in a book
file?

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RE: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc.

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I don't really see the UI name collision you describe. The pods for xrefs,
markers, etc. are clearly a different form of access to these various
objects. It's not like calling up the pod doesn't clearly show something
different that calling up the older object editing windows. The older access
window is jumped to when you click on Edit in the pod, but the pod clearly
adds new capabilities beyond creation and editing of the objects.

Given the amount of pod bashing that occurs on this list, it might be time
for everyone to take another look at the pods that offer new functionality
and flexibility of handling. It's not just about having the ability to
rearrange the input windows.

I suggest that Maxwell Hoffmann take a good look at this controversy and do
a webinar on these pods. (Not that they haven't been there for some time,
but a fresh look wouldn't hurt.)

Craig 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:32 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc.
WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Well, yes, that was the problem. Two UI objects have the same name but one
is a subset of the other. Why would I expect that? Why does the default
workspace show some of the crappy ones instead of all of the more capable
ones? Why don't the limited ones have buttons that expand them into the more
capable ones?

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 I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command 
 when in fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to 
 definition or editing of an object does another.
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pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc.

[Craig Ede]

I don't really see the UI name collision you describe. The pods for xrefs,
markers, etc. are clearly a different form of access to these various
objects. It's not like calling up the pod doesn't clearly show something
different that calling up the older object editing windows. The older access
window is jumped to when you click on Edit in the pod, but the pod clearly
adds new capabilities beyond creation and editing of the objects.

Given the amount of pod bashing that occurs on this list, it might be time
for everyone to take another look at the pods that offer new functionality
and flexibility of handling. It's not just about having the ability to
rearrange the input windows.

I suggest that Maxwell Hoffmann take a good look at this controversy and do
a webinar on these pods. (Not that they haven't been there for some time,
but a fresh look wouldn't hurt.)

Craig 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:32 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc.
WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

Well, yes, that was the problem. Two UI objects have the same name but one
is a subset of the other. Why would I expect that? Why does the default
workspace show some of the crappy ones instead of all of the more capable
ones? Why don't the limited ones have buttons that expand them into the more
capable ones?

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command 
> when in fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to 
> definition or editing of an object does another.
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RE: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

[Craig Ede]

I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command when in 
fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to definition or editing 
of an object does another.

 

I think I sent you a link long ago to a video by Adobe about using of the new 
interface. You seemed unimpressed by that. Maybe that didn't cover this pod 
thing.

 

Craig
 

 Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: 
 OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
 From: rob...@lauriston.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Wow. The same command on two different menus brings up different UIs
 for the same feature? I guess I'll have to try all of the entries on
 the Pods menu to see what else I've missed.
 
 Does that mean the old UI for applying conditional text is still
 around somewhere? I found that much more efficient.
 
 On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote:
  This is definitely in FM10. The difference is that this view is brought up 
  by choosing View  Pods  Cross Reference or View  Pods  Markers (etc.). 
  The old way is through Special  Cross Reference or Special  Marker 
  (etc.), which gives you something completely different. This pod appears 
  across the bottom of the screen by default.
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pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

[Craig Ede]

I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command when in 
fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to definition or editing 
of an object does another.



I think I sent you a link long ago to a video by Adobe about using of the new 
interface. You seemed unimpressed by that. Maybe that didn't cover this pod 
thing.



Craig


> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: 
> OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
> From: robert at lauriston.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Wow. The same command on two different menus brings up different UIs
> for the same feature? I guess I'll have to try all of the entries on
> the Pods menu to see what else I've missed.
> 
> Does that mean the old UI for applying conditional text is still
> around somewhere? I found that much more efficient.
> 
> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> > This is definitely in FM10. The difference is that this view is brought up 
> > by choosing View > Pods > Cross Reference or View > Pods > Markers (etc.). 
> > The old way is through Special > Cross Reference or Special > Marker 
> > (etc.), which gives you something completely different. This pod appears 
> > across the bottom of the screen by default.
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pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

[Craig Ede]

Robert,



This is definitely in FM10. The difference is that this view is brought up
by choosing View > Pods > Cross Reference or View > Pods > Markers (etc.).
The old way is through Special > Cross Reference or Special > Marker (etc.),
which gives you something completely different. This pod appears across the
bottom of the screen by default.



Craig



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 3:05 PM
To: Alexandra Duffy; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription



Are you sure those features are FM10? That's what I use and I've never seen
those.

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandra Duffy 
wrote:

This is what is great, (to me, anyway) -

[pasted two graphics which won't come through to the list]













You can sort through markers, click on them to go to the destination, and
view unresolved cross-references quickly. You can see external
cross-references and know where they link. This was in FM10 as well, but
people were saying they don't want to upgrade from FM8.

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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

[Craig Ede]

The graphics came through. There must be email and listserv improvements being 
made as well!

Craig

From: adu...@vectorworks.net
To: robert at lauriston.com
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:56:51 +
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com









This is what is great, (to me, anyway) ?
[pasted two graphics which won?t come through to the list]






You can sort through markers, click on them to go to the destination, and view 
unresolved cross-references quickly. You can see external cross-references and 
know where they link. This was in FM10 as well, but people were saying they
 don?t want to upgrade from FM8.

Alexandra

> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 1:46 PM
> To: Alexandra Duffy; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
> 
> What's different about markers or cross-references in FM11?
> 
> In FM10, the pods behave slightly differently than the ancient dialogs
> as far as placing them on screen (e.g. they won't stay where I put
> them), but functionally I think they're unchanged as far back as I've
> been using FM and probably earlier. They still have tiny fixed-size
> lists. Finding a target when there are lots of headings with a
> particular tag is still a clumsy and time-consuming process.
> 
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Alexandra Duffy
>  wrote:
> > I (gasp!) really like FM11 (I use unstructured) ... The FM marker and cross-
> reference pods (or panels or whatever they're called), which are new-ish
> features, are great and work well





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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

The subscription model probably does help them deal with piracy. In that
sense, they are urging a part of their user (but not customer) base to be
more obedient.

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 PM
To: Alan T Litchfield
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Forum
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

 

... What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its
relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational
and obedient, Adobe would be better off. 

 

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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

Adobe provides a software license transfer form. Not applicable to academic
versions, however.
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/transfer-product-license.h
tml
Craig

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ...

Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version
is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights:

You may ... permanently transfer all your rights to use the Software to
another individual or legal entity ... Adobe may require that you and the
receiving party confirm in writing your compliance with this agreement,
provide Adobe with information about yourselves, and register as end-users
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downloading help PDF WAS: FM10 help broken?

[Craig Ede]

This is for FM10, but FM11 works the same way, I think. (I don't have FM11
on this machine, but I have downloaded that PDF.)

From the FrameMaker menu choose Help  Help Topics. After the Help opens in
your browser, click on View Help PDF (over on the right at the top). This
will download the current help PDF. 

This is a great user manual. You can do the same for all your Adobe
products.

Craig

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:07 PM
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Subject: RE: FM10 help broken?

Craig,
How do you download the help as a PDF?
-Gillian



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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

I would expect view ceasing support as something quite different than
turning off access to a license. We'll have to see how that plays out.

Craig 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harro de Jong
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:08 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Craig Ede wrote:


 Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does 
 mean that you have access to a given software package you can count on 
 (and not some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they 
 cannot revoke your ability of use the software in that state, and they 
 have certain obligations to make sure you are able to do that (i.e. they
can't simply turn of your license at their end on a whim).
 Obviously, they can turn off support at some point.
 
 Or maybe I am wrong about their responsibilities. I'd love to hear 
 more info on this topic.

The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may
have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the
upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your
license once a new version is available. 

Adobe's track record isn't that bad: activation for Frame 9 is still
available, and when they closed down the activation for CS2, they provided a
download for a version that doesn't need activation. 


Harro de Jong

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[Craig Ede]

This is for FM10, but FM11 works the same way, I think. (I don't have FM11
on this machine, but I have downloaded that PDF.)

>From the FrameMaker menu choose Help > Help Topics. After the Help opens in
your browser, click on View Help PDF (over on the right at the top). This
will download the current help PDF. 

This is a great user manual. You can do the same for all your Adobe
products.

Craig

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From: Gillian Flato [mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 12:07 PM
To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM10 help broken?

Craig,
How do you download the help as a PDF?
-Gillian

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

I would expect view ceasing support as something quite different than
turning off access to a license. We'll have to see how that plays out.

Craig 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harro de Jong
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:08 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Craig Ede wrote:


> Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does 
> mean that you have access to a given software package you can count on 
> (and not some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they 
> cannot revoke your ability of use the software in that state, and they 
> have certain obligations to make sure you are able to do that (i.e. they
can't simply turn of your license at their end on a whim).
> Obviously, they can turn off support at some point.
> 
> Or maybe I am wrong about their responsibilities. I'd love to hear 
> more info on this topic.

The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may
have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the
upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your
license once a new version is available. 

Adobe's track record isn't that bad: activation for Frame 9 is still
available, and when they closed down the activation for CS2, they provided a
download for a version that doesn't need activation. 


Harro de Jong

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

The subscription model probably does help them deal with piracy. In that
sense, they are urging a part of their user (but not customer) base to be
more obedient.



Craig



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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 PM
To: Alan T Litchfield
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Forum
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only



... What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its
relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational
and obedient, Adobe would be better off. 

 

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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

Adobe provides a software license transfer form. Not applicable to academic
versions, however.
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/transfer-product-license.h
tml
Craig

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:15 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson  wrote:
> ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ...

Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version
is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights:

"You may ... permanently transfer all your rights to use the Software to
another individual or legal entity ... Adobe may require that you and the
receiving party confirm in writing your compliance with this agreement,
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FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

This is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on CD/DVD
while you still can. A number of my friends, most connected with academic
institutions, are doing that. 

I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as regards
these applications so that one set of help files defines the current state
of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes when
using the product. However, it requires a constant state of reeducation as
new features are added and different ways of handling things are introduced.
Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know if we
do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way that we
already are familiar with. 

As for extending this the current version of the app beyond the bounds of
the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that anytime soon. If
they have their finger on the pulse of their users they must realized that,
for instance, in the medical device industry, all tools used to produce
documentation must be validated. It would be impossible  (and expensive!) to
validate a moving target as the apps were continually being improved and the
former version made unavailable.

Craig Ede
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future
only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for
it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver
have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the
future, though.

-- 
Steve [somewhat aghast]


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FW: FM10 help broken?

[Craig Ede]

As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download
the help file as a PDF (it makes a  great user manual, btw). Since the PDF
has the revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new
revision is released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF.

Craig


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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help  Help Topics and searched for change bars with This
reference only selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and
space with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=supportterm=%2522change%2
520bars%2522loc=en_USself=1lr=en_USsite=framemaker_10_all
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FW: FM10 help broken?

[Craig Ede]

I just did the same search (i.e. change bars) and it worked fine. Maybe
they fixed it.

I see my previous post missed that you are searching not just the FM10 help
but the broader range of the Adobe Community, etc.

Craig

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Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help  Help Topics and searched for change bars with This
reference only selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and
space with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=supportterm=%2522change%2
520bars%2522loc=en_USself=1lr=en_USsite=framemaker_10_all


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FW: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean
that you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not
some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke
your ability of use the software in that state, and they have certain
obligations to make sure you are able to do that (i.e. they can't simply
turn of your license at their end on a whim). Obviously, they can turn off
support at some point.

 

Or maybe I am wrong about their responsibilities. I'd love to hear more info
on this topic.

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:59 AM
To: Steve Rickaby
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

 

Look at your license agreement...you dont own them now.

On May 9, 2013 12:42 PM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
wrote:

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future
only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for
it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver
have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the
future, though.

--
Steve [somewhat aghast]
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FW: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

Actually, the right subscription model might appeal to many companies. It
can be cost effective for the company (a known monthly, smallish outflow of
cash), but is certainly harder on the user/contractor since they will be
more acutely aware of the fact that they are having to constantly
incorporate new functionality into their way of working (and excising old,
tried-and-true methods). It's difficult to juggle all that for the
contractor, but a company just sees the software as a single tool useful to
its goals that has a predictable cost.

If Adobe were to offer the software free to contractors who then end up
working for companies who are required to buy the software, that could
benefit us all. Oxygen has a license for academic users (relatively cheap)
that precludes them from using an academic copy to produce commercial work.
If they end up doing commercial work, they are required to buy the normal
license. This model allows them explore the product freely.

The vast majority of my work in the Adobe Technical Communication Suite is
related to the academic sphere. Yet when I work on-site for a business
client, their license is the one used for these commercial projects. This
allows me to keep on top of the product features and yet have (at least
through TCS 3) inexpensive access to the tools so that I am able to explore
the features of the tools. The abandonment of the academic license with TCS
4 was a loss in this regard.

Craig

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:05 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Writer; Steve Rickaby
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

It's not just freelancers that will be affected. Until my company was
recently purchased by a larger organization, I had always worked for small
to medium-sized businesses as the sole writer. Trying to get a budget for
tools could be like pulling teeth. I somehow doubt most of my former
employers would ever go for the subscription model.

Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word!

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM
To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your
sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.

Nadine


- Original Message -
 From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
 Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
 only
 
 I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
 future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could
follow?
 
 I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
 Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
 thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it
 - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon
as you stop paying for it.
 
 For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
 Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
 sure about the future, though.
 
 --
 Steve [somewhat aghast]
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RE: Font information changed

[Craig Ede]

It's probably because Illustrator is, on startup, activating its own set of 
fonts (having tucked them away somewhere), and deactivates them upon quitting. 

 

I finally solved my problems in FrameMaker with error messages about Helvetica, 
Times and ZapfDingbats by finding those fonts in an old copy of Illustrator. 
After doing an install of that old Illustrator (truncated to install just the 
fonts), I had to move the fonts into my main font directory to have access to 
them with FrameMaker. It seems to me that (if my memory serves, which, more and 
more it does not) FrameMaker tucks fonts away somewhere , too, for its own use, 
so you may want to move those into the main font location as well to have 
access to them in other programs.

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font information changed

 

Why does Fm tell me that my font information has changed each time I quit 
Illustrator CS6?





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FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

This is troubling, and so one message is "buy the CS software on CD/DVD
while you still can." A number of my friends, most connected with academic
institutions, are doing that. 

I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as regards
these applications so that one set of help files defines the "current state"
of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes when
using the product. However, it requires a constant state of reeducation as
new features are added and different ways of handling things are introduced.
Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know if we
do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way that we
already are familiar with. 

As for extending this "the current version of the app" beyond the bounds of
the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that anytime soon. If
they have their finger on the pulse of their users they must realized that,
for instance, in the medical device industry, all tools used to produce
documentation must be validated. It would be impossible  (and expensive!) to
validate a moving target as the apps were continually being improved and the
former version made unavailable.

Craig Ede
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future
only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for
it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver
have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the
future, though.

-- 
Steve [somewhat aghast]

FW: FM10 help broken?

[Craig Ede]

As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download
the help file as a PDF (it makes a  great user manual, btw). Since the PDF
has the revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new
revision is released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF.

Craig


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:59 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help > Help Topics and searched for "change bars" with "This
reference only" selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and
space with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=support=%2522change%2
520bars%2522=en_US=1=en_US=framemaker_10_all
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FW: FM10 help broken?

[Craig Ede]

I just did the same search (i.e. "change bars") and it worked fine. Maybe
they fixed it.

I see my previous post missed that you are searching not just the FM10 help
but the broader range of the Adobe Community, etc.

Craig

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Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:59 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help > Help Topics and searched for "change bars" with "This
reference only" selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and
space with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=support=%2522change%2
520bars%2522=en_US=1=en_US=framemaker_10_all

FW: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean
that you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not
some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke
your ability of use the software in that state, and they have certain
obligations to make sure you are able to do that (i.e. they can't simply
turn of your license at their end on a whim). Obviously, they can turn off
support at some point.



Or maybe I am wrong about their responsibilities. I'd love to hear more info
on this topic.



Craig



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:59 AM
To: Steve Rickaby
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only



Look at your license agreement...you dont own them now.

On May 9, 2013 12:42 PM, "Steve Rickaby" 
wrote:

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future
only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for
it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver
have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the
future, though.

--
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FW: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Craig Ede]

Actually, the right subscription model might appeal to many companies. It
can be cost effective for the company (a known monthly, smallish outflow of
cash), but is certainly harder on the user/contractor since they will be
more acutely aware of the fact that they are having to constantly
incorporate new functionality into their way of working (and excising old,
tried-and-true methods). It's difficult to juggle all that for the
contractor, but a company just sees the software as a single tool useful to
its goals that has a predictable cost.

If Adobe were to offer the software free to contractors who then end up
working for companies who are required to buy the software, that could
benefit us all. Oxygen has a license for academic users (relatively cheap)
that precludes them from using an academic copy to produce commercial work.
If they end up doing commercial work, they are required to buy the normal
license. This model allows them explore the product freely.

The vast majority of my work in the Adobe Technical Communication Suite is
related to the academic sphere. Yet when I work on-site for a business
client, their license is the one used for these commercial projects. This
allows me to keep on top of the product features and yet have (at least
through TCS 3) inexpensive access to the tools so that I am able to explore
the features of the tools. The abandonment of the academic license with TCS
4 was a loss in this regard.

Craig

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:05 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Writer; Steve Rickaby
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

It's not just freelancers that will be affected. Until my company was
recently purchased by a larger organization, I had always worked for small
to medium-sized businesses as the sole writer. Trying to get a budget for
tools could be like pulling teeth. I somehow doubt most of my former
employers would ever go for the subscription model.

Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word!

Alison


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM
To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your
sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.

Nadine


- Original Message -
> From: Steve Rickaby 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
> Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
> only
> 
> I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
> future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could
follow?
> 
> I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
> Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
> thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it
> - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon
as you stop paying for it.
> 
> For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
> Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
> sure about the future, though.
> 
> --
> Steve [somewhat aghast]
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Font information changed

[Craig Ede]

It's probably because Illustrator is, on startup, activating its own set of 
fonts (having tucked them away somewhere), and deactivates them upon quitting. 



I finally solved my problems in FrameMaker with error messages about Helvetica, 
Times and ZapfDingbats by finding those fonts in an old copy of Illustrator. 
After doing an install of that old Illustrator (truncated to install just the 
fonts), I had to move the fonts into my main font directory to have access to 
them with FrameMaker. It seems to me that (if my memory serves, which, more and 
more it does not) FrameMaker tucks fonts away somewhere , too, for its own use, 
so you may want to move those into the main font location as well to have 
access to them in other programs.



Craig



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 4:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font information changed



Why does Fm tell me that my font information has changed each time I quit 
Illustrator CS6?





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RE: importing HTML into FrameMaker?

[Craig Ede]

I was going to ask Robert if he was pasting into a structured doc or not as I 
have found this technique useful (but not perfect) for use in DITA docs.

 

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 3:54 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: importing HTML into FrameMaker?

 

Hi Robert

I don't know which version of FrameMaker you are using, but Fm 11 has Smart 
Paste:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/new-in-framemaker11-xml-authoring-features/framemaker-11-smart-paste-unstruct-content-into-xml/

If you are using DITA-FMx, you need to install this structapps stub first:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-fmx-users/files/

I've just tested this with some content which I copied from our Confluence wiki 
and the results are not perfect but pretty good:

*   The DITA topic is valid right away (no cleanup of the structure 
required).
*   Subheadings in a wiki topic become section titles in a (generic) DITA 
topic.
*   A ul/li in the wiki topic is still a ul/li in the DITA topic.
*   Numbered steps in the wiki topic become ul/li in the DITA topic
*   Typographic elements (b, i, ...) are OK too

Graphics didn't work, but that's obvious. Tables were converted to tables, but 
the heading row was gone.

Also, I used a generic DITA topic. Copying a task description from a wiki and 
pasting the numbered steps into a task topic doesn't work, because the 
structure a task topic has a very specific structure. I guess this could be 
fixed with a topic-to-task-topic transformation, using a Framescript or using 
FrameSLT).

 

Even if you don't write DITA-structured content, I think you could still use 
DITA as an intermediate step:

1.  Create a new generic DITA topic
2.  Copy the body section if your wiki.
3.  Put your cursor in the body element of the DITA topic and choose Edit  
Smart Paste.
4.  Choose Special  Remove Structure from Flow to create an unstructured 
Fm file.
5.  With Framescript or the Paragraph Tools plugin, you can then remap the 
paragraph formats, for example change all [title.1] formats to Heading2.

Cheers

 

 

Yves Barbion
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importing HTML into FrameMaker?

[Craig Ede]

I was going to ask Robert if he was pasting into a structured doc or not as I 
have found this technique useful (but not perfect) for use in DITA docs.



Craig



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 3:54 AM
To: Robert Lauriston
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: importing HTML into FrameMaker?



Hi Robert

I don't know which version of FrameMaker you are using, but Fm 11 has Smart 
Paste:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/new-in-framemaker11-xml-authoring-features/framemaker-11-smart-paste-unstruct-content-into-xml/

If you are using DITA-FMx, you need to install this "structapps stub" first:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-fmx-users/files/

I've just tested this with some content which I copied from our Confluence wiki 
and the results are not perfect but pretty good:

*   The DITA topic is valid right away (no cleanup of the structure 
required).
*   Subheadings in a wiki topic become section titles in a (generic) DITA 
topic.
*   A ul/li in the wiki topic is still a ul/li in the DITA topic.
*   Numbered steps in the wiki topic become ul/li in the DITA topic
*   Typographic elements (b, i, ...) are OK too

Graphics didn't work, but that's obvious. Tables were converted to tables, but 
the heading row was gone.

Also, I used a generic DITA topic. Copying a task description from a wiki and 
pasting the numbered steps into a task topic doesn't work, because the 
structure a task topic has a very specific structure. I guess this could be 
fixed with a "topic-to-task-topic" transformation, using a Framescript or using 
FrameSLT).



Even if you don't write DITA-structured content, I think you could still use 
DITA as an intermediate step:

1.  Create a new generic DITA topic
2.  Copy the body section if your wiki.
3.  Put your cursor in the body element of the DITA topic and choose Edit > 
Smart Paste.
4.  Choose Special > Remove Structure from Flow to create an unstructured 
Fm file.
5.  With Framescript or the Paragraph Tools plugin, you can then remap the 
paragraph formats, for example change all [title.1] formats to Heading2.

Cheers





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www.scripto.nu 

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[Craig Ede]

The thing to do is to start with a template that contains all these things so 
that when you create each file in the book, all these things exist in the place 
your want them.

With already created content (say, files created in a old template that lacks 
these things), you would create a new template and then import the new template 
into the files.

Actually, if you can do it, it can be best to cut  paste content from the old 
template to the new as it eliminates extras that just happen to exist in the 
file, but aren't part of your template. (Note: Defined variables in the 
template will replace the ones in the old file, but undefined variables that 
exist in the original document will be added to the new file.) 


  Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to
  define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other
  files in the book?
 


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[Craig Ede]

The thing to do is to start with a template that contains all these things so 
that when you create each file in the book, all these things exist in the place 
your want them.

With already created content (say, files created in a old template that lacks 
these things), you would create a new template and then import the new template 
into the files.

Actually, if you can do it, it can be best to cut & paste content from the old 
template to the new as it eliminates "extras" that just happen to exist in the 
file, but aren't part of your template. (Note: Defined variables in the 
template will replace the ones in the old file, but undefined variables that 
exist in the original document will be added to the new file.) 


> > Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to
> > define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other
> > files in the book?
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If I remember, you have to File  Import  File with MIF snippets. That
means you have to import it one file at a time, doesn't it? (Unlike File 
Import  Formats across a book). This is because you are actually importing
the content into each file (even though it is invisible in a sense).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Craig

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 6:32 PM
To: Ed Tudsbery; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

If the MIF snippet or some other approach works, you could do all files at
once by creating a scratch book, using Windows' search to find all your .fm
files, and dragging and dropping the found files into the book. Then, in
FrameMaker, select all the files in the book and import the snippet.
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[Craig Ede]

If I remember, you have to File > Import > File with MIF snippets. That
means you have to import it one file at a time, doesn't it? (Unlike File >
Import > Formats across a book). This is because you are actually importing
the content into each file (even though it is "invisible" in a sense).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Craig

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To: Ed Tudsbery; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

If the MIF snippet or some other approach works, you could do all files at
once by creating a scratch book, using Windows' search to find all your .fm
files, and dragging and dropping the found files into the book. Then, in
FrameMaker, select all the files in the book and import the snippet.
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RE: Interacting with a database

[Craig Ede]

Not such file is in my similarly named ...\Adobe FrameMaker10\Documents
folder. The only thing there is a folder called \SGMLErrs

Craig

 

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To: Fred Ridder; Stuart Rogers; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Interacting with a database

 

Hmmm ... not sure I know why, but my C:\Program Files
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\Documents folder is empty (?)

 

I will have to see if I can find the original disk - may have been a
download instead, but I would expect the documentation to be in there.

 

Z

 

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To: Stuart Rogers; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Interacting with a database

 

Even easier:
Look inside the Documents directory within your FrameMaker installation
directory and you should find UserGuide.pdf.

-FR

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structured frame xml: controlling cell shading

[Craig Ede]

I'm interested in controlling cell shading in structured xml documents. The
following entry in the DEVELOPING STRUCTURED APPLICATIONS WITH

ADOBER FRAMEMAKERR 9 gives me pause:

 

Tables

FrameMaker table formats are only partially integrated with the structure
model. The content of

a FrameMaker table is always fully structured, but the control over cell
border ruling is limited and

there is no structure format control over cell shading.

 

Does this mean that there is no way to import xml information to dictate
cell shading? I'm interested in both options: controlling regular shading
patterns (like every third row), and specifying cell shading on an ad-hoc
cell-by-cell basis. I believe the regular patterns of shading can be done by
using a table format defined in the structured template. Is this true? And
is ad hoc cell shading impossible?

 

BTW: The FM 9 document is the most current I can find. I am working in both
FM10 and FM11.

 

Thank you.

 

Craig

I'm sending this to both the framers and the framemaker-dita lists, but the
question is really broader than strict DITA restrictions.

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RE: More Font Warnings

[Craig Ede]

You are talking about the Fonts Pod (brought up with ViewPodsFonts). As
far as I know you can only see fonts defined for some use in the document
there. You can use the Replace button in the Fonts Pod to perform
substitutions to get rid of the fonts you don't want. 

It is possible, I think, that an unused paragraph or other object definition
can specify a font you don't have, but using the Replace button to perform a
substitution should permanently change that. The existence of objects
defined to use a specific font, but with no instance of that object in the
document, would explain situations where you choose a font to replace and
then, after hitting the Replace button in the Fonts Pod, you don't get a
list of any places where the substitution will be made. (Choose a font you
know you have in the document and you will see what I mean about the listing
of occurrences.)

Lastly, sometimes a font is hidden on a left master page in a document that
was two sided and was then made one-sided later. This hides the left master
page from view. Changing the document to double-sided and deleting all
content from the left master page gets rid of this. You can then save the
document as single sided without having this problem font problem cropping
up.

I have also seen empty text boxes buried behind a text flow that cause this
problem. (Somebody had to work hard to get them there.) The Replace function
in the Fonts Pod would leave the text box in place, but prevent the font
error. A better way to track these text boxes down is to use the Apply
Master pages and then note which pages show overrides. Those are the pages
where such extras will be hidden. The incantation is FormatPage
LayoutApply Master Pages.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:51 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: More Font Warnings

Maybe I used the wrong term palette. Sorry if I can't keep track of
Adobe's UI terminology. Panel, pod, palette, pop-up... makes my head spin.

I mean the boxes that allow you to view and change fonts globally in the
document. I thought that only shows the fonts actually being used in the
document.

I do not mean the paragraph catalog nor the whatever-it's-called that
displays all the fonts installed and available on a given machine/system.

--Karen


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Interacting with a database

[Craig Ede]

Not such file is in my similarly named ...\Adobe FrameMaker10\Documents
folder. The only thing there is a folder called \SGMLErrs

Craig



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To: Fred Ridder; Stuart Rogers; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Interacting with a database



Hmmm ... not sure I know why, but my C:\Program Files
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\Documents folder is empty (?)



I will have to see if I can find the original disk - may have been a
download instead, but I would expect the documentation to be in there.



Z



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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:50 PM
To: Stuart Rogers; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Interacting with a database



Even easier:
Look inside the Documents directory within your FrameMaker installation
directory and you should find UserGuide.pdf.

-FR

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structured frame xml: controlling cell shading

[Craig Ede]

I'm interested in controlling cell shading in structured xml documents. The
following entry in the DEVELOPING STRUCTURED APPLICATIONS WITH

ADOBER FRAMEMAKERR 9 gives me pause:



Tables

FrameMaker table formats are only partially integrated with the structure
model. The content of

a FrameMaker table is always fully structured, but the control over cell
border ruling is limited and

there is no structure format control over cell shading.



Does this mean that there is no way to import xml information to dictate
cell shading? I'm interested in both options: controlling regular shading
patterns (like every third row), and specifying cell shading on an ad-hoc
cell-by-cell basis. I believe the regular patterns of shading can be done by
using a table format defined in the structured template. Is this true? And
is ad hoc cell shading impossible?



BTW: The FM 9 document is the most current I can find. I am working in both
FM10 and FM11.



Thank you.



Craig

I'm sending this to both the framers and the framemaker-dita lists, but the
question is really broader than strict DITA restrictions.

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More Font Warnings

[Craig Ede]

You are talking about the Fonts Pod (brought up with View>Pods>Fonts). As
far as I know you can only see fonts defined for some use in the document
there. You can use the Replace button in the Fonts Pod to perform
substitutions to get rid of the fonts you don't want. 

It is possible, I think, that an unused paragraph or other object definition
can specify a font you don't have, but using the Replace button to perform a
substitution should permanently change that. The existence of objects
defined to use a specific font, but with no instance of that object in the
document, would explain situations where you choose a font to replace and
then, after hitting the Replace button in the Fonts Pod, you don't get a
list of any places where the substitution will be made. (Choose a font you
know you have in the document and you will see what I mean about the listing
of occurrences.)

Lastly, sometimes a font is hidden on a left master page in a document that
was two sided and was then made one-sided later. This hides the left master
page from view. Changing the document to double-sided and deleting all
content from the left master page gets rid of this. You can then save the
document as single sided without having this problem font problem cropping
up.

I have also seen empty text boxes buried behind a text flow that cause this
problem. (Somebody had to work hard to get them there.) The Replace function
in the Fonts Pod would leave the text box in place, but prevent the font
error. A better way to track these text boxes down is to use the Apply
Master pages and then note which pages show overrides. Those are the pages
where such "extras" will be hidden. The incantation is Format>Page
Layout>Apply Master Pages.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 12:51 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: More Font Warnings

Maybe I used the wrong term "palette". Sorry if I can't keep track of
Adobe's UI terminology. Panel, pod, palette, pop-up... makes my head spin.

I mean the boxes that allow you to view and change fonts globally in the
document. I thought that only shows the fonts actually being used in the
document.

I do not mean the paragraph catalog nor the whatever-it's-called that
displays all the fonts installed and available on a given machine/system.

--Karen

RE: More Font Warnings

[Craig Ede]

The last gasp method is to  saveAs Mif and search for whatever font name is
popping up in the console window. This should give you a good idea of where
it is hidden.

Sometimes it is easier to just turn off Remember Missing Font Names and
have it remap the font to something you have. (Turn it back on though, when
you are finished.) You can also affect which font mapping occurs in the
maker.ini file. 

 

Example:

Zapfdingbats, *,*= Adobe Pi Std,*,*

changed to:

Zapfdingbats, *,*= WingDings,*,*

;Zapfdingbats, *,*= Adobe Pi Std,*,* (commented out)

Craig

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:10 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: More Font Warnings

 

I double-checked all our table styles and master and reference pages. The
font list in the Fonts pod/palette did not change for any of them, and any
text or cell I clicked showed the correct font(s) in the paragraph designer.
Even mapping tables.

I could just turn off the warnings, but my goal is to once-and-for-all
eliminate inconsistencies in these files! If there really is a rogue font, I
want to remove it.

--Karen

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More Font Warnings

[Craig Ede]

The last gasp method is to  saveAs Mif and search for whatever font name is
popping up in the console window. This should give you a good idea of where
it is hidden.

Sometimes it is easier to just turn off "Remember Missing Font Names" and
have it remap the font to something you have. (Turn it back on though, when
you are finished.) You can also affect which font mapping occurs in the
maker.ini file. 



Example:

Zapfdingbats, *,*= Adobe Pi Std,*,*

changed to:

Zapfdingbats, *,*= WingDings,*,*

;Zapfdingbats, *,*= Adobe Pi Std,*,* (commented out)

Craig



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:10 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: More Font Warnings



I double-checked all our table styles and master and reference pages. The
font list in the Fonts pod/palette did not change for any of them, and any
text or cell I clicked showed the correct font(s) in the paragraph designer.
Even mapping tables.

I could just turn off the warnings, but my goal is to once-and-for-all
eliminate inconsistencies in these files! If there really is a rogue font, I
want to remove it.

--Karen

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Trouble selecting multiple graphics

[Craig Ede]

You can select multiple graphic objects within an anchored frame, but you
cannot select multiple anchored frames. You can also select multiple graphic
objects that happen to be just floating around on a page, although the only
place you might want to have such graphics is on a master page.



It sounds like you need to be thinking of selecting the frame before
inserting your graphics (after the first one, that is) so that you can get
all your graphics in one frame to begin with.



Hope that helps.

Craig



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:50 PM
To: Paul Wilbraham
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Trouble selecting multiple graphics



Really? Then why does the online FrameMaker 11 help say (or seem to say)
that you can? 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f
741c8-7ffb.html#WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f741c8-7fe9

And what the heck kind of workflow is that... making you click and
copy/paste or whatever three, four, five times instead of once?

--Karen

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Paul Wilbraham 
wrote:

Karen 

You cannot select more than one graphic frame, anchored or unanchored, at a
time. 



--Paul Wilbraham 

On 09 April 2013 at 18:50 Karen Robbins  wrote: 

Hi Framers, 

I'm not able to select multiple graphic frame objects. Diagonal dragging to
encompass the objects with an invisible border only selects the last one
over which the cursor passes. Using the shift-click-drag method gives the
same result. Clicking the individual items' edge, with and without any
modifier key I can think of, gives the same result. These graphic frames are
not anchored. They often overlap the main text flow frame, but are not fully
within it. 

Ctrl+A grabs the main flow and any graphic fully within its text frame, but
no graphics that partly overlap the frame. On a page with no main flow
elements, ctrl+A grabs all text frames but only two of three graphic frames.


I've tried both the smart arrow cursor and the dumb one. 

What am I missing? 

Frame 11.0.1.382, Windows 7. 


Thanks, 
Karen 






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RE: Putting variables in cross references

[Craig Ede]

Establish an instance of your book number variable somewhere in each
particular file and create a second cross-reference to that. It can be
hidden somewhere by making it white on the white page if you don't want to
see it. 
When you insert your xref(s) it would be in two parts.
See x, starting on page Y of book number ;Z 
first xref targets your para, second xref targets your instance of the book
variable regardless of where it is in the file.

Craig

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Putting variables in cross references

Hi, guys...I have an FM11 book that is composed of two document books, with
each book having multiple volumes, them each volume multiple chapters.

I have a variable defined for Book 1 and Book 2, and will soon have
Book 3 and Book 4 (as we expand the book to more Lines of Business) and
I have the appropriate variable copied to all files in the applicable book.

I want to create a cross-reference format that goes something like See X,
starting on page Y of book number Z where X is the heading and Y is the
book number variable..

What I can't figure out is to include a variable in a cross reference. What
am I missing?

Thanks
John Posada

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RE: global master page changes: Timestamp

[Craig Ede]

I'm coming from a medical device background, where revisions of documents are 
quite different than modifications (hundreds, perhaps, between revisions, even 
if the revision releases are only one month apart). It nice to know when a 
document was released and not just when it was last touched.

 

Accordingly, we use user variables for the revision and change it from Rev A 
to Rev A+ after an official release and then finally to Rev B when that is 
released. Such user variables are also used for a release date like March 
2013. We would never want such a variable to update one either open, update 
(which also updates system variables, unless I'm mistaken) or close.

 

We use system variables to capture modification date/time for every file 
editing session (since the documents are checked in and out of a repository). 
With those variables in the footer on every page of a document (along with the 
filename variable), we know exactly what version of a document we are looking 
at when we see a printout or PDF of any of these files. We like the auto-update 
quality of a variable in this situation. [We print all this in tiny, tiny type 
in the footer.]

 

Craig

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variables imported via MIF fragment WAS: global master page changes

[Craig Ede]

I agree that the MIF fragment import is the most elegant (and was my
preferred method previously), but  I had no success with import from MIF
fragment working with FM11. I haven't tried it with FM10. Can someone else
confirm that this no longer works with FM11?

 

Craig

 

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:20 PM
To: craig...@hotmail.com
Cc: 'Timothy DeWees'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: global master page changes

 

Perhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is to save the
definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any chance of mucking anything
else in your files.

 

I refer to Using MIF Fragments to Update Catalog Settings on p. 581 of my
book whenever I need to do this.


-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan 
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote:





I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables
from a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used
variables) across the range of files that need to be updated.

 

Craig

 

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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:02 AM
To:  mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: global master page changes

 

I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The
client likes to have a version in the header, such as March 2013
Version, April 2013 Version, etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all
of my master pages in the book from say March to April in the header title?
I'm currently running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using
framescript since not everyone working with these documents has framescript.
Thanks in advance for the help.

 

Tim DeWees

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Putting variables in cross references

[Craig Ede]

Establish an instance of your book number variable somewhere in each
particular file and create a second cross-reference to that. It can be
hidden somewhere by making it white on the white page if you don't want to
see it. 
When you insert your xref(s) it would be in two parts.
"See , starting on page Y of book number ";"Z" 
first xref targets your para, second xref targets your instance of the book
variable regardless of where it is in the file.

Craig

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john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Putting variables in cross references

Hi, guys...I have an FM11 book that is composed of two document books, with
each book having multiple volumes, them each volume multiple chapters.

I have a variable defined for "Book 1" and "Book 2", and will soon have
"Book 3" and "Book 4" (as we expand the book to more Lines of Business) and
I have the appropriate variable copied to all files in the applicable book.

I want to create a cross-reference format that goes something like "See ,
starting on page Y of book number Z" where X is the heading and Y is the
book number variable..

What I can't figure out is to include a variable in a cross reference. What
am I missing?

Thanks
John Posada

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global master page changes: Timestamp

[Craig Ede]

I'm coming from a medical device background, where revisions of documents are 
quite different than modifications (hundreds, perhaps, between revisions, even 
if the revision releases are only one month apart). It nice to know when a 
document was released and not just when it was last touched.



Accordingly, we use user variables for the revision and change it from "Rev A" 
to "Rev A+" after an official release and then finally to "Rev B" when that is 
released. Such user variables are also used for a release date like "March 
2013". We would never want such a variable to update one either open, update 
(which also updates system variables, unless I'm mistaken) or close.



We use system variables to capture modification date/time for every file 
editing session (since the documents are checked in and out of a repository). 
With those variables in the footer on every page of a document (along with the 
filename variable), we know exactly what version of a document we are looking 
at when we see a printout or PDF of any of these files. We like the auto-update 
quality of a variable in this situation. [We print all this in tiny, tiny type 
in the footer.]



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RE: global master page changes

[Craig Ede]

I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables
from a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used
variables) across the range of files that need to be updated.

 

Craig

 

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: global master page changes

 

I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The
client likes to have a version in the header, such as March 2013
Version, April 2013 Version, etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all
of my master pages in the book from say March to April in the header title?
I'm currently running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using
framescript since not everyone working with these documents has framescript.
Thanks in advance for the help.

 

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[Craig Ede]

I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables
from a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used
variables) across the range of files that need to be updated.



Craig



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I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The
client likes to have a "version" in the header, such as "March 2013
Version", "April 2013 Version," etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all
of my master pages in the book from say March to April in the header title?
I'm currently running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using
framescript since not everyone working with these documents has framescript.
Thanks in advance for the help.



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variables imported via MIF fragment WAS: global master page changes

[Craig Ede]

I agree that the MIF fragment import is the most elegant (and was my
preferred method previously), but  I had no success with import from MIF
fragment working with FM11. I haven't tried it with FM10. Can someone else
confirm that this no longer works with FM11?



Craig



From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:20 PM
To: craigede at hotmail.com
Cc: 'Timothy DeWees'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: global master page changes



Perhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is to save the
definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any chance of mucking anything
else in your files.



I refer to "Using MIF Fragments to Update Catalog Settings" on p. 581 of my
book whenever I need to do this.


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On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:





I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables
from a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used
variables) across the range of files that need to be updated.



Craig



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Subject: global master page changes



I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The
client likes to have a "version" in the header, such as "March 2013
Version", "April 2013 Version," etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all
of my master pages in the book from say March to April in the header title?
I'm currently running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using
framescript since not everyone working with these documents has framescript.
Thanks in advance for the help.



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RE: FrameMaker 10 to FrameMaker 11

[Craig Ede]

I agree with jowens. Also, be sure to apply the latest update after 
installation as there was an initial problem with printing to PDF.

I work with both 10 and 11 and really appreciate the improvements in FM11. It's 
certainly not perfect, but it is better.
Craig

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:16:23 -0500
From: jow...@magma.ca
To: danny.g.gr...@noaa.gov
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 10 to FrameMaker 11
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com


  

  
  
We haven't experienced any problems
  since we upgraded a few months ago. The ability to edit the XML
  directly is a welcome improvement.

  

  On 2013-03-05 09:12, Danny Green - NOAA Federal wrote:



  All,
   
  We are considering upgrading from FrameMaker 10 to 11.  I
have seen some issues on this list concerning 11.  We use
Structured FrameMaker to develop our documents and then post
online and print from PDF. Is the move adviseable?
   
  Thanks
   
  Danny


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RE: why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?

[Craig Ede]

The kind of UI thing that bugs me is this: You have two documents tiled on the 
screen. You are in the left side document with your cursor in a paragraph that 
you want to retag. You slide your mouse over to the docked paragraph catalog 
(which is open on the right side of the screen) and click on a paragraph tag to 
apply it. Instead of applying it in the left hand document, you new tag is 
applied in the right hand document. Maddening!

Craig

 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:28:40 -0800
 Subject: Re: why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?
 From: rob...@lauriston.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Adobe's OWL UI doesn't look or feel much like Office 2010 to me.

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coffee WAS: Wrong font in index page numbers

[Craig Ede]

Now we can take that coffee break when opening a ditamap and creating a PDF 
from that!
The more things change
There is always a reason to have two computers on your desk.

Craig

 Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:04:45 +
 To: craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 Subject: RE: Wrong font in index page numbers
 
 At 13:31 -0600 4/3/13, Craig Ede wrote:
 
 Oh, FM3! Those were the days, weren't they?
 
 Maybe... at least you could go get a cup of coffee while your book was 
 rebuilding.
 
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FrameMaker 10 to FrameMaker 11

[Craig Ede]

I agree with jowens. Also, be sure to apply the latest update after 
installation as there was an initial problem with printing to PDF.

I work with both 10 and 11 and really appreciate the improvements in FM11. It's 
certainly not perfect, but it is better.
Craig

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:16:23 -0500
From: jow...@magma.ca
To: danny.g.green at noaa.gov
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 10 to FrameMaker 11
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com






We haven't experienced any problems
  since we upgraded a few months ago. The ability to edit the XML
  directly is a welcome improvement.



  On 2013-03-05 09:12, Danny Green - NOAA Federal wrote:



  All,

  We are considering upgrading from FrameMaker 10 to 11.  I
have seen some issues on this list concerning 11.  We use
Structured FrameMaker to develop our documents and then post
online and print from PDF. Is the move adviseable?

  Thanks

  Danny


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  405-573-8873






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why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?

[Craig Ede]

The kind of UI thing that bugs me is this: You have two documents tiled on the 
screen. You are in the left side document with your cursor in a paragraph that 
you want to retag. You slide your mouse over to the docked paragraph catalog 
(which is open on the right side of the screen) and click on a paragraph tag to 
apply it. Instead of applying it in the left hand document, you new tag is 
applied in the right hand document. Maddening!

Craig

> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 08:28:40 -0800
> Subject: Re: why is FM's UI so weird and buggy?
> From: robert at lauriston.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Adobe's OWL UI doesn't look or feel much like Office 2010 to me.


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coffee WAS: Wrong font in index page numbers

[Craig Ede]

Now we can take that coffee break when opening a ditamap and creating a PDF 
from that!
The more things change
There is always a reason to have two computers on your desk.

Craig

> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:04:45 +
> To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> From: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk
> Subject: RE: Wrong font in index page numbers
> 
> At 13:31 -0600 4/3/13, Craig Ede wrote:
> 
> >Oh, FM3! Those were the days, weren't they?
> 
> Maybe... at least you could go get a cup of coffee while your book was 
> rebuilding.
> 
> -- 
> Steve

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Wrong font in index page numbers

[Craig Ede]

I sent Steve something offlist, but I pretty sure you can correct that with the 
< before the page numbers on the reference pages (not at a 
FM machine right now). I'm sure we did something like this back in Frame 3. I 
know we never did the kind of search and replace you seem to be describing.

Oh, FM3! Those were the days, weren't they?

Craig

> From: sharon at anthrobytes.com
> To: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Wrong font in index page numbers
> Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:23:40 -0800
> 
> For about a billion years, Frame automatically creates the paragraph formats
> for the index stuff EXCEPT for the page numbers. So, go to the Reference
> page, find the format for the page number. Click it. You'll see it has an
> asterisk. Open the paragraph designer and create that format with those
> settings. 
> 
> Then update/change to your heart's content. 
> 
> Been that way since... Frame 3? 
> 
> sharon
> 
> Sharon Burton
> 951-369-8590
> www.sharonburton.com
> Twitter: sharonburton
> Author of 8 Steps to Amazing Webinars, 
> available on Amazon and bn.com
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Reappearing Change Bars

[Craig Ede]

It is possible that one of your users has added changebars manually (as an 
override). In that case you will have to remove them by applying the default 
font for the paragraph to the text in question.

BTW: I have seen this happen when users are not aware of the automatic nature 
of change bars and they want to make sure it happens.

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RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Craig Ede]

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost table 
cell out of the question?

Craig

 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
 From: tm...@spot-on-creative.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
 
 Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
 numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
 contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
 tables.
 
 Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
 add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
 for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
 our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
 pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
 numbers.
 
 -- 
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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Craig Ede]

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost table 
cell out of the question?

Craig

> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
> From: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
> 
> Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
> numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
> contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
> tables.
> 
> Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
> add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
> for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
> our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
> pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
> numbers.
> 
> -- 
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RE: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Craig Ede]

While this may not meet your needs, you can affect all (or just the selected) 
files in a book by choosing View  Zoom and choosing In, Out, 100%, Fit Page in 
Window (plus a couple of others). I find this useful since my monitor happens 
to fit the page to a full size window at 84%. The fact that this affects 
multiple files more than makes up, to me, for the loss of the ability to 
designate exactly which size to zoom to. If I need some particularly gargantuan 
size factor for a given file, I just type it into that percentage box you 
complain about.
 
Craig
 



Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:08:43 -0800
Subject: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11
From: karendes...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I just noticed that I cannot set 
custom zoom levels in FM 11. Why was the functionality of the old dialog box 
(or whatever it was called) removed? And no, I don't mean typing into the 
percentage/drop-down box--you know, the one that doesn't even look like an 
entry field until it is rolled over or clicked in. If I had to type the size 
every time I needed to change zoom level, I'd have the slowest workflow on the 
planet.

Seriously, are users expected to modify an .ini file just to set zoom-level 
settings? (I understand from Shmuel's tip on Rocky Mountain Training's blog 
that it's maker.ini line 95.) Most technical writers/editors are not 
programmers and are neither comfortable nor familiar with modifying application 
files this way. Seems dangerous for workgroups. Isn't that what user interfaces 
are for?

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RE: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Craig Ede]

Now that is one of the handiest tips I've ever gotten from this list! (And
I've been around a long time!)

Works in FM10 as well.

Craig 

 

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Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

 

fwiw, I've gotten used to using the Ctrl-Scroll Wheel to change my zoom
settings. Pushing the scroll wheel away (up) makes things smaller, while
dragging toward me (down) increases the magnification.

 

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contract ends, search begins.....

[Craig Ede]

Fellow Framers,



I've just finished a contract and am interested in new opportunities for
FrameMaker work. I'm located in the Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN area.



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Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Craig Ede]

While this may not meet your needs, you can affect all (or just the selected) 
files in a book by choosing View > Zoom and choosing In, Out, 100%, Fit Page in 
Window (plus a couple of others). I find this useful since my monitor happens 
to fit the page to a full size window at 84%. The fact that this affects 
multiple files more than makes up, to me, for the loss of the ability to 
designate exactly which size to zoom to. If I need some particularly gargantuan 
size factor for a given file, I just type it into that percentage box you 
complain about.

Craig




Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:08:43 -0800
Subject: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11
From: karendes...@gmail.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I just noticed that I cannot set 
custom zoom levels in FM 11. Why was the functionality of the old dialog box 
(or whatever it was called) removed? And no, I don't mean typing into the 
percentage/drop-down box--you know, the one that doesn't even look like an 
entry field until it is rolled over or clicked in. If I had to type the size 
every time I needed to change zoom level, I'd have the slowest workflow on the 
planet.

Seriously, are users expected to modify an .ini file just to set zoom-level 
settings? (I understand from Shmuel's tip on Rocky Mountain Training's blog 
that it's maker.ini line 95.) Most technical writers/editors are not 
programmers and are neither comfortable nor familiar with modifying application 
files this way. Seems dangerous for workgroups. Isn't that what user interfaces 
are for?

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[Craig Ede]

Now that is one of the handiest tips I've ever gotten from this list! (And
I've been around a long time!)

Works in FM10 as well.

Craig 



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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Karen Robbins
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11



fwiw, I've gotten used to using the Ctrl-Scroll Wheel to change my zoom
settings. Pushing the scroll wheel away (up) makes things smaller, while
dragging toward me (down) increases the magnification.



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RE: Vertical Alignment Bottom

[Craig Ede]

 

 

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:54 PM
To: 'Rick Quatro'
Subject: RE: Vertical Alignment Bottom

 

I suppose you could set the space above for your paragraph tag to something
that would push the text to the bottom of the text frame. Framemaker ignores
this setting for the first para on a page, so you'd have to pair your
special paratag with another tag above it. Also, this would only work for a
single line as the text would go to the next page if it wrapped. But you
could design a sequence of blank tags with various spacing setting to go
above to allow 2, 3 or more lines. Too much work really.

 

Best to just put your text in an invisible cell that fills the frame and set
the text to align with the bottom of the cell.

 

Craig 

 

 

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Vertical Alignment Bottom

 

I'm hoping this email hits the list.  My last few email have not. 

Does anyone know how to force texts to vertically align with the bottom of
the text frame?   

Thanks, 
Jess 



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Vertical Alignment Bottom

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From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:54 PM
To: 'Rick Quatro'
Subject: RE: Vertical Alignment Bottom



I suppose you could set the space above for your paragraph tag to something
that would push the text to the bottom of the text frame. Framemaker ignores
this setting for the first para on a page, so you'd have to pair your
special paratag with another tag above it. Also, this would only work for a
single line as the text would go to the next page if it wrapped. But you
could design a sequence of "blank" tags with various spacing setting to go
above to allow 2, 3 or more lines. Too much work really.



Best to just put your text in an invisible cell that fills the frame and set
the text to align with the bottom of the cell.



Craig 





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mmm.com
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:55 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Vertical Alignment Bottom



I'm hoping this email hits the list.  My last few email have not. 

Does anyone know how to force texts to vertically align with the bottom of
the text frame?   

Thanks, 
Jess 



Jessica Davis | Technical Writer
Motor Vehicle Systems & Services
3M Company, 28100 Cabot Dr | Novi, MI 48377
Office: 248 374 9652
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RE: FM 7 and CS6 Illustrator art

[Craig Ede]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be a happy thing if we could back save files with the
new features still there. I don't know how the hell one could program  that,
though, since the old file structure would have no way to anticipate any new
features (whatever they might be!). Layers (subject to flattening if there
were no layers before) would be just one of these things.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:28 AM
To: Ivan David Vaseekaran; Craig Ede; framers
Subject: RE: FM 7 and CS6 Illustrator art

At 16:07 +0530 8/2/13, Ivan David Vaseekaran wrote:
I checked with the Illustrator team - and they inform me that CS6 will back
save. However, if you use a feature that is available in CS6 and not in
CSpreviousversion, then, when you open the file in the CSpreviousversion,
elements created using the newer features of CS6 will not be available for
editing and manipulation. I believe they're 'flattened'.

Sad, but, I am sure, true.

-- 
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[Craig Ede]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be a happy thing if we could back save files with the
new features still there. I don't know how the hell one could program  that,
though, since the old file structure would have no way to anticipate any new
features (whatever they might be!). Layers (subject to flattening if there
were no layers before) would be just one of these things.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 5:28 AM
To: Ivan David Vaseekaran; Craig Ede; framers
Subject: RE: FM 7 and CS6 Illustrator art

At 16:07 +0530 8/2/13, Ivan David Vaseekaran wrote:
>I checked with the Illustrator team - and they inform me that CS6 will back
save. However, if you use a feature that is available in CS6 and not in
CSpreviousversion, then, when you open the file in the CSpreviousversion,
elements created using the newer features of CS6 will not be available for
editing and manipulation. I believe they're 'flattened'.

Sad, but, I am sure, true.

-- 
Steve

FM crashes while Save Ditamap As PDF , Save Ditamap As Composite document

[Craig Ede]

I continue to have problems with hard crashes of FM11 involving the conditions 
described below: 
Framemaker 11 is crashing when I open a ditamap on the network and attempt to 
SaveDitamapAs PDF or SaveAsPDF. This happens whether I am saving the PDF to the 
network drive, the desktop or to the myDocuments folder on my C drive . It also 
crashes if I try to save the ditamap as a composite FM document to any of these 
locations. Opening a single .dita file and doing a SaveAs PDF does not  If I do 
the same actions with the same collection of DITA files stored on my local 
drive, the process is successful. Unfortunately, we have to work with our files 
on the network. Additional information: I can successfully print a PDF of one 
of the component dita files using FilePrint from that network location. But if 
I try to FileSaveAs  PDF with the  View Generated PDF in Acrobat option 
checked. the process appears to proceed normally but concludes with a message 
saying There was an error opening this document. The file cannot be found. 
Distiller reports Empty Job. No PDF file produced. In these cases FM does not 
crash. My IT guys don't find anything unusual with the permission settings of 
the network location the DITA files are stored at, but clearly something is 
upsetting Framemaker. All other functions to the network location work normally.
 I've sent many of the log files produced by these crashes to fmer...@adobe.com 
Thanks for any insights.
 
 Craig
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FM crashes while Save Ditamap As > PDF , Save Ditamap As > Composite document

[Craig Ede]

I continue to have problems with hard crashes of FM11 involving the conditions 
described below: 
Framemaker 11 is crashing when I open a ditamap on the network and attempt to 
SaveDitamapAs PDF or SaveAsPDF. This happens whether I am saving the PDF to the 
network drive, the desktop or to the myDocuments folder on my C drive . It also 
crashes if I try to save the ditamap as a composite FM document to any of these 
locations. Opening a single .dita file and doing a SaveAs PDF does not  If I do 
the same actions with the same collection of DITA files stored on my local 
drive, the process is successful. Unfortunately, we have to work with our files 
on the network. Additional information: I can successfully print a PDF of one 
of the component dita files using File>Print from that network location. But if 
I try to File>SaveAs > PDF with the  View Generated PDF in Acrobat option 
checked. the process appears to proceed normally but concludes with a message 
saying "There was an error opening this document. The file cannot be found." 
Distiller reports "Empty Job. No PDF file produced." In these cases FM does not 
crash. My IT guys don't find anything unusual with the permission settings of 
the network location the DITA files are stored at, but clearly something is 
upsetting Framemaker. All other functions to the network location work normally.
 I've sent many of the log files produced by these crashes to fmerror at 
adobe.com 
Thanks for any insights.

 Craig

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RE: FM 7 and CS6 Illustrator art

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Save as EPS might be your best bet if you are running into problems. That's the 
format that was more commonly used from Illustrator back then. Craig
  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:10:20 +
 To: arlyn_...@ea.epson.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 Subject: Re: FM 7 and CS6 Illustrator art
 
 At 11:34 -0800 4/2/13, arlyn_...@ea.epson.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone know of any issues importing CS6 Illustrator art into FM 7? 
 We're still using FM 7 (obviously) and one of our vendors is planning on 
 upgrading to CS6. Will they need to back save to a previous version? I 
 vaguely recall hearing about art import issues, but maybe that was with 
 earlier versions of FM. Thanks!
 
 Just to add to what the others have posted, I circumvent .ai and save from 
 Illustrator as editable PDF and it gives me no problems. It's in fact an 
 advantage, as diagrams can be viewed in Reader. But yes, FrameMaker 7 can 
 import .ai files - at least those from CS2, which is what I have here. Or at 
 least he Mac version can: I don't know about Windows FrameMaker. I have v 10, 
 but as yet no machine to run it on.
 
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RE: FM 10 list of pods becomes detached

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Once you have it built the way you want it, save it as a custom workspace and 
save a copy under another custom workspace name. That will save you having to 
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Save as EPS might be your best bet if you are running into problems. That's the 
format that was more commonly used from Illustrator back then. Craig
 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:10:20 +
> To: Arlyn_Lee at ea.epson.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> From: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk
> Subject: Re: FM 7 and CS6 Illustrator art
> 
> At 11:34 -0800 4/2/13,  wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone know of any issues importing CS6 Illustrator art into FM 7? 
> >We're still using FM 7 (obviously) and one of our vendors is planning on 
> >upgrading to CS6. Will they need to back save to a previous version? I 
> >vaguely recall hearing about art import issues, but maybe that was with 
> >earlier versions of FM. Thanks!
> 
> Just to add to what the others have posted, I circumvent .ai and save from 
> Illustrator as editable PDF and it gives me no problems. It's in fact an 
> advantage, as diagrams can be viewed in Reader. But yes, FrameMaker 7 can 
> import .ai files - at least those from CS2, which is what I have here. Or at 
> least he Mac version can: I don't know about Windows FrameMaker. I have v 10, 
> but as yet no machine to run it on.
> 
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Once you have it built the way you want it, save it as a custom workspace and 
save a copy under another custom workspace name. That will save you having to 
rebuild it next time. Craig

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