Re: Netscape and -current

[Daniel O'Connor]

On 22-Nov-99 Steve Kargl wrote:
>  FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Mon Nov 15 09:52:45 PST 1999
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>  netscape (for FBSD) works fine.

I have -current as of 19-Nov-99 and Netscape works fine (well as well at it
ever does..)

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RE: Netscape and -current

[David Scheidt]

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Brian Fundakowski Feldman wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Alexander N. Kabaev wrote:
> 
> > The same here. CURRENT updated and built on Sunday causes native
> > FreeBSD Netscape to lock up. Linux Netscape still works fine.
> > 
> 
> Happens here, too.  Can someone with a machine to spare try the following:
> 

Working on this now.  I presume I can just build a kernel, since the machine
I am trying to upgrade form -STABLE to CURRENT does this.  



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Re: Netscape and -current

[Steve Kargl]

Brian Fundakowski Feldman wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Alexander N. Kabaev wrote:
> 
> > The same here. CURRENT updated and built on Sunday causes native
> > FreeBSD Netscape to lock up. Linux Netscape still works fine.
> > 
> 
> Happens here, too.  Can someone with a machine to spare try the following:
> 
> 1. Go back in date a week, and try the kernel.  Does Netscape work?

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netscape (for FBSD) works fine.

> 2. Try a day later. Repeat till netscape breaks.

Can't do this at the moment.

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RE: Netscape and -current

[Brian Fundakowski Feldman]

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Alexander N. Kabaev wrote:

> The same here. CURRENT updated and built on Sunday causes native
> FreeBSD Netscape to lock up. Linux Netscape still works fine.
> 

Happens here, too.  Can someone with a machine to spare try the following:

1. Go back in date a week, and try the kernel.  Does Netscape work?
2. Try a day later. Repeat till netscape breaks.
3. Go to the day it was still working.  Read commits between the
two times and see what's changed.  Could it possibly be the KAME
commit?

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RE: Netscape and -current

[Alexander N. Kabaev]

The same here. CURRENT updated and built on Sunday causes native
FreeBSD Netscape to lock up. Linux Netscape still works fine.


 
On 22-Nov-99 Jean-Marc Zucconi wrote:
> This happens with a kernel/world from today: netscape is unusable.
> Most of the time it freezes after a few seconds. Here is the tail of
> kdump: 
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   select 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x1,0)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb874,0)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   gettimeofday 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x3,0)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x1,0x2000)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  select(0xa,0x50011f48,0,0x50011f08,0x50011efc)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   select 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  gettimeofday(0x50011dac,0)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   gettimeofday 0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x3,0)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 8192/0x2000
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  gettimeofday(0x50011f60,0)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   gettimeofday 0
>484 communicator-4.7 PSIG  SIGALRM caught handler=0x8fea40 mask=0x0
> code=0x0
>484 communicator-4.7 CALL  sigreturn(0x50011ed4)
>484 communicator-4.7 RET   sigreturn -1 errno 14 Bad address
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Jean-Marc
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Netscape and -current

[Jean-Marc Zucconi]

This happens with a kernel/world from today: netscape is unusable.
Most of the time it freezes after a few seconds. Here is the tail of
kdump: 
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   select 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x1,0)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  gettimeofday(0xbfbfb874,0)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   gettimeofday 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x3,0)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x1,0x2000)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  select(0xa,0x50011f48,0,0x50011f08,0x50011efc)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   select 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  gettimeofday(0x50011dac,0)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   gettimeofday 0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  old.sigprocmask(0x3,0)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   old.sigprocmask 8192/0x2000
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  gettimeofday(0x50011f60,0)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   gettimeofday 0
   484 communicator-4.7 PSIG  SIGALRM caught handler=0x8fea40 mask=0x0 code=0x0
   484 communicator-4.7 CALL  sigreturn(0x50011ed4)
   484 communicator-4.7 RET   sigreturn -1 errno 14 Bad address

Any idea?

Jean-Marc

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[George W. Dinolt]

I am running FreeBSD 4.0. I have been seeing the empty core files from
netscape 4.61 and (as of last night) 4.7 for at least a week. I use
fvwm2 and afterstep-devel. The behavior seems to be independant of the
window manager. I rebuilt all my ports (including X and new X aout
files) with the new kernel and world as of Saturday, but this has had
no effect. Mostly this behavior is anoying, although occasionally I
will see a crash when I try to read mail. Things seem a little stabler
with netscape in linux emulation mode, but I haven't kept track
closely enough to tell. 
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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Dr. Brain]

I have had Linux communicator 4.6 core dump on me (signal 10) with an empty
core file a couple of times.  However I hacked the linux_base port to install
a redhat 6 libraries in order to get glibc 2.1, so I don't know if this will
make any difference.

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Dan Moschuk]

| Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
| the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
| It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I 
| have at work.
| 
| Thanks ...

I have two 4.0-CURRENT machines, one with netscape running natively, the 
other under linux "emulation".

Surprisingly, the one running under linux emu is pretty stable.  I have a
few problems with netscape natively with java sites, but since disabling
that it's been "pretty good".

Of course, I still experience one of those random crashes every now and 
again.

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Gianmarco Giovannelli]

At 03/10/99, Chris Piazza wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 11:25:23AM -0400, Jon Parise wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 12:22:55PM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:
> >
> > > Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT 
> when
> > > the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
> > > It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 
> 3.2-STABLE I
> > > have at work.
> >
> > Yes, I've been experiencing that as well.  It writes a zero length
> > core file in my home directory and exits with signal 10:
> >
> > Oct  1 16:20:53 void /kernel: pid 18518 (navigator-4.61.b), uid
> > 1000: exited on signal 10
> >
> > It's incredibly annoying, but I haven't bothered to track it down
> > in any great detail.
>
>Disable Javascript and the problem will go away (ugh).  I once had
>it crash over 30 times in a single day.

It's not related to Javascript or at least not these cores ...
Here it crashes also when browsing local files (without Javascript) and it 
DOESN'T happen with 3.3-STABLE...

So it has to be a 4.0-CURRENT problem that perhaps worths to be investigate 
better...
It is not kind to have the "default" browser crashes so heavily and 
couldn't rely on it...

I'd like to know if people using other platforms (like Linux and BSDI) 
and/or other wm (I use windowmaker) has  the same problem...

Thanks for your time...



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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Christian Weisgerber]

Chris Piazza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Disable Javascript and the problem will go away (ugh).

I have JavaScript disabled by default. Still, navigator frequently
crashes on close or (I couldn't care less) exit.

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Kenneth Wayne Culver]

That's odd, I have not been able to make netscape crash. 


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On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Jon Parise wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 12:22:55PM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:
> 
> > Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
> > the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
> > It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I 
> > have at work.
> 
> Yes, I've been experiencing that as well.  It writes a zero length
> core file in my home directory and exits with signal 10:
> 
> Oct  1 16:20:53 void /kernel: pid 18518 (navigator-4.61.b), uid
> 1000: exited on signal 10
> 
> It's incredibly annoying, but I haven't bothered to track it down
> in any great detail.
> 
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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Christian Weisgerber]

Gianmarco Giovannelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
> the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?

Same here. Navigator 4.61. Previous versions didn't show this behavior.

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Chris Piazza]

On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 11:25:23AM -0400, Jon Parise wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 12:22:55PM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:
> 
> > Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
> > the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
> > It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I 
> > have at work.
> 
> Yes, I've been experiencing that as well.  It writes a zero length
> core file in my home directory and exits with signal 10:
> 
> Oct  1 16:20:53 void /kernel: pid 18518 (navigator-4.61.b), uid
> 1000: exited on signal 10
> 
> It's incredibly annoying, but I haven't bothered to track it down
> in any great detail.

Disable Javascript and the problem will go away (ugh).  I once had
it crash over 30 times in a single day.

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Gianmarco Giovannelli]

At 03/10/99, James Howard wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:
>
> > Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when
> > the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
> > It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I
> > have at work.
>
>I have had problems using the combination of Netscape 4.61, Afterstep
>1.7.25, and Slashdot.  Nearly every other click will cause Netscape to
>crash whereas if I change the browser, the website, or the WM, I have no
>problems at all.

I am using Xaccel 5.0.2 with windowmaker 0.61 but my crashes happening also 
on local file browsing ...
It is very annoying because when you begin to surf you always open multiple 
window and you can't close them without the fear to crash everything (with 
downloads too)...

I am using the FreeBSD version, perhaps the other versions (linux, bsdi) 
are immune...



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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Jon Parise]

On Sun, Oct 03, 1999 at 12:22:55PM +0200, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:

> Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
> the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
> It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I 
> have at work.

Yes, I've been experiencing that as well.  It writes a zero length
core file in my home directory and exits with signal 10:

Oct  1 16:20:53 void /kernel: pid 18518 (navigator-4.61.b), uid
1000: exited on signal 10

It's incredibly annoying, but I haven't bothered to track it down
in any great detail.

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Re: Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[James Howard]

On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote:

> Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
> the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
> It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I 
> have at work.

I have had problems using the combination of Netscape 4.61, Afterstep
1.7.25, and Slashdot.  Nearly every other click will cause Netscape to
crash whereas if I change the browser, the website, or the WM, I have no
problems at all.

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Netscape core dump, happily :-)

[Gianmarco Giovannelli]

Is there anyone who is experienced Netscape crashes with 4.0-CURRENT when 
the close button is pressed (not always, but very often) ?
It happens to me with 4.61 and 4.70 , it doesn't happen with 3.2-STABLE I 
have at work.

Thanks ...




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Re: Repeatable panic in current, cause Netscape

[Vallo Kallaste]

On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 07:42:50PM +0200, Marcel Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The latest -current system crashes while starting up Netscape, mine
> > version is 4.61, Linux one. It's fully repeatable in my case. I got
> > crash dump and here's my dmesg and gdb trace:
> 
> Make sure that the linux module is as uptodate as the kernel is. As a
> rule of thumb: rebuild the modules you use when you rebuild the kernel.
> 
> If that doesn't help in this case, continue debugging :-)

Thankyou for tip, discovered that my modules are from Sept 17 and I know
I've compiled the kernel several times in between 17 to date. Quick look
at /usr/sup/src-all/checkouts.cvs:. gives me the 26'th. I must have done
cvsup for src-all by accident.
Sorry for false alert, my Netscape works now as usual.

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Re: Repeatable panic in current, cause Netscape

[Marcel Moolenaar]

Vallo Kallaste wrote:

> The latest -current system crashes while starting up Netscape, mine
> version is 4.61, Linux one. It's fully repeatable in my case. I got
> crash dump and here's my dmesg and gdb trace:

Make sure that the linux module is as uptodate as the kernel is. As a
rule of thumb: rebuild the modules you use when you rebuild the kernel.

If that doesn't help in this case, continue debugging :-)

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Re: Repeatable panic in current, cause Netscape

[Vallo Kallaste]

On Wed, Sep 29, 1999 at 09:51:49AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> excellent, using kgbd, can you please type "up" until you hit
> frame 5 and print the value of the ndp and some of the other
> variables?  A listing of the code at that location would also
> be great. ('list')

Sorry I don't know anything about debugging, so I did some
trial-and-error game and used print on something which seemed emit
useful information. Useful from my point of view ;-) Hope it's really
useful. Otherwise please give exact guidelines or I can try limit memory
and get 32MB dump or so suitable for downloading.

Script started on Wed Sep 29 20:42:14 1999
myhakas# gdb -k /sys/compile/Myhakas/kernel.debug vmcore.1
GNU gdb 4.18
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GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
SMP 2 cpus
IdlePTD 3211264
initial pcb at 298e00
panicstr: page fault
panic messages:
---
Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
mp_lock = 0102; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 0100
fault virtual address   = 0x17
fault code  = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc017ad2c
stack pointer   = 0x10:0xc8e5fca0
frame pointer   = 0x10:0xc8e5fcf0
code segment= base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
= DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags    = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process = 666 (netscape)
interrupt mask  = none <- SMP: XXX
trap number = 12
panic: page fault
mp_lock = 0102; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 0100
boot() called on cpu#1

syncing disks... 19 5 1 done

dumping to dev #da/0x20001, offset 0
dump 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 
108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 
82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 
53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 
24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 
---
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:281
281 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
(kgdb) where
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:281
#1  0xc0155349 in panic (fmt=0xc026de2f "page fault")
at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:531
#2  0xc0236400 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc8e5fc60, eva=23)
at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:907
#3  0xc0236071 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc8e5fc60, usermode=0, eva=23)
at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:800
#4  0xc0235ce7 in trap (frame={tf_fs = 1048600, tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, 
  tf_edi = -924451276, tf_esi = -924451236, tf_ebp = -924451600, 
  tf_isp = -924451700, tf_ebx = -1061078179, tf_edx = -924572480, 
  tf_ecx = 7, tf_eax = 7, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, 
  tf_eip = -1072190164, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66198, 
  tf_esp = -1061078179, tf_ss = 0}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:426
#5  0xc017ad2c in namei (ndp=0xc8e5fe34) at ../../kern/vfs_lookup.c:91
#6  0xc0c12eb5 in ?? ()
#7  0xc0c11c55 in ?? ()
#8  0xc0236642 in syscall (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, 
  tf_edi = 677678720, tf_esi = 677674201, tf_ebp = -1077946400, 
  tf_isp = -924450860, tf_ebx = 677674201, tf_edx = -1077946464, 
  tf_ecx = -1077946464, tf_eax = 106, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, 
  tf_eip = 677666503, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1077946504, 
  tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1056
#9  0xc02241b1 in Xint0x80_syscall ()
#10 0x28644564 in ?? ()
(kgdb) up 5
#5  0xc017ad2c in namei (ndp=0xc8e5fe34) at ../../kern/vfs_lookup.c:91
91  ndp->ni_cnd.cn_cred = ndp->ni_cnd.cn_proc->p_ucred;
(kgdb) list
86  struct uio auio;
87  int error, linklen;
88  struct componentname *cnp = &ndp->ni_cnd;
89  struct proc *p = cnp->cn_proc;
90  
91  ndp->ni_cnd.cn_cred = ndp->ni_cnd.cn_proc->p_ucred;
92  KASSERT(cnp->cn_cred && cnp->cn_proc, ("namei: bad cred/proc"));
93  KASSERT((cnp->cn_nameiop & (~OPMASK)) == 0,
94  ("namei: nameiop contaminated with flags"));
95  KASSERT((cnp->cn_flags & OPMASK) == 0,
(kgdb) print ndp
$1 = (struct nameidata *) 0xc8e5fe34
(kgdb) print *ndp
$2 = {ni_dirp = 0xc0d2b000 "/compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache", 
  ni_segflg = UIO_SYSSPACE, ni_startdir = 0xc046d730, ni_rootdir = 0xc0462000, 
  ni_topdir = 0x871c000, ni_vp = 0xc8e5fe8c, ni_dvp = 0xc0233db8, 
  ni_pathlen = 3370408552, 

Re: Repeatable panic in current, cause Netscape

[Alfred Perlstein]

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Vallo Kallaste wrote:

> Hello
> 
> The latest -current system crashes while starting up Netscape, mine
> version is 4.61, Linux one. It's fully repeatable in my case. I got
> crash dump and here's my dmesg and gdb trace:
> 
> Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project.
> Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
>   The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

...

excellent, using kgbd, can you please type "up" until you hit
frame 5 and print the value of the ndp and some of the other
variables?  A listing of the code at that location would also
be great. ('list')

thanks,
-Alfred Perlstein - [[EMAIL PROTECTED]|[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Wintelcom systems administrator and programmer
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> 
> Script started on Wed Sep 29 11:07:23 1999
> myhakas# gdb -k /sys/compile/Myhakas/kernel.debug vmcore.1
> GNU gdb 4.18
> Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
> welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
> Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
> This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
> SMP 2 cpus
> IdlePTD 3211264
> initial pcb at 298e00
> panicstr: page fault
> panic messages:
> ---
> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
> mp_lock = 0102; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 0100
> fault virtual address = 0x17
> fault code= supervisor read, page not present
> instruction pointer   = 0x8:0xc017ad2c
> stack pointer = 0x10:0xc8e5fca0
> frame pointer = 0x10:0xc8e5fcf0
> code segment  = base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
>   = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
> processor eflags  = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
> current process   = 666 (netscape)
> interrupt mask= none <- SMP: XXX
> trap number   = 12
> panic: page fault
> mp_lock = 0102; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 0100
> boot() called on cpu#1
> 
> syncing disks... 19 5 1 done
> 
> dumping to dev #da/0x20001, offset 0
> dump 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 
>108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 
>83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 
>55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 
>27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 
> ---
> #0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:281
> 281   dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
> (kgdb) where
> #0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:281
> #1  0xc0155349 in panic (fmt=0xc026de2f "page fault")
> at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:531
> #2  0xc0236400 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc8e5fc60, eva=23)
> at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:907
> #3  0xc0236071 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc8e5fc60, usermode=0, eva=23)
> at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:800
> #4  0xc0235ce7 in trap (frame={tf_fs = 1048600, tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, 
>   tf_edi = -924451276, tf_esi = -924451236, tf_ebp = -924451600, 
>   tf_isp = -924451700, tf_ebx = -1061078179, tf_edx = -924572480, 
>   tf_ecx = 7, tf_eax = 7, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, 
>   tf_eip = -1072190164, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66198, 
>   tf_esp = -1061078179, tf_ss = 0}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:426
> #5  0xc017ad2c in namei (ndp=0xc8e5fe34) at ../../kern/vfs_lookup.c:91
> #6  0xc0c12eb5 in ?? ()
> #7  0xc0c11c55 in ?? ()
> #8  0xc0236642 in syscall (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, 
>   tf_edi = 677678720, tf_esi = 677674201, tf_ebp = -1077946400, 
>   tf_isp = -924450860, tf_ebx = 677674201, tf_edx = -1077946464, 
>   tf_ecx = -1077946464, tf_eax = 106, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, 
>   tf_eip = 677666503, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1077946504, 
>   tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1056
> #9  0xc02241b1 in Xint0x80_syscall ()
> #10 0x28644564 in ?? ()
> (kgdb) quit
> myhakas# exit
> exit
> 
> The same Netscape and X did work for last 3 weeks. The same Netscape did
> work for at least last 2 months. I see it's a known problem accordingly
> to lists.
> 
> Thanks
> -- 
> 
> Vallo Kallaste
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Repeatable panic in current, cause Netscape

[Vallo Kallaste]

Hello

The latest -current system crashes while starting up Netscape, mine
version is 4.61, Linux one. It's fully repeatable in my case. I got
crash dump and here's my dmesg and gdb trace:

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Sep 29 09:53:08 EEST 1999
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/Myhakas
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193038 Hz
CPU: Pentium III (501.08-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x672  Stepping = 2
  
Features=0x383fbff
real memory  = 134217728 (131072K bytes)
avail memory = 126898176 (123924K bytes)
Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard
 cpu0 (BSP): apic id:  0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee0
 cpu1 (AP):  apic id:  1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee0
 io0 (APIC): apic id:  2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec0
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02fe000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc02fe09c.
VESA: v2.0, 32768k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc00c6954 (c0006954)
VESA: Matrox Graphics Inc.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
devclass_alloc_unit: pcib0 already exists, using next available unit number
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0:  on motherboard
pci0:  on pcib0
pcib2:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib2
vga-pci0:  irq 2 at device 0.0 on pci1
isab0:  at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
chip1:  at device 7.1 on pci0
chip2:  at device 7.2 on pci0
Timecounter "PIIX"  frequency 3579545 Hz
chip3:  at device 7.3 on pci0
ahc0:  irq 16 at device 11.0 on pci0
ahc0: aic7896/97 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ahc1:  irq 16 at device 11.1 on pci0
ahc1: aic7896/97 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
fxp0:  irq 19 at device 13.0 on pci0
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:10:50:32
ncr0:  irq 16 at device 14.0 on pci0
fxp1:  irq 17 at device 15.0 on pci0
fxp1: Ethernet address 00:90:27:54:57:26
devclass_alloc_unit: pci1 already exists, using next available unit number
pcib1:  on motherboard
pci2:  on pcib1
atkbdc0:  at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0
atkbd0:  irq 1 on atkbdc0
psm0:  irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
vga0:  at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
sc0:  on isa0
sc0: VGA <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x200>
fdc0:  at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
unknown0:  on isa0
unknown1:  on isa0
unknown2:  on isa0
pcm0:  at port 0x220-0x22f,0x320-0x327,0x32c-0x32f irq 11 drq 5,7 on isa0
unknown3:  on isa0
APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery
APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2
BRIDGE 981214, have 3 interfaces
-- index 1 fxp0 type 6 phy 0 addrl 6 addr 00.e0.81.10.50.32
-- index 2 fxp1 type 6 phy 0 addrl 6 addr 00.90.27.54.57.26
Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
changing root device to da0s1a
da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0
da0:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 4350MB (8910423 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 554C)
da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
da1:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 4350MB (8910423 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 554C)
cd0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
cd0:  Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 16)
cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
called sysctl for bridge name bridge arg2 0 val 0->0
called sysctl for bridge name bridge arg2 0 val 0->0
called sysctl for bridge name bridge arg2 0 val 0->1
called sysctl for bridge name bridge arg2 0 val 1->1
called sysctl for bridge name bridge arg2 0 val 1->1
fxp0: promiscuous mode enabled
>> now  fxp0 flags 0x8943 promisc 0
fxp1: promiscuous mode enabled
>> now  fxp1 flags 0x8943 promisc 0


Script started on Wed Sep 29 11:07:23 1999
myhakas# gdb -k /sys/compile/Myhakas/kernel.debug vmcore.1
GNU gdb 4.18
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
SMP 2 cpus
IdlePTD 3211264
initial pcb at 298e00
panicstr: page fault
panic messages:
---
Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
mp_lock = 0102; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 0100
fault virtual address   = 0x17
fault co

Re: -current panic w/linux netscape

[Mike Pritchard]

> :I finally saw my first -current panic in more than 5 months (not a bad
> :track record).
> :
> :I have a panic that I can duplicate with a 24 hour old "make world"
> :and a 4 hour old -current kernel.  If I run the linux netscape (installed
> :from ports less than a week ago), the kernel panics in copystr().
> :Minimal gdb output follows.  I'll have to generate a kernel with
> :debug info for more information.
> :
> :The linux netscape worked fine with my old kernel from 9/16.
> :I'm willing to try and track this down, but I hope someone
> :will pop up and have an idea what is wrong.
> :
> :-Mike

I must have caught two badly timed cvsups in a row.  After doing another cvsup
and recompiling/installing a kernel and modules (which I had done before),
everything is working fine.  I usually ignore any glitches after
a fresh "cvsup/make world", except in this case it took me 3 cvsup's
to get a fully-functional system.

I'm still not sure exactly what was out of sync here, but after
examing the crash dump with full symbols, it really looked like something
wasn't in sync (i386/trap.c:syscall() had some very odd values it was trying
to use).

I know how to debug kernels, I just haven't had to do so for such a long
time, so I wasn't prepared :-)  And doing it this time, just reminds
me how lacking gdb is in some respects compared to other kernel debugging 
tools I've used in the past in some areas.  In other areas it is much
better.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

-Mike

> Compile your kernel with debugging.  In the kernel configuration file
> in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/YOURCONFIGFILE, add:
> 
>   makeoptions DEBUG="-g"
> 
> Then config the kernel and rebuild.
> 
> When you make install, the non-debug version will be installed and the
> debug version will be sitting in the compile directory as 'kernel.debug'.
> 
> Then reboot, then cause the crash again and get another core (be sure
> to clear out space from /var/crash if necessary).
> 
> Now bring the system up again, and use this for your gdb:
> 
>   cd /var/crash
>   gdb -k /usr/src/sys/compile/YOURCONFIGNAME/kernel.debug vmcore.XX
> 
> And do the 'back' again to get the stack backtrace.  You should see a
> whole lot more information.
> 
>   -Matt
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Re: -current panic w/linux netscape

[Marcel Moolenaar]

Mike Pritchard wrote:

> I have a panic that I can duplicate with a 24 hour old "make world"
> and a 4 hour old -current kernel.

If you use the linux module, make sure it's in sync with the kernel. If
that doesn't help, either follow Matt's advice or use ktrace/truss.

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Re: -current panic w/linux netscape

[Matthew Dillon]

:I finally saw my first -current panic in more than 5 months (not a bad
:track record).
:
:I have a panic that I can duplicate with a 24 hour old "make world"
:and a 4 hour old -current kernel.  If I run the linux netscape (installed
:from ports less than a week ago), the kernel panics in copystr().
:Minimal gdb output follows.  I'll have to generate a kernel with
:debug info for more information.
:
:The linux netscape worked fine with my old kernel from 9/16.
:I'm willing to try and track this down, but I hope someone
:will pop up and have an idea what is wrong.
:
:-Mike

Compile your kernel with debugging.  In the kernel configuration file
in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/YOURCONFIGFILE, add:

makeoptions DEBUG="-g"

Then config the kernel and rebuild.

When you make install, the non-debug version will be installed and the
debug version will be sitting in the compile directory as 'kernel.debug'.

Then reboot, then cause the crash again and get another core (be sure
to clear out space from /var/crash if necessary).

Now bring the system up again, and use this for your gdb:

cd /var/crash
gdb -k /usr/src/sys/compile/YOURCONFIGNAME/kernel.debug vmcore.XX

And do the 'back' again to get the stack backtrace.  You should see a
whole lot more information.

-Matt



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-current panic w/linux netscape

[Mike Pritchard]

I finally saw my first -current panic in more than 5 months (not a bad
track record).

I have a panic that I can duplicate with a 24 hour old "make world"
and a 4 hour old -current kernel.  If I run the linux netscape (installed
from ports less than a week ago), the kernel panics in copystr().
Minimal gdb output follows.  I'll have to generate a kernel with
debug info for more information.

The linux netscape worked fine with my old kernel from 9/16.
I'm willing to try and track this down, but I hope someone
will pop up and have an idea what is wrong.

-Mike

Script started on Sun Sep 26 05:47:00 1999
mpp 2# gdb -k /usr/src/sys/compile/MPP/kernel /var/crash/vmcore.0
GNU gdb 4.18
(no debugging symbols found)...
IdlePTD 3264512
initial pcb at 29f1c0
panicstr: from debugger
panic messages:
---
Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
fault virtual address   = 0x7
fault code  = supervisor write, page not present
instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc0222d50
stack pointer   = 0x10:0xcb0bdc80
frame pointer   = 0x10:0xcb0bdce8
code segment= base 0x0, limit 0xf, type 0x1b
= DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags= interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process = 385 (communicator-4.6)
interrupt mask  = none
panic: from debugger
panic: from debugger

dumping to dev #wd/0x50001, offset 131072
dump 191 ... 1
---
#0  0xc013a644 in boot ()
(kgdb) bt
#0  0xc013a644 in boot ()
#1  0xc013a9e9 in panic ()
#2  0xc011f435 in db_panic ()
#3  0xc011f3d5 in db_command ()
#4  0xc011f49a in db_command_loop ()
#5  0xc012151f in db_trap ()
#6  0xc0215210 in kdb_trap ()
#7  0xc02240ac in trap_fatal ()
#8  0xc0223d85 in trap_pfault ()
#9  0xc02239c7 in trap ()
#10 0xc0222d50 in copystr ()
#11 0xc0dc7209 in ?? ()
#12 0xc0dc5fbd in ?? ()
#13 0xc0224316 in syscall ()
#14 0xc0215b06 in Xint0x80_syscall ()
#15 0x28abf564 in ?? ()
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Re: FreeBSD-current and Netscape Java

[Sheldon Hearn]

[Hijacked from the freebsd-current mailing list]

On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:46:52 -0400, Bill Pechter wrote:

> Are there any tricks to getting Java in Netscape running with
> FreeBSD --current.  

Just because CURRENT is the platform you use when you encounter a
problem, doesn't mean that the freebsd-current mailing list is the right
place to discuss it.

I'd suggest the freebsd-ports, assuming good old freebsd-questions isn't
good enough for you. :-)

Ciao,
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FreeBSD-current and Netscape Java

[Bill Pechter]

Are there any tricks to getting Java in Netscape running with
FreeBSD --current.  

I've suddenly noticed it's not working (tried 4.08 and 4.6 with
Fortify 1.4.4 applied and it's no-go even with the classpath
set correctly...)

Bill
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Re: Netscape dumps core after XFree86 build

[Peter Wemm]

"Kevin G. Eliuk" wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote:
> > 
> > I installed linux-netscape-4.08 and it opens with bus error or signal 10.
>
> That should be "without"

I've applied Bruce Evans's patch to egcs to work around (yet another)
problem with our crappy antique a.out gas.  After rebuilding egcs, and
rebuilding the a.out XFree86 libraries, netscape works again.  I was having
the same problem as you until then.

Cheers,
-Peter




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Re: Netscape dumps core after XFree86 build

[Kevin G. Eliuk]

On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote:
> 
> I installed linux-netscape-4.08 and it opens with bus error or signal 10.
   
That should be "without"

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Netscape dumps core after XFree86 build

[Kevin G. Eliuk]

Hello,

On Apr10 I rebuilt the XFree86 Port with aout compatibility libraries
running current of Apr04.  Immediately following Netscape Communicator
would dump core with a bus error.

I'm not sure if this is relevant or not, but when it dumps core the core
file name is truncated.

ca...@vanessa$ netscape
Bus error
ca...@vanessa$ ll *.core
-rw---  1 cagey  cagey  - 1425408 Apr 11 23:46
navigator-4.5.bi.core

and log output gives

pid 322 (navigator-4.5.bi), uid 1000: exited on signal 10

I installed linux-netscape-4.08 and it opens with bus error or signal 10.

I have rebuilt world early today, built flawlessy, but have not built XFree
as of yet.

Could I expect any difference from a rebuilt XFree?

I could supply requested data from ktrace or gdb though it should be
easy to duplicate the same.

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Re: netscape: no recognized font

[Randy Bush]

> They went away after I nuked all prior traces of Navigator, including
> my .netscape directory (you should rename it :-)

that was it.  i cleaned out much of .netscrape and it worked fine.  thanks.

randy


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Re: netscape: no recognized font

[Marc van Woerkom]

> % netscape
> no recognized font charsets!
> 
> 3.1-stable as of today
> navigator 4.5 freshly installed

I had similiar font problems when installing Navigator 4.5 under 
Solaris 2.6.

They went away after I nuked all prior traces of Navigator, including
my .netscape directory (you should rename it :-)

Who knows, this might work here too.


Good luck,
Marc


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netscape: no recognized font

[Randy Bush]

% netscape
no recognized font charsets!

3.1-stable as of today
navigator 4.5 freshly installed

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Re: netscape trouebles

[sthaug]

> For quite some time now Netscape 4.5 has been very unstable on my
> -current system. I've cvsup'ed and made world many times in the hope the
> problem would go away.
> 
> Today I decided to ktrace it, and see where it would stop.
> 
> Of course it now refuses to crash. Even on java stuff that would crash
> it _every_ time without the ktrace.
> 
> Now I can start my netscape with "ktrace -f /dev/null netscape", and
> it'll probably be happy, although this is less than a satisfactory
> solution.
> 
> I figure that the fact that it runs fine with the ktrace might mean
> something significant, although I wouldn't know what. So if anyone has
> an idea, I'd be delighted to hear about it.

I've had an unstable Netscape ever since upgrading to 3.x. There was
quite a bit of discussion about this around a month ago, but no firm
conclusion was reached. For me, it happens with MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS
turned on (ie. no separate DNS lookup processes) *and* I access a site
where the corresponding name servers take a long time to answer.

I found some more discussion about Netscape hanging in a Linux related
Web page, and the author has also produced a (Linux specific) patch. I
include the README file below. Sorry, no URL, but it's real easy to
find the package (search for Netscape-pipepatch) with ftpsearch.

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no
--
The Netscape pipe overflow workaround
=====

There is a known problem with most versions of Netscape currently
in use, where the Netscape freezes when loading specific pages.
The lockup is complete - there is no window refreshing and
no reaction to the kill -TERM. The only way out is to kill
the process with SIGKILL or from the window manager and
to manually remove the lock file.

The problem is timing-dependent - while most people seeing
it can reproduce it using specific pages, these pages are
different for different people.

The cause of this problem is quite simple. On most (if
not all Unixes) there is a limit on the pipe size and
writing to a pipe will block, if the pipe is full. This
limit is 4096 bytes on the Linux. The Netscape uses a pipe
for some internal synchronisation and fails to take this
into an account. When the pipe overflows, the Netscape
locks up trying to write into the pipe and nobody
reading it.

The presented workaround is a side-effect of narrowing down
this problem (the goal was to prove, if this is a kernel
or application problem). It is NOT intended as a general solution
to the problem (Netscape developers must fix it) and there
is NO GUARANTEE that it doesn't break something else. However,
the hack helped quite a lot of people and so I decided
to publish it.

The idea behind this hack is to insert a layer between Netscape
and the libc, which catches the problematic pipe and fakes I/O
operations that would otherwise cause the lock-up.


Installation


First you must know what version of Netscape you are
using - the keywords here are libc5 and glibc (aka libc6).
This is not necessarily the library your distribution
defaults to - it is perfectly possible to use libc5
Netscape on a glibc-based system.

  ldd $MOZILLA_HOME/netscape | grep libc.so

will probably give an idea, but there can be broken installations
of ldd giving questionable results (e.g. libc.so.5 => not found
is a valid answer for a libc5 installation).

Next edit the Makefile and check the LIBC and LIBDL
variables. These should be OK for a glibc Netscape,
you will need to change them for a libc5 one (the
instructions for doing this is in the Makefile).

Compile and install the hack (the default destination
is /usr/local/lib):

  make
  make install

Now the tricky part - you must set the LD_PRELOAD environment
variable to point to your hack somewhere where only Netscape
can see it. Generally you do this in some starting script
for netscape. As the distributions vary here, you are
basically on your own. The patch for Red Hat 5.2
is included (file starting.script.rh52.patch).

End remarks
===

The workaround is (C) 1999 Stanislav Meduna. The use,
modification and distribution is completely free. There
is ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY and i will NOT support the
workaround. There ARE known problems - it is not
known, if they are caused by the hack or only exposed
by using it - I will NOT try to fix them.

Some of the discussion on this hack is included
in the file Discussion.

If you include the workaround in some distribution,
I would like to hear about it.

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netscape trouebles

[Alex Le Heux]

Hi,

For quite some time now Netscape 4.5 has been very unstable on my
-current system. I've cvsup'ed and made world many times in the hope the
problem would go away.

Today I decided to ktrace it, and see where it would stop.

Of course it now refuses to crash. Even on java stuff that would crash
it _every_ time without the ktrace.

Now I can start my netscape with "ktrace -f /dev/null netscape", and
it'll probably be happy, although this is less than a satisfactory
solution.

I figure that the fact that it runs fine with the ktrace might mean
something significant, although I wouldn't know what. So if anyone has
an idea, I'd be delighted to hear about it.

The system is a Celeron-366, not overclocked, running -current,
XF3.3.3.1 and WindowMaker 0.51.0 and I have plenty of ram (160mb).

Netscape is the only application giving me trouble.

I've tried the FreeBSD version and the Linux version of Netscape, and
they both behave the same. It appears that the Linux version is a bit
less stable than the FreeBSD version.

Am I the only one with this problem?

Alex

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Re: Netscape, again

[Alexander Sanda]

Chris Tubutis  writes:

> > whenever I click a mailto: HREF it inadvertly dumps core.
> 
> 
> Does it truly dump core, or does it merely go away? 

Can't speak for the original poster, but my Netscrap 4.5 shows the same
behaviour:

[16]a...@darkstar:/alex #>/usr/local/netscape/netscape 
[now clicking on a mailto:]
zsh: bus error  /usr/local/netscape/netscape
[17]a...@darkstar:/alex #>lsl *.core
-rw---  1 alex  staff  5697536 Feb 16 02:52 netscape.core

Launching the messgenger before using any mailto: links does in fact
help.

P.S. -current, everything ELF (except netscape of course). Not that
I think that matters...

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Re: Netscape, again

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On 07-Feb-99 Chris Tubutis wrote:
> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

>> whenever I click a mailto: HREF it inadvertly dumps core.
> Does it truly dump core, or does it merely go away?

No, it really dumps core.

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Re: Netscape, again

[Chris Tubutis]

Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> 
> OK,
> 
> found another reproducable coredumper:
> 
> whenever I click a mailto: HREF it inadvertly dumps core.


Does it truly dump core, or does it merely go away?  It's a known problem with
Communicrasher 4.5 on UNIX platforms that trying to use any of the mail stuff
(including mailto links in web pages) without first starting up the mail client
will cause it to generate a Bus Error and and rather abruptly die.  (Check the
"Communicator for UNIX News group on the secnews.netscape.com News server.)
The simple workaround is to first open up the mail client thing, *then* try to
use the web browser part.

ct

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Netscape, again

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

OK,

found another reproducable coredumper:

whenever I click a mailto: HREF it inadvertly dumps core.

Now, am I wrong or did Netscape code their mailer in Java?

(btw, Netscape 4.5 Communicator)

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Reginald S. Perry]

I finally got everything set up as far as having my vt220 being my
console and being able to drop into DDB by hitting the break key.

It turns out that as part of my setup I was using MFS for /tmp. When I
did a CVSup and make world on the 29th, I decided to comment out the
MFS mount point. I have not had a hang since then.

So the question is are there known problems with MFS?


-Reggie

>"Alfred" == Alfred Perlstein  writes:


> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Reginald S. Perry wrote: I have been having
> these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5 running. I may have
> exacerbated it when I installed the linux realplayer and macromedia
> flash plugins.
> 
> I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I have
> just this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a
> vt220 which I could set up if that would help.
> 
> The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
> cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
> work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I would
> need to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach
> my dmesg output.
> 
> -Reggie
>

> options DDB options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER #a BREAK on a comconsole goes
> to options INVARIANTS options INVARIANT_SUPPORT
   
> device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device
> sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" flags 0x30 tty irq 3 vector siointr
  
 
> my 'sio2' is setup with special flags to make it always be the
> consol.  look in lint for more hints.

> when the machine locks: send a break: if on vt220: F5 using tip/cu:
> ~%

> take a look at 'ps' and copy it down to see what's up.

> you may also want to enable crash dumps, look in rc.conf and set
> your 'dumpdevice' to your swap partition.  then you can type 'panic'
> and get a core image of the system to look at.

> on the next reboot you can 'kdb' the kernel and then type 'bt' to
> get a backtrace.

> i have a vt320 for vanity purposes :), but i suggest you use a
> serial line into an xterm on another box if you can, ddb isn't the
> nicest interface and being able to cut and paste in and out of ddb
> in an xterm is nice.

> -Alfred


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Snapshots and Netscape

[Kelly Yancey]

  Just FYI, I don't know if anyone else has experienced this problem or
if it was only with 3.0-19990128-SNAP. I found that if you use
sysinstall to install a snapshot then you can't build Netscape 4..08 or
4.5 (Communicator or standalone). It dies in vreg (also when trying to
start Netscape withoutt having run vreg) looking for ld.so.
  I cvsup'ed to 3.0-STABLE as of last night and everything worked.

  Kelly

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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Luke]

On 28-Jan-99 Ollivier Robert wrote:
> According to Luke:
>> This is 4.5b1 communicator, and locks up X often enough I dont use it.
> 
> Beta versions of 4.5 were bad (in that case b2 was far worse than b1)
> whereas 4.5 release is more or less stable. (it still crashes from time to
> time but not that often).

    I think my netscape problem is solved, I installed ports/linux_lib and
www/linux_netscape, and so far its working well, even after trying to crash it.

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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Luke]

On 28-Jan-99 Ollivier Robert wrote:
> According to Luke:
>> linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]
> 
> The standard sysinstall has been making a link into /usr/compat for months
> if not years :-)

Some people haven't used sysinstall for years :>

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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Ollivier Robert]

According to Luke:
> This is 4.5b1 communicator, and locks up X often enough I dont use it.

Beta versions of 4.5 were bad (in that case b2 was far worse than b1)
whereas 4.5 release is more or less stable. (it still crashes from time to
time but not that often).
 
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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Ollivier Robert]

According to Luke:
> linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]

The standard sysinstall has been making a link into /usr/compat for months
if not years :-)


revision 1.193
date: 1997/07/16 11:45:48;  author: jkh;  state: Exp;  lines: +5 -1
ln /compat to /usr/compat on initial installation; this will
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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Mike Smith]

>  * From: Luke 
> 
>  * linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]
> 
> You can put it anywhere and symlink to it, like sysinstall does now,
> but it has to be called "/compat" (or some other well-known place)
> because of the implementation.  The string "/compat/linux" has to be
> hardcoded in the linux emulator binary.  (If we move it to
> "/usr/local/compat", people who use LOCALBASE other than "/usr/local"
> will be screwed, etc.)
> 
> I know, I tried to change it before until I realized that it's not
> that easy.

Install it in $PREFIX/compat and then make a symlink from /compat to 
${PREFIX}/compat.  This only fails if you then install the SVR4 stuff 
with a different ${PREFIX}, which will screw you anyway. 8)

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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Satoshi Asami]

 * From: Luke 

 * linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]

You can put it anywhere and symlink to it, like sysinstall does now,
but it has to be called "/compat" (or some other well-known place)
because of the implementation.  The string "/compat/linux" has to be
hardcoded in the linux emulator binary.  (If we move it to
"/usr/local/compat", people who use LOCALBASE other than "/usr/local"
will be screwed, etc.)

I know, I tried to change it before until I realized that it's not
that easy.

Satoshi

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Kris Kennaway]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Luke wrote:

> > I wrote a port for Linux Netscape if anyone wants it. I sent it in but it
> > came back to me with some comments about netscape port proliferation.
> 
> I tried that one but it wants linux_lib installed on /compat and 
> theres
> no room. Do you know if its ok to make /compat a link to somewhere else for 
> the
> linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]

I have my /compat symlinked to /usr/compat with no problems. The root
filesystem does seem like not the best place to put it by default.

Kris

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Whats VM_STACK (was Re: Netscape | Mozilla)

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 12:35:09PM -0500, Luke wrote:

> what is this VM_STACK option?

Its some new code to manage "autogrow" stacks.  The existing (old) code
made a process stack autogrow.  But, its useful to be able to create
additional autogrow memory regions to use as thread stacks in threaded
programs.  The additional code does this, and uses the same code to
manage the process stack.  

Its been around for a month or so, hidden behind the VM_STACK option
(ie. you had to add -DVM_STACK when compiling kernel/world).  The idea
was that if it works, the option would be removed and the code made
permanent.  For i386 machines, the "option" was made the default about
2 days ago for -current, and was made the default for 3.X today.

You can still pull it out if you have problems, as its still mostly
hidden behind the VM_STACK defines.  -DVM_STACK is now just turned
on by default.  As soon as it gets more testing on alpha machines,
and if it seems to continue to work elsewhere, and if there's no
great objection, its likely to become permanent.

mmap(2) has some more information (if your sources are very current).

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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Jake]

> Should not harm anything. I have linked /compat/linux to /home/linux
> (home is on its own filesystem), since my / is quite limited
> in space.
> 
> No problems (and I don't really know why it should cause any).

h24-64-221-247# ls -al /compat
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  11 Oct 22 05:47 /compat -> /usr/compat
h24-64-221-247#

I thought this was automatic, like /home ?
I'm pretty sure I've had to do it by hand in the past, but maybe six months 
ago
I started over with some 3.0-SNAP, expected to have to go make that link, 
and found it was already there.  go figure.

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[System administration]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Luke wrote:

> I tried that one but it wants linux_lib installed on /compat and 
> theres
> no room. Do you know if its ok to make /compat a link to somewhere else for 
> the
> linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]

Should not harm anything. I have linked /compat/linux to /home/linux
(home is on its own filesystem), since my / is quite limited
in space.

No problems (and I don't really know why it should cause any).

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Re: Netscape | Mozilla

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 02:20:32PM -0500, Luke wrote:

> I tried that one but it wants linux_lib installed on /compat and 
> theres
> no room. Do you know if its ok to make /compat a link to somewhere else for 
> the
> linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]

I have /compat symlinked to another partition.  As long as its mounted
before you need anything in /compat you should be fine.  At least here,
thats no problem, and I turn on linux in /etc/rc.conf.

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Brian Feldman]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Luke wrote:

> > I wrote a port for Linux Netscape if anyone wants it. I sent it in but it
> > came back to me with some comments about netscape port proliferation.
> 
> I tried that one but it wants linux_lib installed on /compat and 
> theres
> no room. Do you know if its ok to make /compat a link to somewhere else for 
> the
> linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]

Yep, it's alright! I've been doing that for many months. It's installed into /
because it's a "core"ish thing.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 11:04:22AM -0800, Parag Patel wrote:
> 
> Just another data point.  I just updated my 2xPII/300 system to 
> 4.0-CURRENT last night (Tues Jan 26), and I'm running Netscape 4.5 just 
> fine - no crashes od any odd behavior at all.  VM_STACK is defined, I 
> have 256Mb RAM, and 256Mb swap (which is currently untouched since the 
> reboot) striped across 2 disks.  A make -j8 buildworld also succeeded 
> early this morning at about 5am.  Softupdates is turned on for all 
> disks and all partitions except /tmp which is async mfs.

In private mail, Brian Feldman has indicated his problem was NOT
the VM_STACK option, but was another configuration problem that
he since fixed.

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Luke]

> I wrote a port for Linux Netscape if anyone wants it. I sent it in but it
> came back to me with some comments about netscape port proliferation.

I tried that one but it wants linux_lib installed on /compat and theres
no room. Do you know if its ok to make /compat a link to somewhere else for the
linux_lib port. [why does it install into / anyways]
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Parag Patel]

Just another data point.  I just updated my 2xPII/300 system to 
4.0-CURRENT last night (Tues Jan 26), and I'm running Netscape 4.5 just 
fine - no crashes od any odd behavior at all.  VM_STACK is defined, I 
have 256Mb RAM, and 256Mb swap (which is currently untouched since the 
reboot) striped across 2 disks.  A make -j8 buildworld also succeeded 
early this morning at about 5am.  Softupdates is turned on for all 
disks and all partitions except /tmp which is async mfs.


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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Jason C. Wells]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Jason C. Wells wrote:

>On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>
>>This I can answer - all versions of netscape are aout, (I've
>>just been looking for an elf netscape so that I can throw away my aout
>>libraries which are being carried around only for netscape nowadays).
>
>I wrote a port for Linux Netscape if anyone wants it. I sent it in but it
>came back to me with some comments about netscape port proliferation.

Er Linux-Netscape 4.5 that is.

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Jason C. Wells]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:

>This I can answer - all versions of netscape are aout, (I've
>just been looking for an elf netscape so that I can throw away my aout
>libraries which are being carried around only for netscape nowadays).

I wrote a port for Linux Netscape if anyone wants it. I sent it in but it
came back to me with some comments about netscape port proliferation.

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Luke]

> Also, anyone even bothered to file the communicator 4.5 binary?

Hopefully this helps [4.0-current -DNOSECURE -O2 -pipe]

Netscape: FreeBSD/i386 compact demand paged dynamically linked executable
This is 4.5b1 communicator, and locks up X often enough I dont use it.

netscape.bin: unknown pure executable
This is a 3.x version and doesnt lock up X but can't view alot of pages properly
It does crash occasionally , but just coredumps.

I have a 1990429 mozilla built but it was built on 3.0 and doesnt work very
well, I am trying to build a new one.

> Matt or others might want to slap me for being way off but afaik the VM
> stuff was tied with the swapping and not paging. So this would mean that
> the VM_STACK cannot be the problem.

what is this VM_STACK option?

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On 27-Jan-99 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> On 27-Jan-99 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

>> Might the old communicator still being tied to a.out?
> 
> This I can answer - all versions of netscape are aout, (I've
> just been looking for an elf netscape so that I can throw away my aout
> libraries which are being carried around only for netscape nowadays).

OK, thanks. Now to see where that places netscape into the whole...

We aren't building a.out ld's ever since e-day (ELF-day), so the problem
had to be present before that time. Comments?

*ponders deeply*

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RE: Netscape | Mozilla

[Steve O'Hara-Smith]

On 27-Jan-99 Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> OK,
> 
> just to re-organise something here:
> 
> Might the old communicator still being tied to a.out?

This I can answer - all versions of netscape are aout, (I've
just been looking for an elf netscape so that I can throw away my aout
libraries which are being carried around only for netscape nowadays).
 
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Netscape | Mozilla

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

OK,

just to re-organise something here:

Some people are referring to Netscape (Navigator | Communicator)
whereas others are referring to Mozilla (from www.mozilla.org)

I think this makes a ton of differences.

Also, anyone even bothered to file the communicator 4.5 binary?

[r...@daemon] (27) # file /usr/local/netscape-4.5/communicator-4.5.bin 
/usr/local/netscape-4.5/communicator-4.5.bin: FreeBSD/i386 compact demand
paged dynamically linked executable

Matt or others might want to slap me for being way off but afaik the VM
stuff was tied with the swapping and not paging. So this would mean that
the VM_STACK cannot be the problem.

Might the old communicator still being tied to a.out?

Questions and no real answers =\

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Brian Feldman]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:20:14AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> > > 
> > > I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
> > > Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
> > > problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
> > > don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.
> > > 
> > > So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
> > > be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
> > > this problem?"
> > > 
> > > Ciao,
> > > Sheldon.
> > 
> > If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
> > -DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
> > install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at 
> > least
> > on startup...
> 
> Anything is possible.  FWIW, though, I've been running with -DVM_STACK 
> enabled for over a month, and I use Netscape 4.5 everyday, and never had 
> a problem.  


Netscape 4.08 here, never had VM_STACK being used before most recent kernel.
I booted with a new kernel to find out netscape sig11d on start-up. Then I
booted /kernel.old and Netscape worked fine. So I booted a brand-new kernel
without VM_STACK and Netscape runs. Go figure? :) The old kernel had not
VM_STACK. Anyhoo, I'm making world in hopes of getting rid of that damned ps
error.

> 
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:02:31AM -0600, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote:
> > If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
> > -DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
> > install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at 
> > least
> > on startup...
> 
> Anything is possible.  FWIW, though, I've been running with -DVM_STACK 
> enabled for over a month, and I use Netscape 4.5 everyday, and never had 
> a problem.  

One other thing...  -DVM_STACK has been the "default" for only about 36
hours now.  

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Richard Seaman, Jr.]

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:20:14AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> > 
> > I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
> > Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
> > problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
> > don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.
> > 
> > So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
> > be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
> > this problem?"
> > 
> > Ciao,
> > Sheldon.
> 
> If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
> -DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
> install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at least
> on startup...

Anything is possible.  FWIW, though, I've been running with -DVM_STACK 
enabled for over a month, and I use Netscape 4.5 everyday, and never had 
a problem.  

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Brian Feldman]

On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:46:18 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> 
> > Yer kidding right? A program that _needs_ 100 MB or more? Surely yer
> > kidding... I haven't seen a program in normal corporate/home use that
> > justifies the memory usage of 100 MB or more including NetScape's
> > Navigator/Communicator.
> 
> You haven't had to provide an ISP-grade news or proxy service yet, have
> you? :-)
> 
> Ignoring that comment, since I assume you meant "I haven't seen an
> end-user application in...", it _is_ conceivable that the way Netscape
> keeps track of its cache _does_ mean an inevitable requirement for
> enormous amounts of memory.
> 
> I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
> Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
> problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
> don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.
> 
> So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
> be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
> this problem?"
> 
> Ciao,
> Sheldon.

If you have Netscape problems, it would be worthwhile to try removing
-DVM_STACK from src/sys/compile/BLAH/Makefile and doing a make clean all
install. I am pretty certain this is the cause of Netscape crashing, at least
on startup...

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Sheldon Hearn]

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:46:18 +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

> Yer kidding right? A program that _needs_ 100 MB or more? Surely yer
> kidding... I haven't seen a program in normal corporate/home use that
> justifies the memory usage of 100 MB or more including NetScape's
> Navigator/Communicator.

You haven't had to provide an ISP-grade news or proxy service yet, have
you? :-)

Ignoring that comment, since I assume you meant "I haven't seen an
end-user application in...", it _is_ conceivable that the way Netscape
keeps track of its cache _does_ mean an inevitable requirement for
enormous amounts of memory.

I still don't think we're getting any closer to the question "Why is
Netscape unstable on CURRENT when it worked fine for me on STABLE?" The
problem seems to be that those who know enough to offer a useful answer
don't seem to be seeing the instability reported.

So if this thread isn't going to be dropped, the focus should probably
be shifted to "What information should we request from people who have
this problem?"

Ciao,
Sheldon.

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RE: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[paul]

> -Original Message-
> From: Reginald S. Perry [mailto:pe...@zso.dec.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:35 AM
> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai
> Cc: Andrew Gordon; curr...@freebsd.org; Matthew Dillon
> Subject: Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system 
> 
> 
> I have been having these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5
> running. I may have exacerbated it when I installed the linux
> realplayer and macromedia flash plugins. 
> 
> I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I 
> have just 
> this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a vt220
> which I could set up if that would help.
> 
> The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
> cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
> work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I 
> would need 
> to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach my
> dmesg output.
> 

I've had the problem recently and in the past where the system locks up
completely and a lot of the time the speaker starts a continuous beep.
Locks up solid, requires a power-cycle.

It's not a new problem, it used to happen a lot on my dual processor box
and I've had it happen a few time this week on my single processor dev
box. The hardware is very different on both boxes and compared to yours
so the cause must be somewhere fairly generic.

I *think* Netscape was in use every time but I can't see how netscape
itself can be directly responsible for a system lockup, it must be
tickling some interrupt problem.

Paul.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Alfred Perlstein]

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Reginald S. Perry wrote:

> I have been having these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5
> running. I may have exacerbated it when I installed the linux
> realplayer and macromedia flash plugins. 
> 
> I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I have just 
> this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a vt220
> which I could set up if that would help.
> 
> The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
> cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
> work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I would need 
> to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach my
> dmesg output.
> 
> -Reggie
>

options DDB
options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER   #a BREAK on a comconsole goes to
options INVARIANTS
options INVARIANT_SUPPORT
   
device  sio0at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr
device  sio1at isa? port "IO_COM2" flags 0x30 tty irq 3 vector siointr
  
 
my 'sio2' is setup with special flags to make it always be the consol.
look in lint for more hints.

when the machine locks:
send a break:
if on vt220: F5
using tip/cu:~%

take a look at 'ps' and copy it down to see what's up.

you may also want to enable crash dumps, look in rc.conf and set
your 'dumpdevice' to your swap partition.  then you can type 'panic'
and get a core image of the system to look at.

on the next reboot you can 'kdb' the kernel and then type 'bt' to
get a backtrace.

i have a vt320 for vanity purposes :), but i suggest you use a
serial line into an xterm on another box if you can, ddb isn't the
nicest interface and being able to cut and paste in and out of ddb
in an xterm is nice.

-Alfred


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Reginald S. Perry]

I have been having these X lockups with the linux netscape 4.5
running. I may have exacerbated it when I installed the linux
realplayer and macromedia flash plugins. 

I would like to have a methodology to help debug this, but I have just 
this one system to use as the debug system. I do also have a vt220
which I could set up if that would help.

The key here is that for me it locks the system up completely. I
cannot telnet in remotely and the ctrl-alt-esc key sequence does not
work so its unclear to me how to debug this. Tell me what I would need 
to help debug it, and I will try to be of some help. Ill attach my
dmesg output.

-Reggie

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>"Asmodai" == Asmodai   writes:

> On 26-Jan-99 Andrew Gordon wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Matthew
> Dillon wrote:
>> :One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default
>> :datasize
>> :limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.
> With
>>
>> I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a
>> year and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X
>> session ( or machine ) cra

Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai]

On 26-Jan-99 Andrew Gordon wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote:
>> :One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default
>> :datasize
>> :limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
>> 
>> I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a
>> year and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X
>> session ( or machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the
>> netscape window open all the time, though... I tend to exit
>> out of it when I'm not using it.

This would indicate that it might have to do then with prolonged exposure
to memory and the memory-system(s) (swap, paging). Is there anyway to
monitor the syscalls and the amount of memory used and released by each
call Matt? Hope ye see where I'm getting at...

> 1) I'm not sure I would necesarily accuse Netscape of having a leak:
>what with caching pages in RAM and the allocation policy of whatever
>malloc they use, maybe it really needs this much and would stabilise
>at some size of 100M+ - I just don't have the swap space to find out.

Yer kidding right? A program that _needs_ 100 MB or more? Surely yer
kidding... I haven't seen a program in normal corporate/home use that
justifies the memory usage of 100 MB or more including NetScape's
Navigator/Communicator.
 
> 2) I have never seen a system crash as such.  However, having the X
> server killed due to out-of-swap leaves the console fouled up and so
> could easily be mis-described as a crash.

I wonder if X could be the originator of the problems, my guess is it can't
since Linux uses the same X and I haven't heard any complaints from that
corner.

Also it's nice that the program dumps core, but afaik without debug symbols
it's not much use.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Eugeny Kuzakov]

Вы писали: 
> Nate Williams writes:
>> > I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
>> > ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
>> > /usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
>> > using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
>> > had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
>> > your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
>> > "as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
>> > wonder why?
>> I'm running 2.2-stable, so maybe that's a difference.
> Me too... (I get crashes running Java)
And me too..
Now netscape(with java too...) works for me, but after disabling splash...
I can not understand it...
I cvsuped&rebuilded system at 25-jan-1999..

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Forrest Aldrich]

My setup is about the same.  I just modified all my login.conf
defaults to be unlimited/infinity.  Still the same crappy core dumps.


Forrest

On Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 08:47:29PM -0500, Luke wrote:
> > Aha! That figures.
> > 
> > Since I upgraded to CURRENT, with its login.conf which defaults to
> > unlimited resources, my frequent netscape core dumps have gone away.
> > 
> > I hadn't realized why until now.
> > 
> > Suggestion: wwhen people complain about Netscape, ask them to mail us
> > back the output of ``ulimit -a''.
> > 
> My login.conf has unlimited for everything for myself and netscape 
> still
> crashes/locks up. And I have 64M/175swap so I dont think its running out of
> memory.
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Luke]

> Aha! That figures.
> 
> Since I upgraded to CURRENT, with its login.conf which defaults to
> unlimited resources, my frequent netscape core dumps have gone away.
> 
> I hadn't realized why until now.
> 
> Suggestion: wwhen people complain about Netscape, ask them to mail us
> back the output of ``ulimit -a''.
> 
My login.conf has unlimited for everything for myself and netscape still
crashes/locks up. And I have 64M/175swap so I dont think its running out of
memory.
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Andrew Gordon]

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> :One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default datasize
> :limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
> 
> I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a year
> and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X session ( or
> machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the netscape window open
> all the time, though... I tend to exit out of it when I'm not using it.
> 
>   -Matt
>   Matthew Dillon 
>   

Just to clarify:

1) I'm not sure I would necesarily accuse Netscape of having a leak:
   what with caching pages in RAM and the allocation policy of whatever
   malloc they use, maybe it really needs this much and would stabilise
   at some size of 100M+ - I just don't have the swap space to find out.

2) I have never seen a system crash as such.  However, having the X server
   killed due to out-of-swap leaves the console fouled up and so could
   easily be mis-described as a crash.



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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Matthew Dillon]

:One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default datasize
:limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
:datasize unlimited, Netscape eats all the available swap (this system is
:64M real 128M swap) and kills the system that way.  I currently run
:Netscape with datasize set to 64M, pending a new disc for more swap!  In
:this configuration, Netscape either coredumps or starts behavhing oddly
:about once every 3 days, but at least I can just restart it rather than
:needing to reboot after a swap outage.
:
:Colour depth also has an effect - changing from 8-bit to 32-bit on the X
:server seems to have made this worse (as you might expect).

I've been using netscape on a 24bit color system for well over a year
and have never had a serious memory leak problem or X session ( or
machine ) crashing due to it.  I don't leave the netscape window open
all the time, though... I tend to exit out of it when I'm not using it.

-Matt
Matthew Dillon 



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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Sheldon Hearn]

On Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:28:10 GMT, Andrew Gordon wrote:

> One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default
> datasize limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very
> frequently.

Aha! That figures.

Since I upgraded to CURRENT, with its login.conf which defaults to
unlimited resources, my frequent netscape core dumps have gone away.

I hadn't realized why until now.

Suggestion: wwhen people complain about Netscape, ask them to mail us
back the output of ``ulimit -a''.

Thanks,
Sheldon.

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Archie Cobbs]

Nate Williams writes:
> > I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
> > ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
> > /usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
> > using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
> > had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
> > your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
> > "as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
> > wonder why?
> 
> I'm running 2.2-stable, so maybe that's a difference.

Me too... (I get crashes running Java)

-Archie

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Andrew Gordon]

On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> my system so much as once.
> 
> Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

One variable may be available memory.  On my system, with default datasize
limit of 16M from login.conf, Netscape coredumps very frequently.  With
datasize unlimited, Netscape eats all the available swap (this system is
64M real 128M swap) and kills the system that way.  I currently run
Netscape with datasize set to 64M, pending a new disc for more swap!  In
this configuration, Netscape either coredumps or starts behavhing oddly
about once every 3 days, but at least I can just restart it rather than
needing to reboot after a swap outage.

Colour depth also has an effect - changing from 8-bit to 32-bit on the X
server seems to have made this worse (as you might expect).


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Forrest Aldrich]

I've a feeling that somewhere there is a memory
problem.  Netscape-specific perhaps, but I suspect
otherwise due to what I've seen.

For example:  the one machine that I have which 
will constantly dump core when Netscape is run
is an HP Vectra.  I've tried 3.0, 2.2.8, all current
patches, etc.  Core dump.  Yet when I loaded Linux,
it worked without incident.  

I have not yet tried Linux emulation, but will give
it a shot.

I suspected that perhaps the netscape binary needed
to be recompiled against a current system.  Why?
System calls are updated, etc.   There might be
something really funky going on.  The fact that it's
stripped of debugging symbols doesn't help much --
but perhaps someone more adept at debugging might
take a moment to look into it.


Forrest


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Amancio Hasty]

I think this is the first step to show the bug . The next step is to
pray that the netscape developer is listening so he can fix it . 
I think is odd that the bug  doesn't happen with the linux version
of netscape.



Cheers,
Amancio

> On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 04:21:16PM -0800, Amancio Hasty 
>  wrote:
> 
> > http://www.developer.com/experts/expertspanel.html
> > 
> > click on Bar's Guide to the the Interactive Fiction and after
> > the page finishes loading click "Back" on Netscape's tool bar.
> > 
> > Instant core -dump.
> 
> You are right. I'm running previously called 3.0-CURRENT and Netscape 
> Navigator 4.5. Sources are from Dec.29 1998. Also I'm getting 
> coredumps when loading a huge page containing tables(table) and then 
> using "back". It always crashes when going back, not on initial 
> loading. Why ?
> 
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Vallo Kallaste]

On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 04:21:16PM -0800, Amancio Hasty 
 wrote:

> http://www.developer.com/experts/expertspanel.html
> 
> click on Bar's Guide to the the Interactive Fiction and after
> the page finishes loading click "Back" on Netscape's tool bar.
> 
> Instant core -dump.

You are right. I'm running previously called 3.0-CURRENT and Netscape 
Navigator 4.5. Sources are from Dec.29 1998. Also I'm getting 
coredumps when loading a huge page containing tables(table) and then 
using "back". It always crashes when going back, not on initial 
loading. Why ?

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Nate Williams]

> > > > I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> > > > myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> > > > ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> > > > still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> > > > my system so much as once.
> > > >
> > > > Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?
> > >
> > > Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
> > > until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
> > > Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.
> >
> > Agreed.  However, I disabled Java, and I can also get death anytime I
> > try to download a file using netscape.  Not fun.
> 
> I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
> ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
> /usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
> using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
> had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
> your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
> "as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
> wonder why?

I'm running 2.2-stable, so maybe that's a difference.


Nate

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Edwin Culp]

Nate Williams wrote:

> > > I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> > > myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> > > ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> > > still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> > > my system so much as once.
> > >
> > > Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?
> >
> > Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
> > until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
> > Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.
>
> Agreed.  However, I disabled Java, and I can also get death anytime I
> try to download a file using netscape.  Not fun.
>
> In the interim I'm back to using 3.07, which is rock-solid but doesn't
> support all of the java that I'd like it to. ;(
>
> Nate
>

I am current as of today 4.0, I have communicator 4.5 downloaded some time
ago (November more or less) directly from netscape and installed in
/usr/local/netscape with a link to /usr/local/bin/netscape and I have been
using it all day with no problems.  My intranet if full of java and haven't
had a problem, knock on wood:-) I just downloaded a 9M file after reading
your mail to see if that would cause a problem and it didn't.  Netscape is
"as stable as ever" on FreeBSD Current 4.0 for me.  That bothers me:-) I
wonder why?

ed



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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Nate Williams]

> > I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> > myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> > ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> > still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> > my system so much as once.
> > 
> > Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?
> 
> Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
> until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
> Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.

Agreed.  However, I disabled Java, and I can also get death anytime I
try to download a file using netscape.  Not fun.

In the interim I'm back to using 3.07, which is rock-solid but doesn't
support all of the java that I'd like it to. ;(


Nate

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Amancio Hasty]

http://www.developer.com/experts/expertspanel.html

click on Bar's Guide to the the Interactive Fiction and after
the page finishes loading click "Back" on Netscape's tool bar.

Instant core -dump.

Amancio


   


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Archie Cobbs]

Jordan K. Hubbard writes:
> I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> my system so much as once.
> 
> Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

Do you ever run Java applets? Netscape 4.5 seems to work fine
until running Java, which kicks off some sort of time bomb.
Death is not immediate, but it is guaranteed.

-Archie

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[sthaug]

> I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
> myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
> ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
> still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
> my system so much as once.
> 
> Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

On my system, running the FreeBSD 4.0[678] or 4.5 version, the setting
of MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS makes a noticeable difference.

With MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS turned off, Netscape uses normal name lookup
inside the netscape process itself. In 2.2.[78] this worked fine, in
3.0 I get frequent hangs if the name lookups take "too long". I can
avoid the hangs if I make sure that the name to IP address is in my
local name server cache (for instance by doing a manual nslookup or
similar on the name). This is of course rather cumbersome.

With MOZILLA_NO_ASYNC_DNS turned on, Netscape starts a separate (huge,
resource consuming) asynchronous DNS lookup daemon. But I don't get
the hangs.

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Jordan K. Hubbard]

I really don't understand the problems that everyone is having,
myself.  I've been running netscape (communicator 4.5) in -current for
ages now and just switched to 4.0 without any problems.  My netscape
still continues to function just fine and has never crashed any of
my system so much as once.

Why the wide disparity in experience, I wonder?

> On 24-Jan-99 Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> >> I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
> >> I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
> >> seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
> >> the development of Gzilla and Amaya.
> >> 
> >> Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
> >> mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
> >> begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
> >> some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...
> >> 
> >> 
> > If you are having a problem with Netscape for FreeBSD, then just try the
> > Linux version.
> 
> I was thinking of doing that, since FreeBSD can run BSDi,SCO, Linux e
tc
> binaries, [I dont have Linux emulation installed (or even looked into)] which
> one would be the best to try. It's become tiring since netscape forces hittin
g
> the reset switch. I shouldnt be complaining :) I had 3.0-RELEASE and just had
> to have that new number ..
> 
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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Luke]

On 24-Jan-99 Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
>> I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
>> I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
>> seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
>> the development of Gzilla and Amaya.
>> 
>> Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
>> mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
>> begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
>> some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...
>> 
>> 
> If you are having a problem with Netscape for FreeBSD, then just try the
> Linux version.

I was thinking of doing that, since FreeBSD can run BSDi,SCO, Linux etc
binaries, [I dont have Linux emulation installed (or even looked into)] which
one would be the best to try. It's become tiring since netscape forces hitting
the reset switch. I shouldnt be complaining :) I had 3.0-RELEASE and just had
to have that new number ..

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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Kenneth Wayne Culver]

> I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
> I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
> seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
> the development of Gzilla and Amaya.
> 
> Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
> mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
> begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
> some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...
> 
> 
If you are having a problem with Netscape for FreeBSD, then just try the
Linux version.


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Re: 4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Baby Jane Hudson]

I've given up on Netscape.  On some FreeBSD-based machines
I have, it just core dumps... on others it works.  Nobody
seems to know (or care) why, so I would suggest following
the development of Gzilla and Amaya.

Of course, it would be immensely helpful if we knew what
mysterious person within netscape provided the port to
begin with (Hey, now there's a great idea) so we might ask
some questions.  But, that's what you get for free...


On Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 03:01:38PM -0500, Luke wrote:
> I built 4.0 and after getting over the libcrypt thing it worked ok.
> But now every copy of netscape I have [5, all freebsd] 
> freezes the system, waiting, switching to ttyv* dont help. and it doesnt dump
> core or syslog anything. Im not exactly sure what info would be helpful.
> Anyways other than netscape it works great
> 
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4.0-Current, netscape halts system

[Luke]

I built 4.0 and after getting over the libcrypt thing it worked ok.
But now every copy of netscape I have [5, all freebsd] 
freezes the system, waiting, switching to ttyv* dont help. and it doesnt dump
core or syslog anything. Im not exactly sure what info would be helpful.
Anyways other than netscape it works great

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