Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Vincent Poy wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. Cool... I thought the Intel motherboards weren't that good compared to other brands.. Hrrmm... what about them would be "not good," and how would I test it? I don't know enough about SMP hardware to know what to compare, but I do know that these are working fine for us, and at the speed the cpu's are running at I'm not sure that a few percentage points difference would be noticable. Also, the serial console option got me big points with the boss, since we have all sorts of remote console stuff set up in the office and the more that can be seen while booting a troubled box the better. I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). Hmmm, what kinda fans did you use and where can one get those? Is the 300A overclocked as fast as a regular PII 450Mhz? I got the fans from the store that sold me the CPU. It's a double fan with a big heat sink in the middle. http://www.thechipmerchant.com/ should do you up. As for speed, as far as I can tell on the few benchmarks I've run, yes, it's just as fast. Some things are actually faster since the onboard cache for the 300A runs at full speed. The old celerons without cache are dogs though, even if you do overclock them. If RC5 is any indication I can do 1.2Mkeys per second when there is no other load on the system. HTH, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: Vincent Poy wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. Cool... I thought the Intel motherboards weren't that good compared to other brands.. Hrrmm... what about them would be "not good," and how would I test it? I don't know enough about SMP hardware to know what to compare, but I do know that these are working fine for us, and at the speed the cpu's are running at I'm not sure that a few percentage points difference would be noticable. Also, the serial console option got me big points with the boss, since we have all sorts of remote console stuff set up in the office and the more that can be seen while booting a troubled box the better. I am not sure about the exact problems but I remember that Rodney Grimes of FreeBSD Inc. recommended the ASUS boards over the Intel boards for a reason. How does the serial console option work exactly? I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). Hmmm, what kinda fans did you use and where can one get those? Is the 300A overclocked as fast as a regular PII 450Mhz? I got the fans from the store that sold me the CPU. It's a double fan with a big heat sink in the middle. http://www.thechipmerchant.com/ should do you up. As for speed, as far as I can tell on the few benchmarks I've run, yes, it's just as fast. Some things are actually faster since the onboard cache for the 300A runs at full speed. The old celerons without cache are dogs though, even if you do overclock them. If RC5 is any indication I can do 1.2Mkeys per second when there is no other load on the system. Cool... We're actually running a Celeron 266 that is overclocked to 400 (4.0x100Mhz) and it's fast but I wonder what level of a PII is it comparable to since it doesn't have cache. Does Chip Merchant let you specify a date for the CPU's so you don't get anything earlier than that date? Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Vincent Poy wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. Cool... I thought the Intel motherboards weren't that good compared to other brands.. Hrrmm... what about them would be not good, and how would I test it? I don't know enough about SMP hardware to know what to compare, but I do know that these are working fine for us, and at the speed the cpu's are running at I'm not sure that a few percentage points difference would be noticable. Also, the serial console option got me big points with the boss, since we have all sorts of remote console stuff set up in the office and the more that can be seen while booting a troubled box the better. I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). Hmmm, what kinda fans did you use and where can one get those? Is the 300A overclocked as fast as a regular PII 450Mhz? I got the fans from the store that sold me the CPU. It's a double fan with a big heat sink in the middle. http://www.thechipmerchant.com/ should do you up. As for speed, as far as I can tell on the few benchmarks I've run, yes, it's just as fast. Some things are actually faster since the onboard cache for the 300A runs at full speed. The old celerons without cache are dogs though, even if you do overclock them. If RC5 is any indication I can do 1.2Mkeys per second when there is no other load on the system. HTH, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Sun, 25 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: Vincent Poy wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. Cool... I thought the Intel motherboards weren't that good compared to other brands.. Hrrmm... what about them would be not good, and how would I test it? I don't know enough about SMP hardware to know what to compare, but I do know that these are working fine for us, and at the speed the cpu's are running at I'm not sure that a few percentage points difference would be noticable. Also, the serial console option got me big points with the boss, since we have all sorts of remote console stuff set up in the office and the more that can be seen while booting a troubled box the better. I am not sure about the exact problems but I remember that Rodney Grimes of FreeBSD Inc. recommended the ASUS boards over the Intel boards for a reason. How does the serial console option work exactly? I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). Hmmm, what kinda fans did you use and where can one get those? Is the 300A overclocked as fast as a regular PII 450Mhz? I got the fans from the store that sold me the CPU. It's a double fan with a big heat sink in the middle. http://www.thechipmerchant.com/ should do you up. As for speed, as far as I can tell on the few benchmarks I've run, yes, it's just as fast. Some things are actually faster since the onboard cache for the 300A runs at full speed. The old celerons without cache are dogs though, even if you do overclock them. If RC5 is any indication I can do 1.2Mkeys per second when there is no other load on the system. Cool... We're actually running a Celeron 266 that is overclocked to 400 (4.0x100Mhz) and it's fast but I wonder what level of a PII is it comparable to since it doesn't have cache. Does Chip Merchant let you specify a date for the CPU's so you don't get anything earlier than that date? Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. Alas, since Solaris doesn't overcommit... :-) /me slaps himself -- "Bad boy!" -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Your usefulness to my realm ended the day you made it off Hustaing alive." -- Sun Tzu Liao to his ex-finacee, Isis Marik To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. Alas, since Solaris doesn't overcommit... :-) This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. -- Mike Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Mike Hoskins wrote: This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. I think that would rather be a function of the memory footprint of the workload. The message said memory was increased because Solaris was overloaded with _swapping_. The load itself isn't really of much importance in this case. Since Solaris does not overcommit, it needs (much) more memory than FreeBSD would. Thus, changing to FreeBSD and upgrading the memory at the same time is sure likely to give the impressive results described. Solaris is not a bad operating system. It's just misguided. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Your usefulness to my realm ended the day you made it off Hustaing alive." -- Sun Tzu Liao to his ex-finacee, Isis Marik To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Mike Hoskins wrote: This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. I think that would rather be a function of the memory footprint of the workload. The message said memory was increased because Solaris was overloaded with _swapping_. The load itself isn't really of much importance in this case. I think there is some confusion. In case of swapping the workload (A.K.A. CPU run queue length) will be _low_. Intensive swapping/paging means overloaded I/O subsystem and underloaded CPU. If the CPU has high load then the paging does not make a big problem, it just happens in "background" and does not really affect the system performance limited by the CPU bottleneck. Well, it may also favor the CPU-intensive application and limit the I/O-intensive applications if the filesystems and swap areas are on the same disks. (Yes, I have seen both cases in the real life). Since Solaris does not overcommit, it needs (much) more memory than FreeBSD would. Thus, changing to FreeBSD and upgrading the memory at It does not. It needs more swap space configured but not the physical memory. And at the current disk prices a 9G SCSI disk configured for swap would cost under $300, so the difference is not _that_ big. Solaris is not a bad operating system. It's just misguided. :-) It's just terrible from the systems administration standpoint :-) -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. Alas, since Solaris doesn't overcommit... :-) /me slaps himself -- Bad boy! -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com d...@freebsd.org Your usefulness to my realm ended the day you made it off Hustaing alive. -- Sun Tzu Liao to his ex-finacee, Isis Marik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. Alas, since Solaris doesn't overcommit... :-) This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. -- Mike Hoskins m...@adept.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Mike Hoskins wrote: This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. I think that would rather be a function of the memory footprint of the workload. The message said memory was increased because Solaris was overloaded with _swapping_. The load itself isn't really of much importance in this case. Since Solaris does not overcommit, it needs (much) more memory than FreeBSD would. Thus, changing to FreeBSD and upgrading the memory at the same time is sure likely to give the impressive results described. Solaris is not a bad operating system. It's just misguided. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com d...@freebsd.org Your usefulness to my realm ended the day you made it off Hustaing alive. -- Sun Tzu Liao to his ex-finacee, Isis Marik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Sat, 24 Jul 1999, Mike Hoskins wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. Alas, since Solaris doesn't overcommit... :-) This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. Speaking about loads, I have a question that I can't figure out... On one of our systems which is a Pentium II 400 with the ABIT BH6 with 384 megs of RAM. Just for reference, the previous was a AMD K6-233 on a ASUS P55T2P4 with 64 Megs of RAM. It seems like whether there is a heavy load or light load, at times, when typing just w in the shell or any command or even in pine, the FreeBSD OS would just hang for like 30 seconds or so... It isn't a network issue either because I can jump around in my screen windows but just commands don't work like in real time. There is this long delay. Anyone have any ideas what can be causing this? Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Mike Hoskins wrote: This isn't a comment meant to contribute to the overcommit holy war (opinion mode: I think FreeBSD should overcommit, or at worst have a sysctl and default to overcommit - admins who don't want overcommit can then hang themselves), but we have to be a wee bit careful when throwing load averages around... I've seen FreeBSD boxes virtually unuseable with 3-4 loads, and Solaris boxes still chugging away at 5+... Perhaps 'load average' is being calculated a wee bit differently. I think that would rather be a function of the memory footprint of the workload. The message said memory was increased because Solaris was overloaded with _swapping_. The load itself isn't really of much importance in this case. I think there is some confusion. In case of swapping the workload (A.K.A. CPU run queue length) will be _low_. Intensive swapping/paging means overloaded I/O subsystem and underloaded CPU. If the CPU has high load then the paging does not make a big problem, it just happens in background and does not really affect the system performance limited by the CPU bottleneck. Well, it may also favor the CPU-intensive application and limit the I/O-intensive applications if the filesystems and swap areas are on the same disks. (Yes, I have seen both cases in the real life). Since Solaris does not overcommit, it needs (much) more memory than FreeBSD would. Thus, changing to FreeBSD and upgrading the memory at It does not. It needs more swap space configured but not the physical memory. And at the current disk prices a 9G SCSI disk configured for swap would cost under $300, so the difference is not _that_ big. Solaris is not a bad operating system. It's just misguided. :-) It's just terrible from the systems administration standpoint :-) -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I've had great results with the Tyan 1836DLUAN/Thunder 100's. I've got several boxes with 1GB of RAM and dual 450's humming along. For comparison one system with less memory and a SuperMicro board but identical system software has had a couple of wierd spontaneous reboots over the last few months. Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. The real problem was poor CGI programming. I made them fix them. Now it toodles along with ridiculously low loads. All the websites and the mysql db fit in core. ;-) That's true too Seems like FreeBSD can handle a real high load without problems... Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
As Alex Zepeda wrote ... On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that PS/2 or DIN plug, does not matter. [Un]plugging keyboards is a bad idea on a live system. I've seen keyboard fuses (on the mainboard) blown etc And that would be the most benificial of the possible breakage you can get yourself into. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands- Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) BulteWWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be odd. Yes, it is a PS/2 keyboard, but these are the only MB's that I have run into this problem with other than some AIX boxes years ago that would blow a fuse when disconnecting the keyboard from a running system. This isn't that big a problem. I only have keyboard installed while building the systems. Thereafter they are serial console only. Adrian -- [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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At 10:35 AM 7/23/99 -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be odd. Yes, it is a PS/2 keyboard, but these are the only MB's that I have run into this problem with other than some AIX boxes years ago that would blow a fuse when disconnecting the keyboard from a running system. This isn't that big a problem. I only have keyboard installed while building the systems. Thereafter they are serial console only. I've seen it on an SBC (with a KB connector on board). it IS a problem if they want to do maintanence without bringing down the system. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
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|At 10:35 AM 7/23/99 -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: |On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: | | On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: | |I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a | tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a |keyboard. | I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property | of the board. | | If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host | is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that | sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be | odd. | | Yes, it is a PS/2 keyboard, but these are the only MB's that I have |run into this problem with other than some AIX boxes years ago that would |blow a fuse when disconnecting the keyboard from a running system. | | This isn't that big a problem. I only have keyboard installed |while building the systems. Thereafter they are serial console only. | |I've seen it on an SBC (with a KB connector on board). it IS a problem if |they want to do maintanence without bringing down the system. blush I fried two P6 ASUS motherboards this way, sorta along these lines, "hmm, keyboard seems to be dead, maybe try it in this machine" Russell | |Dennis | | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] |with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message | To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
blush I fried two P6 ASUS motherboards this way, sorta along these lines, "hmm, keyboard seems to be dead, maybe try it in this machine" We did the same thing on two Asus P6 MB as well! We replaced the fuse near the keyboard and both motherboards are working perfectly now. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I've had great results with the Tyan 1836DLUAN/Thunder 100's. I've got several boxes with 1GB of RAM and dual 450's humming along. For comparison one system with less memory and a SuperMicro board but identical system software has had a couple of wierd spontaneous reboots over the last few months. Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. The real problem was poor CGI programming. I made them fix them. Now it toodles along with ridiculously low loads. All the websites and the mysql db fit in core. ;-) That's true too Seems like FreeBSD can handle a real high load without problems... Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
As Alex Zepeda wrote ... On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that PS/2 or DIN plug, does not matter. [Un]plugging keyboards is a bad idea on a live system. I've seen keyboard fuses (on the mainboard) blown etc And that would be the most benificial of the possible breakage you can get yourself into. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands- Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) BulteWWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be odd. Yes, it is a PS/2 keyboard, but these are the only MB's that I have run into this problem with other than some AIX boxes years ago that would blow a fuse when disconnecting the keyboard from a running system. This isn't that big a problem. I only have keyboard installed while building the systems. Thereafter they are serial console only. Adrian -- [ adr...@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I've had great results with the Tyan 1836DLUAN/Thunder 100's. I've got several boxes with 1GB of RAM and dual 450's humming along. For comparison one system with less memory and a SuperMicro board but identical system software has had a couple of wierd spontaneous reboots over the last few months. Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. The real problem was poor CGI programming. I made them fix them. Now it toodles along with ridiculously low loads. All the websites and the mysql db fit in core. ;-) That's true too Seems like FreeBSD can handle a real high load without problems... If you can believe it they drove the system load up to 114 with their horrible Perl CGI's. Ammazingly, I could type sudo apachectl stop and wait 30 seconds or so for it to run. 114 and I didn't need to reboot the system. I was pleasantly surprised. Adrian -- [ adr...@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
At 10:35 AM 7/23/99 -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be odd. Yes, it is a PS/2 keyboard, but these are the only MB's that I have run into this problem with other than some AIX boxes years ago that would blow a fuse when disconnecting the keyboard from a running system. This isn't that big a problem. I only have keyboard installed while building the systems. Thereafter they are serial console only. I've seen it on an SBC (with a KB connector on board). it IS a problem if they want to do maintanence without bringing down the system. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
|At 10:35 AM 7/23/99 -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: |On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: | | On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: | |I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a | tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a |keyboard. | I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property | of the board. | | If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host | is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that | sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be | odd. | | Yes, it is a PS/2 keyboard, but these are the only MB's that I have |run into this problem with other than some AIX boxes years ago that would |blow a fuse when disconnecting the keyboard from a running system. | | This isn't that big a problem. I only have keyboard installed |while building the systems. Thereafter they are serial console only. | |I've seen it on an SBC (with a KB connector on board). it IS a problem if |they want to do maintanence without bringing down the system. blush I fried two P6 ASUS motherboards this way, sorta along these lines, hmm, keyboard seems to be dead, maybe try it in this machine Russell | |Dennis | | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org |with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
blush I fried two P6 ASUS motherboards this way, sorta along these lines, hmm, keyboard seems to be dead, maybe try it in this machine We did the same thing on two Asus P6 MB as well! We replaced the fuse near the keyboard and both motherboards are working perfectly now. Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. My home box based Abit BX6 rev.2.0 Slot1 i use PPGA Celeron-300A with Socket370-Slot1 bridge overclocked to 450 (100x4.5) with Pelitier element. This motherboard support PII/PIII. More overclockers says: Abit better then Asus. I think it right. All works fine. Rgdz, Sergey Osokin aka oZZ, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freebsd.org.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, [KOI8-R] óÅÒÇÅÊ ïÓÏËÉÎ wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. My home box based Abit BX6 rev.2.0 Slot1 i use PPGA Celeron-300A with Socket370-Slot1 bridge overclocked to 450 (100x4.5) with Pelitier element. This motherboard support PII/PIII. More overclockers says: Abit better then Asus. I think it right. All works fine. Pretty interesting... The Pelitier element is pretty expensive I think... It seems like I've seen more Abit than ASUS Boards when it's a FreeBSD box. We have a 266 running at 400 (100x4) but I don't know which Pentium II would it be the closest to since this is a cacheless chip. It has 384 megs of ram and one thing I can't figure out is that the machine will sometimes pause for a few seconds when I type a command... Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). HTH, Doug -- On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does. -- Will Rogers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. Cool... I thought the Intel motherboards weren't that good compared to other brands.. I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). Hmmm, what kinda fans did you use and where can one get those? Is the 300A overclocked as fast as a regular PII 450Mhz? Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
In reply: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. This is probably more appropriate for -hardware or even just -chat.. but anyway, I'll second that recommendation. I've found the ASUS P2B series to be very solid. I've also used many ATrend BX boards for Winblows95 boxes (simply because they were cheaper than the ASUS boards), and haven't had a bit of trouble with them. YMMV. -- Chris Dillon - cdil...@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdil...@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data. don't leave out the tyan thunder2 and thunder100 boards. the only problem i even know of with the thunder2 is the sound chip still isn't recognized, and the id codes pnp returns on the sound chip may differ from board to board [others claim it works for them, but not here]. i have heard of no problems with the thunder100 board. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you| I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered! - #1, The Prisoner -- Inet: jbry...@tfs.netAX.25: kc5...@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant -- HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. My home box based Abit BX6 rev.2.0 Slot1 i use PPGA Celeron-300A with Socket370-Slot1 bridge overclocked to 450 (100x4.5) with Pelitier element. This motherboard support PII/PIII. More overclockers says: Abit better then Asus. I think it right. All works fine. Rgdz, Sergey Osokin aka oZZ, o...@etrust.ru http://www.freebsd.org.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, [KOI8-R] ?? ?? wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. My home box based Abit BX6 rev.2.0 Slot1 i use PPGA Celeron-300A with Socket370-Slot1 bridge overclocked to 450 (100x4.5) with Pelitier element. This motherboard support PII/PIII. More overclockers says: Abit better then Asus. I think it right. All works fine. Pretty interesting... The Pelitier element is pretty expensive I think... It seems like I've seen more Abit than ASUS Boards when it's a FreeBSD box. We have a 266 running at 400 (100x4) but I don't know which Pentium II would it be the closest to since this is a cacheless chip. It has 384 megs of ram and one thing I can't figure out is that the machine will sometimes pause for a few seconds when I type a command... Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. I've had great results with the Tyan 1836DLUAN/Thunder 100's. I've got several boxes with 1GB of RAM and dual 450's humming along. For comparison one system with less memory and a SuperMicro board but identical system software has had a couple of wierd spontaneous reboots over the last few months. Adrian -- [ adr...@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. I haven't seen anyone use a ASUS PII board but it seems like everyone is using ABIT boards for some reason for FreeBSD. I have a ASUS XP55T2P4 w/P233MMX on it and 128 megs of ram and while it works fine in FreeBSD... It seems to act weird in Windows95. I have some EIDE Mode 3 and mode 2 drives in the system and with the BIOS setting of PIO mode Auto, it works fine until I added the Maxtor Mode 4 HDD. This is when defining everything as auto would start up win95 half way and say things are corrupted so I had to manually set it to mode 3, 3, 2, 2 before things worked. And then the funny thing is that even with the 400Watt PC Power Cooling Power Supply, in Win95, at certain times, when I click on something, it's like the machine did a hard reset Seems like the board works better with FreeBSD than Win95. I've had great results with the Tyan 1836DLUAN/Thunder 100's. I've got several boxes with 1GB of RAM and dual 450's humming along. For comparison one system with less memory and a SuperMicro board but identical system software has had a couple of wierd spontaneous reboots over the last few months. Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). HTH, Doug -- On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does. -- Will Rogers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Doug wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. At work we're having good results with an Intel N440BX motherboard. It's a dual cpu board, running 2 PIII 500's like a champ. It also has the ability to redirect all console output (like boot/bios messages, etc.) to a serial console. It comes with a built in Etherexpress Pro 100+ as well. Cool... I thought the Intel motherboards weren't that good compared to other brands.. I have an Asus P2B at home that I've run my Celeron 300A overclocked to 450 since the first of the year with no problems (and BIG fans). Hmmm, what kinda fans did you use and where can one get those? Is the 300A overclocked as fast as a regular PII 450Mhz? Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I've had great results with the Tyan 1836DLUAN/Thunder 100's. I've got several boxes with 1GB of RAM and dual 450's humming along. For comparison one system with less memory and a SuperMicro board but identical system software has had a couple of wierd spontaneous reboots over the last few months. Cool... Is 1GB of ram really needed? We used to run a 64 meg system then 128 meg and then 384 meg, it doesn't seem to do much even for a heavily loaded ISP Server. Not really. The customer whose box this is chose this much memory because his previous server was a 256MB UltraSparc that was swamped all the time with a load of 6 to 7. The real problem was poor CGI programming. I made them fix them. Now it toodles along with ridiculously low loads. All the websites and the mysql db fit in core. ;-) Adrian -- [ adr...@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: I know a lot of people like the ASUS P2B boards, but I've noticed a tendency for the systems to reset occasionally when plugging in a keyboard. I've seen this with both FreeBSD and NT, so I'm considering it a property of the board. If this is a PS/2 style keyboard, don't plug and unplug them when the host is powered up. The PS/2 style stuf seems to be very sensitive to that sort of thing. If it was a USB keyboard doing that... then that would be odd. - alex You wear guilt, like shackles on your feet, Like a halo in reverse - Depeche Mode To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: Hmmm, we're using the ABIT BH-6 but that's all because we got the board for free so we can't complain... Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. This is probably more appropriate for -hardware or even just -chat.. but anyway, I'll second that recommendation. I've found the ASUS P2B series to be very solid. I've also used many ATrend BX boards for Winblows95 boxes (simply because they were cheaper than the ASUS boards), and haven't had a bit of trouble with them. YMMV. -- Chris Dillon - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) "One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data." To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
In reply: On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. This is probably more appropriate for -hardware or even just -chat.. but anyway, I'll second that recommendation. I've found the ASUS P2B series to be very solid. I've also used many ATrend BX boards for Winblows95 boxes (simply because they were cheaper than the ASUS boards), and haven't had a bit of trouble with them. YMMV. -- Chris Dillon - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) "One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data." don't leave out the tyan thunder2 and thunder100 boards. the only problem i even know of with the thunder2 is the sound chip still isn't recognized, and the id codes pnp returns on the sound chip may differ from board to board [others claim it works for them, but not here]. i have heard of no problems with the thunder100 board. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you| "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" -- Inet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant -- HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: Hmmm, we're using the ABIT BH-6 but that's all because we got the board for free so we can't complain... Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Vincent Poy wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
I hope this helps. I'm running version 3.1 on ASUS Pentium III double processor. Just a Rocket! No problems at all on the installation all the SCSI ports were recognizedmy entire machine cost me 2000 USD...similar one of a famous brabd...at least 6,000 JB At 05:26 PM 21/07/99 -0700, you wrote: Greetings everyone, What are the current good motherboards for FreeBSD for the pentium II and III? I know on the Pentium, it was the ASUS board but for the PII/PIII, is the Abit the better board? Also, I was wondering what is the fastest Celeron chip that can be overclocked to run at 100Mhz FSB? Does it matter if it's Slot 1 or PPGA based? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vi...@mcestate.com - vi...@gaianet.net __ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: What good PII/PIII Motherboards for FreeBSD and Celeron CPU's
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Kip Macy wrote: My employer has gone through numerous motherboards, we have found the ASUS P2B (now the P2B-F) to be rock solid for Pentium II usage. This is probably more appropriate for -hardware or even just -chat.. but anyway, I'll second that recommendation. I've found the ASUS P2B series to be very solid. I've also used many ATrend BX boards for Winblows95 boxes (simply because they were cheaper than the ASUS boards), and haven't had a bit of trouble with them. YMMV. -- Chris Dillon - cdil...@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdil...@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
