Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dos386]

> and AUTOEXEC.BAT now contains:
> lh C:\FDOS\BIN\KEYB.EXE br,850

IIRC I already had suggested to empty it (except CTMOUSE) ;-)

> everything from FreeDOS also works under the MS
> kernel, and Desi-III is equally fast.

IIRC I had already suggested EDR-DOS or (DR-DOS) kernel.

Also the FAT<=16 FreeDOS kernel and minimal LASTDRIVE and minimal buffers.

> On the other hand, you could try whether you can make
> things deliberately slow with FDAPM APMDOS in MS DOS ;-).

Removing it helps or not ?

> Desi-III requires EMS memory.

It requires EMS __AND__ is low memory hoggy, a pity that such a nice
programm is compiled that a crappy way :-(





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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Alain Mouette]

dos386 escreveu:
> 
>> Desi-III requires EMS memory.
> 
> It requires EMS __AND__ is low memory hoggy, a pity that such a nice
> programm is compiled that a crappy way :-(
> 
We have to remember that at the time, this was very advanced and prety 
dificult to make. It is probably older then real 32 bit mode, and even 
that was available for only a few tools

;)
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dos386]

There is (reportedly) a FORTRAN compiler in DGJPP avaialble,
and WATCOM also supports FORTRAN.



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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Liam Proven]

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros
 wrote:
> Hi Mateusz and Liam,
>
> Thanks!

:¬) No problem.


>> (Liam)
>> You do know that the maximum legal size for a FAT16 partition is 2GB?
>
>
> Yes, I realize that each FAT16 partition can only be 2 GB. I was
> trying to have 3 partitions in the 6 GB disk.

Ahh, OK. Fair enough, that makes sense. The "legal" layout for DOS,
then, would be:

1 primary partition
1 extended partition
  \
  [logical drive][logical drive]

Don't try to create 3 primary partitions - in DOS terms, that is an
illegal layout.

> This was an attempt to avoid FAT32, because I do not know how
> reliable its recovery tools are. If they are reliable, then I
> will gladly adopt FAT32 :-)

FAT32 is actually pretty stable in my experience, but that's mainly on
Win9x/NT/Linux.

If one were running FAT32 on a DOS system, my inclination would be to
have a <512MB boot partition in FAT16, then the rest of the space as a
FAT32 drive or drives for apps and data.

For what its worth, most of my PCs tend to have a 32MB FAT16 DOS boot
partition, then Windows, Linux etc all kept in logical drives in an
extended partition. This is the most flexible "legal" arrangement -
you can have many logical drives, but only 4 primary partitions.

On the machine I'm typing on, there is:

[32MB DOS boot]
[ unformatted primary, reserved for OpenSolaris ]
[ unformatted primary, reserved for FreeBSD ]
[ extended start
  [NTFS, Win2K]
  [NTFS, Win7/64]
  [Ubuntu root]
  [Spare Linux ext3 volume]
end extended ]

With a 2nd drive reserved for data.

BSD and Solaris will not install into logical partitions, so I must
set aside primaries for them - but all versions of Linux and Windows
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Alain Mouette]

Bleah ia easy to remove:

1) boot from a freedos floppy
2) FDISK /MBR

it is in the MBR, so if you rewrite it, the virus is gone.

I had problems with Bleah in the past (sent it to some clients) and I 
got knowledge of it. BTW, it is a harmless virus...

Alain

Em 24-05-2010 19:03, Marcos Favero Florence de Barros escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> This is just to report how things evolved with regard to disk
> partitioning and formatting.
>
> I certainly learned how to do it. Thanks again to several list
> members who helped!
>
> However, the story did not end there. Disks would not work as
> expected, and corrupted files kept appearing.
>
> After formatting half a dozen disks 2-3 times each, in 3
> different computers, I suspected someting else was wrong. So I
> took the disks to a computer technician for a virus scan and,
> sure enough, they all were infected by "W32/Hybris.worm.B".
>
> The computer is working well now. However, to be extra safe, I
> also ran F-prot, and although my copy is from 2005, in one disk
> it reported something that the technician's antivirus had missed:
> Master Boot Sector: "Bleah.D". Of course I'll repartition and
> reformat that disk.
>
> In 12 years of MS-DOS plus 3 years of FreeDOS, this is the first
> time I had a virus -:(
>
> I'll use FDSHIELD for some time. Also, I downloaded CLAMAV, but
> have not been able to run it yet.
>
> In case anyone has other security recommendations, they will be
> very welcome.
>
> Marcos
>
>
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dos386]

> The HDPMI manual describes about 15 options, half of them
> cryptical to the uninitiated.

Just try them (one after other). Note than EMM386 can be an
additional source of trouble, try to disable it.

TFM of HDPMI wrote:

> 8. Known Problems / Hints

> Well, I'm doing just that: using FreeDOS. I actually
> do *my work* in FreeDOS.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

Op 4-8-2011 23:24, James Hahn schreef:
> Does anybody have any experience setting up a file server using
> Freedos?  I am just wondering if it is a workable idea.
>
> Thanks,

http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/  has a FTP server, don't know what you're 
intending to do.

http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/  lists a webserver

Microsoft's SMB Client has some update files which can make it act as an 
SMB Server instead.

On the Linux/BSD side there's FreeNAS, not sure about requirements.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[James Hahn]

I am actually running FreeNAS right now.  I really like it but I am not
happy with the filesystem it uses.  If the server dies, I can't pop one of
the hard drives into a windows box to pull the files off.  DOS is reliable,
and will run forever.  I have always loved DOS and thought it would be a fun
project.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Bernd Blaauw  wrote:

> Op 4-8-2011 23:24, James Hahn schreef:
> > Does anybody have any experience setting up a file server using
> > Freedos?  I am just wondering if it is a workable idea.
> >
> > Thanks,
>
> http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/  has a FTP server, don't know what you're
> intending to do.
>
> http://www.georgpotthast.de/sioux/  lists a webserver
>
> Microsoft's SMB Client has some update files which can make it act as an
> SMB Server instead.
>
> On the Linux/BSD side there's FreeNAS, not sure about requirements.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

Op 18-11-2011 23:10, Garrison Ricketson schreef:
> http://laurabride.com

This might be some suspicious link and/or spam, following the link 
presents an OK button which potentially isn't that healthy to people's 
Windows operating system and/or computer.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Rugxulo]

Hi,
   For me it just redirects to some Russian site trying to sell male
enhancement pills. So yeah, it's spam.

Honestly, I don't think Garrison is a spammer, he's posted on-topic
here before. Who knows, maybe he got a virus, or somebody is spoofing
him (remember the fake Aitor?).


On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Bernd Blaauw  wrote:
> Op 18-11-2011 23:10, Garrison Ricketson schreef:
>> http://laurabride.com
>
> This might be some suspicious link and/or spam, following the link
> presents an OK button which potentially isn't that healthy to people's
> Windows operating system and/or computer.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Diego Rodriguez]

hello! http://islamy.unidar.ac.id/winterpharm.html?jrtopicid=o5o5

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[TJ Edmister]

FYI this is v1agra spam. Probably sent by a malware infested PC. Curious  
combination of email addresses in the "to" field...

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

Op 1-2-2012 17:56, Manjunath ML schreef:

> I am trying to use a USB memory disk along with FreeDOS. I am a running
> a CAM software and need a facility to transfer drawings from other
> computers to the PC used to run the CAM software and USB Memory disk is
> the simplest way. Can anyone let m know if this is possible and how.

The RUFUS utility is a program you can run on Windows, it will make your 
USB Flash Drive bootable so you can start FreeDOS from USB-stick.
[ http://pete.akeo.ie/2011/12/rufus-dos-bootable-usb-formatting.html ]

Be aware it erases all current content of the USB Flash Drive, so save 
anything you'd like to keep first.

Easiest would be to have FreeDOS and the CAM software both on the USB 
drive (instead of booting DOS from harddisk then trying to get access to 
USB drive).

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dmccunney]

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Bernd Blaauw  wrote:
> Op 1-2-2012 17:56, Manjunath ML schreef:
>
>> I am trying to use a USB memory disk along with FreeDOS. I am a running
>> a CAM software and need a facility to transfer drawings from other
>> computers to the PC used to run the CAM software and USB Memory disk is
>> the simplest way. Can anyone let m know if this is possible and how.
>
> The RUFUS utility is a program you can run on Windows, it will make your
> USB Flash Drive bootable so you can start FreeDOS from USB-stick.
> [ http://pete.akeo.ie/2011/12/rufus-dos-bootable-usb-formatting.html ]

Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Mark Brown]

You can use PLoP bootmanager: it's at www.plop.at  .
 
With this installed, you can (read-only) boot from usb stick
on even the old usb 1.1 hardware, and also you can boot from
USB when the BIOS has *_no_* support for it. It's freeware.
 
If you don't want to install it to hard drive,
you can just boot from a cd burned with it,
with the same results.
 
Comprehensive instruction is on the PLoP site.
 
If you want to install it to FreeDOS, though,
you have to boot "no drivers": option 4, or any totally driverless boot.
(It doesn't agree with one or more of the memory managers.)
 
PLoP is excellent.
 
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> From: dmccunney 
>To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
>Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 1:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
>  
>On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Bernd Blaauw  wrote:
>> Op 1-2-2012 17:56, Manjunath ML schreef:
>>
>>> I am trying to use a USB memory disk along with FreeDOS. I am a running
>>> a CAM software and need a facility to transfer drawings from other
>>> computers to the PC used to run the CAM software and USB Memory disk is
>>> the simplest way. Can anyone let m know if this is possible and how.
>>
>> The RUFUS utility is a program you can run on Windows, it will make your
>> USB Flash Drive bootable so you can start FreeDOS from USB-stick.
>> [ http://pete.akeo.ie/2011/12/rufus-dos-bootable-usb-formatting.html ]
>
>Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
>on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
>BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
>no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
>drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

Op 1-2-2012 19:45, dmccunney schreef:
> Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
> on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
> BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
> no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
> drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)

Bret's USB drivers in DOS so far are written specificly for UHCI, an USB 
1.1 implementation. Other vendor-provided (usually product-related) and 
commercial implementations exist that go beyond UHCI, one such can be 
found at [ http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/ ].

Loading USB drivers from a floppydisk inside an USB floppydrive will 
likely cause a system crash though, as these USB drivers tend to hijack 
the entire USB stack, disconnecting you from any and all previous USB 
devices and their contents (either at per-controller basis or all 
USB-controllers at the same time).

One workaround is a ramdisk loaded by floppydisk, but that's pretty 
nasty to setup properly:

* create ramdisk
* find driveletter for it
* copy shell
* copy batchfile
* copy usb drivers
* switch to ramdisk
* execute copied batchfile
* don't access A: anymore till reset

The Syslinux/memdisk method is slightly easier as the ramdisk created by 
MEMDISK will then be drive A:.
Guess I should be creating such a disk soon.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

On Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM, "dmccunney"  wrote:
>
> Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
> on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
> BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
> no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
> drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)

Many BIOSes support USB sticks under DOS using "legacy emulation" or
"legacy mode", but it is possible that your BIOS is not one of these.

Kind of surprised that your BIOS doesn't support booting from USB, though.
I thought that was something every BIOS supported, and it should be
OS-independent. But maybe yours is an older machine?

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Marco Achury]

El 04/02/2012 09:45 a.m., Jim Hall escribió:
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM, "dmccunney"  > wrote:
> >
> > Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
> > on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
> > BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
> > no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
> > drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)
>
> Many BIOSes support USB sticks under DOS using "legacy emulation" or
> "legacy mode", but it is possible that your BIOS is not one of these.
>
> Kind of surprised that your BIOS doesn't support booting from USB,
> though. I thought that was something every BIOS supported, and it
> should be OS-independent. But maybe yours is an older machine?
>
> jh
>
>

I had 2 old Compaq machines (a laptop and a desktop), both pre-PIII
machines that had USB port but dont support boot from USB.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dmccunney]

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Jim Hall  wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM, "dmccunney"  wrote:
>>
>> Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
>> on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
>> BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
>> no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
>> drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)
>
> Many BIOSes support USB sticks under DOS using "legacy emulation" or "legacy
> mode", but it is possible that your BIOS is not one of these.

It's not.

> Kind of surprised that your BIOS doesn't support booting from USB, though. I
> thought that was something every BIOS supported, and it should be
> OS-independent. But maybe yours is an older machine?

Yep.  It's a Fujitsu p2110, circa 2002, with a Phoenix 4.0 Release 6
BIOS, an 867mhz Transmeta CPU (an early power saving effort), 256MB of
RAM (of which the CPU grabs 16MB off the top for code morphing), and a
40GB Fujitsu UDMA4 HD.  It has on board ATI Rage Pro Mobility graphics
with 8MB RAM, and will do 1280x768 resolution.

It was a gift from a friend who had upgraded, and has been a test bed
to see what performance I could wring out of it.  (It's possible to
increase the RAM to 384MB, but doing so would cost more than multiple
GB of DDR RAM for a modern machine.)  It came to me with a 30GB HD
booting Win XP SP2.  The giver warned it was "slow slow slow".  No
surprise, since XP wants 512MB RAM minimum to think about performing.

I swapped the original 30GB HD for a 40 from my SO's failed laptop and
repartitioned.  It quad-boots Win2K Pro SP4, Ubuntu Linux, Puppy
Linux, and FreeDOS 1.0.

Win2K performs more or less acceptably, and I turned off unused
services and load only the bare minimum stuff at startup,  (The only
non-Windows bits are a firewall, since the box travels, and an open
source driver that will let Windows see and access the ext4 partitions
Linux lives on.)  It's there mostly for stuff that requires Windows,
though some current Win software wants XP or better and won't
install/run.

The biggest performance drag is the HD, but UDMA4 is the best the BIOS
will support.  Small programs are sprightly enough.  Large ones take a
good approximation of forever to load.  Firefox, for instance, takes
45 seconds to load in a bare bones config with next to no extensions.
(Browsing is dead slow, too, regardless of what I use, even with a
hardwired connection to my router.)

Puppy Linux is reasonably sprightly, though quirky.  Ubuntu required
installing from the Minimal CD to get a CLI installation, then picking
and choosing the bits I wanted to get a usable system.  I use the Lxde
desktop.  I originally tried Xubuntu, intended for lower end systems,
but it was snail slow.  Posters on the Ubunto forums suggested too
much Gnome had crept in, and Ubuntu has a steadily advancing idea of
what "low end" was that was rather beyond what I had.  The Minumal CD
install produced a system that us usable, but with the same issues as
Win2K - large apps are problematic.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Mark Brown]

PLoP bootloader (www.plop.at) boots USB on hardware (with USB) that doesn't 
support it...

 
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>From: Jim Hall 
>To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net 
>Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
>
>
>
>On Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM, "dmccunney"  wrote:
>>
>> Whether this works will depend upon your BIOS.  The box I have FreeDOS
>> on will boot from a USB floppy drive, but *not* from a USB stick.
>> BIOS limitation.  I can't see a USB stick from FreeDOS either, because
>> no driver is available that can do it.  (I've looked at the USB
>> drivers for FreeDOS, and they don't handle the method the box uses.)
>Many BIOSes support USB sticks under DOS using "legacy emulation" or "legacy 
>mode", but it is possible that your BIOS is not one of these.
>Kind of surprised that your BIOS doesn't support booting from USB, though. I 
>thought that was something every BIOS supported, and it should be 
>OS-independent. But maybe yours is an older machine?
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[Bernd Blaauw]

Op 6-2-2012 15:58, Mark Brown schreef:
> PLoP bootloader (www.plop.at ) boots USB on hardware
> (with USB) that doesn't support it...

And so it does, in most cases.
However automation is desireable, and licensing is to be considered 
(free for personal non-commercial use, if I remember correctly).

As I've recently purchased a PCI USB2.0 card with VIA chip on it (and 
thus not only EHCI controller but also UHCI controller), to play with 
Bret Johnson's USBDOS drivers, I'll need to experiment also what works 
for me.

This add-on card isn't bootable or my BIOS doesn't consider it bootable, 
thus I'll likely end up with 1 USB stick in system USB port, then run 
some programs to access/boot the USB stick which is located in the addon 
controller card. Let's see if PLoP can handle it :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I downloaded as-easy-as from your site.
I didn't see a "LET command listed. Its a command
that makes dos qpro special. None of my dos macros
would run without it. 
Maybe you could talk to Corel or who ever owns
the copyright and see if they could bring back their
office software for FREEDOS use. They made the best
dos software ever.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Robert Riebisch]

Hi Dale,

> I downloaded as-easy-as from your site.
> I didn't see a "LET command listed. Its a command
> that makes dos qpro special. None of my dos macros
> would run without it. 
> Maybe you could talk to Corel or who ever owns
> the copyright and see if they could bring back their
> office software for FREEDOS use. They made the best
> dos software ever.

Would be a nice contribution to the FreeDOS community if *you* take this
job. :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

>> I downloaded as-easy-as from your site.
>> I didn't see a "LET command listed. Its a command
>> that makes dos qpro special. None of my dos macros
>> would run without it.
>> Maybe you could talk to Corel or who ever owns
>> the copyright and see if they could bring back their
>> office software for FREEDOS use. They made the best
>> dos software ever.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Robert Riebisch  wrote:
> Hi Dale,
>
> Would be a nice contribution to the FreeDOS community if *you* take this
> job. :-)
>

I agree with Robert! I think it would be great for you to reach out to
Corel (or any other software company) and ask that they release the
source code to their DOS applications under a Free/open source
software license like the GNU General Public License.

You can reach Corel here:
http://www.corel.com/

I just contacted them to ask about Quattro Pro and WordPerfect, but
I'm sure it would help if others (like you) also contacted them an
politely asked if they would release the source code to their legacy
DOS applications under a Free/open source software license. The more
people who ask, the more likely they are to respond.

On Corel's "Contact" page, you can chat online, open a ticket or call.
I chose to open a support ticket with them.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
have a million downloads they may feel there is once
again a viable market for their product and will sell
and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
without high quality software to run on it


cheers
DS.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 11:29:10 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> >> I downloaded as-easy-as from your site.
> >> I didn't see a "LET command listed. Its a command
> >> that makes dos qpro special. None of my dos macros
> >> would run without it.
> >> Maybe you could talk to Corel or who ever owns
> >> the copyright and see if they could bring back their
> >> office software for FREEDOS use. They made the best
> >> dos software ever.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Robert Riebisch 
>  wrote:
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > Would be a nice contribution to the FreeDOS community if *you* 
> take this
> > job. :-)
> >
> 
> I agree with Robert! I think it would be great for you to reach out 
> to
> Corel (or any other software company) and ask that they release the
> source code to their DOS applications under a Free/open source
> software license like the GNU General Public License.
> 
> You can reach Corel here:
> http://www.corel.com/
> 
> I just contacted them to ask about Quattro Pro and WordPerfect, but
> I'm sure it would help if others (like you) also contacted them an
> politely asked if they would release the source code to their legacy
> DOS applications under a Free/open source software license. The more
> people who ask, the more likely they are to respond.
> 
> On Corel's "Contact" page, you can chat online, open a ticket or 
> call.
> I chose to open a support ticket with them.
> 
> Jim
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dmccunney]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
> to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
> Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
> have a million downloads they may feel there is once
> again a viable market for their product and will sell
> and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
> alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
> the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
> world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
> without high quality software to run on it

I wouldn't expect release of source, either, though it would be nice.
But neither would I expect release for sale. Who would *buy* it?  DOS
has been dead for years, and I doubt there would be enough paying
customers to make sales worth the while.  Actually *selling* stuff
involves costs to be *able* to sell it, and unless you are confident
of a decent sales volume, it's not worth doing.

Yes, FreeDOS 1.1 has gotten a million downloads, but that, by itself,
is meaningless.  How many of the downloaders actually installed it,
and on what?  How many are actually using it, and what are they doing
with it if they are?  (My own bet is that most actually using it are
doing do to play old DOS games *native*, not use stuff like WP or
QPro.)

Best case, you get what Embarcadero once did.  They inherited the
former Borland DOS products like Turbo-C, and were offering them as
unsupported freeware downloads from a community link on their site.
There was no *paying* market for the DOS stuff, but making it
available was a nice gesture and good publicity for the Windows based
stuff they could *sell*.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[geneb]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, dmccunney wrote:


Best case, you get what Embarcadero once did.  They inherited the
former Borland DOS products like Turbo-C, and were offering them as
unsupported freeware downloads from a community link on their site.
There was no *paying* market for the DOS stuff, but making it
available was a nice gesture and good publicity for the Windows based
stuff they could *sell*.


This was actually done by Borland, long before the stand-alone tools 
division (CodeGear) was created, let alone sold to Embarcadero.


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[dmccunney]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 5:56 PM, geneb  wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, dmccunney wrote:
>
>> Best case, you get what Embarcadero once did.  They inherited the
>> former Borland DOS products like Turbo-C, and were offering them as
>> unsupported freeware downloads from a community link on their site.
>> There was no *paying* market for the DOS stuff, but making it
>> available was a nice gesture and good publicity for the Windows based
>> stuff they could *sell*.
>
> This was actually done by Borland, long before the stand-alone tools
> division (CodeGear) was created, let alone sold to Embarcadero.

Hmmm.  True, and thanks for the correction.  Embarcadero simply
carried on the practice.

But the point stands.  I don't see a *paying* market for DOS software,
but Corel might be convinced to make it available as unsupported
freeware.

Source code is nice, but not a magic bullet.  The vast majority of
folks who grab open source software want the compiled binaries so they
can *run* them.  The number of folks who are *able* to fix bugs and
add features because they have the source is a very tiny fraction of
the number of folks who will actually use the programs.

If Jim can convince Corel to offer source uinder a license that will
let him add it the the FreeDOS distribution, I'll be surprised and
delighted.

If anyone actually grabs that source, and uploads new and improved
versions incorporating changes they made to the source, I'll be
astonished.

Having it available under a compatible open source license will let
Jim make it available as part of FreeDOS.

Having it available as Freeware gives folks something they can *do*
with FreeDOS, which may be more important.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 5:12 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
[..]
> If Jim can convince Corel to offer source uinder a license that will
> let him add it the the FreeDOS distribution, I'll be surprised and
> delighted.
>
> If anyone actually grabs that source, and uploads new and improved
> versions incorporating changes they made to the source, I'll be
> astonished.
>
> Having it available under a compatible open source license will let
> Jim make it available as part of FreeDOS.
>
> Having it available as Freeware gives folks something they can *do*
> with FreeDOS, which may be more important.


I agree!

My view is "Ask, and they might do it." And "If you don't ask, they won't."

The ideal is that vendors might release the source code under a
Free/open source software license, like the GNU GPL. That would be
great!

But some vendors might not be able to release the source code. Maybe
there are legal restrictions, based on licensing agreements
(libraries, etc) and it would be too much work for them to go through
the legal clearance process to release the source code to a classic
DOS program. In this case, I'd be happy if they re-released the
software as free (gratis). For example, Trius Inc did this with the
shareware As-Easy-As spreadsheet. They provided an activation code
that anyone could use to activate As-Easy-As 5.7.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dmccunney]

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 5:12 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
> [..]
>> Having it available under a compatible open source license will let
>> Jim make it available as part of FreeDOS.
>>
>> Having it available as Freeware gives folks something they can *do*
>> with FreeDOS, which may be more important.
>
> I agree!
>
> My view is "Ask, and they might do it." And "If you don't ask, they won't."

Yep.

> The ideal is that vendors might release the source code under a
> Free/open source software license, like the GNU GPL. That would be
> great!

Better still if they would release under a BSD or MIT license.

> But some vendors might not be able to release the source code. Maybe
> there are legal restrictions, based on licensing agreements
> (libraries, etc) and it would be too much work for them to go through
> the legal clearance process to release the source code to a classic
> DOS program. In this case, I'd be happy if they re-released the
> software as free (gratis).

Yes again.  Source for applications of any size will likely not be
entirely written in house by the vendor, but will have come from other
sources and were licensed to the vendor.  The vendor of the final
product may well not have the rights to release all the source.

Consider Star Office, which became the base for Open Office and Libre
Office.  Sun bought Star Office GMBH, the original vendor.  They
decided to make it open source.  One of the components of Star Office
was a database.  The one issued with Star Office was a version of
Adabas from Software AG.  Star Office's license for Adabas allowed
them to release binaries as freeware, but did *not* allow them to
release source. Sun replaced Adabas with a Base module that was
actually written in Java which they did control.  You had to have a
current JRE installed along with OO/LO to be able to *use* Base.
(OO/LO would *install* without a JRE present, but would throw errors
if you tried to  *use* Base without a JRE installed.)

And all open source licenses are not equal.  One development I follow
is Toybox.  Toybox is an effort by Rob Landley.  He was the former
maintainer of Busybox.  Toybox is an improved Busybox equivalent.  The
initial target for Toybox is Android, and several contributors to
Toybox are Google Android developers, because they use Toybox
internally.  Rob cannot accept contributions licensed under the GPL.
There are too many strings attached to using the GPL.  (And GPLv2 and
GPLv3 are not compatible with each other!)  My irony meter has pegged
off scale more than once when two *open source* projects cannot share
code because the licenses are incompatible.
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[Dale E Sterner]

Yes I would purchase their updates; I already have
most of their stuff and use.it. They were a cut above
the rest of the dos software and I think they still
have users out there. I have MS Word 6 for dos;
what a real piece of junk..
I wouldn't expect big dos sales but I think their fans
would be after it but not big time.
Wordperfert 6.2 had alot of advanced features that
you wouldn't expect to see in dos like the matheditor
I use qpro alot; I like to tease my brother in law
that I use turbodos for taxes He's like you only wants 
the latest MS junk.


DS

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:48:13 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
> > to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
> > Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
> > have a million downloads they may feel there is once
> > again a viable market for their product and will sell
> > and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
> > alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
> > the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
> > world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
> > without high quality software to run on it
> 
> I wouldn't expect release of source, either, though it would be 
> nice.
> But neither would I expect release for sale. Who would *buy* it?  
> DOS
> has been dead for years, and I doubt there would be enough paying
> customers to make sales worth the while.  Actually *selling* stuff
> involves costs to be *able* to sell it, and unless you are confident
> of a decent sales volume, it's not worth doing.
> 
> Yes, FreeDOS 1.1 has gotten a million downloads, but that, by 
> itself,
> is meaningless.  How many of the downloaders actually installed it,
> and on what?  How many are actually using it, and what are they 
> doing
> with it if they are?  (My own bet is that most actually using it are
> doing do to play old DOS games *native*, not use stuff like WP or
> QPro.)
> 
> Best case, you get what Embarcadero once did.  They inherited the
> former Borland DOS products like Turbo-C, and were offering them as
> unsupported freeware downloads from a community link on their site.
> There was no *paying* market for the DOS stuff, but making it
> available was a nice gesture and good publicity for the Windows 
> based
> stuff they could *sell*.
> 
> > cheers
> > DS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I think Corel should realease their old versions FREE but 
be able to sell updates to their fans. I did purchase a disks full
of updates from a woman who said they came from Corel.
It gave me a hand full of improvements. If I see any more
Corel updates - I'll buy.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:40:14 -0500 Jim Hall  writes:
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 5:12 PM, dmccunney 
>  wrote:
> [..]
> > If Jim can convince Corel to offer source uinder a license that 
> will
> > let him add it the the FreeDOS distribution, I'll be surprised and
> > delighted.
> >
> > If anyone actually grabs that source, and uploads new and improved
> > versions incorporating changes they made to the source, I'll be
> > astonished.
> >
> > Having it available under a compatible open source license will 
> let
> > Jim make it available as part of FreeDOS.
> >
> > Having it available as Freeware gives folks something they can 
> *do*
> > with FreeDOS, which may be more important.
> 
> 
> I agree!
> 
> My view is "Ask, and they might do it." And "If you don't ask, they 
> won't."
> 
> The ideal is that vendors might release the source code under a
> Free/open source software license, like the GNU GPL. That would be
> great!
> 
> But some vendors might not be able to release the source code. Maybe
> there are legal restrictions, based on licensing agreements
> (libraries, etc) and it would be too much work for them to go 
> through
> the legal clearance process to release the source code to a classic
> DOS program. In this case, I'd be happy if they re-released the
> software as free (gratis). For example, Trius Inc did this with the
> shareware As-Easy-As spreadsheet. They provided an activation code
> that anyone could use to activate As-Easy-As 5.7.
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[dmccunney]

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> Yes I would purchase their updates; I already have
> most of their stuff and use.it. They were a cut above
> the rest of the dos software and I think they still
> have users out there. I have MS Word 6 for dos;
> what a real piece of junk..

I know *you* would purchase updates.  I just don't think the market is
big enough to make it worth *making* updates to the DOS apps.  The
sales of updates wouldn't cover a fraction of the costs of making
them, let alone make actual money,

> I wouldn't expect big dos sales but I think their fans
> would be after it but not big time.

I'd hardly expect *any* DOS sales.  Who would *buy* it?

Such things are only useful to you if you have a working DOS system
where you can run them native, or if you run them in some sort of
virtual machine like VdosPlus.

But if you need a spreadsheet at all, you run Excel under Windows, or
Open Office/Libre Office Calc under Linux, OS/X or Windows, or a
standalone cross platform spreadsheet like Gnumeric, or you work
online through something like Google Sheets.  (And *all* of the
non-Excel solutions above can read and write Excel format worksheets.
Like it or not, Excel is the standard everyone must adhere to.)

> Wordperfert 6.2 had alot of advanced features that
> you wouldn't expect to see in dos like the matheditor

And Windows programs also have such features, so you don't need to run
WP 6.2 to get them.

> I use qpro alot; I like to tease my brother in law
> that I use turbodos for taxes He's like you only wants
> the latest MS junk.

No, I don't just want the latest MS junk.  You obviously haven't been
paying attention when I talk about what I run here.  I have an older
version of MS Office, but the only component I use is Publisher for
the odd DTP project, because I know how to make it do what I want.
For WP, spreadsheets and the like, I use Libre Office, and some stuff
happens online with Google Docs/Sheets.  (In those instances, I am
collaborating with others, and we need access to the same files.)

I still have some ancient DOS stuff I run under emulation, but that's
a hobby thing done for fun.  I do not and *cannot* use DOS as my
production OS and DOS apps as my main applications.  To much of what I
do can't be *done* under DOS.

If you love QPro, fine.  If you can still use a DOS system and DOS
applications to do what you need to do, more power to you.  But if you
can, you are one of a *very* small number of people.  The rest of us
cannot.  And if you think there are a whole lot of people Just Like
You who can (or *want* to) do everything in DOS - enough to make it
worth while to maintain and sell DOS programs - I fear you are living
in a dream world.  The rest of the world has moved on.

> DS
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> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:48:13 -0400 dmccunney 
> writes:
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Dale E Sterner 
>> wrote:
>> > I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
>> > to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
>> > Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
>> > have a million downloads they may feel there is once
>> > again a viable market for their product and will sell
>> > and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
>> > alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
>> > the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
>> > world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
>> > without high quality software to run on it
>>
>> I wouldn't expect release of source, either, though it would be
>> nice.
>> But neither would I expect release for sale. Who would *buy* it?
>> DOS
>> has been dead for years, and I doubt there would be enough paying
>> customers to make sales worth the while.  Actually *selling* stuff
>> involves costs to be *able* to sell it, and unless you are confident
>> of a decent sales volume, it's not worth doing.
>>
>> Yes, FreeDOS 1.1 has gotten a million downloads, but that, by
>> itself,
>> is meaningless.  How many of the downloaders actually installed it,
>> and on what?  How many are actually using it, and what are they
>> doing
>> with it if they are?  (My own bet is that most actually using it are
>> doing do to play old DOS games *native*, not use stuff like WP or
>> QPro.)
>>
>> Best case, you get what Embarcadero once did.  They inherited the
>> former Borland DOS products like Turbo-C, and were offering them as
>> unsupported freeware downloads from a community link on their site.
>> There was no *paying* market for the DOS stuff, but making it
>> available was a nice gesture and good publicity for the Windows
>> based
>> stuff they could *sell*.
>>
>> > cheers
>> > DS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Rugxulo]

Hi!

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 2:51 PM, dmccunney  wrote:
>
> If you love QPro, fine.  If you can still use a DOS system and DOS
> applications to do what you need to do, more power to you.  But if you
> can, you are one of a *very* small number of people.  The rest of us
> cannot.  And if you think there are a whole lot of people Just Like
> You who can (or *want* to) do everything in DOS - enough to make it
> worth while to maintain and sell DOS programs - I fear you are living
> in a dream world.  The rest of the world has moved on.

Dennis, remember that we're currently on a DOS mailing list! More
specifically, one about a Free software clone (hi, Oracle!) of
(unsupported) MS-DOS.

You had a very minor point the first thousand times you told us how
obsolete DOS is, but at this point you're just a broken record.

Should we have false hope? No. Is DOS commercially dead? More or less.
At least, MS-DOS is no longer developed, nor is DR-DOS, nor is ROM DOS
(AFAIK). But all of them are still sold online (again, AFAIK).

DOSEMU2 (Linux-hosted) is still being worked upon, and there have been
efforts to port the current FreeDOS kernel to GCC (with 16-bit support
patches). Since that (also) works on x64, the latest efforts should
again continue to prolong the lifetime of DOS programs, which is good
since even traditional BIOS/CSM will "probably" disappear by 2020.

You act like we're trying to bring back Egyptian hieroglyphics! No,
this is functional software (often commercial) that we all used/bought
within our lifetimes. Yes, there are more popular systems (Windows,
Linux, Mac, et al). We already know this. It's like constantly
barraging C developers with "Java Java Java" or "C++ C++ C++". They
don't care, it still works. Maybe a bad analogy since C is still
actively developed (even Fortran and Ada, which are not as popular).
Moreso since FD tries to be binary compatible for old software rather
than source compatible (which itself is not necessarily easy or even
possible in most cases).

"Moved on" ... yes and no. There are still people using ancient
software. One person recently posted a bug report to VirtualBox about
Turbo Pascal 7 (DOS), which got fixed in ultra-latest release.
(Something to do with keyboard, probably not Finnish layout specific.
Silly Finns, what were they ever good for? [sarcasm] Oh yeah, Linux.
[Another brilliant Finn is nicknamed Bisqwit, but he seems totally
disinterested in Pascal these days in lieu of C++11.])

Sure, we all know that such a person should be using Free Pascal
instead, but they aren't!   ;-)At least FPC is still source
compatible to {$mode tp}, so it's not an impossible transition, if
ever needed.

You know the original XBox (2001) is also "dead", right? And yet even
MS is porting a few select games from it to its latest XBox One. I've
seen videos on YouTube (John Hancock) of at least two titles: Crimson
Skies, Panzer Dragoon Orta. (IIRC, someone said Sega lost sources to
the Saturn versions, so that rules out easy porting.) In video games,
that was two generations ago, and the current gen is already long in
the tooth. It was always sad how backwards compatibility is thrown
away, moreso in video games. Even the Nintendo Switch doesn't support
anything else directly, but they are porting some games to it (e.g.
Wii U's DKC: Tropical Freeze comes out [again] in May.)

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[Dale E Sterner]

Weather it is worth while is for Corel to decide.
I used Excell at work and the only good way to
program it without visual basic is to record and 
save. It seems to work on visual basic. Excells
visual basic commands are not well documented.
I have a half dozen books on Excell macro commands
but could never find anything on visual basic commands.
Excell macro commands never seem to work as promised.
Record and save is a really limited programming method.
If you have ever used Excell and qpro you would
appreciate how much better qpro is.Qpro has the "let" command
which I use to have the macro rewrite itself while still
running. It determines certains values as column length
writes the need macro line to fit the need. Something
I could never do with Excell.

DS

 

On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 15:51:08 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Dale E Sterner  
> wrote:
> > Yes I would purchase their updates; I already have
> > most of their stuff and use.it. They were a cut above
> > the rest of the dos software and I think they still
> > have users out there. I have MS Word 6 for dos;
> > what a real piece of junk..
> 
> I know *you* would purchase updates.  I just don't think the market 
> is
> big enough to make it worth *making* updates to the DOS apps.  The
> sales of updates wouldn't cover a fraction of the costs of making
> them, let alone make actual money,
> 
> > I wouldn't expect big dos sales but I think their fans
> > would be after it but not big time.
> 
> I'd hardly expect *any* DOS sales.  Who would *buy* it?
> 
> Such things are only useful to you if you have a working DOS system
> where you can run them native, or if you run them in some sort of
> virtual machine like VdosPlus.
> 
> But if you need a spreadsheet at all, you run Excel under Windows, 
> or
> Open Office/Libre Office Calc under Linux, OS/X or Windows, or a
> standalone cross platform spreadsheet like Gnumeric, or you work
> online through something like Google Sheets.  (And *all* of the
> non-Excel solutions above can read and write Excel format 
> worksheets.
> Like it or not, Excel is the standard everyone must adhere to.)
> 
> > Wordperfert 6.2 had alot of advanced features that
> > you wouldn't expect to see in dos like the matheditor
> 
> And Windows programs also have such features, so you don't need to 
> run
> WP 6.2 to get them.
> 
> > I use qpro alot; I like to tease my brother in law
> > that I use turbodos for taxes He's like you only wants
> > the latest MS junk.
> 
> No, I don't just want the latest MS junk.  You obviously haven't 
> been
> paying attention when I talk about what I run here.  I have an older
> version of MS Office, but the only component I use is Publisher for
> the odd DTP project, because I know how to make it do what I want.
> For WP, spreadsheets and the like, I use Libre Office, and some 
> stuff
> happens online with Google Docs/Sheets.  (In those instances, I am
> collaborating with others, and we need access to the same files.)
> 
> I still have some ancient DOS stuff I run under emulation, but 
> that's
> a hobby thing done for fun.  I do not and *cannot* use DOS as my
> production OS and DOS apps as my main applications.  To much of what 
> I
> do can't be *done* under DOS.
> 
> If you love QPro, fine.  If you can still use a DOS system and DOS
> applications to do what you need to do, more power to you.  But if 
> you
> can, you are one of a *very* small number of people.  The rest of us
> cannot.  And if you think there are a whole lot of people Just Like
> You who can (or *want* to) do everything in DOS - enough to make it
> worth while to maintain and sell DOS programs - I fear you are 
> living
> in a dream world.  The rest of the world has moved on.
> 
> > DS
> __
> Dennis
>  ..
> 
> > On Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:48:13 -0400 dmccunney 
> 
> > writes:
> >> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Dale E Sterner 
> 
> >> wrote:
> >> > I wouldn't expect them to ever release the source but
> >> > to put it back on the market for sale, like it use to be.
> >> > Not everthing can be open and free. If you tell them you
> >> > have a million downloads they may feel there is once
> >> > again a viable market for their product and will sell
> >> > and upgrade their dos line. I thing that Corel still has
> >> > alot of dos fans out there. I think alot of people miss
> >> > the simplicity and practicality of dos. Don't expect the
> >> > world to be completely free. DOS isn't worth much
> >> > without high quality software to run on it
> >>
> >> I wouldn't expect release of source, either, though it would be
> >> nice.
> >> But neither would I expect release for sale. Who would *buy* it?
> >> DOS
> >> has been dead for years, and I doubt there would be enough paying
> >> customers to make sales worth the while.  Actually *selling* 
> stuff
> >> involves costs to be *able* to sell it, and unless you are 
> confident
> >> of a decent sales volume, it's not worth doing.
> >>
> >> Yes, FreeDOS 1.1

Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Tom Ehlert]

> DOSEMU2 (Linux-hosted) is still being worked upon, and there have been
> efforts to port the current FreeDOS kernel to GCC (with 16-bit support
> patches). Since that (also) works on x64, the latest efforts should
> again continue to prolong the lifetime of DOS programs, which is good
> since even traditional BIOS/CSM will "probably" disappear by 2020.

this is simply nonsense.
a GCC compiled FreeDOS kernel will work *exactly* where the standard
WatcomC compiled works; no more , no less (bugs aside).

the GCC kernel is still 16 bit stuff, and requires a working BIOS.

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[Rugxulo]

Tom, why do you always misunderstand? You really think I didn't know
this already?

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 6:57 AM, Tom Ehlert  wrote:
>> DOSEMU2 (Linux-hosted) is still being worked upon, and there have been

DOSEMU runs on Linux natively but still needs 16-bit DOS (kernel,
shell, utils) files to function.

>> efforts to port the current FreeDOS kernel to GCC (with 16-bit support 
>> patches).

Bart has (mostly) made it compile, so far.

>> Since that (also) works on x64,

"That" meaning DOSEMU, hence it can run atop Linux (32-bit or 64-bit).

>> the latest efforts should again continue to prolong the lifetime of DOS 
>> programs, which is good
>> since even traditional BIOS/CSM will "probably" disappear by 2020.

"Prolong" as in finally be widely accepted into Linux distros without
being relegated to "contrib" or "universe" (multiverse? I forget) due
to "using non-Free build tools".

> this is simply nonsense.

Ugh.

> a GCC compiled FreeDOS kernel will work *exactly* where the standard
> WatcomC compiled works; no more , no less (bugs aside).

Right. I never said otherwise.

> the GCC kernel is still 16 bit stuff, and requires a working BIOS.

Yes, but DOSEMU fakes all of that, so there's (probably?) no real BIOS
access here.

(I guess V86 mode could maybe do it, if needed, but that's not
available under x64, more or less. There are some extremely obscure
third-party hacks, but I've never investigated. Just for completeness,
read [old] http://v86-64.sf.net if curious, but it's probably not
totally reliable. I think VT-X is probably a better path going forward
and is already partially supported under DOSEMU2.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I use qpro to crunch the numbers
I still have to get it to print the completed form out.
Each year it grows a little bigger and better.
I still have to hand copy it into a 1040 form.

cheers
DS


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> On april 21 Dale E Sterner 
>  said
> 
> >  I like to tease my brother in law that
> >  I use turbodos for taxes 
> 
> You are lucky. 
> We here must use Java (JVM) 1.7 or 
>   later to create tax return forms.
> 
>   JAS
> 
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[Dale E Sterner]

Can I ask what country you live in.
I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
A lot of people don't have computers here.
Either they're too expensive or they just
don't like them.
I just can't imagine not having paper forms.

cheers
DS



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> 
> Dale E Sterner  said:
> 
> > I use qpro to crunch the numbers
> > I still have to get it to print the completed form out.
> > Each year it grows a little bigger and better.
> > I still have to hand copy it into a 1040 form.
> 
> Yes, and this is why I said you are lucky.
> You can still use paper forms,  which do not care
>  about how you fill them. 
> In 2010 or 2011 our government did away
>  completely with paper tax forms.  Everything is
>  now electronic and must be filled in a computer,
>  using one of the purpose-written programs freely
>  available from  the revenue service, then uploaded 
>  to their site. 
> All those programs are written in Java, so the same 
>  .jar can be used with Windows, Linux or MacOS
>  (now also with  Android or IOs, if you dare to use 
>  an smartphone to fill tax forms).  
>The programs have been updated since they 
>  appeared, and current tax forms cannot be used 
>  with the older versions.  This is why the JVM version
>  also had to be updated.
> 
>  JAS
> 
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[Eric Auer]

Hi Dale,

> Can I ask what country you live in.
> I hope that doesn't happen in the US.

> A lot of people don't have computers here.
> Either they're too expensive or they just
> don't like them.

> I just can't imagine not having paper forms.

For example both in the NL and Germany, you
are pretty much forced to use computers for
your taxes. Until a few years ago, you had
to use Windows software, ironically written
in portable languages. Right now, you can do
basic tax using web forms in both countries.

The Dutch started to offer Linux and Mac tools
several years ago and suggest phone apps now!?

The German form wizard is still Windows-only,
but is at least slightly tuned for Linux Wine.
There also is a not-so-advertised pile of PDF.

The NL also love digital payments for all
everyday expenses, although studies show
that this lets people lose proper view on
their expenses. On the other hand, you in
the US must be used to pay many things on
credit, which has similar side effects.

I have not researched other countries, but
would be keen to hear about France, Belgium
and similar western European countries :-)

Regards, Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[dmccunney]

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:

> The NL also love digital payments for all
> everyday expenses, although studies show
> that this lets people lose proper view on
> their expenses. On the other hand, you in
> the US must be used to pay many things on
> credit, which has similar side effects.

The US is increasingly cashless.  Credit cards are only part of it.
Banks also issue debit cards which deduct directly from the configured
account.  We use very little cash on a day to day basis, and are happy
about it.

Doing everything electronically *does* make it possible to lose proper
view on expenses if you fail to actually read your monthly statements.

(And those, Ironically, are often still on paper.  We get paper
statements from our bank informing us of interest earned on an
interest bearing checking account.  That account has just enough cash
to cover bills paid with it, with the rest elsewhere.  It costs the
bank more in postage to *report* the interest earned than than the
earned interest itself.

We'd be just as happy to have that reported electronically, but
applicable regulations apparently require the bank to do it on paper.
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[Ralf Quint]

On 4/26/2018 1:34 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:

Can I ask what country you live in.
I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
Well, his email address is kind of a clear indicator that he's living in 
Brazil...


Ralf

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putting something appropriate into the subject line...


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[Gregg Eshelman via Freedos-user]

How can a .jar be run on Android or iOS? Android is built on some bastardized 
version of JAVA but AFAIK nobody has yet produced a fully functional JAVA 
Runtime Environment (JRE) for Android.
 As for iOS, Apple seems to hate JAVA with as much fury as they do Flash.

Apple sayeth "#%#@ Flash and JAVA. HTML 5.0 is the future!" and Adobe just 
about instantly discontinued development on Flash for Android and other mobile 
platforms.

Looks like they could uses something like this cross-platform system. Seems to 
embed an app specific JRE into the app, like a 'wrapper' to interface between 
the JAVA code and the OS's API.
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On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 2:31:57 PM MDT, Dale E Sterner 
 wrote:  
 
 Can I ask what country you live in.
I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
A lot of people don't have computers here.
Either they're too expensive or they just
don't like them.
I just can't imagine not having paper forms.

cheers
DS



On Thu, 26 Apr 18 17:47:05 + =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zZSBBbnRvbmlvIFNlbm5h?=
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> 
> Dale E Sterner  said:
> 
> > I use qpro to crunch the numbers
> > I still have to get it to print the completed form out.
> > Each year it grows a little bigger and better.
> > I still have to hand copy it into a 1040 form.
> 
>    Yes, and this is why I said you are lucky.
>    You can still use paper forms,  which do not care
>  about how you fill them. 
>    In 2010 or 2011 our government did away
>  completely with paper tax forms.  Everything is
>  now electronic and must be filled in a computer,
>  using one of the purpose-written programs freely
>  available from  the revenue service, then uploaded 
>  to their site. 
>    All those programs are written in Java, so the same 
>  .jar can be used with Windows, Linux or MacOS
>  (now also with  Android or IOs, if you dare to use 
>  an smartphone to fill tax forms).  
>    The programs have been updated since they 
>  appeared, and current tax forms cannot be used 
>  with the older versions.  This is why the JVM version
>  also had to be updated.
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American taxes are very complex but at least
we can still use paper. My tax return is 8
double sided pages. I'd sink if I didn't have
QPRO to do all the math.
America loves to copy Japanese and European
ways, even when they're stupid. I hope this
is one idea they take a pass on.

cheers
DS


On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 23:08:35 +0200 Eric Auer  writes:
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> > Can I ask what country you live in.
> > I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
> 
> > A lot of people don't have computers here.
> > Either they're too expensive or they just
> > don't like them.
> 
> > I just can't imagine not having paper forms.
> 
> For example both in the NL and Germany, you
> are pretty much forced to use computers for
> your taxes. Until a few years ago, you had
> to use Windows software, ironically written
> in portable languages. Right now, you can do
> basic tax using web forms in both countries.
> 
> The Dutch started to offer Linux and Mac tools
> several years ago and suggest phone apps now!?
> 
> The German form wizard is still Windows-only,
> but is at least slightly tuned for Linux Wine.
> There also is a not-so-advertised pile of PDF.
> 
> The NL also love digital payments for all
> everyday expenses, although studies show
> that this lets people lose proper view on
> their expenses. On the other hand, you in
> the US must be used to pay many things on
> credit, which has similar side effects.
> 
> I have not researched other countries, but
> would be keen to hear about France, Belgium
> and similar western European countries :-)
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I get paper statments for everything and they now
all charge me for the paper version. The bank is $3
and the phone is $5 for paper. I pay because I trust
paper. Computer software is in constant flux.
One day it works then over night they upgrade
and you also have to upgrade to read it. Some times
upgrades are easy but it usually means buying something
new. If you buy something new they'll just do it again.

DS



On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:23:20 -0400 dmccunney 
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> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Eric Auer  
> wrote:
> 
> > The NL also love digital payments for all
> > everyday expenses, although studies show
> > that this lets people lose proper view on
> > their expenses. On the other hand, you in
> > the US must be used to pay many things on
> > credit, which has similar side effects.
> 
> The US is increasingly cashless.  Credit cards are only part of it.
> Banks also issue debit cards which deduct directly from the 
> configured
> account.  We use very little cash on a day to day basis, and are 
> happy
> about it.
> 
> Doing everything electronically *does* make it possible to lose 
> proper
> view on expenses if you fail to actually read your monthly 
> statements.
> 
> (And those, Ironically, are often still on paper.  We get paper
> statements from our bank informing us of interest earned on an
> interest bearing checking account.  That account has just enough 
> cash
> to cover bills paid with it, with the rest elsewhere.  It costs the
> bank more in postage to *report* the interest earned than than the
> earned interest itself.
> 
> We'd be just as happy to have that reported electronically, but
> applicable regulations apparently require the bank to do it on 
> paper.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

Sorry I didn't pick up on it.
Even Brazil is doing it, The web only said India was
doing it. How did the US escape this fate.

cheers
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> On 4/26/2018 1:34 PM, Dale E Sterner wrote:
> > Can I ask what country you live in.
> > I hope that doesn't happen in the US.
> Well, his email address is kind of a clear indicator that he's 
> living in 
> Brazil...
> 
> Ralf
> 
> PS: It helps a lot in emails to a mailing list if one is actually 
> putting something appropriate into the subject line...
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> Sorry I didn't pick up on it.
> Even Brazil is doing it, The web only said India was
> doing it.

Where were you looking?  It sounds like your search was cursory at best.

> How did the US escape this fate.

A complex political system with lots of disagreement on the best way
forward.  Even if everyone agreed going paperless was desireable, you
would still have knock down, drag out fights as to how to achieve it.
Just about every country is heading in that direction.  Some are
farther along than others.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner  wrote:
> I get paper statments for everything and they now
> all charge me for the paper version. The bank is $3
> and the phone is $5 for paper. I pay because I trust
> paper. Computer software is in constant flux.
> One day it works then over night they upgrade
> and you also have to upgrade to read it. Some times
> upgrades are easy but it usually means buying something
> new. If you buy something new they'll just do it again.

You want to do everything the way you've been doing it for decades,
and not have to change what you do and how you do it.  You want to
stay put where you are.  What will you do when that's no longer
possible?

In service of that you must jump through hoops and perform all manner
of labor others have the computer do for them.  It will become
increasingly harder as you go along.  At some point, you may have no
choice, and simply have to do it differently because what you need to
do can no longer be *done* the way you're doing now.  Resisting
upgrades is storing up trouble for the future.  When you finally
*have* to upgrade, it will be an order of magnitude harder than it
could have been because so *much* will change.

What value do you place on your *time*?  Everyone I know would look at
what you've recounted as your process and say "That sort of stuff is
what a *computer* is for!"

Personally, I think "doing it the way you've always done it" is more
important than "trust in paper" for you.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Dale E Sterner]

I trust my mailman to deliver; he always has.
Computers fail alot either from upgrades or they
just die then I don't get my bill to pay on time.
I'm old with luck I'll die before we all go paperless.

DS



On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:42:41 -0400 dmccunney 
writes:
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Dale E Sterner 
>  wrote:
> > I get paper statments for everything and they now
> > all charge me for the paper version. The bank is $3
> > and the phone is $5 for paper. I pay because I trust
> > paper. Computer software is in constant flux.
> > One day it works then over night they upgrade
> > and you also have to upgrade to read it. Some times
> > upgrades are easy but it usually means buying something
> > new. If you buy something new they'll just do it again.
> 
> You want to do everything the way you've been doing it for decades,
> and not have to change what you do and how you do it.  You want to
> stay put where you are.  What will you do when that's no longer
> possible?
> 
> In service of that you must jump through hoops and perform all 
> manner
> of labor others have the computer do for them.  It will become
> increasingly harder as you go along.  At some point, you may have no
> choice, and simply have to do it differently because what you need 
> to
> do can no longer be *done* the way you're doing now.  Resisting
> upgrades is storing up trouble for the future.  When you finally
> *have* to upgrade, it will be an order of magnitude harder than it
> could have been because so *much* will change.
> 
> What value do you place on your *time*?  Everyone I know would look 
> at
> what you've recounted as your process and say "That sort of stuff is
> what a *computer* is for!"
> 
> Personally, I think "doing it the way you've always done it" is more
> important than "trust in paper" for you.
> 
> > DS
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Eric Auer]

Hi JAS,

> An e-mail address is not a reliable  means 
>  to find one's address: even Eric Auer had an
>  e-mail address in Brazil sometime ago.

Website mirror, not e-mail address...

> My point in sending these messages was to show
>  one more issue that reduces the chances for use 
>  of DOS today.

Nobody forces you to limit your computer activities
for DOS. It does not hurt your DOS installation to
boot another operating system once per year for the
tax form filling.

Eric


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[David McMackins]

vmdk is a virtual machine image for VMWare. You want to use the img
file. Use a disk imaging software to image your drive using the img file
as the image.


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On 8/19/19 5:39 AM, kaye n wrote:
> Hello Friends
> 
> In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> 
> It says,
> *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive
> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software packages.
> 
> How exactly do I do that?  The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files:
> FD12FULL.img
> FD12FULL.vmdk
> README.md
> 
> Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the USB
> drive?
> I tried it and it didn't work.
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance.
> Thank you for your time.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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On Mac, Linux & BSD, you can simply use the dd command line utility. Windows 
will require additional software.

On *nix, if you’re USB drive is /dev/sdg then something like the following will 
do it:

su umount /dev/sdg*
su dd if=FD12FULL.img of=/dev/sdg 

Just make sure you write to the USB device and not you hard disk. 

> On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:43 AM, David McMackins  wrote:
> 
> vmdk is a virtual machine image for VMWare. You want to use the img
> file. Use a disk imaging software to image your drive using the img file
> as the image.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David E. McMackins II
> www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com
> 
>> On 8/19/19 5:39 AM, kaye n wrote:
>> Hello Friends
>> 
>> In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>> 
>> It says,
>> *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive
>> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
>> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
>> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software packages.
>> 
>> How exactly do I do that?  The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files:
>> FD12FULL.img
>> FD12FULL.vmdk
>> README.md
>> 
>> Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the USB
>> drive?
>> I tried it and it didn't work.
>> 
>> Sorry for my ignorance.
>> Thank you for your time.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[kaye n]

Thank you David and Jerome.

I used my Linux operating system's Unetbootin to create the FreeDOS USB
installer.

It failed to boot. So I logged back in to my Linux, created a boot flag for
the USB flash drive using GParted.

It booted.

There was a blue screen and I had only "Default" to choose from.  Or I had
to press tab for more options. I chose default, no options about what
partition to install into, but it
installed without problems, although it took awhile, maybe 20 minutes.

I logged back in to the Linux OS, executed this in terminal:

sudo update-grub

FreeDOS did not appear as one of the operating systems to choose from.

I opened GParted and saw that the 1GB (that's one GB) fat32 partition of
the hard drive was empty (only 1.03MB was used).  File Manager also shows
that the fat32 partition was empty.

So where did FreeDOS installed to? Did it even install at all?

Thank you for your time!

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> On Mac, Linux & BSD, you can simply use the dd command line utility.
> Windows will require additional software.
>
> On *nix, if you’re USB drive is /dev/sdg then something like the following
> will do it:
>
> su umount /dev/sdg*
> su dd if=FD12FULL.img of=/dev/sdg
>
> Just make sure you write to the USB device and not you hard disk.
>
> > On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:43 AM, David McMackins 
> wrote:
> >
> > vmdk is a virtual machine image for VMWare. You want to use the img
> > file. Use a disk imaging software to image your drive using the img file
> > as the image.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > David E. McMackins II
> > www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com
> >
> >> On 8/19/19 5:39 AM, kaye n wrote:
> >> Hello Friends
> >>
> >> In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
> >>
> >> It says,
> >> *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive
> >> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
> >> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
> >> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
> packages.
> >>
> >> How exactly do I do that?  The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files:
> >> FD12FULL.img
> >> FD12FULL.vmdk
> >> README.md
> >>
> >> Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the USB
> >> drive?
> >> I tried it and it didn't work.
> >>
> >> Sorry for my ignorance.
> >> Thank you for your time.
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[kaye n]

UPDATE
It seems it installed in the USB installer itself!

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:06 PM kaye n  wrote:

> Thank you David and Jerome.
>
> I used my Linux operating system's Unetbootin to create the FreeDOS USB
> installer.
>
> It failed to boot. So I logged back in to my Linux, created a boot flag
> for the USB flash drive using GParted.
>
> It booted.
>
> There was a blue screen and I had only "Default" to choose from.  Or I had
> to press tab for more options. I chose default, no options about what
> partition to install into, but it
> installed without problems, although it took awhile, maybe 20 minutes.
>
> I logged back in to the Linux OS, executed this in terminal:
>
> sudo update-grub
>
> FreeDOS did not appear as one of the operating systems to choose from.
>
> I opened GParted and saw that the 1GB (that's one GB) fat32 partition of
> the hard drive was empty (only 1.03MB was used).  File Manager also shows
> that the fat32 partition was empty.
>
> So where did FreeDOS installed to? Did it even install at all?
>
> Thank you for your time!
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:
>
>> On Mac, Linux & BSD, you can simply use the dd command line utility.
>> Windows will require additional software.
>>
>> On *nix, if you’re USB drive is /dev/sdg then something like the
>> following will do it:
>>
>> su umount /dev/sdg*
>> su dd if=FD12FULL.img of=/dev/sdg
>>
>> Just make sure you write to the USB device and not you hard disk.
>>
>> > On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:43 AM, David McMackins 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > vmdk is a virtual machine image for VMWare. You want to use the img
>> > file. Use a disk imaging software to image your drive using the img file
>> > as the image.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > David E. McMackins II
>> > www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com
>> >
>> >> On 8/19/19 5:39 AM, kaye n wrote:
>> >> Hello Friends
>> >>
>> >> In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>> >>
>> >> It says,
>> >> *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive
>> >> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
>> >> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
>> >> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
>> packages.
>> >>
>> >> How exactly do I do that?  The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files:
>> >> FD12FULL.img
>> >> FD12FULL.vmdk
>> >> README.md
>> >>
>> >> Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the
>> USB
>> >> drive?
>> >> I tried it and it didn't work.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for my ignorance.
>> >> Thank you for your time.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

Hi kaye

I may have missed it, but why are you installing on actual PC hardware? Why
not install FreeDOS in a PC emulator? Then you can run FreeDOS and Linux at
the same time. It's very easy.

You're running Linux, so you probably have QEMU already installed as part
of your distribution. If you use GNOME, you may also have GNOME Boxes
(which uses QEMU on the back end, anyway). You can also download and
install VirtualBox, and use that to install and run FreeDOS.

I wrote an article for OpenSource.com a few years ago, describing how to
install and run FreeDOS on Linux using QEMU. You can find it here:
https://opensource.com/article/17/10/run-dos-applications-linux

Note that you define the virtual machine environment (the PC emulator)
using options on the QEMU command line. So the command line can be very
long, because you will want to specify the CDROM image, the hard drive
image, the VGA card, and so on. But it's very simple. I put all of that in
a script so I don't have to type it all the time.

Even though you start QEMU from a command line, you are doing this under
the graphical desktop environment - probably GNOME or KDE on most modern
Linux distributions. (I use GNOME.)

If you prefer a graphical environment, you can use VirtualBox. There's a
very nice "how to" guide on the FreeDOS Wiki that describes how to do this:
http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/VirtualBox


Jim


On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:16 AM kaye n  wrote:

> UPDATE
> It seems it installed in the USB installer itself!
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:06 PM kaye n  wrote:
>
>> Thank you David and Jerome.
>>
>> I used my Linux operating system's Unetbootin to create the FreeDOS USB
>> installer.
>>
>> It failed to boot. So I logged back in to my Linux, created a boot flag
>> for the USB flash drive using GParted.
>>
>> It booted.
>>
>> There was a blue screen and I had only "Default" to choose from.  Or I
>> had to press tab for more options. I chose default, no options about what
>> partition to install into, but it
>> installed without problems, although it took awhile, maybe 20 minutes.
>>
>> I logged back in to the Linux OS, executed this in terminal:
>>
>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> FreeDOS did not appear as one of the operating systems to choose from.
>>
>> I opened GParted and saw that the 1GB (that's one GB) fat32 partition of
>> the hard drive was empty (only 1.03MB was used).  File Manager also shows
>> that the fat32 partition was empty.
>>
>> So where did FreeDOS installed to? Did it even install at all?
>>
>> Thank you for your time!
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 7:52 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mac, Linux & BSD, you can simply use the dd command line utility.
>>> Windows will require additional software.
>>>
>>> On *nix, if you’re USB drive is /dev/sdg then something like the
>>> following will do it:
>>>
>>> su umount /dev/sdg*
>>> su dd if=FD12FULL.img of=/dev/sdg
>>>
>>> Just make sure you write to the USB device and not you hard disk.
>>>
>>> > On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:43 AM, David McMackins 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > vmdk is a virtual machine image for VMWare. You want to use the img
>>> > file. Use a disk imaging software to image your drive using the img
>>> file
>>> > as the image.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > David E. McMackins II
>>> > www.mcmackins.org www.delwink.com
>>> >
>>> >> On 8/19/19 5:39 AM, kaye n wrote:
>>> >> Hello Friends
>>> >>
>>> >> In http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>> >>
>>> >> It says,
>>> >> *If your computer doesn't have a CDROM drive,* use the USB fob drive
>>> >> installer. Write this to a USB fob drive and boot it to start the
>>> >> install. The "Full" and "Lite" versions install the same FreeDOS, but
>>> >> the "Lite" installer does not contain some extra bonus software
>>> packages.
>>> >>
>>> >> How exactly do I do that?  The file FD12FULL.zip contains three files:
>>> >> FD12FULL.img
>>> >> FD12FULL.vmdk
>>> >> README.md
>>> >>
>>> >> Do I just unzip these three to the USB flash drive and boot into the
>>> USB
>>> >> drive?
>>> >> I tried it and it didn't work.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry for my ignorance.
>>> >> Thank you for your time.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject)

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On 6/11/2020 12:57 PM, haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user wrote:
سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، 
انا استخدم برنامج rufus .


Und 'en Ei vm Konsum...

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Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject)

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sorry guys , i did not download it correctly , even my browser said it 
completed but the hash didnt match , now after re downloading it does , sorry 
guys,
one thing , WLAN doesnt work , even that it shows in "pcisleep l" it the last 
device , with intel , with wlan? , i tried installing fdnet ,but it didnt , and 
also why high definitino auido device doesnt work?

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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You can use JEMMEX to provide EMS.  Command docs are here
(https://web.archive.org/web/20200205000957/http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/jemmex.htm).

You need a line like
```
DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE RAM
```
in your fdconfig.sys.

See (https://www.philscomputerlab.com/ms-dos-starter-pack.html) for more info.

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> does freedos support ems and if so, how would i go about enabling it?
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a Pentium
II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial and
parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable. The
CD drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to
install FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on
the HD. I transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but
sometimes with the 1.44MB floppy.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš  wrote:

> Hello
> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002
> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is
> not working. Where I can fix it?
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Andrew Robins]

You might like to consider using Elmar Hanlhofer's "Plop" boot manager 
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html to assist with booting from your 
native USB1.x port. It helps with working around early BIOS versions that did 
not permit /enable booting from USB as an option. (Have you checked you bios to 
rule this part of the problem out?) However, if you have USB ports via a PCMCIA 
adapter, you may have additional struggles with compatibility. Elmar lists 
PCMCIA compatibility as 'limited', but I have not had any success using PLOP to 
boot from USB. 
HTH




On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Marv wrote:
> For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a Pentium 
> II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial and 
> parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable. The CD 
> drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to install 
> FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on the HD. I 
> transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but sometimes with the 
> 1.44MB floppy.
>  
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš  wrote:
>> Hello
>> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 
>> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
>> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not 
>> working. Where I can fix it?
>> Thx
>> Simon
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Andrew Robins]

*EDIT: USB2.0 ports via PCMCIA adapter, I mean. 



On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Andrew Robins wrote:
> You might like to consider using Elmar Hanlhofer's "Plop" boot manager 
> https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html to assist with booting from your 
> native USB1.x port. It helps with working around early BIOS versions that did 
> not permit /enable booting from USB as an option. (Have you checked you bios 
> to rule this part of the problem out?) However, if you have USB ports via a 
> PCMCIA adapter, you may have additional struggles with compatibility. Elmar 
> lists PCMCIA compatibility as 'limited', but I have not had any success using 
> PLOP to boot from USB. 
> HTH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Marv wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a Pentium 
>> II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial and 
>> parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable. The 
>> CD drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to install 
>> FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on the HD. I 
>> transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but sometimes with 
>> the 1.44MB floppy.
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš  wrote:
>>> Hello
>>> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 
>>> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
>>> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not 
>>> working. Where I can fix it?
>>> Thx
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Marv]

Actually, I do use PLOP whenever I have my 2nd HD plugged in. It has
Windows 2000 on it. Sometimes it's handy to use certain windows programs
like Disk Management, but mostly I just leave it disconnected and use
FreeDos.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 5:12 PM Andrew Robins  wrote:

> *EDIT: USB2.0 ports via PCMCIA adapter, I mean.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Andrew Robins wrote:
>
> You might like to consider using Elmar Hanlhofer's "Plop" boot manager
> https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html to assist with booting from your
> native USB1.x port. It helps with working around early BIOS versions that
> did not permit /enable booting from USB as an option. (Have you checked you
> bios to rule this part of the problem out?) However, if you have USB ports
> via a PCMCIA adapter, you may have additional struggles with compatibility.
> Elmar lists PCMCIA compatibility as 'limited', but I have not had any
> success using PLOP to boot from USB.
> HTH
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Marv wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a
> Pentium II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial
> and parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable.
> The CD drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to
> install FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on
> the HD. I transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but
> sometimes with the 1.44MB floppy.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš 
> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002
> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is
> not working. Where I can fix it?
> Thx
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 
2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it 
is not working. Where I can fix it?


Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS would 
NOT run on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but not a 
problem either.


What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a 
proper problem description. You need to be far more precise/descriptive 
of what exactly you are trying to do and what the results are. We can 
not look over your shoulder, and there simply is not enough information 
to even make an educated guess...


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Šimon Dobeš]

OK
I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down 
the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found 
anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply 
or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for 
that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to 
handle all operations and may explode.

Simon

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On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 and 
if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not 
working. Where I can fix it?


Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS would NOT run 
on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but not a problem either.

What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a proper 
problem description. You need to be far more precise/descriptive of what exactly you are 
trying to do and what the results are. We can not look over your shoulder, and there 
simply is not enough information to even make an educated guess...

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Mateusz Viste]

Note that running a laptop with no battery is not necessarily a good 
idea - some laptops rely on the battery to act as a voltage regulator. 
Running a laptop without its aku pack is how I fried a RAM bank in my 
Toshiba T1100 a couple of years ago. I realized too late that the power 
supply was delivering a much higher voltage than what the laptop 
expected, and needed to be brought down by the battery not to damage 
anything. More recent constructions are probably sturdier, but one 
should be careful nonetheless.


Mateusz



On 09/01/2021 08:46, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

OK
I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down 
the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found 
anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply 
or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for 
that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to 
handle all operations and may explode.

Simon

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On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 
2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it 
is not working. Where I can fix it?


Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS 
would NOT run on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but 
not a problem either.


What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a 
proper problem description. You need to be far more 
precise/descriptive of what exactly you are trying to do and what the 
results are. We can not look over your shoulder, and there simply is 
not enough information to even make an educated guess...


Ralf



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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Šimon Dobeš]

Almost I forgot.
If I will install FreeDOS on that pentium PC that have about 60 GB of 
Hard Disk. May I been able to install some Windows OS? (e.g. Windows 95, 
98, 2000)

Thanks
Simon

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Šimon Dobeš]

That's good answer. I thought the Laptop have its own regulator built in!

Dňa so, 9. jan 2021, 8:56 Mateusz Viste  napísal(a):

> Note that running a laptop with no battery is not necessarily a good
> idea - some laptops rely on the battery to act as a voltage regulator.
> Running a laptop without its aku pack is how I fried a RAM bank in my
> Toshiba T1100 a couple of years ago. I realized too late that the power
> supply was delivering a much higher voltage than what the laptop
> expected, and needed to be brought down by the battery not to damage
> anything. More recent constructions are probably sturdier, but one
> should be careful nonetheless.
>
> Mateusz
>
>
>
> On 09/01/2021 08:46, Šimon Dobeš wrote:
> > OK
> > I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down
> > the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found
> > anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply
> > or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for
> > that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to
> > handle all operations and may explode.
> > Simon
> >
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> > Komu: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Odoslané: 9. 1. 2021 4:10:02
> > Predmet: Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)
> >
> >> On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:
> >>> Hello
> >>> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from
> >>> 2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
> >>> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it
> >>> is not working. Where I can fix it?
> >>
> >> Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS
> >> would NOT run on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but
> >> not a problem either.
> >>
> >> What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a
> >> proper problem description. You need to be far more
> >> precise/descriptive of what exactly you are trying to do and what the
> >> results are. We can not look over your shoulder, and there simply is
> >> not enough information to even make an educated guess...
> >>
> >> Ralf
> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Ralf Quint]

On 1/8/2021 11:46 PM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

OK
I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed 
down the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not 
found anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power 
supply or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery 
pack for that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are 
way old to handle all operations and may explode. 


OK, so nothing that has do with FreeDOS then...

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Ralf Quint]

On 1/8/2021 11:54 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote:
Note that running a laptop with no battery is not necessarily a good 
idea - some laptops rely on the battery to act as a voltage regulator. 
Running a laptop without its aku pack is how I fried a RAM bank in my 
Toshiba T1100 a couple of years ago. I realized too late that the 
power supply was delivering a much higher voltage than what the laptop 
expected, and needed to be brought down by the battery not to damage 
anything. More recent constructions are probably sturdier, but one 
should be careful nonetheless. 


Not necessarily. As a laptop with a full charge battery should not be 
power through the battery when connected to the mains. And for what it 
is worth, I have one Dell laptop that I am running for more than 10 
years now without an inserted battery, as the charging circuit is not 
operational. But it works just fine, with a great 1600x1280 screen, when 
just ran off the AC adapter.


But then this is a pure hardware issue, and nothing related to FreeDOS...

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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Agree!

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 07:33 Thomas Mueller,  wrote:

> from Jim Hall:
>
>
> > I don't know why the sources later had an "AMD" statement put on them,
> > but you cannot claim "proprietary" or "copyright" on something that
> > was previously released under the GNU General Public License.
>
> > It appears that somewhere along the line, someone (at AMD?) had access
> > to the sources, probably in a larger source tree, and ran a batch job
> > or script to apply the "AMD" statement to a bunch of source files. And
> > that happened to catch these GPL and public domain source files. I
> > believe that was done in error. The original public domain and GPL
> > declarations trump the latter "AMD" statement.
>
>
> > Resolution:
>
>
> > (1) Let's re-accept the FDNET package into the next FreeDOS distribution.
>
> > (2) I'll make a note about this decision in the FreeDOS wiki at
> > http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages
> > (this currently has a red "do not include" note on it .. I'll update
> > to change it a green "include" message)
>
> > (3) To prevent future confusion, I'll create a new version of these
> > source files that *removes* the "AMD" statement, where a previous GPL
> > or public domain declaration was already made. (I think that's all of
> > the files in question.) I'll also create (or update, if it exists) a
> > README file to note the changes to the source files, and why.
>
>
> > I look forward to including networking support again in the next
> > distribution, which should be FreeDOS 1.3 RC5.
>
>
> > *If you agree or disagree, I'd appreciate your reply to this email.
> > Agreement can be simply "agree" or "+1". If you disagree, please
> > discuss. (But consensus from the last discussion favored including
> > FDNET, so if no one disagrees now, I'll assume no concerns on this.)
>
> Agree
>
> Tom
>
>
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[Louis Santillan]

It would likely be prudent to get a confirmation statement from Russell
Nelson as well.

Per crynwr.com

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On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:19 AM John Vella  wrote:

> Agree!
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 07:33 Thomas Mueller,  wrote:
>
>> from Jim Hall:
>>
>>
>> > I don't know why the sources later had an "AMD" statement put on them,
>> > but you cannot claim "proprietary" or "copyright" on something that
>> > was previously released under the GNU General Public License.
>>
>> > It appears that somewhere along the line, someone (at AMD?) had access
>> > to the sources, probably in a larger source tree, and ran a batch job
>> > or script to apply the "AMD" statement to a bunch of source files. And
>> > that happened to catch these GPL and public domain source files. I
>> > believe that was done in error. The original public domain and GPL
>> > declarations trump the latter "AMD" statement.
>>
>>
>> > Resolution:
>>
>>
>> > (1) Let's re-accept the FDNET package into the next FreeDOS
>> distribution.
>>
>> > (2) I'll make a note about this decision in the FreeDOS wiki at
>> > http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages
>> > (this currently has a red "do not include" note on it .. I'll update
>> > to change it a green "include" message)
>>
>> > (3) To prevent future confusion, I'll create a new version of these
>> > source files that *removes* the "AMD" statement, where a previous GPL
>> > or public domain declaration was already made. (I think that's all of
>> > the files in question.) I'll also create (or update, if it exists) a
>> > README file to note the changes to the source files, and why.
>>
>>
>> > I look forward to including networking support again in the next
>> > distribution, which should be FreeDOS 1.3 RC5.
>>
>>
>> > *If you agree or disagree, I'd appreciate your reply to this email.
>> > Agreement can be simply "agree" or "+1". If you disagree, please
>> > discuss. (But consensus from the last discussion favored including
>> > FDNET, so if no one disagrees now, I'll assume no concerns on this.)
>>
>> Agree
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bryan Kilgallin]

Hi Thomas:


OS/2 2.x and Warp could boot DOS from a floppy, but I don't think even
they could run it from a disk partition.


I used OS/2 Warp 4. Being delighted by the speech-recognition interface!


I ran OS/2 from 1.3 to Warp 4 Fixpack 12 until it crashed and destroyed most 
hard drive data sometime during the single-digit days of April 2001.


I struggled to keep it alive. Discovering that my installation disks got 
corrupted!



I even remember my room temperature at that time was 83 F, which was, and still 
is, quite comfortable to me.


My desk temperature is now 27 °C (81 °F).


Now I see no advantage in OS/2's successors (eComStation, ArcaOS) compared to 
choosing between FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux and Haiku which have the advantage of 
being open-source.


Being retired, I don't want to pay ongoing licence fees.

But I am working on nerd-dictation. So I've been filling-up its 
configuration file with exceptions!

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Liam Proven]

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 08:37, Thomas Mueller  wrote:
>
> I remember OS/2 2.x and Warp could run emulated DOS and could also boot and 
> run a specific DOS, but with limitations.
>
> I ran OS/2 from 1.3 to Warp 4 Fixpack 12 until it crashed and destroyed most 
> hard drive data sometime during the single-digit days of April 2001.

You lasted longer than me, then. I was a big fan of OS/2 2.0 and ran
it on 3 or 4 PCs. It was so far ahead of any other PC OS back then, it
was amazing.

But 2.1 broke a bunch of my device drivers, so I lost my mouse, my
(external parallel-port) sound card, and SVGA mode on my 14" CRT.

I tried what was then still codenamed Windows Chicago Beta (it was
before the 95 name had been chosen) and it ran flawlessly, picking up
all my hardware, allowed networking with my flatmate's PC, and had a
better UI.

So I switched.

At work, I ran NT 3.51.

> I even remember my room temperature at that time was 83 F, which was, and 
> still is, quite comfortable to me.

I am "only" 54 so I don't speak Fahrenheit; it was no longer taught in
UK schools by 1971 or so when I started primary school.

Google tells me that's 28º C. Unpleasantly warm but tolerable. Above
about 35º I find it hard to focus at all and I don't think I could
work in a room at 30º.

> After that, I was never again able to boot OS/2 even from the installation or 
> other floppies (Trap 000c or 000e).

You mean, on the same PC? Sounds like something sustained thermal
damage. Early 1990s PCs had poor cooling, because they didn't need
much.

> I then ran DR-DOS 7.03 much of the time before migrating to Linux Slackware.

I think my home computers went:

[Various 8-bits ->] Acorn RISC OS -> OS/2 2 -> Windows 95 -> NT 4 ->
Caldera OpenLinux -> SUSE Professional -> Ubuntu.

I tried lots of other Linuxes and also ran Mac OS X 10.0 through to
10.6, before a long gap of several versions until I could afford an
Intel Mac.

> Now I see no advantage in OS/2's successors (eComStation, ArcaOS) compared to 
> choosing between FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux and Haiku which have the advantage of 
> being open-source.

Honestly, I have to agree.

I want to try ArcaOS. I did get review copies of eComStation.

It runs fine in VMs, but on bare hardware, it's unable to install (or
even boot) on most machines I've tried, and on the ones it can, it's
got as far as corrupting my partitioning (in one instance destroying 3
or 4 other OSes) and then failing to install.

It's a pleasant enough desktop OS, but like MorphOS, to me it feels
clunky and old-fashioned in the 21st century, and the lack of modern
apps is very limiting. If it were cheap, I would use it for nostalgia,
but it's not -- it's priced like the 1990s as well.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Travis Siegel]

On 12/31/2021 11:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote:

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 08:37, Thomas Mueller  wrote:

I remember OS/2 2.x and Warp could run emulated DOS and could also boot and run 
a specific DOS, but with limitations.


I actually had a copy of OS/2 1.33 Extended edition.  If I recall 
correctly, it was something like 40 floppy floppy disks.  I never did 
install it on anything, I gave it to a friend of mine, and I don't think 
he ever installed either, but I at least did have a copy for a short 
period of time. :)


That's as close to OS/2 as I ever got.




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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:42 PM Gabriele Barbone  wrote:
>
> Hello i have a question can freedos run on
> Power Mac G3 G4 ?


Not natively. FreeDOS (like any DOS) needs an Intel CPU and a BIOS;
the PowerMac has neither of those. Instead, you would need to boot
FreeDOS from within MacOS, using a virtual machine or PC emulator.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Gabriele Barbone]

Thanks for answer

Il ven 20 gen 2023, 19:56 Jim Hall  ha scritto:

> On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 12:42 PM Gabriele Barbone 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello i have a question can freedos run on
> > Power Mac G3 G4 ?
>
>
> Not natively. FreeDOS (like any DOS) needs an Intel CPU and a BIOS;
> the PowerMac has neither of those. Instead, you would need to boot
> FreeDOS from within MacOS, using a virtual machine or PC emulator.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall via Freedos-user]

Hi Brian

At the bottom of every email sent to the email list, there's a link back to
a web page where you can unsubscribe.

The direct link is this:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/freedos/lists/freedos-user/unsubscribe


Sorry to see you go. And you're welcome back at any time. I'm the meantime,
feel free to follow FreeDOS via our website.



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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

Hi Anthony,

you might want to try the ODIN distribution, mentioned on the frontpage 
of the www.freedos.org page. another thing you might try is the FreeDOS 
distribution cdrom, but that contains everything in compressed files 
(zip), so a batchfile for unzipping would have been nice (ok, feature 
enhancement)

I'll put a zipfile online soon. (Booting Vmware, installing freedos, 
packing the BIN directory using PKZIP).
.
Bernd

Anthony Deming wrote:

I was wondering if there was anywhere on-line where I might find all 
the programs for FreeDOS in one place, preferably without too many 
directories between them.  I tried going through sourceforge but with 
every file in a different directory and many on an other website 
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

I'm bad at commandline parameters..
download at http://www.fdos.org/ripcord/beta9rc4/beta9pr4.zip [1.2MB]
online I've put a zipfile (does not contain subdirectories so no 
codepage/keyboard files) with all the latest stuff I have.
excluded:
cpi files (codepages for display)
kc files (layout files for keyboard)
recover 0.1
udma 6.9 (6.8 in there)

extra:
you'll notice :)
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Steve Nickolas]

At Wed, 11 Feb 2004 10:53pm +0100, Bernd Blaauw wrote:

> I'm bad at commandline parameters..
> download at http://www.fdos.org/ripcord/beta9rc4/beta9pr4.zip [1.2MB]
> 
> online I've put a zipfile (does not contain subdirectories so no 
> codepage/keyboard files) with all the latest stuff I have.

for InfoZip's "zip", it's -r (recursive). :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

Bernd,

Do you need/want me to post this on the ibiblio site, too?  How shall it 
be referenced on ?  Should I just 
list it in the Errata file?

-jh

Bernd Blaauw wrote:
I'm bad at commandline parameters..
download at http://www.fdos.org/ripcord/beta9rc4/beta9pr4.zip [1.2MB]
online I've put a zipfile (does not contain subdirectories so no 
codepage/keyboard files) with all the latest stuff I have.
excluded:
cpi files (codepages for display)
kc files (layout files for keyboard)
recover 0.1
udma 6.9 (6.8 in there)

extra:
you'll notice :)
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Bernd Blaauw]

that yellow text box at the www.freedos.org frontpage may have a 2nd 
line with
"(as an alternative, download binary zip package here [1.2MB])"

with a link under "here" referring to your mirroring of this zipfile on 
Ibiblio. Don't think Jeremy appreciates mass-downloads on his server :)

should be enough.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[chris evans]

Whats that for?

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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chris evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Whats that for?


That's for spamming. ^_^

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[chris evans]

The external punishment of spamusment?
Who dont want to eat stacks of mystery meat for eternity.



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chris evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

My first thought was that this person was trying to subscribe to the 
list.  But since you can only post to the list IF YOU ARE A MEMBER of 
the list, I realized this was a silly thought.  :-)


Maybe this person is testing that they are (still) subscribed to the 
list by sending a test email.


-jh


chris evans wrote:

Whats that for?

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

26-Май-2006 07:35 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hall) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:

JH> list.  But since you can only post to the list IF YOU ARE A MEMBER of

 2Jim: Jim, one my letter to freedos-devel waits your approval, because
I "not member of a group". What wrong?

 2Blair: I wait your answer, how to upload archives to you.

 2Bart: There is new files (in compare with OW 1.3), for which I don't 
know, which archive is more suitable for them. If you have advise about 
them (or have listing, how to split files between archive _for 1.5_), I 
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Jim Hall]

...


 2Jim: Jim, one my letter to freedos-devel waits your approval, 
because

I "not member of a group". What wrong?


I haven't done list approval in a long time, because there are so many 
spam emails that show up every day (all requiring approval because they 
are "not on the list") and it's very tedious to go through the web 
interface to approve/disapprove them.


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  2Blair: I wait your answer, how to upload archives to you.


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - ems support

[Eric Auer]

> does freedos support ems and if so, how would i go about enabling it?

you simply load himemx and jemm386 (or jemmex, which combines both).

they both come with comprehensive user manuals. in particular with
jemm386, you will probably have to try some options to optimize it.

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - ems support

[Darrin M. Gorski]

It's always nice to have a link too:

https://www.japheth.de/Jemm.html


On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:12 AM Eric Auer  wrote:

> > does freedos support ems and if so, how would i go about enabling it?
>
> you simply load himemx and jemm386 (or jemmex, which combines both).
>
> they both come with comprehensive user manuals. in particular with
> jemm386, you will probably have to try some options to optimize it.
>
> regards, eric
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - ems support

[Leo Kerr]

haven't played with config.sys stuff in a long time so i'm not sure if this
is right but is this line good?

device=C:\fdos\bin\jemmex.exe emx

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 3:55 AM Darrin M. Gorski  wrote:

>
> It's always nice to have a link too:
>
> https://www.japheth.de/Jemm.html
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:12 AM Eric Auer  wrote:
>
>> > does freedos support ems and if so, how would i go about enabling it?
>>
>> you simply load himemx and jemm386 (or jemmex, which combines both).
>>
>> they both come with comprehensive user manuals. in particular with
>> jemm386, you will probably have to try some options to optimize it.
>>
>> regards, eric
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) JAR on Android

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

Actually Android is a modified version of LINUX with
stronger separation of the directories between apps
and other differences. App install files (APK) for
example are vaguely similar to JAR, but with DEX
(which you can decompile to Java) instead of CLASS
files... Wikihow says, to use Java on Android, you
need emulators and root or other ugly tricks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)#Android

I think it would be better to re-compile your existing
Java source code to create APK instead of installing
various tools to run the original JAR file directly?

However, HTML 5 & Javascript / Ecmascript might just
work, so maybe this time Apple is not too wrong? :-)

Cheers, Eric

PS: Flash totally deserves the hate :-p

> How can a .jar be run on Android or iOS? Android is built on some
> bastardized version of JAVA but AFAIK nobody has yet produced a fully
> functional JAVA Runtime Environment (JRE) for Android. As for iOS,
> Apple seems to hate JAVA with as much fury as they do Flash.
> 
> Apple sayeth "#%#@ Flash and JAVA. HTML 5.0 is the future!"


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) JAR on Android

[dmccunney]

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Actually Android is a modified version of LINUX with
> stronger separation of the directories between apps
> and other differences.

Well, sorta.  Technically, Linux is the Linux kernel - vmlizuz on
installations here.  If it uses a Linux kernel, it's a Linux system.
My old Linksys WRT54G Wifi router used a Linux kernel, and was a Linux
system.  Because the Linux kernel was open source, the firmware built
around it was too, and a variety of replacements for the stock
firmware were available,  I ran a package called Tomato.

But Android differs strongly from desktop Linux installations.  Part
of the difference is the perceived end user.  Desktop Linux systems
are multi-user, and more than one person can be logged on and working
at a time.  Android explicitly assumes a single end user, and only on
user on the system as a time.

> App install files (APK) for
> example are vaguely similar to JAR, but with DEX
> (which you can decompile to Java) instead of CLASS
> files... Wikihow says, to use Java on Android, you
> need emulators and root or other ugly tricks...

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language)#Android

The technology is improving. Intel has an open source MultiOS package
that serves as a shim to let you run Java on Android and iOS by
providing interfaces to the underlying system.

> I think it would be better to re-compile your existing
> Java source code to create APK instead of installing
> various tools to run the original JAR file directly?

Given the nature of the devices Android runs on, you are best served
to rebuild specifically for it if writing in Java.  Java is nominally
"Write Once, Run Anywhere", and compiled Java code should run on
anything with a current JRE. (I run IBM's Eclipse IDE, written in
Java, under Windows and Linux here.  I use the *same* binary on both
systems.)

But the differences between things written to run on a desktop or
laptop, and those that are intended to be used on a smartphone or
tablet are vast.  The underlying functionality might be the same, but
the UI and interaction will be dramatically different.  Your code
*can't* be "one size fits all".

> However, HTML 5 & Javascript / Ecmascript might just
> work, so maybe this time Apple is not too wrong? :-)

They are the way things are going.  To make it even more fun, current
compilers are starting to compile to JavaScript instead of machine
code, and the programs will be executed by JavaScript engines doing
JIT compilation to native code, and performance equivalent to
compiling to native code in the first place.

> Cheers, Eric
>
> PS: Flash totally deserves the hate :-p

Agreed.  I run Firefox as my browser.  Flash has been a "top crasher"
for Firefox  for as long as stats have been kept.  Mozilla implemented
a plugin_helper executable called from Firefox as a sandbox plugins
ran in, so a crashing plugin wouldn't take the browser down with it.
Flash was the main reason they did so.  Adobe is still issuing
security patches for the Flash player, but other development has
stopped.  They have a beta toolkit out to assist developers in
migrating from Flash to HTML5/CSS3/JavaScript.

I keep a current Flash player around because some sites I visit use
Flash to good intent, but I'll be delighted when it goes
away.entirely.
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Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject) - FreeDOS install problem Haytam

[Eric Auer]

Hi! My idea was that Haytam can write a more verbose description
when he can use the language he likes most. Unfortunately, this
text (saying he is using Rufus etc.) is not really long either?
More verbose please! Longer problem description & details please!

Regards, Eric

> سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا 
> استخدم برنامج rufus .



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Re: [Freedos-user] (No Subject) - FreeDOS install problem Haytam

[haytam.fr--- via Freedos-user]

hey friend , sorry I did not download completely , redownloaded it and the 
problem fixed , I still have some issues , I found in freedos 1.2:
using command pcisleep list shows my wlan device by Intel with an ?
and my high definition audio device doesn't work , PS speaker works!
sorry for grammar,
I am using an dell latitude e6400 ,

 Original Message 
On Jun 11, 2020, 9:06 PM, Eric Auer wrote:

> Hi! My idea was that Haytam can write a more verbose description
> when he can use the language he likes most. Unfortunately, this
> text (saying he is using Rufus etc.) is not really long either?
> More verbose please! Longer problem description & details please!
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>> سلام عليكم ، انا الان احاول اعادة تحميل ، قد اكون لم احملها كاملا ، انا 
>> استخدم برنامج rufus .
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - ems support - updated drivers!

[Eric Auer]

Hi Leo,

when you have a standard install of FreeDOS, it will
automatically include jemm386 or jemmex, which will
have a readme in the \freedos\doc\jemm386\ directory
or maybe in your case \fdos\doc\jemm386\ directory.
The newest version is from 2020 and probably not yet
part of the default distro install. You can see on

https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel?tab=repositories

that there also is a newer HIMEMX version:

https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/Jemm

https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/HimemX

The readme is here:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/Jemm/master/Readme.txt

There also is a HTML version. Due to the way github works,
you first have to download the HTML to open it locally:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/Jemm/master/Html/Readme.html

Enjoy :-) Regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - problem with 1998 laptop

[Eric Auer]

Hi Šimon,

> OK
> I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down
> the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found
> anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply

In my experience with laptops of people I know, the most
common reasons for this are:

- the battery was dead (main battery or CMOS / clock battery)

- the charger / power supply socket no longer made good contact,
  so while you believe everything is connected, no power arrives

- the charger / power supply no longer worked at all (quite often!)

- or, unlikely, you had to reset the CMOS settings or reinstall the OS

> or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for
> that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to
> handle all operations and may explode.
> Simon

As Mateusz explains, it may still be better to connect the battery,
even if the battery is so weak that your computer switches off a
few seconds after you disconnect the power supply from the AC socket.

Luckily, it is easy to get replacement power supply "bricks". Some
are sold with all sorts of connectors and with adjustable voltage.

You have to make sure to use the right voltage, polarity and plug!
Wrong power replacement choices can permanently damage your laptop.

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - problem with 1998 laptop

[Šimon Dobeš]

Thanks
Simon


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Predmet: Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - problem with 1998 laptop


Hi Šimon,


 OK
 I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down
 the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found
 anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply


In my experience with laptops of people I know, the most
common reasons for this are:

- the battery was dead (main battery or CMOS / clock battery)

- the charger / power supply socket no longer made good contact,
  so while you believe everything is connected, no power arrives

- the charger / power supply no longer worked at all (quite often!)

- or, unlikely, you had to reset the CMOS settings or reinstall the OS


 or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for
 that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to
 handle all operations and may explode.
 Simon


As Mateusz explains, it may still be better to connect the battery,
even if the battery is so weak that your computer switches off a
few seconds after you disconnect the power supply from the AC socket.

Luckily, it is easy to get replacement power supply "bricks". Some
are sold with all sorts of connectors and with adjustable voltage.

You have to make sure to use the right voltage, polarity and plug!
Wrong power replacement choices can permanently damage your laptop.

Regards, Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject) - dos printer network in vmware

[Eric Auer]

Hi!

Not sure why you want to print via network, but if you
want to use network in VMWare, you can use a DOS driver
for any virtual network card of VMWare. No need to use
a driver for the actual network hardware of Windows...
You can also try other virtual computers such as Bochs,
VirtualBox and similar :-)

Eric

PS: When using virtual network hardware, you can even
use Wireless and other modern devices, as long as you
have the WINDOWS driver for those on your Windows 7.

> I'm experimenting with FreeDOS in an effort to find a solution for 
> access to a legacy DOS application.  The environment is an HP laptop 
> (6730s) running Win7 32-bit, VMWare Player v5 and FreeDOS 1.1.  All 
> proceeds smoothly until I try to gain access to a printer share via 
> MSClient.  (This is the only way I can see to get the application to 
> print.)  The challenge occurs when attempting to load the driver for the 
> laptop's ethernet card - a Marvell Yukon.  The driver is named 
> yuknd.dos.
...
> "Controller not found".  What means, if any, are available to get over this?



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