Re: Dim display: inverter or backlight?

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/2/05 8:59 PM, "Matthew Surles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:

> I posted this to the iBooks list last week and got no reply, so I
> apologize to those who have seen this twice.
> 
> Is there anything diagnostic about an LCD's backlight behavior that
> would indicate whether the inverter is going bad or the bulb is dying?
>  I'm too lazy to fix both...
> 
> I have a clamshell iBook with a dim display that I'd like to return to
> it's former glory.  It seems equally dim overall, with the exception
> of the top part of the screen to the left of center, which seems
> darker than the rest.

Dim = Backlight bulb
White or stripes = Inverter or Inverter cable.

Kyle Hansen
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Re: iBook vs. PB etc.

[Mikael Byström]

Aase Marit Waage said:

>One I can get, at a price that seems real OK (at least compared to 
>the prices here in Norway) is a 12" iBook. The add says: G4, 1Ghz, 
>new April 04, 768 MB RAM, 60 GB HD, Airport Extreme, OSX 10.3.6 
>(incl. Garageband and naturally all the others --> doesn't mean a 
>thing to me), DVD/CD-RW. AV-cable for use with projector, TV or 
>similar.

I don't know what you'll pay for this machine, but I'd be wary of iBooks
from this era and onwards, that are sold without Applecare left, unless
you like tinkering with the hardware, looking for second hand spare parts
or am prepared to pay a premium for later repairs and replacements.
If the price is low enough, this may not matter of course. I think the
1Ghz iBooks are quite nice machines otherwise and they probably fit your
usage profile if you can live with the smallish screen. You don't say
what your disability are, but I take it has nothing to do with your
eyesight or similar. 


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Dim display: inverter or backlight?

[Matthew Surles]

I posted this to the iBooks list last week and got no reply, so I
apologize to those who have seen this twice.

Is there anything diagnostic about an LCD's backlight behavior that
would indicate whether the inverter is going bad or the bulb is dying?
 I'm too lazy to fix both...

I have a clamshell iBook with a dim display that I'd like to return to
it's former glory.  It seems equally dim overall, with the exception
of the top part of the screen to the left of center, which seems
darker than the rest.

Thanks for any help,
-matthew surles

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Re: Wireless Card for Wallstreet?

[Mikael Byström]

Jason Long said:

>  Hey All, 
>I'm wondering what kind of wireless card I should get for my 233MHz
>Wallstreet which I should be getting in the mail soon.. I already have a
>wireless network, the wireless router is a DI-514 D-link thanks for the
>ideas in advance...

Orinoco Gold with Airport drivers in OS 9 or opensourced Wirelessdriver
in OS X? 


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Re: WS I and sleep

[Mikael Byström]

James Sanderson said:

>>  ... it could simply be a fluke.
>
>Now that is a positive thought!
>
>But it is strange how an unsupported Mac would have a number of 'small' 
>issues fixed by an OS upgrade.  Kyle, what do you think?

Hey, it's XPostFacto that fixes those things (You can't install Panther
on a Wallstreet without it). And yes, Panther is better, faster and more
compatible on Wallstreets. I ran it for a long time before I upgraded to
a new machine. I dunno why anyone would need anything else


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Re: iBook question again

[Matt Halter]

Aase,
My advice is to buy one with the faster processor.  My G4 800 is a dog 
compared to my wife's 1 gig mhz.  The 30 gig HD  is too small.  You'll 
run out of space fast especially if you have lots of music or photos. 
Built in bluetooth is nice but I would trade it off to get a faster 
processor and larger HD.  Just my 2 cents.

Matt Halter
On Jan 2, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
One I have been looking at, is more expensive than the other one, an 
amount equivalent to what you pay for a used Airport Ex. Base here, 
and it has that one included...

ibook g4 12" , 800 mhz, 256 MB ram, 60 GB HDD, OS X 10.3.7, 2x USB 2, 
1X Firewire, wifi og bluetooth built in, Airport Express base, TV-out 
cable, Original Apple bluetooth mouse (white)
Doesn't say how old it is...

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Re: naming of the second-to-last G3 PowerBooks?

[Clark Martin]

At 6:17 PM -0800 1/2/05, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
At 1:27 PM -0800 1/2/05, dano wrote:
Question about the proper naming - or general naming convention - 
of the G3 PowerBook generation that was next to last.

That is, not the final generation of 400MHz and 500MHz with 
batteries that have a 3/8" protrusion for the contacts (battery 
model number M7318), but the generation before that in which the 
batteries are almost a clean rectangle and the contacts are 
embedded in a slight 1/8" protruberance (battery model number 
M4685).
I believe you are lookong for "Pismo".  IIRC, they ran Wallstreet. 
PDQ, Pismo, Lombard.
It's Wallstreet (including WS II), Lombard and finally Pismo.
Lombard is the second to last G3 model line.
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Re: naming of the second-to-last G3 PowerBooks?

[Shawn Harley]

Without looking at my batteries, here goes...
I think it was Mainstreet/Wallstreet(233, 250, 292), PDQ(233, 266, 
300), Lombard(333,400), and lastly, Pismo(400, 500).

From your battery descriptions, I think you are looking for the 
Wallstreet name (kind of encompasses Mainstreet/Wallstreet/PDQ).

Shawn
On Jan 2, 2005, at 9:17 PM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
At 1:27 PM -0800 1/2/05, dano wrote:
Question about the proper naming - or general naming convention - of 
the G3 PowerBook generation that was next to last.

That is, not the final generation of 400MHz and 500MHz with batteries 
that have a 3/8" protrusion for the contacts (battery model number 
M7318), but the generation before that in which the batteries are 
almost a clean rectangle and the contacts are embedded in a slight 
1/8" protruberance (battery model number M4685).
I believe you are lookong for "Pismo".  IIRC, they ran Wallstreet. 
PDQ, Pismo, Lombard.
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Re: naming of the second-to-last G3 PowerBooks?

[Dennis B. Swaney]

At 1:27 PM -0800 1/2/05, dano wrote:
Question about the proper naming - or general naming convention - of 
the G3 PowerBook generation that was next to last.

That is, not the final generation of 400MHz and 500MHz with 
batteries that have a 3/8" protrusion for the contacts (battery 
model number M7318), but the generation before that in which the 
batteries are almost a clean rectangle and the contacts are embedded 
in a slight 1/8" protruberance (battery model number M4685).
I believe you are lookong for "Pismo".  IIRC, they ran Wallstreet. 
PDQ, Pismo, Lombard.
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Re: Ram in a Wallstreet

[PETE]

I have a wallstreet/300 running OS 9.2.2 and system
profiler does tells me the slots and sizes of the
installed ram. But then as others have already
mentioned your system profiler depends on which OS
you're running but all the OS's that run in a
wallstreet should give you both the slot position,
upper or lower, and size of each stick of ram 
Pete.
--- CR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Right, Apple System Profiler,
> tells me my built in memory,
>   but it doesn't tell me what slots or size of each
> "chip".
> I guess one has to open it up.
> Cliff
> 
> 
> >-PETE <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >apple system profiler under apple menu, top left
> >corner on your desktop.
> >
> >--- CR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  I have 288 installed, though I don't know how it
> is
> >  configured.
> >  Is there a way to tell without opening it up.
> >
> >  I presume its 256 and 32.
> >
> >  Though that seems a little odd.
> >
> >  ???
> >  Cliff
> >
> 
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Wireless Card for Wallstreet?

[Jason Long]

  Hey All, 
I'm wondering what kind of wireless card I should get for my 233MHz
Wallstreet which I should be getting in the mail soon.. I already have a
wireless network, the wireless router is a DI-514 D-link thanks for the
ideas in advance...


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Re: Ram in a Wallstreet

[Clark Martin]

At 1:14 PM -0800 1/2/05, CR wrote:
Right, Apple System Profiler,
tells me my built in memory,
 but it doesn't tell me what slots or size of each "chip".
I guess one has to open it up.
Cliff
Unless you are running an old version of the OS then System Profiler 
will tell you what each slot has.  Look for a triangle next to the 
memory listing and click on it.  The triangle should turn down and 
then more information will be shown.
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Re: iBook question again

[asiafish]

At that price I would also say to go new.  I don't know about European prices, 
but our 
current entry level iBook is a fast 1.2GHz that is more than 50% faster than 
the 
800MHz on account of the faster system bus and double the level 2 cache, making 
it 
faster than even the 1GHz PowerBook I bought last year.  The warranty issue is 
also 
valid, though I can say I've had very good luck with used Apple computers, 
especially 
bought from people on the LEM Swap list (thanks Jared for the GORGEOUS Kanga 
PowerBook).

Andrew


On 2 Jan 2005 at 16:35, larry Zasitko wrote:

> Aase,
> 
> On Jan 2, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am looking around again, as I lost the other one. I got a bit  
> > p*, as the seller had said it would go to the first, and I was the  
> > first and had committed to buy, then he suddenly went on and sold it  
> > to another, mailing me afterwards to tell me... That is not how I do  
> > business... Oh well, maybe he wasn't the right one to buy from...
> To bad that there are people like that around. but as you said,  
> maybe better to find out now then later.
> >
> > I am looking at some other ones now, and have also sent some mails to  
> > some I know of that might have something, and mailed the Apple store  
> > asking if they have a demo model or something like that. I mean,  
> > getting a new one isn't that much more expensive than a used one, they  
> > have more Mhz, but less RAM than most and less HD than many... But,  
> > new is new... Warranty and all...
> >
> > One I have been looking at, is more expensive than the other one, an  
> > amount equivalent to what you pay for a used Airport Ex. Base here,  
> > and it has that one included...
> >
> > ibook g4 12" , 800 mhz, 256 MB ram, 60 GB HDD, OS X 10.3.7, 2x USB 2,  
> > 1X Firewire, wifi og bluetooth built in, Airport Express base, TV-out  
> > cable, Original Apple bluetooth mouse (white)
> > Doesn't say how old it is...
> >
> > I understand that I am not that used to many of the terms used anymore  
> > (and some are new too), I have no clue what wifi means (has to be  
> > something about wireless, I guess, but...). Can somebody explain?
> Bluetooth is nice, real nice I bought a powerBook that came with  
> bluetooth and I have a bluetooth keyboard (Apple), at the same time I  
> bought a single button Apple bluetooth mouse but have since bought a  
> McAlly two button with the scroll wheel. Love being completely  
> wireless. Bluetooth is a short range wireless network up to around 30'  
> or so. Lots of thing these days are bluetooth and you can use it to  
> connect pda's or phones with bluetooth so again, no wires or dock or  
> anything, just move within range and it connects. Airport is what Apple  
> calls their wireless card and in this case it is a seperate base  
> station. No need to string cable all over the house any more, unlike  
> the old days :-)
> >
> > As far as I can see, the downside with it is the RAM, I was hoping for  
> > a bit of luxury on that side, but hopefully it wouldn't cost too much  
> > to buy some extra RAM, maybe eBay would be an idea? The HDD is perfect  
> > for me (used to 6 GB It has 200 Mhz less speed though, the  
> > question is how much of a difference that makes...
> Yes the HD will seem enormous at first but like everything you will  
> over time fill it up. My 80gig currently has around 24gig of music  
> which is a pretty good chunk of it and I never thought I would fill it  
> at first either. Definatly have to add more ram
> >
> > What do you guys think? Is this as interesting as the other iBook, you  
> > think? I should really calculate a bit though, because it is not that  
> > much less than a new one from the cheapest stores here, and then I  
> > wouldn't have any costs on getting it here... But then again, a new  
> > one would be with less RAM and HDD, but a faster processor... Maybe I  
> > can live with only 30 GB, I do have a unused 80GB external one sitting  
> > here, that the Pismo for some reason wouldn't communicate with...  
> > Maybe I would have better luck with sys X...
> Depending on difference I would go new if possible. I have seen to many  
> posts on the forum about people having problems and saying that they  
> will just dump it on ebay.. At least with new you have warranty for  
> up to 3 years...
> In aNY CASE GOOD LUCK



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Re: iBook question again

[larry Zasitko]

Aase,
On Jan 2, 2005, at 2:53 PM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi all,
I am looking around again, as I lost the other one. I got a bit  
p*, as the seller had said it would go to the first, and I was the  
first and had committed to buy, then he suddenly went on and sold it  
to another, mailing me afterwards to tell me... That is not how I do  
business... Oh well, maybe he wasn't the right one to buy from...
To bad that there are people like that around. but as you said,  
maybe better to find out now then later.
I am looking at some other ones now, and have also sent some mails to  
some I know of that might have something, and mailed the Apple store  
asking if they have a demo model or something like that. I mean,  
getting a new one isn't that much more expensive than a used one, they  
have more Mhz, but less RAM than most and less HD than many... But,  
new is new... Warranty and all...

One I have been looking at, is more expensive than the other one, an  
amount equivalent to what you pay for a used Airport Ex. Base here,  
and it has that one included...

ibook g4 12" , 800 mhz, 256 MB ram, 60 GB HDD, OS X 10.3.7, 2x USB 2,  
1X Firewire, wifi og bluetooth built in, Airport Express base, TV-out  
cable, Original Apple bluetooth mouse (white)
Doesn't say how old it is...

I understand that I am not that used to many of the terms used anymore  
(and some are new too), I have no clue what wifi means (has to be  
something about wireless, I guess, but...). Can somebody explain?
Bluetooth is nice, real nice I bought a powerBook that came with  
bluetooth and I have a bluetooth keyboard (Apple), at the same time I  
bought a single button Apple bluetooth mouse but have since bought a  
McAlly two button with the scroll wheel. Love being completely  
wireless. Bluetooth is a short range wireless network up to around 30'  
or so. Lots of thing these days are bluetooth and you can use it to  
connect pda's or phones with bluetooth so again, no wires or dock or  
anything, just move within range and it connects. Airport is what Apple  
calls their wireless card and in this case it is a seperate base  
station. No need to string cable all over the house any more, unlike  
the old days :-)
As far as I can see, the downside with it is the RAM, I was hoping for  
a bit of luxury on that side, but hopefully it wouldn't cost too much  
to buy some extra RAM, maybe eBay would be an idea? The HDD is perfect  
for me (used to 6 GB It has 200 Mhz less speed though, the  
question is how much of a difference that makes...
Yes the HD will seem enormous at first but like everything you will  
over time fill it up. My 80gig currently has around 24gig of music  
which is a pretty good chunk of it and I never thought I would fill it  
at first either. Definatly have to add more ram
What do you guys think? Is this as interesting as the other iBook, you  
think? I should really calculate a bit though, because it is not that  
much less than a new one from the cheapest stores here, and then I  
wouldn't have any costs on getting it here... But then again, a new  
one would be with less RAM and HDD, but a faster processor... Maybe I  
can live with only 30 GB, I do have a unused 80GB external one sitting  
here, that the Pismo for some reason wouldn't communicate with...  
Maybe I would have better luck with sys X...
Depending on difference I would go new if possible. I have seen to many  
posts on the forum about people having problems and saying that they  
will just dump it on ebay.. At least with new you have warranty for  
up to 3 years...
In aNY CASE GOOD LUCK

 

Larry Zasitko
iMac 350mhz, Bondi Blue, 320meg ram, Jaguar
Graphite Clamshell SE, G3 366mhz, 576 meg ram
12" G4 1.33ghz PowerBook, 768 meg ram, Superdrive, Airport Extreme
Newton OMP, 110, 120, 2100 + eMate

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Re: naming of the second-to-last G3 PowerBooks?

[Fabian Fang]

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:27:50 -0800, dano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Question about the proper naming - or general naming convention - of
> the G3 PowerBook generation that was next to last.
> 
> That is, not the final generation of 400MHz and 500MHz with batteries
> that have a 3/8" protrusion for the contacts (battery model number
> M7318), but the generation before that in which the batteries are
> almost a clean rectangle and the contacts are embedded in a slight
> 1/8" protruberance (battery model number M4685).

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iBook question again

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi all,
I am looking around again, as I lost the other one. I got a bit 
p*, as the seller had said it would go to the first, and I was 
the first and had committed to buy, then he suddenly went on and sold 
it to another, mailing me afterwards to tell me... That is not how I 
do business... Oh well, maybe he wasn't the right one to buy from...

I am looking at some other ones now, and have also sent some mails to 
some I know of that might have something, and mailed the Apple store 
asking if they have a demo model or something like that. I mean, 
getting a new one isn't that much more expensive than a used one, 
they have more Mhz, but less RAM than most and less HD than many... 
But, new is new... Warranty and all...

One I have been looking at, is more expensive than the other one, an 
amount equivalent to what you pay for a used Airport Ex. Base here, 
and it has that one included...

ibook g4 12" , 800 mhz, 256 MB ram, 60 GB HDD, OS X 10.3.7, 2x USB 2, 
1X Firewire, wifi og bluetooth built in, Airport Express base, TV-out 
cable, Original Apple bluetooth mouse (white)
Doesn't say how old it is...

I understand that I am not that used to many of the terms used 
anymore (and some are new too), I have no clue what wifi means (has 
to be something about wireless, I guess, but...). Can somebody 
explain?

As far as I can see, the downside with it is the RAM, I was hoping 
for a bit of luxury on that side, but hopefully it wouldn't cost too 
much to buy some extra RAM, maybe eBay would be an idea? The HDD is 
perfect for me (used to 6 GB It has 200 Mhz less speed though, 
the question is how much of a difference that makes...

What do you guys think? Is this as interesting as the other iBook, 
you think? I should really calculate a bit though, because it is not 
that much less than a new one from the cheapest stores here, and then 
I wouldn't have any costs on getting it here... But then again, a new 
one would be with less RAM and HDD, but a faster processor... Maybe I 
can live with only 30 GB, I do have a unused 80GB external one 
sitting here, that the Pismo for some reason wouldn't communicate 
with... Maybe I would have better luck with sys X...

Thanks a lot!
Aase :)
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Internal battery on Ti-Book? Dead?

[Jim Katz]

Have I got an internal battery in a Ti-400 that could be dead or??  I can't
exchange batteries with the unit sleeping or even shut down without crashing
or losing the date and time. Whazzup?
Thanks in advance, as ever.

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Re: Ram in a Wallstreet

[James Sanderson]

On 2 Jan 2005, at 15:14, CR wrote:
Right, Apple System Profiler,
tells me my built in memory,
 but it doesn't tell me what slots or size of each "chip".
I guess one has to open it up.
Cliff
Which OS are you running?  If it's Panther, you go to the apple 
menu>about this Mac.  When the little window opens telling you about 
your Mac, you click on 'more info.'  The system profile window comes up 
and you would click on memory where it tells you what you have where.  
I don't believe Jag did this, however.

Jim S
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naming of the second-to-last G3 PowerBooks?

[dano]

Question about the proper naming - or general naming convention - of 
the G3 PowerBook generation that was next to last.

That is, not the final generation of 400MHz and 500MHz with batteries 
that have a 3/8" protrusion for the contacts (battery model number 
M7318), but the generation before that in which the batteries are 
almost a clean rectangle and the contacts are embedded in a slight 
1/8" protruberance (battery model number M4685).

Thanks for the help.
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Re: USB wireless adaptors

[Mark D. Chapman]

 > I am planning to by a USB wireless adaptor for my=20 iBook (500 Mhz,
dual USB, 10.2.8). Will any=20 adaptor work or do I have to >get one
that=20 specifically works for the Mac? I was in the store and they had

I have the dlink one for my G3 Bronze p-book. Works fine!! I got a
rebate on it when I bought mine and it was maybe 20 bucks altogether.
Search on froogle for a lower prize, 55 sounds too high. Both of these
should be about the same price. Honestly, I'd just get the D-Link at a
better price and use the factory driver and utilities rather than having
to search out a contributed one on the internet. Save yourself the time.
That makes sense. Why fiddle with something when I don't have too.
Thanks, Mark
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Re: WS I and sleep

[James Sanderson]

On 2 Jan 2005, at 13:59, Clark Martin wrote:
At 8:13 AM -0600 1/2/05, James Sanderson wrote:
Here is something I have discovered and would never have thought to 
do so!  I have, as I have mentioned, a WS I/ 233/288.  I had a couple 
of familiar problems with it:  not waking from sleep and the random 
but annoying video white out.  I assumed that the issue was a PMU 
that needed replacing and/or a bad inverter.  However, I proceeded to 
install Panther using XPF because I am both foolhardy and intrepid.  
(In keeping with the season) Lo!  the issue resolved itself!  I have 
had the machine on Panther for 36 hours, turning it off and on a 
couple of times.  I have put the computer to sleep and been able to 
awaken it without a hitch.  I would never have thought that the these 
two issues would be resolved by using an OS that is not intended for 
the machine!  There is a God after all!  Miracles DO happen!.
 ... it could simply be a fluke.
Now that is a positive thought!
But it is strange how an unsupported Mac would have a number of 'small' 
issues fixed by an OS upgrade.  Kyle, what do you think?

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Re: Ram in a Wallstreet

[CR]

Right, Apple System Profiler,
tells me my built in memory,
 but it doesn't tell me what slots or size of each "chip".
I guess one has to open it up.
Cliff

-PETE <[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
apple system profiler under apple menu, top left
corner on your desktop.
--- CR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have 288 installed, though I don't know how it is
 configured.
 Is there a way to tell without opening it up.
 I presume its 256 and 32.
 Though that seems a little odd.
 ???
 Cliff
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Re: "Less is more" or "Bigger is better"

[Kyle Hansen]

On 1/2/05 8:25 AM, "Al Poulin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:

> Is this also true after the first year warrantee expires, while the
> machine is under AppleCare?

Yes.

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Follow-up on 3rd-party Wireless cards (was: X on Wallstreet)

[Bob]

  On 11/9/04, I responded to the following Luis Sequeira quote by saying:

> >Many(802.11g) cards just work right out of the box with the 
>drivers built into the (Apple) OS.
>
>Luis,
> Just to clarify your point a little bit. I'm not sure I would say 
>"many" work right out of the box with the drivers built into the 
>OS." I would be more inclined to say a "few" do. Only the ones that 
>use the Broadcom chipset. There are a handful that I'm aware of that 
>do. But there are a bunch of others out there that will work, but 
>need a 3rd-party driver.
 
Here is the most recent Apple OS/3rd-party card compatibility list 
that I have seen. I tried sending this in Monaco 9 pt. type tabbed 
nice and neat, but it didn't go through. Must be some list 
prohibition of any type of styled text.

Card:  Buffalo  WLICBG54  802.11g
Interface:Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card:  Linksys  WPC54G802.11g
Interface:Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card:  Macsense WPE-800  802.11b
Interface:Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card:  MacWireless  ? 802.11g
Interface:Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card:  MicrosoftMN-720   802.11g
Interface:Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card:  Sitecom  WL-100b 802.11g
Interface:Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card: SonnetG54CB 802.11b/g   (Aria Extreme)
Interface:   Cardbus/Broadcom
OS Support:   10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.1-3.3

Card:   Belkin  F5D7011 802.11g
Interface:  PCMCIA/Broadcom
OS Support:10.2-10.3
Drivers Used: Airport 3.4.1

Ken Vann, you're welcome to use this list on your wirless page if you want.


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Re: WS I and sleep

[Clark Martin]

At 8:13 AM -0600 1/2/05, James Sanderson wrote:
Here is something I have discovered and would never have thought to 
do so!  I have, as I have mentioned, a WS I/ 233/288.  I had a 
couple of familiar problems with it:  not waking from sleep and the 
random but annoying video white out.  I assumed that the issue was a 
PMU that needed replacing and/or a bad inverter.  However, I 
proceeded to install Panther using XPF because I am both foolhardy 
and intrepid.  
(In keeping with the season) Lo!  the issue resolved itself!  I have 
had the machine on Panther for 36 hours, turning it off and on a 
couple of times.  I have put the computer to sleep and been able to 
awaken it without a hitch.  I would never have thought that the 
these two issues would be resolved by using an OS that is not 
intended for the machine!  There is a God after all!  Miracles DO 
happen!
Now if I could...
I've long had a feeling that the OS X isn't accessing the power 
management unit correctly.  This is in older iMacs and PowerBooks.  I 
am also surprised that X.3 would fix it (at least in the WS) since it 
doesn't support the WallStreet.  It is possible however that the PMU 
code got rewritten and closer attention was paid to some specs or it 
could simply be a fluke.
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Re: Greetings

[mlh/home]

larry Zasitko wrote:
Most of the time you can always add more ram than Apple says is max.
Excellent - thanks for your advice.
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Re: Greetings

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michael Vogt wrote:
I would put in as much Ram as you can
I think I shall. Thanks!
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Re: RAM for G4 iBook ( was: Greetings )

[mlh/home]

Al Poulin wrote:
Here's one idea on how to be very specific about RAM versions.  Go to 
the Crucial.com web site.
[snip]
Thanks Al, I actually did that to determine what RAM the iBook needed & 
that's how I knew it would take SODIMM  at all.  I just hoped someone 
would advise me if adding 512Mb would be ok & that's kindly been doine 
so I shall do just that!

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An internal error has occured

[PETE]

I have adobe reader 5.0 im my wallstreet running
9.2.2. I have pdf. files in my hard drive that it
loads and reads with no problems. However, when I
attempt to download any pdf files off the net I keep
getting the above mentioned error message, 'an
internal error has occured'. Any suggestions.
TIA.
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Re: Wallstreet

[Ken]

My Reply follows quote. On 02/01/2005 00:20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>> >The bottom line is "no, you don't have to shut down (or even put to
>> >sleep) your Wallstreet when adding or removing ADB mice or keyboards
>> >or expansion-bay modules." HOWEVER, if the ADB devices have 3rd-party
>> >drivers, they may not be enabled without rebooting (i.e Kensington
>> >multi-button mice).
>> >
>> >
>> >Bob
>>
>>Maybe so, but my quotes were "clipped" directly from the user's
>>manual. Smoke at your own risk!
>
>Darn it, Ken, you made me go look for supporting references. :-)
>
>I didn't have much time, so I didn't come up with the definitive 
>reference(s) that I wanted. But I have a dozen or more email messages 
>(from people that I have known over the years and respect their Mac 
>knowledge) indicating one of the advantages of the Wallstreet (I & 
>II) is the ability to hot-swap ADB devices. It *is* the one and only 
>PB with that capability.
>
>As far as the manual is concerned, page 73 of the PowerBook G3 Series 
>"Macintosh PowerBook User's Manual" states:
>
>"NOTE: You may experience a slight delay if you connect a mouse or 
>other ADB devices while the computer is turned on."
>
>It wouldn't say any such thing -- especially without a warning -- if 
>the ADB port was not hot-swappable.
>
>Please provide the page # for your reference. I still have a 
>gut-feeling that you're quoting from a different manual than the one 
>for the Wallstreet.
>
>
>Bob
-
Well, you may be correct, as the only manual I have is a .pdf and does
not say "pb g3 series." Probably for the earlier version. Will have to
hunt up a more recent version. Thanks for the insight! It is good to 
know that the old beast still has some advantages!

Ken

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Re: iBook vs. PB etc.

[Aase Marit Waage]

One more thing. This one has a Danish keyboard, which might be 
slightly different from the Norwegian one. It has the exact same 
characters, but a couple of them is placed differently. Can you 
change such things? By defining the keyboard differently and maybe 
switching around the key's?
I'd concur with the person who said that iBook should be enough for 
your needs. The biggest issue for you (except for the price, of 
course) would be the size of the screen and the whole unit... just 
look around here or in the recent archives of the list, there's 
still an ongoing discussion about this very topic (subject '"Less is 
more" or "Bigger is better"'). But if you've known PowerBooks for 
more than a decade, I'm sure you have it all figured out already.

There is also an issue with PowerBooks (metallic) looking different 
than iBooks (white), which might be a factor for some people. I know 
it was for me. :)

As for the keyboard, you can definitely switch the layout in Mac OS 
X on the fly. I do it all the time between English and Polish 
keyboards. Of course, that'll mean that some of the Danish key caps 
won't be giving you the characters they promise :), but if you're 
used to Norwegian keyboard scheme, or even touch type, it won't be a 
problem.

I am not sure if you can define your own keyboard scheme in Mac OS X 
(although I think there should be a possibility). There's a program 
called Double Command that can let you switch the modifier keys 
(Command, Control, Option, etc.) and some other stuff -- it was very 
helpful for me to get the Polish accents the way I'm used to.

Good luck with your purchase!
 Marcin Wichary

Hello all,
Thanks so much for your help!!!  I really appreciate it!!!
I just mailed the seller, and said I am willing to buy the iBook for 
the price he asks. It seems like it is a good bet for me.

I touch type, real fast too, so I never look at the keys. So being 
able to change things in Sys X, it should be more than OK for me. And 
if I am really lucky, it will even be possible to loosen the keys 
themselves, and switch them. But that is really not a necessity. I am 
sure that I even would be able to get used to the different places 
for the three characters in question (plus a few other things, I 
think), but the problem is that I still have to live with using a PC 
at work. I also have a Toshiba Portege laptop with XP pro which I use 
for work, travel etc. I am only using that when I have to though, 
because I really don't like it. It is just a necessity... I really 
even prefer using my old PB over that one... I can't help it, I love 
using my Mac, I only use the PC's because I have to, I don't like 
it... :)

Now I am just crossing my fingers!!! I think I will be heading to 
Denmark for a little trip this next weekend, it will be cheaper for 
me to do that than have it shipped... The tickets to go there are 
real cheap...

Aase :)
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Re: "Less is more" or "Bigger is better"

[Al Poulin]

Is this also true after the first year warrantee expires, while the 
machine is under AppleCare?

Thanks,
Kyle Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/1/05 9:29 AM, "Andrew F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the
Cybertrough:
Bigger hard drive is always easy, and 1.33 vs 1.22GHz should be
unnooticeable.   My 12" Powerbook 1GHz has 2 2/3 the storage and more 
speed
from the upgrade to an 80GB 5400RPM TravelStar, in an even smaller and
lighter package.
But if you didn't pay a premium and have Apple do it your warranty is 
now
void.
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Re: RAM for G4 iBook ( was: Greetings )

[Al Poulin]

Here's one idea on how to be very specific about RAM versions.  Go to 
the Crucial.com web site.  Enter you specific model iBook.  Then match 
up the specs given by Crucial with the details on your SODIMM.  Other 
web sites such as OWC (Other World Computing) and vendors advertising 
at lowendmac.com the sponsor of this list can help also.

mlh/home <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm pretty new to my iBook too - its a 12" G4 800 MHz machine fitted
with an airport extreme card & installed with the latest version of Mac
Office but otherwise is standard.  As it happens, I have a 512Mb SODIMM
hanging around that I could bung into the iBook, but don't know if this
is the right thing to do. Given that its got 256Mb hard-wired in, does
that mean my 512Mb SODIMM is too large for it as the total will exceed
640Mb? Anyone care to advise me?
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Re: iBook vs. PB etc.

[Marcin Wichary]

One more thing. This one has a Danish keyboard, which might be 
slightly different from the Norwegian one. It has the exact same 
characters, but a couple of them is placed differently. Can you change 
such things? By defining the keyboard differently and maybe switching 
around the key's?
I'd concur with the person who said that iBook should be enough for 
your needs. The biggest issue for you (except for the price, of course) 
would be the size of the screen and the whole unit... just look around 
here or in the recent archives of the list, there's still an ongoing 
discussion about this very topic (subject '"Less is more" or "Bigger is 
better"'). But if you've known PowerBooks for more than a decade, I'm 
sure you have it all figured out already.

There is also an issue with PowerBooks (metallic) looking different 
than iBooks (white), which might be a factor for some people. I know it 
was for me. :)

As for the keyboard, you can definitely switch the layout in Mac OS X 
on the fly. I do it all the time between English and Polish keyboards. 
Of course, that'll mean that some of the Danish key caps won't be 
giving you the characters they promise :), but if you're used to 
Norwegian keyboard scheme, or even touch type, it won't be a problem.

I am not sure if you can define your own keyboard scheme in Mac OS X 
(although I think there should be a possibility). There's a program 
called Double Command that can let you switch the modifier keys 
(Command, Control, Option, etc.) and some other stuff -- it was very 
helpful for me to get the Polish accents the way I'm used to.

Good luck with your purchase!
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Re: iBook vs. PB etc.

[MTH]

On Jan 2, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Aase Marit Waage wrote:
Hi all,
I am new on this list... Just what I needed right now...  :)
I have had different Power Books since my very first one back in 1992. 
Right now I have a Pismo, one of the few ones with a bronze keyboard 
and FireWire, it is a 400Mhz G3, running sys 9.2. It is getting on my 
nerves now though, because it is too slow, I don't have enough memory, 
have to re-boot often etc. I see that it is time to get a new one. I 
can't afford buying a brand new one though...

I live in Norway, but have found some used iBooks and PB's in Denmark, 
which is not that far, quite cheaply I can either travel there by 
ferry to meet a seller or have a person I know get one for me. I have 
found some options, some iBooks and some PB's. I am a bit in doubt 
though, of which one to choose, and I don't have much time, or some 
offers will be gone real soon, maybe even later today... I can't 
figure out what is really the difference between a PB and and iBook, 
maybe it doesn't matter for me which one I choose.

One I can get, at a price that seems real OK (at least compared to the 
prices here in Norway) is a 12" iBook. The add says: G4, 1Ghz, new 
April 04, 768 MB RAM, 60 GB HD, Airport Extreme, OSX 10.3.6 (incl. 
Garageband and naturally all the others --> doesn't mean a thing to 
me), DVD/CD-RW. AV-cable for use with projector, TV or similar.

My use is primarily home use. I have a disability, so a laptop I can 
use in my recliner is my best bet. I use it a lot for writing, do a 
little bit of web design (just on a hobby basis), lots of web surfing, 
e-mail etc. I just want something that brings me up to OS X, that 
won't make me re-boot all the time, that has enough memory for my use, 
that is quick enough, and preferably with a CD-burner so I can 
download and burn music CD's too.

I would really appreciate any real quick input on this. Do you think 
this one is a good choice for my use? What is really the difference 
between iBooks and PB's, does it really matter which one for my use?

One more thing. This one has a Danish keyboard, which might be 
slightly different from the Norwegian one. It has the exact same 
characters, but a couple of them is placed differently. Can you change 
such things? By defining the keyboard differently and maybe switching 
around the key's?

The price for this one is around $1,100 or something like that, but I 
have seen prices for the same here in Norway that are a lot higher, so 
it should be a good deal for me. Also with this one it would be 
lighter for me, so it would be more easy to take with me when I 
travel, something I don't do with the one I have now, it is too big 
and heavy. The bad news is the smaller screen, but...

Thank you so much, I appreciate it a lot!!!
-Aase :)
It sounds like the iBook you mentioned will fit your needs.
Some of the differences between iBooks and Powerbooks are:
- powerbooks generally have higher screen resolution. (excluding the 
12")
- powerbooks have a PC card slot. (excluding the 12")
- powerbooks have a higher ram capacity, faster video cards, bigger 
caches, more and faster inputs and outputs, larger stock hard drives, 
built in screen spanning, etc.

I have no clue as to wether you can or how you would go about changing 
the keyboard.


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Re: "Less is more" or "Bigger is better"

[Fabian Fang]

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:17:25 -0500, Greg Wallace
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an old MAC-SE. I'm going to put a handle on it and I already have
> a cover I can cut a hole in it so the handle comes through.
> Does anyone have any ideas on where I could find a battery for it?

A post about Macintosh SE on the G-Books List?  You may wish to try
the Vintage Macs or Compact
Macs List.

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Re: Greetings

[michael Vogt]

I would put in as much Ram as you can  I think its PC2100 DDR ram that 
goes in it
go to www.ramseeker.com
Michael & Sharon  Vogt <><
On Jan 2, 2005, at 3:21 AM, mlh/home wrote:
I'm pretty new to my iBook too - its a 12" G4 800 MHz machine fitted 
with an airport extreme card & installed with the latest version of 
Mac Office but otherwise is standard.  As it happens, I have a 512Mb 
SODIMM hanging around that I could bung into the iBook, but don't know 
if this is the right thing to do. Given that its got 256Mb hard-wired 
in, does that mean my 512Mb SODIMM is too large for it as the total 
will exceed 640Mb? Anyone care to advise me?

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Re: "Less is more" or "Bigger is better"

[Greg Wallace]

I have an old MAC-SE. I'm going to put a handle on it and I already have 
a cover I can cut a hole in it so the handle comes through.

Does anyone have any ideas on where I could find a battery for it?

Claire Hart wrote:
Personally, I bought my 12" to use as a true portable, a decision I have
never regretted, especially when I see people trying to use bigger 
laptops
such as Titanium PowerBooks in crowded airplanes.  I actually saw 
some poor
idiot's 17" PowreBook get pushed by a passing flight attendant, the 
result
was a spilled drink on another passenger, the flight attendant visibly in
pain and the PowerBook face down on the floor with a sickening crunch,
followed by a whole lot of shouting by the fool who tried to use a 
massive
shelf of a computer in a confined space.

I just have to say that this is the silliest story I have heard 
against 17" PBs.  While my 17"-er is sometimes too big for my needs 
(as mentioned in Digest #2068), it does NOT extend past the width of 
an airline seat!  If the "poor idiot / fool's" massive PowerBook was 
reducing the width of the isle, it's because maybe he was balancing a 
scanner on his other leg!

American Airlines, 737, coach = 17" seat width
Continental, 737, economy = 17.2" seat width
My 17" PowerBook is 15.5" wide when nothing is plugged in to either 
side --- 17" is the narrowest seat I could find in a quick random 
search at  seatguru.com.

No need to abuse your fellow listas by calling them names just because 
they have different opinions.  Who's the fool for thinking that other 
people are going to believe this story?

Claire

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iBook vs. PB etc.

[Aase Marit Waage]

Hi all,
I am new on this list... Just what I needed right now...  :)
I have had different Power Books since my very first one back in 
1992. Right now I have a Pismo, one of the few ones with a bronze 
keyboard and FireWire, it is a 400Mhz G3, running sys 9.2. It is 
getting on my nerves now though, because it is too slow, I don't have 
enough memory, have to re-boot often etc. I see that it is time to 
get a new one. I can't afford buying a brand new one though...

I live in Norway, but have found some used iBooks and PB's in 
Denmark, which is not that far, quite cheaply I can either travel 
there by ferry to meet a seller or have a person I know get one for 
me. I have found some options, some iBooks and some PB's. I am a bit 
in doubt though, of which one to choose, and I don't have much time, 
or some offers will be gone real soon, maybe even later today... I 
can't figure out what is really the difference between a PB and and 
iBook, maybe it doesn't matter for me which one I choose.

One I can get, at a price that seems real OK (at least compared to 
the prices here in Norway) is a 12" iBook. The add says: G4, 1Ghz, 
new April 04, 768 MB RAM, 60 GB HD, Airport Extreme, OSX 10.3.6 
(incl. Garageband and naturally all the others --> doesn't mean a 
thing to me), DVD/CD-RW. AV-cable for use with projector, TV or 
similar.

My use is primarily home use. I have a disability, so a laptop I can 
use in my recliner is my best bet. I use it a lot for writing, do a 
little bit of web design (just on a hobby basis), lots of web 
surfing, e-mail etc. I just want something that brings me up to OS X, 
that won't make me re-boot all the time, that has enough memory for 
my use, that is quick enough, and preferably with a CD-burner so I 
can download and burn music CD's too.

I would really appreciate any real quick input on this. Do you think 
this one is a good choice for my use? What is really the difference 
between iBooks and PB's, does it really matter which one for my use?

One more thing. This one has a Danish keyboard, which might be 
slightly different from the Norwegian one. It has the exact same 
characters, but a couple of them is placed differently. Can you 
change such things? By defining the keyboard differently and maybe 
switching around the key's?

The price for this one is around $1,100 or something like that, but I 
have seen prices for the same here in Norway that are a lot higher, 
so it should be a good deal for me. Also with this one it would be 
lighter for me, so it would be more easy to take with me when I 
travel, something I don't do with the one I have now, it is too big 
and heavy. The bad news is the smaller screen, but...

Thank you so much, I appreciate it a lot!!!
-Aase :)

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WS I and sleep

[James Sanderson]

Here is something I have discovered and would never have thought to do 
so!  I have, as I have mentioned, a WS I/ 233/288.  I had a couple of 
familiar problems with it:  not waking from sleep and the random but 
annoying video white out.  I assumed that the issue was a PMU that 
needed replacing and/or a bad inverter.  However, I proceeded to 
install Panther using XPF because I am both foolhardy and intrepid.   
(In keeping with the season) Lo!  the issue resolved itself!  I have 
had the machine on Panther for 36 hours, turning it off and on a couple 
of times.  I have put the computer to sleep and been able to awaken it 
without a hitch.  I would never have thought that the these two issues 
would be resolved by using an OS that is not intended for the machine!  
There is a God after all!  Miracles DO happen!
Now if I could...

Have a Merry New Year and be happy in the remaining Christmastide and 
beyond.

Jim Sanderson
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Re: "Less is more" or "Bigger is better" (off-topic)

[Marcin Wichary]

What I'm waiting for is wearables to happen with floating 20" images in
glasses.
We've all been there with the Virtual Reality Craze of last decade... I 
still remember 16-page booklets containing just disclaimers of how 
these kind of glasses can damage your eyes/make you vomit/turn you into 
a serial killer, etc. Based on (commercial) state of the art I've seen 
last year, I'm not sure if the technology is gonna be ready any time 
soon.

I suppose key chords is the only way to go to make that work.
Not sure what you mean here, but it's very interesting for me (I'm an 
interaction designer). I presume you could still use voice commands (as 
ready for prime time as those goggles, I guess), 
mice/trackballs/trackpads shouldn't be a problem, and even keyboards 
for those gifted with touch typists skills?

Maybe wearables never will compete with portables, just open up new
avenues of usage. They really should be around the corner technically,
but there most likely will be yet some time for any siginificant market
demand.
Not sure about the "around the corner" bit, although who knows what 
they're cooking in the research labs at this moment. But the whole idea 
of Augmented Realities is indeed too good not to be  expected with held 
breath.

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Re: Greetings

[larry Zasitko]

Most of the time you can always add more ram than Apple says is max.  
Don't know what your chip is but it may or may not work, maybe if you  
gave more info maybe someone here can advise you.

In any case I have a clamshell iBook (graphite 366) and Apple says the  
max was 320mg. I put in a 512meg card and it works without problems  
(over a year now) so can't see why it would be a problem in yours. In  
my case I bought the ram in Calgary Alberta at Westworld and they  
installed it and tested it.

Larry
On Jan 2, 2005, at 3:21 AM, mlh/home wrote:
Good morning,
New list member here, just saying hello. I'm located in Reading, which  
is in the south east of England.

I'm pretty new to my iBook too - its a 12" G4 800 MHz machine fitted  
with an airport extreme card & installed with the latest version of  
Mac Office but otherwise is standard.  As it happens, I have a 512Mb  
SODIMM hanging around that I could bung into the iBook, but don't know  
if this is the right thing to do. Given that its got 256Mb hard-wired  
in, does that mean my 512Mb SODIMM is too large for it as the total  
will exceed 640Mb? Anyone care to advise me?

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Greetings

[mlh/home]

Good morning,
New list member here, just saying hello. I'm located in Reading, which 
is in the south east of England.

I'm pretty new to my iBook too - its a 12" G4 800 MHz machine fitted 
with an airport extreme card & installed with the latest version of Mac 
Office but otherwise is standard.  As it happens, I have a 512Mb SODIMM 
hanging around that I could bung into the iBook, but don't know if this 
is the right thing to do. Given that its got 256Mb hard-wired in, does 
that mean my 512Mb SODIMM is too large for it as the total will exceed 
640Mb? Anyone care to advise me?

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Re: Video problems on WS I

[James Sanderson]

Forgot about this issue with the 13" WSI.  I should have specified that 
the computer in question is a 12.1".

On 1 Jan 2005, at 23:58, Mikael Byström wrote:
If it's a 13" and the problem kind of phases in, then it's most likely
the display cable that needs replacing (or at least being reinserted). 
If
not the 13" I'm not sure.
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Re: Wallstreet

[Bob]

The National Enquirer reports at 11:16 PM -0800 1/1/05, Ken wrote:

>My Reply follows quote. On 01/01/2005 18:54 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>said:
>
> >>Just checked the User Manual.
> >>
> >>No mention of turning off for Printers.
> >>Shut down of sleep for modems.
> >>WARNING When connecting SCSI equipment, always turn off power to
> >>all devices in the chain, including your computer. If you don't, you
> >>could lose information and damage your equipment.
> >>IMPORTANT You must shut down the computer or put it in sleep before
> >>connecting an ADB device.
> >
> >I don't know which manual you checked, but the ADB devices on a
> >Wallstreet are also hot-swappable. As I recall, it was the 1st
> >PowerBook to be so (and maybe the only one, I'm  not positive about
> >that).
> >
> >Because of the power (5v) on the SCSI line, it has always been "shut
> >down before adding or removing devices" even though some people have
> >gotten by hot-swapping SCSI devices for years.
> >
> >The bottom line is "no, you don't have to shut down (or even put to
> >sleep) your Wallstreet when adding or removing ADB mice or keyboards
> >or expansion-bay modules." HOWEVER, if the ADB devices have 3rd-party
> >drivers, they may not be enabled without rebooting (i.e Kensington
> >multi-button mice).
> >
> >
> >Bob
>
>Maybe so, but my quotes were "clipped" directly from the user's
>manual. Smoke at your own risk!

Darn it, Ken, you made me go look for supporting references. :-)

I didn't have much time, so I didn't come up with the definitive 
reference(s) that I wanted. But I have a dozen or more email messages 
(from people that I have known over the years and respect their Mac 
knowledge) indicating one of the advantages of the Wallstreet (I & 
II) is the ability to hot-swap ADB devices. It *is* the one and only 
PB with that capability.

As far as the manual is concerned, page 73 of the PowerBook G3 Series 
"Macintosh PowerBook User's Manual" states:

"NOTE: You may experience a slight delay if you connect a mouse or 
other ADB devices while the computer is turned on."

It wouldn't say any such thing -- especially without a warning -- if 
the ADB port was not hot-swappable.

Please provide the page # for your reference. I still have a 
gut-feeling that you're quoting from a different manual than the one 
for the Wallstreet.


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