Re: Lombard won't boot.
Hi Caleb, my experience with Jaguar on my Lombard 333 were not that good. Lenghty spinning ball and so on all over the place. Mail in particular was close to being unusable. Even so with a 5400 rpm 40 GB HD and 384MB of RAM. Panther, however, was a whole different world and I still run 10.3.9 on it and been very happy with it generally. cheers, gianfranco Well, I've got my problem fixed, so thanks for all the advice. I'm going to order a new copy of Jaguar from OWC, or, if I can convince my DVD drive to read the Panther recovery DVD I have lying around, I'll install that. It took three tries to get my 9 CD to boot on my machine, so I think my early woes were caused by not holding down C long enough. Thanks again for the help, Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- DSL-Aktion wegen großer Nachfrage bis 28.2.2006 verlängert: GMX DSL-Flatrate 1 Jahr kostenlos* http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
On Sunday 29 January 2006 00:17, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 28/01/06 21:28, Caleb Cupples at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear listers, I restarted my Lombard after all the iApps quit working on my Lombard, and now it's not booting. By iApps, I mean Safari, Mail and iChat, but I digress. It'll boot to the point where it says Waiting for Application Services and then it just sits there. No HD activity, nothing. I'm running 10.2.8, but I've got 9.2.1 on the drive, but I don't know how to switch boot partitions without booting into the Mac OS. I've also got an 8.5 CD that came with the machine, but it won't boot from that. You can try rebooting in 9 by pressing Option immediately after the boot tone and holding it down until you see the Welcome to Mac OS screen. There is probably something wrong with the disk, though, so that might not work either. -Laurent. I decided to go ahead and use my OS 9 install disc to wipe the drive and do a fresh install of 9. Fortunately, I've got all my stuff backed up on my iPod, which is backed up on my Linux machine, which is backed up on a DVD+RW, so I'm safe. Now, does anyone know where I can find a cheap copy of Panther? Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
on 29/01/06 14:33, Caleb Cupples at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 29 January 2006 00:17, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 28/01/06 21:28, Caleb Cupples at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear listers, I restarted my Lombard after all the iApps quit working on my Lombard, and now it's not booting. By iApps, I mean Safari, Mail and iChat, but I digress. It'll boot to the point where it says Waiting for Application Services and then it just sits there. No HD activity, nothing. I'm running 10.2.8, but I've got 9.2.1 on the drive, but I don't know how to switch boot partitions without booting into the Mac OS. I've also got an 8.5 CD that came with the machine, but it won't boot from that. You can try rebooting in 9 by pressing Option immediately after the boot tone and holding it down until you see the Welcome to Mac OS screen. There is probably something wrong with the disk, though, so that might not work either. -Laurent. I decided to go ahead and use my OS 9 install disc to wipe the drive and do a fresh install of 9. Fortunately, I've got all my stuff backed up on my iPod, which is backed up on my Linux machine, which is backed up on a DVD+RW, so I'm safe. Now, does anyone know where I can find a cheap copy of Panther? Look on eBay, www.smalldog.com, megamacs.com, they should have cheap copy. You can also check dealmac.com for best deals. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] elder days n.: The heroic age of hackerdom (roughly, pre-1980); the era of the PDP-10, TECO, ITS, and the ARPANET. This term has been rather consciously adopted from J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy epic The Lord of the Rings. Compare Iron Age; see also elvish and Great Worm. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:16 AM, David Rodriguez wrote: Caleb, Here's what to try. Follow carefully. Learned this from someone who knows. Have you tried fsck method? What you want to do is shut down or restart, hold down the Command and S key. You will then get a bunch of text scrolling across the screen. Once this starts, you can let off the keys. It will continue until it stops and gives you a prompt Great idea Also, I'm not sure if you are a victim of the Lombard issue with OS X that I am :)) but to get it to start I have to push the small reset button on the back of my Lombard before every start up. Works every time -- Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1st/pci-powermacs, G and swap-list nanny Wear short sleeves! Support your right to bare arms! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
On Sunday 29 January 2006 14:33, Tim wrote: Great idea Also, I'm not sure if you are a victim of the Lombard issue with OS X that I am :)) but to get it to start I have to push the small reset button on the back of my Lombard before every start up. Works every time Tim, if you're having to do that, the L2 cache has failed on your machine, it sounds like to me. Mine doesn't have that problem, fortunately. Does anyone know of any good wireless cards that work with 9, since my Aria Extreme doesn't work with OS 9. I'm needing a good wireless fix, since my budget prevents me from going back X, unless I go back to Jaguar, and I don't want to go through that bundle of problems again. Does anyone know if a clean Jaguar install would be stable enough to work with, or would Panther be better on a Lombard? Specs: G3/400 192 MB RAM 6 GB HD DVD-ROM drive Thanks in advance, Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: Does anyone know of any good wireless cards that work with 9, since my Aria Extreme doesn't work with OS 9. I'm needing a good wireless fix, since my budget prevents me from going back X, unless I go back to Jaguar, and I don't want to go through that bundle of problems again. Pick your card from: http://home.earthlink.net/~metaphyzx/Wireless.htm -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Tim, What I grew to realize with my Lombard with the bad cache is that it's just much better and easier on the book to let it sleep overnight rather then shut down. While the reset was no real hassle, allowing it to sleep is easier on the power switch anyhow, bad cache or not.So like with any system, once in a while I would reboot, just to clear things out. And once a month, I began to use the fsck method as well as DiskWarrior, simply as a matter of preventative maintenance on both my desktop and book. I do the same sleep overnight and maintenance with my new TiBook now. I never found the bad L2 cache to be an issue for me except when maybe the short time I was running OS9 on it, then it would give the alert at startup, which took a simple click of the mouse, as well as the reset. It ran much better under Jaguar, then better under Panther, and even better under Tiger (which of course requires either XpostFacto or installing Tiger on the drive, while it is hooked up to another supported system). So Caleb, definitely Panther is better then Jaguar but both ran well. That said, since I now have a newer book, I have put my Lombard up for sale, and while it has been very dependable, I will be saying bye to it soon. Dave Also, I'm not sure if you are a victim of the Lombard issue with OS X that I am :)) but to get it to start I have to push the small reset button on the back of my Lombard before every start up. Works every time Tim -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Well, I've got my problem fixed, so thanks for all the advice. I'm going to order a new copy of Jaguar from OWC, or, if I can convince my DVD drive to read the Panther recovery DVD I have lying around, I'll install that. It took three tries to get my 9 CD to boot on my machine, so I think my early woes were caused by not holding down C long enough. Thanks again for the help, Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Caleb, Hold down the '9' key while booting - hopefully you'll be able to boot into OS 9. One alternative is that you may be able to do a 'safe' boot in OS X and recover your files. Just hold down the Shift key while booting - this may help prevent the 'Services' hang. Sounds like you need to repair the disk with something like DiskWarrior. If you're lucky, Apple's Disk Utility will fix it for you. Otherwise, you might be looking at a fresh format and install - hopefully you have a recent backup or are able to recover your files beforehand. Good luck, Rick On Jan 28, 2006, at 9:28 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: Dear listers, I restarted my Lombard after all the iApps quit working on my Lombard, and now it's not booting. By iApps, I mean Safari, Mail and iChat, but I digress. It'll boot to the point where it says Waiting for Application Services and then it just sits there. No HD activity, nothing. I'm running 10.2.8, but I've got 9.2.1 on the drive, but I don't know how to switch boot partitions without booting into the Mac OS. I've also got an 8.5 CD that came with the machine, but it won't boot from that. Any help will be appreciated, Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Caleb, Here's what to try. Follow carefully. Learned this from someone who knows. Have you tried fsck method? What you want to do is shut down or restart, hold down the Command and S key. You will then get a bunch of text scrolling across the screen. Once this starts, you can let off the keys. It will continue until it stops and gives you a prompt. Type in fsck -yMake sure you leave a space after the k. Then push Enter. Let it do its thing. It will begin repairing any corrupted unix files used by OSX. When it is done, you can do it again. After its says repairs have been made, then type logout If you use a Journaled Disk, then you want to type infsck -f instead. This will force repair. The regular OSX will then begin booting up. You should then restart. This has repaired some of the most major problems but instructions must be followed to the letter. If anybody would like to add to this before Caleb uses it, please do. Dave -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
on 28/01/06 21:28, Caleb Cupples at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear listers, I restarted my Lombard after all the iApps quit working on my Lombard, and now it's not booting. By iApps, I mean Safari, Mail and iChat, but I digress. It'll boot to the point where it says Waiting for Application Services and then it just sits there. No HD activity, nothing. I'm running 10.2.8, but I've got 9.2.1 on the drive, but I don't know how to switch boot partitions without booting into the Mac OS. I've also got an 8.5 CD that came with the machine, but it won't boot from that. You can try rebooting in 9 by pressing Option immediately after the boot tone and holding it down until you see the Welcome to Mac OS screen. There is probably something wrong with the disk, though, so that might not work either. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] guiltware: /gilt'weir/ n. 1. A piece of freeware decorated with a message telling one how long and hard the author worked on it and intimating that one is a no-good freeloader if one does not immediately send the poor suffering martyr gobs of money. 2. A piece of shareware that works. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Thanks, Clark. I'm not sure where I read--or got--the info about open firmware. At the time I was having problems with a WS II. I was never able to open firmware with 9, but could with X. Maybe me fingers waren't workin' rright! Thanks, again for the info. J Sanderson On 2 Jan 2006, at 21:49, Clark Martin wrote: At 9:02 PM -0600 1/2/06, James Sanderson wrote: I may be wrong, but Open Firmware is something you can do in X not 9. To paraphrase the adage, many many problems begin with memory. Try swapping out what's in with known working memory or take out one of the sticks, to see if it boots. You would need to play around with this, but it could be the heart of the problem. Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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ah ha! Here's the catch! and the reason for my not being able to boot to Open Firmware on the WS II. And why Kristina can't do it either. Now I know the rest of the story! Again, ta! J Sanderson On 2 Jan 2006, at 22:48, John McGibney wrote: Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John According to Apple: Beginning with Power Macintosh computers with PCI slots, Power Macintosh computers rely on a firmware operating system called Open Firmware for controlling hardware. Open Firmware is a cross- platform firmware standard for controlling hardware and is used by all PCI-based Mac OS computers. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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If this is so, and Clark says he could do this on a WS, I wonder what I was doing wrong. Still, the suggestion in the past has been to start with the memory. If it's the L2 cache (which is a memory register--if that's the right term), you'll have to swap with a compatible processor card. Well, I'll just be quiet now and learn from you good folks! J Sanderson On 2 Jan 2006, at 23:15, Caleb Cupples wrote: The Lombard does have OF, because I've used it before. It's a NewWorld machine, similar to the Pismo. HTH, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 23:08 America/Chicago, Clark Martin wrote: At 11:48 PM -0500 1/2/06, John McGibney wrote: Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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If it's the L2, it shouldn't be doing that. To me, it sounds like a failing hard drive or a corrupted partition, but that's my just my Windoze experience talking. Personally, I'd use the chance to go ahead and upgrade to OS X, but that's just what I'd do. It all depends on how much RAM you have, though. James, I've learned a lot from you, as well, so I think it's mutual. Hope this can be of some use, Caleb P.S. Note how there are a lot of Lombard questions popping up over the past couple of days, between my wireless pain and her OS 9 troubles? We may have to setup a Lombard list... CSC -- I've half a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it. - Groucho Marx On Tuesday, Jan 3, 2006, at 05:18 America/Chicago, James Sanderson wrote: If this is so, and Clark says he could do this on a WS, I wonder what I was doing wrong. Still, the suggestion in the past has been to start with the memory. If it's the L2 cache (which is a memory register--if that's the right term), you'll have to swap with a compatible processor card. Well, I'll just be quiet now and learn from you good folks! J Sanderson On 2 Jan 2006, at 23:15, Caleb Cupples wrote: The Lombard does have OF, because I've used it before. It's a NewWorld machine, similar to the Pismo. HTH, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 23:08 America/Chicago, Clark Martin wrote: At 11:48 PM -0500 1/2/06, John McGibney wrote: Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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on 1/3/06 5:11 AM, James Sanderson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah ha! Here's the catch! and the reason for my not being able to boot to Open Firmware on the WS II. And why Kristina can't do it either. Now I know the rest of the story! According to Apple: Beginning with Power Macintosh computers with PCI slots, Power Macintosh computers rely on a firmware operating system called Open Firmware for controlling hardware. Open Firmware is a cross- platform firmware standard for controlling hardware and is used by all PCI-based Mac OS computers. ;s'cuse me? Did I miss something? My Lombard can't do open firmware? I remember when I first got this machine, some list friend directed me to open to that grey screen and type reset all and it worked. I was able to reset whatever it needed and it read the install disk so I could reformat the HD. I had bought the PB off ebay...many dollars ago. Long story/short story... I replaced the HD, the processor added max RAM and a new CDR drive... So I am not sure I am using the right cmd+opt+O+F sequence for the Lombard. PCI slot? Isn't that where my Orinoco Gold card goes? and my PCIMA card? Kristina [CST] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Yeah, the Lombard does have OF. I've used OpenFirmware on a 3400 before as well. On 03/01/2006, at 3:45 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: The Lombard does have OF, because I've used it before. It's a NewWorld machine, similar to the Pismo. HTH, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 23:08 America/Chicago, Clark Martin wrote: At 11:48 PM -0500 1/2/06, John McGibney wrote: Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John According to Apple: Beginning with Power Macintosh computers with PCI slots, Power Macintosh computers rely on a firmware operating system called Open Firmware for controlling hardware. Open Firmware is a cross-platform firmware standard for controlling hardware and is used by all PCI-based Mac OS computers. PowerBook 3400 and on are PCI based. I haven't tried it on a 3400 or G3 but I haved used OF on a WallStreet. I don't recall if I've tried on a Lombard. You may be confusing OF with NewWorld. The Wallstreet is Old World, I think the Pismo IS New World but I don't know off hand about the Lombard. On Jan 2, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Kristina wrote: It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. I thot you hold them down all together... Kristina -- If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? They are, they just don't know it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Kristina, Try booting into Open Firmware and typing reset-all, I believe. I'm not completely sure, at this rate, but the info is on Apple's site, I think. Also, if you have the original CD that came with the 'Book, you can try booting from that. Email me offlist if you don't have it, and I'll see what I can dig up. Hope this helps, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 12:07 America/Chicago, Kristina wrote: I put it [G3-OS9.2] to sleep last night...was working fine except sometimes the keyboard doesn't respond...I was thinking it might need replaced, I've had to replace everything else...why not! This morning I turned it on, went to get coffee and when I came back it was at the desktop and frozen. Great! I force quit control+apple+ on/off button nothing I try to rebuild the destop with extensions off...and half way thru the startup list of extensions it froze Now I can't wake it up I tried reset button...the first time it came opened to the G3 powerbook Icon wallpaper thingy and dialog box saying your computer did not shut down properly Disk Aid will perform necessary repairs... when I clicked done it said that Disk Aid had performed an illegal operation and is interfering with start up ...or something like that. I tried to start up from a CD w Disk Warrior...I had to pop out the CD drive and pin open the drive to load the CD. reset button to start up from CD black as tar. I hear fan/processor /something going on. The HD is partitioned so there is a system folder on two of the partitions...one has disk warrior on it...the other one is my main brain. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Thanks for the help Caleb, I found the instructions for Open firmware snip Using Open Firmware Holding down COMMAND + OPTION + O + F used the reset button too and it did boot but did NOT go to grey screen or a prompt to reset-all... hmmm did I do that right? It gave the usual disk aid notice...and then this ALARMING one! Built in memory test has detected a problem. Please contact a service technician for advice. clicked OK...and everything looked normal. I was able to reboot using the other partition which holds disk warrior and ran disk warrior. When I went to change it back to the main brain it locked up...and a force restart takes me back to black. service technicians?... any advice? Kristina near Chicago Kristina, Try booting into Open Firmware and typing reset-all, I believe. I'm not completely sure, at this rate, but the info is on Apple's site, I think. Also, if you have the original CD that came with the 'Book, you can try booting from that. Email me offlist if you don't have it, and I'll see what I can dig up. Hope this helps, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 12:07 America/Chicago, Kristina wrote: I put it [G3-OS9.2] to sleep last night...was working fine except sometimes the keyboard doesn't respond...I was thinking it might need replaced, I've had to replace everything else...why not! This morning I turned it on, went to get coffee and when I came back it was at the desktop and frozen. Great! I force quit control+apple+ on/off button nothing I try to rebuild the destop with extensions off...and half way thru the startup list of extensions it froze Now I can't wake it up I tried reset button...the first time it came opened to the G3 powerbook Icon wallpaper thingy and dialog box saying your computer did not shut down properly Disk Aid will perform necessary repairs... when I clicked done it said that Disk Aid had performed an illegal operation and is interfering with start up ...or something like that. I tried to start up from a CD w Disk Warrior...I had to pop out the CD drive and pin open the drive to load the CD. reset button to start up from CD black as tar. I hear fan/processor /something going on. The HD is partitioned so there is a system folder on two of the partitions...one has disk warrior on it...the other one is my main brain. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
I may be wrong, but Open Firmware is something you can do in X not 9. To paraphrase the adage, many many problems begin with memory. Try swapping out what's in with known working memory or take out one of the sticks, to see if it boots. You would need to play around with this, but it could be the heart of the problem. HTH, J Sanderson On 2 Jan 2006, at 21:02, Kristina wrote: Thanks for the help Caleb, I found the instructions for Open firmware snip Using Open Firmware Holding down COMMAND + OPTION + O + F used the reset button too and it did boot but did NOT go to grey screen or a prompt to reset-all... hmmm did I do that right? It gave the usual disk aid notice...and then this ALARMING one! Built in memory test has detected a problem. Please contact a service technician for advice. clicked OK...and everything looked normal. I was able to reboot using the other partition which holds disk warrior and ran disk warrior. When I went to change it back to the main brain it locked up...and a force restart takes me back to black. service technicians?... any advice? Kristina near Chicago Kristina, Try booting into Open Firmware and typing reset-all, I believe. I'm not completely sure, at this rate, but the info is on Apple's site, I think. Also, if you have the original CD that came with the 'Book, you can try booting from that. Email me offlist if you don't have it, and I'll see what I can dig up. Hope this helps, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 12:07 America/Chicago, Kristina wrote: I put it [G3-OS9.2] to sleep last night...was working fine except sometimes the keyboard doesn't respond...I was thinking it might need replaced, I've had to replace everything else...why not! This morning I turned it on, went to get coffee and when I came back it was at the desktop and frozen. Great! I force quit control+apple+ on/off button nothing I try to rebuild the destop with extensions off...and half way thru the startup list of extensions it froze Now I can't wake it up I tried reset button...the first time it came opened to the G3 powerbook Icon wallpaper thingy and dialog box saying your computer did not shut down properly Disk Aid will perform necessary repairs... when I clicked done it said that Disk Aid had performed an illegal operation and is interfering with start up ...or something like that. I tried to start up from a CD w Disk Warrior...I had to pop out the CD drive and pin open the drive to load the CD. reset button to start up from CD black as tar. I hear fan/processor /something going on. The HD is partitioned so there is a system folder on two of the partitions...one has disk warrior on it...the other one is my main brain. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
on 1/2/06 9:02 PM, James Sanderson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may be wrong, but Open Firmware is something you can do in X not 9. To paraphrase the adage, many many problems begin with memory. http://www.netneurotic.de/mac/openfirmware.html has more info than I really wanted to know... sigh Try swapping out what's in with known working memory or take out one of the sticks, to see if it boots. You would need to play around with this, but it could be the heart of the problem. The memory is new...Wegener installed max memory when we replace the processor...in September or October... I don't know how to mess with the memory SIGH Kristina HTH, J Sanderson On 2 Jan 2006, at 21:02, Kristina wrote: Thanks for the help Caleb, I found the instructions for Open firmware snip Using Open Firmware Holding down COMMAND + OPTION + O + F used the reset button too and it did boot but did NOT go to grey screen or a prompt to reset-all... hmmm did I do that right? It gave the usual disk aid notice...and then this ALARMING one! Built in memory test has detected a problem. Please contact a service technician for advice. clicked OK...and everything looked normal. I was able to reboot using the other partition which holds disk warrior and ran disk warrior. When I went to change it back to the main brain it locked up...and a force restart takes me back to black. service technicians?... any advice? Kristina near Chicago Kristina, Try booting into Open Firmware and typing reset-all, I believe. I'm not completely sure, at this rate, but the info is on Apple's site, I think. Also, if you have the original CD that came with the 'Book, you can try booting from that. Email me offlist if you don't have it, and I'll see what I can dig up. Hope this helps, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 12:07 America/Chicago, Kristina wrote: I put it [G3-OS9.2] to sleep last night...was working fine except sometimes the keyboard doesn't respond...I was thinking it might need replaced, I've had to replace everything else...why not! This morning I turned it on, went to get coffee and when I came back it was at the desktop and frozen. Great! I force quit control+apple+ on/off button nothing I try to rebuild the destop with extensions off...and half way thru the startup list of extensions it froze Now I can't wake it up I tried reset button...the first time it came opened to the G3 powerbook Icon wallpaper thingy and dialog box saying your computer did not shut down properly Disk Aid will perform necessary repairs... when I clicked done it said that Disk Aid had performed an illegal operation and is interfering with start up ...or something like that. I tried to start up from a CD w Disk Warrior...I had to pop out the CD drive and pin open the drive to load the CD. reset button to start up from CD black as tar. I hear fan/processor /something going on. The HD is partitioned so there is a system folder on two of the partitions...one has disk warrior on it...the other one is my main brain. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
On Jan 2, 2006, at 21:55, G-Books wrote: It gave the usual disk aid notice...and then this ALARMING one! Built in memory test has detected a problem. Please contact a service technician for advice. clicked OK...and everything looked normal. I was able to reboot using the other partition which holds disk warrior and ran disk warrior. When I went to change it back to the main brain it locked up...and a force restart takes me back to black. service technicians?... any advice? Kristina near Chicago I'm not a service technician but sounds like you may have lost the L2 cache memory. From an earlier post: If the L2 cache is bad you will get a warning on start up: the built in memory test has detected a problem with cache memory. Please contact a service technician for assistance In OS9 Apple system profiler will report External L2 cache: Not Installed if the cache is bad. In OS 10.3.9 (panther) About This Mac will take you to the system profiler (click on More Info) where it will report L2 Cache (per CPU) 1MB if the cache is good. I ran a Lombard (OS 9.2.2) with a bad cache chip and it started fine (with the scary message) but it tended to have problems waking from sleep. I replaced the processor card (about $50 on the swap list) and it's been much better since then. You can also have the cache chip repaired (about $100) or get a G4 upgrade (about $300). Good luck Andrew in Ann Arbor technology is the answer, what was the question? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
At 9:02 PM -0600 1/2/06, James Sanderson wrote: I may be wrong, but Open Firmware is something you can do in X not 9. To paraphrase the adage, many many problems begin with memory. Try swapping out what's in with known working memory or take out one of the sticks, to see if it boots. You would need to play around with this, but it could be the heart of the problem. Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. Did I do the right sequence? Cmd + Opt +O+F? Why didn't I get the grey screen. And if it is the L2 cache I will have to send it somewhere. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 10:06 PM -0600 1/2/06, Kristina wrote: Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. Did I do the right sequence? Cmd + Opt +O+F? That is it, to be applied immediately after power up or reset. Why didn't I get the grey screen. What did you get? And if it is the L2 cache I will have to send it somewhere. You could replace the CPU card (which includes the L2). But you don't know yet if that is the problem. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. Hope this helps. Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 22:06 America/Chicago, Kristina wrote: Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. Did I do the right sequence? Cmd + Opt +O+F? Why didn't I get the grey screen. And if it is the L2 cache I will have to send it somewhere. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
i don't think it's a sequence, i recently did this and pressed them all down at the same time and it worked on the second try. david On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Caleb Cupples wrote: It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. Hope this helps. Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 22:06 America/Chicago, Kristina wrote: Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. Did I do the right sequence? Cmd + Opt +O+F? Why didn't I get the grey screen. And if it is the L2 cache I will have to send it somewhere. Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. I thot you hold them down all together... Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John According to Apple: Beginning with Power Macintosh computers with PCI slots, Power Macintosh computers rely on a firmware operating system called Open Firmware for controlling hardware. Open Firmware is a cross-platform firmware standard for controlling hardware and is used by all PCI- based Mac OS computers. On Jan 2, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Kristina wrote: It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. I thot you hold them down all together... Kristina -- If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
on 1/2/06 10:03 PM, Clark Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:06 PM -0600 1/2/06, Kristina wrote: Open Firmware is what controls the boot up of the computer. It is there regardless of what OS you are booting into be it X, 9, Linux, etc. Did I do the right sequence? Cmd + Opt +O+F? That is it, to be applied immediately after power up or reset. check Why didn't I get the grey screen. What did you get? regular startup sequence and the usual disk aid notice...and then this ALARMING one! Built in memory test has detected a problem. Please contact a service technician for advice. clicked OK...and everything looked normal. I was able to reboot using the other partition which holds disk warrior and ran disk warrior. When I went to change it back to the main brain it locked up...and a force restart takes me back to black. And if it is the L2 cache I will have to send it somewhere. You could replace the CPU card (which includes the L2). But you don't know yet if that is the problem. If it costs money this Lombard will need it! Kristina -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
At 11:48 PM -0500 1/2/06, John McGibney wrote: Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John According to Apple: Beginning with Power Macintosh computers with PCI slots, Power Macintosh computers rely on a firmware operating system called Open Firmware for controlling hardware. Open Firmware is a cross-platform firmware standard for controlling hardware and is used by all PCI-based Mac OS computers. PowerBook 3400 and on are PCI based. I haven't tried it on a 3400 or G3 but I haved used OF on a WallStreet. I don't recall if I've tried on a Lombard. You may be confusing OF with NewWorld. The Wallstreet is Old World, I think the Pismo IS New World but I don't know off hand about the Lombard. On Jan 2, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Kristina wrote: It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. I thot you hold them down all together... Kristina -- If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? They are, they just don't know it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot
The Lombard does have OF, because I've used it before. It's a NewWorld machine, similar to the Pismo. HTH, Caleb On Monday, Jan 2, 2006, at 23:08 America/Chicago, Clark Martin wrote: At 11:48 PM -0500 1/2/06, John McGibney wrote: Isn't the Lombard too old a design for Open Firmware? According to Mactracker Hardware Test isn't supported. The Pismo is the first Powerbook that is. John According to Apple: Beginning with Power Macintosh computers with PCI slots, Power Macintosh computers rely on a firmware operating system called Open Firmware for controlling hardware. Open Firmware is a cross-platform firmware standard for controlling hardware and is used by all PCI-based Mac OS computers. PowerBook 3400 and on are PCI based. I haven't tried it on a 3400 or G3 but I haved used OF on a WallStreet. I don't recall if I've tried on a Lombard. You may be confusing OF with NewWorld. The Wallstreet is Old World, I think the Pismo IS New World but I don't know off hand about the Lombard. On Jan 2, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Kristina wrote: It's Opt+Cmd+O+F, or, at least that's what the Apple site says. I thot you hold them down all together... Kristina -- If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? They are, they just don't know it. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot after HD replacement
Notch one up for the IBM Travelstar on the Lombard (mines 333Mhz). Got a 20 Gb, way back - can't even remember when after 10.1 came out I thing. Installed it myself. No probs since then. Now running 10.3. I had the same problem with my Lombard 400. The Fujitsu drive I ordered from Other World Computing absolutely would not boot. After a lot of trouble shooting, OWC determined the drive was not compatible with my 'Book. Swapped it for an IBM Travelstar, and never looked back. -- Cheers, Bob Shutts -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot after HD replacement
On 2004-Apr-03, at 23:18, Kevin Thomas wrote: So I go thru the install of Panther and when it finishes the first disc it goes right back to the beginning of the install processnever asks for the second disc. I saw this, but when I installed 10.2 on my Pismo. Do you have *any* peripherals attached during the installation, such as a printer? Try disconnecting them. Ed. -- Edward Floden mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TechRen Enterprises - Audio Conversion Web services http://www.techren.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot after HD replacement
Kevin Thomas Wrote: I'm stumped...I was running Panther on my Lombard 400 with 192 MB Ram and the original 6 gig hard drive. I decided to replace the 6 with a 10 gig. So I go thru the install of Panther and when it finishes the first disc it goes right back to the beginning of the install processnever asks for the second disc. Reboot won't see the hard drive to startup but goes to the cd and boots off the disc. The hard drive shows up on the desktop but it won't boot. I had the same problem with my Lombard 400. The Fujitsu drive I ordered from Other World Computing absolutely would not boot. After a lot of trouble shooting, OWC determined the drive was not compatible with my 'Book. Swapped it for an IBM Travelstar, and never looked back. -- Cheers, Bob Shutts -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot up
Chief, You wrote: how can I use the printer and scanner? There are no OS X drivers for them. Most older Epson printers can still be used under OS X by installing Gimp-print and Ghostscript software, available here: http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php3 Many SCSI scanners can be controlled by installing Vue-Scan software. Check here for supported scanner models: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported I've seen Lombards selling in the $300-$500 range - keep an eye out on the LowEndMac swap list here: http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html The Lombard is the last PowerBook model to include a built-in SCSI port. I've heard reports of varying success (mostly failure) using USB-SCSI adapters with newer machines. Hope this helps. Rick -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Lombard won't boot up
Hello. SCSI Question. Does anyone have any Powerbook G3 scsi devices recognized in OS 10.2.8? I have thought that the particular MESH to the scsi on the wallstreet and Lombard were not recognized by OSX. Am I overlooking something useful hear? TIA -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Smykla Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 6:32 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: Lombard won't boot up Chief, You wrote: how can I use the printer and scanner? There are no OS X drivers for them. Most older Epson printers can still be used under OS X by installing Gimp-print and Ghostscript software, available here: http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php3 Many SCSI scanners can be controlled by installing Vue-Scan software. Check here for supported scanner models: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported I've seen Lombards selling in the $300-$500 range - keep an eye out on the LowEndMac swap list here: http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html The Lombard is the last PowerBook model to include a built-in SCSI port. I've heard reports of varying success (mostly failure) using USB-SCSI adapters with newer machines. Hope this helps. Rick -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
