Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-12 Thread Peter Saint James


On 4 Dec 2005, at 12:18 PM, Amber R. wrote:



The primary problems I am having are password refusal and repeated  
return to the sign in page.  Sometimes I can't sign in at all even  
though just a couple hours earlier,  I had used the same user name  
and password.  It's very frustrating - especially when I have some  
auctions running and more to list and I can't access them without  
going through this ridiculous sign-in routine whereby I have to  
enter my user name and password over and over again until it catches.



	In my experience, these kinds of problems are not from using a Mac.   
They result because E-bay is busy.  Their computers cannot keep up  
with the traffic.


	For such a large and successful company, E-bay has some of the worst  
software and hardware I have seen.  I don't know how they manage to  
get things wrong so consistently.


	When I'm dealing with the techs at e-bay, I expect to get wrong  
answers and poor information.  If they knew what they were doing,  
they'd be doing something else.  I also feel sorry for them.  They  
are trying to solve problems on a system that has problems built-in.   
It's a thankless and endless job.


Peter


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-12 Thread Howard Katz
On 12/12/05, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Of course, some sites like Gmail and GAP.com refuse to use certain
 versions of browsers, like the Safari I have with Jaguar. It's not
 unusual for Mac users to still be given the short end of the stick.


Just an FYI, Gmail works with all browsers, albeit in a truncated
fashion - some features may not be available, but you can still
access, read, compose email.  I even use it on a unix shell account
with both lynx or links text-based web browsers when geting online
with my Apple //e.  It may not be pretty that way, but I can still get
to my email.  :)

Later..Howard

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-12 Thread Donald Keenan


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 02:07 PM, Howard Katz wrote:


On 12/12/05, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Of course, some sites like Gmail and GAP.com refuse to use certain
versions of browsers, like the Safari I have with Jaguar. I

Just an FYI, Gmail works with all browsers,


Not with the version of Safari that one has to use with OS X 10.2...and 
there's no upgrading Safari without upgrading to Tiger or Panther. I 
wish were'nt true. Also, aren't there other Google programs that are 
Windows only? Picasa? GoogleEarth just started support for Tiger?


I guess I'm a dork for still being in Jaguar, but the whole DVD 
trade-in program to get a CD install has turned me off just enough to 
demotivate me.


Donald


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-12 Thread Howard Katz
Hmmm.must be your settings.  I used an early version of  Safari
early in the year (what was the version of OS X before Panther?  This
mac was running that one) , and it let me in.  I couldn't access my
Gmail account settings, but I could read and write email.

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-12 Thread Donald Keenan


On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 02:46 PM, Howard Katz wrote:


Hmmm.must be your settings.  I used an early version of  Safari
early in the year (what was the version of OS X before Panther?  This
mac was running that one) , and it let me in.  I couldn't access my
Gmail account settings, but I could read and write email.




You're absolutely right. I just tried Gmail and got in. Before, it 
wouldn't even load, so they must have spent some time tweaking things 
to give the limited, feature-free access. I'm glad this came to my 
attention! Thanks.


Oddly, gap.com loads for a second or two and then a page loads telling 
me that my browser isn't sipported.


Donald


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Re: Macs and eBay and OT

2005-12-05 Thread Howard Katz
THe other thing that could be done with a tech person who says you
need to use a real computer is to immediately ask to speak to their
supervisor or manager.  Expalin nicely to them that the choice of the
COMPUTER is up to the customer, and wouldn't they agree that insulting
the individual is poor customer service?  It's amazing how things can
change in tone when you do that, and also maybe request the name and
mailing (snail or e-) of the Company president so you can pass on your
experience.  :)

Later..Howard

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-05 Thread GalBros

In a message dated 12/4/05 1:52:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'm a PC admin, as well as one of only a handful of Mac users in my 
area, but I can tell you that even the best PC is still worse than the
worst Mac. I know, I own a PowerBook 190, which is generally considered
to be a Road Apple, that ran OS 7.5.2 until only recently. That's beside
the point, though. My point is that many support types are too dumb to
support Mac users because nobody uses them. I still remember the 
headache I had when calling my ISP to setup the 190 on my dialup account.

Yes, unfortunately we all have similar stories to share.

Often, while traveling for work, I visit little ($99 complete Pentium 
systems!) computer places around AL, TN and MS, I will find Mac stuff at PC 
refurbishers, seperated and stored away from the PC stuff in the back of the 
store. In 
some of the smaller towns, even pre-pentium PC stuff would be displayed 
proudly, and G3-G4 Mac stuff is stored away just because the tech there does 
not 
know how to startup the thing, or the flashing question-mark disk spooks them.

The PC guys will usually say I know nothing about Macs, just get it out of 
here! I think that, as experts in the PC world, it must frustrate them to no 
end that Macs are beyond their realm of comprehension. 

Kinda like Dr. McCoy used to react when he attemped to treat Mr. Spock (or 
any other alien) for any illnesses. Your heart is in the WRONG place...!

xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo
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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-05 Thread darm0k

At 6:32 AM -0800 12/04/2005, Amber R. wrote:


It appears that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.


And getting less so.  Many of the functions barely work in WaMCom 
Mozilla now, which is the newest browser available to people using OS 
8/9.  And eBay's JavaScript is getting more and more buggy (careless 
errors, mostly)... which makes unforgiving browsers like Safari 
problematic.


I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my 
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.


So far, every problem I've had with Safari on eBay has been eBay's 
fault.  They've been decent about fixing 'em, even tho it took days.


This is one of the reasons we need to be armed with multiple browers.

Of course, keep in mind that if you spoof your browser's identities 
then you're actually doing us all a disservice.  eBay's access 
statistics will then show that fewer people are using Macs and/or 
Safari -- which will give them less reason to fix the problem...


in a discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was 
told if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when 
I was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


The box said Windows 3.1 or better... So, I bought a Macintosh.

- Dan.

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Seth Austen

On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:

This is partially related to my previous question.It appears that 
eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a discussion with 
one of their live help people today,  I was told if you were using a 
regular computer,  you would be fine when I was asking about the 
sign-in problems I was having.


I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my 
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.


I've had reasonable success using Firefox with eBay, although I had 
significant issues (eventually resolved) with ANY browser and 
missionfish, their charity auction. They said I needed to use a PC. I 
didn't.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Peter Apockotos


On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:


Hi,
This is partially related to my previous question.It appears  
that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a  
discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was told  
if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when I  
was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my  
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.


Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are  
related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up- 
to-date browser that works with some sites.


Amber


Amber,

What kind of problems are you having?  I haven't experienced any  
problems with Safari and ebay.
Are you running Mac OS X 10.4.3?  With the updates that came out the  
other day?


Peter Apockotos
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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Fabian Fang

On Dec 4, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:

This is partially related to my previous question.It appears  
that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a  
discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was told  
if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when I  
was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my  
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.


Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are  
related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up- 
to-date browser that works with some sites.


I have had an eBay account almost since its inception.  Over the  
years I have used assorted Macs with different OS (now Tiger) and  
browsers (now mostly Safari), all with no problems.  For sellers who  
prefer to use Macs, there is an excellent auction program at:

http://www.iwascoding.com/GarageSale/

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Tom Ethen
Ebay like many companies on line is PC anal and they are big enough that
they don't care if other platform users are having issues with their site. I
find Safari to be much slower on ebay than Firefox and the last version of
Explorer for the Mac to be almost unusable on ebay.

Tom

On 12/4/05 8:32 AM, Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 This is partially related to my previous question.It appears that
 eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a discussion with
 one of their live help people today,  I was told if you were using a
 regular computer,  you would be fine when I was asking about the
 sign-in problems I was having.
 
 I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my
 browser is Safari and I have the latest version.
 
 Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are related
 to my not using a regular computer and not having an up-to-date
 browser that works with some sites.
 
 Amber


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Brian McEwen


On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:
y browser..although my browser is Safari and I have the latest  
version.


Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are  
related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up- 
to-date browser that works with some sites.


Amber


Safari just does not support things that well.  When I started using  
FireFox, I have had almost no problems with even complex sites- only  
limit is those that need activeX components downloaded and run.


Hope that helps.

B


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread James aka Sacredsystem
Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following:

Hi,
This is partially related to my previous question.It appears that  
eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a discussion with  
one of their live help people today,  I was told if you were using a  
regular computer,  you would be fine when I was asking about the  
sign-in problems I was having.

I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my  
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.

Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are related  
to my not using a regular computer and not having an up-to-date  
browser that works with some sites.

Amber
I've had some minor issues with eBay, but nothing that would create any
big problems. I use Camino, and in the preferences (extra download) you
can use agent  spoofing to fool sites into thinking you are using a
different browser. I rarely use it, but some sites will not work at all
without using say IE for Windoze. 

Take care.

James aka Sacredsystem

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Howard Katz
On 12/4/05, James aka Sacredsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've had some minor issues with eBay, but nothing that would create any
 big problems. I use Camino, and in the preferences (extra download) you
 can use agent  spoofing to fool sites into thinking you are using a
 different browser. I rarely use it, but some sites will not work at all
 without using say IE for Windoze.

iCab has this option also, if it's needed.  I don't see that in FireFox tho.


Later...Howard

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Dylan McDermond


On Dec 4, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:

In fact, in a discussion with one of their live help people today,   
I was told if you were using a regular computer,  you would be  
fine when I was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


That's just plain wrong. I've been using ebay with Safari since  
Panther came out and haven't had any problems whatsoever. The support  
dweeb you were talking to was talking out of his lower orifice.


On Dec 4, 2005, at 8:21 AM, Howard Katz wrote:

On 12/4/05, James aka Sacredsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I use Camino, and in the preferences (extra download) you
can use agent  spoofing to fool sites into thinking you are using a
different browser. I rarely use it, but some sites will not work  
at all

without using say IE for Windoze.


iCab has this option also, if it's needed.  I don't see that in  
FireFox tho.


It's an extension for Firefox. Just search for it on the extensions  
page. Safari also has this option if you enable the Debug menu by  
typing this line into Terminal:


defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

To turn it off, you simply type:

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread dan_A


On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:
It appears that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in  
a discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was told  
if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when I  
was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are  
related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up- 
to-date browser that works with some sites.


I don't believe that the tech knew what he was talking about. My wife  
and I are heavy users of ebay for some years. We use a 15 Ti-book  
and never have problems except when there's a slowdown with heavy  
network use. Then things take longer to load. But there is no  
interface problem. The tech is ill informed or just a nasty Mac  
hater. I'm sure your problem lies elsewhere.
You mentioned that you have a keyboard problem. Someone suggested  
that you try another keyboard and another mentioned all the settings  
to check. Sounds like good advice. Wish you luck.



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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Krow Magnum
On 12/4/05, dan_A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:
  It appears that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in
  a discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was told
  if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when I
  was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.
 
  Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are
  related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up-
  to-date browser that works with some sites.

 I don't believe that the tech knew what he was talking about. My wife
 and I are heavy users of ebay for some years. We use a 15 Ti-book
 and never have problems except when there's a slowdown with heavy
 network use. Then things take longer to load. But there is no
 interface problem. The tech is ill informed or just a nasty Mac
 hater. I'm sure your problem lies elsewhere.
 You mentioned that you have a keyboard problem. Someone suggested
 that you try another keyboard and another mentioned all the settings
 to check. Sounds like good advice. Wish you luck.


 dan_A
 Out of the darkest reaches of NYC



I've used Firefox and Mozilla for years on ebay with no problems. I
did have some minor problems back in the days of OS 8 but not since
then. Firefox is an excellent browser and you may want to try it. I
have both Safari and Firefox  on my PB G4 running OS 10.4 and I rarely
use Safari.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Harry Corsover
The same thing is available with Safari, as long as you install the  
Debug menu (I don't recall the details, but it was covered in a  
recent Macworld issue). However, regardless of how I have the User  
Agent set, I have not seen any differences in behavior or usability  
on various sites.


Regards,

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all

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Harry Corsover
There are some seller features that I was told are not available on  
Macs. I don't recall the details (I've just sold one thing on eBay),  
but I think it had something to do with editing photos for a listing.


Regards,

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On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Dylan McDermond wrote:


On Dec 4, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:

In fact, in a discussion with one of their live help people  
today,  I was told if you were using a regular computer,  you  
would be fine when I was asking about the sign-in problems I was  
having.


That's just plain wrong. I've been using ebay with Safari since  
Panther came out and haven't had any problems whatsoever. The  
support dweeb you were talking to was talking out of his lower  
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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.


On 4-Dec-05, at 9:00 AM, Harry Corsover wrote:

There are some seller features that I was told are not available on  
Macs. I don't recall the details (I've just sold one thing on  
eBay), but I think it had something to do with editing photos for a  
listing.


Regards,

Harry Corsover
--

Hello Harry,

The thing about this situation is that I was having really no  
problems with this site or any other until about a week ago.


eBay seems well aware of the problem with the missing t's in their  
live chat.  Typing in all caps resolves it.   I  have been able to  
list numerous items with photos on Safari, on eBay, with no problem  
for sometime now. However, in the last week,  it has suddenly become  
very problematic.


I have changed my eBay password, emptied the cache, dumped Safari  
preferences, reset Safari, tested the keyboard etc etc.  Still don't  
know what the problem is but am going to try Firefox and iCab and see  
how they work for me.


Thanks for your reply !

Amber


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread John McGibney

I use eBay  with no problems. Tech support is woefully ignorant.

you're back to keyboard/input problems. Make sure that you don't have  
Universal access enabled.

Check in international settings for US/English.

Try opening a new text document and type each key to make sure they  
all type correctly.


HTH
John

On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:


Hi,
This is partially related to my previous question.It appears  
that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a  
discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was told  
if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when I  
was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my  
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.


Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are  
related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up- 
to-date browser that works with some sites.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Shawn Harley
So, in the gasoline analogy, the Mac would be a premium computer,  
or a plus at the very least. I'm happy with that, thank you very much!


Shawn


On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Amber R. wrote:



Yes..I believe he was experiencing a significant ignorance  
challenge on this one.  He stated that he had just spoken to one  
of their techs and determined that eBay is not really designed for  
Mac users and that is basically where his suggestion to buy a  
regular computer came up.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Shawn Harley

Amber,

Sounds like your conversation with the eBay tech (term used VERY  
loosely) confirms the continual dumbing down of America!


Shawn


On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Amber R. wrote:



Yes..I believe he was experiencing a significant ignorance  
challenge on this one.  He stated that he had just spoken to one  
of their techs and determined that eBay is not really designed for  
Mac users and that is basically where his suggestion to buy a  
regular computer came up.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.


On 4-Dec-05, at 6:43 AM, Peter Apockotos wrote:


Amber,

What kind of problems are you having?  I haven't experienced any  
problems with Safari and ebay.
Are you running Mac OS X 10.4.3?  With the updates that came out  
the other day?


Peter Apockotos


Hi Peter,

The primary problems I am having are password refusal and repeated  
return to the sign in page.  Sometimes I can't sign in at all even  
though just a couple hours earlier,  I had used the same user name  
and password.  It's very frustrating - especially when I have some  
auctions running and more to list and I can't access them without  
going through this ridiculous sign-in routine whereby I have to enter  
my user name and password over and over again until it catches.


I assure you there is no typing error on my part either.

I will be setting up an auction listing and hit continue and then it  
will take me back to the sign-in page !!


I am indeed running 10.4.3 and just installed the most recent  
security update which is supposed to address Safari related problems  
amongst others.  Apple Software update is not listing any others.   
Which ones were you referring to ?


As I mentioned in my other note to the list,  all of these problems  
just started occurring a week ago but I have not installed any new  
software at all.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.


On 4-Dec-05, at 10:15 AM, Shawn Harley wrote:

So, in the gasoline analogy, the Mac would be a premium computer,  
or a plus at the very least. I'm happy with that, thank you very  
much!


Shawn


Hi Shawn,

LOL - While this is a terrific analogy and very favorable towards the  
Mac,  I can assure you that this individual was intent on trying to  
prove that Macs were quite inferior to PC's.   To follow your  
Gasoline analogy,  he was referring to Mac's more as dirty diesel and  
PC's as Gold/Premium.


He seemed to feel that their PC programmers were completely incapable  
of making eBay work on Safari and suggested I upgrade to Explorer  
6.0.  I immediately informed him that changing to Explorer in any  
shape or form would be a DOWNGRADE and that as I understood,  
Microsoft stopped working on Explorer for Mac after version 5.2  
because of the popularity (and superiority) of Safari.  There was a  
fairly long silence after thisthen he said he was glad that he  
could be of assistance today and asked if there were any other  
questions.hm


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Re: Macs and eBay and OT

2005-12-04 Thread Shawn Harley

Amber,

You must have stumped him with your reply. Either that, or his pee- 
cee was experiencing the BSOD syndrome.


Way off topic, but still has me laughing...about a month ago I went  
through the McDonald's drive through for breakfast. It had one of  
those nice, new video screens that display your order. After about a  
minute, I was asked for my order. I gave it, and it was repeated back  
to me. Silence. Then I was given the total. I waited before  
proceeding to the window because throughout the entire ordeal, about  
3 minutes; the nice, new screen had an image of Windows Scan Disk  
running (well, sort of) that was stuck at 87%.


I only wish I had the digital camera with me!

Shawn




On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:28 PM, Amber R. wrote:



On 4-Dec-05, at 10:15 AM, Shawn Harley wrote:


So, in the gasoline analogy, the Mac would be a premium  
computer, or a plus at the very least. I'm happy with that,  
thank you very much!


Shawn



Hi Shawn,

LOL - While this is a terrific analogy and very favorable towards  
the Mac,  I can assure you that this individual was intent on  
trying to prove that Macs were quite inferior to PC's.   To follow  
your Gasoline analogy,  he was referring to Mac's more as dirty  
diesel and PC's as Gold/Premium.


He seemed to feel that their PC programmers were completely  
incapable of making eBay work on Safari and suggested I upgrade to  
Explorer 6.0.  I immediately informed him that changing to Explorer  
in any shape or form would be a DOWNGRADE and that as I understood,  
Microsoft stopped working on Explorer for Mac after version 5.2  
because of the popularity (and superiority) of Safari.  There was a  
fairly long silence after thisthen he said he was glad that he  
could be of assistance today and asked if there were any other  
questions.hm


Amber

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.

Shawn,

He certainly  was not the brightest bulb - poor fellow.   I am not  
sure if he is really deserving of the term Tech either.


Another example of his response to my question re: Safari :  He   
supplied me with a link to update my browser - the link was for  
Safari V. 1.2 !!  I advised him that we were now up to 2.0.2.   He  
had nothing to say to that either.


Oh well...I guess that live help chat was 20 minutes of my life  
that I wasted and will never get back.


Amber





On 4-Dec-05, at 10:18 AM, Shawn Harley wrote:


Amber,

Sounds like your conversation with the eBay tech (term used VERY  
loosely) confirms the continual dumbing down of America!


Shawn


On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Amber R. wrote:



Yes..I believe he was experiencing a significant ignorance  
challenge on this one.  He stated that he had just spoken to one  
of their techs and determined that eBay is not really designed  
for Mac users and that is basically where his suggestion to buy a  
regular computer came up.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Caleb Cupples

Amber R. wrote:


On 4-Dec-05, at 10:15 AM, Shawn Harley wrote:

So, in the gasoline analogy, the Mac would be a premium computer,  
or a plus at the very least. I'm happy with that, thank you very  much!


Shawn



Hi Shawn,

LOL - While this is a terrific analogy and very favorable towards the  
Mac,  I can assure you that this individual was intent on trying to  
prove that Macs were quite inferior to PC's.   To follow your  Gasoline 
analogy,  he was referring to Mac's more as dirty diesel and  PC's as 
Gold/Premium.


He seemed to feel that their PC programmers were completely incapable  
of making eBay work on Safari and suggested I upgrade to Explorer  6.0.  
I immediately informed him that changing to Explorer in any  shape or 
form would be a DOWNGRADE and that as I understood,  Microsoft stopped 
working on Explorer for Mac after version 5.2  because of the popularity 
(and superiority) of Safari.  There was a  fairly long silence after 
thisthen he said he was glad that he  could be of assistance today 
and asked if there were any other  questions.hm


Amber

I'm a PC admin, as well as one of only a handful of Mac users in my 
area, but I can tell you that even the best PC is still worse than the 
worst Mac. I know, I own a PowerBook 190, which is generally considered 
to be a Road Apple, that ran OS 7.5.2 until only recently. That's beside 
the point, though. My point is that many support types are too dumb to 
support Mac users because nobody uses them. I still remember the 
headache I had when calling my ISP to setup the 190 on my dialup account.


Try using Firefox is all I can suggest. I use it on my PC, as well as 
having setup FF on my Grandpa's OS X machine. I'd run it on mine, but 
the Lombard won't be in until tomorrow. I'd go ahead and install either 
the SafariFox or iFox skin from the  start, to get the beautiful Safari 
look, though.


Caleb


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Harry Corsover

On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:11 AM, Amber R. wrote:

Yes..I believe he was experiencing a significant ignorance  
challenge on this one.  He stated that he had just spoken to one  
of their techs and determined that eBay is not really designed for  
Mac users and that is basically where his suggestion to buy a  
regular computer came up.


I have very little tolerance for that kind of stuff. Depending on my  
mood, I would at least be tempted to reply with Your ignorance is  
only exceeded by your arrogance and hang up. Calling back would  
likely get a different person.


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Harry Corsover
I have the same problem with a couple of sites where I regularly  
purchase products. This last time, I decided to try it in IE, and it  
worked fine. Since I had already placed my order, I didn't try it  
again with Firefox, but I may do so next time. In at least a couple  
of instances, it is Safari that their sites won't work with,  
regardless of which User Agent I have it set to.


OS X 10.4.3, Safari 2.0.2.

Regards,

Harry Corsover
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On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Amber R. wrote:

The primary problems I am having are password refusal and repeated  
return to the sign in page.  Sometimes I can't sign in at all even  
though just a couple hours earlier,  I had used the same user name  
and password.  It's very frustrating - especially when I have some  
auctions running and more to list and I can't access them without  
going through this ridiculous sign-in routine whereby I have to  
enter my user name and password over and over again until it catches.


I assure you there is no typing error on my part either.




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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Aaron Willems
I'm also in the IT field and all my Macs and PCs at the office have  
Firefox installed. Whenever I have a problem with Safari I just load  
up Firefox, and I'm  good to go.


Cheers.

Aaron Willems
IT Administrator
Lieberman Productions  Philo Television


On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Harry Corsover wrote:

I have the same problem with a couple of sites where I regularly  
purchase products. This last time, I decided to try it in IE, and  
it worked fine. Since I had already placed my order, I didn't try  
it again with Firefox, but I may do so next time. In at least a  
couple of instances, it is Safari that their sites won't work with,  
regardless of which User Agent I have it set to.


OS X 10.4.3, Safari 2.0.2.

Regards,

Harry Corsover
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On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Amber R. wrote:


The primary problems I am having are password refusal and repeated  
return to the sign in page.  Sometimes I can't sign in at all even  
though just a couple hours earlier,  I had used the same user name  
and password.  It's very frustrating - especially when I have some  
auctions running and more to list and I can't access them without  
going through this ridiculous sign-in routine whereby I have to  
enter my user name and password over and over again until it catches.


I assure you there is no typing error on my part either.





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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread ncicchek
Amber,

New idea: download and run a utility called DoktorKleaner.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21470

Its a shell script that runs various repairs based on your current problem.
It has 4 or 5 repair scripts just for Safari.

John

- Original Message -
From: Harry Corsover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, December 4, 2005 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: Macs and eBay

 I have the same problem with a couple of sites where I regularly  
 purchase products. This last time, I decided to try it in IE, and 
 it  
 worked fine. Since I had already placed my order, I didn't try it  
 again with Firefox, but I may do so next time. In at least a couple 
 
 of instances, it is Safari that their sites won't work with,  
 regardless of which User Agent I have it set to.
 
 OS X 10.4.3, Safari 2.0.2.
 
 Regards,
 
 Harry Corsover
 ---
 On Dec 4, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Amber R. wrote:
 
  The primary problems I am having are password refusal and 
 repeated  
  return to the sign in page.  Sometimes I can't sign in at all 
 even  
  though just a couple hours earlier,  I had used the same user 
 name  
  and password.  It's very frustrating - especially when I have 
 some  
  auctions running and more to list and I can't access them without 
 
  going through this ridiculous sign-in routine whereby I have to  
  enter my user name and password over and over again until it 
 catches.
  I assure you there is no typing error on my part either.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Barry Muller
Amber,

I don't recall seeing which PB or iBook you are using,
but I have a Pismo 400 MHz that I picked up las June. 
You mention problems with the t not showing up - I
have this problem with my Pismo - it is very hit or
miss.  Most of the time the t types, but not
always.  Perhaps your t key is flaking out too and
you wouldn't see that on a password that doesn't echo
back.  I am running 10.4.3 and use Safari 2.02 without
any problems on eBay (never sold anything on eBay
though).

Just my $0.02.

Barry

--- Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On 4-Dec-05, at 6:43 AM, Peter Apockotos wrote:
 
  Amber,
 
  What kind of problems are you having?  I haven't
 experienced any  
  problems with Safari and ebay.
  Are you running Mac OS X 10.4.3?  With the updates
 that came out  
  the other day?
 
  Peter Apockotos
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 The primary problems I am having are password
 refusal and repeated  
 return to the sign in page.  Sometimes I can't sign
 in at all even  
 though just a couple hours earlier,  I had used the
 same user name  
 and password.  It's very frustrating - especially
 when I have some  
 auctions running and more to list and I can't access
 them without  
 going through this ridiculous sign-in routine
 whereby I have to enter  
 my user name and password over and over again until
 it catches.
 
 I assure you there is no typing error on my part
 either.
 
 I will be setting up an auction listing and hit
 continue and then it  
 will take me back to the sign-in page !!
 
 I am indeed running 10.4.3 and just installed the
 most recent  
 security update which is supposed to address Safari
 related problems  
 amongst others.  Apple Software update is not
 listing any others.   
 Which ones were you referring to ?
 
 As I mentioned in my other note to the list,  all of
 these problems  
 just started occurring a week ago but I have not
 installed any new  
 software at all.
 
 Amber
 
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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.


On 4-Dec-05, at 4:53 PM, Barry Muller wrote:


Amber,

I don't recall seeing which PB or iBook you are using,
but I have a Pismo 400 MHz that I picked up las June.
You mention problems with the t not showing up - I
have this problem with my Pismo - it is very hit or
miss.  Most of the time the t types, but not
always.  Perhaps your t key is flaking out too and
you wouldn't see that on a password that doesn't echo
back.  I am running 10.4.3 and use Safari 2.02 without
any problems on eBay (never sold anything on eBay
though).

Just my $0.02.

Barry


Hello Barry - Sorry, I am using a 1.25 ghz 15 PB - running 10.4.3  
and Safari 2.02.
The problems are mainly with sites that require entering any sort of  
text information and some drop down menus.   The t key works fine  
in Word and text edit etc...it's just that this keyboard seems to be  
a bit quirky.  i.e. a few times now, the entire keyboard has suddenly  
become inverted - i.e. with caps lock key on, the letters are all  
lower case and with it off, they are all upper case.  No rhyme or  
reason behind it...it just starts, then stops with no clear reason as  
to why.


I am not sure this is related to the Safari thingwho knows.

Anyway, thanks for your reply,

Amber

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread GalBros

In a message dated 12/4/05 7:53:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Perhaps your t key is flaking out too and
you wouldn't see that on a password that doesn't echo
back.  I am running 10.4.3 and use Safari 2.02 without
any problems on eBay (never sold anything on eBay
though).

I use IE 5.1 on my classic-laden Wallstreet, and I have no problem with Ebay, 
buying or selling, though I mostly buy. I know I have listed an item at least 
once using my WS, and I have never upgraded it to OSX.

I remember once I had a problem listing an item I was going to sell, but that 
was awhile back and I am not even sure I was using IE 5.1 at that time.

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Tim Collier
Amber, I buy and sell on Ebay using my G4 iBook ALL THE TIME.not  
one single problem.  I'm running OS 10.4.3 with the latest Safari.   
And Safari is the only Browser I use.


Tim
On Dec 4, 2005, at 9:32 AM, Amber R. wrote:


Hi,
This is partially related to my previous question.It appears  
that eBay is not really that Mac friendly.  In fact, in a  
discussion with one of their live help people today,  I was told  
if you were using a regular computer,  you would be fine when I  
was asking about the sign-in problems I was having.


I was told also that I needed to update my browser..although my  
browser is Safari and I have the latest version.


Anyway,  it appears that some of the problems I am having are  
related to my not using a regular computer and not having an up- 
to-date browser that works with some sites.


Amber

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Paul Stamsen
My reply follows quote.

On 12/4/05, at 10:28 am -0800, Amber R. wrote:

He seemed to feel that their PC programmers were completely incapable
of making eBay work on Safari and suggested I upgrade to Explorer
6.0.  I immediately informed him that changing to Explorer in any
shape or form would be a DOWNGRADE and that as I understood,
Microsoft stopped working on Explorer for Mac after version 5.2
because of the popularity (and superiority) of Safari.  There was a
fairly long silence after thisthen he said he was glad that he
could be of assistance today and asked if there were any other
questions.hm



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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.


On 4-Dec-05, at 5:55 PM, Tim Collier wrote:

Amber, I buy and sell on Ebay using my G4 iBook ALL THE  
TIME.not one single problem.  I'm running OS 10.4.3 with the  
latest Safari.  And Safari is the only Browser I use.


Tim


Hi Tim,

I guess  just don't understand what is wrong with this PB then.   It  
was working fine up until a week ago and then suddenly - all kinds of  
problems.   This is exactly how the keyboard inversion happened - out  
of the blue - no new software installed, etc etc.


Amber

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Stanton Mitrany
One thing missing in our world is the ability to schedule auction sales to
begin at a specific seller-chosen future time, rather than immediately. A
number of solutions providing this valuable feature are available in the PC
world, but, to the best of my knowledge, aren't available to us.

I hope some of you can tell me I'm misinformed. . .

Many blessings,
stanton


 From: Harry Corsover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:00:29 -0700
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 Subject: Re: Macs and eBay
 
 There are some seller features that I was told are not available on
 Macs. I don't recall the details (I've just sold one thing on eBay),
 but I think it had something to do with editing photos for a listing.
 
 Regards,
 
 Harry Corsover


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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Amber R.


On 4-Dec-05, at 7:50 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote:

One thing missing in our world is the ability to schedule auction  
sales to
begin at a specific seller-chosen future time, rather than  
immediately. A
number of solutions providing this valuable feature are available  
in the PC

world, but, to the best of my knowledge, aren't available to us.

I hope some of you can tell me I'm misinformed. . .

Many blessings,
stanton


Stanton,

You can schedule them to begin whenever you want but eBay charges a  
small fee for that ability if you list them through the website on  
the spot.   With eBay software, you can prepare the auction listings  
ahead of time and then have them automatically upload when you're  
ready.  This is great when the 10 cent sales roll around like the one  
tomorrow on eBay.ca.


I think Garagesale does this - I just learned about it from another  
member here when we were talking about this Mac/Safari problem.


Take care,

Amber

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Re: Macs and eBay

2005-12-04 Thread Stanton Mitrany


From: Amber R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:16:41 -0800
To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com
Subject: Re: Macs and eBay


On 4-Dec-05, at 7:50 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote:

One thing missing in our world is the ability to schedule auction
sales to
begin at a specific seller-chosen future time, rather than
immediately. A
number of solutions providing this valuable feature are available
in the PC
world, but, to the best of my knowledge, aren't available to us.

I hope some of you can tell me I'm misinformed. . .

Many blessings,
stanton

Stanton,

You can schedule them to begin whenever you want but eBay charges a
small fee for that ability if you list them through the website on
the spot.   With eBay software, you can prepare the auction listings
ahead of time and then have them automatically upload when you're
ready.  This is great when the 10 cent sales roll around like the one
tomorrow on eBay.ca.

I think Garagesale does this - I just learned about it from another
member here when we were talking about this Mac/Safari problem.

Take care,

Amber



Dear Amber,

The last time I checked with eBay I was told their software which could
provide the ability to store a seller's listings prepared all week long, to
all go live on a designated day and time was a feature only available to
those accessing with their site with Windows platform browsers/computers. I
was further told that they were unaware of any software which could provide
this enhancement for Macintosh users.

Further, when I visited the Apple store in Emeryville, CA in October, for
the express purpose of finding such a program, I consulted with the Mac
Geniuses there, who suggested iSale and GarageSale. When I looked at the
package of the one carried by the store (iSale, I believe) and also read
reviews the Geniuses referred me to of both of these packages on-line while
I was in the store, I ended up returning the iSale to the shelf, and not
seeking to acquire GarageSale either, since neither seemed to be able to
ably do what I'm describing- at least without dramatically limiting the
content you could include in your postings. I believe the limitation which
most discouraged me here was not being able to have more than perhaps three
or four rather small photographs per posting, if my memory serves me
correctly.

Bottom line is that I went home and got myself a used PC (which I'm
beginning to learn to use) just simply (but importantly) to acquire the
ability to have my ads all begin and end at the one time each week which I
feel is most advantageous to me.

Again, I'm hoping the information I gathered then was wrong, or that this
shortcoming to the Mac eBay applications I mentioned here have now been
augmented to provide this feature.

Many blessings,
stanton


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