Re: downloading movies
On 22 Jan 2006, at 9:03 PM, Lawrence Sica wrote: You the consumer, making one copy, are not performing a felony. And it's a fine distinction but the act of copying is not illegal in this case. The people selling the program are selling an illegal program possibly though. One major distinction for fair use in copyright is how it harms the commercial interests of the copyright holder. That is why making a copy for personal use is not a felony, making a large number and distributing them in any fashion is. This is my understanding also. I have a couple of copyrights I have to enforce and so I pay attention to this matter. It is not always the understanding of the goons that enforce the copyright laws for some corporations, however. Some of them think that anyone making a copy of anything is illegal. Mostly it's just them trying to justify their existence. I had a DVD that would not always play right. With a lot of effort, I was able to make a good copy of it. I kept both the original and copy. I mentioned this to someone on an open forum and next thing I knew I had the private pigs from the corporation that produced the disk giving me a bad time. The frustrating part is that the content was not very good. I wish they would have put all that effort into making a better product instead of persecuting people. My conclusion is that you can make all the copies you want for your own personal use. Just don't give any away or tell anyone you did so. Peter -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
On 23/01/2006, at 8:02 AM, Gerald Abreu wrote: Can I ask how long it takes to rip a dvd to your hard drive? I tried once on an upgraded pismo g4 and the time from hand brake said over 100 hours so I canceled it. On Jan 23, 2006, at 9:52 PM, Amanda Ward wrote: I just ripped a 178 minute movie with MacTheRipper on my BW (w/ G4-450) and it took 39 minutes. I think Handbrake changes format, so it has to reencode the whole movie. That takes a while (don't know about 100 hours, though). MacTheRipper just rips to disk, no format change. (I'm not sure how much overhead there is to removing copy protection, as I don't know how it works.) Anne -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 1:11 PM -0800 01/23/2006, John Roberts wrote: With MacTheRipper or similar programs, can I rip just a scene from a DVD or will it only take the whole thing? Mac The Ripper is a disk volume ripping tool. It is not an MPEG/video editing tool. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
On Jan 23, 2006, at 2:04 AM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: on 22/01/06 21:37, Dan K at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use DVDshrink on my PC to make DVD-R copies, again for personal BU of DVDs we own. However I'm not aware of any Mac utility that matches DVDshrink's abilities and convenience. Have you tried MacTheRipper with Popcorn? My guess is he's looking for free solutions. Windows excels for that, too bad. B -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
I also use DVDshrink on my PC to make DVD-R copies, again for personal BU of DVDs we own. However I'm not aware of any Mac utility that matches DVDshrink's abilities and convenience. Have you tried MacTheRipper with Popcorn? Roxio advertise the latest Toast 7 as being able to 'copy and compress' DVDs. I'm not sure to what extent that works, but it'd be great to hear from some actual user (if anyone out there). True that Dual-Layer DVDs would ease the process, but when I bought a new Dual-Layer superdrive to beef up my powerbook, little I knew that blancs went for £30 (well over $50) per 5-pack! And they still do now, 6 months later... cheers, gianfranco -- Lust, ein paar Euro nebenbei zu verdienen? Ohne Kosten, ohne Risiko! Satte Provisionen für GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 23, 2006, at 8:43 AM, Francesco sciacca wrote: Have you tried MacTheRipper with Popcorn? Roxio advertise the latest Toast 7 as being able to 'copy and compress' DVDs. I'm not sure to what extent that works, but it'd be great to hear from some actual user (if anyone out there). True that Dual-Layer DVDs would ease the process, but when I bought a new Dual-Layer superdrive to beef up my powerbook, little I knew that blancs went for £30 (well over $50) per 5-pack! And they still do now, 6 months later... I was a little disappointed in Popcorn's features as implemented as opposed to as advertised. I can't speak to Toast yet. A common way to save room is to compress audio- big space savings, little to no hit in quality. Popcorn, for DVDs with multiple chapters, cannot compress the audio portion, only the video portion. You can only compress audio for DVDs without sections- whatever the proper term is. Trouble is, almost all DVDs these days have chapters. Windows freeware (DVDShrink) is much more flexible in this regard. It looked to me when viewing the feature list, they basically rolled Popcorn into Toast; I've not looked at it in great detail but the feature set didn't seem improved that much. They stated that Popcorn could compress audio but did not mention that for most discs, you won't be able to use that feature effectively. The other commercial OS X software for doing this (DVD Magic? whatever it was, I forget) might be more flexible, might not- it was certainly a lot more expensive than Popcorn at the time of my purchase. Anyway be sure to look into the fine print/ call tech support at Roxio if this limitation might affect you. I got Popcorn to be able to keep a undamaged version of DVDs we use in teaching after a couple expensive ones were scratched and needed replaced- I can do what I need with Popcorn, but it bugs me to compress video when audio would be almost lossless. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
Forget for a moment that royalties are already built into every blank CD-R and DVD-R out there, this is the post-DMCA era now. Is this true in the USA now? I thought it was only in Canada. -- Terry McCune -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
I have several movies that were watched frequently by my grandkids and are now ruined by little fingers. I now back up all my kids movies using mac the ripper and popcorn and have not had to buy another copy of a well loved but ruined DVD.I also rip Dvds (I own) onto my laptop's hard drive to watch during plane trips, saves battery usage. To me these activities come under fair use. My two cents. TmB -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
Can I ask how long it takes to rip a dvd to your hard drive? I tried once on an upgraded pismo g4 and the time from hand brake said over 100 hours so I canceled it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 23/01/06 11:02, Gerald Abreu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I ask how long it takes to rip a dvd to your hard drive? I tried once on an upgraded pismo g4 and the time from hand brake said over 100 hours so I canceled it. I never checked closely but I would say it takes between 20 to 30 minutes on my 17 at 1.5GHz, depending on the movie's duration. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
At 8:47 AM -0600 01/23/2006, TmB wrote: I have several movies that were watched frequently by my grandkids and are now ruined by little fingers. I now back up all my kids movies using mac the ripper and popcorn and have not had to buy another copy of a well loved but ruined DVD.I also rip Dvds (I own) onto my laptop's hard drive to watch during plane trips, saves battery usage. To me these activities come under fair use. My two cents. Two excellent examples of what the fair use clause is specifically designed to permit. Now if you were letting your grandkids take the copies home... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
Free solutions are nice but that's not where I was headed. As a less experienced user I was seeking guidance in both, how-to and is it okay to do so. Amongst my circle of friends I'm one of the few that owns a computer capable of this or has any real interest in doing so. Of course it's always easier to pass judgement on someone for something you have no personal interest in. Hence it's easy for some of my friends to say I'm breaking the law or that what I'm doing is wrong. So right out of the gate I become involved in what one particular group of people believes to be right or wrong. While it was not my intent to seek moral guidance I rest more comfortably knowing I have addressed a topic from a diverse group of perspectives. And for that I thank all who have responded. Following up I'd like to add that I have downloaded Mac The Ripper and purchased Popcorn. It will be a few days before I receive the Popcorn software and I'm hoping that things will become clearer once I get it. I'm still a bit confused on the exact procedures and then there's all that movie stuff that came with my iBook (DVD Player, iDVD, iMovie HD). I would have thought that one of those would of made all this possible. I have certainly spent enough time trying. The people who contribute on here have helped me more than once and saved me countless hours of wasted effort in seeking a solution in the wrong place; not to mention the money I've saved by getting it right the first time. In short...thank you! Rest assured I do my best to pass it on. Sincerely, Dennis -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
With MacTheRipper or similar programs, can I rip just a scene from a DVD or will it only take the whole thing? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
On 23/01/06 16:11, John Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With MacTheRipper or similar programs, can I rip just a scene from a DVD or will it only take the whole thing? The whole thing. -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
Brian McEwen wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jason wrote: I second this, I use toast though, the diff being I had someone buy me the more expensive roxio program, yay birthdays!! I bought Popcorn a while ago, then 4? months later they came out with a Toast update that seems to have a lot of the Popcorn features rolled in -- from the description anyway. I've not looked closely. My Toast is still at 5.0.3 and working fine and popcorn works. Anyway, for the OP: You can rip a DVD to your MacOS laptop for free with MactheRipper, usually (some DVDs won't work, the free Windows tools are better (of course). To put a DVD onto a DVD-R, you often need either a dual-layer external drive (DVDs are often 7.5gig and a single later DVR disk, like powerbooks can handle with built-in hardware, is only 4.5gig) or a software to compress the 7.5gig image to 4.5 gig. Windows has free software that works great for the compression but for MacOS there is no free tool, you have to buy something. There are a couple options, but I forget the titles. Popcorn for sure, maybe the latest Toast has features rolled in, maybe not, and at least one other commercial tool exists. But for ripping your DVDs to laptop to watch on the plane or whatever, you usually are OK with MacThe Ripper. The 4-disk Firefly DVD set, for example- I had trouble with disk 3 and had to do that on a Windows laptop before my last vacation. Sure I could have just brought the DVD with me but d*mmit I have the tech in hand... :) HTH. B --G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- May I ask how you were able to view a ripped dvd from MTR on your computer. I've ripped a dvd that I own to view on a trip but don't know how to get it to play. There is a folder titled nameofmovie and then in a sub folder there are video_ts and a video_ts folders. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
On Jan 23, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Gerald Abreu wrote: May I ask how you were able to view a ripped dvd from MTR on your computer. I've ripped a dvd that I own to view on a trip but don't know how to get it to play. There is a folder titled nameofmovie and then in a sub folder there are video_ts and a video_ts folders. run the OS X DVD player. file? menu/ Open DVD Image. point it to the video_TS folder, and don't forget to hit play :) (there's no prompt, just a black screen after loading). There's also a cute little interface called Matinee that will sort of scroll thru all the possible movies / other multimedia files stored in a given folder. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Brian, Thanks for the helpful instruction. That's all it took. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Hi Gerald, I just ripped a 178 minute movie with MacTheRipper on my BW (w/ G4-450) and it took 39 minutes. Of course YMMV. Amanda On 23/01/2006, at 8:02 AM, Gerald Abreu wrote: Can I ask how long it takes to rip a dvd to your hard drive? I tried once on an upgraded pismo g4 and the time from hand brake said over 100 hours so I canceled it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Dennis Goglin wrote: I thought when I purchased my new ibook with the superdrive that I'd be able to download/import movies from a dvd and save them to view whenever I chose. I never really considered the infringement of copyrights or anything as selling something has never been part of the plan. I simply thought I'd be a cool way to create a video library. Whether I stored the movies on a larger external hard drive or copied them to disc. So I guess my question is two-fold: 1. Is it possible to save/copy a movie from a dvd that I have either rented or borrowed? 2. Is doing this illegal? I've briefly browsed some sites that claim to have software to support this. But I thought better to get some direction and guidance from people I've learned to respect. There are programs that let you rip DVDs. You can do this for your own personal use under Fair Use only for dvds you own. I do this for my movies that I own and put the originals away so they don't get damaged.Rented and borrowed movies don't fall under this though as you don't own the actual DVD. I myself use Mac The Ripper to rip the dvd and I use Popcorn to reburn them. Popcorn is from the same people who make Toast. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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The answer to both questions is yes. You can do it, but if you don't own the disc, it is illegal, technically. However, I don't think they'll go after you for making personal copies. Caleb On Sunday, Jan 22, 2006, at 12:48 America/Chicago, Dennis Goglin wrote: I thought when I purchased my new ibook with the superdrive that I'd be able to download/import movies from a dvd and save them to view whenever I chose. I never really considered the infringement of copyrights or anything as selling something has never been part of the plan. I simply thought I'd be a cool way to create a video library. Whether I stored the movies on a larger external hard drive or copied them to disc. So I guess my question is two-fold: 1. Is it possible to save/copy a movie from a dvd that I have either rented or borrowed? 2. Is doing this illegal? I've briefly browsed some sites that claim to have software to support this. But I thought better to get some direction and guidance from people I've learned to respect. Thank You, Dennis Goglin -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I second this, I use toast though, the diff being I had someone buy me the more expensive roxio program, yay birthdays!! On 22/01/2006, at 10:56, Lawrence Sica wrote: On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Dennis Goglin wrote: I thought when I purchased my new ibook with the superdrive that I'd be able to download/import movies from a dvd and save them to view whenever I chose. I never really considered the infringement of copyrights or anything as selling something has never been part of the plan. I simply thought I'd be a cool way to create a video library. Whether I stored the movies on a larger external hard drive or copied them to disc. So I guess my question is two- fold: 1. Is it possible to save/copy a movie from a dvd that I have either rented or borrowed? 2. Is doing this illegal? I've briefly browsed some sites that claim to have software to support this. But I thought better to get some direction and guidance from people I've learned to respect. There are programs that let you rip DVDs. You can do this for your own personal use under Fair Use only for dvds you own. I do this for my movies that I own and put the originals away so they don't get damaged.Rented and borrowed movies don't fall under this though as you don't own the actual DVD. I myself use Mac The Ripper to rip the dvd and I use Popcorn to reburn them. Popcorn is from the same people who make Toast. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Jason wrote: I second this, I use toast though, the diff being I had someone buy me the more expensive roxio program, yay birthdays!! I bought Popcorn a while ago, then 4? months later they came out with a Toast update that seems to have a lot of the Popcorn features rolled in -- from the description anyway. I've not looked closely. My Toast is still at 5.0.3 and working fine and popcorn works. Anyway, for the OP: You can rip a DVD to your MacOS laptop for free with MactheRipper, usually (some DVDs won't work, the free Windows tools are better (of course). To put a DVD onto a DVD-R, you often need either a dual-layer external drive (DVDs are often 7.5gig and a single later DVR disk, like powerbooks can handle with built-in hardware, is only 4.5gig) or a software to compress the 7.5gig image to 4.5 gig. Windows has free software that works great for the compression but for MacOS there is no free tool, you have to buy something. There are a couple options, but I forget the titles. Popcorn for sure, maybe the latest Toast has features rolled in, maybe not, and at least one other commercial tool exists. But for ripping your DVDs to laptop to watch on the plane or whatever, you usually are OK with MacThe Ripper. The 4-disk Firefly DVD set, for example- I had trouble with disk 3 and had to do that on a Windows laptop before my last vacation. Sure I could have just brought the DVD with me but d*mmit I have the tech in hand... :) HTH. B -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Dennis Goglin wrote: So I guess my question is two-fold: 1. Is it possible to save/ copy a movie from a dvd that I have either rented or borrowed? 2. Is doing this illegal? 1. Yes it is possible to save/copy a rented or borrowed dvd (there are some exceptions). 2. Doing so is illegal. Copying a DVD that you have bought is illegal. I'm sure that lil statement will get the howler monkeys going so lets clarify. You have the right to make a backup of media that you have bought. However if that disc is copy protected/ encrypted, which a commerical movie dvd is, then the part where you bypass said copy protection to extract the data, THAT part is illegal and is a felony. So in other words the part where your use Mac The Ripper to extract the dvd contents to your hard drive, is illegal for ALL dvds that are encrypted (i.e. just about all commercial dvds) where you own the disc, rented or borrowed it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Allen Brewer wrote: snipped some 2. Doing so is illegal. Copying a DVD that you have bought is illegal. I'm sure that lil statement will get the howler monkeys going so lets clarify. You have the right to make a backup of media that you have bought. However if that disc is copy protected/ encrypted, which a commerical movie dvd is, then the part where you bypass said copy protection to extract the data, THAT part is illegal and is a felony. So in other words the part where your use Mac The Ripper to extract the dvd contents to your hard drive, is illegal for ALL dvds that are encrypted (i.e. just about all commercial dvds) where you own the disc, rented or borrowed it. Actually it is not that simple. The actual legality of copying DVDs was not addressed in the court case, the 321 Studios once. They only ruled about 321 studios program violating the DMCA. Also making a copy of a DVD, encrypted or no *is not a felony*. According to the law it is only a felony if you make over 10 copies and the monetary value is over $2500.You the consumer, making one copy, are not performing a felony. And it's a fine distinction but the act of copying is not illegal in this case. The people selling the program are selling an illegal program possibly though. One major distinction for fair use in copyright is how it harms the commercial interests of the copyright holder. That is why making a copy for personal use is not a felony, making a large number and distributing them in any fashion is. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Allen Brewer wrote: 2. Doing so is illegal. Copying a DVD that you have bought is illegal. I'm sure that lil statement will get the howler monkeys going so lets clarify. You have the right to make a backup of media that you have bought. However if that disc is copy protected/ encrypted, which a commerical movie dvd is, then the part where you bypass said copy protection to extract the data, THAT part is illegal and is a felony. I don't know about howls... The want-to-be fascist, religious and corporate powers that currently own the US government at this time have made this illegal on paper, certainly. That's not debatable. And it is unlikely to change. Im no sure if the original poster was even in the US or not, though. It is telling ( I think) that tools to let you USE your fair use rights remain available, with their own, public domain names and brand-name advertising, freeware and commercial solutions alike. This is not software you have to download from l33t sites of any sort. With the control in the US Supreme Court that the fundamentalist and corporate interests will shortly have this could change quickly. But for now, it's not a challenge that they have made, for whatever reason. This sounds like a political interpretation but really it's just a summary of the publicly-stated positions of all involved. I don't like the extensions and implications of this, certainly, especially going forward, but that could just be me :) Anyway until they start bribing your kids to report you for putting your personally-purchased DVDs onto your laptop for your own viewing, there are not consequences likely for doing so. Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Making even one copy for distribution is. On 1/22/06 6:03 PM, Lawrence Sica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is why making a copy for personal use is not a felony, making a large number and distributing them in any fashion is. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Lawrence Sica wrote: Actually it is not that simple. The actual legality of copying DVDs was not addressed in the court case, the 321 Studios once. They only ruled about 321 studios program violating the DMCA. Also making a copy of a DVD, encrypted or no *is not a felony*. Actually, according to the DCMA, any decrypting is a felony. Whether you would be prosecuted for say converting your Firefly DVDs into a copy you take with you on trips, so you don't have to worry if they are broken/lost/stolen/damaged is debatable. But its still a felony to do so. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Sunday, Jan 22, 2006, at 18:26 America/Chicago, Brian Scott Oplinger wrote: Lawrence Sica wrote: Actually it is not that simple. The actual legality of copying DVDs was not addressed in the court case, the 321 Studios once. They only ruled about 321 studios program violating the DMCA. Also making a copy of a DVD, encrypted or no *is not a felony*. Actually, according to the DCMA, any decrypting is a felony. Whether you would be prosecuted for say converting your Firefly DVDs into a copy you take with you on trips, so you don't have to worry if they are broken/lost/stolen/damaged is debatable. But its still a felony to do so. If you'll excuse my interjecting my opinion on here, the DMCA is such a buggy piece of law that is extremely vague as to how it's read and how it's enforced. Is it so wrong to rip a DVD for use with your iPod video? In conclusion, my belief is that it depends on the situation as to whether it's illegal or not. Of course, if you'll excuse my legal and software flamethrowing, the DMCA is the legal equivalent of Windows. Buggy, yet sold off as the best thing out there since sliced bread. Just my humble opinion from way down South, Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Tom Ethen wrote: Making even one copy for distribution is. On 1/22/06 6:03 PM, Lawrence Sica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is why making a copy for personal use is not a felony, making a large number and distributing them in any fashion is. It's only a felony level crime if you hit the threshold I mentioned earlier. 10 or more. Not all crimes are felonies. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 7:26 PM, Brian Scott Oplinger wrote: Lawrence Sica wrote: Actually it is not that simple. The actual legality of copying DVDs was not addressed in the court case, the 321 Studios once. They only ruled about 321 studios program violating the DMCA. Also making a copy of a DVD, encrypted or no *is not a felony*. Actually, according to the DCMA, any decrypting is a felony. Whether you would be prosecuted for say converting your Firefly DVDs into a copy you take with you on trips, so you don't have to worry if they are broken/lost/stolen/damaged is debatable. But its still a felony to do so. The court did not rule on that part of the DMCA in regards to people making copies. In fact they explicitly stated they were not ruling on that. It was a narrow ruling in regards to programs written to do this. Like i said a fine legal distinction. Also there have been DMCA cases that have not found in favor of this. The adobe case comes to mind in regards to encrypted PDFs. The caselaw is conflicting. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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No matter how you read the law, it is still theft if you copy a commercial DVD for distribution, but then your moral standards may allow that type of behavior. Tom On 1/22/06 6:53 PM, Lawrence Sica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The court did not rule on that part of the DMCA in regards to people making copies. In fact they explicitly stated they were not ruling on that. It was a narrow ruling in regards to programs written to do this. Like i said a fine legal distinction. Also there have been DMCA cases that have not found in favor of this. The adobe case comes to mind in regards to encrypted PDFs. The caselaw is conflicting. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Tom Ethen wrote: No matter how you read the law, it is still theft if you copy a commercial DVD for distribution, but then your moral standards may allow that type of behavior. Well I was not talking about morality. I was talking about the law. They are rarely the same thing. And questioning one's moral standards really doesn't belong in this discussion. I am not going to say anymore on that topic. --Larry -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Jan 22, 2006, at 8:25 PM, Tom Ethen wrote: No matter how you read the law, it is still theft if you copy a commercial DVD for distribution, but then your moral standards may allow that type of behavior. Copying a movie you purchased (that act itself) is clearly not theft. Violation of fuzzy, poorly-defined, badly written legislation purchased by corporate interests? Yes, it is that. If someone gets their morals from what is legal, then I'd submit that's a BIG part of what is demonstrably wrong with the processes as they are implemented today. It's legal for a business to declare bankruptcy and forget about the money people have paid into pensions for retirement funds, for example. Would you call that morally allowable? I think not... Anyway. It's certainly possible to put most DVDs on your mac for your personal use, although it's a little easier with Windows software. Hope that helps the original guy out! Brian -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Sunday, Jan 22, 2006, at 19:43 America/Chicago, Brian McEwen wrote: If someone gets their morals from what is legal, then I'd submit that's a BIG part of what is demonstrably wrong with the processes as they are implemented today. It's legal for a business to declare bankruptcy and forget about the money people have paid into pensions for retirement funds, for example. Would you call that morally allowable? I think not... That reminds me of a quote from Linus Torvalds, that basically says that there is something wrong with your morals if you derive morality from law. However, Can we take this back on topic? It's becoming a political shoutfest, and getting away from our key topic, which is discussion of Mac problems and solutions to said problems. I hate to be the one to do this, but we're not here to discuss the morality of the law. If you want to do that, take it off-list. That's all I have to say on the matter, Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Dennis Goglin [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked: So I guess my question is two-fold: 1. Is it possible to save/copy a movie from a dvd that I have either rented or borrowed? It's very possible, in several different ways. For example, I use HandBrake to rip to .mp4 files DVDs my 6YO daughter owns so she can have the movie resident on her iMac's HD to play anytime she wishes. That way I'm able to keep expensive and fragile DVDs from otherwise certain destruction. I also use DVDshrink on my PC to make DVD-R copies, again for personal BU of DVDs we own. However I'm not aware of any Mac utility that matches DVDshrink's abilities and convenience. 2.Is doing this illegal? It's always illegal in the good ol' USofA to make any sort of copy of any copy-protected DVD (or anything else copy-protected actually.) The lawbreaking is the part where you have to de-crypt the DVD in order to copy it, bypassing the anti-copying protections. That said, AFAIK the actual copying of owned DVDs' contents for personal use remains legal. That's nice and simple, right? :-P It's never legal to copy a DVD you don't own, however I'm quite sure lots of folks do this with little ethical angst. ;-) dan k . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
Quoth a listmate: Copying a movie you purchased (that act itself) is clearly not theft. Violation of fuzzy, poorly-defined, badly written legislation purchased by corporate interests? Yes, it is that. I think the more pertinent question that hasn't been addressed (if it has, I'm sorry to have missed it) is that: It's entirely possible and easy to rip DVDs using almost any computer. It either is or isn't legal to burn a copy for your own personal use -- the RIAA is fighting against Fair Use, and they'll likely win -- but that's really not the main concern. The primary worry of the RIAA (and/or MPAA) is the money they think they're losing on /sale/ of copies where they don't get paid. Forget for a moment that royalties are already built into every blank CD-R and DVD-R out there, this is the post-DMCA era now. I've never seen anyone get Agents at their door for making copies for their own use, or even burning a copy or two for friends. If you're making 200 or 5000 copies and distributing them without turning over 150% of your profits to the RIAA/MPAA, then you're asking for it. In sum: Just keep your legal-or-not copying on the down-low, and you shouldn't have anything to worry about. And don't P2P file-share /anything/ if you know what's good for you. Cheers, A.J. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: downloading movies
on 22/01/06 21:37, Dan K at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also use DVDshrink on my PC to make DVD-R copies, again for personal BU of DVDs we own. However I'm not aware of any Mac utility that matches DVDshrink's abilities and convenience. Have you tried MacTheRipper with Popcorn? -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GIGO /gi:'goh/ [acronym]: 1. `Garbage In, Garbage Out' -- usually said in response to lusers who complain that a program didn't do the right thing when given imperfect input or otherwise mistreated in some way. Also commonly used to describe failures in human decision making due to faulty, incomplete, or imprecise data. 2. `Garbage In, Gospel Out': this more recent expansion is a sardonic comment on the tendency human beings have to put excessive trust in `computerized' data. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
