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Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread Tom


(This is a G5 running 10.5.6).

One of my Mac's two internal hard drives dropped dead five days ago,
but I had Time Machine keeping track of both of them, so I should be
able to get the backed-up data from the dead drive onto the new
replacement drive that I will shortly install. Right? (Say right.)

Except, I'm not sure how to restore things with Time Machine, since I
never did it before, and I was hoping somebody here can answer a
question I have before I try it.

I have to go back five days in Time Machine to see the last backup of
the dead drive, and meanwhile I have five days of additional changes
to the other drive.

If I go back five days in Time Machine to retrieve the dead drive's
data, and I tell TM to Restore it to a replacement drive, will TM
restore BOTH drives to the way they were five days ago? I don't want
that, I want TM to leave the good drive current. Can I highlight ONLY
the 1-gig's backup folder, and tell TM to restore it to the new drive,
and it will do that and leave the other drive alone?

Tom
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Re: Linux on PPC- which distro? ... and G3 project.

2009-09-04 Thread Paul Kemner

I had not heard of Classilla. I used iCab before I upgraded the G3, but
nagware wouldn't be appropriate for kids. Is there a big collection of kids
games and edu-games similar to gCompris? Or does one need to troll
shareware/freeware sites?
Classilla could use a a listing on wikipedia.

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Re: Linux on PPC- which distro? ... and G3 project.

2009-09-04 Thread WhyOSX


The Performas 5400 came with an educational and entertaing software collection 
for children.
But search the macintoshgarden.org for what you think your children should play 
or learn with.
Lars

>I had not heard of Classilla. I used iCab before I upgraded the G3, but
>nagware wouldn't be appropriate for kids. Is there a big collection of kids
>games and edu-games similar to gCompris? Or does one need to troll
>shareware/freeware sites?
>Classilla could use a a listing on wikipedia.
>
>>

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Re: Lombard power issues

2009-09-04 Thread Dan


At 2:17 AM -0400 9/4/2009, PETER WARNER wrote:
>
>As clearly stipulated in the trailer of every Group message, 
>including your three messages in this Off-Topic thread, the LEM G-
>Group is for discussions about G3, G4, and G5 DESKTOP Macs, of which 
>your Lombard is not.  Please move this thread to the G-books Group,
>and refrain from posting Off-Topic messages to our Group in the future.
>Fabian Fang
>LEM G-Group Manager

What ever happened to the one-off rule?

This was a productive informative thread.  Now the knowledge will be split...

- Dan.
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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-04 Thread Dan


At 10:44 PM -0700 9/3/2009, Clark Martin wrote:
>  >> 
>  >> Yup! Absolutely a necessity!
>  > ... and the kids too!! We all have aging Macs that work very well and
>>  afford some level of privacy.
>
>His and hers Macs???  What an odd concept.  Here it's his, hers, hers,
>hers, hers, his, his, his, his, his, his...  That's every one (me, wife,
>3 kids) have a laptop and I have a few more.  Hard to see getting by on
>just ONE computer.

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
-- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
-- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

:)

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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson



On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:12 AM, Tom wrote:

>
> (This is a G5 running 10.5.6).
>

> If I go back five days in Time Machine to retrieve the dead drive's
> data, and I tell TM to Restore it to a replacement drive, will TM
> restore BOTH drives to the way they were five days ago? I don't want
> that, I want TM to leave the good drive current. Can I highlight ONLY
> the 1-gig's backup folder, and tell TM to restore it to the new drive,
> and it will do that and leave the other drive alone?

How it works is this: when you install the new drive, you then install  
OS X from your 10.5 disk. After the OS is installed, the setup asks  
you if you want to import your data from another mac or disk. So long  
as the time machine volume is online, it will restore the data that  
was on that drive...it will not overwrite newer information on the  
other disk.



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iTunes shuffle question

2009-09-04 Thread Roger Kulp


Is there a way to turn off iTunes shuffle? It's really annoying when
you have a CD with multiple symphonies or an opera where it plays the
acts or movements out of sequence.

   Roger

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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread Tom


Thanks Bruce. And since I've decided to replace the other drive too,
as a precaution (they're both 5 years old), I guess I'll do that
twice, once with each drive.

Then I'll be back to where I was originally, before the drive failure,
only with new drives instead of old ones.

Tom
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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread John Martz

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Tom wrote:
> And since I've decided to replace the other drive too,
> as a precaution (they're both 5 years old), I guess I'll do that
> twice, once with each drive.

There are always lot of unknowns in trying to predict drive failure.
If the drive has been heavily used constantly throughout those 5 years
then it's probably a good idea. But if it were me, I wouldn't
necessarily rush right out to a big box store and pay whatever the
going rate was for a replacement drive. Especially if you're already
routinely backing up this drive.

You can save some money by looking around and waiting for a good
buying opportunity. Of course, none of that matters if the potential
price saving doesn't matter to you. Tastes vary on this. I was just
guessing that if you're maintaining an older Mac then perhaps you
might also be price sensitive.

Either way, you'll potentially be surprised at the improvement in
performance using a drive with the latest technology might buy you.
Things have changed noticeably even within the last 2 years.

-irrational john

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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-04 Thread James Therrault



On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
> -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment  
> Corp., 1977
>


Heh...   And we all know what happened to Digital Equipment!



JT

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lock email

2009-09-04 Thread Michael J. Amato


Why not set up a separate user account for the computer complete with  
password?

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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Tom wrote:

>
> Thanks Bruce. And since I've decided to replace the other drive too,
> as a precaution (they're both 5 years old), I guess I'll do that
> twice, once with each drive.

Were each of them boot drives or was one a data drive?

>
> Then I'll be back to where I was originally, before the drive failure,
> only with new drives instead of old ones.

Yep. This worked like a charm for a professor here who came to me  
worried about his drive which was showing signs of failing. Told him  
to right away get an external drive and run TM. Apple replaced the  
original hard drive (it's still under warrantee) and he put it in ,  
ran the setup and was back, good as new in about an hour. He thinks TM  
is the greatest now...

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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson



On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:27 AM, James Therrault wrote:

>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Dan wrote:
>
>>
>> "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
>> -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment   
>> Corp., 1977
>>
>
>
> Heh...   And we all know what happened to Digital Equipment!
>
> 

Swallowed in the merger mania of the 90's. Compaq ate DEC and was  
eaten by HP. HP came REAL close to looking like this:



We still have major campus systems running on OpenVMS. DEC will be  
with us a long long time.


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Re: iTunes shuffle question

2009-09-04 Thread Roger Kulp

OK thanks

--- On Fri, 9/4/09, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

From: Bruce Johnson 
Subject: Re: iTunes shuffle question
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 11:18 AM

On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Roger Kulp wrote:

>
> Is there a way to turn off iTunes shuffle? It's really annoying when
> you have a CD with multiple symphonies or an opera where it plays the
> acts or movements out of sequence.

Of course there is. From the menu : Controls > Shuffle > Turn off  
Shuffle. (which is what it will say if it's on, it will
 say 'Turn On  
Shuffle' if it's off.)

If shuffle isn't the culprit, it may be the way you're ordering the  
songs in the playlist. You want to order it by Album, which will  
automatically put the song on the album in track order.

If it's still not in order, (and it may not be, depending on the music  
source) select each track from the album, press command-i and enter  
the correct track number for each piece.

You can also merge multiple tracks into one.

 is $10 shareware, and
 is free  
for the basic version.

This will let you merge the entire album into one track so even in  
shuffle mode it
 will play the entire thing in order.

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Re: iTunes shuffle question

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Roger Kulp wrote:

>
> Is there a way to turn off iTunes shuffle? It's really annoying when
> you have a CD with multiple symphonies or an opera where it plays the
> acts or movements out of sequence.

Of course there is. From the menu : Controls > Shuffle > Turn off  
Shuffle. (which is what it will say if it's on, it will say 'Turn On  
Shuffle' if it's off.)

If shuffle isn't the culprit, it may be the way you're ordering the  
songs in the playlist. You want to order it by Album, which will  
automatically put the song on the album in track order.

If it's still not in order, (and it may not be, depending on the music  
source) select each track from the album, press command-i and enter  
the correct track number for each piece.

You can also merge multiple tracks into one.

 is $10 shareware, and
 is free  
for the basic version.

This will let you merge the entire album into one track so even in  
shuffle mode it will play the entire thing in order.

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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-04 Thread Clark Martin


Dan wrote:
> At 10:44 PM -0700 9/3/2009, Clark Martin wrote:
>>  >> 
>>  >> Yup! Absolutely a necessity!
>>  > ... and the kids too!! We all have aging Macs that work very well and
>>>  afford some level of privacy.
>> His and hers Macs???  What an odd concept.  Here it's his, hers, hers,
>> hers, hers, his, his, his, his, his, his...  That's every one (me, wife,
>> 3 kids) have a laptop and I have a few more.  Hard to see getting by on
>> just ONE computer.
> 
> "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
> -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
> 
> "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
> -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
> 
> "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
> -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977

I always snicker at Tom Hanks line in Apollo 13 when he's escorting 
congresscritters around and is talking about a "computer that fits on a 
desk"



You gotta really hand it to Ken Olson there for being such a visionary. 
:)  At least the others had little data to work on.


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Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Re: Lombard power issues

2009-09-04 Thread PETER WARNER


On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> What ever happened to the one-off rule?
>
> This was a productive informative thread.  Now the knowledge will  
> be split...
>
> - Dan.
Maybe not Dan, since I can't seem to get my G-Books subscription  
going, and my post isn't going through anyway.

BTW I do (happily) have a Dual 450 G4, as my main machine, so I am  
not in the wrong list all together... I noticed the one-off rule too

Peter
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Re: lock email

2009-09-04 Thread Jeffrey Engle



On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Michael J. Amato wrote:

>
> Why not set up a separate user account for the computer complete with
> password?
>
because it's not just the account on the computer... it's bank  
accounts, paypal accounts, amazon accounts, ebay accounts you have  
to have two separate bank accounts to have two paypal accounts... it  
gets very complicated. I have a hard enough time just keeping track of  
the accounts I have now.. .. Jeff

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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Sep 4, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Clark Martin wrote:

>>
>> "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
>> -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment  
>> Corp., 1977
>

> You gotta really hand it to Ken Olson there for being such a  
> visionary.
> :)  At least the others had little data to work on.
>

You also have to realize that in 1977 'a computer in your home' 
 couldn't do a whole lot, and Ken was selling systems the size of a  
refrigerator.  which  
were known as 'minicomputers'.

A 'computer' to Olson, meant one of these 
.

Even the Apple II (introduced in 1977) really couldn't do much in  
1977. It wasn't until Apple Writer and Visicalc were introduced in  
1979 that personal computers really turned into something other than a  
hobbyists toy. There was Electric Pencil, which came out in 1976 and  
was the first electronic word processing program, but getting it  
working on the systems of the day was, shall we say, less than user- 
friendly.

Visicalc didn't require you know how to do anything but plug things in  
and turn it on.

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RE: iTunes shuffle question

2009-09-04 Thread WhyOSX


Choose another player, name the titles correctly 
(starting with numbers is the easiest way) - that will work.
If there are more than ten tracks, don't forget the leading "0" (Zero).
Lars

>
>Is there a way to turn off iTunes shuffle? It's really annoying when
>you have a CD with multiple symphonies or an opera where it plays the
>acts or movements out of sequence.
>
>   Roger
>
>>

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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-04 Thread WhyOSX


Does anyone remember HAL ?
A HAL 9000?

>
>Dan wrote:
>> At 10:44 PM -0700 9/3/2009, Clark Martin wrote:
>>>  >> 
>>>  >> Yup! Absolutely a necessity!
>>>  > ... and the kids too!! We all have aging Macs that work very well and
  afford some level of privacy.
>>> His and hers Macs???  What an odd concept.  Here it's his, hers, hers,
>>> hers, hers, his, his, his, his, his, his...  That's every one (me, wife,
>>> 3 kids) have a laptop and I have a few more.  Hard to see getting by on
>>> just ONE computer.
>> 
>> "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
>> -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
>> 
>> "Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
>> -- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
>> 
>> "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
>> -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 
>1977
>
>I always snicker at Tom Hanks line in Apollo 13 when he's escorting 
>congresscritters around and is talking about a "computer that fits on a 
>desk"
>
>
>
>You gotta really hand it to Ken Olson there for being such a visionary. 
>:)  At least the others had little data to work on.
>
>
>-- 
>Clark Martin
>Redwood City, CA, USA
>Macintosh / Internet Consulting
>
>"I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway"
>
>>

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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread Tom

Come to think of it, Bruce, both drives, the dead one and the one
still running, have (had) bootable 10.5s on them. Which means that
when Time Machine restores the second drive, it will bring in another
OS on top of the freshly installed one. I wonder if that will be a
problem.

Will the two OSs on the same drive fight with each other, or is TM
smart enough to combine them, or eliminate one?

John, thanks for the advice on buying drives, but I'm too lazy right
now to hunt around for hot deals on new ones, and OWC has always been
a reliable company, so I just up and ordered up two of these 1-TB ones
from them: . There is a cheaper version of
the same drive offered there ($87 vs. $139, see ), but you get what you pay for and this model has a 5 year
warranty and they brag about a million hours and more before it
croaks. So I splurged a little, and with 2-day delivery I ought to be
back in business pretty soon (unless I get all tangled up in Time
Machine for some reason. . . .).

The drive that died, by the way, was a 1 TB Seagate Barracuda, which
was in this used G5 (dual 2.0) when I bought it off eBay. No telling
how much use it had before I got it, but since the owner was a video
editor using Final Cut Pro, I suspect it was a lot.

Tom
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Re: iTunes shuffle question

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson



On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:09 PM, WhyOSX wrote:

>
> Choose another player, name the titles correctly
> (starting with numbers is the easiest way) - that will work.
> If there are more than ten tracks, don't forget the leading  
> "0" (Zero).
> Lars

If your music player depends on filenames to be numbered in the  
correct order it's pretty primitive.

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facebook

2009-09-04 Thread Charles Lenington


I keep getting invites to fagbook. What is it, is it secure, why do i 
want it. does it run on macs?

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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread Bruce Johnson



On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Tom wrote:

> Come to think of it, Bruce, both drives, the dead one and the one
> still running, have (had) bootable 10.5s on them. Which means that
> when Time Machine restores the second drive, it will bring in another
> OS on top of the freshly installed one. I wonder if that will be a
> problem.


Time Machine is much smarter than that. It will not restore anything  
newer than what it has in it's database. Moreover, even if it did, if  
it's up-to-date, it won't make a difference, because it's just  
replacing one file with the duplicate.

Seriously...you're overthinking the problem...it's a LOT simpler than  
you think it is.

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Re: Question about how Time Machine works

2009-09-04 Thread John Martz

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Tom wrote:
> ... OWC has always been
> a reliable company, so I just up and ordered up two of these 1-TB ones
> from them: . There is a cheaper version of
> the same drive offered there ($87 vs. $139, see  mjm49f>), but ç and this model has a 5 year
> warranty and they brag about a million hours and more before it
> croaks.

The Hitachi Deskstar E7K1000 looks like it is an "enterprise" version
of their mainstream 7K1000.B. I'm not well informed on all the
potential differences so perhaps others will jump in here. But the
main differences I could see were:

- a 32MB cache instead of 16MB
- a failure rate of 1 in 10**15 versus 1 in 10**14
- the 5 year warranty versus just the 3 year for the 7K1000.B

I think the drives you bought are claimed to be better for use in a
RAID array. As I say, I have no idea how much of a difference they may
make versus the lower cost more general purpose 7K1000.B.

I have two of the 7K1000.B 1TB drives. The last one I got for $65 from
newegg.com as an OEM drive (seems the most frequent way drives are
sold these days). There's also a $10 rebate for it so if I can get off
my butt and submit it the net price would be closer to $56.

IMO "you get what you pay for" is often as much a hopeful prayer for
the future as a reliable rule of thumb. I also think that part of what
you are paying extra for are intangibles such as confidence in a
particular retailer. Only the buyer can judge how important that is to
them.

In the end, the important thing is that you be happy with your
purchase and it sounds as though you are, so 'nuff said.

What do you plan to do with the nominally still working 5 year old
drive you'll be replacing with one of the new E7K1000s? If it were me,
I'd find some other way to try to continue to get some use out of it.
(Of course, I'd also want to run the manufacturer's diagnostic
software on it to get an idea of how failure prone it might be.)

BTW, as long as that drive is still functioning you could also just
copy/clone it directly to the replacement drive rather than restore it
from Time Machine. Since your Mac is running Leopard you should just
be able to use Disk Utility to copy/clone the non-failed drive to one
of the new Hitachi's provided you can have all three drives mounted at
the same time. That is, if you can temporarily mount 3 drives
internally in your G5 or temporarily attach the new one via an
external USB/Firewire enclosure.

Just because you have a Time Machine backup doesn't mean you must use
it ... unless that's what you really want to do. :-)

-irrational john

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