Re: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

[ah...clem]

On May 30, 7:58 pm, gifutiger  wrote:
>
> Have you tried just connecting the Pioneer drive to the same cable and
> port that the Seagate is connected?
> Give it a try and see what happens.
>

thanks.  but i did try the obvious.  the cables are both good.  had 2
HDs connected, no problem.  also booted from an IDE HD and system
still would not see DVD when it was the only thing on the PCI/SATA
card.  in fact, it wouldn't even see the ACard when only the DVD was
attached, tho it does see the ACard when nothing is attached, and when
the boot HD is on the other SATA port.  just won't see the DVD.

and the DVD drive is brand new Pioneer DVR-218L, right out of the box.

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Re: USB 3.0

[Dan]

At 12:29 AM -0400 5/31/2010, iJohn wrote:

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Kris Tilford  wrote:

 Microsoft has such pull that USB3 will certainly have a lot of vendor
 support even if LightPeak beats it all around. It could be the USB/Firewire
 battle all over again?


Why on earth do folks associate Microsoft with hardware standards?
Microsoft is a software company. I don't see why they'd be for or
against the adoption of hardware unless there were also significant
software issues involved.


Microsoft is the gatekeeper.  MS controls the primary PC platform 
specification.  NO interface is added without MS' approval.  If the 
interface isn't fully supported by Windows, it dies.



My understanding is that USB is and always has been one of Intel's
babies.


Sortof.  It was a group effort: Intel, Compaq, Microsoft, NEC, DEC, and IBM.


Microsoft has no skin in that game other than they have to at
least not get in the way of supporting USB 3.0.


What good is a fast interface if the OS cannot keep up with it?  See above.


Apple actually has a lot more latitude than Microsoft since they
control what is or is not allowed to work in their systems.


True, to a point.  The problem is what happens if Apple throws the 
party and noone comes.  Look at how few Firewire devices there be.



But I expect you will see USB 3.0 showing up on Mac's simply because they
will be using Intel chipsets. And since USB is Intel's, their chipsets
*are* going to support USB 3.0.


Perhaps.  Apple is loathe to go backwards tho.  As they proved over 
and over - IDE, USB 1, USB 2, eSATA - they're in no rush to adapt 
so-so interfaces.  It is more likely that they'll go with something 
like Light Peak, and either offer adapters for the old interfaces or 
tell us to suck it up and buy new peripherals.


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Re: USB 3.0

[Peter Haas]

On May 30, 2010, at 9:29 PM, iJohn wrote:


My understanding is that USB is and always has been one of Intel's
babies. Microsoft has no skin in that game other than they have to at
least not get in the way of supporting USB 3.0.

Apple actually has a lot more latitude than Microsoft since they
control what is or is not allowed to work in their systems. But I
expect you will see USB 3.0 showing up on Mac's simply because they
will be using Intel chipsets. And since USB is Intel's, their chipsets
*are* going to support USB 3.0.


The USB support is in the Southbridge, and so far Apple has been  
using Intel's Southbridges.


Intel is not expected to support 3.0 for a while, as it is  
concentrating its resources in other areas.



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Re: USB 3.0

[iJohn]

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> Microsoft has such pull that USB3 will certainly have a lot of vendor
> support even if LightPeak beats it all around. It could be the USB/Firewire
> battle all over again?

Why on earth do folks associate Microsoft with hardware standards?
Microsoft is a software company. I don't see why they'd be for or
against the adoption of hardware unless there were also significant
software issues involved.

My understanding is that USB is and always has been one of Intel's
babies. Microsoft has no skin in that game other than they have to at
least not get in the way of supporting USB 3.0.

Apple actually has a lot more latitude than Microsoft since they
control what is or is not allowed to work in their systems. But I
expect you will see USB 3.0 showing up on Mac's simply because they
will be using Intel chipsets. And since USB is Intel's, their chipsets
*are* going to support USB 3.0.

And then sometime after all this we may move yet again to LightPeak
... Have to keep selling that hardware ... :-)

-irrational john

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Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4

[Dan]

At 5:52 PM -0500 5/30/2010, Stephen Conrad wrote:


Insert my usual gripes about Safari 4.0.5 and its known memory leak.


Oh, get over it.  EVERY browser on the market leaks.

1)  Just run WebKit Nightly on top of Safari 4.0.5.  That way you get 
the latest Safari, with its HTML 5 support and the security holes 
plugged, the faster webkit, and (flash issues aside) fewer leaks.


2) How does your "gripe" pertain to the OP's issue?   Stop with the 
thread hijacking.  Please.


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Re: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

[Chance Reecher]

Where are you getting that 12MB/s figure? I'm pretty sure USB 2.0 is
good for up to 60MB/s, and I personally have seen around 40MB/s.

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 7:28 PM, ah...clem  wrote:

> because the USB2 will limit xfers to a maximum of around 12MB/s
> (approx 8x DVD speed).
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RE: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

[Stewie de Young]

> Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 16:28:52 -0700
> Subject: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?
> From: boneheads...@gmail.com
> To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> 
> hey all!  i've been using an ACard 6290M PCI/SATA controller in a QS
> for a while now, and it works beautifully with a 1TB Seagate (boot
> disk) connected.  but i just tried to connect a Pioneer DVD/CD drive
> w/ SATA interface to the second SATA port on the ACard, and it is not
> recognized, and it makes the video all glitchy when i boot from the
> SATA HD on port #1.  all the latest drivers and firmware updates from
> ACard were already installed.  the optical drive is good, because it
> works if i run it thru a SATA/USB2 bridge.  even tho i have a USB2
> card w/ an internal USB2 port, that is not a permanent solution
> because the USB2 will limit xfers to a maximum of around 12MB/s
> (approx 8x DVD speed).  does anyone know of a PCI/SATA controller that
> will work with both SATA HDs and SATA optical drives?  thx.
> 
I've been using a FirmTek SeriTek/1S2 in my MDD and a Sonnet SATA ( which from 
all the reports I've seen is a rebranded Seritek anyway ) in my DA for two 
years now.
My MDD has a 75Gb Raptor hooked up to it with OS10.4.11 and I also tried one of 
my friends SATA Matshita optical drives too just because I could. It booted a 
Tiger disk just fine but I didn't do any extensive testing preferring my 
already installed Pioneer Superdrive instead.
One problem I encountered was that the Raptor would not fire up or be 
recognised if I used the SATA cable but if I connected it via the standard 4 
pin Molex power cable - no problems. I tried a couple of these other cables too 
that I borrowed from a friend and none of them worked. I had him come around 
and we were able to test it with his multi-meter and all the correct power 
outputs were there so I still don't know the problem.
You also don't tell us the model drive. Some of the older ones came with an 
IDE/SATA bridge that can be problemmatical. Newer ones don't.
Some PCI SATA cards can have hard drives attached to them but you cannot boot 
from these drives as well - just something to be aware of.

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Re: USB 3.0

[Kris Tilford]

On May 30, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Peter Haas wrote:


Gigabyte, and others, have had USB 3.0 mobos on the market for months.


Won't work in OS X even on a hack without an OS X USB 3.0 extension  
which doesn't exist AFAIK.


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Re: USB 3.0

[Peter Haas]

On May 30, 2010, at 7:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:

I was in Fry's today and happened to notice external HDD 3.5"  
enclosures that stated USB 3.0. I never saw these before.

Is that something that needs special support from my computers?


Gigabyte, and others, have had USB 3.0 mobos on the market for months.


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Re: USB 3.0

[Kris Tilford]

On May 30, 2010, at 9:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:

I was in Fry's today and happened to notice external HDD 3.5"  
enclosures that stated USB 3.0. I never saw these before.
Is that something that needs special support from my computers? Can  
I download something that will make my USB faster?

Do I get a card to utilize it?


There's no OS X support for USB3 yet, and may never be. Apple is  
supporting Intel LightPeak as a successor to USB1/2 and  
Firewire400/800, so it's possible that USB3 support may never  
materialize, although I'd not bet on it. Microsoft has such pull that  
USB3 will certainly have a lot of vendor support even if LightPeak  
beats it all around. It could be the USB/Firewire battle all over again?


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Re: USB 3.0

[Jeffrey Engle]

I believe you'll need a USB3.0 PCIe card funny it looks like USB  
3.0 has been out since late last year, but do you see it on Apple  
stuff? nope, not yet. As for me, I'm waiting till Apple's got it  
before I buy my next upgrade. Till then I'm happy with my 5-6 year  
old's :-) Jeff

On May 30, 2010, at 7:41 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote:


Hi All
I was in Fry's today and happened to notice external HDD 3.5"  
enclosures that stated USB 3.0. I never saw these before.
Is that something that needs special support from my computers? Can  
I download something that will make my USB faster?

Do I get a card to utilize it?

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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USB 3.0

[JOHN CARMONNE]

Hi All
I was in Fry's today and happened to notice external HDD 3.5"  
enclosures that stated USB 3.0. I never saw these before.
Is that something that needs special support from my computers? Can I  
download something that will make my USB faster?

Do I get a card to utilize it?

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

[John Carmonne]

On May 30, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

> On May 30, 2010, at 6:39 PM, larry moore & shirley allan wrote:
> 
>> A rescue G4,  with one slot of memory populated,
> 
> Someone was selling a full set of RAM that fits for $5 on LEM-Swap yesterday. 
> It's probably gone now, but this Mac should use RAM that's really cheap now 
> used. The difference between 9.2.2 and 10.4.11 like the difference between 
> walking a rocky trail where you trip on your face from time-to-time and 
> driving on a paved street where you may need to stop for gas periodically. If 
> this is for an older person that doesn't know much Mac stuff, OS X is the 
> better option simply because of the stability in my opinion.
> 


Yeah I second that, Tiger is much easier to keep up, but I still remember the 
kicking and screaming along the route away from my OS 9.
Now I only boot it because I have a CAD/CAM that requires Dongle that only runs 
booted in 7,8,9.
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

[Kris Tilford]

On May 30, 2010, at 6:39 PM, larry moore & shirley allan wrote:


A rescue G4,  with one slot of memory populated,


Someone was selling a full set of RAM that fits for $5 on LEM-Swap  
yesterday. It's probably gone now, but this Mac should use RAM that's  
really cheap now used. The difference between 9.2.2 and 10.4.11 like  
the difference between walking a rocky trail where you trip on your  
face from time-to-time and driving on a paved street where you may  
need to stop for gas periodically. If this is for an older person that  
doesn't know much Mac stuff, OS X is the better option simply because  
of the stability in my opinion.


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Re: G5 printer duplexer?

[JOHN CARMONNE]

On May 30, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Fabian Fang wrote:


On May 30, 2010, at 3:46 PM, John Carmonne wrote:


On May 30, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Fabian Fang wrote:


On May 30, 2010, at 8:37 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I have a G5 iMac 2.8 that has an Epson Artisan 800 printer and I  
need to find a duplexer for it but I find nothing.

Is there anyone who knows about these?


It is readily available from numerous sources.  Do a Google  
product search for "Epson C12C802522"


Well I've found non available from any of the sellers using that  
search criteria.



I suggested a Google "product" (or Shopping) search, not a general  
Google search:




I cannot believe that the Epson Duplexer is not available from any  
of the 25+ vendors.




So far everyone says out of stock, order now or call for availiblity.

JOHN CARMONNE
Yorba Linda USA
From TiBook 800




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Re: SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

[gifutiger]

Greetings

Altho I wasn't trying to connect a SATA drive and a CD/DVD when I
connected two drives the first time I had similar problems.
Turned out the the second SATA cable was bed.

Have you tried just connecting the Pioneer drive to the same cable and
port that the Seagate is connected?
Give it a try and see what happens.

Cheers

Harry
San Jose


On May 30, 4:28 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> hey all!  i've been using an ACard 6290M PCI/SATA controller in a QS
> for a while now, and it works beautifully with a 1TB Seagate (boot
> disk) connected.  but i just tried to connect a Pioneer DVD/CD drive
> w/ SATA interface to the second SATA port on the ACard, and it is not
> recognized, and it makes the video all glitchy when i boot from the
> SATA HD on port #1.  all the latest drivers and firmware updates from
> ACard were already installed.  the optical drive is good, because it
> works if i run it thru a SATA/USB2 bridge.  even tho i have a USB2
> card w/ an internal USB2 port, that is not a permanent solution
> because the USB2 will limit xfers to a maximum of around 12MB/s
> (approx 8x DVD speed).  does anyone know of a PCI/SATA controller that
> will work with both SATA HDs and SATA optical drives?  thx.

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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

[larry moore & shirley allan]

On 30/05/10 04:20 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

On May 30, 2010, at 9:41 AM, larry moore wrote:


Does anyone have suggestions on how to get past this roadblock
and upgrade her G4 to (eventually,) 9.2.2?


Download a different browser. For freeware browsers, the most modern 
available is the Wamcom 1.3.1 Mozilla from 2003:





Ack and thanks.

To fully upgrade to 9.2.2 you need to do each increment separately, 
going 9.1, 9.2.1, and finally 9.2.2. See:




A B&W with a G4 should really be max'd out RAM with a Radeon video 
card running Tiger 10.4.11 with an OS X browser. With MacOS 9.x ALL 
the browsers are so antiquated that you'll never have a good 
experience on modern websites. You've got to upgrade this Mac ASAP or 
live with the bad consequences.


A rescue G4,  with one slot of memory populated,  used by a senior who 
is comfortable using MacOS 9
for drawing,  writing her journal and downloading her camera and mp3 
player.
She shows no interest in the Net, using a Facebook account etc, so she 
doesn't miss having a good
browser. I'll get classilla and mozilla as suggested, though. her tastes 
may change.


I was given an off-list  cluebat on getting the 9.0.4 --> 9.2.2 
upgraders from the Apple site,

and they ran successfully.   Two-Person Happy Dance!

cluebat: the download links on the -ja pages work.


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Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

[Daniel Stewart]

Well yeah that is kind of what defines open source, but you could say
the same thing about Windows and with the exception on Windows 7  I
have found nothing more reliable then the open source stuff on the PC
side.  I am wondering if I would be better going with an out of date,
and unsupported version os OS X or a distro of Linux that will
continue to be supported and developped by enthusiasts.

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dennis Myhand  wrote:
> Scotty wrote:
>>
>> I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it
>> came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it.  I
>> don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk
>> that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old "Lampshade"
>> iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I
>> could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if
>> anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best
>> performance out of my hardware.
>>
>
> Stick with OS-X.  Buy whatever copy you need to put on your Mac.  I would
> not have said this 5 years ago.  OS-X is what happens when you pay the
> programmers.  Linux is what happens when you talk them into volunteering.
>  Peace, Dennis in Victoria
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SATA DVD drive on PCI/SATA controller?

[ah...clem]

hey all!  i've been using an ACard 6290M PCI/SATA controller in a QS
for a while now, and it works beautifully with a 1TB Seagate (boot
disk) connected.  but i just tried to connect a Pioneer DVD/CD drive
w/ SATA interface to the second SATA port on the ACard, and it is not
recognized, and it makes the video all glitchy when i boot from the
SATA HD on port #1.  all the latest drivers and firmware updates from
ACard were already installed.  the optical drive is good, because it
works if i run it thru a SATA/USB2 bridge.  even tho i have a USB2
card w/ an internal USB2 port, that is not a permanent solution
because the USB2 will limit xfers to a maximum of around 12MB/s
(approx 8x DVD speed).  does anyone know of a PCI/SATA controller that
will work with both SATA HDs and SATA optical drives?  thx.

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Re: G5 printer duplexer?

[Fabian Fang]

On May 30, 2010, at 3:46 PM, John Carmonne wrote:


On May 30, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Fabian Fang wrote:


On May 30, 2010, at 8:37 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I have a G5 iMac 2.8 that has an Epson Artisan 800 printer and I  
need to find a duplexer for it but I find nothing.

Is there anyone who knows about these?


It is readily available from numerous sources.  Do a Google product  
search for "Epson C12C802522"


Well I've found non available from any of the sellers using that  
search criteria.



I suggested a Google "product" (or Shopping) search, not a general  
Google search:




I cannot believe that the Epson Duplexer is not available from any of  
the 25+ vendors.


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Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

[Dennis Myhand]

Scotty wrote:

I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it
came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it.  I
don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk
that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old "Lampshade"
iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I
could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if
anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best
performance out of my hardware.



Stick with OS-X.  Buy whatever copy you need to put on your Mac.  I 
would not have said this 5 years ago.  OS-X is what happens when you pay 
the programmers.  Linux is what happens when you talk them into 
volunteering.  Peace, Dennis in Victoria


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933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac OS Linux or OS X?

[Scotty]

I have a used G4 Quicksilver w/1.25 GB RAM that I love and well it
came with 10.5 installed but I have to re-install an OS on it.  I
don't have a copy of 10.5 , but I do have the Original OS 10.2 disk
that came with the Quicksilver, A copy of 10.4 from my old "Lampshade"
iMac G4 that I am not sure if it will work with the Power Mac or I
could look into a PPC Linux or BSD distro and I was wondering if
anyone had any suggestions in terms of what I would get the best
performance out of my hardware.

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Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4

[Stephen Conrad]

On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Dan  wrote:

> At 6:41 AM -0700 5/30/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote:
>
>> I just tried to go to my high school reunion social networking site
>> (which is on Shutterfly).  I seems that it requires Safari 3.0 or
>> higher, EXCEPT 3.0.4.  Naturally, that's what I have on my MDD running
>> 10.4.  Being a naturally suspicious person, I want to know why this
>> site would hate 3.0.4 so much before I download an upgrade just to
>> make Shutterfly happy.  Does anybody know?  Should I hate Safari 3.0.4
>> too?
>>
>
> Never heard of this.  Perhaps something is coded to incorrectly check the
> browser version?  Exactly what/where says it doesn't like Safari 3.0.4?
>
> Shutterfly's help area says:
>- Firefox 2.0 or higher for PC or Mac
>- Safari 2.0 or higher for Mac
>
> Aside... Since you're running Tiger, you should be fully updated to 10.4.11
> and Safari 4.0.5...
>


Insert my usual gripes about Safari 4.0.5 and its known memory leak.

-- 
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forth and claim our place in outer space."
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Re: G5 printer duplexer?

[John Carmonne]

On May 30, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Fabian Fang wrote:

> On May 30, 2010, at 8:37 AM, John Carmonne wrote:
> 
>> I have a G5 iMac 2.8 that has an Epson Artisan 800 printer and I need to 
>> find a duplexer for it but I find nothing.
>> Is there anyone who knows about these?
> 
> 
> It is readily available from numerous sources.  Do a Google product search 
> for "Epson C12C802522"
> 
Well I've found non available from any of the sellers using that search 
criteria.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 30, 2010, at 7:41 AM, larry moore wrote:

> I've loaded her G4 B&W with MacOS 9.0.4 using the software install CD
> but the version of Netscape bundled dies on the Apple site just
> on shifting to the Export Permission page.
> 
> Does anyone have suggestions on how to get past this roadblock
> and upgrade her G4 to (eventually,) 9.2.2?

Use netscape to download Classilla, which is a currently maintained port of 
Mozilla to the classic Mac OS  It 
is based n the older WamCom

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"Wherever you go, there you are" B. Banzai,  PhD

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Re: G5 Wakes up Screaming

[Kris Tilford]

I believe this is called G5 thermal runaway when the fans go full  
blast. It's not related to sleep or network AFAIK. Some people have  
said Norton software is often responsible, so if you have anything  
from Norton, uninstall it. You can also try resetting the PMU:



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Re: G5 Wakes up Screaming

[GLT]

I'm having a problem that sounds pretty similar. Occasionally while
sleeping, my G5's fan(s) (I can't tell from outside which ones) start
screaming away at full speed. When this happens, though, the system is
also (apparently) still sleeping but won't wake up. Nothing goes into
any of the log files after this point, which appears to confirm that
the system is indeed frozen.

However I don't  have an AirPort network--just 10BaseT. I do see some
network events in the log files but haven't tried yet to correlate
them with the fan issue.

Have you learned any  more about your problem yet?

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Re: OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

[Kris Tilford]

On May 30, 2010, at 9:41 AM, larry moore wrote:


Does anyone have suggestions on how to get past this roadblock
and upgrade her G4 to (eventually,) 9.2.2?


Download a different browser. For freeware browsers, the most modern  
available is the Wamcom 1.3.1 Mozilla from 2003:




To fully upgrade to 9.2.2 you need to do each increment separately,  
going 9.1, 9.2.1, and finally 9.2.2. See:




A B&W with a G4 should really be max'd out RAM with a Radeon video  
card running Tiger 10.4.11 with an OS X browser. With MacOS 9.x ALL  
the browsers are so antiquated that you'll never have a good  
experience on modern websites. You've got to upgrade this Mac ASAP or  
live with the bad consequences.


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Re: G3 Blue and White

[JoeTaxpayer]

Agreed. I'm still loving the MDD G4, and for less than $200 you can
find dual 1.25GHz, 2GB memory, and a Leopard OS.
G4 or G5 will not run Snow Leopard, which requires an Intel chip.
If I were to give a warning, it would be that you need a USB 2.0 card,
all of about $10, and that's the only needed upgrade.

I had beige G3 both with 500MHz sonnet chips. No regrets, but they
were getting long in the tooth.
I've made the claim that if you look at MIPs/$, the G4 is at the peak
as far as I'm concerned.

On May 30, 8:56 am, PM7500  wrote:
> I wouldn't be so quick to upgrade a blue and white at this point. By
> the time you add up the cost of a CPU upgrade, additional RAM, better
> optical and hard drives, etc, you're going to be looking at the price
> of an early G5 Powermac,

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Re: Weird Stuff

[gifutiger]

Greetings

Open your log files and they will tell you why the platform is waking.
I had a similar problem years ago and it was a PCI card that was
having a problem. It stood out like a sore thumb in the log files.
That's why the log files are created. They've been around since the
beginning of UNIX.

Cheers.

Harry
San Jose, Ca.

On May 29, 10:53 am, smac0031  wrote:
> I have weird stuff going on.
>
> I think there may be a short in my USB hub. Anyway, I put my Digital
> Audio G4 to sleep and it wakes up. It will do it within a couple of
> minutes and it got to the point where I sat at the computer and put it
> to sleep just to see if it would stay asleep.
>
> Nope, it would wake up all on its own.
>
> Then I got PO'd and shut it down completely.
>
> Now, this is the weird part, that thing would power up on its own all
> by itself with no action from me.
>
> After more investigating, I noticed that whenever it would wake up
> there was a very faint electrical click sound coming from the area of
> the hub and then the computer would wake up.
>
> I discovered that sometimes I could get the computer to wake up just
> by futzing around with the hub. I couldn't do it every time. I got the
> computer to wake up just by closing the hatch on the side. All the
> electrical connections look like they're tight.
>
> I can also get the computer to wake up by kicking the desk, or by
> slamming the lid on the toilet which is in the next room.
>
> I'm thinking the problem is in the hub.
>
> Several years ago with a previous USB hub I could get this computer to
> reboot just by messing with the connections at the hub.
>
> For some reason I was having troubles with hardware issues that I
> couldn't figure out. Finally, it seemed that the PRAM battery had died
> so I replaced it. I am not completely sure, but I am fairly certain
> that the original PRAM battery was installed backwards. The current
> PRAM battery is in properly seated.
>
> I bought this computer used. It's a really good computer even though
> it is ten or eleven years out of date.
>
> PS. I can't find my damn F3 key. My shop vac ate it and I sifted
> through the stuff twice and got dust in my lungs. Yuck!
> Is there a place where I can get a replacement F3 key? Or do I need a
> new keyboard? I never have used my F3 key, my keyboard just looks
> bucktoothed.
>
> Smac003

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Re: G5 printer duplexer?

[Fabian Fang]

On May 30, 2010, at 8:37 AM, John Carmonne wrote:

I have a G5 iMac 2.8 that has an Epson Artisan 800 printer and I  
need to find a duplexer for it but I find nothing.

Is there anyone who knows about these?



It is readily available from numerous sources.  Do a Google product  
search for "Epson C12C802522"


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G5 printer duplexer?

[John Carmonne]

Hi All

I have a G5 iMac 2.8 that has an Epson Artisan 800 printer and I need to find a 
duplexer for it but I find nothing.
Is there anyone who knows about these?


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Weird Stuff

[Bill Connelly]

On May 30, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Manuel Marques wrote:


I too have a DA (733 MHz processor), which I got for free (it was
about to be trashed...) along with a 17'' Apple Studio Display.


...



 I really can't
believe someone would actually trash a perfectly working machine! :O

MM




Trash a DA? Terrible act of injustice ... I love my DA someone added a  
Dual 533 to ... although I paid him some for it ... its been more than  
worth it alongside my acoustic piano ...


Earlier in the thread, I was mistaken when I said my Mouse wakes it  
from Sleep ... It wakes the monitor from Screen Saver ... not the Tower.


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Re: G3 Blue and White

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: G3 Blue and White
Date:Sonntag 30 Mai 2010N
From:PM7500 
To:  "G-Group" 

> On May 27, 2:21 pm, Jasiu  wrote:
> > I have a 350MHZ G3 B&W.  I wanted to upgrade the processor, any idea
> > of the fastest processor I can go with?  I just put an 80 GB hard
> > drive in it, running 10.3.9.  Any other ideas for upgrading?  Thanks
> 
> I wouldn't be so quick to upgrade a blue and white at this point. By
> the time you add up the cost of a CPU upgrade, additional RAM, better
> optical and hard drives, etc, you're going to be looking at the price
> of an early G5 Powermac, which will outperform the upgraded G3 in
> every way. You'd be better off to spend your money there rather than
> maxing out the G3. The only reason for maxing out the G3 at this point
> is either for sentimental reasons or just to prove that you can.

G4s:
http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g4-prices.html

G5s:
http://lowendmac.com/deals/best-power-mac-g5-prices.html

Upgrading an old G3 B&W is IMHO not worth the money. Also look at Geekbench 
for their performance scores.
http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/mac-benchmarks/

Every stock G4 above 400 MHz is performing better and has better upgrade value 
concerning AGP graphics cards, RAM and hard disks. The motherboard of the 
original G3 B&W (Rev 1) was a complete mess, with the screwed up large hard 
disk support and the UDMA bug… From what I hear up to the Sawtooth the 
motherboard wasn't improved much, except for bug fixing.

BUT if it is fun for you, and if you don't know what to do with your money… 
WHY NOT upgrade an old G3 to new glory? It won't run stock Mac OS X 10.5 
still, but this can be another adventure to enjoy!

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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OS9.0.4 upgrade circle

[larry moore]

I've loaded her G4 B&W with MacOS 9.0.4 using the software install CD
but the version of Netscape bundled dies on the Apple site just
on shifting to the Export Permission page.

Does anyone have suggestions on how to get past this roadblock
and upgrade her G4 to (eventually,) 9.2.2?

Thanks, puzzled, larry

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Re: Why not Safari 3.0.4

[Dan]

At 6:41 AM -0700 5/30/2010, Bruce - in Orlando wrote:

I just tried to go to my high school reunion social networking site
(which is on Shutterfly).  I seems that it requires Safari 3.0 or
higher, EXCEPT 3.0.4.  Naturally, that's what I have on my MDD running
10.4.  Being a naturally suspicious person, I want to know why this
site would hate 3.0.4 so much before I download an upgrade just to
make Shutterfly happy.  Does anybody know?  Should I hate Safari 3.0.4
too?


Never heard of this.  Perhaps something is coded to incorrectly check 
the browser version?  Exactly what/where says it doesn't like Safari 
3.0.4?


Shutterfly's help area says:
- Firefox 2.0 or higher for PC or Mac
- Safari 2.0 or higher for Mac

Aside... Since you're running Tiger, you should be fully updated to 
10.4.11 and Safari 4.0.5...


- Dan.
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Re: Weird Stuff

[Manuel Marques]

My iMac Core Duo often wakes up on his own if I turn on or off the
desk lamp, which is plugged in the same outlet as the iMac. Also,
plugging my Palm Centro when the Mac is asleep often wakes it up
(although I don't press the hotsync button, I only leave it there to
charge...).

I too have a DA (733 MHz processor), which I got for free (it was
about to be trashed...) along with a 17'' Apple Studio Display. It
seems like a very nice machine, and I believe it will serve for many
more years as my brother's computer (of course, I have to get its RAM
upgraded, and maybe throw a USB 2.0 card into it...). I really can't
believe someone would actually trash a perfectly working machine! :O

MM

On May 29, 6:53 pm, smac0031  wrote:
> I have weird stuff going on.
>
> I think there may be a short in my USB hub. Anyway, I put my Digital
> Audio G4 to sleep and it wakes up. It will do it within a couple of
> minutes and it got to the point where I sat at the computer and put it
> to sleep just to see if it would stay asleep.
>
> Nope, it would wake up all on its own.
>
> Then I got PO'd and shut it down completely.
>
> Now, this is the weird part, that thing would power up on its own all
> by itself with no action from me.
>
> After more investigating, I noticed that whenever it would wake up
> there was a very faint electrical click sound coming from the area of
> the hub and then the computer would wake up.
>
> I discovered that sometimes I could get the computer to wake up just
> by futzing around with the hub. I couldn't do it every time. I got the
> computer to wake up just by closing the hatch on the side. All the
> electrical connections look like they're tight.
>
> I can also get the computer to wake up by kicking the desk, or by
> slamming the lid on the toilet which is in the next room.
>
> I'm thinking the problem is in the hub.
>
> Several years ago with a previous USB hub I could get this computer to
> reboot just by messing with the connections at the hub.
>
> For some reason I was having troubles with hardware issues that I
> couldn't figure out. Finally, it seemed that the PRAM battery had died
> so I replaced it. I am not completely sure, but I am fairly certain
> that the original PRAM battery was installed backwards. The current
> PRAM battery is in properly seated.
>
> I bought this computer used. It's a really good computer even though
> it is ten or eleven years out of date.
>
> PS. I can't find my damn F3 key. My shop vac ate it and I sifted
> through the stuff twice and got dust in my lungs. Yuck!
> Is there a place where I can get a replacement F3 key? Or do I need a
> new keyboard? I never have used my F3 key, my keyboard just looks
> bucktoothed.
>
> Smac003

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Why not Safari 3.0.4

[Bruce - in Orlando]

I just tried to go to my high school reunion social networking site
(which is on Shutterfly).  I seems that it requires Safari 3.0 or
higher, EXCEPT 3.0.4.  Naturally, that's what I have on my MDD running
10.4.  Being a naturally suspicious person, I want to know why this
site would hate 3.0.4 so much before I download an upgrade just to
make Shutterfly happy.  Does anybody know?  Should I hate Safari 3.0.4
too?

Bruce - in Orlando

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Re: G3 Blue and White

[PM7500]

I wouldn't be so quick to upgrade a blue and white at this point. By
the time you add up the cost of a CPU upgrade, additional RAM, better
optical and hard drives, etc, you're going to be looking at the price
of an early G5 Powermac, which will outperform the upgraded G3 in
every way. You'd be better off to spend your money there rather than
maxing out the G3. The only reason for maxing out the G3 at this point
is either for sentimental reasons or just to prove that you can.

On May 27, 2:21 pm, Jasiu  wrote:
> I have a 350MHZ G3 B&W.  I wanted to upgrade the processor, any idea
> of the fastest processor I can go with?  I just put an 80 GB hard
> drive in it, running 10.3.9.  Any other ideas for upgrading?  Thanks

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Re: G3 Blue and White

[PM7500]

You can use Quartz Extreme on PCI video cards. Even Rage 3D cards
support Quartz Extreme. It's Core Image that you can't get in most PCI
cards, but the nVidia FX5200 PCI that is normally found in the Xserve
G5 does support both. The problem with the FX5200 is that it doesn't
support 3d in classic, so if you play a lot of games in classic you're
better off with a Radeon 9200.


On May 29, 8:59 pm, Larry Stotler  wrote:
> On May 29, 3:15 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
>
> > i don't think so.  while Sonnet did make a G4/1gig processor upgrade
> > (as well as G4/700 and G4/800), these were NOT ZIF processors.  rather
> > hey were what are usually referred to "PCI upgrades," ie, daughter
> > cards for the 72xx-96xx Macs and selected clones.  AFAIK, the fastest
> > ZIF processor Sonnet ever made that is a direct plug-in for a B&W was
> > the G4/500.  there *may* have been a G4/600 ZIF made by Gigadesigns or
> > Newertech, or someone else, but i don't remember for sure.
>
> Sonnet made upgrades for the PCI Macs(73/75/76/85/86/95/9600s).  They
> were called the Crescendo/PCI.
>
> http://www.sonnettech.com/product/crescendo_pci.html
>
> The also made upgrades for the B&W and Yikes!.  They were called the
> Encore/ZIF:
>
> http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore.html
>
> > however, larry IS absolutely correct in pointing out that the Sonnet
> > G4 upgrade WILL drop the motherboard bus speed from 100 to 66 MHz.
> > IMBWB, i *think* this is true of all third party G4 upgrades of all
> > speeds, and even Apple G4 processors pulled from a Yikes.
>
> Partly Correct.  The bug involves anything over the 10x multiplier
> from what I understand.  However, I have a G4/450 ZIF in my B&W
> overclocked to 500Mhz using the 100Mhz bus.
>
> > as for performance, the sad truth is that very few programs ever made
> > extensive use of the Altivec processing capabilities.  even those that
> > do will not suffer too terribly when run on a G3, compared to the
> > limitation of slower clockspeed on both the mobo and processor.  i
> > have the Powerlogix G3/1gig in a blue and white, and it measurably
> > outperforms a G4/400 by more than 2 to 1 on real world comparisons.
> > the G3/1gig also has a larger L2 cache (1MB), which gives a big boost
> > to apps which are floatiing-point arithmetic intensive.
>
> Starting with Tiger(I believe), the desktop makes use of the altivec
> to an extent.  Of course, you can't use Quartz Extreme on a PCI video
> card, so that's probably not as big of an issue.

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Re: G3 Blue and White

[PM7500]

I have had a Sonnet G4 1ghz in my 7500/100 and a G3 400 in my 7600/132
for years and have had no problems with them. Your information is
false. Sonnet wouldn't have gotten away with making as many CPU
upgrades as they did over the years if they had been shabby products.

On May 29, 3:22 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> On May 28, 4:55 pm, dc  wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Sonnet G4 500 is one of the best available upgrades for a B&W or
> > Yikes.
>
> contrary to that opinion, i have talked to several VERY knowledge
> folks who all agree that Sonnet made the shabbiest line of processor
> upgrades compared to any of their competitors.  from personal
> experience, i would say i can easily believe this is true.  i've used
> two different Sonnet upgrades, and both caused lots of issues, eg,
> with RAM and expansion cards.  by comparison, m...@box, powerlogix, and
> newertech preocessors have performed flawlessly, and without any
> issues whatsoever.  personally, i would rate Sonnet as crap.
>
> jt

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Re: G3 Blue and White

[PM7500]

You're wrong. The upgrades for the beige G3, blue and white G3 and the
Yikes! G4 are ALL ZIF processors. There is no other way to mount a CPU
in those machines. The earlier beige machines had a dedicated CPU
slot.

On May 29, 3:15 pm, "ah...clem"  wrote:
> On May 27, 6:23 pm, Larry Stotler  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sonnet made a 1Ghz G4 upgrade.  Unfortunately, it drops the bus speed
> > from 100Mhz to 66Mhz due to a bug in the chipset.  These arent
> > available new tho.
>
> i don't think so.  while Sonnet did make a G4/1gig processor upgrade
> (as well as G4/700 and G4/800), these were NOT ZIF processors.  rather
> hey were what are usually referred to "PCI upgrades," ie, daughter
> cards for the 72xx-96xx Macs and selected clones.  AFAIK, the fastest
> ZIF processor Sonnet ever made that is a direct plug-in for a B&W was
> the G4/500.  there *may* have been a G4/600 ZIF made by Gigadesigns or
> Newertech, or someone else, but i don't remember for sure.
>
> however, larry IS absolutely correct in pointing out that the Sonnet
> G4 upgrade WILL drop the motherboard bus speed from 100 to 66 MHz.
> IMBWB, i *think* this is true of all third party G4 upgrades of all
> speeds, and even Apple G4 processors pulled from a Yikes.
>
> as for performance, the sad truth is that very few programs ever made
> extensive use of the Altivec processing capabilities.  even those that
> do will not suffer too terribly when run on a G3, compared to the
> limitation of slower clockspeed on both the mobo and processor.  i
> have the Powerlogix G3/1gig in a blue and white, and it measurably
> outperforms a G4/400 by more than 2 to 1 on real world comparisons.
> the G3/1gig also has a larger L2 cache (1MB), which gives a big boost
> to apps which are floatiing-point arithmetic intensive.
>
> jt

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