Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
On Jan 7, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Tiger startup is lng. Once up and running, it is quite usable. At least for office tasks (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) and internet surfing (Firefox). I have to correct myself. Once all was installed and set up, startup of Tiger actually is very quick -- keeping im mind that this is a 350 MHz G3. I was impressed. The first start up of Tiger also results in the initial build of the spotlight indexes. This takes a while. After that, if you continue to use Spotlight, index updating is quite fast. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010N From:"Mac User #330250" To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Tiger startup is lng. Once up and running, it is quite usable. At least > for office tasks (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) and internet surfing (Firefox). I have to correct myself. Once all was installed and set up, startup of Tiger actually is very quick -- keeping im mind that this is a 350 MHz G3. I was impressed. Working with it is okay. One can feel that it is constantly being put at its limits. I could optimize the optical features (turn them off) but I like it as it is right now. Great machine! Still rocking. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010N From:Kasey Smith To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: > > I run 10.4.11 on mine, but it's been upgraded to a G4 and has 1 GB > > of Ram. > > Me too, except for the G4 CPU, mine still has its G3/400MHz and runs > faster then my mom's 2.6GHz Dell running winXP ;) I've now also updated to 10.4.11 (using my G4 QS, because the G3 doesn't have a DVD drive). I've 512 MB of RAM installed (4x 128 MB). I will not invest money on this one, so this will remain -- unless some relative or friend of mine gives me his old computer as a gift, with - oh, such a coincidence: 4x 256 MB PC100 DIMMs... Tiger startup is lng. Once up and running, it is quite usable. At least for office tasks (Word, Excel, PowerPoint) and internet surfing (Firefox). BTW, I love OnyX! I just deactivated Dashboard, since I never ever use it and this saves additional startup time and RAM. Yap, I can very much recommend Tiger for an old 350 MHz G3 Blue and White Yosmite SmirfTower... Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
At 12:29 AM +0100 1/7/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: Thanks to all for the great help. It is good to know that people out there still care for old but great pieces of hardware. Like the old Mac IIci, the Power Mac G3 B&W, aka SmurfTower, is a wonderful work-horse. Great as both a desktop and as a server. There are a LOT of them still in service. Right now, I'm on a 300-MHz Smurf. It's my basic test machine. Sometimes it's stock, sometimes I throw a G4 into it. Always fiddling around with pci cards and such. Solid machine - takes lots of abuse / fumble fingering, and keeps on ticking. At 2:07 AM +0100 1/7/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: I cannot believe it, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 works too on this G3 B&W. The Smurf can run every Mac OS release, from 8.5.1 or 8.6 (depends on the model) to X 10.4.11. It was abandoned by Apple only recently, when they dropped G3 support in OS X 10.5 (Leopard). ...But... if you slap a G4 into it, you can run Leopard! (not really recommended tho; Leopard doesn't play well on slower machines, and there are a lot of things that really really really want advanced video cards/features that won't run in the Smurf). At 1:49 AM +0100 1/7/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: I don't believe it! I just booted into Mac OS 9.2.2! I removed the CPU from its socket and replaced it there. That was the fault all the way it seems. Great! [snip] After shutting it down -- same situation as before -- no screen. Now the monitor goes on and of two times or so, and then it get stuck again. Re-seat the cpu again, after cleaning. When booting I always get the disk with the question mark in it. The bootstrap first tries the drive:volume specified/stored in the PRAM. If that volume doesn't have a bootable system, the bootstrap begins to search through the device tree (internal buses - IDE then SCSI, then the external interfaces). During that search, that ? icon is displayed. When it finds a bootable system it will change to a happy-mac icon (gotta watch fast tho, as the boot replaces it quick!). So: it is broken alright. I just don't know what's broken. Could it be the PRAM? Could be. But more likely it just needs to be set. Get the machine booted, then select the correct system from which to boot, using the Startup Disk control panel (in OS 9) or Startup Disk system preferences (in OS X). HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
It'll run Tiger just fine with the G3 350 mhz CPU in it. I'm running 10.4.11 on a 300 mhz iBook Clamshell with just 576 megs of ram (maxed). I can't say it's a speed demon, but it runs surprisingly well. I would recommend a minimum of 512 megs of ram for Tiger - 1024 megs even better! Scott Birdwell DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies Houston TX www.defalcos.com On Jan 6, 7:52 pm, Kasey Smith wrote: > On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: > > > I run 10.4.11 on mine, but it's been upgraded to a G4 and has 1 GB > > of Ram. > > > p > > Me too, except for the G4 CPU, mine still has its G3/400MHz and runs > faster then my mom's 2.6GHz Dell running winXP ;) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010N From:Kasey Smith To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: > > Is it possible that the Option key doesn't work on the G3 B&W? On > > the G4s this > > key lets you select which OS you want to boot... > > Nope, it does not work on the G3 PowerMacs. Try the startup Disk > control panel btw ;) > No, that's what causes the start-up failure. If I set the OS to be booted, it will be like initially described -- no chime and no video. If I do this, I then have to zap the PRAM (Cmd-Opt-P-R), then I can get past this issue and select the OS using Open Firmware. So it actually is broken in a way, I just don't know which part. I'll start another thread for that. Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
unplugging the machine, opening it, removing the PRAM battery, press and hold the button nearest the battery (the one not labeled :POWER:) This got my G3 B&W running just fine. Mine is a 400MHz rev.2 btw... No success. I removed the PRAM battery, did hold the button for a while, released it and powered on without the battery. Since this didn't make it work I decided to press the button right after powering on. When holding the button and trying to power on, nothing happens. BTW, the other button actually IS a power button. So, I guess I have to trash it. Too bad. Anyway, thanks for your help. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 voltage left on battery? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
Previously, at 6:52 pm -0700 1/6/10, Kasey Smith wrote: >Me too, except for the G4 CPU, mine still has its G3/400MHz and runs faster >then my mom's 2.6GHz Dell running winXP ;) Spoken like a true Mac-Head! ;-) >:-} P. -- No one has ever had an idea in a dress suit. -- Sir Frederick G. Banting -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
On Jan 6, 2010, at 6:49 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: I run 10.4.11 on mine, but it's been upgraded to a G4 and has 1 GB of Ram. p -- A life of pleasure makes even the strongest mind frivolous at last. -- Edward ulwer-Lytton Me too, except for the G4 CPU, mine still has its G3/400MHz and runs faster then my mom's 2.6GHz Dell running winXP ;) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
Previously, at 2:07 am +0100 1/7/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: >I can boot Mac OS X via OpenFirmware (after pressing Cmd-Opt-O-F): >boot hd:12,\\:tbxi > >I cannot believe it, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 works too on this G3 B&W. I run 10.4.11 on mine, but it's been upgraded to a G4 and has 1 GB of Ram. p -- A life of pleasure makes even the strongest mind frivolous at last. -- Edward ulwer-Lytton -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Is it possible that the Option key doesn't work on the G3 B&W? On the G4s this key lets you select which OS you want to boot... Nope, it does not work on the G3 PowerMacs. Try the startup Disk control panel btw ;) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010N From:"Mac User #330250" To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Trying to set the startup volume to Mac OS X 10.3.9 again breaks the > initial start. I can boot Mac OS X via OpenFirmware (after pressing Cmd-Opt-O-F): boot hd:12,\\:tbxi I cannot believe it, but Mac OS X 10.3.9 works too on this G3 B&W. The graphics card is an ATI Rage 128 PCI: Card: ATY,Rage128 Bus: PCI Slot: J12 VRAM (total): 16 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x5245 Version-ID: 0x ROM Version: 113-57401-116 Runs smoothly on Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 at the LCDs native 1280x1024 (60 Hz and 32-bit color). And once more: > Cheers, > Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010N From:"Mac User #330250" To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > But since I don't know what it has been through -- maybe someone dropped it > (because the top back "handle" is missing). Or maybe someone spilled hot > coffee all over it (and inside, since there is evidence left at the optical > drive brezel). I will just never know. I don't believe it! I just booted into Mac OS 9.2.2! I removed the CPU from its socket and replaced it there. That was the fault all the way it seems. Heureka! BTW, Sound works alright with Mac OS 9.2. Still no startup-chime. Maybe there is a fault somewhere still. So, System Profiler states: Serial number: N/A System-ID 406 Model: PowerMac G3 Series Processor: PowerPC G3 Speed: 350 MHz ROM Revision: $77D.45F6 Boot ROM Version: 1.1f4 Mac OS ROM Version: 8.7 So far no word about the graphics card. After shutting it down -- same situation as before -- no screen. Now the monitor goes on and of two times or so, and then it get stuck again. I tried this now: Cmd-Opt-P-R for two times. I cannot hear the chime, but I can see the "USB STATUS" LEDs DS4 and DS5. They come on when everything else is set up and go off again if the system restarts (what it does when pressing Cmd-Opt-P-R). After that I can get into Open Firmware: [snip] Apple PowerMac1,1 1.1f4 BootROM build on 04/09/99 at 13:57:32 Copyright 1994-1999 Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved. OpenFirmware 3.1.1 [snip] When booting I always get the disk with the question mark in it. It then always boots into the first operating system found, which is Mac OS 9.2.2 in my case. Trying to set the startup volume to Mac OS X 10.3.9 again breaks the initial start. So: it is broken alright. I just don't know what's broken. Could it be the PRAM? But at least I now *can* make it boot *somehow*. But only into Mac OS 9 for now. Is it possible that the Option key doesn't work on the G3 B&W? On the G4s this key lets you select which OS you want to boot... Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Donnerstag 07 Januar 2010N From:Kasey Smith To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > OH! Try turning the thing on with no PRAM battery! That should tell > you if its a bad battery! Thanks. Did that too. No luck. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Mittwoch 06 Januar 2010N From:Dan To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > No video flicker at all? Still none. > Have you zapped the pram? A thousand times now... well, I stopped counting... > Replaced the pram battery? Yap. Took the one from the G4-AGP. No change. > Clean the speaker; reseat its cable. Did that. The speaker seems to be okay, meaning there is no visible fault. > Disconnect everything from both IDE buses. Did that. > Pull all the memory. Did that too. > Try booting - you should hear error beeps etc. No. I did the whole thing again with the known-to-be-working speaker from the G4 AGP, since it has the same connector and also looks alike. No effect, i.e. no sound, beep or whatever. > Try cleaning the video card - it's contacts and slot. As far as I can tell they are now as clean as they were before. I just cleaned the whole damn thing (it was dusted alot... never seen so much black dust before...), but since you mentioned it, I did some more cleaning anyway. > Try putting the video card in a different slot. Did that, all of the slots. No change. No picture. -- Original message ---------- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Mittwoch 06 Januar 2010N From:John Niven To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > The "video" slot is just a 66MHZ, 32bit PCI slot instead of a 33MHz, 64 bit > (hence longer) PCI slot which all the others are. The video card will work > in one of the 64bit slots because they are 32bit compatible (I have done > this), though they will run at half the speed. Thanks for the info. I had such in mind, but wasn't sure. Well, after all I did for this fellow G3 to come to new life, I am now somewhat disappointed. I really think it is dead. But since I don't know what it has been through -- maybe someone dropped it (because the top back "handle" is missing). Or maybe someone spilled hot coffee all over it (and inside, since there is evidence left at the optical drive brezel). I will just never know. Thanks to all for the great help. It is good to know that people out there still care for old but great pieces of hardware. Big THANKS! Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Mittwoch 06 Januar 2010N From:Al boone To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > add this to your list of stupid relies if it doesn't help but I had a > problem where there was no start up chime and it turns out that the volume > was turned off after I got it running. You could boot it up and use the > keyboard to push the volume up to see if that's it. Please reseat your > video card also, el. I thought of that too, but then I should at least get some response from the should-have-booted-and-should-be-running Mac OS. But there is none. I did try the volume keys on the keyboard, but it doesn't seem to have affected anything. BTW, if the PRAM and the NVRAM is reset -- what is the default setting for the volume anyway? I assume it is stored somewhere in there... Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
OH! Try turning the thing on with no PRAM battery! That should tell you if its a bad battery! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
add this to your list of stupid relies if it doesn't help but I had a problem where there was no start up chime and it turns out that the volume was turned off after I got it running. You could boot it up and use the keyboard to push the volume up to see if that's it. Please reseat your video card also, el. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM, John Niven wrote: > --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: > > Try putting the video card in a different slot. > The slot for the video card is somehow different than the other PCI slots. > I don't really understand it, but I'm confident further internet research > will help to clarify this mystory. > > > The "video" slot is just a 66MHZ, 32bit PCI slot instead of a 33MHz, 64 bit > (hence longer) PCI slot which all the others are. The video card will work > in one of the 64bit slots because they are 32bit compatible (I have done > this), though they will run at half the speed. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Mac User #330250 wrote: > Try putting the video card in a different slot. The slot for the video card is somehow different than the other PCI slots. I don't really understand it, but I'm confident further internet research will help to clarify this mystory. The "video" slot is just a 66MHZ, 32bit PCI slot instead of a 33MHz, 64 bit (hence longer) PCI slot which all the others are. The video card will work in one of the 64bit slots because they are 32bit compatible (I have done this), though they will run at half the speed. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Mittwoch 06 Januar 2010N From:Dan To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > At 9:23 PM +0100 1/5/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: > >G3 Blue and White > >[snip] > >I then powered it on and got two symptoms: > >(1) I cannot hear a startup chime, > >(2) nor do I get video output. > > [snip] > > What you've done so far is about right. > > No video flicker at all? The LCD monitor turns on for just an instant of a second shortly after I switch on the G3 B&W. After that it remains in standby mode. A CRT will most certainly have a quicker response time when it comes to setting a mode. > Have you zapped the pram? Yes, like Kasey Smith told me to. And I additionally tried the Cmd-Opt-P-R keys right after switching on. I also tried resetting the NVRAM with Cmd-Opt-N-V keys. > Replaced the pram battery? I don't have a spare. I could use the one from the G4-AGP. (I first thought it was a GE, but it actually is an AGP.) Or the one from my G4-QS, although I would rather not use that one. > Clean the speaker; reseat its cable. I'll do so and report back. I could also use the speaker from the G4-AGP it the specs are the same. And I guess they are, since it looks identical to me. > Disconnect everything from both IDE buses. > Pull all the memory. > Try booting - you should hear error beeps etc. Will do. > Try cleaning the video card - it's contacts and slot. Will do. > Try putting the video card in a different slot. The slot for the video card is somehow different than the other PCI slots. I don't really understand it, but I'm confident further internet research will help to clarify this mystory. > >(1) Is there any way to see if the computer works at all, when there's no > >display available? > > BONG > boot > Telnet in (if set-up); moot without special s/w on OS 9. Okay, this is too high for me. I'm not that much into Apple diagnostics. I never used the network boot mode either. Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll try to get it back to life as good as I can. I wouldn't be too happy either if I had to trash it. It's my first G3! I'll report back. Thanks, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
At 9:23 PM +0100 1/5/2010, Mac User #330250 wrote: G3 Blue and White [snip] I then powered it on and got two symptoms: (1) I cannot hear a startup chime, (2) nor do I get video output. [snip] What you've done so far is about right. No video flicker at all? Have you zapped the pram? Replaced the pram battery? Clean the speaker; reseat its cable. Disconnect everything from both IDE buses. Pull all the memory. Try booting - you should hear error beeps etc. Try cleaning the video card - it's contacts and slot. Try putting the video card in a different slot. (1) Is there any way to see if the computer works at all, when there's no display available? BONG boot Telnet in (if set-up); moot without special s/w on OS 9. (2) Is there an Apple Hardware Test (AHT) available for the G3? Not that I know of. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
On Jan 6, 2010, at 3:16 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: No success. I removed the PRAM battery, did hold the button for a while, released it and powered on without the battery. Since this didn't make it work I decided to press the button right after powering on. When holding the button and trying to power on, nothing happens. BTW, the other button actually IS a power button. Yeah, knew this when i first went to reset the CUDA in mine ;) So, I guess I have to trash it. Too bad. Don't trash it! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video Date:Dienstag 05 Januar 2010N From:Kasey Smith To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: > > The hard disk is the original (!) Quantum Firebird EX 12 GB from > > 1998/99. For > > it's more than ten years it still works amazingly well. I made an > > image of its > > contents using an external USB drive enclosure just to be on the > > safe side. > > (Doesn't support S.M.A.R.T. at all.) > > This is because USB does not support S.M.A.R.T. If you plug it into a > working computer with an internal IDE bus it will work. Thanks. You're right, it shows when it's installed inside. > Anyway, > unplugging the machine, opening it, removing the PRAM battery, press > and hold the button nearest the battery (the one not labeled :POWER:) > This got my G3 B&W running just fine. Mine is a 400MHz rev.2 btw... No success. I removed the PRAM battery, did hold the button for a while, released it and powered on without the battery. Since this didn't make it work I decided to press the button right after powering on. When holding the button and trying to power on, nothing happens. BTW, the other button actually IS a power button. So, I guess I have to trash it. Too bad. Anyway, thanks for your help. Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 B&W powers up, but no sound and no video
On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The hard disk is the original (!) Quantum Firebird EX 12 GB from 1998/99. For it's more than ten years it still works amazingly well. I made an image of its contents using an external USB drive enclosure just to be on the safe side. (Doesn't support S.M.A.R.T. at all.) This is because USB does not support S.M.A.R.T. If you plug it into a working computer with an internal IDE bus it will work. Anyway, unplugging the machine, opening it, removing the PRAM battery, press and hold the button nearest the battery (the one not labeled :POWER:) This got my G3 B&W running just fine. Mine is a 400MHz rev.2 btw... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
