Re: Sleep issue
On 2/13/13 6:04 PM, diane wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:10 AM, No No grizzledgia...@gmail.com mailto:grizzledgia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Diane: One, I assume you have set the energy control panel to never sleep, closed Preferences, open Preferences, reset sleep setting. This can over write bad preference settings. You can also find the energy control panel settings cache (with other personal account cached settings in your account name/Library/Caches/com.apple.preferencepanes.cache) and delete them. Preferences need to be reentered. Two, PRAM (Apple key, Option key, P, R at the same time on computer start from computer off) and Power Manager reset. PMU reset proceeds as: Turn computer off, wait ten seconds, pull plug, pull ALL wires from computer, open case, find small Surface Mount Device (SMU) button labeled PMU on motherboard next to two ATA cable attachments to motherboard. Leave battery in motherboard. Wait five minutes or so. Press button ONCE firmly and release immediately, same as when you use the power button to start the computer. Attach power cable, keyboard, video. Start. If the computer will not start, repeat PMU reset procedure, but try to press the button more quickly. You may need to reset PRAM after this to get complete start. You can also try to find the procedure on the web, but I didn't find any specific for the MDD. What I have given you worked for my MDD. Hi Bob, I had not done any of what you suggested, as it's always been like this. But it was pretty good for over a month, except if I left it with the dashboard up and running - maybe my radar widget prevents it from sleeping. After I got your reply, I did try setting it to never, exiting, and resetting it. Repaired permissions. Eventually it would sleep again. I lost power for a few minutes one day last week and it has not gone to sleep since sigh So now I will step through the rest of your suggestions. Again, this machine has always behaved like this since I got it 10 years ago. As a matter of fact, if you had asked me I would have said I *don't* have sleep turned on as it just never went to sleep at all. When it did in December, I feared my PS was going again as that's what used to happen, I'd leave it on overnight and it would be off in the morning due to the failing PS. The only way to get it back on then was to unplug it and hit the power button. This time it really was sleeping, and I kind of liked it! Hopefully it will kick itself back in again. You could ty and extend the life of the PS by powering the drives separately. Find a AT PS (has a switch) or a external bare drive adapter http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0063JN3WE/ref=asc_df_B0063JN3WE2392835?smid=A2FI1E57JSSMJ2tag=dealt361990-20linkCode=asncreative=395129creativeASIN=B0063JN3WE and use the power supply with PS y cable adapter(s). Samples: SATA version http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/948775/StarTechcom-12in-LP4-to-2x-SATA/ sata/molex http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001K9BEZU/ref=asc_df_B001K9BEZU2396467?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DERtag=dealt361990-20linkCode=asncreative=395093creativeASIN=B001K9BEZU 2 molex http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001K9BEZU/ref=asc_df_B001K9BEZU2396467?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DERtag=dealt361990-20linkCode=asncreative=395093creativeASIN=B001K9BEZU these come in different ends to meet your needs. May need to leave case door ajar. If over heating occurs use a 12 volt fan on external power (I use a 12 volt wall wart.) -- The Website your boss doesn't want you to know about!http://www.sfi4.com/8770421/FREE -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Sleep issue
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:10 AM, No No grizzledgia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Diane: One, I assume you have set the energy control panel to never sleep, closed Preferences, open Preferences, reset sleep setting. This can over write bad preference settings. You can also find the energy control panel settings cache (with other personal account cached settings in your account name/Library/Caches/ com.apple.preferencepanes.cache) and delete them. Preferences need to be reentered. Etc. Hi Bob, I had not done any of what you suggested, as it's always been like this. But it was pretty good for over a month, except if I left it with the dashboard up and running - maybe my radar widget prevents it from sleeping. After I got your reply, I did try setting it to never, exiting, and resetting it. Repaired permissions. Eventually it would sleep again. I lost power for a few minutes one day last week and it has not gone to sleep since sigh So now I will step through the rest of your suggestions. Again, this machine has always behaved like this since I got it 10 years ago. As a matter of fact, if you had asked me I would have said I *don't* have sleep turned on as it just never went to sleep at all. When it did in December, I feared my PS was going again as that's what used to happen, I'd leave it on overnight and it would be off in the morning due to the failing PS. The only way to get it back on then was to unplug it and hit the power button. This time it really was sleeping, and I kind of liked it! Hopefully it will kick itself back in again. Thanks! Your welcome. In the old days (15 years ago) we didn't bother with sleep because it didn't work very well or save much power. Sleep is really just a luxury. Off and on is usually the best way. Good luck with your power supply. Bob -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Sleep issue
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:10 AM, No No grizzledgia...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Diane: One, I assume you have set the energy control panel to never sleep, closed Preferences, open Preferences, reset sleep setting. This can over write bad preference settings. You can also find the energy control panel settings cache (with other personal account cached settings in your account name/Library/Caches/com.apple.**preferencepanes.cache) and delete them. Preferences need to be reentered. Two, PRAM (Apple key, Option key, P, R at the same time on computer start from computer off) and Power Manager reset. PMU reset proceeds as: Turn computer off, wait ten seconds, pull plug, pull ALL wires from computer, open case, find small Surface Mount Device (SMU) button labeled PMU on motherboard next to two ATA cable attachments to motherboard. Leave battery in motherboard. Wait five minutes or so. Press button ONCE firmly and release immediately, same as when you use the power button to start the computer. Attach power cable, keyboard, video. Start. If the computer will not start, repeat PMU reset procedure, but try to press the button more quickly. You may need to reset PRAM after this to get complete start. You can also try to find the procedure on the web, but I didn't find any specific for the MDD. What I have given you worked for my MDD. Hi Bob, I had not done any of what you suggested, as it's always been like this. But it was pretty good for over a month, except if I left it with the dashboard up and running - maybe my radar widget prevents it from sleeping. After I got your reply, I did try setting it to never, exiting, and resetting it. Repaired permissions. Eventually it would sleep again. I lost power for a few minutes one day last week and it has not gone to sleep since sigh So now I will step through the rest of your suggestions. Again, this machine has always behaved like this since I got it 10 years ago. As a matter of fact, if you had asked me I would have said I *don't* have sleep turned on as it just never went to sleep at all. When it did in December, I feared my PS was going again as that's what used to happen, I'd leave it on overnight and it would be off in the morning due to the failing PS. The only way to get it back on then was to unplug it and hit the power button. This time it really was sleeping, and I kind of liked it! Hopefully it will kick itself back in again. Thanks! -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Sleep issue
On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:59 PM, dianed...@gmail.com wrote: I have a DP 1.42 G4 running the latest version of 10.5 Since Christmas, it has been going to sleep every 15 mins of unuse, unless I have the widgets open. FWIW I've always has the sleep settings turned on but they rarely work. So it's been over two weeks and its been working like a charm. No freezing or anything. I've been using it a lot during this time as well. The only thing I have to so is five it time to allow the BT mouse to resync. Yesterday I plugged in my Shuffle to recharge and ever since then it hasn't gone to sleep. I thought maybe iTunes kept it awake but that's not the case. Any thoughts? I've had it since new and its always been like this. The monitor sleep works correctly though. I replaced the power supply about two years ago. Thanks Diane Hello Diane: One, I assume you have set the energy control panel to never sleep, closed Preferences, open Preferences, reset sleep setting. This can over write bad preference settings. You can also find the energy control panel settings cache (with other personal account cached settings in your account name/Library/Caches/ com.apple.preferencepanes.cache) and delete them. Preferences need to be reentered. Two, PRAM (Apple key, Option key, P, R at the same time on computer start from computer off) and Power Manager reset. PMU reset proceeds as: Turn computer off, wait ten seconds, pull plug, pull ALL wires from computer, open case, find small Surface Mount Device (SMU) button labeled PMU on motherboard next to two ATA cable attachments to motherboard. Leave battery in motherboard. Wait five minutes or so. Press button ONCE firmly and release immediately, same as when you use the power button to start the computer. Attach power cable, keyboard, video. Start. If the computer will not start, repeat PMU reset procedure, but try to press the button more quickly. You may need to reset PRAM after this to get complete start. You can also try to find the procedure on the web, but I didn't find any specific for the MDD. What I have given you worked for my MDD. Good luck! Bob -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Hello Stewie, I'd just like to thank you for your patience and support first. Now, good news: Two DIMMs were defective - The Mac would not sleep and wake properly with two of them. (all 512 MB DIMMs) One is fine! Thank goodness! The USB card also caused the problem. FW 400 PCI card, don't know yet. I've gone through about 100 bongs tonight!!! :P The DIMMs have got lifetime warranty - Very good! Will send back soon. The CPU upgrade I have is a 233 Powerlogix PF55, but it's different than the ones I looked up.- It doesn't have the jumpers. So, I believe it's fine. My powermac is running great. That's about all for now. -Mike On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there is a jumpering of the CPU card that needs to be done. I've googled with only clues to be found.http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/powerlogix/powerforce_g4_233/po...http://www.hardmac.com/articles/5/page1 On Nov 2, 1:41 am, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: Don't you just love troubleshooting these problems Mike ? I've just had something similar in a Cube. I ended up stripping it back to bare components and then using another for spares then trying all the different components. I eventually found the culprit - an IDE cable that had broken inside the plastic outer sheathing. Impossible to see of course and only after testing the continuity with a multimeter did I find out why. I can't complain - it was an inexpensive fix at $10 for a new cable , just a lot of wasted hours finding the problem. I'd run your machine on a known good hard drive , one stick of Ram, Apple keyboard and mouse and nothing else installed and go from there. Stewie Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:45:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Well, I've about thrown in the towel on this. I've replaced the scythe fan with the original and set everything correctly and when I put the system to sleep I got a kernel panic upon wake. The only things I can imagine may be the problem is the power supply or the processor? I don't get it. If the CPU is the problem, why wouldn't there be more serious problems? BTW, where can I find service repair parts manuals for Macs with the listed specs of everything on the model including the part numbers? Thanks if anyone can help!!! I wonder if the power supply isn't the correct model for my DA or it's dying very slowly. My DA will just have to be an insomniac. -Mike _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how herehttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Mike if you have gone through a hundred bongs , you should be very stoned by now !! Glad to hear you fixed your problem. When in doubt with Ram I have run Memtest which has on the odd occasion found faults with memory modules - it just takes quite a while to run is all. OSX is very fussy when it comes to Ram. USB 2.0 cards - yeah I have a couple in my parts bin that caused lock-ups and sleep problems. Stewie Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 01:32:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Hello Stewie, I'd just like to thank you for your patience and support first. Now, good news: Two DIMMs were defective - The Mac would not sleep and wake properly with two of them. (all 512 MB DIMMs) One is fine! Thank goodness! The USB card also caused the problem. FW 400 PCI card, don't know yet. I've gone through about 100 bongs tonight!!! :P The DIMMs have got lifetime warranty - Very good! Will send back soon. The CPU upgrade I have is a 233 Powerlogix PF55, but it's different than the ones I looked up.- It doesn't have the jumpers. So, I believe it's fine. My powermac is running great. That's about all for now. -Mike On Nov 4, 2:12 am, Michael G.M. michaelgm717...@gmail.com wrote: I think that there is a jumpering of the CPU card that needs to be done. I've googled with only clues to be found.http://www.everymac.com/upgrade_cards/powerlogix/powerforce_g4_233/po...http://www.hardmac.com/articles/5/page1 On Nov 2, 1:41 am, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: Don't you just love troubleshooting these problems Mike ? I've just had something similar in a Cube. I ended up stripping it back to bare components and then using another for spares then trying all the different components. I eventually found the culprit - an IDE cable that had broken inside the plastic outer sheathing. Impossible to see of course and only after testing the continuity with a multimeter did I find out why. I can't complain - it was an inexpensive fix at $10 for a new cable , just a lot of wasted hours finding the problem. I'd run your machine on a known good hard drive , one stick of Ram, Apple keyboard and mouse and nothing else installed and go from there. Stewie Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:45:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Well, I've about thrown in the towel on this. I've replaced the scythe fan with the original and set everything correctly and when I put the system to sleep I got a kernel panic upon wake. The only things I can imagine may be the problem is the power supply or the processor? I don't get it. If the CPU is the problem, why wouldn't there be more serious problems? BTW, where can I find service repair parts manuals for Macs with the listed specs of everything on the model including the part numbers? Thanks if anyone can help!!! I wonder if the power supply isn't the correct model for my DA or it's dying very slowly. My DA will just have to be an insomniac. -Mike _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how herehttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 _ Want to know what your boss is paid? Check out The Great Australian Pay Check now http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Well, I've about thrown in the towel on this. I've replaced the scythe fan with the original and set everything correctly and when I put the system to sleep I got a kernel panic upon wake. The only things I can imagine may be the problem is the power supply or the processor? I don't get it. If the CPU is the problem, why wouldn't there be more serious problems? BTW, where can I find service repair parts manuals for Macs with the listed specs of everything on the model including the part numbers? Thanks if anyone can help!!! I wonder if the power supply isn't the correct model for my DA or it's dying very slowly. My DA will just have to be an insomniac. -Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Don't you just love troubleshooting these problems Mike ? I've just had something similar in a Cube. I ended up stripping it back to bare components and then using another for spares then trying all the different components. I eventually found the culprit - an IDE cable that had broken inside the plastic outer sheathing. Impossible to see of course and only after testing the continuity with a multimeter did I find out why. I can't complain - it was an inexpensive fix at $10 for a new cable , just a lot of wasted hours finding the problem. I'd run your machine on a known good hard drive , one stick of Ram, Apple keyboard and mouse and nothing else installed and go from there. Stewie Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:45:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Well, I've about thrown in the towel on this. I've replaced the scythe fan with the original and set everything correctly and when I put the system to sleep I got a kernel panic upon wake. The only things I can imagine may be the problem is the power supply or the processor? I don't get it. If the CPU is the problem, why wouldn't there be more serious problems? BTW, where can I find service repair parts manuals for Macs with the listed specs of everything on the model including the part numbers? Thanks if anyone can help!!! I wonder if the power supply isn't the correct model for my DA or it's dying very slowly. My DA will just have to be an insomniac. -Mike _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA
On Oct 26, 6:11 am, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: One of the ones I tried was a non-Mac card ( unsure now as it is in my DA and I can't remember the brand - all I remember is that it has the Via chipset ) which works like a charm except for a sleep issue. Others I have fitted include the Belkin below which listed as Mac compatible and works 100% OK. Here is a list that I have uploaded before that I shamelessly ripped off from MacOSXHints Quote/ To get optimal results from a USB 2.0 PCI card to run in a Mac, get a card that has the NEC chipset. Via and Ali chipsets are problematic - mostly sleep related issues, and should be avoided. Some USB 2.0 cards that have the NEC chipset are: Adaptec 3100LP BAFO BF-460 Belkin F5U220 GWC UC-160 IOGear GIC250U IOGear GIC251U Keyspan U2PCI-5 O'toLink U2-C2B O'toLink U2-C2A O'toLink U2-P20N O'toLink U2-P50 Ratoc PCIU5 USBWholesale UII-PCIP Quote\ With the fan, try here for an adapter.http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_in... Here is also a guide to the Molex power plug. Cheers, Stewie Hi Stewie, Update, I got the IOGear GIC251U, works fine. Also, replaced the Logitech mouse with the old iMac hockey puck mouse and the system goes to sleep and wakes up, monitor included, but the fan keeps running..?? Hmm. I'll work on things more later and get back. Thank you! :) -Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA
One of the ones I tried was a non-Mac card ( unsure now as it is in my DA and I can't remember the brand - all I remember is that it has the Via chipset ) which works like a charm except for a sleep issue. Others I have fitted include the Belkin below which listed as Mac compatible and works 100% OK. Here is a list that I have uploaded before that I shamelessly ripped off from MacOSXHints Quote/ To get optimal results from a USB 2.0 PCI card to run in a Mac, get a card that has the NEC chipset. Via and Ali chipsets are problematic - mostly sleep related issues, and should be avoided. Some USB 2.0 cards that have the NEC chipset are: Adaptec 3100LP BAFO BF-460 Belkin F5U220 GWC UC-160 IOGear GIC250U IOGear GIC251U Keyspan U2PCI-5 O'toLink U2-C2B O'toLink U2-C2A O'toLink U2-P20N O'toLink U2-P50 Ratoc PCIU5 USBWholesale UII-PCIP Quote\ With the fan, try here for an adapter. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=608 Here is also a guide to the Molex power plug. Cheers, Stewie Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:59:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Oct 25, 8:15 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: DOH - what am I talking about- Command - option P-R - in too much of a hurry ! The only sleep problems for any of my Macs was the USB2.0 card as I already stated and the only time I replaced a main fan was in my Sawtooth and that was from another so it went straight in. Odd, but I've heard of that problem before. Was the card listed as compatible with Mac? My G3 has a MacAlly PCI USB. I just ordered a PCI USB for the G4 too, it's an Iogear 5 port. If you still have the original fan you could cut the connector off and transplant it onto the new one. That would probably stop the fan problem but I am unsure of the display not waking from sleep. Forgot this one at first. Good question. I could, I think. Or could I replace the connectors of the new fan into the 3 pin of the new fan? And what about the third wire? (Yellow) Also, I'll try the old fan altogether again to see what will happen first. Thanks! -Mike _ Get Hotmail on your iPhone Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=845706 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- attachment: Connettore.gif
RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Sometimes third party hardware can cause sleep issues ( USB2.0 PCI cards being the main culprit with this problem ) so it may be your PL CPU upgrade - maybe not. I don't think a start button circuit board or fan upgrade would cause this although stranger things have been known to happen I'd try a PRAM reset first - press the restart button while holding down the P, R, A and M keys on the keyboard and wait until it chimes three times before letting these go and letting the DA continue on its start up procedure. Stewie Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:21:31 -0700 Subject: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I've been having some issues with my G4 DA; It will not sleep properly: When I click on sleep from the Apple menu while logged in it will go to sleep, but the monitor will not wake up. Now, lately, when in the log in window, I click on sleep and it will go to sleep, but the intenal fan will keep running and it wakes up properly. I've gotten no help from Apple on this on their forums. I've tried changing from two different CRT monitors and changed from different compatible GPUs and nothing seems to work properly. Otherwise the System runs like a champ! I've upgraded the RAM to max out of 1.5 GB. It also has been upgraded to a 800 MHz powerlogix, which runs awesome! It has the Radeon AGP retail, 32 MB. Any suggestions as to what may be the problem? The only thing I can guess is the issue is the power on button assembly may be going out? Another issue I thought may be the internal fan was replaced and may not be compatible because I hooked it up to the 4 pin molex bus? Power of the fan? Any help will be appreciated, I do everything with this Mac in OS 9 and 10.3.9! Thank you! Mike _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Just out of curiosity, why have you connected the upgraded fan to a molex HD power connection and not the two pin like the original ? The fan itself won't cause the sleep problem but how you have it connected just maybe. I'm unsure what the voltage is for this - 5V as opposed to 7V ? Stewie From: stewies...@hotmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:21:25 +1100 Sometimes third party hardware can cause sleep issues ( USB2.0 PCI cards being the main culprit with this problem ) so it may be your PL CPU upgrade - maybe not. I don't think a start button circuit board or fan upgrade would cause this although stranger things have been known to happen I'd try a PRAM reset first - press the restart button while holding down the P, R, A and M keys on the keyboard and wait until it chimes three times before letting these go and letting the DA continue on its start up procedure. Stewie Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:21:31 -0700 Subject: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com I've been having some issues with my G4 DA; It will not sleep properly: When I click on sleep from the Apple menu while logged in it will go to sleep, but the monitor will not wake up. Now, lately, when in the log in window, I click on sleep and it will go to sleep, but the intenal fan will keep running and it wakes up properly. I've gotten no help from Apple on this on their forums. I've tried changing from two different CRT monitors and changed from different compatible GPUs and nothing seems to work properly. Otherwise the System runs like a champ! I've upgraded the RAM to max out of 1.5 GB. It also has been upgraded to a 800 MHz powerlogix, which runs awesome! It has the Radeon AGP retail, 32 MB. Any suggestions as to what may be the problem? The only thing I can guess is the issue is the power on button assembly may be going out? Another issue I thought may be the internal fan was replaced and may not be compatible because I hooked it up to the 4 pin molex bus? Power of the fan? Any help will be appreciated, I do everything with this Mac in OS 9 and 10.3.9! Thank you! Mike /html _ Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA
On Oct 25, 6:35 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, why have you connected the upgraded fan to a molex HD power connection and not the two pin like the original ? The fan itself won't cause the sleep problem but how you have it connected just maybe. I'm unsure what the voltage is for this - 5V as opposed to 7V ? Stewie From: stewies...@hotmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:21:25 +1100 Sometimes third party hardware can cause sleep issues ( USB2.0 PCI cards being the main culprit with this problem ) so it may be your PL CPU upgrade - maybe not. I don't think a start button circuit board or fan upgrade would cause this although stranger things have been known to happen I'd try a PRAM reset first - press the restart button while holding down the P, R, A and M keys on the keyboard and wait until it chimes three times before letting these go and letting the DA continue on its start up procedure. Stewie Hi Stewie, I had to connect the fan that way because there was no two pin connector like the apple original. I've had to do this on my G3 also with no issues. I've also reset the PRAM. It's command+option+P+R. I've added a FW 400 PCI and it had this problem before I added this upgrade. I've also replaced the logic board and still have this issue. I sure hope it's not the CPU upgrade, I don't think I can send it back now, it's beyond the 30 day warranty. I usually don't set my Mac to sleep as I almost always have iTunes radio streaming in. I'll take a look inside and let you know more about the setup. I'm a little po'd, this is a nice Mac otherwise. lol! -Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA
Hi, In the Energy Saver I only have 'Put the Hard Disk(s) to sleep when possible. Both the Computer sleep and Display sleep I have set to never, and the Display sleep box is not checked, of course. Nothing until now has been checked in the Schedule and options menus. I just checked 'Allow power button to sleep computer'. But, besides all this Mac OS X refs, Mac OS 9 on another partition has this issue also when booted. I don't know if this Logitech mouse is the issue, that is since I didn't install the software and it's not officially Mac OS 9 recommended, also I have the Kensington Keyboard in a box model #64350 - It has a power button like the older iMacs. I'd use my Kensington trackball, which doesn't really need software for 9 or X, but my kids lost the silly ball :P My wife uses the other Kensington trackball mouse. I'll do the switcheroo of peripherals soon and report back with the results. I pretty much know the ropes of trouble shooting and tracking down Mac oddities. - I've had our eMac with the bad caps issue that had the logic board and power inverter replaced twice (one part each time) and now it's been working mostly flawlessly. The only issue with the eMac usb 2.0 is that I installed the eMac tiger install for the 2005 eMac and it won't work with fast user switching anymore - Still a great deal at only 70 bucks about a year ago now from fastmac, thus my wife is the main user of it and I am still Admin of it and I use it for more up-to-date things when needed and updating Mozilla apps when needed, etc. Anyway, back to the topic. I also have been trying to set up the AGP ATi prefs in the ATi prefs pane. I'm pretty sure everything is totally set up kosher for my needs and I don't use a TV, so I don't have any of those prefs enabled. Like I said tho, almost all fans that I know of have the 4 pin molex connection option. The fan I have is the Kaze-JYUNI Slip stream 120 mm, Model # SY1225SL 12SH, 3 pin connector with 4 pin connector included (which I used) 12V, 0.53A. I got it from newegg. The original fan is a Sensflow Model # WFC1212B, 12V, 0.44A. So, I don't think 0.09A is a big System drain since you can hook up a zillion other things like USB powered drives and PCI slot fans, etc. This is a lot of info. I hope it makes enough sense. BTW, thank you for your help so far!!! :) Mike On Oct 25, 8:15 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: DOH - what am I talking about- Command - option P-R - in too much of a hurry ! The only sleep problems for any of my Macs was the USB2.0 card as I already stated and the only time I replaced a main fan was in my Sawtooth and that was from another so it went straight in. If you still have the original fan you could cut the connector off and transplant it onto the new one. That would probably stop the fan problem but I am unsure of the display not waking from sleep. Do you have some display option turned off in the preferences for either display or energy saver ? Stewie Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:26:59 -0700 Subject: Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA From: michaelgm717...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Oct 25, 6:35 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, why have you connected the upgraded fan to a molex HD power connection and not the two pin like the original ? The fan itself won't cause the sleep problem but how you have it connected just maybe. I'm unsure what the voltage is for this - 5V as opposed to 7V ? Stewie From: stewies...@hotmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sleep issue on G4 DA Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:21:25 +1100 Sometimes third party hardware can cause sleep issues ( USB2.0 PCI cards being the main culprit with this problem ) so it may be your PL CPU upgrade - maybe not. I don't think a start button circuit board or fan upgrade would cause this although stranger things have been known to happen I'd try a PRAM reset first - press the restart button while holding down the P, R, A and M keys on the keyboard and wait until it chimes three times before letting these go and letting the DA continue on its start up procedure. Stewie Hi Stewie, I had to connect the fan that way because there was no two pin connector like the apple original. I've had to do this on my G3 also with no issues. I've also reset the PRAM. It's command+option+P+R. I've added a FW 400 PCI and it had this problem before I added this upgrade. I've also replaced the logic board and still have this issue. I sure hope it's not the CPU upgrade, I don't think I can send it back now, it's beyond the 30 day warranty. I usually don't set my Mac to sleep as I almost always have iTunes radio streaming in. I'll take a look inside and let you know more about the setup. I'm a little po'd, this is a nice Mac otherwise. lol! -Mike
Re: Sleep issue on G4 DA
On Oct 25, 8:15 pm, Stewie de Young stewies...@hotmail.com wrote: DOH - what am I talking about- Command - option P-R - in too much of a hurry ! The only sleep problems for any of my Macs was the USB2.0 card as I already stated and the only time I replaced a main fan was in my Sawtooth and that was from another so it went straight in. Odd, but I've heard of that problem before. Was the card listed as compatible with Mac? My G3 has a MacAlly PCI USB. I just ordered a PCI USB for the G4 too, it's an Iogear 5 port. If you still have the original fan you could cut the connector off and transplant it onto the new one. That would probably stop the fan problem but I am unsure of the display not waking from sleep. Forgot this one at first. Good question. I could, I think. Or could I replace the connectors of the new fan into the 3 pin of the new fan? And what about the third wire? (Yellow) Also, I'll try the old fan altogether again to see what will happen first. Thanks! -Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sleep issue on G4 Tower
Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Hi - it has decided to have insomnia. Used to sleep really well. Sometimes it will sleep after a minute which is how I set it in Energy Saver. But the hard disk doesn't go to sleep. When I select sleep under the Apple Menu it wakes up after about 5 seconds. Any ideas? The fan broke once and so I am leery of letting it be awake with the fan running all the time. Anne Keller Smith Down to Earth Web Design G4 Quicksilver 733mHz Tower 896 MB RAM, 40 GB hard drive, OS X 10.2.8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.downtoearthweb.com I had sleep issues with a 450 mhz x2 G4 with 10.2.8. Somewhere in between 10.4.0 and 10.4.11 everything magically resolved. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
