Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility
the game is perfectly accessible. I'd actually be interested to know which version of the game you got, sinse I thought that message had been taken out. It was initially in the game when the compatibility mode wasn't complete and stil in beta testing phase, but doesn't apply anymore, now all screens are properly labled. as to check boxes, just listen for the bleep sound, that will tell you when something has been checked, even though it doesn't say so on screen. this is because s4 has specifically designed controls not the standard ones, but it really isn't a problem. Btw, there actually wasn't need to buy the game, both have fairly extensive demos. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I bought this game along with tv maneger 2 (which in the end, after reading the manual i did not play) but smugglers seems interesting. I am now doing the game settings before starting a game however and apparently I cant see if a setting is checked or not, I also see when i enable the accessibility mode that it only works for the travel screen. I wonder how accessible this game really is. Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility
Hi, I have smugglers 4, bought it a few days ago via the nielsbauergames website and got directed to a download link so I assume I have the current version. I will try the setup screen again but I THINK I hear the beep sound wether I check or uncheck a box but I will have to verify that. Both with jaws 11 and wineyes 7.2 although most stuff is labelled the interface still seems a bit strange and the labels are not on one line. What I mean is if you want to fire ships guns you get fire your but then not the word guns. I must say though that I dont use the jaws cursor but my braille display to navigate the screen. I still have to find out how I can left click with it though because so far I have not been able tog et the in game help topics to work. I wonder how you know if star systems are controlled by your faction or your enemies (in that case they are colored red) but so far I have not been able to get that colour registered on my braille display. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility the game is perfectly accessible. I'd actually be interested to know which version of the game you got, sinse I thought that message had been taken out. It was initially in the game when the compatibility mode wasn't complete and stil in beta testing phase, but doesn't apply anymore, now all screens are properly labled. as to check boxes, just listen for the bleep sound, that will tell you when something has been checked, even though it doesn't say so on screen. this is because s4 has specifically designed controls not the standard ones, but it really isn't a problem. Btw, there actually wasn't need to buy the game, both have fairly extensive demos. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I bought this game along with tv maneger 2 (which in the end, after reading the manual i did not play) but smugglers seems interesting. I am now doing the game settings before starting a game however and apparently I cant see if a setting is checked or not, I also see when i enable the accessibility mode that it only works for the travel screen. I wonder how accessible this game really is. Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility
Hi. I'll mention the lack of message to niels. Try adding the patch, maybe that will give you the latest version without the message. Yes, checking boxes does just give you a click, but really this doesn't matter, the only otpions music, sfx, which are check boxes are pretty obvious when checked or not, and others like blind compatibility mode or hard mode give you an on screen message. the layout thing is unfortunately just a consequence of how Jaws formats screens when using the jaws curser. With hal, the text formatting comes out perfectly due to Hal's ability to use virtual focus in columns. If you can set the screen view in window eyes or jaws to display a table format try that, though to be honest as a Hal user of 17 years I'm less sure how those things work. i do know though that people have played the game with Jaws and window eyes, so it is possible, though this might be through experience with the interface. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I have smugglers 4, bought it a few days ago via the nielsbauergames website and got directed to a download link so I assume I have the current version. I will try the setup screen again but I THINK I hear the beep sound wether I check or uncheck a box but I will have to verify that. Both with jaws 11 and wineyes 7.2 although most stuff is labelled the interface still seems a bit strange and the labels are not on one line. What I mean is if you want to fire ships guns you get fire your but then not the word guns. I must say though that I dont use the jaws cursor but my braille display to navigate the screen. I still have to find out how I can left click with it though because so far I have not been able tog et the in game help topics to work. I wonder how you know if star systems are controlled by your faction or your enemies (in that case they are colored red) but so far I have not been able to get that colour registered on my braille display. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility the game is perfectly accessible. I'd actually be interested to know which version of the game you got, sinse I thought that message had been taken out. It was initially in the game when the compatibility mode wasn't complete and stil in beta testing phase, but doesn't apply anymore, now all screens are properly labled. as to check boxes, just listen for the bleep sound, that will tell you when something has been checked, even though it doesn't say so on screen. this is because s4 has specifically designed controls not the standard ones, but it really isn't a problem. Btw, there actually wasn't need to buy the game, both have fairly extensive demos. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I bought this game along with tv maneger 2 (which in the end, after reading the manual i did not play) but smugglers seems interesting. I am now doing the game settings before starting a game however and apparently I cant see if a setting is checked or not, I also see when i enable the accessibility mode that it only works for the travel screen. I wonder how accessible this game really is. Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility
Hi, Well I was a hal user myself for many years as well though I dont have a recent version anymore (In the past I found it the best screenreader if you are a die hard braille user like me but wineyes and jfw have really caught up so my need to use hal has disappeared). Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi. I'll mention the lack of message to niels. Try adding the patch, maybe that will give you the latest version without the message. Yes, checking boxes does just give you a click, but really this doesn't matter, the only otpions music, sfx, which are check boxes are pretty obvious when checked or not, and others like blind compatibility mode or hard mode give you an on screen message. the layout thing is unfortunately just a consequence of how Jaws formats screens when using the jaws curser. With hal, the text formatting comes out perfectly due to Hal's ability to use virtual focus in columns. If you can set the screen view in window eyes or jaws to display a table format try that, though to be honest as a Hal user of 17 years I'm less sure how those things work. i do know though that people have played the game with Jaws and window eyes, so it is possible, though this might be through experience with the interface. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I have smugglers 4, bought it a few days ago via the nielsbauergames website and got directed to a download link so I assume I have the current version. I will try the setup screen again but I THINK I hear the beep sound wether I check or uncheck a box but I will have to verify that. Both with jaws 11 and wineyes 7.2 although most stuff is labelled the interface still seems a bit strange and the labels are not on one line. What I mean is if you want to fire ships guns you get fire your but then not the word guns. I must say though that I dont use the jaws cursor but my braille display to navigate the screen. I still have to find out how I can left click with it though because so far I have not been able tog et the in game help topics to work. I wonder how you know if star systems are controlled by your faction or your enemies (in that case they are colored red) but so far I have not been able to get that colour registered on my braille display. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility the game is perfectly accessible. I'd actually be interested to know which version of the game you got, sinse I thought that message had been taken out. It was initially in the game when the compatibility mode wasn't complete and stil in beta testing phase, but doesn't apply anymore, now all screens are properly labled. as to check boxes, just listen for the bleep sound, that will tell you when something has been checked, even though it doesn't say so on screen. this is because s4 has specifically designed controls not the standard ones, but it really isn't a problem. Btw, there actually wasn't need to buy the game, both have fairly extensive demos. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I bought this game along with tv maneger 2 (which in the end, after reading the manual i did not play) but smugglers seems interesting. I am now doing the game settings before starting a game however and apparently I cant see if a setting is checked or not, I also see when i enable the accessibility mode that it only works for the travel screen. I wonder how accessible this game really is. Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility
Fair enough. I must admit on the occasions I've tried jaws I've never personally been a fan, but I won't start one of those arguements sinse they tend to be circular and overheated. stil, hal 7 or later should work without a problem provided you know what your doing with the virtual focus. 6 might, but is likely to have some issues, but any version under 6 probably won't be much good. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, Well I was a hal user myself for many years as well though I dont have a recent version anymore (In the past I found it the best screenreader if you are a die hard braille user like me but wineyes and jfw have really caught up so my need to use hal has disappeared). Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi. I'll mention the lack of message to niels. Try adding the patch, maybe that will give you the latest version without the message. Yes, checking boxes does just give you a click, but really this doesn't matter, the only otpions music, sfx, which are check boxes are pretty obvious when checked or not, and others like blind compatibility mode or hard mode give you an on screen message. the layout thing is unfortunately just a consequence of how Jaws formats screens when using the jaws curser. With hal, the text formatting comes out perfectly due to Hal's ability to use virtual focus in columns. If you can set the screen view in window eyes or jaws to display a table format try that, though to be honest as a Hal user of 17 years I'm less sure how those things work. i do know though that people have played the game with Jaws and window eyes, so it is possible, though this might be through experience with the interface. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I have smugglers 4, bought it a few days ago via the nielsbauergames website and got directed to a download link so I assume I have the current version. I will try the setup screen again but I THINK I hear the beep sound wether I check or uncheck a box but I will have to verify that. Both with jaws 11 and wineyes 7.2 although most stuff is labelled the interface still seems a bit strange and the labels are not on one line. What I mean is if you want to fire ships guns you get fire your but then not the word guns. I must say though that I dont use the jaws cursor but my braille display to navigate the screen. I still have to find out how I can left click with it though because so far I have not been able tog et the in game help topics to work. I wonder how you know if star systems are controlled by your faction or your enemies (in that case they are colored red) but so far I have not been able to get that colour registered on my braille display. Greetings, Anouk, - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility the game is perfectly accessible. I'd actually be interested to know which version of the game you got, sinse I thought that message had been taken out. It was initially in the game when the compatibility mode wasn't complete and stil in beta testing phase, but doesn't apply anymore, now all screens are properly labled. as to check boxes, just listen for the bleep sound, that will tell you when something has been checked, even though it doesn't say so on screen. this is because s4 has specifically designed controls not the standard ones, but it really isn't a problem. Btw, there actually wasn't need to buy the game, both have fairly extensive demos. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Anouk Radix anou...@home.nl To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 accessibility Hi, I bought this game along with tv maneger 2 (which in the end, after reading the manual i did not play) but smugglers seems interesting. I am now doing the game settings before starting a game however and apparently I cant see if a setting is checked or not, I also see when i enable the accessibility mode that it only works for the travel screen. I wonder how accessible this game really is. Greetings, Anouk, --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Woes
Hi. firstly, you need to use the jaws curser to navigate the game, including the start up screen, i'll leave it up to people who actually use Jaws to discuss that, but just be aware standard tabbing and arrowing in your usual reading mode wont' work. Second, you need to go to the options menue and click on the accessibility mode, which will make the game use more text, and be all round more accessible, sinse by default without this mode, the game comes with some unlabled graphics an swiftly scrolling messages. Bare these in mind and things should work. Have fun with the game. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: William L. Houts cad...@q.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Woes Hi Gang, I've downloaded Smugglers 4, which promises to be an excellent acccessible game. But while the intro music is stirring enough, I have no luck in getting Jaws to read the screens. I've tried tabbing, arrowing and the alt key, and none of them work. Has anyone else downloaded and played Smugglers, and if so how did you get it to work? --Bill I just flew in from the Land of the Dead, and boy are my arms tired. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
Hi, I can't seem to find the trade screen. Any ideas? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 22 December 2008 13:54 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo Well personally I never turned off even the music in S3, I just wore some good headphones, but to answer your question, the music in S4 is indeed quieter, so having it on or not is a matter of preference rather than necessity. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo Do you have to turn off the music like in the prev version as the prev version it was way to loud No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 22/12/2008 11:23 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 22/12/2008 11:23 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
Don't worry I've found the blind mode now -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Darren Harris Sent: 23 December 2008 10:23 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo Hi, I can't seem to find the trade screen. Any ideas? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 22 December 2008 13:54 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo Well personally I never turned off even the music in S3, I just wore some good headphones, but to answer your question, the music in S4 is indeed quieter, so having it on or not is a matter of preference rather than necessity. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo Do you have to turn off the music like in the prev version as the prev version it was way to loud No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 22/12/2008 11:23 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 22/12/2008 11:23 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 22/12/2008 11:23 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 22/12/2008 11:23 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
I think it's just meant for background music. I'm not totally certain because I've never played the full version but I believe that's the only one. If not, that'd of course be great. Might buy it actually. There didn't really seem to be any type of plot or what have you in the demo... On Dec 22, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Will Lomas wrote: hi does the demo of smugglers 4 only contain that 1 track of music? does the full version contain more variety? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
where do i get this game and what is it. - Original Message - From: Orin orin8...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo I think it's just meant for background music. I'm not totally certain because I've never played the full version but I believe that's the only one. If not, that'd of course be great. Might buy it actually. There didn't really seem to be any type of plot or what have you in the demo... On Dec 22, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Will Lomas wrote: hi does the demo of smugglers 4 only contain that 1 track of music? does the full version contain more variety? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
In sm 4 do you age as quickly as you did in sm 3 or is there a way to turn the aging off. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Orin Sent: 22 December 2008 10:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo I think it's just meant for background music. I'm not totally certain because I've never played the full version but I believe that's the only one. If not, that'd of course be great. Might buy it actually. There didn't really seem to be any type of plot or what have you in the demo... On Dec 22, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Will Lomas wrote: hi does the demo of smugglers 4 only contain that 1 track of music? does the full version contain more variety? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
Sadly, music is probably the only aspect of the game where S4 falls down. there are a few musical clips to mark game events such as when you get promoted, but the backghround music unfortunately doesn't change. Most of the time, I play with it turned off. Really though, the game is so in depth you don't really miss much of the music. Well, I'm off to conquer more systems for the federation! all in all i'd say the best music is the sound of other faction ships going boom! especially starbase defence systems. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
S4 is a very different style of game. You do just about make your own plot through the variety of missions, the different events that can happen, and the different outcomes of those events. for example, I was returning to the finis federation system after successfully deffending new ireland to receive a mission involving an uprising on finis prime. getting there, i found that rebels had captured some ships, so required me to take them out. For that service, the federation awarded me the governorship of the planet sargoth, --- just next door to Finis prime. then, with reports of near by aggression in the baiten system, I had to go and try my best to blockade the baiten jump point. Traveling to this blockade i caught up with an enemy Vip, who I subsequently attempted to capture, and failed. and so on. The game has so many flexible events and factors when you get to the later portions of the game (especially with a battleship fighting in fleet battles), that you don't need some specific gamebook style plot. the fact that everything is also done through news reports of the war just adds realism and atmosphere to things. Beware the Grue! Dark. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
No, you age much more slowly. I'm currently a 29 year old admiral with his own planet. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo In sm 4 do you age as quickly as you did in sm 3 or is there a way to turn the aging off. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Orin Sent: 22 December 2008 10:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo I think it's just meant for background music. I'm not totally certain because I've never played the full version but I believe that's the only one. If not, that'd of course be great. Might buy it actually. There didn't really seem to be any type of plot or what have you in the demo... On Dec 22, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Will Lomas wrote: hi does the demo of smugglers 4 only contain that 1 track of music? does the full version contain more variety? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
Oh that's good because with smuglers 3 you aged far to quickly. I turned the aging thing off -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: 22 December 2008 13:03 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo No, you age much more slowly. I'm currently a 29 year old admiral with his own planet. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo In sm 4 do you age as quickly as you did in sm 3 or is there a way to turn the aging off. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Orin Sent: 22 December 2008 10:53 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo I think it's just meant for background music. I'm not totally certain because I've never played the full version but I believe that's the only one. If not, that'd of course be great. Might buy it actually. There didn't really seem to be any type of plot or what have you in the demo... On Dec 22, 2008, at 5:50 AM, Will Lomas wrote: hi does the demo of smugglers 4 only contain that 1 track of music? does the full version contain more variety? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
Do you have to turn off the music like in the prev version as the prev version it was way to loud No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo
Well personally I never turned off even the music in S3, I just wore some good headphones, but to answer your question, the music in S4 is indeed quieter, so having it on or not is a matter of preference rather than necessity. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris darren_g_har...@btinternet.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 demo Do you have to turn off the music like in the prev version as the prev version it was way to loud No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1860 - Release Date: 21/12/2008 15:08 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 really frustrated.
well I was contemplating buying smuglers to play with my friends. It was either that or buy missisipy first. looks like the latter will be what I will buy first and I may never buy that game at all. pitty, I'd have got it and its expantion packs as one package. If the interface reports were not so mangled. At 06:12 a.m. 6/10/2008, you wrote: hi list. just wondering, has anyone else had problems getting hold of neils bower? as i'm e mailing the support address given on his website, but i keep getting my mails bounced. i'm going to try in the forums, but then if i still don't get an answer i want my money back which would be a shame. half the reason i think the smugglers 4 interface is so hard to use is that the options are all jumbled with text. i wonder why he hasn't or won't join the gamers list to consult on accessibility instead of assuming what we need. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 question
Hi. you don't need to actually enter a name, simply copy and paste your license code. I had fun registering my copy, sinse at the time I was not connected to the net and had to ask my brother to buy it for me, then give me the setup file and information on a memory key for my laptop. I thought I might have to enter his name, but as it turned out simply pasting the code was enough. Hth. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: alex wallis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 question hi list. could someone please advise me how i register smugglers 4? as when i load the game it asks for a name and a key, however I can only see one edit field. so i enter my license name, then do a space and paste in my license code. however i then hit ok and it says they are invalid. i have tried e mailing neils bower for support, and i keep getting my messages returned saying they couldn't be delivered. I also converted the manual to text format to more easily read it, and I couldn't find anything in there about registration or the compatibility mode for blind players. I really hope this isn't a sign of bad things to come as so far i'm not impressed. i mean for god sake a manual with no information in about the really basic things such as registering? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4, unable to start!
Haven't seen it myself, but I'm runing Xp. I suggest you send an E-mail to the developer, he's great about answering those sorts of questions. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: piotru[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4, unable to start! Hi, I decided, after smugglers4 being for nothing on my computer. decided to upgrade it to 1.0 h, but, I left the game. Well the first time I insalled it I had to close it with task manager. Then I kept getting an error, or to be honest 1 error per second. Dialog after dialog with the same thing kept appearing, and I always had to shut it down with the taskmanager. Yesterday I decided to upgrade, and hoped it will solve my problem. nope, it didn't. I'm running vista ultimate, and I'm running as an admnistrator. here's the error. sorry I can't even virtualize the window, those dialogs appear many times 1 per second. they state that A file was not found, and the file is C:\Users\Piotr\Desktop\StartScreen12Highlighted.jpg does anyone else experience this? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Yeah, I like thhose skills as well. I'm not really sure how much taunt reduces accuracy, but it does seem to help quite a bit. I've found that a lot of the mercenary skills help as well. Things like disciplin, maneuver and lock I use almost every battle. I never got a chance to go for emp since I didn't get high enough in the criminal skill tree, but one skill I am really curious about is cloaking. I wonder what it does? I know you have to have a target mark on the other person's ship to be able to hit them, but it seems like it'd be just a bit too cheap to make you completely invisible and not even grazable. Grazable? Is that a word? Anyway, once I get around to beating the game with my mercenary, which probably won't be till fleet combat is fully accessible, I'll have to start over, maybe as another faction and try out some of the other skills. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Well, I'll let you know about the skill tree. emp resistance actually doesn't seem to work all that well, I've stil got emped (ha! I made up a word too!), the turn after using it. After I've done my mercinary/bounty hunter game (really, the professions are very similar), which as you say will probably have to wait for the next upgrade, if the trade thing is fixed with the minimize button so as to be less of a pain, i'd like to try a full blown pirate game, with a bit of trading thrown in, and yes, i'll be playing as the syndicate. skills wise, taunt saves my neck a lot! then I've found it handy to try and balance the high damage and high accuracy skills. Most turns in battles (when no missiles are involved), I tend to use diciplin and focus beam, but targit lock and ambush also help. My one worry with emp skills is accurcy, sinse as you have to have lots of criminal skills to be able to have emp and exploit, you can't have things like targit lock, so I wonder how often you miss. anyway, you can always get some pretty good emp effects with disrupters. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 moving up
Hi che. when you've traveled to a planet, click the travel to this location thing again to open the planet's menue. there will be options to speak to the governer, buy a new ship, or buy new ship equipment. when you open the equipment screen there will be various choices at the top, upgrade guns, upgrade ecm etc. Click on one of those and the description of your current item will be at the bottom, along with a upgrade option which will bring up a list of available upgrades of that item type, with descriptions and a buy button. Personally, I always like to upgrade ecm and targiting systems even on the first fighter, You could also think about upgrading the cargo bay to get extra loot, though I'm personally waiting for traiding to be easier before I look into that. There are some very nice missile and gun upgrades available, but they will cost you. Hth. beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:02 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 moving up Hi guys, How do you go about upgrading your ship, or is that even worth doing in the early stages of the game? I have about 50,000 credits now, and I don't see where to buy a new ship or upgrade the current one. Thanks, Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Ok, going to reply to 3 different messages here. Not sure if you've gotten past all this che, but if you've got the latest version of the patch you should see just about everything on the screen to start with. I think the only thing you can see if your patch isn't working properly is some of the travel screen, aka planets and jump points, but you wouldn't be able to buy ships, upgrade equipment and such. The battle screen I think has been workable from the start, though I'm not entirely sure. Either way I believe the patches upgrade from any version to the latest version, so if you unzipped everything odds are you've got the latest version. As for the scan mode, that's mostly for finding pirates and getting into spy missions and abduction missions and such. The options are actually attack, communicate and back, and back's the one you want. Dark, as of right now fleet combat isn't very accessible. Basically it looks a bit like this. You have 3 options. Attack target yourself, selected escort attacks and emergency shield recharge. Well I guess you have retreat as well, but who in their right mind would ever use that option? *grin*. What you can do, with jaws at least, is click on the graphics that are across from eachother. In all the fleet missions I've seen, you get a fleet of 3 ships escorting you, 2 destroyers and a cruiser, and you go up against the same and 3 battleships, so you're actually pretty heavily outnumbered. Once you've beaten the two destroyers and the cruiser on the enemy side though, the 3 battleships don't show up as graphics, so your only real option is to run the mouse straight up from the attack buttonand hope for the best trying to click on the next ship symbol to select your target. The one thing I haven't tried yet is ground combat, I can't figure out how to engage it, but supposedly there's supposed to be missions or raids of some kind where you can take your crew to a planet and drop your marines planet side and kind of supress the planets army in that fashion. I'm not sure if he scrapped that idea or not. Either way, even without it, smugglers4 has tons of features and is probably the closest thing to a completely accessible RPG we'll get in a long time. I love it. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hi shaddow dragon. I'm not sure how that will work with hal, but sinse I abandoned my syndicate game as it was going rather slowly and want to make a restart, it'll be a while before i need that screen. Are the ship graphics the same as the ones in battle? or more like the ones on the sensor screen before it was labled. hal's always been able to get the ship graphics, but before the sensor screen was labled I couldn' click on any of the blips. then again though, by the time i get to the point of needing a battleship it's likely the screen will be labled, especially sinse apparently in the next upgrade equipment prices are going up so as to slow the game down and force you to try more equipment types, just see the nielsbauer forum for details. as reguards ground combat, i haven't heard anything about that, and there's certainly nothing like that mentioned in the manual. the closest thing i've seen are those missions where you have to pick up marines and then drop them off on an enemy planet, descriptively very nice, but for practical purposes just two nav point patrol missions. Beware the Grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
I'm not really sure what you mean about the graphics, since all graphics show up the same with jaws. I didn't see any graphics on the sensor screen before it got fixed though, so perhaps hal is a bit better at reading certain types of graphics. Anyway the ship graphics are kind of like the ones that show up as planet icons, or at the bottom of the screen with compatibility mode off. Hmm. I'm not sure if I'm happy about the price change or not. The game did seem to go a little fast, but it seemed to have about the right balance. If the prices go up, then it'll go into the problem smugglers3 had where earning money gets ridiculously tedius. I had a bit of trouble already earning the money I needed for my first jump ship, since mercenaries have a hard time earning money in fighting missions early on. I hope at least he doesn't change the prices too much, or only in the later ships. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets
All the planets are in the game. The problem is that when you need to find a planet for a mission, the icon changes, and he doesn't have the mission planet icons textualized yet. The only thing you can really do is click on the graphic that represents the planet. The planets always stay in the same location, and jupiter is close to the top of the sol system I believe. What I usually do if I can't remember where the planet is or I want confirmation, is click on a graphic that odesn't seem to be linked to another planet, then go down and click on the info button right near the sensor thing. Then if you read up it'll give you name and information of the planet. Its kind of a pain and the dev has said he's working on getting those icons labeled, but it'll probably be a while, so that's the only solution I have for now. -- From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets Apologies if I missed the answer to this, but how do you find particular planets in the game? I need to get to jupiter for a mission, but I don't see it on any of the screens. Is that a part of the game that just isn't accessible yet? If so, that is a bummer for taking missions on. later, che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hmmm, well I'm not sure on graphics, i'll just have to see when i get there. about earning money for a jump ship, the prices for fighters are going to stay the sme aparently, it's only from corvets and upwards that the prices will increase. i just managed to get a shadow cat (why the heck the you can't buy a paladin in the solar system i don't know!). I don't actually find it too much of a problem as a mercienary to earn the money for a jump ship, but that's because i mix the missions in with bounty hunting the sensor screen, and don't buy too many ship upgrades, sinse as you said the game is much more fun when you leave the first system. what i've just done, was buy only the mars works combat engine, AND DEFENDER mK iI ECM, then choose advanced tracking, fast recharge, and tractor beam for the first few upgrades, though if I've got space i usually get advanced rewards, which iis possible after fast recharge. even before you get the tractor beam, I've found pirates are rather stupid about remembering to flee, provided you keep them busy with missiles and use the focus beam. Traders flee rather quickly, so the tractor beam is absolutely necessary before you start on them, provided you only attack enemy traders, you won't have any criminal problemS, IN FACT SINSE THERE ARE SO MANY ENEMY TRADERS AROUND, i really don't see a point in the criminal stuff. I've found with just the ecm and mars works combat, i can take out an average shadowcat with the right stratogy, for example a mission targit or pirate, though usually those high bounty pirates have emp and are much nastier. what i do then is choose mainly patrol missions, with the odd ambush or particularly rewarding search and destroy thrown in, and use the sensor screen at every oppertunity. when my shields get depleated by taking out pirates or traders, or when nothing appears, i move on. that way I've managed to get a jump ship pretty qhickly as a mercenary. the one thing i don't know is whether it's worth buying cargo management or not, sinse on the one hand it does cost money, but on the other it can increase loot from traders. well, that's the way I do it. oh btw shadowdragon, if your that far on in the game, maybe you could answer me a question? which ability do you need in the skill tree to get focus beam II? I know it's either double speed, mark or emp resistance, but i'm not sure which, and I don't want to make the mistake of buying the wrong one. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets
Hmmm, obviously doing things with jaws is very! different than with hal. hal doesn't read the mission markers, but is stil capable of reading the planet names without them, and other than when covered by the trade or mission windows, I've never lost any planets. obviously this is one of those cases of S4 being slightly nasty to jaws which I've heard about, it's certainly a shame, and I hope che, or someone else with the technical skill will be able to fix it with a script file. beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets All the planets are in the game. The problem is that when you need to find a planet for a mission, the icon changes, and he doesn't have the mission planet icons textualized yet. The only thing you can really do is click on the graphic that represents the planet. The planets always stay in the same location, and jupiter is close to the top of the sol system I believe. What I usually do if I can't remember where the planet is or I want confirmation, is click on a graphic that odesn't seem to be linked to another planet, then go down and click on the info button right near the sensor thing. Then if you read up it'll give you name and information of the planet. Its kind of a pain and the dev has said he's working on getting those icons labeled, but it'll probably be a while, so that's the only solution I have for now. -- From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:05 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets Apologies if I missed the answer to this, but how do you find particular planets in the game? I need to get to jupiter for a mission, but I don't see it on any of the screens. Is that a part of the game that just isn't accessible yet? If so, that is a bummer for taking missions on. later, che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets
When I go to galaxy, I get all the colony names, at least that is what I think they are. Are these on particular planets? For instance, is New Italy tied to one planet, so if I go there I could go to that particular planet? The only objects I see for the Sol system are sol, saturn, earth and the moon. What should I be looking for here so I might get to jupiter or any other planet? thanks, che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hmm, that's an interesting strategy. Me personally, I'm an all or nothing kind of guy, for some reason I go for the super upgrades. And actually you can buy a paladin in about any system that I've seen, I really have no idea what the not available thing is unless there's other ships that don't show up. I know I've seen some ships that aren't on the list, for example the hellcat and the corsair, I think they're federation spacific ships, so maybe the not available thing is those ships and they don't show up because he didn't bother to textualize the ships you couldn't buy. From basically the corvette up though, I pretty much stole my way through the ships rather than buy them. It's a lot easier on the purse if you can find a ship with a fairly weak crew. It can still be tough though. As for focus beam 2, it must be mark, since I don't have either double speed or emp resistance. For some silly reason I went over into the criminal skill tree after I got tractor beam, which I got way too late in the game for my liking by the way, I like your idea better *grin*. So I'm now at rank admiral and can't get any further mercenary skills, which sucks since I'd really like to have emp resistance. Ah well, for another time I suppose. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets
Yeah, all the planets stay in each system. So if you go to new italy, if a certain mission tells you to go to a planet in new italy, it'll always be in new italy weather or not you need to go there, if that's what you were asking. As for Sol, there's a lot more than that in Sol. There should be most of the planets accept pluto, uranus, venus, neptune and murcury. All the others, the sun and moon are in. What version of jaws are you using? Maybe the previous versions of jaws have a lot more trouble with the way he has the graphics labeled or something. Jupiter though is right below mars, and right above saturn I believe. Sometimes the graphic ends up on the same line as something else, so it might be right below mars or on the same line as the wormhole to um. Carse I think it is? -- From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 4:35 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets When I go to galaxy, I get all the colony names, at least that is what I think they are. Are these on particular planets? For instance, is New Italy tied to one planet, so if I go there I could go to that particular planet? The only objects I see for the Sol system are sol, saturn, earth and the moon. What should I be looking for here so I might get to jupiter or any other planet? thanks, che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets
ah che, i see the problem. he galaxy thing is just a map of all the systems, you can't travel with it. to travel to another system you need to use the worm holes in the system your in (provided you have a ship with jump engines of course). for all the missions you get at the start of the game, all the destinations you need should be on the main travel screen. hth, dark. - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 planets When I go to galaxy, I get all the colony names, at least that is what I think they are. Are these on particular planets? For instance, is New Italy tied to one planet, so if I go there I could go to that particular planet? The only objects I see for the Sol system are sol, saturn, earth and the moon. What should I be looking for here so I might get to jupiter or any other planet? thanks, che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Oh, that's really irritating about the paladin, though I feel a fool for just not trying. then again, it's probably more lucrative earning the extra hundred and fifty thousand or so with a shadowcat than with an avenger, sinse the damage is so much increased. I've actually come to the conclusion that the best sskills in the game are those that actually stop you from being hit, so skills like evil taunt and emp strike deffinately have their uses. the one thing that confuses me is why bog standard taunt doesn't seem to be in the skill tree anywhere, and doesn't lead you to anyb more skills. well, its' off to buy a paladin for me! Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hmm, that's an interesting strategy. Me personally, I'm an all or nothing kind of guy, for some reason I go for the super upgrades. And actually you can buy a paladin in about any system that I've seen, I really have no idea what the not available thing is unless there's other ships that don't show up. I know I've seen some ships that aren't on the list, for example the hellcat and the corsair, I think they're federation spacific ships, so maybe the not available thing is those ships and they don't show up because he didn't bother to textualize the ships you couldn't buy. From basically the corvette up though, I pretty much stole my way through the ships rather than buy them. It's a lot easier on the purse if you can find a ship with a fairly weak crew. It can still be tough though. As for focus beam 2, it must be mark, since I don't have either double speed or emp resistance. For some silly reason I went over into the criminal skill tree after I got tractor beam, which I got way too late in the game for my liking by the way, I like your idea better *grin*. So I'm now at rank admiral and can't get any further mercenary skills, which sucks since I'd really like to have emp resistance. Ah well, for another time I suppose. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
Hi che. firstly, did you download the update patch, even in the demo version it's necessary for some screens, such as the choice of faction screen. Just unzip the contents to the smugglers 4 folder. then, when ever you start the game you'll need to activate the compatibility mode found in the game settings in order to get the accessible interface. hth, and I hope you like the game. beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? I downloaded the demo to try this one out, but I can't find the trade icon mentioned in the first step of the tutorial, what am I missing here? And I did use the jaws cursor to look all over the page. Thanks for any help, che - Original Message - From: dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:32 AM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? Hi. I was wondering if anyone had tried the update 1.0H for smugglers 4 which makes the sensor screen and crew combat screen accessible. The sensor screen is great, but I'm having trouble with crew combat, I'm not sure if this is an access issue, or just a me being thick issue, so if anyone else has tried it, please let me know. You can get it here: http://www.nielsbauergames.com/updates.html Oh btw, you'll have to have the full version of the game to play the crew combat, sinse you need to buy a corvet class ship to engage in crew combat. Stil, if you've got the demo version, you might find the sensor screen rather fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hi che. firstly, i'd suggest using the update patch. then, at the moment trading in the game is a bit of a pest, because the trade window covers up half the planets of a system, so to see the prices of goods it's necessary to keep closing the window, clicking a planet at the top or bottom of the screen, then opening the window again. this is what is necessary for the tutorial I'm afraid. i've had a chat with the developer about fixing this, but he hasn't inserted it into the game as yet. to be honest I don't bother with trading, sinse it's so long winded to keep opening and closing windows as is necessary at the moment, i just do missions and pirate other ships, especially good now that the most recent update has made the sensor screen accessible, and I currently have a patan destroyer, about a million dollars, and have stopped several invasions. if you really want to do the tutorial, you can do it by opening the trade window as described, but to be honest right clicking on anything in the game (i assume you can do this with the jaws curser), willgive you information. i think the developer would be very interested in discussing jaws scripting, and I know he's very good about taking suggestions on board. Of course sinse i use Hal i'm afraid i can't give any jaws specific suggestions though. the compatibility mode of the game is a bit of a work in progress at the moment, but I've stil been absolutely addicted to it for the last couple of days, and i'd recommend it to anyone. beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hi tj. As i said to che, if you download the most recent update, 1.0 H, the sensor screenis accessible, making it much easier to pick out good fat trader ships or pirates with high bounties on their heads, this makes getting out of your fighter a lot quicker, even without trading. I think it took me about an hour and a half, combining missions, bounties and piracy. hth. beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? I've had some luck, and can do it. I use hot spot clicker to simulate some of my clicks, however, I've never actually done the tutorial. Also, if you were to have created scripts, I'd help in any way I could! Good game, a pain indeed to click around a lot. That and I'm tired of killing over and over and over and over and over and over to try to get the next ship *grins* Tj - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hi Michael. as i said to che, the trade window does unfortunately obscure several planets, which makes trading a real pest. if locations are vanishing suggest making sure the trde window is closed before going somewhere else. this does make trading a lot slower than in smugglers 3, but I've suggested that nielsbauer include a minimize button, so that you can look over all the planets of the system and the prices of the various goods without the window in the way. Beware the Grue! Dark. beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi Che. The accessible mode is still a work in progress. You should explain your troubles to the developer so he knows what to work on. I think you're having the same problem as I am where locations seem to disappear off the map just when you need to go to them. It certainly isn't as easy as Smugglers3. That's for certain. Still, when the accessible mode is all done, Smugglers4 is definitely going to be a far supperior game. We just have to be patient and vocal about what does and doesn't work for us. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
No temper tantroms I think, i'm already pleased with what niels bauer has done accessibility wise, remember he doesn't have to. as someone has already said, the compatibility mode is a work in progress, and already a lot more of the game is playable than when it first came out. i think when the trade window is fixed, and he's made the fleet combat screen accessible (though havn't quite got to the point where I need that as yet), the game will be one of the all time greats. beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Now that you mean peeps brought it up, I'm having that problem too1 Jerks. We should band together and have a temper tantrum and make the dev fix it! Ok, so, request nicely is what I'm really shooting for. Chea should lead the way! I'll be the cheering man :) Tj - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi Che. The accessible mode is still a work in progress. You should explain your troubles to the developer so he knows what to work on. I think you're having the same problem as I am where locations seem to disappear off the map just when you need to go to them. It certainly isn't as easy as Smugglers3. That's for certain. Still, when the accessible mode is all done, Smugglers4 is definitely going to be a far supperior game. We just have to be patient and vocal about what does and doesn't work for us. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Have to say I'm a bit confused. I don't have the problems with having to click around a lot and such. The tutorial is kind of a pain I admit. I've never made it through the tutorial, don't think its very accessible. But the developer is constantly working on the compatibility mode. Maybe he'd be willing to fix up the tutorial so the icons would show up? Odds are they're highlighted oddly when the tutorial wants you to look for it, so it doesn't read as the text icon but instead as the graphic. Personally I think the game is pretty awesome. Especially when you get up into the later missions, get yourself a battleship and can participate in fleet combat, crew combat and ground raids. Yeah you have to use the jaws cursor quite a bit, but that's sort of what the jaws cursor was made for. *shrug* Are you guys all running the latest version? In the version I have almost everything is accessible. There's a little guesswork, for example when you're required to go somewhere for a mission the textualized icon changes to a graphic because it gets highlighted differently, and fleet combat isn't very accessible yet, but I'm sure in the next update both issues will be either fixed or have work started on them. I reported both this morning. Hope you all start having better luck with the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
hi shadow dragon. apparently fleet combat is next on the list, but sinse I haven't got a battleship yet, I'm not sure how accessible or not it is at the moment. my only problem with clicking around is that you have to muck about a bit to see all the trade prices for goods in the system, that's the main reason I think the tutorial is problematic. i actually did complete it, by altering the position of the trade window so that hal's vf would read the information on the planets at the top or bottom of the screen which were obscured by it, though as i said, i think niels is going to fix this. the tutorial marker itself didn't show up, but just look for the planet with the lowest price good of whatever good your told to buy and it'll be that one. for the mission in the tutorial, just read the text for the appropriate location. Even though the crew hyering is perfectly easy by counting down the columns, Niels is going to lable that screen as well so as to make things even easier. personally as I said, I absolutely love the game. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Have to say I'm a bit confused. I don't have the problems with having to click around a lot and such. The tutorial is kind of a pain I admit. I've never made it through the tutorial, don't think its very accessible. But the developer is constantly working on the compatibility mode. Maybe he'd be willing to fix up the tutorial so the icons would show up? Odds are they're highlighted oddly when the tutorial wants you to look for it, so it doesn't read as the text icon but instead as the graphic. Personally I think the game is pretty awesome. Especially when you get up into the later missions, get yourself a battleship and can participate in fleet combat, crew combat and ground raids. Yeah you have to use the jaws cursor quite a bit, but that's sort of what the jaws cursor was made for. *shrug* Are you guys all running the latest version? In the version I have almost everything is accessible. There's a little guesswork, for example when you're required to go somewhere for a mission the textualized icon changes to a graphic because it gets highlighted differently, and fleet combat isn't very accessible yet, but I'm sure in the next update both issues will be either fixed or have work started on them. I reported both this morning. Hope you all start having better luck with the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hi ShadowDragon, I did download and unzip the patch to the smugglers 4 directory, so I think I am up to date. Could you walk through a short sequence, for example attacking a ship so I know if mine is running properly with the new patch? any other sequence would work fine as well I think. also, have you created any jaws scripts for this, or know of anyone that has? thanks, che - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Have to say I'm a bit confused. I don't have the problems with having to click around a lot and such. The tutorial is kind of a pain I admit. I've never made it through the tutorial, don't think its very accessible. But the developer is constantly working on the compatibility mode. Maybe he'd be willing to fix up the tutorial so the icons would show up? Odds are they're highlighted oddly when the tutorial wants you to look for it, so it doesn't read as the text icon but instead as the graphic. Personally I think the game is pretty awesome. Especially when you get up into the later missions, get yourself a battleship and can participate in fleet combat, crew combat and ground raids. Yeah you have to use the jaws cursor quite a bit, but that's sort of what the jaws cursor was made for. *shrug* Are you guys all running the latest version? In the version I have almost everything is accessible. There's a little guesswork, for example when you're required to go somewhere for a mission the textualized icon changes to a graphic because it gets highlighted differently, and fleet combat isn't very accessible yet, but I'm sure in the next update both issues will be either fixed or have work started on them. I reported both this morning. Hope you all start having better luck with the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Ok, I am working on some basic jaws scripts for this thing, but somehow I got into the scanning mode and the only options I have are attack and communicate back, how does one get out of this mode? thanks, che - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi ShadowDragon, I did download and unzip the patch to the smugglers 4 directory, so I think I am up to date. Could you walk through a short sequence, for example attacking a ship so I know if mine is running properly with the new patch? any other sequence would work fine as well I think. also, have you created any jaws scripts for this, or know of anyone that has? thanks, che - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Have to say I'm a bit confused. I don't have the problems with having to click around a lot and such. The tutorial is kind of a pain I admit. I've never made it through the tutorial, don't think its very accessible. But the developer is constantly working on the compatibility mode. Maybe he'd be willing to fix up the tutorial so the icons would show up? Odds are they're highlighted oddly when the tutorial wants you to look for it, so it doesn't read as the text icon but instead as the graphic. Personally I think the game is pretty awesome. Especially when you get up into the later missions, get yourself a battleship and can participate in fleet combat, crew combat and ground raids. Yeah you have to use the jaws cursor quite a bit, but that's sort of what the jaws cursor was made for. *shrug* Are you guys all running the latest version? In the version I have almost everything is accessible. There's a little guesswork, for example when you're required to go somewhere for a mission the textualized icon changes to a graphic because it gets highlighted differently, and fleet combat isn't very accessible yet, but I'm sure in the next update both issues will be either fixed or have work started on them. I reported both this morning. Hope you all start having better luck with the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
click back, that's what I do :p - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Ok, I am working on some basic jaws scripts for this thing, but somehow I got into the scanning mode and the only options I have are attack and communicate back, how does one get out of this mode? thanks, che - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi ShadowDragon, I did download and unzip the patch to the smugglers 4 directory, so I think I am up to date. Could you walk through a short sequence, for example attacking a ship so I know if mine is running properly with the new patch? any other sequence would work fine as well I think. also, have you created any jaws scripts for this, or know of anyone that has? thanks, che - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Have to say I'm a bit confused. I don't have the problems with having to click around a lot and such. The tutorial is kind of a pain I admit. I've never made it through the tutorial, don't think its very accessible. But the developer is constantly working on the compatibility mode. Maybe he'd be willing to fix up the tutorial so the icons would show up? Odds are they're highlighted oddly when the tutorial wants you to look for it, so it doesn't read as the text icon but instead as the graphic. Personally I think the game is pretty awesome. Especially when you get up into the later missions, get yourself a battleship and can participate in fleet combat, crew combat and ground raids. Yeah you have to use the jaws cursor quite a bit, but that's sort of what the jaws cursor was made for. *shrug* Are you guys all running the latest version? In the version I have almost everything is accessible. There's a little guesswork, for example when you're required to go somewhere for a mission the textualized icon changes to a graphic because it gets highlighted differently, and fleet combat isn't very accessible yet, but I'm sure in the next update both issues will be either fixed or have work started on them. I reported both this morning. Hope you all start having better luck with the game. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
You have to turn on compatibility mode in the options menu to get anything to show up in smugglers4. -- From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:35 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? I downloaded the demo to try this one out, but I can't find the trade icon mentioned in the first step of the tutorial, what am I missing here? And I did use the jaws cursor to look all over the page. Thanks for any help, che - Original Message - From: dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:32 AM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? Hi. I was wondering if anyone had tried the update 1.0H for smugglers 4 which makes the sensor screen and crew combat screen accessible. The sensor screen is great, but I'm having trouble with crew combat, I'm not sure if this is an access issue, or just a me being thick issue, so if anyone else has tried it, please let me know. You can get it here: http://www.nielsbauergames.com/updates.html Oh btw, you'll have to have the full version of the game to play the crew combat, sinse you need to buy a corvet class ship to engage in crew combat. Stil, if you've got the demo version, you might find the sensor screen rather fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
I downloaded the demo to try this one out, but I can't find the trade icon mentioned in the first step of the tutorial, what am I missing here? And I did use the jaws cursor to look all over the page. Thanks for any help, che - Original Message - From: dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:32 AM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? Hi. I was wondering if anyone had tried the update 1.0H for smugglers 4 which makes the sensor screen and crew combat screen accessible. The sensor screen is great, but I'm having trouble with crew combat, I'm not sure if this is an access issue, or just a me being thick issue, so if anyone else has tried it, please let me know. You can get it here: http://www.nielsbauergames.com/updates.html Oh btw, you'll have to have the full version of the game to play the crew combat, sinse you need to buy a corvet class ship to engage in crew combat. Stil, if you've got the demo version, you might find the sensor screen rather fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
I've had some luck, and can do it. I use hot spot clicker to simulate some of my clicks, however, I've never actually done the tutorial. Also, if you were to have created scripts, I'd help in any way I could! Good game, a pain indeed to click around a lot. That and I'm tired of killing over and over and over and over and over and over to try to get the next ship *grins* Tj - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Che: I am not sure if you got answered yet. You have to make sure you download all the updates. The updates make it very accessible. Please advise. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Che Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Che: Although off topic or off subject is Madden 09 for the WII accessible? I have a wii and want to play it. How accessible is it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Che Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
Yes that is right. You need to turn accessibility mode on in the options menu. Also as stated make sure you download the updates if any are out there. I am not sure if he builds in the patches as he develops them into the main download. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shadow Dragon Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:15 PM To: Che; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? You have to turn on compatibility mode in the options menu to get anything to show up in smugglers4. -- From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:35 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? I downloaded the demo to try this one out, but I can't find the trade icon mentioned in the first step of the tutorial, what am I missing here? And I did use the jaws cursor to look all over the page. Thanks for any help, che - Original Message - From: dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 5:32 AM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? Hi. I was wondering if anyone had tried the update 1.0H for smugglers 4 which makes the sensor screen and crew combat screen accessible. The sensor screen is great, but I'm having trouble with crew combat, I'm not sure if this is an access issue, or just a me being thick issue, so if anyone else has tried it, please let me know. You can get it here: http://www.nielsbauergames.com/updates.html Oh btw, you'll have to have the full version of the game to play the crew combat, sinse you need to buy a corvet class ship to engage in crew combat. Stil, if you've got the demo version, you might find the sensor screen rather fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
I went through the tutorial fine. I had a little problem at first finding out the buy all button but outside of that I was fine with the game. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tj Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:31 PM To: Che; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? I've had some luck, and can do it. I use hot spot clicker to simulate some of my clicks, however, I've never actually done the tutorial. Also, if you were to have created scripts, I'd help in any way I could! Good game, a pain indeed to click around a lot. That and I'm tired of killing over and over and over and over and over and over to try to get the next ship *grins* Tj - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Hi Che. The accessible mode is still a work in progress. You should explain your troubles to the developer so he knows what to work on. I think you're having the same problem as I am where locations seem to disappear off the map just when you need to go to them. It certainly isn't as easy as Smugglers3. That's for certain. Still, when the accessible mode is all done, Smugglers4 is definitely going to be a far supperior game. We just have to be patient and vocal about what does and doesn't work for us. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable?
Now that you mean peeps brought it up, I'm having that problem too1 Jerks. We should band together and have a temper tantrum and make the dev fix it! Ok, so, request nicely is what I'm really shooting for. Chea should lead the way! I'll be the cheering man :) Tj - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi Che. The accessible mode is still a work in progress. You should explain your troubles to the developer so he knows what to work on. I think you're having the same problem as I am where locations seem to disappear off the map just when you need to go to them. It certainly isn't as easy as Smugglers3. That's for certain. Still, when the accessible mode is all done, Smugglers4 is definitely going to be a far supperior game. We just have to be patient and vocal about what does and doesn't work for us. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power A Life of Word and Sound 2003-2007 http://www.blind-planet.com/content/life-word-and-sound Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: www.michaelfeir.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Che [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Is this really playable? Hi all, I purchased Smugglers 4 this afternoon, as I like to support any mainstream developer that is willing to include features to make their games more accessible. But so far, this is a joke I must say. Either that, or I am seriously missing something here. I understand this game wasn't designed with the blind in mind, so I figured I'd have to use the jaws cursor a good bit, I have no problem with that, but I haven't even done the first part of the tutorial and I am showing signs of carpel tunnel syndrome here. When the tutorial says the planet you need to go to has been marked for you for example, I arrow all over the place trying to find said planet to no avail, so here I am stuck with no planet to go. You folks that are playing this game, is this thing actually fairly smooth to play with a screenreader, or should I just go back to playing Madden 09 on my Wii and forget about it if I am not willing to arrow around dozens of times to get one thing done? I had thoughts of creating scripts for this if it turned out to be playable, but right now I don't see that as a possibility. Someone please tell me I am missing something here, because the game sounds really cool. and yes, I have turned on compatibility mode, (thanks ShadowDragon), and I have looked at the relevant parts of the manual, even though it is in the dreaded .pdf format. Signing out from near Alpha Centauri. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
Hi, is this an accessible game, or does this list talk about ordinary games too? Just curious due to this thread. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Klango: chrishallsworth - Original Message - From: dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat? Hi. I was wondering if anyone had tried the update 1.0H for smugglers 4 which makes the sensor screen and crew combat screen accessible. The sensor screen is great, but I'm having trouble with crew combat, I'm not sure if this is an access issue, or just a me being thick issue, so if anyone else has tried it, please let me know. You can get it here: http://www.nielsbauergames.com/updates.html Oh btw, you'll have to have the full version of the game to play the crew combat, sinse you need to buy a corvet class ship to engage in crew combat. Stil, if you've got the demo version, you might find the sensor screen rather fun. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
Hi Chris, Officially the lists charter is for games that are accessible through accident or by design. So if you find a mainstream game that wasn't made for the blind but is fully or mostly acccessible it is on topic here. If you find a game made especially for the blind that is fully accesible then so much the better. This goes for software games as well as ordenary board, card, and puzzle games that are accessible. Chris Hallsworth wrote: Hi, is this an accessible game, or does this list talk about ordinary games too? Just curious due to this thread. Thanks! -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: chrishallsworth7266 Klango: chrishallsworth --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 crew combat?
Hi chris. A few months ago someone found an indipendent game which happened to be accessible to screen readers, that was smugglers 3. it's a scifi trading and batle game where you have a ship, and fly around the galaxy trading goods and fighting in a war, all in all it's great! the developer has been very nice about access, and now the sequal smugglers 4 is out, he's been including accessibility changes in the game as he brings out new versions, though at this stage almost all of smugglers 4 is accessible. I'd deffinately recommend both smugglers games if you fancy something incredibly absorbing. their both commercial games, but they both have demos. you can get them at http://www.nielsbauergames.com/index.html hth. to everyone else, i actually worked out the crew combat screen, it was just a table that was slightly confusing me at first, and once I got my head around the layout it was fine, i stil keep getting slaughtered in crew combat though, which is irritating! Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] SMUGGLERS 4
This has to had to been ae been a old upgrade for it still is unuseable -Original Message-This is a old upgrade the main screen still does not work Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:13 PM To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: [Audyssey] SMUGGLERS 4 Hi all: Let everyone know that a patch just came out for smugglers 4.0. Not sure how well it works but will let everyone know after I try it out. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 update
What do you do in this game? And how much does it cost? It sounds really neat, though I stil don't get the objective. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Shadow Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 update Ah, you heard from the developer eh? I noticed in the newest update that he's made it so you can at least click on planet names and system names to travel. Its a start. But you still can't use the main control panel. This guy seems to be very open to accessibility ideas though, so I don't think he'll drag his feet on it. After all, he is running a small business, so he needs every purchase he can get, heheh. - Original Message - From: mike maslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 update Hi list: I just wrote and heard from the developer of smugglers and he said now that he is working on smugglers 4 to make it accessible but now looks like a few weeks before he will get it out. Hopefully that will be true and not turn in to months. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1550 - Release Date: 7/13/2008 5:58 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 update
Ah, you heard from the developer eh? I noticed in the newest update that he's made it so you can at least click on planet names and system names to travel. Its a start. But you still can't use the main control panel. This guy seems to be very open to accessibility ideas though, so I don't think he'll drag his feet on it. After all, he is running a small business, so he needs every purchase he can get, heheh. - Original Message - From: mike maslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 update Hi list: I just wrote and heard from the developer of smugglers and he said now that he is working on smugglers 4 to make it accessible but now looks like a few weeks before he will get it out. Hopefully that will be true and not turn in to months. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4
Not yet as far as I know. Hopefully soon though. - Original Message - From: Michael Maslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Hi all has smugglers 4 been released which is accessible yet? If so what is the link? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Maslo Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] achaea? Hey I would be interested also if I can get help learning the game. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Hopkins II Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] achaea? Hello. Achea has a bit of a learning curve, but it can be fun. There are houses you can join along with cities. The combat system is a bit different, if you want to create a character, let me know. I'd go by ardgon on there, would need to create that character. [Original Message] From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: 7/8/2008 2:57:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] achaea? jaliya skye wrote: Hi there: Does anyone play Achaea? My best friend is an achaea addict, and I'm wondering who else plays there as I'm looking for people to hang out with. Well, I'm looking to create a character on there but I hate not knowing anyone going in. and it might be fun to work out an rp history before I log on so that I have in-character ties to someone. Not to mention that I'm curious as to how you deal with the prompts and the like. You can either write me off list or reply here, maybe we can get together in game. anyhow, take care. Warmly, Jaliya --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jaliya, I am currently a monk of the House Ashura in the city of Ashtan. I am level 25 and my characters name is Ilanthas. This mud does rely alot on triggers and the like. There is a very good player base and they have two dedicated newbie guides who are very helpful. They have lots of good quests and areas that are designed for those under the level of 21. There is also a clan for those of us who are blind. it is called Clan TBRP. As far as the prompts go you can have it on or off. If you have it on you can decide what you want displayed. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are other blind players on there beside me but I am not sure who all they are because I am still a relative newbie. Any questions dont hesitate to ask. I will try and answer them as best I can. Sincerely, Greg --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the
Re: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4
I don't think the accessible version was released yet. - Original Message - From: Michael Maslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Smugglers 4 Hi all has smugglers 4 been released which is accessible yet? If so what is the link? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Maslo Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 7:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] achaea? Hey I would be interested also if I can get help learning the game. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ronald Hopkins II Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 5:41 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] achaea? Hello. Achea has a bit of a learning curve, but it can be fun. There are houses you can join along with cities. The combat system is a bit different, if you want to create a character, let me know. I'd go by ardgon on there, would need to create that character. [Original Message] From: Greg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: 7/8/2008 2:57:06 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] achaea? jaliya skye wrote: Hi there: Does anyone play Achaea? My best friend is an achaea addict, and I'm wondering who else plays there as I'm looking for people to hang out with. Well, I'm looking to create a character on there but I hate not knowing anyone going in. and it might be fun to work out an rp history before I log on so that I have in-character ties to someone. Not to mention that I'm curious as to how you deal with the prompts and the like. You can either write me off list or reply here, maybe we can get together in game. anyhow, take care. Warmly, Jaliya --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jaliya, I am currently a monk of the House Ashura in the city of Ashtan. I am level 25 and my characters name is Ilanthas. This mud does rely alot on triggers and the like. There is a very good player base and they have two dedicated newbie guides who are very helpful. They have lots of good quests and areas that are designed for those under the level of 21. There is also a clan for those of us who are blind. it is called Clan TBRP. As far as the prompts go you can have it on or off. If you have it on you can decide what you want displayed. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are other blind players on there beside me but I am not sure who all they are because I am still a relative newbie. Any questions dont hesitate to ask. I will try and answer them as best I can. Sincerely, Greg --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding
Re: [Audyssey] smugglers 4
Yeah, I was going to announce this, but I decided to wait till it was accessible. I emailed the author and he said he should be able to make it more accessible by the end of this weekend, he apparently didn't have time before the full release. Can't wait personally, the last smugglers was pretty good, and this one's supposed to put it to shame. - Original Message - From: Michael Feir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] smugglers 4 Hello everyone. Smugglers 4 has just been released. Sadly, it seems to be unplayable for blind people at this stage. However, the author is quite eager to make it accessible to blind people. He says it should end up being as accessible or even more accessible than Smugglers 3. Anybody with an interest in this game should try the demo. Any suggestions as to how to make things more accessible should be sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lets give this guy a hand and we'll have a terrific new space strategy game on our hands. The initial screen worked alright. However, the main screen where you travel and the like seems to be completely unworkable to me. I use Jaws version 9. The combat screen looks equally unworkable at this point. You can get the game at: www.nielsbauergames.com Best of luck, everyone. Michael Feir Author of Personal Power: How Accessible Computers Can Enhance Personal Life For Blind People 2006-2008 www.blind-planet.com/content/personal-power Creator and former editor of Audyssey Magazine 1996-2004 Check out my blog at: http://www.blindspots.net/blog.php?user=13 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
