[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
I'm embroiled in a nasty debate over this on Facebook, and it's getting more frustrating all the time. I'm defending Spikes against a USC(west) fan, a Tennessee fan, a couple of Georgia fans, and even a so-called Florida fan who says she is embarrassed by his actions. That question (why hasn't UGA reprimanded any of their players?) even came up there. I'm getting so mad about the one-sidedness (is that a word?) of this subject, I can't hardly keep my cool. Randy - Original Message - From: ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his hand inside a Georgia helmet during the third quarter of the Florida-Georga game at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium Saturday Oct. 31, 2009. By Jeff Barlis Gainesville SUN Staff writer Published: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Last Modified: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was suspended for gouging the eye of Georgia tailback Waushaun Ealey on Saturday in Jacksonville. Coach Urban Meyer on Monday announced the suspension, for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. I don't condone (what Spikes did), Meyer said at his weekly news conference. There's no place on the field for that. We're going to suspend him for the first half of the Vanderbilt game. That's not him. But we love Brandon Spikes and the team is going to support him. It's hard. I just spoke with him not too long ago. We're Florida and we expect certain things. ... I did speak to the (SEC) commissioner. I wanted to move on and then I saw it and said, 'That's not right.' The video evidence shows Spikes gouges the eye of Ealey. The incident can be seen here on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISxU8Crulw --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! ...but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his hand inside a Georgia helmet during the third quarter of the Florida-Georga game at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium Saturday Oct. 31, 2009. By Jeff Barlis Gainesville SUN Staff writer Published: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Last Modified: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was suspended for gouging the eye of Georgia tailback Waushaun Ealey on Saturday in Jacksonville. Coach Urban Meyer on Monday announced the suspension, for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. I don't condone (what Spikes did), Meyer said at his weekly news conference. There's no place on the field for that. We're going to suspend him for the first half of the Vanderbilt game. That's not him. But we love Brandon Spikes and the team is going to support him. It's hard. I just spoke with him not too long ago. We're Florida and we expect certain things. ... I did speak to the (SEC) commissioner. I wanted to move on and then I saw it and said, 'That's not right.' The video evidence shows Spikes gouges the eye of Ealey. The incident can be seen here on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISxU8Crulw --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
I know the Vols fans here are like shark in bloody waters! I have tried to keep a I don't care what you think attitude, but deep down I want to gouge out their eyes like my hero. Please know that I say this very sarcastically. As I said yesterday, I believe 150% that Spikes was retaliating against things that they did to him all day. He has never done any thing like this in the past and I truly believe he wouldn't unless he was VERY provoked. JMO SHANE GO GATORS! From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 6:49:12 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] I'm embroiled in a nasty debate over this on Facebook, and it's getting more frustrating all the time. I'm defending Spikes against a USC(west) fan, a Tennessee fan, a couple of Georgia fans, and even a so-called Florida fan who says she is embarrassed by his actions. That question (why hasn't UGA reprimanded any of their players?) even came up there. I'm getting so mad about the one-sidedness (is that a word?) of this subject, I can't hardly keep my cool. Randy - Original Message - From: ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his hand inside a Georgia helmet during the third quarter of the Florida-Georga game at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium Saturday Oct. 31, 2009. By Jeff Barlis Gainesville SUN Staff writer Published: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Last Modified: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was suspended for gouging the eye of Georgia tailback Waushaun Ealey on Saturday in Jacksonville. Coach Urban Meyer on Monday announced the suspension, for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. I don't condone (what Spikes did), Meyer said at his weekly news conference. There's no place on the field for that. We're going to suspend him for the first half of the Vanderbilt game. That's not him. But we love Brandon Spikes and the team is going to support him. It's hard. I just spoke with him not too long ago. We're Florida and we expect certain things. ... I did speak to the (SEC) commissioner. I wanted to move on and then I saw it and said, 'That's not right.' The video evidence shows Spikes gouges the
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a halfgamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
I wonder if Meyer suspended Spikes because of either pressure from the conference or public perceptions, or if he really believes it is appropriate. If he did it because of concerns about public perceptions, then what happens to his message about sticking together and not allowing elements outside the program to influence your behavior? The more I think about it, the more PO'd I get. Brandon could be in the NFL, sitting on millions of dollars. He might be thinking who needs this nonsense right now. And still we wait for the Georgia suspensions. We shouldn't hold our breath. Richt, a scUM and F$U product, is probably laughing at what is going on in Gainesville now. Two other points: 1) This is starting to remind me of the 1998 or 2000 F$U game, when F$U deliberately instigated a fight before the game, with the intention of getting certain Gators ejected. It worked, and Tony George was thrown out before the opening kickoff. The dirty play on Georgia's side was too frequent not to have beeen part of their game plan. And that had to be the coaches' intent. It does not happen by accident. Some penalties can be blamed on the lack of discipline. Others were deliberate and too frequent not to have been part of the plan. I'd say they also targeted Spikes and Tebow, based on the eye-poking and the play where a defender flattened Tim away from the ball and long after he had handed off. 2) To those who say two wrongs don't make a right, I'd say I agree, but . . . . If the referees aren't doing their job, what should you do? Continue to be abused? This is not what these guys are trained to do. Would any of us have had a problem with someone taking out Darnell Dockett for deliberately injuring Ernest Graham? I would have applauded it. The players are the ones out there risking themselves. Sometimes you just have to do what is necessary to protect yourself. This whole thing is a damn shame, especially because we get the bad rap, when it was Georgia which instigated the whole thing. I hope this doesn't hurt the team, and I wish there were a way for us to show our support for Spikes, without being divisive. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:49:12 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] I'm embroiled in a nasty debate over this on Facebook, and it's getting more frustrating all the time. I'm defending Spikes against a USC(west) fan, a Tennessee fan, a couple of Georgia fans, and even a so-called Florida fan who says she is embarrassed by his actions. That question (why hasn't UGA reprimanded any of their players?) even came up there. I'm getting so mad about the one-sidedness (is that a word?) of this subject, I can't hardly keep my cool. Randy - Original Message - From: ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked.
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO. SHANE GO GATORS -- From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his hand inside a Georgia helmet during the third quarter of the Florida-Georga game at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium Saturday Oct. 31, 2009. By Jeff Barlis Gainesville SUN Staff writer Published: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Last Modified: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was suspended for gouging the eye of Georgia tailback Waushaun Ealey on Saturday in Jacksonville. Coach Urban Meyer on Monday announced the suspension, for the
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Fran!! You are a MANIAC! Reminds me, though, of the good old college days. I was with this girl and it was sooo good, the police came 3 times! Bah Da Boom. Back atcha. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jfranl Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:07 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Smoking I quit when they went to $.55 a pack; I was on the turnpike and stopped to buy some in a cigarette machine, and that was the last straw. I was paying $.25 a pack at my local Spur station in Winter Haven. Too damn much money, even then. Let's see, 40 years later at two packs a day, that would be almost $50,000, I think. I don't even like to smoke the evil weed anymore, I am afraid that I might like the smoking part too much. I do like the joke, do you smoke after sex?.. I don't know, I never checked bah da boom! (talk about bad punctuation) Keep up the good work, it will get easier. Fran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Eye gouging at the office water cooler! I love college football !!! Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes ahalf gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]From: Shane Ford goufgat...@bellsouth.netDate: Tue, November 03, 2009 9:13 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com I know the Vols fans here are like shark in bloody waters! I have tried to keep a "I don'tcare what you think" attitude, but deep down I want to gouge out their eyes like my hero". Please know that I say this very sarcastically. As I said yesterday, I believe 150% that Spikes was retaliating against things that they did to him all day. He has never done any thing like this in the past and I truly believe he wouldn't unless he was VERY provoked. JMO SHANE GO GATORS! From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.netTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Tue, November 3, 2009 6:49:12 AMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] I'm embroiled in a nasty debate over this on Facebook, and it's getting more frustrating all the time. I'm defending Spikes against a USC(west) fan, a Tennessee fan, a couple of Georgia fans, and even a "so-called" Florida fan who says she is embarrassed by his actions. That question (why hasn't UGA reprimanded any of their players?) even came up there. I'm getting so mad about the one-sidedness (is that a word?) of thissubject, I can't hardly keep my cool. Randy - Original Message - From: ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating.Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players.Go GatorsKen B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: "Darlene Goodfellow" goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: "Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is" bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his hand inside a Georgia helmet during the third quarter of the Florida-Georga game at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium Saturday Oct. 31, 2009. By Jeff BarlisGainesville SUN Staff writer Published: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Last Modified: Monday, November 2, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was suspended for gouging the eye of Georgia tailback Waushaun Ealey on Saturday in Jacksonville. Coach Urban Meyer on Monday announced the suspension, for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. "I don't condone (what Spikes did)," Meyer said at his weekly news conference. "There's no place on the field for that. We're going to suspend him for the first half of the Vanderbilt game. That's not him. But we love Brandon Spikes and the team is going to support him. "It's hard. I just spoke with him not too long ago. We're
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a halfgamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Someone in my office was just now giving me a hard time about Spikes. When I asked if he had seen the entire game, he admitted he had not. He shut up and left quickly. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:28:47 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO. SHANE GO GATORS -- From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his hand inside a
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I've been tempted to defend him but when dealing with rival fans it's nearly impossible to change anyones mind. I'm hoping it will just blow over but it will be a while. Still looking for guesses on how many times it will be mentioned on the tv broadcast this weekend. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ken...@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:56 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a halfgamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Someone in my office was just now giving me a hard time about Spikes. When I asked if he had seen the entire game, he admitted he had not. He shut up and left quickly. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:28:47 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane mailto:goufgat...@bellsouth.net Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO. SHANE GO GATORS _ From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley mailto:hhsga...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player
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Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was upset about what happened to him. However, I think Spikes and the Gators are very fortunate that the Georgia player (apparently) wasn't injured.. Can you imagine the outrage if the situation were reversed and that was a Georgia player trying to poke Tebow in the eye--and Tebow was actually injured as a result? On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com wrote: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge Brian W. Kratzer/The Gainesville Sun Buy photo Brandon Spikes digs his
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Vegas has the over/under at 150. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:11 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a halfgamefor eye gouge [Barlis] I've been tempted to defend him but when dealing with rival fans it's nearly impossible to change anyones mind. I'm hoping it will just blow over but it will be a while. Still looking for guesses on how many times it will be mentioned on the tv broadcast this weekend. Charlie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Gosh-Whatever you say. I aint had no grammar in a long time. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford mailto:goufgat...@bellsouth.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry(r) smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley mailto:hhsga...@gmail.com
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I always wanted my very own editor! ;-) - Original Message - From: Arthur Polhill To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half
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Does anyone know of or have a photo of Brandon with his eye patch torn off, or getting the saline squirt after he was poked in the eye? By the way, isn't there a distinction between being poked in the eye and getting one gouged? I'd think the gouge would get behind the eyeball to physically pull it out of the skull, and a poke would be a poke. I'll have to check my medieval torture manuals. From what I've seen, it looked like a poke, not a gouge. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Darlene Goodfellow wrote: The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Just keep writing. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:26:51 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] I always wanted my very own editor! ;-) - Original Message - From: Arthur Polhill To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatort...@googlegroups..com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatort...@googlegroups..com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
No volunteers?A. Leon Polhill, GatorFriends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.comTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:27:06 AMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Gosh—Whatever you say. I aint had no grammar in a long time. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur PolhillSent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:25 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minorpunctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. Asedited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, GatorFriends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.netTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a "lighter" sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS From: "ken...@earthlink.net" ken...@earthlink.netTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PMSubject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]This is infuriating.Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team.. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players.Go GatorsKen B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: "Darlene Goodfellow" goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: "Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is" bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:55 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Lots of dirty things go on in those piles, and Spikes obviously was
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Shane Ford wrote: Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... As the great sage Kenneth Rogers once wrote: Twenty years of crawlin was bottled up inside him. He wasn't holdin nothin back; he let 'em have it all. When Tommy left the barroom not a Gatlin boy was standin. He said, this ones for Becky, as he watched the last one fall. And I heard him say, I promised you, dad, not to do the things you've done. I'll walk away from trouble when I can. Now please dont think I'm weak, I didn't turn the other cheek, papa, I sure hope you understand: Sometimes you gotta fight when youre a man. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis]
I believe Brandon thought his glasses needed cleaning and was just trying to be helpful. It was very unfortunate that he wasn't wearing glasses though. Seriously, this is being blown way out of proportion by egomaniacal sportswriters. They had to have something to talk about this week, I mean afterall, no one was eating a hotdog on the sidelines. This game was dirty from the word go, there were punches, late hits, spitting, gouging, etc. This one got caught on video, the others didn't. If it was really as bad as it looked, I can assure you Georgia would have paraded Ealey out in front of the media to show his 'gouged' eye. I do agree with Ken that Georgia should step up and suspend their player who intentionally took a cheap shot at Tebow. To me that one was worse, Tebow was out of the play, the play was winding down and the pup comes and cheap shots Tebow. Talk about inviting injuries, if you don't call that, then don't complain about anything else in the game. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:30 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Does anyone know of or have a photo of Brandon with his eye patch torn off, or getting the saline squirt after he was poked in the eye? By the way, isn't there a distinction between being poked in the eye and getting one gouged? I'd think the gouge would get behind the eyeball to physically pull it out of the skull, and a poke would be a poke. I'll have to check my medieval torture manuals. From what I've seen, it looked like a poke, not a gouge. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Darlene Goodfellow wrote: The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis]
You shouldn't have to go that far back in history. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:30:00 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Does anyone know of or have a photo of Brandon with his eye patch torn off, or getting the saline squirt after he was poked in the eye? By the way, isn't there a distinction between being poked in the eye and getting one gouged? I'd think the gouge would get behind the eyeball to physically pull it out of the skull, and a poke would be a poke. I'll have to check my medieval torture manuals. From what I've seen, it looked like a poke, not a gouge. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, Darlene Goodfellow wrote: The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Leon, I agree that this is a fabulously written sentence. I disagree with your punctuation editing, however. The way Darlene wrote it was perfectly proper, including her punctuation. Cee - Original Message - From: Arthur Polhill To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's actions weren't provoked. - Original Message - From: Helen Huntley To:
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
That's why I got an 800 on the SAT---the math portion anyway. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:55 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Leon, I agree that this is a fabulously written sentence. I disagree with your punctuation editing, however. The way Darlene wrote it was perfectly proper, including her punctuation. Cee - Original Message - From: Arthur Polhill mailto:lpolh...@bellsouth.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
I agree: either way. However, I prefer separating complete thoughts when they are both lengthy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Cecilia gator...@bellsouth.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:54:39 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Leon, I agree that this is a fabulously written sentence. I disagree with your punctuation editing, however. The way Darlene wrote it was perfectly proper, including her punctuation. Cee - Original Message - From: Arthur Polhill To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane Ford To: gatort...@googlegroups..com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or the rest of the team) should never have had to put up with this much abuse before taking matters into his own hands. Again, I'm not condoning the behavior and I'm satisfied with the way the athletic department and Spikes have responded but it's ridiculous to think that Brandon's
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
On Nov 2, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Jerry Belloit wrote: There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. Not that that would be a bad thing, but all per game statistics have minimum numbers associated with them. for example, Brantley is not the #1 quarterback in the NCAA for pass efficiency, as he has not appeared in enough games and/or thrown enough passes in the games that he has appeared in. One might quibble a bit as to the minimum #s required, but by and large no one does. I'd have to guess that they are fairly reasonable, and assumed that they would be part of my (or any) proposal as they are already part of the current per game approach. Unfortunately, that would knock out Collingsworth. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. I would guess that career records would require three years of play. That would allow for those who go pro a year early. I suppose that might leave out someone so stellar that he redshirted his first year, played two great years and then went pro (such Bradford, had he gone pro after last year). By and large, anyone good enough to be in the record-breaking mix didn't sit out his freshman year. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim’s record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. A very good point. Durability should count for something. I just can't see how to reconcile durability with the goal of normalizing a 14 game NCAA season with an 11 game season, or a 16 game NFL season with a 10 or 12 game season. If we don not, every all-time record set by legends of the game will be broken by above average players simply because of greater opportunities (e.g. Franco Harris setting the all- time career NFL rushing record). Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? I don't see this as a problem. In the era where there were Freshman teams, no one went pro early, so Wilt and Lew had three years of NCAA ball to meet the three year minimum. Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to “standardize” the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let’s look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men’s basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. Someone did that, and Pete Maravich averaged about 90 points a game at his peak. No one else - not Jordan, not Bernard King, not Dan Thompson, not Wilt - even comes close. I can agree that a rule is a rule, that was the point of my original post. My secondary point was that if someone wanted to ignore a rule is a rule and try to normalize across eras, adding 5 TDs to Herschel for his bowl games is the wrong way to do it, and propose a better methodology. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu]
You guys are really something! My, how'd you do it? Especially since predicting Timmy would break Herschel's record was something akin to predicting the sun would rise some time between 6 and 7. :-) Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 6:59 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu] Next, you'll be claiming copyright infringement. ;-) Congrats, Zeb! We were right! :) Randy - Original Message - From: John Vega mailto:zebu...@gate.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu] Hey, I predicted this two weeks before Randy did! No respect... -Rodney Zeberfield Begin forwarded message: From: John Vega zebu...@gate.net Date: October 17, 2009 3:32:08 PM EDT To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] How Cool Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Would it be for Tebow to tie the SEC TD mark today and break Herschel's record against Georgia? -John Vega Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Gatornet Admin wrote: Ahem! Being able to predict the future is a one of my rarely used talents. ;-) Randy - Original Message - From: Arthur mailto:lpolh...@bellsouth.net Polhill To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu] Ding...ding...ding! We have a winner on aisle 4. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. _ From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 8:29:19 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu] Let me add that I predict Tebow will break the tie with Hershel Walker's record during this game. Randy BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu]
Why do you think we had all of those turnovers in the red zone against mediocre opponents leading up to this game? Urban didn't want TT to break the record too early, so he ordered Tebow to throw interceptions or fumble the ball. That way, when the record was broken right in front of the Dawg fans, it would break their little puppy hearts even more. Once you divined the diabolical scheme, making the prediction was easy. -Zeb On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Oliver Barry wrote: You guys are really something! My, how’d you do it? Especially since predicting Timmy would break Herschel’s record was something akin to predicting the sun would rise some time between 6 and 7. J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Warner Robbins? I remember reading that he drove to Athens to start his freshman year in a brand new car. Wonder how that happened? Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:41 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel)
When I was talking about egomaniacal sportswriters, did I mention self-rightous too? so Dan, what would be the appropriate punishment? Would you punish only those who get caught on video? Would you punish the late hit on Tebow? Ken K MNGator _ From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:39 AM To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel) Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime By http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/expertsarchive;_ylt=AqaoY8xkKZrbb4pxkmcv5LDtx LsF?author=Dan+Wetzel Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports Nov 2, 2:56 pm EST Eye-gouging is considered such a foul, filthy act that it's banned by even our most blatantly combative exercises, including mixed martial arts and pro wrestling. Sheriff Urban Meyer of the Gainesville PD isn't as concerned, apparently. The SEC says it accepts Florida's first-half suspension of defensive captain Brandon Spikes for an eye-gouging incident last week. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvpQeELxIk.P27Xba8OnXwvtxLsF/SIG=11saii0t5/**h ttp%3A/www.youtube.com/user/s144700%23p/a/0/cISxU8Crulw caught on film purposefully jamming his fingers through the facemask of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey on Saturday in an effort to rip at Ealey's eyes. It was about as ugly and unbecoming of a play as there is in football. For the act, Meyer will bench his star linebacker for the first half of the Gators' game against Vanderbilt. Repeat: one half. That penalty isn't a joke, although the man dishing it out is acting like one. There is almost no excuse for Spikes' conduct. None. It was a dirty play and one with serious ramifications. There's a reason violently poking your fingers at someone's eye is a zero tolerance offense. The other guy can go blind. He has no ability to protect himself. Football is an emotional, violent pursuit and acts like this happen more than the camera catches. I don't think that we did anything in that game that they didn't do, quarterback Tim Tebow told reporters. That's the excuse of a child though. The other-guy-does-it-too is never a justifiable defense. It wouldn't even matter if Ealey had provoked him (the two had been jawing prior to the incident). Spikes is the one who got caught. Meyer ought to be man enough to know this, which is why his decision to dole out such a light punishment is more pathetic than Spikes' original sin. UF athletic director Jeremy Foley or SEC commissioner Mike Slive should've stepped in and issued a real suspension. I don't condone that, Meyer told reporters Monday of Spikes' play. Gee, really, you don't condone it? We're going to suspend Brandon for the first half of the Vanderbilt game, Meyer said. I talked to him, that's not who he is. I love Brandon Spikes, the team does. We're going to move on. He has our full support. Florida is begging for an adult to lead them. Meyer isn't it when it comes to player conduct. He may be a heck of a football coach, great recruiter, perhaps even devout family man and charitable person. It doesn't change the fact this was a craven decision. This is a sport, unfortunately, where you don't need to run a program the right way to earn massive fame, fortune and support though. A large proportion of Gator fans wouldn't care if Ealey's eye had been damaged. It's like that with every college team. For too many fans it's just about winning games. They'll pretend Meyer is doing it the right way whether he is or not. They'll justify Spikes' act and the light penalty somehow. Meyer and Foley know that. They know football runs the school and, as such, no one who runs the school will mess with football. So they'll do as they wish and pretend it's no big deal. The fans will cheer anyway. The checks will clear regardless. Spikes may even have another 10-tackle, pick-six afternoon like he did against Georgia. There ought to be more though. Dirty plays are dirty plays. Meyer may be correct that this act isn't who Spikes is. Fine. No one is saying he's a monster. Sitting him for a couple of games isn't disproportionate punishment though. A lesson needs to be taught. A standard should be upheld. Some discipline has to be displayed - both to those inside and outside the program. The University of Florida should care about more than the pursuit of a glass football trophy. This is about winning games by any means necessary, it's about justifying and enabling out-of-control play, it's about brushing off concerns about the safety of opposing players. The timing is interesting that on the same day UF was giving a wrist slap for an eye gouge, Oregon was set to reinstate running back LeGarrette Blount for his sucker punch of a Boise State player and attempted charge at fans back in September. It took less than 24 hours for Oregon to suspend Blount for the entire
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
That's Tennessee! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:32 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] No volunteers? A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. _ From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:27:06 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Gosh-Whatever you say. I aint had no grammar in a long time. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Wow! With very minor punctuation editing, this may be the best written sentence in sports-writing history. As edited: It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game; and, the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. A. Leon Polhill, Gator Friends are the family that we choose for ourselves. _ From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 9:28:47 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] It's being compared to the Oregon situation because people are making snap judgments based on 10 seconds of video instead of the context of the entire game, and the people making these judgments are either fans of rivals who hate anything Gator-related or sports media looking to fuel any imagined controversy. - Original Message - From: Shane mailto:goufgat...@bellsouth.net Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Ken, Who's to say that Coach is not standing up for him? A half game suspension is being seen on all of the blogs and sports sites as being extremely leniant and most people are saying that Coach has lost any respect for not clamping down on this. I've read where people are likening this to the Oregon plyaer who punched that Boise State player and got kicked off the team, and they are saying that Spike should suffer the same. I don't see it! but it's being talked about out there! Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... Some times, there has to be a fall guy. JMO.. SHANE GO GATORS _ From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 10:58:47 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team.. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone with SprintSpeed _ From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as well. Half the team is banged up from extra curricular activity in the pile. The SEC refs did a poor job of managing this game and Brandon (or
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
You got to know when to hold 'em Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away Know when to run You never count your money When you're sittin' at the table There'll be time enough for countin' When the dealin's done. Oh, wait, wrong song! :-) Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:40 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] On Nov 3, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Shane Ford wrote: Don't believe for a second that Coach is not going to lose some national respect over this decision and it may hurt him some in other areas with media types, etc. I believe he did this as a lighter sentence, because Spikes should not have retaliated, but in Football some times you ahve to stand up for you and yours. You know? Like it or not... As the great sage Kenneth Rogers once wrote: Twenty years of crawlin was bottled up inside him. He wasn't holdin nothin back; he let 'em have it all. When Tommy left the barroom not a Gatlin boy was standin. He said, this ones for Becky, as he watched the last one fall. And I heard him say, I promised you, dad, not to do the things you've done. I'll walk away from trouble when I can. Now please dont think I'm weak, I didn't turn the other cheek, papa, I sure hope you understand: Sometimes you gotta fight when youre a man. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel)
I say you start with the uga player who deliberately hit Spikes in the head with his helmet -- after Spikes had lost his helmet. Spikes was actually hurt in that play. Really selective finger-pointing by sanctimonious hypocrites. Mary sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Ken Kirkley k...@kirkley.net wrote: When I was talking about egomaniacal sportswriters, did I mention self-rightous too? so Dan, what would be the appropriate punishment? Would you punish only those who get caught on video? Would you punish the late hit on Tebow? Ken K MNGator From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:39 AM To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime (Wetzel) Florida’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports Nov 2, 2:56 pm EST Eye-gouging is considered such a foul, filthy act that it’s banned b y even our most blatantly combative exercises, including mixed marti al arts and pro wrestling. Sheriff Urban Meyer of the Gainesville PD isn’t as concerned, appare ntly. The SEC says it accepts Florida’s first-half suspension of defensive captain Brandon Spikes for an eye-gouging incident last week. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was caught on film purposefully jamming his fingers through the facemask of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey on Saturday in an effort to rip at Ealey’s eyes. It was about as ugly and unbecoming of a play as there is in football. For the act, Meyer will bench his star linebacker for the first half of the Gators’ game against Vanderbilt. Repeat: one half. That penalty isn’t a joke, although the man dishin g it out is acting like one. There is almost no excuse for Spikes’ conduct. None. It was a dirty play and one with serious ramifications. There’s a reason violently poking your fingers at someone’s eye is a zero tolerance offense. Th e other guy can go blind. He has no ability to protect himself. Football is an emotional, violent pursuit and acts like this happen more than the camera catches. “I don’t think that we did anything in that game that they didn’t do,” quarterback Tim Tebow told reporters. That’s the excuse of a child though. The other-guy-does-it-too is ne ver a justifiable defense. It wouldn’t even matter if Ealey had prov oked him (the two had been jawing prior to the incident). Spikes is the one who got caught. Meyer ought to be man enough to know this, which is why his decision to dole out such a light punishment is more pathetic than Spikes’ or iginal sin. UF athletic director Jeremy Foley or SEC commissioner Mike Slive should’ve stepped in and issued a real suspension. “I don’t condone that,” Meyer told reporters Monday of Spikes’ play. Gee, really, you don’t condone it? “We’re going to suspend Brandon for the first half of the Vanderbilt game,” Meyer said. “I talked to him, that’s not who he is. I love Brandon Spikes, the team does. We’re going to move on. He has our full support.” Florida is begging for an adult to lead them. Meyer isn’t it when it comes to player conduct. He may be a heck of a football coach, grea t recruiter, perhaps even devout family man and charitable person. It doesn’t change the fact this was a craven decision. This is a sport, unfortunately, where you don’t need to run a progra m the right way to earn massive fame, fortune and support though. A large proportion of Gator fans wouldn’t care if Ealey’s eye had been damaged. It’s like that with every college team. For too many fans it’s just about winning games. They’ll pretend Meyer is doing it the right way whether he is or not. They’ll justi fy Spikes’ act and the light penalty somehow. Meyer and Foley know that. They know football runs the school and, as such, no one who runs the school will mess with football. So they ’ll do as they wish and pretend it’s no big deal. The fans will cheer anyway. The checks will clear regardless. Spikes may even have another 10-tackle, pick-six afternoon like he did against Georgia. There ought to be more though. Dirty plays are dirty plays. Meyer may be correct that this act isn’t who Spikes is. Fine. No one is sa ying he’s a monster. Sitting him for a couple of games isn’t disproportionate punishment though. A lesson needs to be taught. A standard should be upheld. Some discipline has to be displayed – both to those inside and outside t he program. The University of Florida should care about more than the pursuit of a glass football trophy. This is about winning games by any means necessary, it’s about justi fying and enabling out-of-control play, it’s about brushing off con cerns about the safety of opposing players. The timing is interesting that on the same day UF
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu]
Ah, another facet of the conspiracy! I'm just happy it's Florida they're trying to help get to Atlanta!! :-) Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:34 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Robbie's Playbook --- Georgia prediction time [Andreu] Why do you think we had all of those turnovers in the red zone against mediocre opponents leading up to this game? Urban didn't want TT to break the record too early, so he ordered Tebow to throw interceptions or fumble the ball. That way, when the record was broken right in front of the Dawg fans, it would break their little puppy hearts even more. Once you divined the diabolical scheme, making the prediction was easy. -Zeb On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Oliver Barry wrote: You guys are really something! My, how'd you do it? Especially since predicting Timmy would break Herschel's record was something akin to predicting the sun would rise some time between 6 and 7. :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
According to Wikipedia, he's from Wrightsville. According to google maps, Wrightsville is 53 miles due East of Warner-Robbins. As some one who's never been to either of those towns, you can take that as gospel. :-) SHANE GO GATORS! From: ken...@earthlink.net ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 10:45:36 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Warner Robbins? I remember reading that he drove to Athens to start his freshman year in a brand new car.. Wonder how that happened? Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed From: Oliver Barry oli...@bobparks.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:41 -0600 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd GallatinTN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups..com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim’s record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to “standardize” the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let’s look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men’s basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals…rats, fouled again! Jerry From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel)
I agree! The sad part is that there's a poll on that page, and 93% of over 200,000 people polled think this sentence was too light. There's a public perception going on out there, that obviously doesn't have all the facts and I'll bet most of them didn't even watch the game. This is what the coach and the SEC is dealing with out there when it comes to this issue. This article and this poll is just an example. I wish that UF's S.I.D. would come out with some video and picture proof of the evil fire hydrant wetters and their indiscretions. SHANE GO GATORS!!! From: Mary Weigly wei...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 11:01:51 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel) I say you start with the uga player who deliberately hit Spikes in the head with his helmet -- after Spikes had lost his helmet. Spikes was actually hurt in that play. Really selective finger-pointing by sanctimonious hypocrites. Mary sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Ken Kirkley k...@kirkley.net wrote: When I was talking about egomaniacal sportswriters, did I mention self-rightous too? so Dan, what would be the appropriate punishment? Would you punish only those who get caught on video? Would you punish the late hit on Tebow? Ken K MNGator From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:39 AM To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime (Wetzel) Florida’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports Nov 2, 2:56 pm EST Eye-gouging is considered such a foul, filthy act that it’s banned by even our most blatantly combative exercises, including mixed martial arts and pro wrestling. Sheriff Urban Meyer of the Gainesville PD isn’t as concerned, apparently. The SEC says it accepts Florida’s first-half suspension of defensive captain Brandon Spikes for an eye-gouging incident last week. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was caught on filmpurposefully jamming his fingers through the facemask of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey on Saturday in an effort to rip at Ealey’s eyes. It was about as ugly and unbecoming of a play as there is in football. For the act, Meyer will bench his star linebacker for the first half of the Gators’ game against Vanderbilt. Repeat: one half. That penalty isn’t a joke, although the man dishing it out is acting like one. There is almost no excuse for Spikes’ conduct. None. It was a dirty play and one with serious ramifications. There’s a reason violently poking your fingers at someone’s eye is a zero tolerance offense. The other guy can go blind. He has no ability to protect himself. Football is an emotional, violent pursuit and acts like this happen more than the camera catches. “I don’t think that we did anything in that game that they didn’t do,” quarterback Tim Tebow told reporters. That’s the excuse of a child though. The other-guy-does-it-too is never a justifiable defense. It wouldn’t even matter if Ealey had provoked him (the two had been jawing prior to the incident). Spikes is the one who got caught. Meyer ought to be man enough to know this, which is why his decision to dole out such a light punishment is more pathetic than Spikes’ original sin. UF athletic director Jeremy Foley or SEC commissioner Mike Slive should’ve stepped in and issued a real suspension. “I don’t condone that,” Meyer told reporters Monday of Spikes’ play. Gee, really, you don’t condone it? “We’re going to suspend Brandon for the first half of the Vanderbilt game,” Meyer said. “I talked to him, that’s not who he is. I love Brandon Spikes, the team does. We’re going to move on. He has our full support.” Florida is begging for an adult to lead them. Meyer isn’t it when it comes to player conduct. He may be a heck of a football coach, great recruiter, perhaps even devout family man and charitable person. It doesn’t change the fact this was a craven decision. This is a sport, unfortunately, where you don’t need to run a program the right way to earn massive fame, fortune and support though. A large proportion of Gator fans wouldn’t care if Ealey’s eye had been damaged. It’s like that with every college team. For too many fans it’s just about winning games. They’ll pretend Meyer is doing it the right way whether he is or not. They’ll justify Spikes’ act and the light penalty somehow. Meyer and Foley know that. They know football runs the school and, as such, no one who runs the school will mess with football. So they’ll do as they wish and pretend it’s no big deal. The fans will cheer anyway. The checks will clear regardless. Spikes may even have another 10-tackle, pick-six afternoon like
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida ’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime (Wetzel)
On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Shane Ford wrote: The University of Florida should care about more than the pursuit of a glass football trophy. This is about winning games by any means necessary, it’s about justifying and enabling out-of-control play, it’s about brushing off concerns about the safety of opposing players. One thing the author misses is that it's not about the pursuit of a glass football trophy. We just played 2+ games without Spikes, winning them both. Our D was nothing short of astounding, even without Spikes. We're playing Vandy this week, for Pete's sake. Spikes could suit up for the other team, and we would still win. Meyer disciplining Spikes for a half instead of the entire game had nothing to do with the desire to win. We could have suspended him until the SEC Championship and I doubt anyone would have noticed. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel)
I'm sure the humpers would rather have the focus on this story instead of yet another sorry a$$ performance against the Gators. Something to distract the gathering packs from thinking they need a new alpha dog. _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel) I agree! The sad part is that there's a poll on that page, and 93% of over 200,000 people polled think this sentence was too light. There's a public perception going on out there, that obviously doesn't have all the facts and I'll bet most of them didn't even watch the game. This is what the coach and the SEC is dealing with out there when it comes to this issue. This article and this poll is just an example. I wish that UF's S.I.D. would come out with some video and picture proof of the evil fire hydrant wetters and their indiscretions. SHANE GO GATORS!!! _ From: Mary Weigly wei...@gmail.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 11:01:51 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel) I say you start with the uga player who deliberately hit Spikes in the head with his helmet -- after Spikes had lost his helmet. Spikes was actually hurt in that play. Really selective finger-pointing by sanctimonious hypocrites. Mary sent from my iPhone On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Ken Kirkley k...@kirkley.net wrote: When I was talking about egomaniacal sportswriters, did I mention self-rightous too? so Dan, what would be the appropriate punishment? Would you punish only those who get caught on video? Would you punish the late hit on Tebow? Ken K MNGator _ From: gatorn...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:39 AM To: mailto:gatorn...@googlegroups.com gatorn...@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime (Wetzel) Florida's punishment of Spikes doesn't fit crime By http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/expertsarchive;_ylt=AqaoY8xkKZrbb4pxkmcv5LDtx LsF?author=Dan+Wetzel Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports Nov 2, 2:56 pm EST Eye-gouging is considered such a foul, filthy act that it's banned by even our most blatantly combative exercises, including mixed martial arts and pro wrestling. Sheriff Urban Meyer of the Gainesville PD isn't as concerned, apparently. The SEC says it accepts Florida's first-half suspension of defensive captain Brandon Spikes for an eye-gouging incident last week. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvpQeELxIk.P27Xba8OnXwvtxLsF/SIG=11saii0t5/**h ttp%3A/www.youtube.com/user/s144700%23p/a/0/cISxU8Crulw caught on film purposefully jamming his fingers through the facemask of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey on Saturday in an effort to rip at Ealey's eyes. It was about as ugly and unbecoming of a play as there is in football. For the act, Meyer will bench his star linebacker for the first half of the Gators' game against Vanderbilt. Repeat: one half. That penalty isn't a joke, although the man dishing it out is acting like one. There is almost no excuse for Spikes' conduct. None. It was a dirty play and one with serious ramifications. There's a reason violently poking your fingers at someone's eye is a zero tolerance offense. The other guy can go blind. He has no ability to protect himself. Football is an emotional, violent pursuit and acts like this happen more than the camera catches. I don't think that we did anything in that game that they didn't do, quarterback Tim Tebow told reporters. That's the excuse of a child though. The other-guy-does-it-too is never a justifiable defense. It wouldn't even matter if Ealey had provoked him (the two had been jawing prior to the incident). Spikes is the one who got caught. Meyer ought to be man enough to know this, which is why his decision to dole out such a light punishment is more pathetic than Spikes' original sin. UF athletic director Jeremy Foley or SEC commissioner Mike Slive should've stepped in and issued a real suspension. I don't condone that, Meyer told reporters Monday of Spikes' play. Gee, really, you don't condone it? We're going to suspend Brandon for the first half of the Vanderbilt game, Meyer said. I talked to him, that's not who he is. I love Brandon Spikes, the team does. We're going to move on. He has our full support. Florida is begging for an adult to lead them. Meyer isn't it when it comes to player conduct. He may be a heck of a football coach, great recruiter, perhaps even devout family man and charitable person. It doesn't change the fact this was a craven decision. This is a sport, unfortunately, where you
[gatortalk] Re: WOW - Mike Leach was right!
LOLOL On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Sean Fletcher s...@theswamp.com wrote: Yeah... where's Spikes when you need him!!! : P -Sean On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:35 PM, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: Sorry - should have warned everyone first that they would want to gouge their eyes out ... Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] WOW - Mike Leach was right! From: ke...@baldwinnc.com Date: Tue, November 03, 2009 5:32 pm To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Mike Leach, the head coach of Texas tech kept going on and on about his players fat girlfriends. He wasn't kidding ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a halfgamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Isn't this why Hockey has something called the enforcer and pithers hit batters intentionally as paybuy when their teammates have been questionably hit. Spikes got caught, so he has to pay some penalty. But this happens in a lot of sports, especially when the officials don't take care of it. Like what was happening to the good guys Saturday. GoGators!!! Mark Quoting ken...@earthlink.net: I wonder if Meyer suspended Spikes because of either pressure from the conference or public perceptions, or if he really believes it is appropriate. If he did it because of concerns about public perceptions, then what happens to his message about sticking together and not allowing elements outside the program to influence your behavior? The more I think about it, the more PO'd I get. Brandon could be in the NFL, sitting on millions of dollars. He might be thinking who needs this nonsense right now. And still we wait for the Georgia suspensions. We shouldn't hold our breath. Richt, a scUM and F$U product, is probably laughing at what is going on in Gainesville now. Two other points: 1) This is starting to remind me of the 1998 or 2000 F$U game, when F$U deliberately instigated a fight before the game, with the intention of getting certain Gators ejected. It worked, and Tony George was thrown out before the opening kickoff. The dirty play on Georgia's side was too frequent not to have beeen part of their game plan. And that had to be the coaches' intent. It does not happen by accident. Some penalties can be blamed on the lack of discipline. Others were deliberate and too frequent not to have been part of the plan. I'd say they also targeted Spikes and Tebow, based on the eye-poking and the play where a defender flattened Tim away from the ball and long after he had handed off. 2) To those who say two wrongs don't make a right, I'd say I agree, but . . . . If the referees aren't doing their job, what should you do? Continue to be abused? This is not what these guys are trained to do. Would any of us have had a problem with someone taking out Darnell Dockett for deliberately injuring Ernest Graham? I would have applauded it. The players are the ones out there risking themselves. Sometimes you just have to do what is necessary to protect yourself. This whole thing is a damn shame, especially because we get the bad rap, when it was Georgia which instigated the whole thing. I hope this doesn't hurt the team, and I wish there were a way for us to show our support for Spikes, without being divisive. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:49:12 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] I'm embroiled in a nasty debate over this on Facebook, and it's getting more frustrating all the time. I'm defending Spikes against a USC(west) fan, a Tennessee fan, a couple of Georgia fans, and even a so-called Florida fan who says she is embarrassed by his actions. That question (why hasn't UGA reprimanded any of their players?) even came up there. I'm getting so mad about the one-sidedness (is that a word?) of this subject, I can't hardly keep my cool. Randy - Original Message - From: ken...@earthlink.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:58 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] This is infuriating. Where are the suspensions on the Georgia side? Until we see something from them, I wouldn't have suspended Spikes. Why is he the only one to be punished, especially since he didn't initiate the dirty play? To hell with this. As I wrote this afternoon, I hope it does not cause any dissension or other problems on the team. If I had been out on that field, I would be asking why my coach isn't standing up for his players. Go Gators Ken B. (NYC Gator) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -- From: Darlene Goodfellow goodfell...@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:29:50 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half game for eye gouge [Barlis] Yeah, but for some perspective, one of the regular posters at the Virtual Swamp works in the athletic department office and here is what she had to say today about, as she called him, The Gouger: Ok, I gotta weigh in. Just saw The Gouger downstairs and HIS eye is bloodshot and puffy. He also lost a chunk of hair and got punched in the face at least twice. Lots of throat punching went on as
[gatortalk] Re: video
You might be able to send it to everyone as an attachment, but if Google blocks it for it's size, send it directly to me and I'll upload it on our web site. Thanks! Randy - Original Message - From: rathwine rathw...@bellsouth.net To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: [gatortalk] video I have a mpg4 video to upload for the Spikes injury that I found. It showed him getting hit without his helmet, and the other player used his helmet to hit spikes on the eye area of his face. Let me know how to upload it here, and I will post it. I recorded it from tv in high def. It is a file of 1.8 mb or so. Thanks, Troy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel
Wrightsville... which is more eastern central. East of Macon. Cee - Original Message - From: Oliver Barry To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:26 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Where was Hershel from? Somewhere in south Georgia I think. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 8:58 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I agree. On top of that Hershel is a class guy. I just wish he would have moved a little further South than heading North to go to college. Jerry From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:43 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Even though I hate the dawgs all the way to the bone I do think Walker was one of the best to have played the game. Charlie -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Belloit Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel Zeb, There is a problem with this as well. Using your concept, Chris Collingsworth was the greatest QB in NCAA history because his average yards per throw was 99 and his completion percentage was 100%. You could have a person who played only one year win the record. Tim has the record because he has stayed longer and played more games. Part of Tim's record is his durability. Perhaps Hershel would have been injured had he payed as many games and then might not have had as many touchdowns. Similarly, what about those who played on the freshmen teams. Should their statistics be added in? Any system will have its problems. If this is the way we keep score now, then that is what we live with. I suppose you could argue that we need to standardize the way we keep the records. The problem with that is that you can not always really do that. For example, let's look at the highest scoring shooting guards in Men's basketball. To be fair to the older players, we would have to find the videos of all of their games, calculate where the 3 point line would have been had they been playing with one, and then recalculate their career points. The problem is that if there would have been a 3 point line, perhaps more people would have tried 3 point goals.rats, fouled again! Jerry -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. BR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [Yahoo! Sports]: Florida ’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime (Wetzel)
I agree. Half game suspension was basically to discipline him and nothing elseI think. On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:03 PM, John Vega zebu...@gate.net wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Shane Ford wrote: The University of Florida should care about more than the pursuit of a glass football trophy. This is about winning games by any means necessary, it’s about justifying and enabling out-of-control play, it’s about brushing off concerns about the safety of opposing players. One thing the author misses is that it's not about the pursuit of a glass football trophy. We just played 2+ games without Spikes, winning them both. Our D was nothing short of astounding, even without Spikes. We're playing Vandy this week, for Pete's sake. Spikes could suit up for the other team, and we would still win. Meyer disciplining Spikes for a half instead of the entire game had nothing to do with the desire to win. We could have suspended him until the SEC Championship and I doubt anyone would have noticed. -Zeb --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: WOW - Mike Leach was right!
Yeah... where's Spikes when you need him!!! : P -Sean On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:35 PM, ke...@baldwinnc.com wrote: Sorry - should have warned everyone first that they would want to gouge their eyes out ... Original Message Subject: [gatortalk] WOW - Mike Leach was right! From: ke...@baldwinnc.com Date: Tue, November 03, 2009 5:32 pm To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Mike Leach, the head coach of Texas tech kept going on and on about his players fat girlfriends. He wasn't kidding ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Great article, Randy. Thanks for putting it all in perspective. Cee - Original Message - From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:00 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Okay, just for a moment everybody take off their orange and blue glasses and relax. First, IMHO, what Spikes did was wrong and before you start with the justification routine, I ain't buying that either. If the shoe were on the other foot we would be screaming bloody murder about the injustice. Oh wait, we did, Darnell Dockett come to mind. Fans of other schools and the media are going to play this up, so remember your Gator hide and nut up. Arguing with these people is a waste of your time. Spikes lost his cool and for that he has to pay a price, a half game suspension. Meyer knows what he is doing, he realizes that it doesn't matter what he does, some folks will find the punishment insufficient, but better to send some message than no message at all. But so you don't think everyone in the country thinks this a big deal here is another article that appeared in today's Tampa Tribune. which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole affair. JAFO Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! By JOE mailto:jhender...@tampatrib.com HENDERSON | The Tampa Tribune Published: November 2, 2009 Updated: 11/03/2009 07:52 am I 'm sure by now you've seen the video clip of Florida Gators http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/florida-gators/ linebacker http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/linebacker/ and defensive captain Brandon Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ poking his fingers inside the helmet of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey during a scrum http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/scrum/ Saturday. It is must-click TV in cyberspace. To the casual observer http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/casual-observer/ it looks like Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ was trying to rip Ealey's eyeballs out of their sockets, which I suppose he probably was. Bad Brandon. Bad, bad Brandon. He shouldn't have done that. His head coach, Urban Meyer, didn't think he should have done that either. You can't go around trying to poke out the eye of another player, even if he is from Georgia. On Monday, Meyer suspended Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. Thus ends Florida's chance to repeat as national champion. I'm just kidding. Back away from the e-mail program. Remove your hand from the send button. Meyer gave a proportional response. It's a two-bit punishment for a two-bit offense, and that's just as it should be. Given the same situation, no coach in America would have been any tougher. I understand not everyone will agree with that. For those who want to take this as the latest evidence that Meyer is soft on crime, though, consider this: If you suspend every player who gouged, pulled, poked or otherwise did things they aren't supposed to during pileups, there would be no games played. We'd all have to spend Saturdays raking leaves. That doesn't make what Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ did right, but it's also the way the game is played. Earlier in the game, Georgia got one of its three personal fouls http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/personal-fouls/ when a player ripped Spikes' helmet off. Meyer said Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ complained that his eye was poked during the exchange, which it probably was. Spikes' biggest mistake was forgetting that when you play for a program like Florida, nothing goes unnoticed on the football http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/football-field/ field and people are always going to talk. Once the chatter started, Meyer had to do something. Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ seems to understand that. I accept responsibility for my actions and I accept the consequences of my actions. I would like to apologize to my team and the coaching staff and Washaun Ealey, he said in a statement. Football is a very physical and emotional game, but there is no excuse for my actions. Old-timers would laugh at the notion of Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ being docked even a half-game for something like this. The stories of biting, punching and gouging at the bottom of a pile are a standard part of football lore and it has been that way since the first guys put on a pair of shoulder pads. I suspect Meyer didn't want to do anything, to tell you the truth, but once the cameras caught Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ in the act he probably didn't have a choice. We understand the game of football, Meyer told reporters in Gainesville. Some of us have played it. Very emotional things
[gatortalk] Re: Fw: [gatornews] [SUN]: The Chalkboa rd --- Florida-Georgia winner to get “Okefenokee Oar” [ Crabbe]
Yes...but it was on the local CBS affiliate channel that had a 1 hour post game show. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cathryn Lasky cla...@cathylasky.comwrote: Did they ever show this thing on TV? I didn't see it while I was at the game. On Oct 29, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Cathryn Lasky wrote: I guess we'll see it on Saturday! On Oct 29, 2009, at 5:35 PM, oli...@bobparks.com wrote: Has anyone seen this oar? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- *From: * Shane Ford go.ufgator...@gmail.com *Date: *Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:28:34 -0500 *To: *gatorn...@googlegroups.com *Subject: *[gatornews] [SUN]: The Chalkboard --- Florida-Geor gia winner to get “Okefenokee Oar” [Crabbe] October 28th, 2009 01:53pm Florida-Georgia winner to get “Okefenokee Oar”http://chalkboard.blogs.gainesville.com/11656/florida-georgia-winner-to-get-okefenokee-oar/ by Nathan Crabbe http://chalkboard.blogs.gainesville.com/author/crabbe/ (Gainesville SUN) The winner of this Saturday’s Florida-Georgia game will get a wooden oar to go along with bragging rights. The University of Florida Student Government announced Wednesday that the “Okefenokee Oar” would be presented to the game’s winner starting this year, in the hopes of establishing an annual tradition. “It’s just a way to increase the friendly competition in the game,” said Eric Conrad, student government spokesman. Presenting such a trophy follows in the tradition of other rivarly gameshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_college_football_rivalry_games. The winner of Michigan-Minnesota gets the Little Brown Jug, the winner of Minnesota-Wisconsin gets Paul Bunyan’s Axe and other teams have also exchanged quirky items in longstanding rivalries. The oar, which will be presented to the student government president of the winning university, is carved from a 1,000-year-old cypress tree cut from the Okefenokee Swamp http://www.fws.gov/okefenokee/, according to student government. The swamp straddles the Florida-Georgia border. The oar is “supposed to symbolize the area that has always been fought over by the states,” Conrad said. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] BREAKING...
THE LATEST NEWS *FSU defensive coordinator to retire*http://link.orlandosentinel.com/r/YIA4B2/5XGCQ/XTH7T8/IEV8U/IYC78F/1G/h Mickey Andrews, whose dominant Florida State defenses were the foundation of the Seminoles' dynasty years in the 1980s and 90s, announced today his retirement effective the end of FSU's season. Go to www.orlandosentinel.comhttp://link.orlandosentinel.com/r/YIA4B2/5XGCQ/XTH7T8/IEV8U/GKOABR/1G/h --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] video
I have a mpg4 video to upload for the Spikes injury that I found. It showed him getting hit without his helmet, and the other player used his helmet to hit spikes on the eye area of his face. Let me know how to upload it here, and I will post it. I recorded it from tv in high def. It is a file of 1.8 mb or so. Thanks, Troy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] WOW - Mike Leach was right!
Mike Leach, the head coach of Texas tech kept going on and on about his players "fat girlfriends". He wasn't kidding ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: video
You need to go to http://www.xvid.org/Downloads.15.0.html And download the codec. I used mpeg 4 because it is much smaller. I also have the mpeg 2 version, but it is over 54 megs. I have the full length in mpeg4 at 15 megs. So many have limits on email sizes, so I can not email the whole video. Troy. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: 2009-11-03 10:31 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: video I can't see it... I can only hear it. :-/ Cee - Original Message - From: Troy Luttrell rathw...@bellsouth.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:25 PM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: video -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: 2009-11-03 7:52 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: video You might be able to send it to everyone as an attachment, but if Google blocks it for it's size, send it directly to me and I'll upload it on our web site. Thanks! Randy - Original Message - From: rathwine rathw...@bellsouth.net To: GatorTalk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:20 PM Subject: [gatortalk] video I have a mpg4 video to upload for the Spikes injury that I found. It showed him getting hit without his helmet, and the other player used his helmet to hit spikes on the eye area of his face. Let me know how to upload it here, and I will post it. I recorded it from tv in high def. It is a file of 1.8 mb or so. Thanks, Troy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Nicely said, Randy. I was waiting to read all of the comments before adding my own opinion (which seems in the minority), but you've expressed it so well that I'll just say 'what he said'. I don't see why any Gator fan needs to justify anything to fans of other teams. Spikes did something wrong and has accepted responsibility for his actions. It happens... end of story. Rob From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:01 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis] Okay, just for a moment everybody take off their orange and blue glasses and relax. First, IMHO, what Spikes did was wrong and before you start with the justification routine, I ain't buying that either. If the shoe were on the other foot we would be screaming bloody murder about the injustice. Oh wait, we did, Darnell Dockett come to mind. Fans of other schools and the media are going to play this up, so remember your Gator hide and nut up. Arguing with these people is a waste of your time. Spikes lost his cool and for that he has to pay a price, a half game suspension. Meyer knows what he is doing, he realizes that it doesn't matter what he does, some folks will find the punishment insufficient, but better to send some message than no message at all. But so you don't think everyone in the country thinks this a big deal here is another article that appeared in today's Tampa Tribune. which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole affair. JAFO Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! By JOE mailto:jhender...@tampatrib.com HENDERSON | The Tampa Tribune Published: November 2, 2009 Updated: 11/03/2009 07:52 am I 'm sure by now you've seen the video clip of Florida Gators http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/florida-gators/ linebacker http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/linebacker/ and defensive captain Brandon Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ poking his fingers inside the helmet of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey during a scrum http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/scrum/ Saturday. It is must-click TV in cyberspace. To the casual observer http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/casual-observer/ it looks like Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ was trying to rip Ealey's eyeballs out of their sockets, which I suppose he probably was. Bad Brandon. Bad, bad Brandon. He shouldn't have done that. His head coach, Urban Meyer, didn't think he should have done that either. You can't go around trying to poke out the eye of another player, even if he is from Georgia. On Monday, Meyer suspended Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. Thus ends Florida's chance to repeat as national champion. I'm just kidding. Back away from the e-mail program. Remove your hand from the send button. Meyer gave a proportional response. It's a two-bit punishment for a two-bit offense, and that's just as it should be. Given the same situation, no coach in America would have been any tougher. I understand not everyone will agree with that. For those who want to take this as the latest evidence that Meyer is soft on crime, though, consider this: If you suspend every player who gouged, pulled, poked or otherwise did things they aren't supposed to during pileups, there would be no games played. We'd all have to spend Saturdays raking leaves. That doesn't make what Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ did right, but it's also the way the game is played. Earlier in the game, Georgia got one of its three personal fouls http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/personal-fouls/ when a player ripped Spikes' helmet off. Meyer said Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ complained that his eye was poked during the exchange, which it probably was. Spikes' biggest mistake was forgetting that when you play for a program like Florida, nothing goes unnoticed on the football http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/football-field/ field and people are always going to talk. Once the chatter started, Meyer had to do something. Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ seems to understand that. I accept responsibility for my actions and I accept the consequences of my actions. I would like to apologize to my team and the coaching staff and Washaun Ealey, he said in a statement. Football is a very physical and emotional game, but there is no excuse for my actions. Old-timers would laugh at the notion of Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ being docked even a half-game for something like this. The stories of biting, punching and gouging at the bottom of a pile are a standard part of football lore and it has been that way since the first guys put on a pair of shoulder pads. I suspect Meyer didn't want to do anything, to tell you the truth, but once
[gatortalk] Re: Smoking
Jay, you are lucky the police did not arrest you. Would it have been a misdemeanor? Anyway, speaking of sex, sex to me is like a misdemeanor, the more I miss, de meaner I get...bah da boom! Back achu, brother. Hey, I think at 50 we should have to go back to Gainesville and spend a couple of years back at school (and know what we know now); not 4 years, I would be dead. I would bet we could really score higher (on tests) than we did when we were in school, back in the day. Fran _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:36 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Re: Smoking Fran!! You are a MANIAC! Reminds me, though, of the good old college days. I was with this girl and it was sooo good, the police came 3 times! Bah Da Boom. Back atcha. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jfranl Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:07 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: [gatortalk] Smoking I quit when they went to $.55 a pack; I was on the turnpike and stopped to buy some in a cigarette machine, and that was the last straw. I was paying $.25 a pack at my local Spur station in Winter Haven. Too damn much money, even then. Let's see, 40 years later at two packs a day, that would be almost $50,000, I think. I don't even like to smoke the evil weed anymore, I am afraid that I might like the smoking part too much. I do like the joke, do you smoke after sex? I don't know, I never checked bah da boom! (talk about bad punctuation) Keep up the good work, it will get easier. Fran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: Gators suspend Spikes a half gamefor eye gouge [Barlis]
Okay, just for a moment everybody take off their orange and blue glasses and relax. First, IMHO, what Spikes did was wrong and before you start with the justification routine, I ain't buying that either. If the shoe were on the other foot we would be screaming bloody murder about the injustice. Oh wait, we did, Darnell Dockett come to mind. Fans of other schools and the media are going to play this up, so remember your Gator hide and nut up. Arguing with these people is a waste of your time. Spikes lost his cool and for that he has to pay a price, a half game suspension. Meyer knows what he is doing, he realizes that it doesn't matter what he does, some folks will find the punishment insufficient, but better to send some message than no message at all. But so you don't think everyone in the country thinks this a big deal here is another article that appeared in today's Tampa Tribune. which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole affair. JAFO Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! By JOE mailto:jhender...@tampatrib.com HENDERSON | The Tampa Tribune Published: November 2, 2009 Updated: 11/03/2009 07:52 am I 'm sure by now you've seen the video clip of Florida Gators http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/florida-gators/ linebacker http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/linebacker/ and defensive captain Brandon Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ poking his fingers inside the helmet of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey during a scrum http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/scrum/ Saturday. It is must-click TV in cyberspace. To the casual observer http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/casual-observer/ it looks like Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ was trying to rip Ealey's eyeballs out of their sockets, which I suppose he probably was. Bad Brandon. Bad, bad Brandon. He shouldn't have done that. His head coach, Urban Meyer, didn't think he should have done that either. You can't go around trying to poke out the eye of another player, even if he is from Georgia. On Monday, Meyer suspended Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ for the first half of Saturday's game against Vanderbilt. Thus ends Florida's chance to repeat as national champion. I'm just kidding. Back away from the e-mail program. Remove your hand from the send button. Meyer gave a proportional response. It's a two-bit punishment for a two-bit offense, and that's just as it should be. Given the same situation, no coach in America would have been any tougher. I understand not everyone will agree with that. For those who want to take this as the latest evidence that Meyer is soft on crime, though, consider this: If you suspend every player who gouged, pulled, poked or otherwise did things they aren't supposed to during pileups, there would be no games played. We'd all have to spend Saturdays raking leaves. That doesn't make what Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ did right, but it's also the way the game is played. Earlier in the game, Georgia got one of its three personal fouls http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/personal-fouls/ when a player ripped Spikes' helmet off. Meyer said Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ complained that his eye was poked during the exchange, which it probably was. Spikes' biggest mistake was forgetting that when you play for a program like Florida, nothing goes unnoticed on the football http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/football-field/ field and people are always going to talk. Once the chatter started, Meyer had to do something. Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ seems to understand that. I accept responsibility for my actions and I accept the consequences of my actions. I would like to apologize to my team and the coaching staff and Washaun Ealey, he said in a statement. Football is a very physical and emotional game, but there is no excuse for my actions. Old-timers would laugh at the notion of Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ being docked even a half-game for something like this. The stories of biting, punching and gouging at the bottom of a pile are a standard part of football lore and it has been that way since the first guys put on a pair of shoulder pads. I suspect Meyer didn't want to do anything, to tell you the truth, but once the cameras caught Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ in the act he probably didn't have a choice. We understand the game of football, Meyer told reporters in Gainesville. Some of us have played it. Very emotional things happened in that game in particular that were not good for either side, but the bottom line is we're Florida and he's Brandon Spikes http://www2.tbo.com/topic/k/spikes/ and we expect certain things. He understands. That's the right perspective. I love rushing to judgment as much as anyone, but I just can't get worked up about this. I certainly can't come close to agreeing with ESPN talking head (and former NFL player) Mike
