[gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations.com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways ... regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a "permanent employee" (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I'veseen tens of millions of "permanent employees" laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers likehiring temp to perm peoplebecause they can "try" employees before they "buy" them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These "researchers" at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way. 1. I don't know where people can get "permanent", private sectorjobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a "permanent" job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a deadendFrom: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.comDate: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 amTo: gatorn...@googlegroups.comUF study: Temp jobs not a dead endSouth Florida Business JournalIn fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired bytemporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are bettereducated than permanent employees.“There has been concern by some advocacy groups that the temporaryhelp industry is creating an entire class of people who are churningthrough temporary-help jobs and can’t escape from that cycle,” saidSarah Hamersma, a UF economist and lead author, in a news release. “Wefind no reason to believe that a large number of temp workers are‘stuck’ in a secondary labor market.”Hamersma and Carolyn Heinrich, a University of Wisconsin publicaffairs professor, studied occupational records, wages and earningsfor 5,877 Wisconsin workers between 1995 and 2004.Of the 3,964 employees who held at least one temporary job, 3,947 helda permanent job at some time in those 10 years, the study found.Further analysis found that, of those who changed jobs over afour-month period, more than three-fourths of those in temporarypositions moved into traditional jobs, while only 23 percent tookanother temporary job.The study also found temporary workers received about 15 percent morepay than those in traditional positions. The study suggests they arepaid more because job conditions are less desirable.“Paying temp workers more is consistent with having to handle theinsecurity and other characteristics that are inferior to a regularjob,” Hamersma said in the news release.One of the biggest drawbacks of temporary work is its short duration,which makes it difficult for employees to build a foundation ofexperience necessary for job security, Hamersma said.More than half of all temporary jobs in the sample – 56 percent –lasted no more than three months, and an additional 25 percent lastedno more than six months, she said.“While I was surprised at how short those jobs were, what was evenmore surprising is that 45 percent of non-temporary jobs lasted lessthan three months,” she said. “Unfortunately, we don’t know why –whether workers quit or were fired, got sick or had child careissues.”-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY!1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996),Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008
RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator
I typed that on my PDA. Sometimes I don’t press a button hard enough to make contact. I have moved to the basement. J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:55 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator I couldn't help but ask…… arrangent = arrangement? People who live in glass houses have to dress in the basement. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:35 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator In a slightly related subject, I attended the visitation at a funeral home for a precious lady friend of ours yesterday and was appalled to see this ribbon attached to the huge and obviously very expensive flower arrangent lying on the casket for the 700+ visitors to see... Cherised Mother Only in Tennessee... Randy Lyons Sent from my Sprint Palm Prē _ Steve McKibben wrote: I realize that I'm probably being pedantic here, but is anyone else annoyed that these kinds of errors get past the writer, his editor, and everyone else that sees this prior to publication? Considering UF's strick policy regarding students who are arrested for DUI, it seems a little odd that Dunlap is being allowed to play. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator
LOL! Thanks! (I think…) Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 8:35 PM To: Gator Talk Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator Randy fits in well here. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ From: Randy Platt pcga...@tampabay.rr.com Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:54:56 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator I couldn't help but ask…… arrangent = arrangement? People who live in glass houses have to dress in the basement. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:35 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator In a slightly related subject, I attended the visitation at a funeral home for a precious lady friend of ours yesterday and was appalled to see this ribbon attached to the huge and obviously very expensive flower arrangent lying on the casket for the 700+ visitors to see... Cherised Mother Only in Tennessee... Randy Lyons Sent from my Sprint Palm Prē _ Steve McKibben wrote: I realize that I'm probably being pedantic here, but is anyone else annoyed that these kinds of errors get past the writer, his editor, and everyone else that sees this prior to publication? Considering UF's strick policy regarding students who are arrested for DUI, it seems a little odd that Dunlap is being allowed to play. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator
Get an iphone. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 8:07:23 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator I typed that on my PDA. Sometimes I don’t press a button hard enough to make contact. I have moved to the basement. J Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Platt Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 5:55 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator I couldn't help but ask…… arrangent = arrangement? People who live in glass houses have to dress in the basement. Randy Platt aka PCGator aka The Armchair Quarterback aka The Other Randy Later Gators! Afterwhile the Rest! From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:35 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator In a slightly related subject, I attended the visitation at a funeral home for a precious lady friend of ours yesterday and was appalled to see this ribbon attached to the huge and obviously very expensive flower arrangent lying on the casket for the 700+ visitors to see... Cherised Mother Only in Tennessee... Randy Lyons Sent from my Sprint Palm Prē Steve McKibben wrote: I realize that I'm probably being pedantic here, but is anyone else annoyed that these kinds of errors get past the writer, his editor, and everyone else that sees this prior to publication? Considering UF's strick policy regarding students who are arrested for DUI, it seems a little odd that Dunlap is being allowed to play. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations.com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways ... regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have.. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These researchers at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way. 1. I don't know where people can get permanent, private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a permanent job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end South Florida Business Journal In fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired by temporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are better educated than permanent employees. “There has been concern by some advocacy groups that the temporary help industry is creating an entire class of people who are churning through temporary-help jobs and can’t escape from that cycle,” said Sarah Hamersma, a UF economist and lead author, in a news release. “We find no reason to believe that a large number of temp workers are ‘stuck’ in a secondary labor market.” Hamersma and Carolyn Heinrich, a University of Wisconsin public affairs professor, studied occupational records, wages and earnings for 5,877 Wisconsin workers between 1995 and 2004. Of the 3,964 employees who held at least one temporary job, 3,947 held a permanent job at some time in those 10 years, the study found. Further analysis found that, of those who changed jobs over a four-month period, more than three-fourths of those in temporary positions moved into traditional jobs, while only 23 percent took another temporary job. The study also found temporary workers received about 15 percent more pay than those in traditional positions. The study suggests they are paid more because job conditions are less desirable. “Paying temp workers more is consistent with having to handle the insecurity and other characteristics that are inferior to a regular job,” Hamersma said in the news release. One of the biggest drawbacks of temporary work is its short duration, which makes it difficult for employees to build a foundation of experience necessary for job security, Hamersma said. More than half of all temporary jobs in the sample – 56 percent – lasted no more than three months, and an additional 25 percent lasted no more than six months, she said. “While I was surprised at how short those jobs were, what was even more surprising is that 45 percent of non-temporary jobs lasted less than three months,” she said. “Unfortunately, we don’t know why –
RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain _ From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These researchers at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way. 1. I don't know where people can get permanent, private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a permanent job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end South Florida Business Journal In fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired by temporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are better educated than permanent employees. There has been concern by some advocacy groups that the temporary help industry is creating an entire class of people who are churning through temporary-help jobs and can't escape from that cycle, said Sarah Hamersma, a UF economist and lead author, in a news release. We find no reason to believe that a large number of temp workers are 'stuck' in a secondary labor market. Hamersma and Carolyn Heinrich, a University of Wisconsin public affairs professor, studied occupational records, wages and earnings for 5,877 Wisconsin workers between 1995 and 2004. Of the 3,964 employees who held at least one temporary job, 3,947 held a permanent job at some time in those 10 years, the study found. Further analysis found that, of those who changed jobs over a four-month period, more than three-fourths of those in temporary positions moved into traditional jobs, while only 23 percent took another temporary job. The study also found temporary workers received about 15 percent more pay than those in traditional positions. The study suggests they are paid more because job conditions are less desirable. Paying temp workers more is consistent with having to handle the insecurity and other characteristics that
Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
Hopefully, you are right. If not, I want Keith to mail me a copy of the syllabus. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:25:14 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways . regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These researchers at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way. 1. I don't know where people can get permanent, private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a permanent job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end South Florida Business Journal In fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired by temporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are better educated than permanent employees. “There has been concern by some advocacy groups that the temporary help industry is creating an entire class of people who are churning through temporary-help jobs and can’t escape from that cycle,” said Sarah Hamersma, a UF economist and lead author, in a news release. “We find no reason to believe that a large number of temp workers are ‘stuck’ in a secondary labor market.” Hamersma and Carolyn Heinrich, a University of Wisconsin public affairs professor, studied occupational records, wages and earnings for 5,877 Wisconsin workers between 1995 and 2004. Of the 3,964 employees who held at least one temporary job, 3,947 held a permanent job at some time in those 10 years, the study found. Further
RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I'm going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It's about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I'll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I'll call you at home tonight, Randy. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These researchers at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way. 1. I don't know where people can get permanent, private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a permanent job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end South Florida Business Journal In fact, a new University of Florida study finds that those hired by temporary agencies actually earn higher hourly wages and are
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Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I'm going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It's about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I'll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I'll call you at home tonight, Randy. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain _ From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These researchers at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way. 1. I don't know where people can get permanent, private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a permanent job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Woody gatorrr...@gmail.com Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:59 am To: gatorn...@googlegroups.com UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end South Florida Business Journal In
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In the offseason - we have had discussions about the bad economy, jobs, etc. I'm just trying to help out my fellow gatortalkers. If you would like for that to continue - then great. If not - then that is fine also. Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study:Temp jobs not a dead endFrom: "Gatornet Admin" gator...@comcast.netDate: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 amTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay CiconeSent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet AdminSent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur PolhillSent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AMTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'mwrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: "ke...@baldwinnc.com" ke...@baldwinnc.comTo: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.comSent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AMSubject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a "permanent employee" (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I'veseen tens of millions of "permanent employees" laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers likehiring temp to perm peoplebecause they can "try" employees before they "buy" them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These "researchers" at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would
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You're right, as usual, Jay. Please send me the syllabus, Keith. I had no idea. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:00:06 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday. How much baggage and drama do they have. Can they get along with coworkers. Can they work independently and part of a team, blah, blah, blah. These researchers at UF should have contacted staffingfirms to get all this information. The problem is - if more people knew how to work as independent contractors, how the taxes, self 401K and other expense deductions worked - I think that more people would prefer working this way.. 1. I don't know where people can get permanent, private sector jobs anymore 2. I no longer believe in a concept of a permanent job. Original Message Subject: [gatornews] BizJournals.com
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I know I have an old picture lying around here somewhere that will make jerking my chain seem like child's play. Do you still have the pink unitard? Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I'm going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It's about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I'll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I'll call you at home tonight, Randy. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is
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I'd like to chat about couponing during recessionary times. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:16:59 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end In the offseason - we have had discussions about the bad economy, jobs, etc. I'm just trying to help out my fellow gatortalkers. If you would like for that to continue - then great. If not - then that is fine also. Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy.. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can
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Brilliant!!! Please share the resort specials as well. I would love to spend a week in a 5 star hotel for $250. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I'd like to chat about couponing during recessionary times. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:16:59 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end In the offseason - we have had discussions about the bad economy, jobs, etc. I'm just trying to help out my fellow gatortalkers. If you would like for that to continue - then great. If not - then that is fine also. Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com mailto:gatort...@googlegroups..com ] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I'm going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It's about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I'll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I'll call you at home tonight, Randy. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My
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I do. Want to see it again? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:22:37 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I know I have an old picture lying around here somewhere that will make jerking my chain seem like child’s play. Do you still have the pink unitard? Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT . I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee (some people think there is such a thing - whereas I've seen tens of millions of permanent employees laid off in the last 10 years) you are suppose to get health care, other benefits, vacation, sick days, and the employer pays half of your medicare and social security taxes. I have been told on jobs around $50 per hour - the differential is about $8 per hour. In other words, a permanent job paying around $50 per hour is equivalent in pay to a contracting job paying around $58 per hour. A lot of employers like hiring temp to perm people because they can try employees before they buy them. See if they can show up for work on time, everyday.. How much
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$250! You're paying FAR too much. Does that come with latte? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:28:22 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Brilliant!!! Please share the resort specials as well. I would love to spend a week in a 5 star hotel for $250.. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups..com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:26 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I'd like to chat about couponing during recessionary times. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:16:59 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end In the offseason - we have had discussions about the bad economy, jobs, etc. I'm just trying to help out my fellow gatortalkers. If you would like for that to continue - then great. If not - then that is fine also. Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel.
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It's a little early to be hitting the sauce, isn't it? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:32 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I do. Want to see it again? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:22:37 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I know I have an old picture lying around here somewhere that will make jerking my chain seem like child's play. Do you still have the pink unitard? Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I'm going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It's about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I'll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I'll call you at home tonight, Randy. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay -
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But, do you do couponing? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:30:57 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I thought it was good information, Keith. While I am fortunate to have been called back to work, there are still a great number of us that are not. I actually considered going the contractor route, but I’m one of those people who prefer the “security” (yes, I realize there is NO job security any longer) of a regular job. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ke...@baldwinnc.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:17 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end In the offseason - we have had discussions about the bad economy, jobs, etc. I'm just trying to help out my fellow gatortalkers. If you would like for that to continue - then great. If not - then that is fine also. Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations...com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick days, and other benefits. As a permanent employee
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Get back to your coupon clipping. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:32:59 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end It’s a little early to be hitting the sauce, isn’t it? From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:32 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I do. Want to see it again? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:22:37 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I know I have an old picture lying around here somewhere that will make jerking my chain seem like child’s play. Do you still have the pink unitard? Original Message Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end From: Gatornet Admin gator...@comcast.net Date: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:09 am To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Consider YOUR leash jerked! J Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:00 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I feel like I need to weigh in on this in a large and cumbersome fashion. Right now, I’m going over my second draft and plan to have my final 500 word response published by 4PM. I look forward to a lengthy discourse featuring Leon, Keith and Randy. Others feel free to jump in as well. This topic needs to be explored fully. No stone shall remain unturned. Fascinating, Captain. Where are your nuclear wessels? Any of you labor law types or expert witnesses should jump in NOW. This not only threatens the fabric of America and all we hold dear, but also prophecies the apocalypse. It’s about to brake the system. I could go on and on, but in fairness, I’ll let others here spout their ridiculous uninformed garbage and then jump in and clean up the mess. Are you with me?? I’ll call you at home tonight, Randy. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gatornet Admin Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:25 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end While that IS a valid test, Leon, I have found after being the Admin for nine years that I need to moderate with a loose leash. I will normally wait a couple of days to see if a thread is going to become long and involved before I jerk the leash. Typically, the post that you referred to below will not even garner any responses and it will die a natural death without Admin intervention. Randy From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Polhill Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:09 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I think the test is: IS THIS GATOR-RELATED? Right Randy One? I don't think folks who register for Gatortalk are interested in becoming a licensed contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From:ke...@baldwinnc.com ke...@baldwinnc.com To: gatortalk googlegroups Gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:39:38 AM Subject: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end I assume that we can discuss this on GatorTalk and not have to move to THFGT I play this temporary contractor game and have a lot of experience with it.. The lines have blurred between hiring consultants and temporary contractors. I've done consulting/contracting for over 20 years now. I guess the difference is whether they listen or not :-) I receive the bulk of my leads by scanning through Craigslist.. My second and third source of leads are VirtualVocations..com and Dice.com My goal is to go 100% virtual and get a place on Lake Santa Fe. I wouldn't be too far from Jacksonville airport when I needed to travel. Wouldn't be too far from Gville for special events. Anyways regarding difference in pay - contractors have to pay ALL their own taxes, health insurance, get no holidays, vacations, sick
RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
Found it!!! Man, Leon, you sure looked different before the surgeries. I think I liked you better as a woman. A woman with an attitude! -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.usimage001.jpg
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Boy, is it the off-season already? One little article from the Sun about temporary workers and we have a full scale riot on Gatortalk! Randy and Jay battle Leon to the death. Leon almost gets kicked off the list for the third time and the fight still rages, all before Stacey is even out of bed on the west coast. And, just where does one find a photo of a girl in a pink leotard? Uh, nevermind, I'm sure I don't want to know! Anyway, yes Keith, we are all really just contract workers anymore. There's no loyalty by employers or employees. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:39:00 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Found it!!! Man, Leon, you sure looked different before the surgeries. I think I liked you better as a woman. A woman with an attitude! -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.usimage001.jpg
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Back in the day, when character mattered in the workplace, loyalty got you somewhere. Now it just creates bondage and abuse. Pretty f'ed up in my book. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
What kind of trees are those? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:39:00 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Found it!!! Man, Leon, you sure looked different before the surgeries. I think I liked you better as a woman. A woman with an attitude! -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.usimage001.jpg
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And, the employer who suggests loyalty the most emphatically it the one who is most willing to stab you in the back whenever it suits their purpose. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:00:03 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Back in the day, when character mattered in the workplace, loyalty got you somewhere. Now it just creates bondage and abuse. Pretty f'ed up in my book. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Leave it to me to cause stir the pot and not even know Im doing it. Sorry Randy. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Go immediately to Coupons.com and CouponMom.com. Did you get your syllabus from Keith, yet? A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: oli...@bobparks.com oli...@bobparks.com To: Gator Talk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Boy, is it the off-season already? One little article from the Sun about temporary workers and we have a full scale riot on Gatortalk! Randy and Jay battle Leon to the death. Leon almost gets kicked off the list for the third time and the fight still rages, all before Stacey is even out of bed on the west coast. And, just where does one find a photo of a girl in a pink leotard? Uh, nevermind, I'm sure I don't want to know! Anyway, yes Keith, we are all really just contract workers anymore. There's no loyalty by employers or employees. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:39:00 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Found it!!! Man, Leon, you sure looked different before the surgeries. I think I liked you better as a woman. A woman with an attitude! -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.usimage001.jpg
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That was pre-somebody who said we were the problem and promised it would trikle on us. BTW, Randy is out shopping for his coupon file-wallet. A.. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 11:00:03 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Back in the day, when character mattered in the workplace, loyalty got you somewhere. Now it just creates bondage and abuse. Pretty f’ed up in my book.-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
Get back to sorting. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: oli...@bobparks.com oli...@bobparks.com To: Gator Talk gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 11:05:23 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end And, the employer who suggests loyalty the most emphatically it the one who is most willing to stab you in the back whenever it suits their purpose. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:00:03 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Back in the day, when character mattered in the workplace, loyalty got you somewhere. Now it just creates bondage and abuse. Pretty f’ed up in my book.-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
Ding, ding, ding. You are exactly right. As kids, you beat these jerks up. As an adult, your choices are limited...find another job that supports your family or go to jail for assault. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end And, the employer who suggests loyalty the most emphatically it the one who is most willing to stab you in the back whenever it suits their purpose. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:00:03 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Back in the day, when character mattered in the workplace, loyalty got you somewhere. Now it just creates bondage and abuse. Pretty f'ed up in my book. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
That's the trikling part, kids. Who told you you were adults, anyway! Harumph. Get back to the coupons. A. Leon Polhill, Gator I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know. - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 11:12:32 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Ding, ding, ding. You are exactly right. As kids, you beat these jerks up. As an adult, your choices are limited…find another job that supports your family or go to jail for assault. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of oli...@bobparks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: Gator Talk Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end And, the employer who suggests loyalty the most emphatically it the one who is most willing to stab you in the back whenever it suits their purpose. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Jay Cicone jay.cic...@raymondjames.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:00:03 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Back in the day, when character mattered in the workplace, loyalty got you somewhere. Now it just creates bondage and abuse. Pretty f’ed up in my book. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end
That's ok, Woody. If UF thought the subject was serious enough to conduct a study of it, we can at least discuss it. We ARE, after all, all things gator. :) Randy -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:08 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] RE: [gatornews] BizJournals.com - UF study: Temp jobs not a dead end Leave it to me to cause stir the pot and not even know Im doing it. Sorry Randy. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] Gatornews from Miami Herald and Pal m Beach Post (none today) courtesy of JunoGator
On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Ken Kirkley wrote: That’s write Randy, you set him strait! I mean what a looser, criticizing grammar…J Grammar got run over by a raindeer, Joakim home from Ourhaüs Christmas Eve Yucatan say theirs no such thing as Santa But four Grandpa and I, we beleive! -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today!
I just wish you'd go ahead and lock us out. I've changed all my pick 'ems three times. This is driving me insane!! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bowers Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:18 AM To: Gator Talk; Gator News Subject: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today! Don't forget to get your Pick 'Em picks in before 7 PM Eastern tonight. http://pickem.g8r.com John -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today!
I have the bowl pick 'em won already. I just picked the same as Underdogs who won the regular season outright. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:20 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today! Importance: Low I just wish you’d go ahead and lock us out. I’ve changed all my pick ‘ems three times. This is driving me insane!! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 -- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bowers Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:18 AM To: Gator Talk; Gator News Subject: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today! Don’t forget to get your Pick ‘Em picks in before 7 PM Eastern tonight… http://pickem.g8r.com John -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today!
Yes, I noticed that. If I'd only picked underdogs all season. As I've said on numerous occasions, this is a dumb game. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hileman Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 1:25 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today! I have the bowl pick 'em won already. I just picked the same as Underdogs who won the regular season outright. -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Oliver Barry Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 2:20 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today! Importance: Low I just wish you'd go ahead and lock us out. I've changed all my pick 'ems three times. This is driving me insane!! Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Bowers Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:18 AM To: Gator Talk; Gator News Subject: [gatortalk] Don't forget Pick 'Em today! Don't forget to get your Pick 'Em picks in before 7 PM Eastern tonight. http://pickem.g8r.com John -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
