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Keith Jackson was always great at reading minds: "Now what he was thinking on the last play was..." Maybe he could help with the investigation. Maybe Doc is right and the parson was just doing good church work. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Woody Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:45:47 To: Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Yep.. thats basically what happened with the Reggie Bush scandal. But some of the so called experts Ive been listening to on the situation think that if Cam had no knowledge.. Cam may be cleared. I think with Reggie Bush... he knew of the situation. Granted.. the question is.. how could Cam NOT know. Who knows who actually knows or did what. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Randy Lyons wrote: > FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player’s > FAMILY from “negotiations”. If it is determined that his dad DID offer to > “steer” his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled > ineligible. Period. > > > > Randy > > > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Woody > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM > > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > yes. The FBI is investigating. > > Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. > > > > But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. > And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with > just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that > mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... > but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. > > > > There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. > > > > Woody > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > What do you mean no facts ?? > > > > We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they > represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has > been verified by numerous people. > > > > We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. > > > > We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. > > > We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU > program for a long time. > > > > We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. > > > > We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. > > > > We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of > Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. > > > > I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the > most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. > > > > Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get > Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? > > The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn > boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting > paid. > > > > I’m 99% sure that they do. > > > > I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in > College Football History. > > > > Stephen Manuel > > > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Woody > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke > there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do > with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). > > > > No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some > of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call > confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called > "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole > lotta whooey probably over nothing. > > > > Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing > wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. > > > > Woody > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and > too interesting I want to share it. > > > > I’m sure most are f
Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
As usual, Randoo and I agree. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: "Randy Lyons" Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:40:05 To: Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player's FAMILY from "negotiations". If it is determined that his dad DID offer to "steer" his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled ineligible. Period. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest
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So the next time I rob a bank I can give it all to a pastor and be OK? If Doc really wants to discuss or cuss this I'll be lurking on Too Hot. :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Jerry Belloit Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 07:25:46 To: Reply-to: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Scott, I generally agree, but it might be interesting if the only "Payment" was a charitable donation to his uncle's (dad's?) church. I am not so sure it is a violation if there is not a benefit to an interested party. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or a AU booster. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands from one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a violation... If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to get his services... done. _ From: Gatorr To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" wrote: I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violation..I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. It
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Nope, they don't need to proove Cam had knowledge. Remember, the NCAA is not a court of law, they don't need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt or even to the preponderence of evidence. They can make any decision the infractions committee feels just based on the information in front of them. And while they don't have subpeona powers, if they ask a member school for information or access to an individual associated with the school, the school must provide or it is deemed an admission of guilt (see the F$U case). If the rule were simply that if Cam didn't have knowledge, then it is okay, every school in the country would be paying parents. The problem at hand is the NCAA does not move fast in this type of investigation. They will want to see the whole picture to determine if it is simply an athlete eligibility issue or if some of these other allegations are also true. Until they rule, it is up to the school to determine eligibility and Auburn has determined they will play Cam. Auburn is playing a risky game of poker here, if Cam is ultimately ruled ineligible, their whole season goes down the crapper, or they may determine he is eligible and all is well. In the meantime, they play for the SECC and BCSC and possibly bring home a title. Two years down the road, the NCAA may rule and the wins get stripped, but they have had two years of recruiting success based on this year. Auburn is all in, do or die. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:11 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I've been following this as well. There would seemingly need to be some proof of knowledge on Cams part. But I don't know if that is a fact or not. Proving he had knowledge is going to be pretty tough. _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:46 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Yep.. thats basically what happened with the Reggie Bush scandal. But some of the so called experts Ive been listening to on the situation think that if Cam had no knowledge.. Cam may be cleared. I think with Reggie Bush... he knew of the situation. Granted.. the question is.. how could Cam NOT know. Who knows who actually knows or did what. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Randy Lyons wrote: FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player's FAMILY from "negotiations". If it is determined that his dad DID offer to "steer" his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled ineligible. Period. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gato
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I've been following this as well. There would seemingly need to be some proof of knowledge on Cams part. But I don't know if that is a fact or not. Proving he had knowledge is going to be pretty tough. _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:46 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Yep.. thats basically what happened with the Reggie Bush scandal. But some of the so called experts Ive been listening to on the situation think that if Cam had no knowledge.. Cam may be cleared. I think with Reggie Bush... he knew of the situation. Granted.. the question is.. how could Cam NOT know. Who knows who actually knows or did what. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Randy Lyons wrote: FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player's FAMILY from "negotiations". If it is determined that his dad DID offer to "steer" his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled ineligible. Period. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price alleg
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My question, exactly!! How could he possibly not know what his father was doing when it influenced his decision at to which college to attend/play for??? - Original Message - From: Woody To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Yep.. thats basically what happened with the Reggie Bush scandal. But some of the so called experts Ive been listening to on the situation think that if Cam had no knowledge.. Cam may be cleared. I think with Reggie Bush... he knew of the situation. Granted.. the question is.. how could Cam NOT know. Who knows who actually knows or did what. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Randy Lyons wrote: FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player’s FAMILY from “negotiations”. If it is determined that his dad DID offer to “steer” his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled ineligible. Period. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I’m 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
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Yep.. thats basically what happened with the Reggie Bush scandal. But some of the so called experts Ive been listening to on the situation think that if Cam had no knowledge.. Cam may be cleared. I think with Reggie Bush... he knew of the situation. Granted.. the question is.. how could Cam NOT know. Who knows who actually knows or did what. On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Randy Lyons wrote: > FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player’s > FAMILY from “negotiations”. If it is determined that his dad DID offer to > “steer” his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled > ineligible. Period. > > > > Randy > > > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Woody > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM > > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > yes. The FBI is investigating. > > Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. > > > > But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. > And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with > just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that > mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... > but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. > > > > There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. > > > > Woody > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > What do you mean no facts ?? > > > > We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they > represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has > been verified by numerous people. > > > > We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. > > > > We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. > > > We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU > program for a long time. > > > > We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. > > > > We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. > > > > We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of > Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. > > > > I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the > most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. > > > > Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get > Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? > > The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn > boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting > paid. > > > > I’m 99% sure that they do. > > > > I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in > College Football History. > > > > Stephen Manuel > > > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Woody > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke > there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do > with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). > > > > No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some > of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call > confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called > "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole > lotta whooey probably over nothing. > > > > Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing > wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. > > > > Woody > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and > too interesting I want to share it. > > > > I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that > interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn > Grad, I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was > buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you > will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn. > > > > Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed seve
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FBI aside, from what I understand, the NCAA forbids even the player's FAMILY from "negotiations". If it is determined that his dad DID offer to "steer" his son to a particular school for a payoff, Cam will be ruled ineligible. Period. Randy From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. >From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676 <http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1> &Pg=1 TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn:
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Scott, I generally agree, but it might be interesting if the only "Payment" was a charitable donation to his uncle's (dad's?) church. I am not so sure it is a violation if there is not a benefit to an interested party. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:12 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or a AU booster. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands from one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a violation... If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to get his services... done. _ From: Gatorr To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" wrote: I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violation..I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'
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I was wondering what the FBI involvement was in all of this...now it's becoming more clearer by the minute!! Stephen, I truly believe you would not have posted any of this if you didn't have good sources. You only come up for air when the situation warrants... :-) Welcome back..albeit, how briefly it might be!! Wanda - Original Message - From: Stephen Manuel To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I don't know how many of you followed all 4 of the links I posted, but you should if you haven't. This stinks to high heaven, so far 11 Alabama legislators, 1 lobbyist, and 1 HUGE Auburn booster have been indicted. The largest Bank failure in the USA in the last year was headed by a HUGE Auburn booster, the Board of Directors of the Bank was manned by HUGE Auburn Boosters, the FBI is investigating all of this, plus the Cam Newton Situation. The Auburn Booster that has been indicted, was also the subject of a Murder for Hire Investigation, plus his movements are being tracked for threatening an FBI Agent. Here's my prediction for Cam Newton, he will not be suspended or declared ineligible...Auburn in poker terms is ALL IN, they could care less what the NCAA does to them so long as they beat Alabama, win the SEC and play for a NC. Oliver, the BBT is a distant memory of tailgates gone by. Stephen -- From: "oli...@bobparks.com" To: Gator Talk Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 4:29:59 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it? Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF! BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- From: Gatorr Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Exactly. "if". Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson wrote: It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. Eddie Williamson On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a violation….I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it w
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I didn't have time to read the links earlier, Stephen, but they're still here in my inbox for a little light bedtime reading later tonight. Thanks for sharing them. Cee - Original Message - From: Stephen Manuel To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I don't know how many of you followed all 4 of the links I posted, but you should if you haven't. This stinks to high heaven, so far 11 Alabama legislators, 1 lobbyist, and 1 HUGE Auburn booster have been indicted. The largest Bank failure in the USA in the last year was headed by a HUGE Auburn booster, the Board of Directors of the Bank was manned by HUGE Auburn Boosters, the FBI is investigating all of this, plus the Cam Newton Situation. The Auburn Booster that has been indicted, was also the subject of a Murder for Hire Investigation, plus his movements are being tracked for threatening an FBI Agent. Here's my prediction for Cam Newton, he will not be suspended or declared ineligible...Auburn in poker terms is ALL IN, they could care less what the NCAA does to them so long as they beat Alabama, win the SEC and play for a NC. Oliver, the BBT is a distant memory of tailgates gone by. Stephen -- From: "oli...@bobparks.com" To: Gator Talk Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 4:29:59 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it? Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF! BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -- From: Gatorr Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Exactly. "if". Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson wrote: It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. Eddie Williamson On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a violation….I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Aubur
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I don't know how many of you followed all 4 of the links I posted, but you should if you haven't. This stinks to high heaven, so far 11 Alabama legislators, 1 lobbyist, and 1 HUGE Auburn booster have been indicted. The largest Bank failure in the USA in the last year was headed by a HUGE Auburn booster, the Board of Directors of the Bank was manned by HUGE Auburn Boosters, the FBI is investigating all of this, plus the Cam Newton Situation. The Auburn Booster that has been indicted, was also the subject of a Murder for Hire Investigation, plus his movements are being tracked for threatening an FBI Agent. Here's my prediction for Cam Newton, he will not be suspended or declared ineligible...Auburn in poker terms is ALL IN, they could care less what the NCAA does to them so long as they beat Alabama, win the SEC and play for a NC. Oliver, the BBT is a distant memory of tailgates gone by. Stephen From: "oli...@bobparks.com" To: Gator Talk Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 4:29:59 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it? Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF! BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Gatorr Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 -0500 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com ReplyTo: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Exactly. "if". Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson wrote: It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. > >Eddie Williamson > >On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: > >>I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited >> >>money, it’s a violation….I think? >> >>From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>Of >>Woody >>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM >>To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >>Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING >> >>yes. The FBI is investigating. >>Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. >> >>But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or >> >>corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also >>accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does >>that >>mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their >> >>incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to >>conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for >>sure. >> >> >>There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything >> >>wrong. >> >>Woody >> >> >> >> >> >>On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel >> wrote: >>What do you mean no facts ?? >> >>We know that MSU alleged that they were >>approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton >>and >>wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been >>verified >>by numerous people. >> >> >>We know the FBI is involved and have >>questioned MSU representatives. >> >> >>We know that Auburn has a long and >>distinguished history of cheating. >> >> >>We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have >>corrupted >>the AU program for a long time. >> >> >>We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. >> >>We know that Auburn Boosters have been >>arrested for bribing Politicians. >> >> >>We know that the FBI has wiretapped >>numero
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And with all those millions, he can help his daddy's church forever...
Wanda
- Original Message -
From: Ed Williamson
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler"
or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal
inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands to
lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st
round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire.
Eddie Williamson
On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote:
I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's
a violation..I think?
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
yes. The FBI is investigating.
Yes.. the NCAA is investigating.
But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet.
And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with
just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean
Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets
not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure.
There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong.
Woody
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel
wrote:
What do you mean no facts ??
We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they
represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been
verified by numerous people.
We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives.
We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating.
We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU
program for a long time.
We know that Lowder's Bank went under.
We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians.
We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of
Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues.
I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the
most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo.
Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get
Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ??
The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn
boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting
paid.
I'm 99% sure that they do.
I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in
College Football History.
Stephen Manuel
From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Woody
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM
To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING
Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke
there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with
this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet).
No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some
of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call
confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources"
come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey
probably over nothing.
Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing
wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story.
Woody
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel
wrote:
I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and
too interesting I want to share it.
I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that
interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad,
I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying
players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know
for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn.
Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about
the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up
considerably.
I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly
involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will
get the FBI's interest.
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If AU cannot play in the SECCG, what will happen? Cee - Original Message - From: John Bowers To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Whatever happens, I know one thing: South Carolina fans probably cannot believe the good fortune that has so far unfolded for them this year. I said on more than one occasion (more than about a hundred, really) that there was no way, NO WAY, that all three teams.Tennessee, Florida, AND Georgia.could all crash (I think I used the word 'suck' actually) in the SAME YEAR..and give Carolina a path. And darned if it didn't happen. Now Auburn is teetering on the brink of catastrophe, right as ol' Spur-Cock is headed to the ATL to play them. I'm telling you, watch what happens. Newton's going to be declared ineligible before the SECCG. Or something else will happen that will derail Auburn. Four proud teams roll over and play dead in front of Carolina. Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Auburn. John -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Whatever happens, I know one thing: South Carolina fans probably cannot believe the good fortune that has so far unfolded for them this year. I said on more than one occasion (more than about a hundred, really) that there was no way, NO WAY, that all three teams.Tennessee, Florida, AND Georgia.could all crash (I think I used the word 'suck' actually) in the SAME YEAR..and give Carolina a path. And darned if it didn't happen. Now Auburn is teetering on the brink of catastrophe, right as ol' Spur-Cock is headed to the ATL to play them. I'm telling you, watch what happens. Newton's going to be declared ineligible before the SECCG. Or something else will happen that will derail Auburn. Four proud teams roll over and play dead in front of Carolina. Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Auburn. John -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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I'm afraid Stephen is correct. It isn't if, it's how bad is it? Stephen, you're also correct that it's going to be very big! This isn't going to be good for college football. Nor, is it going to be good for SECfootball. I can already hear the big ten commish gloating. I do agree with Cees, I'm glad it's Auburn, not UF! BTW, Stephen, how's the BBT? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gatorr Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:36:09 To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Exactly. "if". Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson wrote: > It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" > or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal > inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands > to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st > round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. > > Eddie Williamson > > On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: >> >> I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a >> violation….I think? >> >> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM >> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING >> >> yes. The FBI is investigating. >> Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. >> >> But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And >> youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just >> as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean >> Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but >> lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. >> >> There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. >> >> Woody >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel >> wrote: >> What do you mean no facts ?? >> >> We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they >> represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has >> been verified by numerous people. >> >> We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. >> >> We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. >> >> We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU >> program for a long time. >> >> We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. >> >> We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. >> >> We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of >> Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. >> >> I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the >> most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. >> >> Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will >> take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for >> Free ?? >> >> The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn >> boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting >> paid. >> >> I’m 99% sure that they do. >> >> I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College >> Football History. >> >> Stephen Manuel >> >> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Woody >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM >> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING >> >> Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke >> there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do >> with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did >> anything wrong (yet). >> >> No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some >> of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call >> confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until >> these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its al
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And, now that I've read everything in my inbox, I realize I should have done that before responding with the same sentiments. Sorry! Cee - Original Message - From: Scott Lucas To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or a AU booster. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands from one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a violation... If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to get his services... done. -- From: Gatorr To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" wrote: I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a violation….I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I’m 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to sha
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Even if Cam had no knowledge, if money was solicited by and paid to his family by AU boosters, that's a violation... a biig violation. Whatever happens, it'll be good sport to watch it unfold. Cee - Original Message - From: Gatorr To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" wrote: I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a violation….I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I’m 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involvi
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Yup. - Original Message - From: Jay Cicone To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violation..I think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that
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No matter what, it'll be fun to watch. And, btw... HEY, STEPHEN!!! Cee - Original Message - From: Stephen Manuel To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:50 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1 TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/ Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and Political Corruption http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting indicted, plus murder for hire. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. Stephen Manuel
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But it is a violation whether Cam knows or not IF that money came from AU or a AU booster. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if Cam knew... if money traded hands from one of the sources above, it is signed, sealed, and delivered as a violation... If it went to his dad or a future agent or a child orphanage to get his services... done. From: Gatorr To: "gatortalk@googlegroups.com" Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 3:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" wrote: I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a violation….I think? > >From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >Of >Woody >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > >yes. The FBI is investigating. >Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. > >But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And >youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just >as >scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama >is >corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump >to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. > > >There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. > >Woody > > > > > >On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: >What do you mean no facts ?? > >We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they >represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has >been >verified by numerous people. > > >We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. > >We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. > >We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program >for a long time. > > >We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. > >We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. > >We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of >Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. > > >I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the >most >diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. > >Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get >Cam >Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? >The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn >boosters >on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. > > >I’m 99% sure that they do. > >I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College >Football History. > >Stephen Manuel > >From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >Of >Woody >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM >To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > >Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke >there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with >this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). > >No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of >those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece >call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to >light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably >over >nothing. > > >Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing >wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. > >Woody >On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: >I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and >too >interesting I want to share it. > > >I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that >interested in the story until recently, I have
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Exactly. "if". Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ed Williamson wrote: > It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" > or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal > inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands > to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st > round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. > > Eddie Williamson > > On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: >> >> I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a >> violation….I think? >> >> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM >> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING >> >> yes. The FBI is investigating. >> Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. >> >> But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And >> youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just >> as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean >> Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but >> lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. >> >> There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. >> >> Woody >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel >> wrote: >> What do you mean no facts ?? >> >> We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they >> represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has >> been verified by numerous people. >> >> We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. >> >> We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. >> >> We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU >> program for a long time. >> >> We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. >> >> We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. >> >> We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of >> Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. >> >> I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the >> most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. >> >> Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will >> take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for >> Free ?? >> >> The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn >> boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting >> paid. >> >> I’m 99% sure that they do. >> >> I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College >> Football History. >> >> Stephen Manuel >> >> From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Woody >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM >> To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING >> >> Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke >> there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do >> with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did >> anything wrong (yet). >> >> No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some >> of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call >> confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until >> these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all >> just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. >> >> Its like I told my Auburn friend the other >> day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry >> about. End of story. >> >> Woody >> >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel >> wrote: >> I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and >> too interesting I want to share it. >> >> I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that >> interested in the story un -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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Yes, Cam has the least to lose or so it would seem. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Williamson Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:27 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. Eddie Williamson On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violationI think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major boost
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It doesn't matter if Cam did it personally or not, if his Dad or a "handler" or Agent represented his "interests, and Auburn provided payments or illegal inducements to get him to enroll, they all will be culpable. Auburn stands to lose the most. The worst that will happen to Cam is that he will be a 1st round draft choice in this years draft and an instant millionaire. Eddie Williamson On 11/18/2010 3:02 PM, Jay Cicone wrote: I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violationI think? *From:*gatort...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Woody *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel mailto:srman...@bellsouth.net>> wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel *From:*gatort...@googlegroups.com <mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com> [mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com <mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Woody *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com <mailto:gatortalk@googlegroups.com> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel mailto:srman...@bellsouth.net>> wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are
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Depends on who you ask. Been listening to several "experts" on various radio shows. Some say yes some say maybe not. Their argument was if anything did happen and Cam had no knowledge then Cam may be fine. Of course, the counter argument to that is how can Cam not know. Which goes back to my comment that we just do not know enough to say one way or the other. If there are txt msgs that happened.. Those can be recovered. If money was exchanged.. That can be tracked. Fine.. Where is that proof? Thats all im tryin to say. Woody (via iPhone) On Nov 18, 2010, at 3:02 PM, "Jay Cicone" wrote: > I don’t think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it’s a > violation….I think? > > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Woody > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > yes. The FBI is investigating. > > Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. > > > > But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And > youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just > as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean > Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets > not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. > > > > There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. > > > > Woody > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > What do you mean no facts ?? > > > > We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they > represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has > been verified by numerous people. > > > > We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. > > > > We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. > > > We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program > for a long time. > > > > We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. > > > > We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. > > > > We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of > Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. > > > > I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the > most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. > > > > Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get > Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? > > The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn > boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting > paid. > > > > I’m 99% sure that they do. > > > > I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College > Football History. > > > > Stephen Manuel > > > > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Woody > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke > there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with > this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). > > > > No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of > those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call > confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" > come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey > probably over nothing. > > > > Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing > wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. > > > > Woody > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and > too interesting I want to share it. > > > > I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that > interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn > Grad, I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was > buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, the
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UF was corrupt when Charlie Pell was here.over 100 NCAA violations says so. Bama was corrupt under Mike Dubose. Auburn has been corrupt numerous times. I'm just saying, this case has the potential to make the Alabama/Albert Means case seem like chump change. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. >From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676 <http://www.tigerdroppings.com/
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I don't think it matters what Cam did. If his father solicited money, it's a violationI think? From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:57 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. >From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website...start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1 TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn- university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/ Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists
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yes. The FBI is investigating. Yes.. the NCAA is investigating. But we dont know that they have found anything criminal or corrupt yet. And youll excuse me for saying.. Fla was once also accused and charged with just as scandalous of behavior... does that mean UF is corrupt? Does that mean Bama is corrupt after their incident? The answer is no obviously... but lets not jump to conclusions about Cam or Auburn till we know for sure. There are no facts (so far) that Cam has done anything wrong. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: > What do you mean no facts ?? > > > > We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they > represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has > been verified by numerous people. > > > > We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. > > > > We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. > > > We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU > program for a long time. > > > > We know that Lowder’s Bank went under. > > > > We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. > > > > We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of > Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. > > > > I’ve followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the > most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. > > > > Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get > Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? > > The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn > boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting > paid. > > > > I’m 99% sure that they do. > > > > I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in > College Football History. > > > > Stephen Manuel > > > > *From:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Woody > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM > *To:* gatortalk@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING > > > > Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke > there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do > with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). > > > > No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some > of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call > confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called > "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole > lotta whooey probably over nothing. > > > > Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing > wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. > > > > Woody > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel > wrote: > > I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and > too interesting I want to share it. > > > > I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that > interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn > Grad, I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was > buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you > will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn. > > > > Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about > the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up > considerably. > > > > I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly > involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented > will get the FBI’s interest. > > > > However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor > out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about > every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, > federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this > case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football > History…. > > > > I’ll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure > you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that’s out there. > > > > From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website…start here > > http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1 > > > > TMZ.com about the
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You may be right, Stephen. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Manuel Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:51 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. >From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website...start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1 TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn- university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/ Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and Political Corruption http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3ee a05796017322.txt AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting indicted, plus murder for hire. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. Stephen Manuel -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 Nati
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What do you mean no facts ?? We know that MSU alleged that they were approached by people stating they represented Cam Newton and wanted money for him to sign with MSU. This has been verified by numerous people. We know the FBI is involved and have questioned MSU representatives. We know that Auburn has a long and distinguished history of cheating. We know that Bobby Lowder and other AU boosters have corrupted the AU program for a long time. We know that Lowder's Bank went under. We know that Auburn Boosters have been arrested for bribing Politicians. We know that the FBI has wiretapped numerous phones in the investigation of Lowder and other AU boosters over Bank and Gambling issues. I've followed and been involved in recruiting for over 25 years, only the most diehard Auburn Fan would not believe they are in deep doo doo. Does anyone honestly believe that MSU was told it will take 100-180K to get Cam Newton and all of a sudden he signs with Auburn for Free ?? The one thing that will absolutely kill Auburn is if the FBI has Auburn boosters on tape discussing who/what/when and how Auburn Players are getting paid. I'm 99% sure that they do. I still believe this has the potential to be the biggest scandal in College Football History. Stephen Manuel From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:30 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] AUBURN IS BURNING Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: I don't post very often but when something comes up that is just to big and too interesting I want to share it. I'm sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I'll admit I was not that interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that's an Auburn Grad, I told him based on my experience, it's probably true that Auburn was buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you will know for sure it's true and to expect major probation for Auburn. Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up considerably. I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented will get the FBI's interest. However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football History.. I'll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that's out there. >From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website.start here http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676 <http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1> &Pg=1 TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-univ ersity-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/ Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and Political Corruption http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea057 96017322.txt AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting indicted, plus murder for hire. http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html I don't vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. Stephen Manuel -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our webs
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Tooo much speculation... no facts. Yes.. I agree that where there is smoke there is fire... but a) we dont know that Cam himself had anything to do with this. (yet) b) We dont know that Auburn did anything wrong (yet). No.. its not looking good IF you go by all the reports. By the way.. some of those reports have also already been refuted (including the so call confernece call with Meyer and Mullen).. and until these so called "sources" come to light... its all speculation and its all just a whole lotta whooey probably over nothing. Its like I told my Auburn friend the other day.if Cam did nothing wrong.. he (and Auburn) has nothing to worry about. End of story. Woody On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote: > I don’t post very often but when something comes up that is just to big > and too interesting I want to share it. > > > > I’m sure most are following the Cam Newton Saga, I’ll admit I was not that > interested in the story until recently, I have a Nephew that’s an Auburn > Grad, I told him based on my experience, it’s probably true that Auburn was > buying players. I went on to say, if you hear the FBI is involved, then you > will know for sure it’s true and to expect major probation for Auburn. > > > > Today when I heard that the FBI had interviewed several MSU people about > the play for pay scheme involving Cam Newton, my interest level went up > considerably. > > > > I thought the reason the FBI might get involved is that price allegedly > involved was 100-180 K, that amount of money changing hands undocumented > will get the FBI’s interest. > > > > However, I am dumbfounded at that the amount of information/gossip/rumor > out there about this case. Not only is the FBI involved, but just about > every major booster at Auburn is involved, state politicians are involved, > federal indictments are involved, murder for hire has been mentioned, this > case has the potential to turn into the biggest scandal in College Football > History…. > > > > I’ll give you 4 links and let you judge for yourself, but I warn, make sure > you have a couple of hours to sit down and digest all that’s out there. > > > > From Tigerdroppings.com an LSU website…start here > > http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22778676&Pg=1 > > > > TMZ.com about the FBI and Auburn: > > > http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/17/cam-newton-fbi-investigation-probe-auburn-university-booster-milton-mcgregor-sec-football-ncaa/ > > > > Tuskegee Newspaper article about Lobbyists/Gambling/Bobby Lowder and > Political Corruption > http://www.thetuskegeenews.com/articles/2010/10/21/opinion/doc4cbf59b3eea05796017322.txt > > > > AL.com article about major Auburn Booster linked to Cam Newton getting > indicted, plus murder for hire. > > http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/10/11_alabama_legislators_lobbyis.html > > > > I don’t vouch for any of the information, just to say, when there is this > much smoke a HUGE MAJOR fire must be burning somewhere. > > > > Stephen Manuel > > > > > > > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
