RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
--- Charlie wrote: I guess we'll know soon. I don't put a lot of stock in the "premium" content over there. Too many of those "insiders" told us how silly we were to question Zook are still "insiders" JMO Charlie I hear you, but this guy isn't on the GC staff and apparently has some sources that either are on the football staff, or are close enough that he hears a good deal of inside info. Combine that with a pretty fair working knowledge of schemes and techniques, and most of his posts make for a good read, IMO. He's neither a pollyanna nor a negative nellie, so everyone can doubt him equally. :) He's actually thinking about getting back into putting out a newsletter, which he used to do. If he does, I will look into getting permission to post at least the first few of them here - I think some of you would find it very interesting reading. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I don't hate Mullen. I wish him all the best and hope he has a long and successful career. I simply object to the media characterization that Gator fans wish they had Mullen back again. Some may, but I don't. Sure he called some good plays -- Adazzio calls some good plays too -- but that doesn't mean he is a particularly good game-day coach. It always seemed to me that he was excellent at designing plays on paper, as with some of the ones you pointed out, but just never had a feel for the flow of a game and no real knack for keeping offensive coordinators off balance. But that's just one opinion. Rob Sent from my iPad On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:37 AM, jl...@comcast.net wrote: > I'm not sure where all this hate for Mullen comes from. Yes, he relied too > much on Tebow and Harvin, but most of the time it worked. He also came up > with some brilliant play calls: the jump pass, the Tebow rocker step, the > play right before the half against OSU where Tebow took a step towards the > LOS, then ran parallel to it before passing to Caldwell for the TD. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "jfranl" > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:14:54 AM > Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen > > Amen, Brother!! I don't want him back either. I always thought that > superior talent would trump a mediocre offensive play caller, but I guess I > was wrong. The wheels have fallen off the wagon! Fran > > > -Original Message- > From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Badrish > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:47 PM > To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen > > I agree! > > On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com wrote: > > Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much > > because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his > > play-calling, not because of it. He showed that again Saturday night. > They > > didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good > > game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They > tried > > to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is > > certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back. > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas wrote: > > > >> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this: We have not > >> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for > Urban's > >> success at Florida and previously. > >> > >> Let that sink in. > >> > >> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless. A shell of its former self. > >> Former? Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots. Oh > >> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati. Whoopie! It was > >> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference, > >> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them. > >> That is Adazzio's best game. A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare. > >> He has not accomplished anything real other than that. > >> > >> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success? He makes his offense work > >> with what he has. He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and > >> we won with him. Won it all. We had our Tebow years, modified the > >> offense, and we won with him. Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we > >> don't modify and we are losing horribly. But what has Dan done? He went > >> to an underachieving school. Looked at what he had, he modified and is > >> winning. He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with > >> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools > >> he has... > >> > >> Dan does what MUST be done to win. He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times > >> against us. Why? It was working and it was what he needed to do to win. > >> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it. He say > >> what LSU did to us, and he copied it. He is adjusting... modifying. He > >> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of > >> player than Bama and LSU had. This does not bode well for us. > >> > >> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our > >> personnel. Dan wouldn't do this. We are
RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I guess we'll know soon. I don't put a lot of stock in the "premium" content over there. Too many of those "insiders" told us how silly we were to question Zook are still "insiders" JMO Charlie _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:14 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is having this year): I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night. To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged". Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly. Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured into hiring too soon. The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either. Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates the way they've been performing. The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can. It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track. I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a beatdown on those mangy mutts! Steve -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I've noticed that Uncle has been a bit protective of Johnny with his comments...and he should be. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: Jay Cicone To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 12:07:05 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, “Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his receivers”. Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
All of us are hoping for a turnaround and a victory, especially over the Dawgs. I never thought Meyer was disengaged, but am sure that he is dissatisfied and will work on fixing the team problems. A. Leon Polhill, Gator "I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did. I said I didn't know." - Mark Twain From: Steve McKibben To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 10:14:12 AM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is having this year): I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night. To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged". Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly. Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured into hiring too soon. The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either. Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates the way they've been performing. The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can. It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track. I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a beatdown on those mangy mutts! Steve -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
What I see more than anything is Xavier Nixon getting manhandled by the opposing team's defensive linemen. There were times during the Alabama game that you could see him actually being pushed two or three yards back from the line of scrimmage (and I mean that to say that the DL was just giving him a single push and Nixon falling backwards - not a continuous shoving of Nixon with Nixon fighting back). On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Steve McKibben wrote: > That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other > side of that argument. > > I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than > they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion. > Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely > because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed > assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched, > while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the > wrong way for someone to pick up. > > --- On *Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas * wrote: > > > This is the most confounding part for me. They SHOULD be better at the > spread and zone blocking, but they are not! > > > -- > ** > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I'm glad we have an off week. I think Meyer can take control back and turn things back around. It will be just in time. We lose to Ga and I'm going to be pissed! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Steve McKibben Sender: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 07:14:12 To: Reply-To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is having this year): I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night. To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged". Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly. Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured into hiring too soon. The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either. Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates the way they've been performing. The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can. It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track. I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a beatdown on those mangy mutts! Steve -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
You may have said it before -- I got back on GT (after a short hiatus) just before the LSU game...! On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Scott Lucas wrote: > I think I said that same thing, but may have been in another post... > > Everyone is not on the same page, everyone is not making the reads > correctly. Letting brantley drop back and throw makes it easier to do what > he does best. I think that much is obvious, but I do agree that they will > struggle running from that as well, and that can be as much to do with our > running backs as it does witht the blocking... > > "Steve McKibben" wrote: > > >That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other > side of that argument. > > > >I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than > they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion. > Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely > because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed > assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched, > while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the > wrong way for someone to pick up. > > > >--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is the most confounding part for me. They SHOULD be better at the > spread and zone blocking, but they are not! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > >2008 National Football Champions | > >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel > (1996), > >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I think I said that same thing, but may have been in another post... Everyone is not on the same page, everyone is not making the reads correctly. Letting brantley drop back and throw makes it easier to do what he does best. I think that much is obvious, but I do agree that they will struggle running from that as well, and that can be as much to do with our running backs as it does witht the blocking... "Steve McKibben" wrote: >That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other side >of that argument. > >I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than >they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion. >Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely >because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed >assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched, >while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the >wrong way for someone to pick up. > >--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas wrote: > > > > > > > >This is the most confounding part for me. They SHOULD be better at the spread >and zone blocking, but they are not! > > > > > > >-- >GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >2008 National Football Champions | >Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), >Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
That's your opinion. I happen to think that there is merit to the other side of that argument. I think they are better at pass blocking in the "Brantley/man" scheme than they are at run blocking in that setup, but I still see a lot of confusion. Look at the times Brantley has been pressured and/or sacked. It's rarely because our player is beaten by speed or technique, it's usually a missed assignment that allows one or more pass rushers to come through untouched, while there are two linemen on a single player, and often one looking the wrong way for someone to pick up. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Scott Lucas wrote: This is the most confounding part for me. They SHOULD be better at the spread and zone blocking, but they are not! -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
"Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current group." This is the most confounding part for me. They SHOULD be better at the spread and zone blocking, but they are not! They are doing much better in man to man blocking schemes and knowing the QB is going to drop back and pass. It really seems that the whole offense is not on the same page, no cohesiveness. Everyone should be making the same reads, whether you are a QB, O-lineman, WR, or RB. They must all see the same and react similarly and in conjunction with each other. I don't think we have the conjunction part down. Some may be seeing it and reacting appopriately, others are not. This leads to problems like we are experiencing where unexplained defenders go untouched to our QB or routes are cutoff or passes thrown when they shouldn't be. What else explains the propensity of running a 3 yard route when we need 5 on a third or fourth down? Are we better with Burton? I don't think so! If you put him in, we are no different than the offense that MSU ran which many have said was horrible when you run 29 out of 30 times. Could we win? maybe... But we could win with Brantley if they allowed him and the offense to be what they do best. Also, how many passes has Burton thrown? TWO! He has run the ball 32 times. Talk about becoming one dimensional! From: Steve McKibben To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:31:21 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current group. I think the fact that Brantley was so good coming out of high school, and a Gator legacy to boot, made it near impossible for Meyer not to recruit. I doubt very much that you'll see Meyer recruit QBs in the future that are pure passers only. I think all involved are sorry that they haven't been able to have a functional offense with Johnny at the helm. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Shane Ford wrote: > >I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths >of a passing QB. Oh, wait! We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we? Why are we >unable to do it now? Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run >that >offense? > > >Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley. It would be hard >to think he's not at least giving it serious thought. The worst part is if I >were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach >Meyer >after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like >he's a QB that he's not - JMHO. Jay, do you have room under that canoe? :-) > -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I'm not sure I buy the whole zone blocking thing anyway. Even in a pro-set offense the line does zone blocking and you have pulling guards, etc. I think the problem is too many missed assignments, rarely having a back in to block and when we do, he misses. In 2006 our most valuable player was Billy Latsko the FB. We need to go back to that set and then we will be able to run. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Lucas Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 1:51 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen In an earlier post I touched on the issues that this O-Line has with the zone/read blocking which they have to do. I have an opposite opinion. In the first half, in which we zone block for this spread nightmare, we are not doing well at all. However, when we let them pass protect and run block normally in the second half, it works! I think there is some merit to them not being ready to do both equally well. But then if they do one well, why not run it all the time? We have been effective in the second half when we let Brantley be Brantley. I also concur that it is not wholly Brantley's fault. He has had more than his fair share of drops. I do want to point out that the sore thumb is NOT helping matters and explains the errant passes. Hopefully he heals up in the next 2 weeks. I do not think we need to push Burton into the starting role or take away Brantley's reps. What he needs is the offense to work to his strength and the O-line's strength which seems to be a more pro style drop back and block offense. It is NOT what we have been doing in every first half to date. We are forcing two square pegs into one round hole-- Brantley and the O-line. Both are not running the spread well, but both do better when we open it up. _ From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:23:59 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths of a passing QB. Oh, wait! We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we? Why are we unable to do it now? Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run that offense? Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley. It would be hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought. The worst part is if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO. Jay, do you have room under that canoe? :-) _ From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:05:10 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things don't improve. He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate. He would then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters program that UF does not and play next year. I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are better off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the future. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches", when the unbiased comment should have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn't getting the ball to his receivers". Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays th
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
In an earlier post I touched on the issues that this O-Line has with the zone/read blocking which they have to do. I have an opposite opinion. In the first half, in which we zone block for this spread nightmare, we are not doing well at all. However, when we let them pass protect and run block normally in the second half, it works! I think there is some merit to them not being ready to do both equally well. But then if they do one well, why not run it all the time? We have been effective in the second half when we let Brantley be Brantley. I also concur that it is not wholly Brantley's fault. He has had more than his fair share of drops. I do want to point out that the sore thumb is NOT helping matters and explains the errant passes. Hopefully he heals up in the next 2 weeks. I do not think we need to push Burton into the starting role or take away Brantley's reps. What he needs is the offense to work to his strength and the O-line's strength which seems to be a more pro style drop back and block offense. It is NOT what we have been doing in every first half to date. We are forcing two square pegs into one round hole-- Brantley and the O-line. Both are not running the spread well, but both do better when we open it up. From: Shane Ford To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 2:23:59 PM Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths of a passing QB. Oh, wait! We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we? Why are we unable to do it now? Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run that offense? Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley. It would be hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought. The worst part is if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO. Jay, do you have room under that canoe? :-) From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:05:10 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things don't improve. He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate. He would then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters program that UF does not and play next year. I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are better off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the future. Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, “Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his receivers”. Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDA
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I'm sure all parties are very sorry now! I've read that Driskel has an excellent arm but also is a very good runner. I suppose the bright side in all of this is the recruiting of him has probably gotten easier. I'm sure he sees that he can get almost immediate playing time if he signs on. Steve, I hadn't thought about he difference in the O-line blocking schemes between then and now. I know that would make a huge difference. I'm ready for basketball season! Any one else? Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone Go Gators! & Skol Vikes! On Oct 19, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Steve McKibben wrote: > Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of > offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking > schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current > group. > > I think the fact that Brantley was so good coming out of high school, and a > Gator legacy to boot, made it near impossible for Meyer not to recruit. I > doubt very much that you'll see Meyer recruit QBs in the future that are pure > passers only. I think all involved are sorry that they haven't been able to > have a functional offense with Johnny at the helm. > > --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Shane Ford wrote: > > I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the > strengths of a passing QB. Oh, wait! We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we? > Why are we unable to do it now? Why can't we dust off the playbooks from > 2006 and run that offense? > > Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley. It would be > hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought. The worst part is > if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for > Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to > pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO. Jay, do you have room under > that canoe? :-) > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
Most of the linemen on that 2006 team had experience in a pro set type of offense, so it was probably more natural to that group than the zone blocking schemes that were just being introduced - just the opposite of our current group. I think the fact that Brantley was so good coming out of high school, and a Gator legacy to boot, made it near impossible for Meyer not to recruit. I doubt very much that you'll see Meyer recruit QBs in the future that are pure passers only. I think all involved are sorry that they haven't been able to have a functional offense with Johnny at the helm. --- On Tue, 10/19/10, Shane Ford wrote: I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths of a passing QB. Oh, wait! We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we? Why are we unable to do it now? Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run that offense? Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley. It would be hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought. The worst part is if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO. Jay, do you have room under that canoe? :-) -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I think it's a shame that we can't tailor our offense to play to the strengths of a passing QB. Oh, wait! We did that in 2005-2006, didn't we? Why are we unable to do it now? Why can't we dust off the playbooks from 2006 and run that offense? Ken, I have to agree with you on your thoughts for Brantley. It would be hard to think he's not at least giving it serious thought. The worst part is if I were the father of a passing QB son, I would NEVER let him play for Coach Meyer after how I've witnessed him nearly get Brantley killed trying to pretend like he's a QB that he's not - JMHO. Jay, do you have room under that canoe? :-) From: Ken Kirkley To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 1:05:10 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things don't improve. He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate. He would then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters program that UF does not and play next year. I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are better off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the future. Ken K MNGator From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, “Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his receivers”. Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
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I don't have a canoe. I guess you could bash my scull in. ;-) From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shane Ford Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:21 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen Are you using your canoe for shelter? :-) From: Jay Cicone To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:07:05 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches", when the unbiased comment should have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn't getting the ball to his receivers". Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
Are you using your canoe for shelter? :-) From: Jay Cicone To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 11:07:05 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like ”Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches”, when the unbiased comment should have been, “Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn’t getting the ball to his receivers”. Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From:gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us-- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I had the thought that Brantley might transfer after this year if things don't improve. He is in his 4th year, so should be on track to graduate. He would then be able to transfer to a D1 school that offers a masters program that UF does not and play next year. I am not advocating this, but if we refuse to use his abilities we are better off letting Burton get the snaps now so we can be better in the future. Ken K MNGator _ From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Cicone Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:07 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches", when the unbiased comment should have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn't getting the ball to his receivers". Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I believe Burton will replace Brantley at QB until the offensive line learns to pass block. It will make listening to the radio broadcast a bit awkward, but it already is a bit slanted with the family connection. I get tired of hearing quotes like "Johnny did his best to get that ball there and the receivers just need to make those catches", when the unbiased comment should have been, "Johnny seems to be having problems with the pressure and isn't getting the ball to his receivers". Let the flaming begin. Ducking for cover. From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve McKibben Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:53 AM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen >From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
>From what I gather Loeffler is respected for his knowledge and ability, and he >was the one that has designed the "Brantley half" of our offensive identity. >Through no fault of his, and to some extent, Brantley's, this has been the >less effective "side" of our offense. I remember someone commenting on how much more the OL seemed to want to block for Burton than they do for Brantley. The way I understand it, it has nothing to do with favoring one over the other, but all to do with the fact that they've been trained to block, and have a greater comfort level with the plays that are run with Burton at QB. Since Meyer also has a greater comfort level with the spread option than he does with the spread, going forward we'll likely see Loeffler's (and Brantley's) contributions in smaller percentages than we have so far. John Vega wrote: I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
On Oct 19, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured into hiring too soon. I'm curious about the QB coach; Loeffler. Is he not working out; or has he been stifled by Addazio. Given his NFL coaching experience, he seems like the logical guy to help retool this offense with Brantley, unless he has been a bust. -Zeb -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
Thanks, Steve for summing up what you read for those of us that can't afford a pay site right now. It makes me feel much better to hear these points. I hope Meyer is pissed and ready to make some wholesale changes. If I were Foley and he didn't, then it would be time for me to sit down with my head coach and evaluate his production, desire and commitment to our school. As long as Adazio is not the OC next year, I'll be happy. I'm not sold on the new DC either. The QB coach is questionable and our WRs are playing like crap for the most part. I wondered why Newton wasn't shown the same leniency as other players. I always figured maybe he wasn't prepared to work hard to get back into the program? Anyway. Like most of us, I want answers, and I want the Coach Meyer from 2009 and before back. The one that had the passion for winning. In all kinds of weather.. Shane Ford Sent from my iPhone Go Gators! On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Steve McKibben wrote: > Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning > whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is > having this year): > > I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is > for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside > information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than > just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night. > > To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged". > > Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key > players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly. > > Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio > isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC > next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured > into hiring too soon. > > The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are > confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs > makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free > either. > > Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he > hates the way they've been performing. > > The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was > apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to > be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can. > > It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that > Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but > sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on > track. > > I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a > beatdown on those mangy mutts! > > Steve > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
Just to follow up on what I posted yesterday (about the questions concerning whether or not Meyer had the desire/health to address the issues the team is having this year): I can't copy and paste the post I read on GC's premium board, since it is for-pay content, but the guy with a great track record for getting inside information and for understanding the nuances of the Xs and Os better than just about any non-coach that I've ever known, posted a doozy last night. To sum up, Meyer is pissed and "engaged". Some of the more convenient "excuses" such as injuries and suspension to key players, are well down the list as far as reasons we are playing so poorly. Meyer has some coaches on staff that he's not happy with (and sorry - Addazio isn't one of them, although this guy says it's likely that he won't be the OC next year - probably OL/Asst. head Coach) and that he feels he was pressured into hiring too soon. The packages put in place for Brantley include new blocking schemes that are confusing the heck out of our OL. That, and poor route running by the WRs makes JBIV look worse than he is, although he doesn't get off scot-free either. Apparently Meyer is seizing control of coaching special teams because he hates the way they've been performing. The new DC has taken heat for not getting out of the 4-2 scheme when it was apparent that MSU wasn't going to pass, and for running what they consider to be "cute" schemes rather than just matching up as best we can. It goes on and on, but for me the most encouraging thing I read was that Meyer does not appear to be willing to "go quietly into that good night", but sounds like he intends to fight tooth and nail to get his program back on track. I certainly hope they can get enough turned around quickly enough to put a beatdown on those mangy mutts! Steve -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
Re: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
I'm not sure where all this hate for Mullen comes from. Yes, he relied too much on Tebow and Harvin, but most of the time it worked. He also came up with some brilliant play calls: the jump pass, the Tebow rocker step, the play right before the half against OSU where Tebow took a step towards the LOS, then ran parallel to it before passing to Caldwell for the TD. - Original Message - From: "jfranl" To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:14:54 AM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen Amen, Brother!! I don't want him back either. I always thought that superior talent would trump a mediocre offensive play caller, but I guess I was wrong. The wheels have fallen off the wagon! Fran -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Badrish Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:47 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen I agree! On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com wrote: > Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much > because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his > play-calling, not because of it. He showed that again Saturday night. They > didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good > game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They tried > to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is > certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back. > > Rob > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas wrote: > >> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this: We have not >> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for Urban's >> success at Florida and previously. >> >> Let that sink in. >> >> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless. A shell of its former self. >> Former? Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots. Oh >> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati. Whoopie! It was >> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference, >> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them. >> That is Adazzio's best game. A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare. >> He has not accomplished anything real other than that. >> >> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success? He makes his offense work >> with what he has. He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and >> we won with him. Won it all. We had our Tebow years, modified the >> offense, and we won with him. Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we >> don't modify and we are losing horribly. But what has Dan done? He went >> to an underachieving school. Looked at what he had, he modified and is >> winning. He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with >> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools >> he has... >> >> Dan does what MUST be done to win. He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times >> against us. Why? It was working and it was what he needed to do to win. >> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it. He say >> what LSU did to us, and he copied it. He is adjusting... modifying. He >> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of >> player than Bama and LSU had. This does not bode well for us. >> >> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our >> personnel. Dan wouldn't do this. We are trying to force TOO many square >> pegs into round holes. Dan wouldn't do this either. >> >> You think it is just about Brantley? It is not. Without adequate >> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running >> backs will go nowhere. Especially a 190 pound running back when you run >> right up the middle. It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there is >> in front of you is a wall of defenders. We have no solid tight end >> threat. We have hybrids. We have kids playing positions that they can >> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, at least not yet. Dan wouldn't do >> this. >> >> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat. Are all these blue >> chip recruits suddenly slow? Or can Brantley just not complete the long >> ball? Or are we just plain not calling them? And where is the mention of >> our QB coach? Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him? >> Is he all of a sudden a bad coa
RE: [gatortalk] I DON'T miss Dan Mullen
Amen, Brother!! I don't want him back either. I always thought that superior talent would trump a mediocre offensive play caller, but I guess I was wrong. The wheels have fallen off the wagon! Fran -Original Message- From: gatortalk@googlegroups.com [mailto:gatort...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Badrish Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:47 PM To: gatortalk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [gatortalk] I miss Dan Mullen I agree! On 10/19/10, wildeart...@gmail.com wrote: > Mullen was an unimaginative and uninspired play-caller who won so much > because he had great players like Tebow and Harvin. We won in spite of his > play-calling, not because of it. He showed that again Saturday night. They > didn't win because he had a great game plan, or because he called a good > game. They won because we were so bad that they couldn't help it. They tried > to give us every chance to win, but we wouldn't take it. Adazzio is > certainly worse, but I sure don't want Mullen back. > > Rob > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 17, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Scott Lucas wrote: > >> Let me preface this by saying some of you may not like this: We have not >> been very good since Dan Mullen left, and HE may be the reason for Urban's >> success at Florida and previously. >> >> Let that sink in. >> >> Without Dan, Florida's offense is lifeless. A shell of its former self. >> Former? Yes, former... as in when Mullen was here calling the shots. Oh >> sure, Adazzio had a great offense against Cincinnati. Whoopie! It was >> Cincinnati-- hardly a perennial power, not from a powerhouse conference, >> and they got exactly what any middle of the road SEC would give them. >> That is Adazzio's best game. A game in which he had 3 weeks to prepare. >> He has not accomplished anything real other than that. >> >> As for Dan, why is he the key to UM's success? He makes his offense work >> with what he has. He inherited Chris Leak, the offense was modified, and >> we won with him. Won it all. We had our Tebow years, modified the >> offense, and we won with him. Mullen leaves, we have a Leak clone, we >> don't modify and we are losing horribly. But what has Dan done? He went >> to an underachieving school. Looked at what he had, he modified and is >> winning. He took a perennial cellar dweller and is making it work, with >> someone else's recruits because a good carpenter can work with the tools >> he has... >> >> Dan does what MUST be done to win. He ran the ball 29 out of 30 times >> against us. Why? It was working and it was what he needed to do to win. >> He saw what Alabama did to us up the middle, and he copied it. He say >> what LSU did to us, and he copied it. He is adjusting... modifying. He >> is doing what must be done to win, and he did it with far less quality of >> player than Bama and LSU had. This does not bode well for us. >> >> Our coaches insist on running an offense that is ill suited for our >> personnel. Dan wouldn't do this. We are trying to force TOO many square >> pegs into round holes. Dan wouldn't do this either. >> >> You think it is just about Brantley? It is not. Without adequate >> blocking, and by adequate I mean they open a hole occasionally, running >> backs will go nowhere. Especially a 190 pound running back when you run >> right up the middle. It doesn't matter how fast you are when all there is >> in front of you is a wall of defenders. We have no solid tight end >> threat. We have hybrids. We have kids playing positions that they can >> play but maybe shouldn't be playing, at least not yet. Dan wouldn't do >> this. >> >> We have a complete and total lack of a deep threat. Are all these blue >> chip recruits suddenly slow? Or can Brantley just not complete the long >> ball? Or are we just plain not calling them? And where is the mention of >> our QB coach? Why have we heard nothing about him or in regards to him? >> Is he all of a sudden a bad coach? I haven't heard his name mention since >> Tebow left. Wasn't Dan Mullen also our QB coach? >> >> Or, just maybe, this offensive line, supposedly the strength of the team, >> can't even figure out what to do with this offense either. They may be >> ill suited for the zone blocking and reads that the first half offense >> relies on. They seem to do MUCH better in the second half when Brantley >> starts throwing it around, when they are told to man up and block a person >> instead of an area. Again, an area in need of much change-- similar to >> what Dan has done with MSU. Take what you have, evaluate it, figure out >> what you do well, and then ride that horse. 29 out of 30 rushing plays. >> The one pass? A shovel pass, practically a running play as well. Dan >> does what you have to do to win. He does what works. >> >> We see this week in and week out, yet no adjustment, no improvement, no >> change. Its as if we (and dare I say it?) are stubborn just like SOS was >> when his passing game didn't work. Wha
